Thread 281925322

This is a statement by the new Chainsaw Man director, Tatsuya Yoshihara.

They completely ditched the style of season 1 and even made this decision public now. Mappa has officially admitted that Ryu Nakayama's previous approach to CSM was a mistake.

Shame that they only realised Nakayama sucked after airing the first season.

>>281925322 (OP)
reminder that Yoshihara was supposed to direct season 1 and recommended Nakayama for the spot, and that Part 2 is better than Part 1

At least put a link to the source you fucking moron

Oh, come on
CSM got the adaptation it deserves

People hated CSM S1? idk about /a/, but normies in all the other circles I was in loved the S1 anime when it was airing

>>281925494
>but normies in all the other circles I was in loved the S1 anime when it was airing
Hence why it flopped

>>281925494
You mean western normies who don't buy the blu-rays? Yeah, I wonder why they're changing the art style.

Redditbros...this can't be...our idol...our series...our cinematic anime...

Imagine doing your job so badly that you end up working for Roblox

Were any manga spreads that were obviously 99% by Dandadan Tatsu adapted in season 1?

>>281925322 (OP)
>The brilliance of Tatsuki Fujimoto's paneling

>>281925322 (OP)
>Fujomoto

>Brilliance

Lmao.

Fujomoto art and panels is literally garbage

>>281925494
They did. They're dumb. S1 was fantastic.

>>281925952
>S1 was fantastic.
-ly shit hence why they changed thebstaff

>>281925952
Hi, Redditbro

>>281925986
No, that was because people are dumb and didn't like it. Pay attention!

>>281925494

If you compare something CSM to something like Dandadan or Jujutsu Kaisen, it's not nearly as succesful.

It should literally be an industry-defining hit but it wasn't because the main appeal of shonen battle manga wasn't present. It just sort of did okay, which is ridiculous.

Watching Chainsaw Man for newfags is gonna be a weird experience. Imagine S1 being this dreary, toned-down and gloomy, and then you watch this movie.

>>281925322 (OP)
>being soulless is CSM's appeal
KEK

>>281925815
Roblox as an IP is about a billion times bigger than fucking Chainsaw Man

>>281926117
Sorry, I expressed myself badly. He works for a company that made a random Roblox game.

>>281926051
Dandadan's anime bump hasn't been that big a deal
I'd bet by the numbers CSM probably got more anime based sales even if part 2 has been in total freefall just because it benefited from the overall Demon Slayer manga buying wave

>>281925322 (OP)
I find it funny that some call the adaptation's direction pretentious when the manga's paneling is exactly like that.

>>281926251
Peak

>>281926051
>Dandadan
The manga boost was far from impressive. Kaijuu and SxF did better.

>>281925322 (OP)
Sauce or fake and gay. I want it to be real but you can't hold out like this.

>>281925494
>but normies in all the other circles I was in loved the S1 anime when it was airing

Like they loved Solo Leveling. Then proceeded to forget about it a day later and never bought anything.

>>281926251
Ok but part 2 is ass

>>281925322 (OP)
BASED BLACK CLOVER DIRECTORCHAD

>>281925322 (OP)
>MAPPA: we made it less colorful, less bright, less three-dimensional and less soulful
>CSMfags: FINALLY! THANK YOU!

Fujimoto's paneling is just a shit version of Azuma's.

>>281926430
>less colorful, less bright
This is what THE DRAGON did. They're bringing the color back.
>less three-dimensional
Less CGI-shit? Thank you.
>less soulful
Again, this was the dragon.

>>281926251
>>281926304
The manga knows when to be serious and when to be a dark comedy. S1 is just serious all the time.

>>281925440
It's a new interview that was just released today in a Japanese magazine. It's been translated by a fan for now.

https://x.com/ImNotThatGloomy/status/1962430886290522260

>>281926103
It'll probably be a really exciting surprise in tone shift! Hopefully.

>>281926298
Normalfag gaijin in general don't really pay for anything anime or manga related outside of a few of the big name stuff.
They genuinely pay less than /a/, which is like 99% pirates.

>>281926454
Fujimoto's version.

>>281926471
>The manga knows when to be serious and when to be a dark comedy.
knew*

>>281926514
/a/ at least imports merch if they like a show enough. Normalfags usually just buy a figure if the show is popular and safe enough to publicly like.

>>281926586
Still knows it.

>>281926472
Better late than never, I suppose. I might actually watch season 2 if they keep him on.

>>281925322 (OP)
The designs were never the problem, the fuck are they doing?

>>281925494
normies don't pay for shit

>>281926634
Dude. Part 2's been shit for a long time now. This isn't /csm/, you don't have to lie to yourself here.

>>281926251
There is no part 2

>>281926251
OMG THIS IS SO PEAK!

>>281926251
I don't think that kind of thing is bad in a vacuum. Yuko just sort of offhandedly admitted to killing her neighbor out of nowhere and I think that page does a good job of conveying the initial shock and following awkward silence of that scene. The problem is he started spamming these moments every other chapter in a blatant attempt to hit inflate his already piss poor page counts. It stops working when you do it all the time and for no real reason (this statement could be applied to a lot of things in part 2).

>>281926715
True.

>>281926694
Fuck /csm/, i have my own opinions and i don't give any shit if this board likes it or not after all this is not a hivemind.

Chainsaw Man? omfg move on already

>>281926715
That's weird. I remember part 2 being really short. Yeah! I remember it got axed right after the Falling Devil arc and Fujimoto had to rush together an ending where Denji and Asa get married and live happily ever after. It wasn't amazing but it sure was better than part 2 turning into a dragged out maze of nonsense!

>>281925494
They did, They are dumb. S1 was a 1735 piece of crap

What will the humiliated defenders of Chensoman's anime say now?

>CSM is up there with DBZ, Sailor Moon, etc, as the most recognizable franchises
>bro it flopped
I just don't know what a flop is anymore.

>>281926715
I wish

Jumpfags are cancer

>>281927057
>CSM is up there with DBZ, Sailor Moon, etc, as the most recognizable franchises
DBZ and Sailor Moon are recognized as good franchises, Trannysaw man is recognized as a dogshit meme

I enjoyed CSM but at the same time I can recognize that the plot isn’t really that good. The people blaming the animation as the reason for CSM flopping is full blown cope, it would have flopped regardless.

>>281925494
/a/ geeks are contrarians with awful taste, the adaptation was well animated and well drawn in addition to having great cinematography. I also loved the horror tone that they went for

It was OVA quality, and if /a/ nerds had their way it would be just as weak as the Sakamoto Days animated adaptation. It is good not to be 100% manga accurate

You have to have a very high film IQ to enjoy season 1 of Chainsaw Man.

>>281925494
CGI man was a straight fucking trashfire and if you thought otherwise you need to be lobotomized

>>281927639
if you believed that you would have already killed me and I wouldn't be making this post, failguy

>>281927305
This.

>>281925322 (OP)
Funny thing is that season 1 looks better than the movie, especially the lighting and background details.
This must be the first time a movie looks worst than the show.

>>281927057
>>CSM is up there with DBZ, Sailor Moon, etc, as the most recognizable franchises

>>281925322 (OP)
>we removed the highlights in the characters' eyes and reduced the amount of shading
How is this good? They are admitting the movie looks worse on purpose and you guys are celebrating.

>>281927832
The whole thing was too shiny, sometimes less is more

>>281925494
>but normies
Yeah, brain-dead idiots loved it because it was different and unlike anime..... which is retarded.

>>281926251
>a b cut between two characters in a scene is pretentious
If you were this ignorant about food you’d think grilled cheese was fine dining

>>281927346
Nah

>>281928260
you might be retarded

>>281928260
You're obese

>>281927346
incorrect, the anime was bad, no one remembers it, it has not transcended

If the movie flops, what's next for CSM?

>>281925322 (OP)
the manga is mid, you can't expect a masterpiece based on trash

>>281928455
Hopefully the manga is axed.

>>281928523
I doubt it, because Shueisha wouldn't suffer from the financial hit and only MAPPA would suffer.

I'm gonna be so fucking mad if hands aren't drawn as pretty as they were in S1

>>281928455
MAPPA sells the rights to JC Staff.

>we removed the highlights in the characters' eyes
Holy shit CSM is saved! The 6fps CGI will finally have the right lighting!

>>281928513
Demon Slayer

>>281927346
>/a/ geeks are contrarians
how ironic

>>281927346
have you read the manga?

>>281925322 (OP)
Tatsuya Yoshihara is a great animator, amongst the best ones nowadays but he's also a mediocre director, let's see how this ends

>>281925494
>Westoid faggots who pirate everything anime related
Their opinions dont matter, mappa doesn't get a dime from their pockets

>>281926251
I blame media like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and Better Call Saul for giving other creators the impression that long shots where characters just sit in silence is peak cinema, and that they should do it as often as possible

>>281925650
>blu-rays in 2025
lmao

>>281926561
Keky

>>281926838
Shart2 sucks and you should unironically kill yourself if you like it

>>281927305
Csm preanime sales were better than jjk preanime sales

>>281930756
Part 2 is fun you faggot. I don't care if that goes against /a/'s gay ass hivemind

>>281930694
That's been a criticism of art house cinema for as long as it's existed.

>>281925322 (OP)
Oh no

>>281925494
Bocchi the Rock completely stole all the attention from Chainsaw Man

>>281930829
>Part 2 is fun you faggot
Bizarro japan...

>>281930829
Fuck no. It's the opposite of fun. Imagine waiting 3 weeks to get horribly drawn fan service and denji being a braindead retard.

>>281926251
>the manga
Except plenty of people have mentioned that the adaptation's direction wasn't inherently wrong and would've been suitable for more serious arcs (Gun Devil arc) and the vast majority of Part 2. The retarded part is how they implemented such a gloomy direction during most of the early parts of the series where things were more intentionally slapstick and full of schlocky B-movie horror visuals.

>>281930410
i read the manga and thought that it was great, i dont want the anime to steal its thunder. I want it to be done in a different style

>>281931053
>would've been suitable for more serious arcs (Gun Devil arc) and the vast majority of Part 2
I used to think this, but Nakayama's misunderstanding of the source material (which is by no means difficult to understand) is so fundamental that I sincerely believe he would have fucked the rest of those up too. He would have found a way.

>>281927346
>the adaptation was well animated and well drawn in addition to having great cinematography. I also loved the horror tone that they went for
See, this is true, but the problem is that it was a destructive process that missed the charm of the original material. It's like those remakes of 80s action movies they were doing back in the 2010s, e.g. 2014 RoboCop. Oh sure the visuals are super polished and the acting is less cheesy, but the cheesiness is what people liked about RoboCop.
Kobeni's a prime example. In the manga, she's a comedic relief character with all her blubbering and panicking in contrast to the other characters being jaded or flippant. In the anime, it's all played terribly straight. The actress is putting in a brilliant effort in making her screams genuinely chilling and her whimpers pitiful. You almost feel bad that such a performance is being wasted on an ultimately misguided interpretation of the scenes. The whole anime is like this. A towering monument to misguided effort.

>>281925322 (OP)
...and thats a GOOD THING

>>281930711
Retard.

>>281925494
That's all cope. MAPPA fell for the Fujimoto loves movies meme which to pseuds translates to him being a genius appreciator of true classical art when in reality he's talking about the avengers (this is real btw)
CSM was doomed no matter what tho since MAPPAs composition has always sucked ass and nothing ever matches with the background, no even the color correction. Its only chance was to go crazy in the first season but instead they murdered the spirit of the story

>>281930445
Can't be worse then the shitty dragon.

>>281931232
Then you're a fucking idiot.

>>281926051
>an industry-defining hit
I don't understand why this has to mean it needed to be a success on the level of Dandadan or Jujutsu Kaisen. How many masterpieces do you know sell on par with Demon Slayer?

>>281931276
That's fair. I'm just glad they decided to shift away from that misfire for Reze's arc.

>>281926051
Because CSM is for people with brains, dumbass. Who told you to compare it to battle shounen like Dandadan and JJK

>>281928260
>>281930694
I don't have a problem with more "contemplative" manga. The problem is that Fujimoto's manga clearly isn't like that. So every time he tries, it feels forced. It's like seeing a Hollywood slasher trying to be a European drama. Just stop.

>>281925322 (OP)
>even made this decision public now. Mappa has officially admitted that Ryu Nakayama's previous approach to CSM was a mistake.
/a/ adding narrative and personal interpretation like always

>reduced amount of shading
The shittenary of sakuga. Everything feels like JJK S2 now, all that shadowless lazy crap. We need more stuff like Demon Slayer where they actually put in the effort and didn’t skimp on shading.

>>281931500
>that background
I didn't know it was this bad

>Reze movie this month
>S2 next year after JJK S3P1

Chensobros, we're going home

>>281931550
The actual clip was 4fps and way worse than you think. Mappa got seriously lazy here.

>>281931500
>Everything feels like JJK S2 now
>all that shadowless lazy crap.
How fucking new are you?

>>281925494
The undeniable truth: the reason why it had such a backlash was the obnoxious CSM fanboys who repulsed everyone, and they were seeking an excuse.

>>281925322 (OP)
>getting rid of the retarded MAPPA lighting/shading
holy shit are we back? I fucking hate the way they did the lighting in csm and snk s4. it was a bigger complaint to me than any amount of cgi. now I just hope they get rid of the depth blur, that looks awful for anime too. it's a shame because all that gross lighting, lens flares, and blur was obscuring some of the actual good animation lying underneath

>>281925494
i didn't hate it, desu i thought it was alright. back then i only shitposted the threads as a retaliation for chensoyfags raids on other anons threads

>>281925322 (OP)
>Tatsuya Yoshihara
Based, but I just hope this slop doesn't delay S2 of the real Yoshihara kino.

>>281925322 (OP)
where are the mf that defended this shit?

>>281931841
>now I just hope they get rid of the depth blur,
What depth blur? Why even use it?

>>281926251
how the hell do you have pretentious paneling?

>>281925322 (OP)
The only thing mappa can do right is apologize for their fuckups

>>281925322 (OP)
I'm confused
I disliked the jarring cgi but I don't think anyone was mad about the hair and eye colors, right? Makima's eyes being enthralling is kind of the point no?

>>281932009
See the webm in this post: >>281928571
I'm not just talking about making the backgrounds a bit blurry, even thought it looks weird plenty of shows do that. In this case, even the character itself is blurred at different depths. It happens all the time in part 1 and it's noticeable and it really annoys me. Combine that with the background blurring and it just hurts to watch

>>281932068
And to add onto this post, I get it if they're trying to make it look like an actual camera and as if they're shooting a movie but it looks fucking stupid for anime. Interesting idea, not very good in practice

>>281925322 (OP)
>consulted the ed staff
wow those people who understood the tone of csm more than the director who woulfd have thought

>>281927057
bluray dvd sell like dogshit.
no tv rating in top 10. no rerun tv after 3 years
streaming number lost to even bocchi eventually (no ad/marketing, niche manga)
No relevant stay. the manga fall hard.
Japan's online openly hating it.
western retard crowd great at bringing it on social media and internet engagement, but they didnt buy shit and they watch it illegally.

>>281932110
is that actually supposed to look like short focus? it's just blurred around the edges. both possible answers are retarded though

This dude. This fucking DUDE is making ROBLOX games now. KWABOTD contender.

>>281925322 (OP)
Any image examples of the anime not capturing the tone and art properly of the manga?

>>281925322 (OP)
>>281925406
How the fuck did it take them an entire season to realize Nakayama's approach was utterly retarded?
Are project directors at anime studios not required to produce pilot episodes to give the studio heads a sample for what the rest of the show is going to be like in terms of direction, quality and art style?
Did they simply just write that retard Nakayama a big check for the entire series and gave him zero oversight?

Goyslop for brown Marxists.

>>281932500
Ye

>>281930694
When do BB/BCS do that?

Nakayama raped a lot of the cool cinematic shots Fujimoto actually pulled but nobody is bringing it up. The faces were already bad but this is like objectively shit

>>281925322 (OP)
>hate anime
>"PLEASE!! don't do anime voice"
>anime is shit
geeee

>>281925494
The problem with season 1 is that it only had 12 episodes, and it’s been three years since the continuation. Compare that to Spy x Family or Dandadan, where very little time has passed between seasons. Chainsaw Man lost its momentum, and now no one cares anymore.

Haruhi won?

>>281932695
And slopgoysawcucks lost.

>>281932659
Power is the character who suffered the most from the adaptation, her expressions were all butchered.

>>281926634
Nah

>>281932695
Of course

>>281932500
>hollywood does this and it sells, so if we do it then it will sell
I mean I can understand their line of thinking.

>>281932659
I hate Nakayama so much, it's unreal.

Another CSM thread of CSM fags having a hard time their anime sucks. If they are gonna it defend it badly, MAPPA should have keep the same artsyle to sastisfy them and them die on that hill, irrelevant and forgetable.

>>281932695
Haruhi was far more cinematic than Nakayama shit yes

daily raped by bocchi

Watching western anime fans talk about the first season of CSM was downright alien to me. I hope they were just pretending to like it, because if they genuinely did, we are so fucked.

>>281927057
The manga was recognizable, the anime burnt a lot of that and turned an anime that could have been generation defining into something merely popular.

>>281931841
>otakufags hates shading baka

>>281933003
Where is bocchi's S2? You guys told me BD sales were everything in Japan

>>281932110
>they're trying to make it look like an actual camera and as if they're shooting a movie but it looks fucking stupid for anime.
People say this while jerking off to Satoshi Kon. Pick a lane

>>281925322 (OP)
so now the anime will be even more kikey, with some new nigger characters, probably start cucking the girl characters etc... etc....
first season was more than decent for what it was, nobody really complained too much about it, yet it was a mistake...

>>281932923
just online retard basement dweller and youtuber pretend as arthouse critique.
atleast japan rejected it hard.

>>281933035
because its not supposed to be long series or franchise, its just director's passion project. also the manga is short anyway.

>>281933083
you need to go back

>>281925494
Normalfags are easily distracted by nu-sakuga animation, they are like toddlers

>>281925494
I really like the manga (the first part at least).
I watched a little of the anime and immediately hated what I saw.

>>281925322 (OP)
chainsawman is a mistake, fujimoto is a hack fraud. he's the yoko taro and toby fox of modern animanga. anyone who unrionically likes their slops should not be anywhere near in your life.

>>281925494
I couldn't watch more than one episode even though I had bought all the volumes at that point.

>>281925322 (OP)
Was it Nakayama's decision to skip Muscle devil to get to the waifu faster, I doubt it
Was it Nakayama's decision to make this the series they used for training new staff (a good thing to do in theory, just don't blow it on the hottest thing since sliced bread)

>>281925494
boy you really kicked the bee hive with this post

>>281932834
CSMfags especially nips were the ones who hated S1 direction.

>>281928260
Is it not?

I just hope they don't listen to the illiterate retards who think Makima is meant to have some mummy dommy voice

>>281926472
>in a Japanese magazine.
Which magazine?

>>281930829
Based anon

>>281933398
i'm not a voice fag but it definatley shouldn't sound that young/teen like early twenties max

>>281933389
Insane how he and his team even thought this was okay to even upload. Gordon sniffs his own farts more than Nakayama.

>>281925494
You god damned tourist, the PV was fantastic and everyone liked it, but then the OP was released and everyone hated it guts while shills and gaydditors were sⲟyfacing it, then the anime started airing and everyone with a braincell realized it was a disservice. The only good things about it were a couple of OPs and EDs.

>>281933550
Kick Back was kino, what are you on about?

>>281933816
The song is a gargantuan piece of shit and its OP is trash too. You should kill yourself for having such bad taste.

The anime should have been a 2-cour season with 10 episodes per cour, with Chainsaw Blood being the OP1, ED4 being the ED until it switches to ED3 after Makima gets up in the train, and the second cour beginning with her killing the goons, then ED8 becomes the OP. ED11 was good too, but should have been left for S2-3. This entire project was mismanaged and the Reze movie should've just been S2.

>>281925322 (OP)
Didn't Nakayama start/plan to start a new anime studio? Any news on that?

>>281931283
>Kobeni's a prime example. In the manga, she's a comedic relief character with all her blubbering and panicking in contrast to the other characters being jaded or flippant. In the anime, it's all played terribly straight.
And while that interpretation sorta works for the material S1 adapted, it will completely fall apart when it gets to scenes like Kobeni's car or DDR Kobeni.

>>281925494
>Normies
Normalfags is the uncensored language tourist. Also S1 was good for what it was.

>>281933892
>until it switches to ED3 after Makima gets up in the train, and the second cour beginning with her killing the goons, then ED8 becomes the OP
Kino

>>281933398
>>281933461
Makima's Japanese voice sounded a bit too young/cutesy. Dub voice I think got her just right.

>>281933398
>mommy Makima shouldn't sound like mommy
This is exactly why the anime flopped.

>>281933003
Bang Dream won.
i like Chainsaw man animes though. i dun get the hatred.

/a/ movie meetup when?

>>281925322 (OP)
Now it looks oversatured, like every other anime in the industry.

>>281928571
Am I the only ones who believes that Makima's power should've been more "brute"? Rather than a super detailed and slow movement that makes you think the staff has a fetish it should've been a quick and harsh movement

>>281925494
it was just weebs who lost their shit at anime only scenes and cgi and how it was 'too realistic"

>>281935568
The cgi did look bad though
I didn't have an issue with the color scheme though

>>281925494
I hate it. I don’t care what faggot ass normies think. It’s pretentious and Nakayama is a pretentious pseud and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

If you like CSM season 1 you have bad taste in art.

>>281935552
Everyone with a brain does. A lot of the animation is misinterpreted and misguided.

>>281925494
>People hated CSM S1?
no
>idk about /a/,
terminally online weebs who never pay for shit.

>>281935978
>no
Yes.
>terminally online weebs who never pay for shit.
But nobody "paid for shit". CSM had terrible sales.

>>281936020
>Yes.
you are brown
>But nobody "paid for shit". CSM had terrible sales.
asspull analytics. /a/ also believes that boruto is doing well because of some metric. a cancelled anime.

Im starting to hate the japanese

They finally get something right
they hire the right director
they make a fantastic show and now they backpedal to appease equivalent of 4chan shitposters to specifically make a worse show for me and most western audiences.

oh well. Not gonna watch the movie.

>>281925494
It's good as long as there is no Chainsawman on the screen, really the biggest issue is the disgustingly ugly CGI. A more muted style would've gone a long way.

>>281931408
>How many masterpieces do you know sell on par with Demon Slayer?
There aren't any, because good manga doesn't sell like that.

>>281936068
Mappa wouldn't change shit if nakayama's vision was accepted by fans, you are a retarded pseud with no taste who can't think for himself and bases his opinion on video essays by retards on youtube.

>>281936057
>muh brown
I'm as pale as snow while you're clearly a pajeet.
>asspull analytics
How is the published Bluray sales ranking an asspul, it's the numbers given by the publisher and confirmed by the anime's very own committee. It's as legit as a metric can get. You're the one who said "never pay for shit", invoking metrics.
>>281936111
The CSM manga has sold pretty well though.

trvth bomb
/a/ is the definition of people who type first in the comments but unironically think that their comment matters more. quick google says that CSM season 1 was successful but MAPPA expected it to be JJK levels. you twist that and flood the online space with disingenuous shitposting. just because you ruin anime for yourselves by reading the manga scans and bickering online doesn't make you anything other than a normie.

>>281925494
chainsaw man was already an industry giant even before the anime, so when the anime did only okay that basically means it's a complete flop. Chainsaw anime shouldve been as big as MHA or JJK, but it wasnt nearly as successful. To this day CSM survives on the manga's popularity

>>281936142
Unreal projection. Bonafide /a/fags wouldn't be caught dead typing at all on any comment sections of any normalfagsite. That's the kind of thing only tourists like you do.

you are so desperate to deflect you didn't even understand the post. /a/ is that "first" comment section. irrelevant stubborn liars. do i even need to say that even though CSM did well in sales it was always a league below industry leaders like JJK and MHA. go on. type "first" again.

>>281925322 (OP)
>mfw JJK 3 looks better than the Reze movie
It happens when studios listen to retards in the internet

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RYI-WG_HFV8

>>281925322 (OP)
KINO
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>>281936142
>quick google says
lmao.

>>281925322 (OP)
Desatured colors is how you mimic the horror atmosphere of the manga.

The Reze movie looks like Rent a Girlfriend instead. Japanese people are really NPCs.

>>281936068
This is a strange image and 100% written by a bitter EOP who didn't know what he was getting into and fails to understand anything about Japan.

/a/ is like a containment board for gatekeeping retards that believe their shit opinion matters because they type first.
you spammed for years how the CGI of the first two episodes is indicative of the quality later on. a blatant lie. CSM season 1 was badly received because JJK. another lie.

>>281936142
>>281936286
>>281936520
Do you really not understand how dumb this makes you look?

>>281936545
It's a bot or schizo. Either way it lacks self awareness.

>>281936142
retard csmfag. csm not even close to JJK level earning. not even MHA. its look BIG, because WESTOID ONLINE and FUJI-CULT pretend it is huge success.

>>281936545
>>281936562
you responds within seconds. not asshurt at all.

>>281933035
Retardbro...

>>281925494
They really didn't like this one, chief.

>>281933962
>sounded a bit too young/cutesy.
Gee i wonder why

>>281936614
MOEkima...

>>281936603
>if i spam the same thing hundred times my opinion will matter.
good ol dishonest /a/

>>281936068
No one gives a fuck about what western redditors have to say

>>281936603
>newfag tourist who hasn't even been on /a/ yet when csm aired talks about how much his normalfag circles loved the anime
Yeah I wonder why people didn't like it.

>>281936388
>horror atmosphere
>in csm
You're retarded nigga

>>281936614
What were they thinking

...

>>281936644
go ahead and kys since you're so worthless

>>281936655
>even been on /a/ yet when csm aired
this argument is the definition of no self awareness. you are implying brown weebs that never pay for anything matter because?

>>281925896
Brilliant

>>281936681
>muh views.
oh boy

>>281936686
I'm not the one pretending my voice worths more than japan's

>>281936687
>brown weebs that never pay for anything
Stop talking about yourself, retarded tourist newfaggot.

>>281936711
>japan's
the reason we are getting expensive animation is because anime does well on streaming globally. namely netflix and cr. fags on /a/ still talk about normies and reddit and tourists like it's 2015. flooding dishonest nonsense on an anonymous site means nothing.

>>281936681
free views.
csm always bring youtube views, songs OP's views.

>>281930829
P2 is dogshit

>>281936760
The reason we are getting more expensive animation is because the japanese love it, retarded faggot.

>>281930829
>Faggot
>Gay
Holy projection

>>281936770
Mengo...

>>281936791
cope. but in brown. because you pay for nothing.

>>281936629
>>281936676
I like it
It's the cute voice that completely disarms you from her being what she is

>>281936813
I pay for netlix and that apparently means something to you :^)

>>281936142
A Japanese ceo admitting that a product didn't meet expectations means that it was in fact a colossal failure, bro

>>281936826
>I like it
that's because you are retarded and think the voice for this gremlin should be the same one as makima

>>281936835
everyone accusing you of being dishonest fags. you are literally quoting the post that points out the arbitrary comparison to jjk. yeah in your esl brain that makes sense.

>>281936791
>because the japanese love it
>incredible expensive industry works based on vibes
pls stop

>>281936969
>incredible expensive industry doesn't work based on their main market (Japan)
pls kill yourself

>>281925491
to be fair, part 1 did have good panelling

>>281936614
>>281936676
i love her, anons
>>281936791
>>281936969
pls make more FF movies with minmaxed 3DCG.

Does anyone have that interview where the director told Denji's seiyuu to voice Denji not like an anime character and the guy was so confused because he was hired to voice an anime?

>>281937086
Yeah but that's because of his assistants. But one of them is making spyxfamily and the other dandadan now instead.

>young ambitious director says he doesn't want to make moe
>weebs seethe
>3 years later turbo autismos are still holding a grudge
>post a very baity op because it was real in my head
>call everyone who doesn't agree with my headcanon a tourist
>500 replies
never change /a/

>>281932659
i really like fuji's early art like in the first 10 ch of chainsawman

>>281933916
He did and directed some ads for gacha games and an ED for some anime

>>281931283
Great art is often made by a reinterpretation of another work.

>>281937298
>he doesn't want to make moe
Anime*
>turbo autismos
If it was just them, he wouldn't have gotten the boot so soon after the first season

>>281925494
>normies

That's your answer. Everybody, even with low power level, hated it. Only normies, who know shit about animation and that they just want to watch what popular (to be popular themselves) praised it.

Chainsaw Man sucked badly and it still hurts

>>281930711
Japanese are still selling and buying DVDs, so yeah, sells of blu-ray are still relevant there

>>281925494
>normalfags get instructed to get hyped for CSM on xitter by actual manga fans and advertisement
>they proceed to suck on it despite the quality of the anime itself
>instantly forget about it right after and move on to the next hyped up thing
How is this hard to understand?

>>281925322 (OP)
OP 1 was a kino classic though. OP for season 2 will be worse.

>>281937133
Assistants don't do panelling, kid

>>281937464
>they just want to watch what popular (to be popular themselves)
This. It was crystallizing how many """"makima fans""" (specially cosplay thots) were flabbergasted that she was a villain, because, surprise surprise, they never actually read the manga and were just bandwagoning for attention, like all normalfaggots do on the daily.
>>281937529
OP1 was trash, even with all the nice references.

>>281937298
I'm just mad he wasted time and money on doing the same scenes twice from a different perspective like he was making a live action movie. In live action it works because they have multiple cameras. In anime, no. Could have spent that money on better things. I don't hate the csm anime but they really didn't prioritize it right.

>>281937551
They made the backdrops which makes a panel good

>>281937464
>who know shit about animation
*sign...animation was only bad in the first two episodes. i don't partake in the discussion for 3 full years and you guys still repeat the same thing. not autistic at all.
>>281937462
>Anime*
"so called" but yeah as i said 3 years later and these threads are the exact fucking same. you guys need an outside hobby.

>>281925491
>>281925896
I'm not reading part 2 because it's boring, but the effective paneling really elevated the mediocre art in CSM part 1 and in Fire Punch.
Tricked me into thinking thatthe art itself was good, even.
So yeah, I think cool paneling is one of Fujimoto's best skills.

>>281925494
Do you really thought that 'NPC' is just a meme?
Those "people" have no sentient thoughts. perfect goyim.

>>281937623
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

>>281937647
>animation was only bad in the first two episodes.
...1/6 of the runtime? And you think that's a good thing?
Putting aside the fact that the whole series had bad direction all around and horrid 3dcg, anime is not supposed to have shit animation in the first few episodes.

>>281925494
i thought it looked good and i enjoyed it as an anime only, but there was something about it that always felt "off" which is pretty normal for everything mappa fucking touches. Like the only series they can get right is JJK or something

>>281937869
I always thought chainsaw man would have been better in the hands of someone like shaft, but that's more like "peak shaft" vs the shaft we've got right now.

>>281937647
>"so called"
There's an interview where Denji's seiyuu was told to emote as if he wasn't voicing a character in an anime. The consistent direction of the first adaptation was to make an anime that wasn't like an anime, which is completely at odds with Fujimoto's manga
If he wanted to do that sort of thing, he should have just done an original anime and kept his mouth shut in interviews so that it didn't seem that he was mocking anime fans
I was fine with the adapatation even though I found it "dry" at points but after reading the manga, it feels like a completely different series
>3 years later and these threads are the exact fucking same. you guys need an outside hobby.
You're acting like the people posting here now are the same people who have been posting for years. I think you're the one who needs to get his head out of these threads if you think that you're arguing with the same people al the time rather than random anons

>>281925322 (OP)
Gojo vs Sukuna is going to ruin them

>>281937647
soulless, colorless, expressionless, toneless, less animation, less background, no comedy.
yikes. csm is straight pretentious dogshit hail as cinematic. what a joke.

>>281937298
-bluray sell like dogshit
-tv rating is not good
-no rerun for tv (unlike KNY that had multiple)
-No relevant stay
-Japanese online openly hating it
-Part 2 manga sales fall hard below pre-anime announcement
-not even winning crunchyroll award, lol.
-surpass by no-name niche Bochi the rock

make oscar-bait anime, didnt win any anime award.

ryo was and still huge retard directors.

>>281925322 (OP)
>another thread bitching about Nakayama
you will never make him to be Yamakan 2.0 /a/

>>281937524
>>normalfags get instructed to get hyped for CSM on xitter by actual manga fans and advertisement
you know you will read some hardcore gatekeeper cope as soon are you read the word normie. season 1 was awesome.

https://youtu.be/_S5SPUNpnEw?si=Yk9dXTexok0FNRx3&t=494

>>281932814
Well, he's like Fujimoto. Fujimoto is also a pretentious prick that thinks he's doing "cinema" and not manga.

>>281933925
Yeah you gotta think ahead if you are going to reinterprete things

>>281938373
>season 1 was awesome.
In your opinion, why did the studio fire the director and move in a different direction for the Reze film which, going off of the interview given above, means aiming to be more faithful to the manga?

>>281926658
>normies don"t subscribe to Crunchyroll
People really are this this stupid, huh?

>>281932141
You really, genuinely believe everything you just posted, don't you?

That is suuuper fucking sad.

>>281925447
This. I'm also glad that CSM2 is also shit and causing CSM threads to devolve into Dragon Ball lite schizophrenic ritualposting.
All of this couldn't have happened to a more deserving fanbase.

>>281925322 (OP)
I liked season 1. It was different, very atmospheric, very cinematic with good music that set a spine chilling tone. A shame the average weeb has no taste.

>>281938701
Not that anon but that's literally what happened

The only things I care about involving mappa is ZLS.
Fuck csm. over rated manga

>>281938672
>Cr*nchyroll
opinion discarded

>>281933003
Didn't Mappa sell Chainsaw Man discs on their own website to break the mold and get more revenue? And they don't have to report those sales? Not that physical media matters at all in 2025 and the entire industry is sustained by China alone?

I mean, Chainsaw Man would not be getting a movie and it would not be one of the most hyped releases of the year if the anime truly WAS a flop like a handful of people here want everybody to believe for some weird reason.

>>281933916
As far as anyone knows, his last "major" project was directing a trailer for a Roblox game.

>>281938701
>That is suuuper fucking sad.
part2's sales out of nowhere?

>>281938770
Oh, okay, so you're just a total moron. Gotcha'.

>>281938808
crunchyroll is a jewish app that will ruin anime just like they ruined western media

>>281938745
What does cinematic mean?

>>281938799
One Piece also sold 50 million copies in one year fifteen years ago; what, just because it doesn't sell as much now because audience interest has shifted means it is no longer good? You wanna' tell the guy who came up with Chainsaw Man what to do?

>>281938839
it's when you make coffee scenes, the more coffee scenes you have the cinematicer it is

>>281938831
It does not change the fact that the planet outside of Japan and Chine watches anime on Crunchyroll, which is where all the normies watched Chainsaw Man.

With a paid subscription.

>>281938860
Are you fucking braindead or something? One Piece is the manga with the most staying presence in the entire industry, still selling millions even after 3 decades since it's start, Flopsawshit is the fastest declining manga ever, losing 80% of its readers in 8 volumes/ 3 years

>>281925896
>>281926251
Remember part 2 is a storyboard for film, not a manga unlike part 1. These panels indicate pacing.

>>281938777
>if the anime truly WAS a flop like a handful of people here want everybody to believe for some weird reason.
If it wasn't then Nakayama would still be here. Did you forget that painful video of the seiyuu trying to get the crowd to chant "chainsaw man" and failing on stage during that Mappa festival or whatever it was

>detailed faces, eyes, lighting and background are le bad

/a/ logic

>>281938951
It'd be good if MAPPA knew how to do it right

>>281938916
>If it wasn't then Nakayama would still be here.
I thought the guy actually recognised and faced the fact that working conditions in the anime inbdustry are exploitative and unsustainable and started his own studio to try and improve the industry.

>>281938745
>the average weeb
You can argue until you're blue in the face: if your target audience doesn't like your anime, you've probably failed.
Also, weeaboo, as in Westerners who are obsessed with Japan? If anything, most of the casual weebs loved the anime. It was the Japanese and fans of the original manga who hated who different it was

>>281938839
No wonder there are so many braindead takes on /a/. They don’t know the first thing about cinematics and only point to the coffee scene. The cinematography’s been there since Denji vs the zombies in episode 1, the weighty movement of Aki vs Katana Man, and the tension building up before Katana Man showed up. Then they’ve got the gall to call people who like S1 normies. Go watch Seven (1995) or some shit and grow a frontal lobe for media literacy in films.

Japanese otakus have awful judgment when it comes to cinematography. You’d think stuff like Takeshi Kitano films would be classic in Japan, but nope, still niche and mostly appreciated outside of Japan. People hate his style and only prefer his Beat Takeshi persona.

>>281939119
That's nice and all but you haven't explained what cinematic is

>>281939074
He got fired, anon

>>281939190
Lmao the classic Charlie Kirk what is a woman strat, lame

>>281938550
>Well, he's like Fujimoto
yes. we know. but why not seethe and sperg and cry and cum.
i am lowkey ashamed i have followed this utterly retarded "drama" without a hint of irony we have reached recluse weeb levels that SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. dude said some very understandable things that perfectly fit the CSM manga but oh boy did he phrase them in a way that would be twisted by anally blasted fags. and all of the sudden im supposed to care how an ultra violent series about demons sold less bluerays than K-on. let me repeat that. i, a grown ass shounen man am supposed to care about a high school girl show. but of course being a weeb i know a lot of you third world 25+ yo negros watch it "ironically" because MUH MOE. and that somehow makes the evidently delusional decision of a business guy a failure on the director of a confirmed financial success. please unalive yourselves. the one thing that is true is that the first two episodes are badly animated. and of course ass hurt weebs will lie like shameless whores through their rotting teeth to mislead everyone about the rest of the show. which is not only awesome, it elevates the manga in the most important key story parts. but i don't even need to defend it because no matter how much you cry about normies in your outmost gatekeeping desperation, the anime is insanely fucking popular. are you going to call me a tourist because i haven't been following these threads for the last 3 years when NOTHING HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED. i don't even care about csm so much as i care about the fact that you waste my time on your headcanon retarded shit again and times again. you were wrong about jjk, bleach, mha, aot and csm. lel at your lives.

thanks for read my ted talk.

>>281925322 (OP)
>>281925406
I still don't get it, what exactly was the problem with Nakayama's direction?
Don't get me wrong I'm not defending him and I dropped the CSM anime but I can't pinpoint exactly what went so wrong
Never read the manga before.

>>281939253
>what exactly was the problem with Nakayama's direction?
it's not Bocchi the Rock!
seriously.

>>281939119
The target audience for Chainsawman is teenagers, boys from 12-19. You can wax on and on and on about cinematography as much as you want, but it's an adaptation that doesn't capture the flow of the original manga at all
The funny thing is that if you want to see an artistic rendition of a shounen manga, you could just go watch the Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuioku-hen which is extremely well received on this board. But you'd rather continue this pointless argument despite the fact that it's been years since the pretentious director was fired

>>281939283
>but it's an adaptation that doesn't capture the flow of the original manga at all
>>281938550
>Fujimoto is also a pretentious prick
this thread. i swear.

csm fan logic: cinema bad, shonenslop good
proceed to get hyped for the jjk culling game arc anime instead

>>281939283
>pretentious director was fired
Because it didn’t bring in the bucks. Even if it was a perfect 100% adaptation, if it flopped in sales you’d say otherwise. There’s literally no logic with sales. People eat up normie shit like Avengers, then cry about wanting something more original and stylish, but don’t support it when it actually drops.

>>281938951
This troglodyte fanbase really deserve the awful Part 2 they're getting

>>281939330
And what does that have to do with trying to direct an action manga like Chainsawman as if it were a dry live action film?
Also, this might be a massive shock to you, but there are multiple people in this thread
>>281939393
Chainsawman is shounen

>>281939432
>Because it didn’t bring in the bucks.
>absolute complete financial success>>281938373
im talking to bots arent i

This is le bad give me more colorful aura super sayan and explosions like One Piece wano anime

>>281939432
>Because it didn’t bring in the bucks.
Why didn't it bring in the bucks?
>Even if
>if it flopped
I'm not arguing hypotheticals, I'm arguing reality. The lack of sales is directly tied to the adaptation
> Avengers,
The majority of people who watch those films have never read a comic in their life, meanwhile quite a large amount of the Chainsawman anime audience were manga fans. Not even a good comparison
You really just don't have a solid argument, here. The crux of it is that you're complaining that it didn't do well even though you liked it rather than trying to address the very large elephant in the room about how it wasn't a good adaptation.

>>281938898
Lmfao you're so out of touch with reality. They watch it on freeanimeonline.com

>>281939454
>And what does that have to do with
fuji is a film buff himself.

>>281939502
Or you could just compare it to the manga's colour illustrations

>>281933550
kick back is literally one of the most iconic anime opening in history and one of the highest viewed on all online platforms
You got to be a falseflagging JJK tranny or some shit at this point

>>281939526
>Lmfao you're so out of touch with reality.
absolute complete financial success

>>281938951
>>281939502
you're either trolling or a redditor

>>281939564
but enough about jjk.

>>281939533
Yeah? Doesn't matter when the adaptation is of a manga and the medium of choice is anime
You know how Araki, who draws Jojo, is a big music fan? Imagine trying to direct the anime as if it was a music video in homage to that. It wouldn't actually capture the spirit of the manga
Imagine if a mangaka was a huge VN fan, so the adaptation tried to make it resemble a Visual Novel? Nearly everyone would think it was horrible
This is exactly why the Japanese hated the guy: he was trying to force the rules and ideas of a different medium onto anime, implying that anime was a lesser medium than films. He didn't even try to hide this attitude in interviews either.
Making an adaptation of Chainsawman more like a film instead of more like the manga itself is already a failure. If you want to throw homages or references into the OP, sure, most people aren't going to complain there. But he missed the mark comically and so have you

>>281939588
>you're either trolling or a redditor
stubborn cunt continues to lie -3 years later- how the pilot episode is indicative of the rest of the show
let me guess you also wrote this gem:
>>281933550
>but then the OP was released and everyone hated it

>continue to mindbreak csm drones 'til this day
How did they do it

>>281939646
>stubborn cunt continues to lie -3 years later- how the pilot episode is indicative of the rest of the show
i will post another episodes then :3
>>281939646
>let me guess you also wrote this gem:
no, that's not me, if i wasn't posting this pic right now i'd post a screenshot so you would look like the clown you are

>>281939588
You're a falseflagging JJK/KNY/BNHA autist. You never read CSM. You never enjoyed CSM. You are only here to troll and shitpost with obvious shit tier bait like "everyone hated the CSM opening"

>>281939698
I have read chainsaw man part 1 three times faggot. Kill yourself.

>>281939619
>but enough about jjk.
>>281938373

>>281939732
I won't watch your garbage, shill. If you want to make a point do it with your own words

>152 million
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFlDRhvM4L0&list=RDdFlDRhvM4L0

>>281939773
>I won't watch your garbage
i can humiliate you in both video and picture form.

>>281939866
They despised the director so much because he squandered the series' pontential to be another jjk, so now he has to make roblox trailers for a living

>>281939788
everyone hated this OP btw and it killed the anime hype btw

>>281938784
reddit think this is an upgrade job. lol. the mental gymnastic to justify csm quality and perception is insane
>>281938701
Fuji-CULT literally reject FACTS. super weird, man. its just manga, and some men.

If you like the adaptation you are anti-anime and should get the fuck out of /a/

>>281939904
>he squandered
manabu certainly did that.

>>281939866
I'm not the anon you were talking to, but if it was a complete success, they wouldn't have fired him
Also
>Financially, it was a complete success. However, I'm still not satisfied with whether it has the same impact as "Jujutsu Kaisen", which I worked on most recently.
>Some works sell a lot of packages (DVDs and Blu-rays), while others get a lot of views through distribution. To be honest, I wish I could have reached more audiences who pay for the package.
There's the full quote on that

>>281940006
>manabu
who?

>>281938777
every anime get movie right now. cos KNY's success.
if its so success, why wait for 3 years??? KNY literally make movie MT a year later, and if huge success, why the directors change?? if its super mega success, why MAPPA doing damage control media tour???

>>281925322 (OP)
They can't just say it plainly that CSM's adaptation completely and totally missed the tone of the manga so those who actually buy anything (fans of the manga) hated it. The manga reads as silly, energetic, and absurd but the director made sure the adaptation had absolutely none of that and went with gritty and pensive. Which the series isn't at all. It's that simple and no need to complicate things.

>>281939988
Use the high res coward

>>281940167
i got the pic from google, if you want to post a different pic you can google it yourself.

>>281939866
if dozen ISEKAI anime continue being made every season and many had sequel, that mean
The SUCCESS standard for anime is quite low.

>>281940397
They unironically want CSM to be some cheap cash-cow slop like isekai or most shonen
They hated the director because he made an expensive cinematic art project.

>>281925322 (OP)
idk, i thought season 1 of csm was alright, except for the cgi
the cute girls were well animated, which is basically the only thing that matters to me

>>281940510
>an expensive cinematic art project.
Have you ever actually read Chainsaw Man? Serious question?
Do you think the adaptation actually captured the spirit of the manga
On top of that, since you keep complaining about money, the main reason people bring it up is that MAPPA invested into complete ownership of the production of the adaptation in order to make money. Unlike an adaptation of a LN in which the adapation is mostly just a means to advertise the source materials, MAPPA was aiming to profit directly from the anime which, if you'll look at the quote on this post
>>281940054
Didn't happen. The more you talk, the more obvious it becomes that you have no actual idea about how the anime industry is run

>>281940054
>they wouldn't have fired him
this entire fiasco is a bunch of dishonest fags twisted the simple fact that a CEO's absolutely delusional business decision was a failing on the director's part despite a very successful anime. in other words fags sided with the CEO because the director said mean things about moe slop. is there even a reason to bother anymore with terminally online fandoms detached from reality?

>>281939237
I asked a question and you didn't answer it at all

>>281940684
no it wasn't successful bro
Everyone hated the anime
Everyone hated the opening
I know how the anime industry work btw

>>281939558
>one of the highest viewed on all online platforms
This is good. I'm glad it gave some exposure to some literal who indie artist!

>>281940684
>Financially, it was a complete success. However, I'm still not satisfied with whether it has the same impact as "Jujutsu Kaisen", which I worked on most recently.
>Some works sell a lot of packages (DVDs and Blu-rays), while others get a lot of views through distribution. To be honest, I wish I could have reached more audiences who pay for the package.

Literally
>it's good that a lot of people watched it, but a lot of them didn't buy shit

>>281940684
>is there even a reason to bother anymore with terminally online fandoms detached from reality?
I bet you don't know a word of Nip to see what the Japanese think of the series

>>281940975
Ok so it was financially a complete success but actually no it wasn't

>>281939988
I kinda like her cute demeanor in the anime. I know a lot of fags want the mommy dommy type but that's because they're gay.

>>281941226
the problem is her seiyuu voices lolis and moeblobs, not characters like makima

>now blaming the isekai boogeyman
KEKAROO

>>281941112
Amazing that the Japanese businessman doesn't speak absolutely clearly or that they speak in a roundabout way?
How else are you going to interpret the,
>I wish I could have reached more audiences who pay for the package.
part? Like you obviously know why people weren't paying for it, right? The manga was popular and the studio had sold far more with its Jujutsu Kaisen adaptation from a different director, so why did Chainsawman in particular not reach as many paying customers as they wanted?

what i love about this circus is that the fired director was probably not even trying to be controversial but on the contrary he tried to point out that he was faithful to the cinematic vibe of fujimoto's manga. but terminally online autismos went apeshit to defend MOE SLOP.
>muh bluray sales
different crowds. physical disc buyers tend to be the more autistic kind. Mappa ceo made a prolifically retarded business decision and /a/ (notorious third world pay for nothing board) sided with him... to defend moe slop. clown moment for the centuries.

>>281941316
It makes sense as the control devil to be all sweet and girly to string denji along.

>>281941531
no bro fujimoto's manga wasn't cinematic at all it was cartoon slop and that's why we hate the director hurrrr

I know this is a buzzword but Chainsaw man has pretty much No more Heroes/Scott Pilgrim tone in the manga, is wacky and colorful, it can be dumb but also have serious moments

Meanwhile the anime has pretentious written all over it
as other anon said the director went "oh Fujimoto is a westboo movie fan he surely like when i reference pulp fiction" when in reality Fujimoto talks and references movies like Spider-Man 2

>>281941550
I know you don't read the manga but she is supposed to be denji's metaphorical mother retardbro

>hates anime but makes anime
Good riddance, same as that whore director that made no game no life.
Run these westerncocksuckers out of the industry.

>>281941531
>he was faithful to the cinematic vibe of fujimoto's manga.
Except the manga didn't have a cinematic vibe, being the whole point. Did you even read the manga? It's camp, in your face, even a bit silly. It's over the top
Also that doesn't explain that he even told the seiyuu to deliver a performance as if they weren't voicing an anime

>>281941670
westerners love moe bot

>>281941766
>Except I will lie, being the whole point.
thanks to streaming and cinema tickets real fans matter more than ever because we pay. mappa ceo made the decision to be greedy and try to satisfy the autistic moe slop crowd that buys discs. it's like you don't know jp businessmen are prolific retards.

>>281936068
it's interesting how so many subhuman e-celeb expats (largely amerimutts) in japan have been able to monetize shitting on the country while living there for 10 years without learning the language and a social circle of only fellow gaijin
you don't really see people analyze sweden and swedes through the lens of the somalis living in their ghettos

>>281941906
>streaming
Doesn't translate to money directly into the studio's hands
>cinema tickets
For which, sorry? The film that's about to come out that has a different director?
>autistic moe slop
You keep saying this retarded line as if it makes any sense. All of the wacky and goofy faces from the manga were excluded from the anime. If you want to argue that the manga is moe slop, be my guest
Also the absolute hilarity of you saying this when another anon keeps complaining that Makima's seiyuu is famous for specifically voicing cute girls

>>281942180
>because its not moe
Do you think anime is all moe? He wanted them to voice it as if it was a movie instead of an anime despite it being an anime
>t.pic related
You're arguing in favour of the adapation removing the goofier things from the manga. Have you actually read it?

say what you will about the anime, but the EDs were kino.

chainsaw man season 1 is truly the aku no hana of modern anime. shame so many people don't get it

>>281925322 (OP)
Hopefully the S1 director never gets work in the industry again for completely fucking ruining the Chainsaw Man adaptation.

>>281942180
>redditjak
kill yourself faggot

>>281942243
>instead of an anime despite it being an anime
instead of a moe anime. despite it being an anime that's not moeshit. i know you are some third world barely literate brown person but please stop posting shit. for a single fucking second.

>>281932500
>How the fuck did it take them an entire season to realize Nakayama's approach was utterly retarded?

Too enthralled by Makina sexxxo

>>281941766
>the manga didn't have a cinematic vibe
>It's camp, in your face, even a bit silly. It's over the top
im starting to realise that no one involved in this debate actually watches films

>>281942378
>instead of a moe anime.
Not what Denji's seiyuu quoted him as saying

>>281925322 (OP)
sad, but good

>400 replies
>defending moeshit
/a/ you lost as always

>>281941669
I'm sorry your headcanon didn't become reality. Stop whining about it already.

>>281932500
MAPPA has a inferiority complex with hollywood, they want to make "serious","gritty", "cinematic" anime and picked chainsawman, that was supposedly a project too big to fail, to experiment with that.

>>281925322 (OP)
Ryu is making Roblox trailers. Now that is in trouble. Everyone Ryu touches dies.
>>281925406
It was a necessary sacrifice.

>>281942700
a lot of pretentious and insecure anime directors and producers have an inferiority compelx with hollywood, they don't realize that the reason why anime and manga are so popular and are even surpassing western media is because they re not like hollywood.

>>281941316
Yeah, a vast majority of people (correctly) wanted Miyuki Sawashiro to voice her. She would have been perfect for voicing Makima, instead of whoever that fucking idol nepotism hire they got to voice her.

>>281925322 (OP)
I find this situation so amusing from the hardcores that were all in on the Nakayama directing

Like universally, it is widely agreed that the Reze movie looks fantastic from an animation standpoint. No one is even saying the movie looks 'bad' or anything. By all accounts, the new style they're going with in the movie is widely liked. Yet at the same time, it's so very visibly different, even directly opposite, from the TV anime's style that they spent all this time defending that they have to somehow act like this isn't a complete 180 due to how it was initially received

If it was as simple as "I like both", that would be one thing, but they were saying that anybody who liked the TV anime's style was just wrong and it's what Fujimoto would want. It's just so funny.

>>281938373
>season 1 was awesome.
You didn't read the manga before you watched the anime and you're a newfag.
You probably hate anime as well, and watched around 10 if you're lucky.
You care about anitubers oinions.
I don't think I need to add anything.

>>281939253
My issue was in voice direction (not voices themselves), music, and overall tone. Much of the energy of the manga was completely sucked out. Compare episode 1 to chapter 1, the scene where child Denji meets Pochita. In the manga he's clearly emoting, he's not outright shouting, but he's speaking with firmness and asserting their deal because he sees a chance for both of them to live. In the anime, Marina Inoue's Denji sounds tired and weak and monologs the exact same lines. There's no force to it. This is common across many of the performances in the season. When you play your characters as bored or tired, your audience will feel the same in turn. The highs of CSM happen after season 1, but only a couple episodes really captured the same energy. No, I don't want it to be overly silly or add in a bunch of wacky visual gags. I want it to feel like the manga which already struck a great balance. They didn't need to change that balance, and attempting to do so prematurely completely ruins the juxtaposition of the later trauma.

>im not going to turn the ultra violent csm manga into cutesy akibacore maid moeshit
>hopeful new director says the most innocuous, harmless, non offensive thing ever
>spergs turn on him and applaud delusional mappa ceo
it's all so tiresome

>>281925322 (OP)
I think this guy is overhated, CSM early arcs aren't good anyway. 12 endings was unnecessary though.

>>281942642
>headcanon
nigger it's literally the author's word

>>281942700
The worst part for me is that MAPPA seems to know what the "right thing to do" is (based on the incredibly well-received CSM and SnK: FInal Season PVs) but then purposefully decide to fuck things up.
>>281942909
>from the hardcores that were all in on the Nakayama directing
There are none of those.
>the new style
The issue isn't really the style, is the execution. Nobody though S1 looked ugly, the issue was the animation was directed to purposefully ignore the physically that was in the manga. It was practically sabotage.
>>281943065
>Much of the energy of the manga was completely sucked out
Exactly, and that's why so many people deem the anime "pretentious". It was intentionally made with the notion that the manga was infantile and therefore the anime needed to make it more mature, almost as if the director hates the tone of the source material.

>>281942836
>>281942836
>Miyuki Sawashiro
would have been perfect

>>281930694
I hope you dont get into the world of cinema, you'd go insane watching any classics if this is what youre complaining about kek

So this entire thread is basically just performative pretentious faggots pretending they are le sophisticated and culture for attacking moe while defending slop for midwits? Watch some actually sophisticated media lmao

>>281925322 (OP)
BASED BC DIRECTOR
Saving csm form that dogshit zoomer director.

>>281925322 (OP)
CSMfags don't want an even more literal adaptation they want a million dollar glow-up from the ugly fucking manga art that resulted in the first season to begin with. Making it a literal adaptation without lying and remaking the art will just result in more asshurt CSMfaggotry. CSM looks bad in motion a production can only be as good as its concept source without a liberal reinterpretation of the setting.

>>281927346
The whole problem with CSM S1 was that everything looked amazing at all times, EXCEPT when there was a fight. They got the emotions better down than the manga did, sure. I actually felt something when characters died, unlike the manga where they did not matter. But after the emotional moments they pulled the shitty CGI from play station 1 era, ruining the feelings the emotional scene just before made rise up in the viewer. An orchestra building up for a chorus thats autotune farts kinda ruins the whole piece.

The whole point of CSM is that the main character is a dude with a chainsaw head who wants to get pussy and kill demons. And you proceed make all the fights dogshit. I will never understand what SLOPPA was thinking.

>>281930649
what a great duwang

>>281931841
>it was a bigger complaint to me than any amount of cgi
This is the anons you lurk with now

>>281943755
>CSMfags don't want an even more literal adaptation they want a million dollar glow-up from the ugly fucking manga art that resulted in the first season to begin with
You mean what MAPPA did with Jujutsu Kaisen?

>>281941766
>It's camp, in your face, even a bit silly. It's over the top
no fucking way! you mean it has violence, jokes and sensitive dramatic moments? that's awesome. thanks anon-kun for introducing me to anime, animation for edgy adults like me!
congrats you described 95% of shounen. also pls kys asap

>>281940510
>he made an expensive cinematic art project.
and almost tanked it so hard jjk season 2 barely got made on time

>>281943914
>ugly fucking manga
>Jujutsu Kaisen?
the bait. you posted it. we came.

>>281939502
why the fuck is everything dull grey?

>>281944332
Nakayama wanted to direct a hollywood movie

>>281932632
Unironically this. S1 felt like a long, drawn out prologe. It wasn't never as fast paced as I was expecting. The story was just starting to take shape, and we only got 3 big fights in the entire season. Denji vs The Bat Devil, and rounds 1 and 2 of Denji vs Katana Man. It made S1's finale feel anticlimactic.

>>281939646
Did your mom never told you first impressions are what matter the most?

>>281925322 (OP)
>desatured colors are ba-ACK

>>281943914
Probably who knows I thought season 1 was fine for both CSM and JJK. JJK s1 seemed just as faithful to me thanks to the defined and expressive manga art it has by comparison. People that didn't like CSM s1 are basically asking for the perfect reimagining of the manga without any of its flaws and without any mappa staffing fuckery. It's just delusional. You have people in these threads admitting most of the adaptation is good except this or that nitpick. Take it up with fuji for selling his manga rights to mappa.

The most retarded thing about S1 was the cutoff point after the Katana demon fight. It's like imagine if early Naruto had the first season cutoff point at the Zabuza fight, not even the final fight but Zabuza vs Kakashi and stopped production for half a decade.

>>281925447
>shartia pic
:retarded opinion
Is there more iconic duo?

>>281925322 (OP)
Good. Going "le cinematique" with the gloomy atmosphere and washed out colors was pants-on-head retarded especially when the manga championed B-movie schlock to convey its message in Part 1's climax. It really shows how the S1 director fundamentally misunderstood the source.

>>281945054
I always thought it was a risky move to end on the Katana Man arc when the plot only truly reached its biggest payoff in the Reze arc. I guess it's both a blessing and a curse because if S1 didn't fuck up, we wouldn't have gotten these revisions in the direction for the Reze film.

>>281944533
>Did your mom never told you first impressions are what matter the most?
first impressions of csm anime are insanely positive. the anime went absolutely viral. mappa benefited from all the success and like true greedy corporate men are throwing the talent in the trash to moe-fy the anime and capitalize even further.

>>281945673
>first impressions of csm anime are insanely positive
The first episode fucking sucked, everyone was shitting on the ps2 zombie fight

>>281925494
Normies are wrong. Always were. I trust /a/ more than Reddit or X

>>281945745
based, reminder normgroids eat slop like solo gookening

>>281936068
>STARTING to hate
then immediately after,
>They FINALLY get something right
so you didn't hate them before despite them apparently never being able to do anything right? wtf lol
always wandered what subhumans like you forget in places like this board btw, some kind of pathetic IRL tsundere moment?

>>281939119
Cinematography just refers to the way something is shot/framed. Everything in movies and tv is cinematic. Stop talking out your ass.

>>281925494
You mean annoying groids on twitter who get mad about fanservice lol

>moe-fy
Do words not mean anything to you faggots? There was nothing "moe" about the manga and there's nothing "moe" about the new Reze film unless you're somehow counting Reze acting all cutesy.

The manga always had a schlocky horror grindhouse visual to it accompanied by vibrant colors strongly emulating Pop Art for the volume art and color pages and the movie seems to be emulating just that. Pretending this is somehow "moe-fying" the anime is just plain retarded. Bait used to be more believable.

>>281944196
>congrats you described 95% of shounen
Yeah, it's almost like I'm saying that it should have gotten an adaptation in a similar way to a shounen instead of a director who wanted to adapt it as if it were some sort of serious movie

>>281943758
The fights themselves in the manga weren't particularly good outside of maybe some of the Reze fight. Pochita vs the weapon humans is good but it's also the weakest part of the arc because everything else is so good. An extended fight scene for a couple chapters isn't really advancing the plot, it's just stuff happening while the readers went "Oh, that's cool". But there wasn't much to discuss or talk about that furthered your understanding of the characters and world.

>>281947083
One thing is manga fights generally not being that good, another is completely axing the scene of the elevator demon fight in the anime for an off screen transition.

>>281942468
>>281927346
>>281943758
lifelike voice acting and cinematic anime can exist. Stuff like SSSS. Gridman exist. The problem is this fucker is adapting Chainsawman, one of the goofiest manga in existence.
I wouldnt have a problem if he did firepunch

>>281925322 (OP)
>based on that, we set out a direction to more actively carry over the expressiveness of the original drawings into the anime
>full on admitting season one is soulless

Please consult the chart before saying anything is or isn't "moe"

>>281946201
It's impossible to discuss this manga properly at all here it just attracts the biggest shit eating retards imaginable

>>281925896
kino

>>281932659
Holy sovlless...The new style looks so much more like the original manga

>Fujimoto's oneshots are all getting animated and released in November by multiple studios
>Goodbye Eri movie most likely in production
>CSM Season 2 getting announced at Jump Fest in December

Doomsisters...our narratives...1735..

>>281948626
Nakayama was banished.

>>281948626
>Doomsisters...our narratives...1735..
It's all in the back of Look Back being actually succesful.

>>281938914
How would a manga drawn to be a manga show pacing? It'd be the same fucking shit you retard

>>281948626
>first adaptation of his work butchers it the most
what a fucking mess season 1 was

S1fags in the dirt

>>281938706
>ritualposting
Is that a thing?

>>281950677
It's a coping euphemism for "generalfaggottry".

>>281933916
his studio has been getting a good amount of work recently for a new upstart
https://keyframe-staff-list.com/search?advancedSearch=0&q=andraft&action=staff

>>281951225
Because he's a Sony plant.

>>281936388
vgh.....desaturated colors.... KIIINOOOOOOOO

>>281948626
Nakayama was killed so that CSM might live.

>>281951368
I dunno man. Some of these aren't Aniplex productions. I see a bunch of shows that are produced by Kadokawa, Bandai Namco, and some others where his studio's name are on the credits.

>>281952357
Sony owns part of Kadokawa and bought more shares last year. Sony also bought more Bandai Namco shares recently.

>CTRL + F
>20 """normie"""
normalfag thread
/a/ is dead

>>281948626
Feels good to be a FUjimotGOD right now

>>281952616
you are just reaching at this point lmao, you think a minority stake means they can get a fledging studio work. Is Akiyuki Shinbo a Sony plant because SHAFT gets a ton of work from Aniplex?

i don't get why people are complaining about season 1, the animation was really good and even the cgi was used decently when it had to be. the characters looked realistic and it felt a lot more cinematic. and i feel like that can be part of the appeal of fujimoto's work. i do like the new style but the season 1 style was also pretty good. and it wasn't exactly a disaster of an adaptation like berserk or tokyo ghoul. it was really successful which is why we're getting a movie and one shot adaptations and possibly even more in the future.

>>281952803
Nskayama isn't going to duck your dick. SHAFT is an Anipelx slave studio.

>>281943575
>Exactly, and that's why so many people deem the anime "pretentious". It was intentionally made with the notion that the manga was infantile and therefore the anime needed to make it more mature, almost as if the director hates the tone of the source material.
Sounds like they should be netflix writers.

>>281931500
>We need more stuff like Demon Slayer

so how back are we
or are we still grim and mouthbreathing

>>281952933
We never left
Only retards think it's over

>>281952869
I'm not looking for anything anon, I'm just looking at the facts and making reasonable assumptions based on what is presented.

>>281952806
People are just doomcucks, man

>>281952803
>>281952961
Kadokawa and Bandai have used Sony affiliates for music etc so using a specific animator or studio isn't something difficult to do.

>460 posts
>same anons talking amongst themselves
we desperately need ip counter back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_mikgm_GxY

>>281938951
This looks like shit

>>281953044
this is retarded logic that you can use for anyone as Sony's reach on the industry is massive, thus it doesn't prove anything, For instance, Keiichiro Saito was on an Aniplex production (Bocchi the Rock at CloverWorks) then went to MADHOUSE for Frieren, oh what's that? Aniplex is on the production committee? Oh, Sony plant! Doesn't prove shit.

>>281953227
Did he form his own studio where a bulk of his work came from Sony too?

>>281953327
No, but not all of Andraft's work came from Sony, and as stated before, your attempts to link their work outside of Aniplex to Sony to prove your point doesn't prove shit.

>>281930711
one of the only ways the studio gains revenue. i dont understand why they dont just plop in a figurine and sell it for 200$ a pop overseas. collectors market would go crazy

>>281952806
It was never a question of animation quality (besides when cg was used kek), rather it was the gloomy "muh realistic" direction.
>and i feel like that can be part of the appeal of fujimoto's work
See >>281931053

>>281953421
The OP/EDs he has done so far and FGO are Sony. Kadokawa and Bandai can be Sony too. He's a plant.

>>281939253
>I still don't get it, what exactly was the problem with Nakayama's direction?
it's not the best but nothing wrong with it
japs are just resistant to change (their live action and tv industry are creatively dead because of that)

>>281953514
I accept your concession.

>>281953564
Right a brand new studio with a disgraced director immediately gets work from one big corpo. Not everyone is as naive or blind.

>>281939253
>I still don't get it, what exactly was the problem with Nakayama's direction?
To summarize? The direction was too gloomy and muted, where everything was seemingly restrained for the sake of realism. This isn't to say that CSM can't have moments like that, but it shouldn't be the predominant direction. You might ask "what exactly would you have wanted?" Well a lot of the EDs are commonly cited as evoking the tone of the manga far better than the actual episodes themselves especially when it came to the visuals. I don't have the comparsion pic on me, but it's like night and day when you compare ED3 against similar scenes in the anime. Even the color grading matches the original Pop Art style of the colored art of the manga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEwAiwttN10

>>281939253
>>281954294
Also the comparison to the EDs isn't even speculation at this point when the interview in OP specifically cites how they've looked at the EDs as inspiration for the new direction.

>>281954294
The OP was tonally dissonant too. It was hilarious watching whacky upbeat hijinks and then getting dumped into gloomy atmospheric character moments or mundane tasks.

>>281939253
It wanted to be cinema without being competent anime first. That's about it. It completely ditched the traditional strengths of animation in favour of a novel visual approach that didn't work out. Way too ambitious for its own sake. And when people try something new and it utterly fails, they get shit on. Is it fair? Not really. But the direction of Chainsaw Man was definitely embarrassing. Kinda felt like a vanity project that was more interested in realising the director's vision than it was preoccupied with actually delivering a competent adaptation. It's a shame for the double reason that they definitely had the budget to produce greatness and the failed bet on young blood to lead the project.

>>281954294
Theres scenes that are gloomy that work well given the context, then other scenes that arent.
Things being restrained in an anime landscape where studios dont seem to have a clue about whats appropriate hyper shit and whats not is probably a good idea a lot of the time. Being appropriately reserved creates a contrast for when something wacky happens, or character freaks out and you have a pleasurable emotional change between scenes.

>>281932720
YES!, they changed her whole character, or I should say, never actually understood her at all and tried to make her some kind of fucking standard tsundere heroine or something.

Liking season 1 is the most reddit opinion I've ever seen. I've never seen such toxic positivity towards a flawed product that wasn't able to capture the feel of the original creator

>>281954721
Yep. It's hard for animeonlies to understand but the OP and EDs did a LOT to carry the manga's tone and visual styling back into the episodes.

>>281954919
Like I said, it's not as if CSM can't moments like that but having consume the whole series actually removes a lot of the impact of certain scenes and the dynamism of the story. Power's flashback in the show is actually a good example where the restrained and moody direction shines, but its impact isn't nearly as felt when the rest of the show already started out that way.

>>281944536
Blood, murder death?

>reddit is literally seething over the comments
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/s/08XX9UcXJh

>>281936200
Terrible comparison when only 12 episodes were released

>>281956866
>it NEEDS 24 episodes to be popular
no, retard. It needs to be good.

>>281936614
Bring in Coco.

>>281956741
nobody fucking cares retard

>>281955059
Well as proven by >>281956741 for some reason having valid criticism over beloved popular manga that had botched anime adaption is 'wrong'. It's weird, I know.

>>281943575
>decide to fuck things up
How can you blame them for AoT final season? That's 100% the manga's fault for shitting the bed so hard.

>>281941316
Nope, she can do seductive characters well too like Viper from Nikke.

>Movierotten guy tells the studio animating it to make it as movierotten as possible, down to making the OP full of movie references
>AIEEEEEE IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT SAKUGA ONIICHAN TASUKETEEEE AIIEEEEEEEE

>>281930711
>not own physical media
lol
lmao even

>>281957958
I CARE

>>281941642
Yeah, CSM is somewhat a mix of No More Heroes and Killer7 tone wise, the manga in both parts know when to be a dark comedy and when take itself seriously.

>>281958762
>both parts know when to be a dark comedy and when take itself seriously.
Part 2 does NOT know how to do that. Shut the fuck up.

>>281943065
About the voice direction, the movie went full symbiote/venom voice type with the hybrids full time, you can notice Denji and Reze talking like more demonic because S1 had this aspect tone down and wasn't even used in some scenes.

>>281925896
Pottery. I'm literally crying.

>>281958790
Part 2 does that for example Pochita asking for blood donation and Denji making quips.

>>281936200
Trvthnvke, eternal reminder jjk's pre-anime sales were smaller than csm's. The dragon killed the ip.

>hear the hype about csm
>watch first episode, it's fine
>watch second episode, this is rough
>third episode done, it's complete ass
>everyone says it's the best
>Completely disregard it and stay away from csm, look back later and people hate it
Anyone that likes this or finds the mc 'relatable' is a fucking faggot, legitimately find a new hobby. Why the fuck did you retarded faggots pretend to like it?

>>281925494
The majority of anime Watchers who only do it because it's popular have absolutely shit opinions on series and endings. The fact that the attack on Titan ending was so highly appraised along with the CGI Titans to the point people would fight to the death claiming that MAPPAs animation is better than WITs is proof. Modern audiences do not know good from bad. Any form of criticism towards any types of show results in you being treated like the ultimate Evil. You're not allowed to be pessimistic or nihilistic about anything. You can't have criticisms. Everything was perfect

Akiba-kei won
Nakayama lost

>>281958929
That pochita gag was fucking lame end your life

>>281958639
Anime is anime, if you want hollywood goyslop then fuck off to >>>/tv/