Thread 281596451

It's surprising how little /a/ has talked about the ONA despite it being in the top 25 of MAL.
What were /a/'s thoughts on it?

Because we read the manga while it was ongoing.

Haven't watched it but the singer has sexy feet

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vG7nAWZ_1xE

>caring about MAL scores
Go back.

>>281596451 (OP)
>What were /a/'s thoughts on it?
In the running for Best Yuri Show of the Year

Comically manipulative pretend trauma media. Remember that goofy manga about dogs with human-like eyes and cogitative ability? It's like that except more ridiculous. The average shounen villain is less evil than the adults in this shit. Muzan would unironically be a better dad than Shizuka's. Big Mom would be like a super hero compared to Marin's mother. It's all so absurd it becomes silly rather than tragic.

>>281596451 (OP)
It was really good, but top 25 is an overrating due to mostly to recency and it will not last.

>>281596451 (OP)
>how little /a/ has talked
Maybe you should have showed up a few weeks ago when it was coming out instead of slowpoking in a month late.

>>281596451 (OP)
muh misery porn! i can't stand any anime protag who isnt a mary sue like frieren

My wife

Watched it with friends, thought the first 2 episodes were really good but the rest could've been a lot better.
I especially disliked the ending and how it was just an asspull. It's message doesn't work for a story this dark.
It's good but it's not THAT good.

>>281596451 (OP)
I've read the manga a year ago and I'd like my time back it was complete garbage

>>281596695
>Remember that goofy manga about dogs with human-like eyes and cogitative ability?
Inukai-san?

>>281596451 (OP)
>It's surprising how little /a/ has talked about the ONA
What drugs have you been taking?

>>281596695
I never understand these types of “it’s so unrealistic” arguments. You can complain that it’s trauma-porn maybe but saying it’s “unrealistic” is stupid, shit twice as heinous occurs every day irl. There are probably hundreds of shizukas and marina’s living through that kind of life as we type this shit out.

>>281596695
>Comically manipulative pretend trauma media.
Aloof pseud midwittery and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. It's not manipulative to tell a story that elicits emotions from the audience. Very bad people exist and very bad things happen in life sometimes, they are not silly absurdities.

>>281597204
The shit that goes down in this has NEVER happened even ONCE in the history of mankind. Not all together. Bullying happens in the stairwells and alleys not in fucking class directly infront of teachers. Parents don’t scream at one another directly infront of their teen daughter. Teenage girls don’t go out doing homicide with pens. Fathers don’t pretend to not know who thier own daughters are and abandon them on the street. Maybe you could find someone in history one of these many things has happened to, but ALL of them, at once?? Fuck off with your realism bullshit, it’s direct emotional manipulation and you fell for it. You bought the message that schoolyard bullying is the apex of trauma lol.

>>281596451 (OP)
MAL popularity has just been useless in the last few years since covid. Everone is just lovebombing any popular anime of season.
It's all trendhopping.
Not saying Takopi is bad, but the whole MAL thing is garbage, it's the opposite of steam review bombing, it's just gen z and zoomers trying to fit in.

>>281597204
retards trying to brag about how smart they are, all the dumb plebs fell for the stupid trick by feeling sad, but not them

>>281596451 (OP)
I read the manga and it was such an insult I forgot everything about it.

>>281596451 (OP)
>falling for misery porn baiting
people are way too easy

>>281597503
>erm can you give me a source?? when did each of these specific events happen in real life to one individual and where are the documents?

>>281596451 (OP)
didn't care for it

>>281597503
That's all pretty common in black inner city communities actually.

>>281597698
Can you think of ONE person in your life who’s had anything even remotely like this experience? Now think of the people who would FIGHT TO THE DEATH over their fucking DOG. See the difference?

There were like 6 threads of 500 messages where everyone was repeating the same thing over and over
You just weren't caught up when the last episode aired, go read the threads in the archive, everything that had to be said was said several times

>>281597503
>This extremely specific set of sad events could only ever happen IRL if one at a time, there’s no way someone could roll snake eyes twice in a row, therefore it’s unrealistic and emotional manipulation.
Are you underage and/or a turboautist?

>>281596451 (OP)
dude since it started airing it's unreal how much I've jacked off to fanart and aislop of Shizuka while fantasizing about her selling her body to me, a man old enough to be her father

>>281596695
>Comically manipulative
It's about girls, why wouldn't it be?
>pretend trauma media
Cut it some slack. It handles it better than America's whole childhood trauma industrial complex they use to attract their imaginary modern audience

>>281597840
Worse, I know a person who was born with profound incurable retardation that left him incapable of understanding arguments or even the purpose of telling stories. He was also a raging homosexual and severely autistic to boot. That person's name you ask? It was (You).

>>281597846
No, I’m a triple-digit IQ who sees through the baiting, and you fell for it that’s all. Do you know WHY Marin was acting like the fucking Joker? Because the plot needed to give moral cover for her death. She had to deserve it, so her villainy had to be utterly comical and irredeemable. Like that scene in Gantz where Nishi’s class threw him out the the window in an act of mass criminal insanity in order to give Nishi moral justification to go school shooter on them. You dumb trash will unironically come onto /a/ and defend that laughable shit, and that’s what you’re doing now.

>>281598016
kek

>>281598041
>>281597597

>>281596451 (OP)
I just got done watching the show a few days ago, and was wondering why no adults noticed her being bullied by the desk marking

I'm not the only one who thought the ending sucked, right? I don't think the message of "putting your trauma aside to make friends via sharing a common interest" works well with a dark story like this. I don't relate with it at all even when it does fit.
>>281597843
There was one thread that got past 500 replies when the last episode aired, the rest barely even got 20 replies.

>>281598222
What are the odds

>>281598222
It's a (sadly) common thing in Japan.

>>281598253
>the message of "putting your trauma aside to make friends via sharing a common interest"
The message is mainly loss of innocence.

>>281596451 (OP)
>MAL
im a tourist but kill yourself

>>281596904
NO ANON! LOOK AWAY, LOOK AWAY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

>>281596451 (OP)
Best comedy of the year.

>>281596451 (OP)
The ending was shit
Overall the story went to shit after the 3rd episode of so, the only good thing is the Yuri ending honestly

/a/ talked about it a lot more than Pluto because they were smart enough not to Netflix splooge all the episodes out at once.

should have at least had 3 seasons it got way too interesting at the end

>>281596451 (OP)
I read the manga already. Dropped the anime after 2 eps because, quite frankly, the source material is heavily overrated.

>>281596451 (OP)
Nothing special besides the fluid animation, but it's rare to see a misery anime these days.

>>281596451 (OP)
Normalfags' first ryona, this is the type of shit they like to watch nowadays, it has to have something controversial otherwise they'll find it "boring"

if you found Shizuka hanging and she was still warm and soft and didn't smell too dirty and poor and you raped her dead body do you think you'd have any reason to feel bad or weird about it after turning back time? assuming you don't rewind time just a little and keep doing it like I would

>>281598738
posts like these are why 4chan is a fucking hellscape

>>281598992
Wouldn't have it any other way.

>hurf durf im weeks late why no-one talk
Turn up during airing days

>>281598992
whoa it's not like I'd hurt her. I'd hold her gently and kiss her a lot and tell her I love her while I cum. not that she could hear me or anything, but it would heighten the intimacy of the moment

I refuse to watch any shit that is high rated by normgroids, specially from MAL.
Go back.

>>281596451 (OP)
Oyasumi Punpun for children

>>281599552
pathological contrarianism, seek help

>>281597748
It's not restricted to black people or inner cities. It happens everywhere to every single demographic. The US in particular is extremely fucked in this regard on all levels, but it's not limited to there at all.

>>281596695
>the fictional media employs narrative devices more extreme than their IRL counterparts
erm what da nigger?

>>281597204
>There are probably hundreds of shizukas and marina’s living through that kind of life as we type this shit out
Millions actually

>>281599659
Yeah, it happens to them a lot even in the suburbs

>>281599687
Not a single one. Literally not a one.

>>281599643
>Pathological contrarianism is not officially recognized as a distinct medical condition
Don't care + fuck you.

>>281599687
I wonder how many of them are hot.

>>281598222
>expecting teachers to give a shit about bullying except when it comes to punishing the bullied person when they try doing something about it
Naive little lamb

>>281599867
>don't care
yeah you do, it's why you consult MAL for what to (not) watch and grok for what to think, you care far too much about what others are thinking

>>281596451 (OP)
There's a real sense of absence. A hole, if you will. An ONA hole, perchance

>>281599914
Right? If I was a teacher I'd turn a blind eye to fucking everything so long as I didn't have some kind of legal duty. Being a teacher is the epitome of not getting paid enough to give a shit about anything

>>281599980
Quite right. Even while it was still airing I was saying that Shizuka was my ONA hole.

>>281599893
Abusers often target children because they are cute and trusting. One defense mechanism for abused children is to gain weight and stop taking care of themselves, along with being withdrawn and isolated, so that they're less likely to be abused for their looks or habits.

tl;dr they'd intentionally make themselves ugly to avoid (You) in particular

>>281600138
Ew gross. What a waste.

>>281596695
Dog Nigga?

>>281596451 (OP)
Huh?
This shit has already ended 3 weeks ago.
Forget about it, I'm too busy consuming THE NEXT BIG THING now

>>281599635
That was Ichinose

>>281599974
>you care far too much about what others are thinking
I would have a MAL account if that were the case, dear redditor.

>>281597503
Lol okay Kafuka-chan.

>>281597503
Yeah
extreme bullying happens
Fathers abandoning their children happens
Fathers cheating on their wives happens
Mothers abandoning their daughters happens
Mothers being ultra abusive happens
Parents arguing divorce in front of their kids happens
Kids killing other kids happens
Mothers demonizing their children if they get bad grades happens
Teachers and classmates ignoring bullying happens
All together in a single town, in a single school, in a single classroom in a first world country? Maybe, but it wouldnt be different from winning the anti-lottery.
It also doesn't help that literally not a single adult has a single redeeming quality. A mother can be neglectful and love her family, a father can cheat on his wife and still love his kid, a mother can be ultra strict but try to have empathy for her son and fail at it, but the series never really tries to make the adults feel human beyond "oh Marina's mom suffers too", way to go for a series that in the final episode spits in your face something like "LOL TAKOPI, ALL HUMANS CAN BE GOOD AND BAD."
A manga doesn't have to be realistic, it's fiction and entertainment, conglomerating everything in a small setting makes it easier to read, more shocking and emotional, etcetc..., but you can't blame people who think it's a misery festival tho, because it is for all intents and purposes what it is, the whole story falls apart without it.

>>281596695
You sound like a parrot, repeating buzzwords you hear from other brainless birds and trying to communicate something from it

>>281596451 (OP)
>MAL
kill yourself

>>281600234
After reading Ichinose and the latest work from Taizan5 i learned the author strength comes from self contained stories with an small cast.
I appreciate what the author was trying with Ichinose but after so many twists over who was the main culprit behind the accident it becomes tiresome.

>>281597566
yeah, MAL is for tourists

>>281596695
>>281597503
>The average shounen villain is less evil than the adults in this shit.
What do you hope to gain by being a total retard making stupid exaggerations like this? The adults are just broken people with their own desires and motivations. Marina's mom is a realistic portrayal of an abusive parent. She's normally loving and caring towards Marina but because of the abuse she receives from her husband, she projects her own desires and her feelings from her broken marriage onto her, and if Marina can't fulfill her expectations, she abuses her. It's realistic the way she can be caring and immediately snap and become abusive and how she genuinely cares about her and cries over her.
>Bullying happens in the stairwells and alleys not in fucking class directly infront of teachers
How fucking sheltered are you?
>Parents don’t scream at one another directly infront of their teen daughter
That happens all the time.
>Teenage girls don’t go out doing homicide with pens
That didn't happen.
>Fathers don’t pretend to not know who thier own daughters are
I don't know why you keep harping on this like it's some ridiculous, over-the-top, demonic act. Not saying he did nothing wrong, but that was a perfectly understandable reaction. He's already divorced and cut off his old family and is making a life with his new one. This is something he doesn't want to explain to his new children.

>>281603510
>she projects her own desires and her feelings from her broken marriage onto her
I would too if I had a daughter like Marina

>>281597503
>The shit that goes down in this has NEVER happened even ONCE in the history of mankind. Not all together.
Holy sheltered trust fund kid

>>281603510
>How fucking sheltered are you?
Anon I went to a predominately white school. People knew how to act.

>>281596451 (OP)
There's nothing special about it except some really funny moments.

The ending sucked ass, some real "Martha" from bvs shit

>"Gomennasai-pi"
>"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT WORD!"
Last ep in a nutshell

>>281596451 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zy7wOsLW4o I didn't understand a damn thing

Less yapping post more cure yuri fanarts.

>>281597503
happens often in Japan
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/d8a3f0c56dfcf8fd6aa8392854f3955e7d483775

>>281597503
You can complain about how unrealistic it is, but none of that matters. All the characters are shit especially Takopi. Using a time-travelling alien to carry your self-sacrificing theme was so weak.

>>281605466
The MOMENT they introduced time travel I fucking KNEW there would be no stakes and everything would be solved at the end. What I don’t understand is why they couldn’t use the FUCKING RIBBON FROM THE START.

>>281605547
>why they couldn’t use the FUCKING RIBBON FROM THE START.
And do what?

>>281596904
AZUMA NO

>>281605547
i bet it doesn't even work well just like his other useless gadgets

>>281596695
>>281597204
Most people actually don't like seeing the fucked up side of society because it threatens their investment in it and triggers a feeling of need for change (change is difficult). People only want to see fake shounen play villains and then feel good about them getting beaten up.
Seeing characters be both good and bad causes conflicting feelings, because there's no perfect object to love or perfect enemy to hate. Seeing characters act like links in a chain based on how they were fucked up by the previous generation makes them very uncomfortable because it threatens the illusion of free will.
Nothing about Takopi is "silly", that's your own defense mechanism.

>>281596904
isn't she beautiful?

>>281597503
>Bullying happens in the stairwells and alleys not in fucking class directly infront of teachers.
This dude never attended school in japan, no one tell him, lmfao
>Parents don’t scream at one another directly infront of their teen daughter.
This happens every day even in the USA, are you joking? Was this post a carefully crafted joke, or do you really believe this?

>>281603709
Ah, so you didn't go to school in Japan, so you don't have a clue what bullying is like over there. You applied your American solipsism to a piece of media that was never designed for you, had nothing to do with you, and judged it based on that. Congrats anon, you are retarded. Let me know what your next masterpiece will be, I'm excited to see how you'll twist Vietnamese palm syrup liquor farming into some impossible scenario that never, ever happens.

>>281601587
Cool list, but most of those things happen together because they all follow downstream from the same problem. The source of all problems in Takopi are basically a single instance of relationship drama between families. Maybe you can't fathom such problems exist because you didn't live them.

>>281596451 (OP)
It's a fairly sweet show. Genuinely think the people that don't get that are terminally NGMI.

>>281607050
>This dude never attended school in japan
didn't attend school at all more likely. cause all that shit happens outside japan regularly as well

fuck captcha seriously

Interesting to note that the defenses for this show is
>you sweet summer child
>you're sheltered
>you didn't live their life experiences
>you're just a coward who doesn't want the face the "harsh realities of life"

Fuck that. The only reason anyone defends this is because this is the kind of shit they want to see. To indulge. To jack off to, both mentally, emotionally and sexually(last one being optional). It has absolutely NO connection to "realism" for the reasons that has already been given in this thread.

>>281608009
No, those are just the first things that come to mind when they read your drivel.

>>281608086
You didn't really do much other than prove my point.

>>281608009
>(last one being optional)
agree to disagree

>>281608114
Sure bud.

I'm noticing a pattern in low IQ inbreds not liking attack on titan ending infesting this thread too to hate on yet another God tier ending.

>>281608141
Joke's on you, I don't care about AoT either.

>>281608168
Because you aren't the same type of subhuman.
You literally are the exact same subhuman who keeps posting exactly the same "intellectual" diarrhea in every single thread. Kill yourself, you worthless nigger.

>>281599196
How romantic

>>281608196
>calling what I said "intellectual diarrhea" while all YT essays and written discourses glazing and defending this show is exactly that

>>281608218
>he watches YT essays and keeps up on 'written discourses' about a cut and dry show like Takopi

Oh no no no.

>>281598541
Every work that mangaka produces is just like that, he never sticks to landing, his editors ask him to extend the runtime and he can't make shit up to save his life.

>>281608241
So 4chan doesn't count as written discourse?

So you admit we're just spouting verbal diarrhea as well?

>>281608241
So 4chan doesn't count as written discourse?

So you admit we're just spouting intellectual diarrheatoo?

*nibble*

>>281608218
Hello plebbit, I don't watch youtube videos, I watch the anime itself.

>>281598366
Too late, I'm a simp now.

>>281603709
I went to an elite white/asian school and bullying still happened in plain view. Ironically, it was all done by the competitive nerds. The jocks were in the minority and really chill.

>>281596695
i agree, it was too heavy handed to the point I found it comically over the top and exaggerated. dont (You) me im closing the thread

>>281597204
>>281597597
>>281599687
>>281597846
Summer 4chan is the best argument for government IDs being mandatory for internet access.
Every single post like this is written by an underage schoolboy who has no business being here.
Takopii is a realistic portrayal of bullying the same way picrelated is a realistic portrayal of fist fights, and only literal children are too clueless to get it.

I'm, like, wayy too emotionally intelligent for this show. Like, had this shit figured out in preschool guys. Now I see through the bullshit and laugh it all off. I'll be back later to remind you all how little I care.

>>281609441
Good for you, anon. Don't let your guard down for a single minute around those storytelling spellbinders. That's how they get you. Just keep in mind that their plans can be thwarted by the unceasing employment of sheer intelligence.

>>281596451 (OP)
I love the yuri

>>281597503
>Bullying happens in the stairwells and alleys not in fucking class directly infront of teachers
you could have just said "I'm an extremely sheltered kid please make fun of me" and this would have been the exact same post but much more succinct

>>281598222
>>why no adults noticed her being bullied by the desk marking
>Not my problem

>>281609962
I said that BECAUSE I was stuck in the animal house of a real school. I was one of the bigger kids so I didn’t face the wotst of it but there were kids bigger than me. I was once attacked by a smaller kid and it was probably because he was bullied into it. No I wasn’t involved in the wars, but I was there so I knew how it worked. NO ONE did anything in the classroom, that’s ludicrous, it goes down in stairwells, behind buildings, on the street, etc. Doing it infront of teachers makes it the teacher’s problem and then police get involved, and NO ONE snitched. You kiddies are out here trying to tell me how it bullying works because you want to believe in this imaginary anime world when in reality Western public schools are fucking Alcatraz compared to a rural Japanese middle school in a society which values social harmony above everything.

>>281609441
>>281609618
>Waits 15 minutes to samefag.
What did a little boy late on his summer homework mean by this?

>>281610246
As long as you aren't being very loud, continuously violent, or maybe doing a racism, most teachers will choose to ignore it. And no, outside of burgerland the police do not get called into petty school matters. If you paid attention you would've also noticed Marina calls Shizuka out behind school when it's time for her regular beatdown.

Daughterwives

>>281610569
And I'm trying ASK you, given what was happening IN CLASS in this story, would the teachers REALLY ignore that level of shit? Of COURSE not. It's one thing to turn a blind eye towards an obvious power dynamic going on and what's likely happening out of sight, and the OBVIOUS, in-your-face durress and destruction of property going on. EVEN IF the teacher in question was a subhuman lowlife (which is not a thing in Japan because teaching there is prestigious) at a certain point the teacher would be worried about it becoming THEIR fault for keeping quiet if the police / parents do get involved and will feel compelled to deal with it before that happens.

>>281596451 (OP)
The happy octopus alien is cute, made my skin crawl when she was being abused
Good show overall, can't wait for the OST

>>281608009
Why are you so against learning about morbid sides of life? So the only stories that are acceptable to enjoy is K-On and Gochiusa? I mean I like them too but you aren't gonna tell me what I'm allowed to make myself feel.
>To indulge. To jack off to, both mentally, emotionally and sexually
Sounds like a closet pervert's projection. And you are here on a pervert website to post it. Oh well.

>>281610711
it's already here you have to become more japanese
https://litter.catbox.moe/6ht75x9hk8pkhdq6.flac

>>281596451 (OP)
>despite it being in the top 25 of MAL
>187,684 members
These are ridiculously low numbers for the first (only) season. Why do you expect big discussions about such an unpopular show?

>>281610725
Don't care.

There are plenty shows that portray misery in a far more dignified way that respects both the characters AND the audience(you don't need to look far, there's World Masterpiece Theater). The fact remains that defenders of this show can't accept that there's not much to actually refute the allegation of it being schlocky misery porn appealing to the suffering fetishists, so all this resorting to attacking the detractors instead.

>>281610711
It would have been better if Takopi was a super-dimensional Lovecraftian entity which merged with our reality through an alien angle hidden in the pipe section. It would observe all the horrifically evil shit the characters did but from the perspective of a true outsider with zero comprehension of these actions. When some vile subhuman attacks it it thinks those actions are appropriate so returns them turning the attacker into a mess of bloody chunks. It would be like an antibody sent to humanity to clean out the negative evolutionary pressures from the genome

>>281596487
FPBP /thread

>>281596451 (OP)
>>281597204
>>281597216
>>281597846
>>281598016
I'm surprised that people are actually falling for such a horrible story because it had a good adaptation.
The fact that the second serialization of the same mangaka exploded horribly and died and got axed is all the proof you need to know that it wasn't actually some really good story. The dude can't write.

>>281598281
Proofs besides fictional media?
I don't really care about this argument and I'm happy to admit you won (if I don't reply in time just assume I concede) but I am curious if anyone has evidence of this.

>>281605066
>Often
>2011
Also btw what are there multiple years listed in the article. I might be stupid

>>281606932
The problem is that the writing is bad, not that it's showing the fucked up side of society.

>>281611497
>good adaptation

>>281607050
>>281607887
>>281607099
What do you guys know about bullying in schools in Japan outside of a fictional context?

>>281611546
That's not my bone to pick.

>>281596451 (OP)
Media that exists solely to indulge in misery and wallow in self pity serves no purpose

>>281596451 (OP)
Its geniunenly fucking funny. Its such unnuanced and dogshit level of torture porn that you literally cannot be shocked by it or get depressed by it. It becomes funny because of how comical it gets. Don't get me wrong, adults/parents are awful to the point I'm one of those extremists that geniunenly think we should abandon the current parent child system society is based on, but everything in this show is so fucking framed in a way to bait shock value instagram reels that its geniunenly comical.

>>281611589
Besides to titillate the writer, I would say.

>>281611589
I don't think they were even particularly subtle about the message in the last episode and somehow you still seemed to miss it

>>281611607
You can attempt to justify anything by throwing in something preachy at the end

>>281611629
Don't forget to cope about how you can also do it in the beginning of every single episode you worthless spastic.

>>281611629
Pretty much
>>281611640
Stop the name calling anon. Takopi clearly has no message. the author only knows how to do shock value stuff, he's mind broken, read his next series to learn more

>>281596451 (OP)
It’s truly admirable how Marina does always her best to try to save her family and defeat that Shizuka bitch and her mom. Her willpower is such that no matter how many times Takopi goes back in time she is always there to give Kuze what she deserves. Fighting against fate is what shonen manga should be all about

>>281596451 (OP)
Rewatched twice. The anime is purely about my life. Different parts of my childhood was like Kuze, Marina and Azuma. The village where they live looks like my homeland shithole. For me it is nostalgic.

>>281596451 (OP)
We talked about it a bunch while it was airing.
I fucking love it.
Everyone should watch it
Everyone who wishes to even make a family should watch it

>>281596904
DOUBLE EYELIDS

>>281601041
Lmao that's what I thought about too

>>281605656
The gadgets have only shown to be able to modify the physical laws of the universe never emotions or humans directly.
The ribbon is most likely just an infinitely stretching unbreakable rope

>>281597503
>Parents don’t scream at one another directly infront of their teen daughter. Teenage girls don’t go out doing homicide with pens. Fathers don’t pretend to not know who thier own daughters are and abandon them on the street.
What a pink happy world do you live in?

>but ALL of them, at once
Of course, this anime is the quintessence of such cases. Like almost every anime of every genre quintessence of their main tropes.

This thread is proof that bullying is vital for building character.

Tacopi was beautifully scattered to the end.

>>281597503
>What is female bullying
>What is a cycle of trauma
>What is BPD

in fact:

>What is young girls

Are you homeschooled? Anyone who went to public school knows that when boys are just calling each other gay, girls are already making each other contemplate suicide by 5th grade bro. It's why so many of them are genuinely one bad day away from extremely violent BPD crashouts

They all see themselves in their mother too so without a father figure, they never get positive affirmation

>>281612287
I'm ready to be their father figure any day now.

Nobody talks about this anime as a criticism of the leftists

>>281612375
because the anime has no niggers

>>281612375
That’s bullshit, but I will believe it

>>281612405
There is a jewish girl and white aryan girl.

>>281611543
I see what you are doing here. When your (non) argument on "bad writing" gets debunked, you switch to "but anyway, it's misery porn", or when you realize there's nothing wrong with sad stories, it's "but the writing is bad" again.

>>281611497
Ok, so you are not looking for good anime but a high spec author to idolize. This is a common issue with plot autists - they measure everything through the lens of grandiosity and skill required to make something and not the end experience. Takopi is quite simple and minimalistic story, so it makes the autists mad because it doesn't fit their grandiose standards of complexity and writing skill. Reminds me of Cave Story in a way that in terms of scope, almost any ordinary person could have made it, but it just nails the experience. Which means, the combination of small choices whose impact is impossible to speculate that together create the experience. Takopi strongly resonated with people. And the anime was excellently produced, there are not much of bad scenes to think of.

Sure, the magic ending wasn't as logically "satisfying" as you would like, but I don't give a shit when the rest of the story (the non-magic parts) was so good.

I also disagree with the criticism of the parents being unrealistically bad. Each of the parents have good sides to them, the show just isn't going out of it's way to advertise them because it's not a democracy of representing good and bad sides of all minor characters, it's mainly a show about the children's perspective, and children usually don't notice these things. For the autists: Marina's mom was loving. Marina's dad brought in the money for the entire family and himself. Shizuka's mom gave her food and (I hate to say it) didn't cause problems for Shizuka. Shizuka's dad is an example of a man who made a better decision for himself leaving the whore. Azuma's mom raised her kids to be responsible, giving them decent start for life.

>>281611513
Why do I have to generate proof against an attack with no proof behind it?
From my own elementary school, I remember the desks were full of offensive drawings and carvings. Unlike in anime, you don't see them unless you read them close-up, and it becomes impossible for a teacher to keep track and moderate that. From what I've learned about Japanese school bullying (from actual Japanese people), teachers are pretty hesitant to intervene so overall it's believable.
Also, this is clearly a minor nitpick, the show clearly presented a stylized summary of the situation, the drawings on the desk aren't important. For more heavy criticism, you should focus on something like the beat up behind the school, which you can't because it's flawless.

>>281611951
Are the double eyelids really that important?

>>281596451 (OP)
>>281597566
MAL has always been useless.

>>281612776
Yes. Compare these two together and tell me which one is more beautiful

>>281612776
>>281612785
The thing I found most surprising is that even among Japanese people, about 40% of the population has double eyelids. I had always assumed it was a lot smaller
Anyways the point was moreso that Azuma had obvious mother issues and was using Shizuka's approval to cope with them

>>281596451 (OP)
>It's surprising how little /a/ has talked about the ONA
should have been here when it aired, retard

>>281611337
I would watch that

I shouldn't be surprised that retards on this website don't understand empathy, but here we are.

>>281613237
>I am surprised that retards cannot empathize, because empathy isn't even real in fact.
Don't worry, retard, I have no idea how that makes you feel.

>>281596451 (OP)
Because popular is bad. It applies for /v too.

>>281613237
That sentence shows a huge lack of empathy on your part too tho

>>281612287
Total make-believe. In reality the girls are all friendly towards one another and all share information even when they’re not friends. This thing of girls being at each others’ throats is just a fantasy you were trained in by anime and manga.

I thought this is what it would look like in live action.

>>281614304
nta but you have to be baiting

>>281610314
>Spends three hours coming up with a response to people calling him out
>S- samefags...

Oh I'm laughing.

>>281615256
You dropped your -pi, Queen.

All I want in this life is to have nonstop bed breaking sex with Marina

>>281615386
real marina or possessed marina?

>>281615538
nta but BOTH at the same time!

>>281611337
That sounds terrible. That would be true edge-fest misery porn.

>>281606995
FUCKING SAVED

>>281611225
Interesting that every time you get refuted you just plug your ears screaming
>la la la I can't hear you it's shit
without any further argument or explanation like a child throwing a tantrum. Instead of moving on gracefully, you keep obsessively posting for months because you're so far up your own ass you love the sound of your own screeching.

>>281611589
>>281611600
Takopi is a hopeful, feel-good anime. If all you got out of it is misery, you didn't get it.

Ok, I reached indestructible, do I need to hold it until end of season or do I get the rewards for having it once?

MALtards should never be taken seriously after picrel.

Why does everyone fucking despise MAL?
It's still the best site for ranking animes

>>281617490
Animebytes rankings are much better.

>>281617077
what's the issue? that onimai wasn't rated over 9?

>>281617512
>elitist rankings
I'm not waiting 6 months to create an account on a forum that maybe 500 people use at most.

>>281617582
All of us here had an AB account for over a decade. Leave.

>>281617490
>for ranking animes
Who cares about ranking. It's good for keeping track of what you want to read/watch and that's it.
Why is everyone so obsessed with anime and gaming and movie ranking lists.

>>281617615
>all of us
Not your personal army.
>for over a decade
Oldfags left a decade ago lmfao, tenure doesn't mean shit on a website that gets its primary users from fucking Twitter

>>281617513
GQuuuuuuX ranking lower you inbred retard.

>>281617755
You're the only twitter user here, kill yourself.

>>281617786
>only one
Speak for yourself.

>>281617701
>Why is everyone so obsessed with anime and gaming and movie ranking lists.
Because how else is your good taste going to be vindicated?

>>281615538
both at once obviously
>>281615676
this anon gets me

Show is pretty good, despite the anons who can't handle their cute aggression. I'd say the ending is fairly weak though, I'm not much a fan of shows where a fantastical character appears and solves serious situations with magic and while this show tries to poke fun at that trope that's exactly what winds up happening. The show takes little moments to really hammer home that Takopi has only ever made things worse like Shizuka's suicide attempt having failed in the timeline where he never met her and showing that Marina was going to get beat by her mom at the end of ep 1 before he kills her, and there's a few good directions you could take this. Maybe showing that taking time to understand someone's situation is important to helping them, but ultimately he just activates his magic powers and everything is fine.

>>281618376
>there's a few good directions you could take this. Maybe showing that taking time to understand someone's situation is important to helping them, but ultimately he just activates his magic powers and everything is fine.

Understanding doesn't automatically fix everything. I think the show tried to hammering pretty hard that the issues were unsolvable for these powerless, clueless, children, to tease out from the viewer "damn, if only there were responsible adults to help them". The fact that a stupid magic octopus jesus had to sacrifice itself was a "fine, I'll do it myself" moment to further hammer this point, and to offer a vision of "if only things were just a little bit better", as a hypothetical, last wish-fulfillment before ending the story. It was also trying to show how small changes and interventions (the tako memories bleeding into the timeline) can change a lot. Also, having somebody to lean on helps at coping. Making friends instead of enemies.

IMO people are focusing too much on trying to establish a canon and making it somehow realistic or fair. The "real" story ended in the Shizuka crying to Takopi about her helplessness, and the last asspull rewind is a hypothetical, at that point we are already out of the story.

>>281620268
>Understanding doesn't automatically fix everything
Yes but that's just an example of a message the show could've had instead of nothing. I think what the show presents is the total opposite of wishing the kids had responsible adults to solve their problem though, the adults in their lives ARE their problems. Shizuka's single mom being a prostitute who is never around and Marina's dad going out with said prostitute and leaving her alone with her mentally unstable mom every night are not problems the introduction of a responsible adult can fix. Takopi sacrificing himself to essentially just send a message back in time shows that the children can only rely on themselves to improve their lives and they mainly needed direction and companionship to make it.

>>281622912
late watchers are gonna be disappointed when they don't get the yuri that all the artists promised them.

>>281620268
Literally just one human adult would have eliminated most of the trauma present. If just one of the parents, just one of the teachers, had been a quality human being then the entire premise of story is so undermined it may as well no longer exist. The kids can't be tortured sufficiently when they have an escape hatch.That's why it's called misery porn; normal human beings don't do porn scenarios, you have to create them in fantasy plays.

>>281621031
CPS exists in Japan you know. Just one teacher gets involved and it's basically over. One visit by the authorities and the parents will be scared straight. But even just visiting a child councilor is off the table forever in a story like this because it would screw up the misery porn scenario.

>>281624010
>>281624167
I really envy whatever utopia you live in. Based on how Marina's mom acts the realistic result of a CPS call on her is a murder-suicide and even if that doesn't happen Marina will almost certainly still hate Shizuka. Also the positive role model you're looking for does in fact appear for Azuma whose situation is much less severe than the other kids', but the fact that they have a happy ending without one surely by definition means it can't be misery porn.

>>281624467
nta, but you're insane if you think he's describing a utopia. I once worked with kids with even worse families than these. Like mothers selling their early teens daughters to adult men for sex. But the entire reason I ever met them is because all of society didn't just collectively throw their hands up and refuse to do anything about it.
That's what makes misery porn like this unrealistic. It's not bad things get. Plenty of people have it worse. It's how utterly inhuman and monstrous every character is in not giving a shit about it.

>>281623435
Hell, I'm gonna be disappointed if it's not as hot as this promises: >>281598738

>>281624674
>Society intervenes
>Things get better as a result
Are both pretty utopian ideas nowadays. As ironic as it sounds I think by diving in headfirst and trying to solve these problems you've surrounded yourself with people who do care and simply aren't aware of the average person's apathy. And like I said, there is an adult in the show who very much does care and immediately helps when he becomes aware of the situation, thus I take it we can no longer consider this misery porn.

>>281624674
You work with families that have gone through shit, and have never once thought "I wish I could have helped sooner"? I'm calling BS or that you're puffing up volunteering at a soup kitchen.

You'd know these people exist if you worked in a place where you were their last line of defense - most of the characters in Takopi aren't even that evil, the kids are the ones that have the hardest time processing (and are shown to lash out about) why they act the way they do

>>281624674
>But the entire reason I ever met them is because all of society didn't just collectively throw their hands up and refuse to do anything about it.
So you can experience all that yet still cannot fathom both that a whole bunch of cases could slip through unnoticed or that a bunch of shitty people can’t be in the same place at the same time? You do realize that lots of if not most people don’t actually give a shit about what anyone outside their immediate circle goes through right? All that shit you experienced is just what happens when someone actually cares enough to do something. And we’re talking about semi-rural japan here as a setting. Japs won’t rock the boat at all unless absolutely neccessary.

>>281624917
Yeah, it's fucked now, and it seems like almost anywhere you are people are going to hate you for wanting to make things better because they love the status quo or want to actively work to make things worse.
It's a pretty cool time to be middle-aged in a lot of places, honestly. It means you were born early enough to see what it was like when people still had some optimism for the future, got to experience what things were like back before the social contract had completely frayed and the (real) boomers pulled up all the ladders, and made it well enough financially (or had a fighting chance to) to secure your own future, so when your seniors refused to let go of the reins and the youth started fighting to make a place when the old finally started dying off you could just let them fight it out and go into your back yard and grill.

>>281596451 (OP)
I am tired of miseryporn so I chose to skip it

>>281624674
>mothers selling their early teens daughters to adult men for sex
oh hey that's what I've been fantasizing about Shizuka's mom doing

>>281625467
I've never seen someone describe something as misery porn without them being an incredibly emotionally fragile person. Is that you?

>>281625589
>muh quirkchungus baby yoda is actually le sad and le child gets shot in the head and raped by a pack of 1000 niggers or whatever then goes to hell you must now le praise my show hmmkay?
No, I don't think I'm going to. Have a good day.

>>281625621
I must have missed that episode.

>>281625637
>you see, instead of simply using time travel to unfuck things everything possible goes wrong for this girl who also has everything bad ever possible happen in her life
I'd have rolled my eyes less if she lived in a torture farm where she gets tortured. It's simple, this is miseryporn. Like some other people said in here it's borderline comical, I refuse to engage with it. Firepunch could be confused for miseryporn too, to give an example, but if it was made in the same way, Agni would've been raped 24/7 as a child, then set on fire, then he'd have tripped and fallen down the urethra torture river for 1000 years, and so on.
There is such a thing as something being gratuitous. But I'm not shitting on your show, miseryporn is a valid thing to like, I just don't. No amount of angry replies will change that.

>>281625843
I think you might have just gotten hit by the shock value of Shizuka hanging herself so hard you are incapable of comprehending the situation accurately.

>>281624674
We’re not talking about illegal alien families in Texas running their daughters in the sex trade. We’re talking about rural Japan, a homogenous society that is obsessed with social harmony above all else. If someone calls their CPS and they go visit you it’s NOT going to be a illegal alien situation where they can’t touch you, you’ll be scared straight because your life is over if it gets out of hand. Just the threat of social damage is enough to keep normal people in line. So from then on if Marina’s mother will think twice and three times before attacking her. Imagine a CPS agent walking in on Shizuka’s situation at home — they don’t have stormtroopers dragging kids away like the do in the West I don’t think but even in Japan action would be taken without a doubt. Just one teacher calling the authorities is all it would take. Even just handing them the child services hotline number, Japan has all that stuff. Of course the writer knows it exists in Japan being a Japanese person and Japan is in fact a 1st world country picrel.

>>281610246
sounds like a fairy tale. no one is gonna bother calling the police because of bullying.

>>281625954
what if the kid deserves it or has bad vibes or something

>>281625843
>DUDE I’m so smart dude I’m just too intellectual for this miseryslop dude the poorfag daughter of a literal whore having a shit life is literally the same as being set on fire for hundreds of years and being raped by a gorillion giganiggers in the icy pits of hell dude.
bittersweet ending btw.

>>281626000
Of course not, REGULAR bullying is a normal part of life. We’re talking about Kid Joker ramping up to HOMICIDE.

>>281625954
>Just one teacher calling the authorities is all it would take
Not something that really happens in japan, statistics-wise. The teacher would also be blamed for allowing the bullying in the first place. They don't ignore it because "lol who gives a shit", they overlook it because they don't want to put themselves in the crosshairs.

>>281626103
>But I'm not shitting on your show, miseryporn is a valid thing to like, I just don't. No amount of angry replies will change that.

>bittersweet ending btw.
>AAAHH AHHHH LOOK THE CHILD IS GETTING BEHEADED AND SKINNED ALIVE!!! LOOK THE PACK OF IMMIGRANTS IS RAPING HER--- OOOOH THAT CAR JUST HIT HER.... WAIT SHE JUST GOT HIT BY LIGHTNING?? Nevermind we went back in time and it didn't happen
Sure. And again, see the first memearrow.

>>281626103
Oh, and to give you some perspective. K-dramas have bullied kids lead less shitty lives than this. K-dramas.

>>281626188
>less shitty lives
I don't know about that, they're still Korean.

>>281626145
I’ve been trying to explain endlessly to you people that’s WHY actual bullying never happens IN CLASS. If you do it in view of a teacher you are BEGGING for authority figures to come down on you. And that’s NORMAL bullying, the farm animals doing displays of dominance. Actual psycho kids won’t last long before Something Happens and they Go Away. Maybe US inner city and illegal alien schools are different but again we’re talking about rural Japan. I assume normal Japanese schools aren’t much different from the normal Western schools in this regard, perhaps more feminine, less into dominance plays.

>>281625219
>>281625284
You're missing the point. Stories like Takopi rely on the premise that virtually everyone is a heartless sociopath and that is just simply not the case. If it were our species would have gone extinct long ago.

>>281626438
>everyone is a heartless sociopath
It doesn’t take a sociopath to simply not have the will or way to lift a finger to help someone for no benefit. The bystander effect is a real and studied thing that happens all the time.

>>281596451 (OP)
It's like a scrapped Inio Asano manga that was scrapped for good reason. The anime is very pretty,
And the character designs are cute, but it's just sort of bad. Its trying really hard to be a tearjerker that it feels insincere.

>>281596695
nigger, the adults were the more realistic characters in this anime

>>281626438
name one (1) person in this who was a heartless sociopath

>>281596451 (OP)
Pretty good for what it presented as, I think it's rather great in terms of cosmic horror while taking a different approach, but still going along with the timeline / multiverse timeline trend
I think alot of the subtle plotpoints went over alot of peoples heads,
I like it because it's one of those stories where you're not supposed to like it or enjoy it, I like the objectivity with watching and thinking about what was presented in the story, it gave alot of good thoughts and reflection from breaking down the what, whys and hows in the story, which I think is rather refreshing, it leaves no room to self insert or really relate too deeply into the characters but makes me think "what would I do in that situation? what would I have done differently if I was takopi?" or something along those lines,

>>281596451 (OP)
Maybe you should've shown up for the threads instead of skipping /a/ until it was over

>>281628093
getting spoiled sucks though

Watched the two first episodes with my girlfriend today. First one was pretty sad but we were both laughing at the end of the second one and I'm not sure that was the intended mood. The show is just getting a little too presumptuous and ridiculous.

>>281596695
>>281609157
If you think this anime depicted unrealistic bullying you are so fucking sheltered

In real life kids can rape each other or even KILL each other, and I guess I don't even need to mention that adults can do the same to them

Many people would say Shizuka has it easy

>>281628061
>what would I have done differently if I had tentacles and was hanging out with lolis?
the story would get darker

>>281628181
they're just retards trying to sound smart, they didn't get "tricked" by the sad story (fiction!!!) while the rest of us did, textbook superiority complex

>>281597503
you are very sheltered

>>281628141
I think that was intended. I’ve been saying that Takopi is a dark comedy. There’s a montage sequence in episode 3 that’s similarly hilarious yet morbid at the same time.

>>281628712
thats pretty grim bro, why would you make it darker?

>>281596451 (OP)
>top 25 of MAL.
so in other words, it was one of the 25 most recent anime

>>281624010
>>281624167
This is absolute retardation. What kind of delusion are you living under that cps, which constantly fails to protect kids, will instantly solve child abuse. Buddy, who the fuck is even going to call cps? No one knows the exact conditions of Marina's home life. She's not showing up to school with bruises every day.

>>281596451 (OP)
because its overrated

>>281611543
The real issue is that you got used to garbage

>>281628141
>>281628946
This is definitely intended. Dark comedy at points to reel you back in ready for an emotional gut punch.

Takopi just by his existence makes it easy to juxtapose comedy in. The classical music and magic camera hammer should hace clued you in on how it was executed.
Amazing Dark Comedy that cycles back to proper Drama with a life lesson

>>281612728
>I also disagree with the criticism of the parents being unrealistically bad. Each of the parents have good sides to them, the show just isn't going out of it's way to advertise them because it's not a democracy of representing good and bad sides of all minor characters, it's mainly a show about the children's perspective, and children usually don't notice these things
You might even say the narrative focus is set in the world of children, where perspective often varies wildly from that of adults and things are often magnified out of all proportion based on how they feel about said thing. Takopi's frequent misread of behavior and situations being an extreme example.

Every time Takopi says Pi, it makes me have to tinkle.. needless to say, I paused frequently while watching this.
Thought it was pretty decent. 8/10 overall.

>>281632200
piiiiii

I think I found Marina's house. Does anyone know where Shizuka's house is located?

>>281635063
It's in Nanae right?

>>281597503
don't bother with these addicts, man. they want to cry and shake in ecstasy to their pornographic garbage. something truly dark like jude the obscure would bore them to death because real tragedy isn't titillating.

>>281635063
I dunno man, her mom doesn't do in-calls so I've never been

>>281597216
>pseud midwittery
It's the very definition of a midwit show you troglodyte. It has a fucking 8.89 on MAL. It's HAND-CRAFTED for the middle of the bell curve.

I went and read the manga tonight and I hate to be the radical centrist but everyone's got a point. It's pretty heavy-handed and the parents' cruelty borders on the surreal in the context of them being the only adults presented, but just in the local news I've read and heard about parents doing much worse. Also Shizuka's a manipulative psycho when she's lost everything, but it's hard to blame her for that when she's been completely unmoored and when little girls are instinctively manipulative to begin with. And she's also kinda hot with that cold look in her eyes.
I dunno, all said and done I think it was pretty good. I wasn't expecting brilliance, but I've read clumsier melodrama that does a worse job evoking any kind of sympathy for its characters. I get how it would appeal to a fairly broad audience, but it also hits that sweet spot that's perfect for /a/ shit flinging. Personally I'll keep being overly critical of it and overly supportive of it and psychotically horny about it because at the end of the day posting's the best part anyway.

>>281635228 (me)
Oh yeah, and I also thought it was really funny that Naoki's happy ending was mostly just getting away from the crazy bitches from broken homes and hanging out with normal kids instead.

>>281635063
Time to pay her a visit

>>281635373
Man he missed out on the crazy double blow jobs

>>281626438
But nobody in Takopi is a heartless sociopath. They are just too caught up in their own issues to take responsibility. Even though the parents' stories were never the focus, you were given the glimpses into what's going on, people still don't get it but get stuck on the "ohmygod how could he/she do THIS omg he/she's pure EVIL"

>>281596451 (OP)
Good timing. Just finished watching it today, and it was fantastic. Easily one of the best recent viewing experiences. I need to watch new shit instead of rewatching the same stuff I already like over and over.

>>281635948
One can only hope he can reach such a "happy ending", in time.

>>281635083
reading the summary of this book i bet you're right that the best reaction you could hope for is it boring someone to tears. a man is led around by the nose, every authorial contrivance pitted against him, until he ends up dead, as cold as he ever was.

if something that evokes any sense of emotion in an audience is 'pornographic', what would describe something like this - a tragedy formed for its own sake, where in all likelihood both author and reader become a little more dour for their time spent? autofellatiatic?

>>281635063
>middle class

>>281635083
>>281636422
i'd almost say autoflagelletic, but that'd probably be too pornographic for your taste

i live in a third world shithole and there's absolutely no chance there will be something like having slut written on a kid desk and it being ignored or a kid entire face being beat up and ignored

Also this shit reminds me of a silent voice with how unrealistically psychotic kids are but at least this one isn't as victim blaming as a silent voice was

>>281611549
Just what my IRL friends tell me. Its not too hard to get to know people from other countries if you aren't autistic

>>281636678
Where can I get myself a Shizuka?

>>281637140
Just find a local whore

>>281637238
Need a fresh one

>>281637267
>Shizuka
>fresh

>>281637323
Ok I'll take her but only as an Oyakodon package with her mother

>>281596645
Russian anon, you still around?

>>281596695
My toughts exactly.

>>281636653
>i live in a third world shithole and there's absolutely no chance there will be something like having slut written on a kid desk and it being ignored or a kid entire face being beat up and ignored

Same here. The only reason these suffer junkies swear by how "realistic" it is is because they're likely to be what the people in this show are: first worlder psychopaths/sociopaths.

You have to let go. No amount of obsessive samefagging will change the facts.

>>281637612
>omg 2 people agree on why this show is bad, it must be samefagging

>>281636653
>there's absolutely no chance there will be something like having slut written on a kid desk
Are you seriously complaining about the most common bullying trope in anime?

>>281637785
Yes when people actually pretend that it's well written

>>281637831
Whether or not Shizuka had insults written on her desk has no bearing on the overarching narrative. It's just a detail you're nitpicking over which is just meant to show the various bullying tactics used on Shizuka (and a very tame one at that). Like I can easily argue that there's no evidence of who is writing on her desk because anyone could be doing it but it's such a pointless thing to argue about because it's ultimately inconsequential for the story. If this is what you have to resort to, it shows you really have no legitimate criticism against the writing.

A bit depressing

>>281637960
It's irrelevant who's doing it, the fact is that teacher doesn't give a single fuck.
Before a teacher is a teacher, she is also an adult and adults are supposed to be an example.
Teachers who don't give a fuck teach that nobody gives a fuck, and that's true, I suppose. That's why you should kill your bullies.

Shizuka with straight bangs makes me feel things...

>>281597503
Wow look at this retard. Point and laugh everyone

lmao

Takopi was kino. Anime of the decade

>>281597503
Masterbaiter.

Because Takopi is a perfect creature, it is willing to sacrifice itself to make humans happy.
So Takopi made it possible for him to consistently make two people happy from the beginning.

Even though Takopi sacrificed himself (and Azuma incidentally) to make them happy, it was a happy wish and served him perfectly.

>>281639744
Takopi is nowhere close to perfect. He's a representation of a human trying to go around and fix shit he has no business, knowledge or power to fix. That makes him very very flawed, him being anthromorphized by ability to "sin" the way humans can only makes it that more apparent and your blind ass still couldn't see it.

>>281638482
>parents didn't love them
>become hostess club whores
>Shizuka is into degradation
>Marina is into physical abuse

>>281640032
And nobody remembers that boy whose name I also do not recall because he's male, he's probably posting on this board with us under username "Anonymous", such is life.

>>281639959
Smartest anon in the thread

>>281640223
Would be very sad if it turned out to be true because I'm currently watching 4th episode and don't know how it will end, but the pattern is that it never ends well when you fuck around with fate.

>>281596695
extremely smooth brain dumb dumb take
the story itself is about manipulating other people's emotions

>>281596451 (OP)
It's a mediocre anime whose sole purpose of existing is the sad moe girl having sad moe moments. There's nothing beyond that

>>281640294
So you didn't notice Azuma's story? It's by far the saddest one, because despite having both parents, he's being tortured the most and he has no way to vent his frustration, because he has inferiority complex and most he could do is kill himself.

>>281606670
The octopus should know that getting between the yuri is punishable by the death penalty.

>>281617757
Gcucks was shit, so it's just MAL having better taste than (You)
Sad but true

>>281626438
Worse scenarios than the gals in takopi happen literally every day and possibly every minute. As you posted this seething there's probably a boy or girl going through something much worse and nobody caring to help them
It doesn't have to be sociopathy to be apathy. Most people only care about what happens to themselves or their immediate "tribe."

>>281641072
>muh but what about real world
>they are suffering more!
no they aren't, fuck off

>>281641104
Are you that sheltered that you can't imagine or look up real cases of child neglect/abuse/torture?
I hope you're just trolling.
The real world is more dark and unfair than any story could hope to match since these are things happening to real people.

This was for certain the most flashy weekly event but all in all just annoyingly overproduced/overanimated/oversaturated with effects from EP4+. I'd never rewatch it. Actually I expected a long story, dived totally blind into it. After EP 3 I picked up the manga and was frustrated that it ended so fast. Toothless story, nonsense drama, beautiful artstyle, 6/10

>>281641161
No, I'm just not retarded. Physical abuse is basically irrelevant. You can always stab your father while he's sleeping if you think that he's beating you too hard, if you didn't do it, it's because you enjoyed it.
>>281641204
Please keep your reddit quality reviews on MAL.

>>281596695
This.

>>281641222
>if you didn't do it, it's because you enjoyed it.
Are you fucking dumb? Kids are bound to not do it to their father cause they know they can't survive in the world without their parents. So all kids are in suck up mode even if their parents are shit.

Not until they're like teenager or 18 years old ish is your scenario possible

>>281641222
Your brain is totally cooked if you didn't feel raped by the production

>>281641265
I see you grew up so sheltered that you believe that a 9 year old cannot buy his own food and cook it because their worthless parents won't even feed him and all he has is some government money that his parents are trying to steal from him anyway.
>>281641297
You will never be a woman, but I have no doubt that ANY male could easily rape you.

>>281640137
Kek

I’m trying to picture the kind of person that desperately defends how the comical evil and cartoon trauma in this story is totally valid and real. Normal people just laugh at the absurdity of it, what kind of person consumes it unironically and think it’s a valid mirror of reality?

>>281642630
I'm trying to picture what kind of inbred retards and for how many generations needed to give birth to someone who'd make such a post.

>>281596451 (OP)
everything was good until the fucking dogshit ending that retroactively ruined the anime for me

>>281596695
I would say much more about this kind of anime, and specifically about this show, but I agree with your post completely.

>>281642916
>I would pointlessly babble
This story being very short and to the point mockery of faggots like you makes it that much more ironic.

>>281643101
Why are you so defensive?

I thought the first episodes were really great but the ending made it go from 9 to a solid 5.
What I didn't like was that everything was resolved with a deus ex machina.

>>281643320
>I really liked deux ex machina
>BUT NOT LIKE THAT!

>>281643339
What deus ex machina did I said I liked?
Takopi was able to use different gadgets along the story but none could convert him into a ghost who could travel time and I'm pretty sure none of them fixed what was wrong with everyone.

>>281643433
>alien that can time travel with no backstory or explanation
>not deus ex machina
ok retard, we're done here

>>281643463
He can travel time but there is a backstory, explanation AND condition to do it: he needs to go back to his planet to do it, you stupid nigger.

>>281596695
There's a 12 year old in my neighborhood that pimps out and uses his retarded twin sister as a drug mule. Real life is worse than any fiction.

>>281643545
And you're doing nothing about for what reason exactly?

>>281643572
I have done what I can short of killing him.

>>281643541
Oh damn anon, that's such a good explanation for why he can just time travel.

vyno

>>281643320
>everything was resolved
No it wasn't, you fucking retard. The only thing that changed was that the two girls became friends. That's it. Marina still has a psycho single mom and she still got the scar on her face. Shizuka's mom probably still abandoned her. The major change is that they have each other to lean on now. Imagine being so fucking clueless when they literally spell this out in the ending scene.

>>281596451 (OP)
I can't handle shows that deal with this subject matter. hits too close to home

>>281645404
It's no point explaining this to morons. He's the type of person to marry a woman and build a family just to destroy it moments after because he can't comprehend what matters in the ending human life.

>>281596451 (OP)
Is this yuri?

>>281642630
I haven't watched this show and I'm just lurking, but have you watched true crime or japanese bullying stories? they're all easily accesible in youtube and shit gets pretty demented

>>281596451 (OP)
I have one episode left to watch but the reason I still haven't seen it is because I fucking hate this anime. I wanna call it misery porn but the porn part implies a slight nuance of pleasure yet there is absolutely nothing pleasurable about watching this show.
Also I see that it's fans are completely deranged since they're sincerely shilling a yuri pairing between 2 main girl characters which hits an unbelievable levels of irony considering that'd be the most toxic and violent relationship in history of anime.
Anyway, I hate everything about this show

I thought the ending was well done. You realize Shizuka has been bottling up her feelings the entire time and in the final episode she finally cries it all out. It felt cathartic. Also yuri is great.

I know this type of story.
its one of those seinen manga (or the LN equivalent) where everyone is a piece of shit and that is supposed to make it hecking mature, right?
Garbage like punpun or Shounen no Abyss

>>281646578
Nobody in this story is a piece of shit though?

>>281596695
(You) free :)

>>281643545
brazil? No way this is first world

>>281632200
I don't tend to rate things, but if I were to do it with Takopi, it would be around a 7.5/10 too, just because of how much of a stellar adaptation it received. It's much better than the manga in my opinion, as I remember reading it back in late 2022 and enjoying it but ultimately didn't think much about it either.

>>281635228
>psychotically horny about it
Same. It's not my fault Marina is so goddamn hot.

>>281635125
No, midwits just say that popularity equals midwittery because it allows them to feel elite simply for being contrarian. You're confusing performative nonconformity with genuine intelligence, as if not liking something with a high rating on MAL makes you smart automatically. The ratings a bunch of people give something on a social media site where they want to signal their taste in order to be perceived a certain way is not by any stretch a good measure of its quality or even its actual appeal.

This is an extremely common tendency for midwits, who are not the 100 IQ center of the bell curve by the way, but rather the group slightly above it who will do almost anything to differentiate themselves from it. The midwit will often despise things like Takopi, and try harder to critique them, precisely because those things are popular and they want to be seen deviating from the crowd. This criticism will generally be vapid and rely on repeatedly pointing out the popularity of the thing, because these people aren't smart enough to add value to the conversation and instead default to signaling their own distinctiveness.

>>281597566
>implying MAL popularity has ever been useful
Gintama once took up 6 slots in the top 10, that's all the proof you ever needed to realize the site was/is dogshit.

>>281596451 (OP)
The message of the anime is clear. It really shows the evil of people who are happy to provide aid to Africa without actually solving the problems.

>muh realism
The problem with the story isn't realism. In fact it's almost the opposite. It wants to be le edgy grimdark gritty story about REAL LIFE, but tells the story through the lens of a retarded octopus who literally does not understand emotions other than happiness. This type of maximally dualist writing only appeals to people who go
>WHOA the contrast between takopi's happiness and le real world is so...DEEP
OTOH every single character is a self-absorbed, self-interested "woe is me" scumbag besides Azuma and his brother. Where is the humanity? These are animals pretending to be humans. This is why Takopii fails, because it's fundamentally pitting a one-dimensional outside observer (Takopii) against one-dimensional children cursed to live with one-dimensional, subhuman adults. Everything is extreme and IN YOUR FACE to make sure every viewer gets it. There is no room for interpretation or nuance. This is not "deep" storytelling unless your definition of deep is "whoa this happens occasionally in real life so it must be a great story".
It's not the worst anime ever, there are definitely worse things to watch, it's just not anywhere near good. Well-directed though, i'll give it that.

>>281648731
The octopus is depiction of the viewer and your IQ must be below 70 if you didn't realize that.

>>281648800
>depiction of the viewer
>the average Takopii fan self-inserts as a retarded octopus with less than a child's understanding of human emotion

>>281648874
No, it rather puts a mirror in front of you for 5 episodes then mocks you for thinking that you could've written a better story. Sadly the punchline doesn't work because intelligent people like me saw through it and retards like you have no ability to introspect.
Everything Takopi does never goes anywhere, because he does exactly what a retard like you would do.

>>281596451 (OP)
shit misery porn like the bird one
5/10

>>281648958
>Intelligent people like me

To be fair, you have to be very intelligent to have higher than 70 IQ

>>281648731
Even if your assessment of one dimensionality were to be correct, you could ask why
>cute girls doing cute things
is generally seen as an okay story, but
>deranged girls doing deranged things
isn't. Takopi is at least as good as K-On, even if it's not doing more than I said.

>>281603510
>She's normally loving and caring towards Marina but because of the abuse she receives from her husband
The ones saying this never say what horrible abuse she suffered to even slightly match trying to kill her daughter multiple times and scarring her for life to the point it also ruined her dating opportunities as a reaction. The most she got done to her that we saw was cheating and getting yelled at/insulted. Anyone who thinks that makes sense at all as a reaction or it's somehow "realistic" should probably find a skyscraper to jump off of.

>>281650814
Projecting your shortcomings on your child is a pretty common occurrence. Especially when the marriage's failing, since more often than not all the work surrounding a child is a big catalyst for that. Marina's mom being bipolar about it, doesn't seem farfetched either. Physical abuse following a severe depressive episode is reasonable and there being rare cases of heavy physical abuse, which in Marina's case lead to her scars, is also reasonable. The most severe abusive situations were happening when her mother thought she was being betrayed by Marina, her only real point of affection and hope in her life left. Hope that she didn't totally screw up everything and had at very least raised a proper daughter capable of having a proper life and marriage. With that in mind it absolutely makes sense, that she would view the loss of Marina's proper would be boyfriend as the ultimate defeat and insult and since Marina's the only point of projection there for here, she focuses all of her negativity on her in that moment

>>281643407
Not a bad trade, actually. He'd still be fine with Takopi, his life isn't so ridiculously fucked. Meanwhile, Doraemon probably actually has a tool to fix this shit somewhere.

>>281650814
t. has never met a BPDemon.

The story was pretty bad, ridicolously over the top misery porn that becomes comedy tier at times (I actually bursted out laughing when Shizuka dad pretended to not know her), but it was well directed and Marina was as hot as the sun.

>>281651379
>pretended to not know her
Dude when the next panel cut back to how she REALLY looked in the moment I was fucking howling. Yeah uh hey kids, this grimy blood-caked street urchin is your half-sister by a literal prostitute I probably never told your mom about. I DEFINITELY love her even the slightest bit as much as you two children I actually bother to keep in my life. Say hi.

I hate that parts of the thread make mne post one of the worst news stories I've read since I became a father myself, but the dumbfoundedness or even ignorance to bad things is a bit too much for me:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-59406047

>over a week since it ended
>still unsurpassed
Takopi won

>>281596487
If reading manga stopped me from enjoying anime, I'd stop reading manga. Feel bad for you bud

>>281651917
it's not that fire lilbro

>>281651551
Yeesh, that really is awful. I looked up the audio and it's chilling for how simple it is. I suppose it's no surprise that amidst all the melodrama of the manga picrel was the thing that stood out the most for me. People aren't supposed to feel that alone until they're in their 30s or 40s.

>>281596451 (OP)
>surprising
>/a/ not talking
>about a shitty manipulative series written by a hack
we had talked about it when it aired, so (You) are either late to the party and / or want to artificially promote a series that most of us that watched it dont give a single shit after the fact.
Enjoy talking about other "waste of potential" thread fuel series.
>also
>MUH MAL score
(You) liking to bask in the muck is one thing, wanting to draw us into said muck just to validate your choices is enthusiastically yet hopelessly idiotic.

>>281651522
A human being wouldn’t pretend he didn’t know her and shut the door on her face. Not in the darkest slums of Uganda. It’s just not real. No normal person can take that scenario seriously,

Play by play commentary makes melodrama worse. The instances of bullying were already ridiculous and having the technologically advanced retard octopus keep saying they don't get it drags out uninteresting and unpleasant scenes while emphasizing how dumb everything is.

The show was competent enough to make me feel things despite irritating and distracting forced elements. So I won't call it bad. But I didn't learn anything or get any pleasure out of watching it, and can't really understand the mindset of someone who did.

I don't like watching idiots fail to understand things. I don't like watching unjust suffering. I don't like watching deus ex machina conclusions. Why would I like this?

>>281652109
What are you talking about? We had a talk show on TV that ran for more than thirty years on the premise of blacks dancing on stage to celebrate finding out that the kids they were denying really weren't theirs.

I felt bad for Shizuka early on when she was being bullied. I wanted to pat her head and give her a big hug and tell her everything would be alright and make her a good meal and run a hot bath for her and wash her smelly poorling hair and wash the filth off her little body and get in the tub with her and sit her in my lap with my arms wrapped around her and maybe nibble on her ear and neck a little and let her breathe easy feeling safe and protected.

pi

This thread is filled with such contrarians its pathetic
Glad to see /a/ hasn't changed a day. Fucking dogwater website

>>281652227
>But I didn't learn anything or get any pleasure out of watching it, and can't really understand the mindset of someone who did.

There are people who get off of watching others suffer. They may excuse it away as "relating to the character" which actually means "finally, someone with a victim woe is me mindset like mine" and "appreciating a well written story", and by well written, they mean "serves my suffering fetish".

You know that they're privileged first worlders who do not know what true suffering is, because anybody suffering irl, especially in 3rd world countries, do NOT find pleasure in watching slop like this. This slop makes telenovelas in my place look like family friendly and sane in comparison.

>>281653670
Oh fuck off. Go back to MAL if you want to find all the cocksuckers for this show.

>>281652227
>>281653799
So... this is the power of a Takopi antifan

>>281654065
Because defenders really can't defend it without actually attacking the critics and doing mental contortions in their "justifications".

the fans of this are set in their ways but I genuinely feel so good knowing I'm not narcissistic enough to fall prey to this slop lol. Genuine lifefuel.
of course it was immediately forgotten after airing. neeext.

>>281654328
>immediately forgotten after airing
>still getting threads

>>281648958
>No, it rather puts a mirror in front of you for 5 episodes then mocks you for thinking that you could've written a better story.
Oh I most certainly could have. I probably put more thought in a single hour than the author did over the course of the entire manga run. Don't reply, by the way. I don't care past this point.

>>281654328
>I'm not narcissistic enough
The sheer lack of self-awareness in this post

what does marina's scar taste like?

Sweaty bareback sex with JK Shizuka!

>>281653896
Well, he's right lmao. You faggots will pretend to not like everything so you can lie to yourself about how good your taste is. You wouldn't admit something that gained even the slightest traction is good if it were a modern day Mona Lisa.

>>281654890
Contr/a/rians are a different breed lmao. If you ever feel bad about your taste, come take a look at the Zoo and you'll feel immediately better about yourself.

>>281654328
How is thinking this decent failing prey?
It is not a master piece imo, but it’s not bad. It’s a sold 7.5-8/10.

>>281655246
Pennies and old tacos.

>>281656297
I usually weigh everything a little low (but it unintentionally forms a beautiful bell curve) but I'd probably do around a 7 myself. It's something I'll probably remember fondly and in some detail in the future and I enjoyed reading and watching it. Didn't change my life aside from making me horny for a specific character or two for a few months but that can be a nice bonus

>>281656501
Exactly. It’s not world changing but it’s still decent. I only watched the anime, and I got a bit of enjoyment out of it. I’m sure others felt similar too. It doesn’t mean we fell prey to for some conspiratorial set up to dupe us out of our 401ks and identities or anything. It’s just Chinese cartoons and comics, I just watch and read them.

I haven't seen the anime, but I read the manga when it came out. The first half is interesting enough, using the template of a doraemon-esque coming of age story to explore much darker themes, but it trips over itself towards the end with a very rushed and unsatisfying conclusion. There are themes worth exploring in the manga, notably the idea that traumatic experiences effect children in much more complex ways that cannot be simply resolved, but the author lacked the restraint to give time to explore those themes properly. I think that's why the biggest critique of Takopi is that it's simply "misery porn". Takopi feels overly indulgent in the trauma, it purposefully builds characters up only to smash them down and repeat. The reader is saddened, possibly to the point of tears, but at no point are they reflective. Many of the popular reviews of the manga simply say how sad it was, or how emotional they were reading it. It honestly reminds me of how fans of Yanagihara's "A Little Life" spoke of that book, perhaps fans of Takopi would love it as well. Also, always subtract at least 1 to 2 points from the average MAL score since people are allergic to any number below 7 on that site.

>>281656635
May as well read it too, it's quick and while it's telling the same story I think each had different strengths to some extent.

>>281597503
unironic autism, get some help

>>281596487
nobody did

>>281643572
People have fantasies of righteousness in their heads, in reality taking action is risky and inconvenient and not your problem anyway, so you actually end up doing nothing.

>>281596451 (OP)
Dropped the ball hard in the final episode. You mean to tell me that Takopi had the power to rewrite the universe but only slightly and only if he killed himself (this was never forshadowed) and that because of a little Takopi doodle in a notebook that shouldn't even exist because in this timeline Takopi doesn't exist, these two mortal enemies just decide to stop being mean to each other and immediately transition to friends even though both of them consider the other to have completely destroyed their lives? What a fucking joke. Had a friend try to tell me this all made perfect sense, kind of insane how hard some people will try to defend plot points that make absolutely no sense instead of just going "yeah maybe they could have wrote that better"

>>281657200
It definitely would've benefited from being a slower burn with a little more delicacy. It wouldn't have had to be so hamfisted with the drama if we'd had more time to get invested in the characters. Honestly it makes me wish I knew of something like that.

>>281652104
We talked about it and everyone loved it, and now that the emotions are fading, it's the perfect time to shit on it "um ackchually it's manipulative and bad"

>>281652701
based, Shizuka needs more unconditional love, walks and princess carrying.

Glad u all had fun bros

>>281658610
Memories bleeding from past lives or timelines is a cultural thing, even Steins;Gate and Madoka Magica do it and they are considered masterpieces.
>>281657200
>at no point are they reflective
the anime is constantly reflecting on the cause and effect and the complicated relationships between the events, what more reflection do you think is missing? It feels like some people are expecting some kind of additional statements and handholding, when it's a "show don't tell" type story that just displays a story to make the viewer think and come to their conclusions. And plenty of conclusions and messages have been drawn from it, the plot has many characters and is far from devoid of lessons.
Also, with the anime I personally didn't feel like there was purposeful repetition of trauma, maybe the repeating due to time travel created a little bit of that but that was to demonstrate Takopi's ineffectiveness in providing solutions. And the repeated scenes were shorter.
>the author lacked the restraint to give time to explore those themes properly
in terms of length, the anime feels more like cinema/movie format, it's no slice of life. And yeah, crafting a good slice of life is probably more difficult. When you see a good dramatic movie, you always wish there was more. This makes it overall rushed, and the ending was even more rushed.

>>281599196
Not really.

>>281658591
There isn't one single problem in this world that isn't your fault.

>>281658728
I totally agree, even just a handful of chapters more could have done a great deal of good. I didn't want to use a word as disparaging as tactless when describing the story, Delicacy is a fantastic word to use instead.
>>281659074
Again, I haven't seen the anime so I can only speak on the manga. I don't disagree that the manga is trying to say something, especially in regards to childhood trauma and the significance of developing connections with each other, but it ended far too quickly and neatly for me to feel satisfied. Perhaps it was presumptuous of me to say he lacked restraint, as it seems he was at risk of cancellation, so the rushed conclusion might have been his only option. I also meant to specify that the audience, especially the fans of this series, aren't particularly reflective. The series is praised for being incredibly dark and depressing, "I could not stop crying". I don't feel like being able to elicit a strong emotional response alone is what makes a masterpiece in tragedy, and I don't think there's enough in the manga thematically for me to feel like it should be considered one. All that being said, I don't think it was a terrible read, it had some great art and paneling, and I do see what the author was trying to go for. There's just a plethora of stories out there that have handled these themes much more gracefully. Do you love the story primarily for cathartic purposes, or was there a major takeaway from it that you appreciate?

>>281658728
It could've been a standard 90 min movie and would be just as good, not everyone is as slow as you that they'd need 4 seasons for this.

>>281646947
Sweden.

You think the grooming gangs are limited to just the UK?

>>281652082
Yeah the audio recording was what pulled away the veil of my own disbelief about such horrible situations. Normally you read an article about child abuse or a documentary and it's all delivered in a calm and collected way (as it should in this type of medium). Your brain may understand that it's a bad situation and that it shouldn't happen in a well functioning so society, but usually you don't feel too much of the real trauma that the child had gone throughand how dire the situation really is. But this is exactly what's opened up through the recording. A glimpse of the detailled abuse almost torture and how the child really feels about it. Takopi, in all it's oversubscription which at least somewhat relaxes the situation for the viewer, manages to show that angle pretty good.

>>281659441
>I don't feel like being able to elicit a strong emotional response alone is what makes a masterpiece in tragedy
Personally I value a story's ability to bring out strong emotional response and catharsis a lot, as well as realism. Realistic stories that trigger emotions are good for making you think about life. Most stories feel artificially crafted and not believable which kills the emotion. Takopi's the story is realistic or at least depicts some real things in a way that click with me. Takopi appeals to my deterministic no-free-will view of the world, where things happen as a logical cascade of events with not much you can do about it. Is that what triggers people? They feel like there has to be a solution and things should get resolved? In Takopi, there really wasn't a solution and the only solution was through the time travel magic and memory-bleeding trope, which maybe felt like insult to injury.

Also, yes, Takopi is designed to bring out the emotions and some people seem to hate that and feel like it's "manipulation". We used to love emotionally intensive content, they were called tear-jerkers, not misery porn. What happened? Is this a generational thing or some kind of tear-jerker fatigue? Why is it now shameful and embarrassing to feel strongly about a fictional story?

Not sure if this is just a justification for cushioning unbearably emotional stories, but people appear to have become more sensitive about how things should be portrayed, like, they have stricter standards for "grace" and prioritize media appearing neat and done in a "correct" way over emotional intensity. I just want to immerse myself in a good story and feel things, the grace in a speech is completely secondary to me and can even feel pretentious, though it can also used to make things more beautiful and ideas more appealing. I feel like grace is often a way to pre-chew things to shield people from feeling raw and uncomfortable emotions.

>>281660342
I didn't feel any emotions nor cried during this anime and the message is pretty clear, normgroids like you are just retarded if they don't get this.

>>281660342
>Takopi's the story is realistic or at least depicts some real things
I agree that it could be seen as realistic, but I also think Takopi is very bad. Realism doesn't mean good, it's not like you can take any real event and it will become an interesting story. The motivations and development of the characters are too simple. Azuma's episodes had a bunch of redundant information that the viewer should have been able to infer from just a few scenes. The show acts like showing a whole bunch of suffering makes things more tragic when it should have been more brief and potent. To me, Azuma felt like an artificial character that only existed to make the point that his brother could help him. Yes, people in real life can be as simple as Azuma, but for his story to be interesting it needed a different approach. The theming also sucks, like how you said things are basically solved by magic. The realistic ending is where everyone just suffers until they either die or they make it through the suffering. A show like Shiki is a much better version of a fatalistic story. In fact almost any well-known anime that is dark or disturbing is better than Takopi. People like this show because it's easy to understand and has amazing production like Frieren.

What I gathered from this thread is that it's mostly turd worlder retards refusing to accept that Japan has a different culture from their turd world shithole and saying that the show has bad writing or is torture porn as a result of their lack of intelligence and empathy that comes with their brown skin.
Did I get it right?

>>281661192
No, nothing in Takopi is any different from any other first world country. It is just brownoids being brownoids.

>>281643541
>>281643320
I get a feeling from these threads that the anime doesn't explain the ending as well as the manga.
He uses his own life to fix one of his gadgets, it's not that outlandish coming from a magical being that can rewrite reality.

>>281661320
I didn't know that there were retards who needed an explanation lol.

>>281635063
Where is the show supposed to be based? I remember seeing a post or two from Japanese fans who seemed to have a rough idea about the setting
I think one thing that gets kind of taken for granted is that it's clearly a small village setting. Part of the reason why Shizuka is getting ostracized is presumably because everyone living there knows what her mother is like and in turn shun her daughter

>>281661311
You can find more humanity in the worst, trashiest drug-infested slums of rural RUSSIA. You fell for cartoon-level misery porn, that’s all.

>>281660342
>Why is it now shameful and embarrassing to feel strongly about a fictional story?
A lot of it is that mentally and emotionally weak people without the wherewithal to engage with fiction as fiction started to fall into two camps, one that complains about anything that isn’t saccharine and mindlessly happy, and one that thinks that any emotional response is a personal failing. Both are overrepresented online so they’re hard to avoid, and both have the same self satisfied obliviousness of the dumbest guy in the room trying to prove himself clever by misusing what he thinks are fancy words.

>>281661352
I saw a story in the news cycle very recently of a woman who would arrange for her boyfriend to have sex with the children that she was in charge of minding, including a non-verbal 7 year old autistic girl. The only time she cried at the trial was when they handed down the sentence. You really don't understand the absolute depravities that people are capable of

>>281661337
Or maybe when they say "deus ex machina" it's more about how they suddenly say "MARTHA" and become friends over it. I don't know. Nothing in the ending is that much worse than the rest of the story so I don't understand the reaction. The ending is just as weird and emotional as the whole thing.

>>281661352
>>281661439
Yes, simply talking to other people is deus ex machina.

>>281596451 (OP)
Couldn't make it through the first episode, paused at around half because how annoying the alien is. Couldn't shake the feeling it was aimed at grade schoolers
Is it actually any good and should I give it a though watch?

>>281662684
Go on reddit if you want to be told what to think.

Marina won

I can see the defenders really haven't changed much of their tactics and attack the critics and perform mental gymnastics instead of admitting that this show really is not that "profound" of a "masterpiece".

Takopitards are delusional lost causes.

>>281662691
Buy an ad, tranny

>>281662876
I think by then end, both her and Shizuka won. At least in the final timeline we see. But the Marinas and Shizukas from the other timelines are dead or doomed most likely.

>>281663001
Dude, no one is even using any tactics. People watched it and liked it. I personally think the show was no masterpiece, but it was decent to good. Solid 8/10. We just watched something and enjoyed it. Now go kys.

>>281662876
>Shizuka got her dog, stop getting bullied, and got a new friend
>Meanwhile Marina still gets abused by her mom as we can see from the scar
Won what exactly?

>>281663500
In the base time line Shizuka still lost Chappy, but her suicide attempt failed and her mom seemingly finally got the message and moved away, where she could rebuild her life and even got damaged Azuma at the end, who was liking her as a mother surrogate (I would be curious how that would have turned out). You're right about Marina and we also know that her destiny ended tragically with the murder (self defense) suicide of her mom.

We unfortunately don't know how Marina's life would have progressed after Shizuka succeeding in killing herself with the Takopi rope. Would it have turned out better? Probably not even though she wished for exactly that.

Why do I think probably not? Because we at least see the inverted time line, where Shizuka got her wish of Marina's death and she went even more insane about it.

Putting it like that, you could even see Takopi as some kind of allegory for the own immediate desires of Shizuka and Marina and the death of Takopi as giving them up to some degree to reach a better conclusion for everybody.

>>281661347
Nanae, Hokkaido

>>281663345
I’m pretty sure there’s no “timeline” shenanigans, Takopi just went back on in same universe.

>>281664528
But I wanted her to be happy...

>>281664528
Does Shizuka come barefoot in this figure? If so, it did it better than the anime.

>>281665671
she comes with removable shoes, and they're prepared in the factory with stinky perfume

Notice how all the people pretending it's not misery porn have example after example of heinous IRL crimes like they're collecting them. They get off to shit like this.

>>281666508
>redditor thinks those are heinous crimes done by hardened criminals

not yet

>>281666508
I get off to lousy posting so thanks for helping me bust one of the fattest nuts of my life.

I hope they'll make some Marina figures

>>281666508
I don’t think it’s misery for. So parts were kind of sad, but I found it over hopeful and comfy.

>>281668441
It's hopeful about sending a message that you can talk it out but even this thread proves that it's only possible with help of deus ex machina forcibly sharing memories from a dozen failed timelines between just two people.

>>281668469
Dude, it’s Chinese cartoons. Even if there is some deep seated message, a lot of people watch anime for enjoyment, not as part of their philosophy phd.. just let people enjoy what they like. I found the show hopeful and comfy. Any bitching or thesis by you or anyone won’t change my mind.

>>281668792
There's no deep seated message, it tells you right in your face you stupid nigger.

>>281666508
Get help. This level of obsession isn't healthy.

I dunno why people are so overly critical of this anime for not teaching a huge life lesson or raising awareness about something or whatever.

It was a fun story on its own rights and that's it.

Also if I could pin the "moral lesson" down to something it would be that misery will always exist and there is nothing you can do to fix it but you if you have friends you can gain the mental fortitude to endure it without it corrupting your character, which is cliche but whatever

The anime was pretty fun, I was not a fan of the misery porn scenes but whatever they were not detrimental to the experience

>>281669599
It's like you didn't watch the last episode.

>>281668810
He never said there was you retarded faggot. He said even if there was one, he was speaking generally.

>>281669599
>It was a fun story on its own rights and that's it.
Thank you anon. That was all I was trying to say. It’s a fun and enjoyable story. It’s nothing world shattering, but it’s still good.

>>281664528
Oh wow, I went looking to see what the merch situation was like last night but somehow missed that.

This work has me in the mood to read/watch something that doesn't lay it on so thick and focuses more on the healing process. Is there anything good like that with a similar (but probably toned down) bummer vibe from the outset, or is it all shit like Usagi Drop where the MC is just raising himself a daughterwife? Not that I dislike that in and of itself, but it's not really what I'm looking for.

Can toss "misery porn" into the trashbin of retarded pseud buzzphrases already? Absolutely insufferable.

>>281673105
Probably not, unfortunately. The most tiresome sons of bitches on the internet cling to stupid jargon like it's a talisman against anyone who can express themselves without it, and it only cements things that the term's already older than a lot of people who use it.

I'm brave enough to admit I teared up at the last ep esp during shizukas confession and takopis death, and finally the last scene where she became friends with Mari.

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>>281606932
Well, I never watched this, so I cannot judge this specifically, but badly written trauma misery porn is always so ridiculous. Not even people who experience war get it that bad realistically.

>>281673874
>Well, I never watched this, so I cannot judge this specifically
stopped here but thanks for weighing in with a meaningless perspective

>>281673896
From experience, the people defending this show sound like they are coping by pretending misery porn is realistic. So I can tell they are objectively wrong, but I cannot say anything about that being true about the show itself since I never watched it.

>>281673917
not going to read this. you replied too fast so I'm going to assume you just rephrased it to put the disqualifying language at the end to try to trick me into reading the rest of your original thought

>>281673960
I mean, from experience, you already sound like a baiting shitposter who cannot cope with people who disagree with you, and from experience, you fags always end up being wrong.

>>281673105
If Berserk came out today they would be calling it misery porn.

>>281674013
They could call it regular porn for all the cum I've strangled out of my wiener to that tantalizing half-mermaid loli

>>281673566
There were a few points that got me too. Her dad obviously not wanting her, the little wince saying her mom doesn't love her anymore, shit like that. It's clumsily crafted but it feels like it was only yesterday that my daughter was that age so it cuts to the quick to see a little girl in pain like that especially when she's hot like Shizuka and Marina

>>281674685
You got a hot daughter?

>>281674801
I couldn't say. I didn't have siblings so I never believed it but it turns out it really is different when you're related. I think I've done right by her. I've always put her first and made sure she always felt loved and appreciated and now she still wants to hang out together and still calls me daddy even when she's not trying to spend my money

>>281673566
The only bit that actually got to me was Shizukas breakdown. This was only part that felt really brutally honest; she was completely fucked from the start of her life and had absolutely no-one to rely on or anyone to confide in. This is a person who had no chance at a normal life.

The fact that Takopi just abandons this version of Shizuka really fucks me up, but it simultaneously makes me laugh that the author just wants to pretend that this universe never happened. Everything is just happy ok please don't think about the bad things the good end happened because of deus ex machina alright?

>>281675367
>The fact that Takopi just abandons this version of Shizuka really fucks me up
He reversed time. There isn't a different "version" of Shizuka.

>>281675455
>There isn't a different "version" of Shizuka.
There is, because we see it. It's right there

>>281675555
It's the same Shizuka.

>>281675618
No it's not
This shizuka didn't randomly make friends with her bully because of some random bullshit drawing, this shizuka was abandoned, chased after her dad that didn't love her, found out her dog was actually killed and had no-one except a useless space squid for comfort.

>>281675679
>this shizuka was abandoned, chased after her dad that didn't love her, found out her dog was actually killed and had no-one except a useless space squid for comfort.
Then it got undone. What do you have trouble understanding?

>>281675740
Ok so what you're saying is I should only show people the last episode of the anime, since that's the only part that ACTUALLY happened in the canonical timeline
Obviously since the rest of it never happened, it's not important and no-one should ever consider it

>>281675849
If you think only the last 10 minutes of Groundhog Day matters.

>>281675455
>He reversed time.
From Takopi's own point of view anyway. The author doesn't get in the weeds about it, plus he establishes Takopi as a somewhat unreliable narrator due to innocent optimism, so it's entirely possible that these timelines don't even exist until Takopi sets one in motion, and then they persist after he leaves, so by the end of the second or third chapter he's set off dozens of chains of events where he accidentally escalates things until a scared and lonely little girl loses the only creature on Earth that loves her then abandons her as soon as he sees it's hopeless. Given the author's love of catastrophe I'd even say it fits the narrative better than the alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFx6g8uuWcA

this is so good

Sex with Marina. Fixing Marina. Abusing Marina and making her flinch during sex.

>>281675941
>it fits the narrative better than the alternative
No it doesn't. It's true that the author didn't get into the mechanics of how Takopi's time travel works, and in fact it's because of the narrative that we can assume it's the same universe.

>>281674685
Shizuka isn't hot. Now, if your daughter was/is as hot as Marina you can count yourself extremely lucky.

>>281675941
There’s literally near no point to the story if retards overcomplicate things with multiverse timeline bullshit. It just cheapens everything when it’s ackshually not time travel (even though it’s explicitly said to be) but creating new timelines and hopping to a new one that has a just has copy of the previous ones. It’s just time travel bro, the ending even confirms it since Takopi is still in their subconscious after the reversal.

>>281676177
hey shizuka definitely GETS hot by high school. we hear a couple JKs talking about it when they talk about her being an incoming transfer student. she's probably always got it but it's harder to tell in 2016 because she's poor and unclean and smells like her gross dog

I wouldn't think about the time travel stuff too deeply, its never prevented well in any story.

>>281676390
When you think about it, amnesia's the only reason this isn't just Looper but with a faggy space octopus and a sad child.

This has been a fun thread. I hope the author tortures some more children so we can have a spiritual successor.

>>281678364
This thread reminded me why I stay away from this site.
Very little good discussion and too much contrarianism and pedophiles.
Not even much good art either, it sucks.

>>281679677
Oh man, I didn't even think about the tourist filtering aspect. What a great thread.

>>281668939
Playing the "sane one" is not going to help your side.

>>281669599
If this is your idea of "fun", I don't want to know you.

>>281673917
/thread

>>281679677
>Very little good discussion and too much contrarianism
It will sound contrarian if you can't cope with the fact that people that think this show is not good exist.

>>281679951
Posting obsessively for months and making it so personal over a show you dislike is not sane behavior no matter how you slice it.

Sure is summer.

anyone buying the abused Marina figure?

>>281680807
you know, I think I really would buy figures if they were accurately miserable or really misleadingly happy

>>281680807
Any Shizuka figure?

>>281681348
I think I saw one but she looked kinda happy so it was weird.

>>281596695
Correct. It's just pure misery porn. And the ending is comically inept.

Wow, bump limit reached in a days old thread weeks after the show ended. Goodbye, little thread. If I could turn back time with the happy camera I’d shitpost and hornypost all the more

>>281596695
I'm sorry that I had to witness your post.

>>281675367
>The fact that Takopi just abandons this version of Shizuka really fucks me up, but it simultaneously makes me laugh that the author just wants to pretend that this universe never happened.
It's a fictional story. Stories are hypotheticals to begin with. None of this really happened, but we immerse ourselves into as if did.

I liked you, Takopi. You were a good guy. You did the right thing after all.

PS4 girl best girl, she's the one who saved Azuma from evil witch Shizuka