Thread 283166222

Jack has recently been posited as the polar opposite of Hanayama who is all inborn strenght an aesthetics. While fighting him, Mushashi saw an overwhelming whitness. "Nothing".

I think in Jack he would see "everything". Likely portrayed as a snapshot from a chaotic field of battle of his time. Everything happening all at once and none of it pretty or memorable. Sick and wounded men dying, ancient gunpowder weaponry going off, peasants stabbing one another with spears. The "true" nature of combat. Jack, even moreso than even Motobe will use every trick in the book to gain strenght. Let us not forget, he would even show his asshole if it meant winning.

Furthermore, Jack's introduction in Rahen parallels that of Mushashi in Dou. He fights the same jobber swordsmaster, he goes on to challenge the same castmembers as Mushashi did. His Goudou is a threat on the level of prime Mushashi, so more than anything, he would acknowledge Jack as his fellow "warrior", as in, a combatant unburdened by aesthetics, seeking only to "bite" the way Mushashi "cuts".

>>283166639
Jacksissies be like.
>Yeah, he's going to win even if he has to forsake aesthetics! He'll even show his ass if he needs to! My fuarking hero!
The second he actually forsakes aesthetics and looks like a bum inna fight instead of no-diffing:
>I-is that, my biting "hero" looking lame? The way he said he would?! No, no no no .. it just can't be! My "hero" would never come out of a fight looking bad! Even though it's HIS ENTIRE ETHOS..... A-AIEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME STANDING MAN!!!

>>283166222 (OP)
Interesting analysis, but if you're taking your premise to its logical conclusion, Musashi in front of Jack would see a black landscape. A different type of emptiness. Jack is a fighter born from despair.

>His Goudou is a threat on the level of prime Mushashi, so more than anything, he would acknowledge Jack as his fellow "warrior", as in, a combatant unburdened by aesthetics, seeking only to "bite" the way Mushashi "cuts".

I strongly disagree with this. Jack is still far from being on Musashi/Yujirou's level, and he uses biting as a means to an end (winning), whereas Musashi cuts because he likes cutting.

>>283166727
I wasn't talking in powerscaling terms, it's more about the storytelling angle. His fight with the swordsman and subsequent Pickle match really does mirror Mushashi's revival.
He is the same kind of a "threat" that has been unleashed on the Bakiworld.
In terms of scaling Mushashi was potentially above Yujiro, so Jack probably wont get there until the end of his journey, if ever.

>Uses biting as a means to an end (winning), whereas Musashi cuts because he likes cutting.
Imho that makes him akin to Mushashi still. He did enjoy himself, but it was also the way he went about getting fame/riches/fun. Been a while since ive read Dou, but i recall Mushashi talking about his cutting in terms of goal-aquisition on a few occasions.

>>283166639
jacksissies… how come we aren’t given the ein we’ve earned…?

>>283166834
Musashi enjoys the act of murder, much that he does the larp about his glory. He could get infinite glory by just existing and going on TV shows, but the first thing he does in one is the sociopath mode of thinking how to kill people around him, he is shown in the past being equally murderous with the headwear chapter where he cuts a dude in half.
Musashi's ideology can be defined in simplistic terms as:
"Musashi enjoys killing people with his sword"->"this is good and righteous because he is rewarded for it", even in the modern time his way of acquiring validation MUST be through murder with a sword.

Jack doesn't particularly seem to enjoy bitting, it is just a strong strategy that he has minmaxxed for because nobody really can defend against it AND his retard level striking and good grappling.

>>283167108
There’s an art to swordsmanship. Bisecting someone with a single blow is impressive, intimidating, and beautiful. Almost no one can do that, both in-setting and in real life.

Biting is what your little sister does after you twist her nipple. Jack is your little sister upset you can violate them at any moment and they can’t stop you.

>>283167212
Itagaki... Is that you..?

>>283167212
I know. That's why I said it only works because jack is already a retarded tier strong fighter. Anyone else bitting an opponent is going to be annoying but not really threatening.

>>283167355
When has the biting worked. Post the panel where Jack won against an opponent where biting was necessary for his victory.

>>283167407
The recent fight with Hanayama. His debut against Sukune.

>>283167407
Sukune, Hanayama.
Vs Pickle too, albeit that was mostly working in pickle's favor lmao.

>>283167453
Give me your location so I can rape you in the ass, if you’re this insistent on acting the faggot in this discussion.

>>283167476
Yujirou-sama!!!

>>283167212
>>283167476
… itagaki-sama…??

>>283166706
Jack won though. That's all that matters in the end.

>>283167528
The narrator getting sassy for no reason was incredible desu.

In the end, Sukune left the series completely undefeated

>vs Baki (round 1): interrupted, but Sukune showed his superiority
>vs Oliva: curbstomp
>vs the street oozeki: easy win
>vs the yokozuna: instant, effortless victory
>vs Jack: got Jack to accept defeat
>vs Yujiro: Yujiro abandoned the arena while Sukune was still standing. Sukune won.
>vs Oliva (round 2): Oliva cheated, he said so himself. Sukune won.
>vs Baki (round 2): Baki cheated, he said so himself. Sukune won.

>>283167635
Have you ever sat down anon?

>>283167476
This is why I love baki

>>283167476
Unironically i'm bi so under the right circumstances, would.
Of course then it wouldnt be rape.

Also central euro.

>>283167811
Your asshole better be whistling a gospel tune and that rectum better be cleaner than a preacher’s rectory if I’m going to be traveling to a Polish shithole to use my wood to recreate the Katyn Forest Massacre with your intestines, suka.

>>283166222 (OP)
The problem is that Jack is actually burdened by aesthetics deep inside. And his arc will either end with him accepting that part of self or with him discarding it somehow.

>>283167945
Thats just gross.

>discussion about baki
>incredibly gay shit
pick both

>>283167945
G-garland...?!

>>283167945
not gonna lie this poetry is gettin me stiff

>>283167945
Sikorsky-kun....

>>283167945
put me in the screen cap

>>283167945
Kek.

>>283167945
how come 4chan can keep coming up with shit like this

Supposed that Retsu had defeated Baki in the semi finals of the Maximum Tournament (as he should have).
Could he have defeated Jack in the finals?

>>283169301
I think at that point in the series Shibukawa > Retsu and Jack mid-diffed the aikido user.
In general he has high battle IQ so he could probably win against Retsu regardless, albeit not as easily as Baki has.

>>283167635
>In the end, Kehaya left the series completely undefeated
Fixed. Sorry for the mistake

>>283169301
>(as he should have)
lol no
Retsu lost the minute Baki got serious.
Jack could have taken a shit on Retsu if he wanted.
A better question is if Retsu could have beaten Kureha.

>>283167108
this is way oversimplifying it. his thinking is a result of his original place and time. he doesn't understand the modern world or what a talk show even is. he definitely enjoys cutting people, dueling, that sort of thing, but it's not sociopathy, it was the basis of his entire role in his culture.

there's a difference between being born in first world suburbia and going "god i wanna cut people to death", and coming from a time where sanctioned killing wasn't just acceptable, it was honorable, the basis of his career and lifestyle.

>>283169560
Kureha's body is likely better but not really that better compared to Retsu's, and while he has superior anatomical knowledge Retsu just dunks on him in terms of technique.
As much as Jack was an unstoppable juggernaut during MT I don't think he'd have it easy against MT Retsu either, then again MT Retsu was vastly overestimating himself and probably got even more careless due to his easy victory against Katsumi so he might probably get blitzed hard by Jack if he didn't want to humor him like he did with Garland, Jack's real feat during the MT was getting to the finals with next to no damage whatsoever compared to everyone else.

>>283169560
retsu would dunk kureha no problem, this is obvious. retsu is regularly portrayed as the best of the bakibros.

>>283169920
>retsu would dunk kureha
Kureha almost beat baki.
He only lost because Yujiro asked him to let baki get a free hit.
And that was a only a month before the MT.
I think the strength difference makes it close

Minimum Tournament when

>>283167635
this is the level of delusion I can admire

>>283169560
>Retsu lost the minute plot demanded
fixed that

>>283170051
Then the real question is if Retsu could defeat Zulu

Do you guys think motobe san can PROTECT sendo from the absolute godly shitting he is receiving from ricardo-sama?

>>283167945
hot

>>283170322
Supposedly Sendo is finally going to do something, George posted some of the drafts for the next chapter, so Motobe would sit that one out.

>>283167945
straightest baki poster

>>283170051
kureha didn't almost beat baki at all. he couldn't even wake baki up. baki literally could not fully try until retsu gave him a reason.

>>283169801
It is, there is more colors to it other than what I said, but as said, an extreme simplification. My primary point is that he doesn't yearn for fame but to cut, the fame is just the validation for his action.

He also refuses to change, which is why I say the sociopathic thing, and also why he comes into conflict with Baki.

>>283169846
On hindsight, it is impressive how little Retsu actually learned, he got worse if anything.

>>283171409
Retsu's an odd character in the cast in that despite his age he doesn't really grow technically or physically but only mentally.
Whereas Baki, Jack or Katsumi learn new techniques or come up with new stuff rather regularly throughout the manga, Retsu only really learns Xiaori from Kaku right before he's about to die, even during the boxing arc he doesn't really learn new stuff as much as he's getting used to fighting with a peg leg, on the other hand he has a massive mental and emotional growth compared to most of the cast, which is odd because usually that's something Itagaki does for the old fellows like Doppo or Gouki.
When you look back at all the previous arcs it feels rather strange, Retsu feels surprisingly static as a fighter but as a character he's one of the most compelling when it comes to growth, it's probably why he's so beloved despite starting out as an absolute jackass and ending as one of the most affectionate and cherished bros.

>>283167945
Anon...

>>283171237
>My primary point is that he doesn't yearn for fame but to cut, the fame is just the validation for his action.
he likes to cut, and he likes to rise by cutting. he adores fame and adulation, we have had multiple scenes specifically about how much he loves praise and rewards.

>He also refuses to change, which is why I say the sociopathic thing, and also why he comes into conflict with Baki.
change how? he doesn't comprehend any of this new world. the nature of the world around him is barely comprehensible. you tell him "you can't just kill people" and you may as well be saying that the sky is actually made of cheese.

>>283171729
Could be because chinese martial arts are "complete".
The karatekas are in the infancy of their craft, the five hundred and first year. Retsu has done all you could possibly do with chinese kenpo, and so his growth is mostly about the relationship he has with it.

>>283167945
No homo, right?

>>283171729
The thing about Retsu is that he embodies taking pride in the breadth and depth of his skills. In the Baki world, kung fu's various branches aren't just made-up bullshit and sufficient skill and discipline can make just about anything effective. Theoretically, Chinese martial arts already have a technique for everything across their myriad schools and Retsu's considered such a master that he's familiar with pretty much all of them to a degree. He lacks a few specific skills, but he's so adaptive that he can come up with a move to emulate just about anything. There's a reason he talks about how complete Chinese martial arts are. The biggest thing lacked until later in the story was Kaku's Xaori, but apart from that he has a ton of practical and esoteric skills at his disposal. Growing in maturity and understanding was far more important to his character than actually gaining new skills since he's always been a mystery box of seemingly endless techniques.

>>283171729
Retsu isn't that young desu.
I'd say his mental state got worse as the chip on his shoulder grew, eventually leading him to basically committing suicide by Musashi.

>>283171826
He could get his fame and wealth via doing interviews, non-death fights, writing books, etc... He actively choses to climb by cutting at ALL costs.
I think we get Musashi at the zenith of his career rather than late stage Musashi when he is old and more spiritual too, which is interesting.

>>283172086
But chinese martial are entering their 4,001st year

>>283173081
To be fair so far they are still panning out better than the five hundred and first year of karate.

>>283173166
Fucking mogged

>>283173166
Eeeh, I dunno, I think Baki just got lucky this time. Katou should try again

>>283173311
The moment you stop doubting, you're no longer a practicioner of the martial arts.

Yujiro hasn't done anything in the last couple chappies. Mayhaps Suedo is now at his level? We'll never know u til another walking through the city chapter.

Always doubt, and when in doubt, doubt more.

>>283172826
>Retsu isn't that young
This
Young characters in baki don't get face detail

Best thread on /a/ right now.
Baki is like an autism particle aggregator

I think Jack will fight Motobe at some point, he's partly responsible for Jack reviewing his style after all
I wonder if Jack beating Motobe will lead to Hanada fighting Jack since for some reason he's being hyped up

>>283172826
I think he was around 30.
A good deal older than Katsumi, but still a sizeable gulf between him and guys like Doppor or Shibukawa.
As for the chip on his shoulder, it's really a matter of perspective. His mentality opened up more and his understanding of his own pride broadened along with it as time went on, but he also descended into increasingly more dangerous spaces to seek out the thrill of challenge and to continue to prove himself and affirm that pride. He knew that Musashi was too much for him, but the changes he went through after Pickle inspired him to give it his all for his one true passion. For better or worse, he died doing what he loved, but had he not gone so far in that direction he could have lived to continue guiding others along the path of discipline and helped in Katsumi's endeavor even more as a mentor.
He forsook the future for the sake of his own ambition.

>>283173953
>tfw all of the Shinshinkai dudes cripple themselves on the main cast because they doubt their cred

DoubtGODS... Are strong.

It's been literal decades and we still have no idea what pic related was about.
Obviously it doesn't make sense to address it in the manga at this point but in the decades since this page was published not a single soul has mentioned it to itagaki in an interview?
I know it was implied to be Kureha but I want a definitive answer from the man himself.

>>283176653
Ghost of Yuichiro

>>283176653
It was Kozue

>>283176653
Early Yujiro was a different animal.
Remember that time the strongest creature personally endorsed this loser then killed him before the arc was even finished?
I would also love to hear what Itagakis thought process was for all these weird dropped plot lines.

>>283177238
>Remember that time the strongest creature personally endorsed this loser then killed him before the arc was even finished?
From the beginning, that was just a lesson for Baki: "don't be a moralfag like this guy".

Does jack count as a 'potential man'?

>>283177238
Remember that time he stopped an earthquake with a punch

>>283177403
No that’s Pickle.

>>283177422
Pickle got brutally powercrept by the narrative. He's still an S tier and basically on par with Yujiro. Itagaki just made him fight people who were potentially Yujiro tier. See, Baki who won against Yujiro, Mushashi from whom Yujiro had to be saved and Jack who was recognized as STRONG by Yujiro. He all but tried to initiate Strongest Father v Son 2 at the restaurant, meaning Jack is ready to contend with him.

When's the new chapter?

>>283167945
I'm fucking dying

>>283176653
Door was just locked, Yujiro is a retard

>>283177238
Why was Amanai's fighting style so different in the anime
In the manga he was this cool weird grappler, in the anime he just magically t-poses through opponents

>>283177805
>In the manga he was this cool weird grappler,
Was he? I seem to remember aerial kicks being his thing.

>>283177753
29th

>>283175356
and accelerator

>>283177611
Pickle has the Worf effect bad

>>283175652
Retsu almost feels like a wasted character for dying and the story still continuing on, sometimes I can't help but think about what Retsu's opinion on all of what's happening would be and how he would approach it
I hope we get more of Katsumi incorporating 4000 years into his Karate

>>283177407
That part was all bluster to begin with. Yujiro loves to ride the line between bullshit and mythological bullshit via raw self-assured ego.

>>283179635
>Ancient Sumo was already surpassed 4000 years ago, Sukune!

>>283179635
Retsu had so much charisma I’m shocked at just how wasted he became, to the point where even casuals were asking if worm Retsu on the hospital bed was real just because of how weak he’d been in the story.

>>283182550
I almost want to say Itagaki just got bored of Retsu and his 4000 YEARS shtick and decided to get rid of him in a way that would fit the current story he was writing
It's a real waste considering the most consistent Martial artists in Baki are a bunch of Karate Chumps, so the variety sorta drops afterwards. It's not like Jyaku or Kaku are going to come back any time soon and do anything cool anymore

>>283177403
Jack won most of the fights he got into and he's acknowledged by everyone as a top tier so no

>>283182752
If he got bored of Retsu how come Retsu got isekai’d? Checkmate, gweilo.

>>283166834
Jack really isn't framed as being a "threat" in the same way as Musashi is though. If anything, Jack was presented as being much more dangerous than he is now during the maximum tournament. All he really does with his biting is make people bleed out, which is a non-injury in the Bakiverse.

>>283167945
HOLY SHIT GEEEEEEEG

>>283166222 (OP)
nortubel tier body proportions

>>283183826
Let’s see what you consider “good body proportions”, Da Vinci.

>>283182948
Everyone else recognized killing Retsu as a mistake so Retsu gets his own isekai manga

Can someone explain this page to me

>>283184809
If Jack had fallen from the top floor, he would have completely ruined the pavement.

>>283184828
Just seems like there's more to it than Jack's concern for public property, you know?

>>283184873
A normal person would die from such a fall, or at least be concerned about their own safety.

>>283184939
It kind of feels like Jack achieved some epiphany from that moment though

>>283184990
The real answer is one of two interpretations:
1) He would have ruined the pavement by having his blood and guts spill all over them. He realizes he’s not as indestructible as he believed after being thrown and he’s going to be more mindful of his body’s safety in the future.
2) He would have ruined the pavement by leaving a bigger crater. Jack believes he’s indestructible and is going to be even more reckless in the future because he can’t be harmed nearly as much as he can harm others.

>>283185031
I think Jack has a lot of respect for the world that made him and hooked him up with every kind of steroid and is concerned that his strength could inflict harm upon it

>>283185286
As long as you don’t operate heavy machinery you are free to think that.

>>283167945
lost

>>283167476
>>283167811
>>283167945

>>283185302
Jack is a son of god, he respects all living and concrete things

>>283184809
I thought that was just him marvelling at Yujiro finally recognizing him as worthy of fighting, an equal to Baki etc. The same fall hadn't killed his brother, he would've ruined the pavement had he fallen

>>283185415
Does Jack expose his asshole to the sun every morning?

>>283184809
Is the pavement that strong, really?

>>283184990
>>283184809
I think this implies Jack is looking into glider augments

>>283185749
Okay now this is based

>>283173166
If Baki hadn't played the paper right at this moment, he would have been taken out for sure. Katou... was awesome

>>283185474
>Is the pavement that strong, really?

I think concrete...is weak

>"That" concrete?
>Yes.
>"That" dull.
>"That" old
>"That" ubiquitous
>Piece of concrete...

>>283185749
>The Ancient Greeks were the first Europeans to explore the world around them. The most notable of them was a boy named Alexander the Great.
>Alexander had his father, Phillip, killed, and took his crown for himself. Alexander believed that his true father was the God of the Storms, Zeus, and in his father’s name conquered the entire world the Greeks knew.
>They even say he wept when he had no more worlds to conquer. In reality… he wept when he was defeated by a coterie of Jomon wanderers, who sought to challenge the world not for worldly treasures, but personal enlightenment.
>The Jomon had warned Alexander of his defeat. When they heard of Zeus, they misheard it as “Susanoo”. They then called Alexander “Takeminakata”, and laughed.
>Enraged, Alexander challenged them to a personal duel. One of the Jomon gladly accepted, and called himself “Takemikazuchi”.
>It was as if the kami themselves fought that day, and it ended the same: The Jomon crushed Alexander’s arm like a reed using a martial art unheard of by Greece: Sumo.
>Defeated and humiliated, Alexander fell into a depression, and died far from home. History says he starved himself from the loss of his male lover, for that is less humiliating to Greece than the defeat of their hero by the wandering Jomon.
>However, Greece did have some humility. From the Jomon they learned sumo, which devolved under the Greeks into Greco-Roman wrestling.
>This was performed by the Greeks at their Olympic Games to honor their gods.
>One god was the God of the Sun, Helios.
>According to the Greeks, Helios burned the wax wings of a boy named Icarus, because he did not heed his father’s warnings about flying too close to the sun.
>The wax holding the feathers together melted, and Icarus fell to his death.
>So, too, did Jack Hanma fall, as blood gummed up the mechanism holding his glider together.
>For Jack did not listen to his father’s warnings of asking Hector Doyle’s mechanist to operate on him.

>>283185938
its like itagaki is here with us

Do NOT look up Hanayama's win record

>>283185977
Including Gaidens

>>283166222 (OP)
Against Musashi, he's just asking to get his head cut-off or straight down the middle, he'd be lucky if all he lost was his jaw.
Jack is not a serious "warrior", he's only a fighter.

1. Musashi
2. Yujiro
3. Baki
4. Jack
5. Hanayama
6. Kaku Kaiou
7. Oliva
8. Gerry Stydum
9. Pickle
10. Doppo

>>283186100
>Hanayama above Kaku Kaioh
I want to see the matchup.

>>283186100
This list is irrefutable

>>283166222 (OP)
Who cares about fightfrauds after Motobe exposed them all as fodder before warriorGODS?

>>283186433
Jack will have his revenge

I love Musashi.

did nobody dump the latest chapter?

>>283187610
There was a chapter after Baki shook hands with whats his face?

>>283182948
Itagaki isn't the one making the isekai? I hope that helps, anon.

Is this a Baki reference?

>>283187819
It’s a Van Damme reference.

>>283187703
yeah

Now that the Grappler Baki official eng hard copy did alright will there be hope for a English Garouden?

>>283184514
>>283182948
Retsu Isekai is my favorite comedy manga.
I like the increasingly stupid ways he fights things.

>>283167945
is the same person literally replying to this just to seem edgy

>>283188188
>>283188215
Hahaha
fuck

>>283167945
We desperately need a new chapter itagaki....

>>283186100
The armed Musashi that lost to Baki? That guy is #1?

>>283184809
>The pavement? I would have no-diffed it
>... I just don't wanna

>>283166222 (OP)
My jobber...

>>283188719
>"lost"
>2v1 sneak attack
Baki would've had to lower himself to Musashi's standards to win a fair match and he fucking knew it.

>>283188753
…Pickle.

>>283188756
He was about to kill a knocked out Musashi but spared him

>>283188756
Musashi lost to Baki and Motobe

>>283189007
Warriors like Motobe are in a tier of their own. The rest of the cast is just playfighting.

Motobe with prep time is the strongest.
Even yujiro got protected against his will.

>>283188958
Killing Musashi proves Musashi is right.

>>283188719
Now that you mention it, that Musashi guy sounds like a fraud. Surely he's not that tough

>>283189348
Katou posting makes me laugh every time.

>>283169301
No lol, Retsu is too cocky, he thought that as long as it is not the neck he will always have a counterattack to it, he would be chewed alive by Jack with that mindset

>>283189388
Every time I see doubtposting the image of that pose pops up in my mind

>>283179635
Not really, his death against Musashi was done right. Remember he still feel grief over being unable to put his all against Pickle, as in he wasn’t willing to face death to win
The boxing arc was him slowly coming to term that he is not perfect , and against Musashi he was able to overcome the mental barrier that is his own fear. Sad that it turned into cockiness but he have always been an unruly cocky child (read his debut). Itagaki didn’t just randomly kill him off for fun

>>283184809
He is admitting that he wouldn’t survived it like Baki did, he would just turn into a pile of flesh on the pavement

Kind of crazy how the only way to win against Musashi is to fucking murder him on first attack. If you let him live after 2 attacks then you are fucked, he would already figured it all out and you will not get a chance to touch him again
Baki took years perfecting the super cockroach dash only for Musashi to “see it coming” the 2nd time he pull it

>>283190073
I mean, Musashi aims to do the same in any serious fight.
Maybe actually battle instead of play fighting?

>>283190246
I just like to think how impressive it is, despite being a fighting manga, Musashi is the first one to truly have battle instinct. Everyone started with a fixed skill set, but Musashi quite literally just came up with things as he learn all the movement of his opponent, so he is super flexible
Vs Hanayama for example, the first hit Musashi get to see Hanayama fighting method, the second one (when he tried to cut through his forearm), he get to feel how tough Hanayama is. That alone let him devise a perfect strategy to make him kneel

>>283190405
Remember that Musashi isn't "I'm in actual, meaningful danger" Musashi but "Fucking around, playin' and training" Musashi.
Even vs Motobe he was mostly training and saw Motobe as a really good training mate, rather than a threat.

>>283176653
>It's been literal decades and we still have no idea what pic related was about.

>>283167945
Straightest bakibro

>>283167945
YOU GAY NIGGA

>>283190246
>I mean, Musashi aims to do the same in any serious fight
That’s the problem, Musashi never took anyone seriously. He was just curious

>>283190525
I miss this Yujiro, the current one is cool but at this moment in the story Itagaki legit wrote him like he is a comedic relief. Yujiro back then is like
>AHHHHHHHHH I AM THE STRONGEST FIGHT ME
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FISHING NET WHAT THE FUCK LET ME GO
>WHAT THE FUCK I CAN'T OPEN THE DOOR
>AIEEEEEEEEE DOPPO-SAMA THAT HURT
I think he got hit with midlife crisis

>>283184809
>getting praise from Yujiro multiple times now
What else is he after?

>>283191128
Strenght

>>283185934
>>283185877
>>283185849
>>283185474
KEK

>>283167945
this shit is like getting hit by a hidden technique unexpectedly

>>283191740
Goudou's first hidden technique, biting with your anus

>>283192191
>During the Colonial Americas, Europeans would import captured African soldiers to the fledgling United States.
>These warriors, proud and fierce, were subjected to the most cruel physical punishments possible.
>Whipping, stoning, forcing them to work in fields under a scorching sun, and carrying loads equal or greater than their body weight were common treatments of these forced slaves.
>Yet, not a single African warrior wept nor pleaded, for these challenges made them stronger, faster, and more powerful.
>It wasn’t until General Toussaint Louverture, a self-taught tactical genius and former slave, began and succeeded with his Haitian Revolution that the Americans realized their mistake.
>They had imported and stupidly conditioned a foreign fighting force within their own territory.
>Mere hours before the African soldiers could fight for their liberty, Southern plantation owners attempted to dehumanize and conquer the Zulu fighting spirit.
>The white men called it… “buck breaking”.
>By forcing men to submit, the rebellion that had been planned in the United States was quelled… for a time.
>Frederick Douglass, a black American and abolitionist, eventually served as the United States Minister to Haiti.
>While there, he begged the Haitians to reveal the secret of their success in earning their freedom.
>”It is simple… to counter buck breaking…”
>”… one must learn how to bite… with their ass.”
>To this day, black men jealously guard their secret defense.
>But, how could Jack Hanma learned this technique…?!
>”I’m a combat genius…”
>”After I dropped the soap the second time, I immediately knew and mastered biting with my ass.”
>”No one’s going to fuck me ever again…!”

>>283167945
why are russians so goddamn fucking gay
asking as a russian here

Jack will unlock his demon back soon btw

Strong boys doing strong things

>>283193440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOGlzopOOr0

>>283176037
>cliffhanger on the most one sided match in the world into a break
Sandwich...is strong

>>283193433
demon ass

>>283194650
Canon

>There is one event that has left a strong impression on my memory.
>That was in 2014 when I spoke to Itagaki-sensei, author of Grappler Baki.
>At the time, Itagaki-sensei was finally ready to relaunch the Baki series and start a new series after a year long break. To the surprise of fans, the serialization of Baki-do, which revives 'Musashi Miyamoto' using cloning technology and pits him against modern-day Baki and his friends, has begun.
>One day, over the phone, I was suddenly asked:
>Mr. Itagaki: "Saito-chan, Do you know what Halo 4 is?"
>Saito: "Eh...?You mean that foreign game...?"
>Mr. Itagaki: "Yeah, yeah, yeah... that Halo background art. It's amazing. I'd love to incorporate it into Baki!"
>Saito: "……!!?"
>Mr. Itagaki "So, I' m going to revive Musashi Miyamoto, aren't I? Can you make the underground facility there like Halo? I'll send you the setting references now."
>I was immensely impressed by so much. Halo is indeed a very well-known overseas title, but in Japan it had not yet become a big topic of conversation, and even more so when Itagaki-sensei, who was almost 60 years old at the time, was impressed by Halo's game graphics and decided to use it.
Halo is strong...

What is strong?
It was never explained to us. "Strong is beautiful", but is strong an aspect of beauty inherently to anything else that is beautiful? Is a painting or a sculpture strong just as it's beautiful? Is the strongest father and child fight also the most beautiful? "Being strong is marvelous", yet, what is "marvelous"? Is strong a concept by itself or is it an amalgamation of other parts? When one is strong, he could be skillfull and mighty amongst his peers, yet is the one with greater skillfull and mighty stronger than, you could say, the one who has great resilience and will? Is Iron Mike stronger than Chiharu? Is Pickle more beautiful than Jack?
What is strong?

>>283191128
>Have not actually beat Yujiro

>>283191128
Beating Baki, the STRONGEST creature alive

>>283196064
>What is strong?
We're not doing this again, pick up a goddamn dictionary

>>283190004
The opposite. He was more concerned with destroying public property than he was with any sort of bodily harm that would have come to him.

>>283196064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN25ghkfgQA

Son of Ogre Baki couldn't beat Pickle with brute strenght alone and eventually won on technicality. Jack low-diffed Pickle and made him look like a bitch with Goudou and Technique.


So Tryhard Jack > Bruteforce Baki.

Hmmm...

>>283194650
WTF, this isn't canon

>>283197389
Damn Jack is above a 75kg 169cm tall boy, what a feat for a 220kg 240cm tall man

>>283197389
Yeah, but is Jack above Baki when using techniques?

>>283197927
I think Jack can counter any regular technique, but i have no idea how he'd account for Cockroach Dash, or the below a second and a half hit.

>>283197318
But all I see is a picture of Hanayama!

>>283166222 (OP)
Now that it has been 35 years, we can all agree that Baki vs Jack in the MT is the best fight of the franchise, right?

>>283198257
It's great. My personal favourites, from memory, are:
>Hanayma vs Musashi
>Jack vs Pickle (Pickle arc)
>the Father Son Fight
>Baki vs Retsu maximum tournament
>Hanayama vs Spec
Baki vs Jack is probably up there though.

>>283198644
>>Hanayama vs Spec
That fight is so fucking funny in retrospect.
It's just Speck loredumping and going
>SEE BOY... WE FIGHT DIRTY... TO THE DEAAATH...
>"Ok"
>THIS AIN'T NO UNDERGROUND TOKYO ARENA ANYMORE...
>"Ok"
>SNEAK ATTACKS, WEAPONS, DIRTY TRICKS AND TECHNIQUES... EVERYTHING GOES... BOY
>"Ok cool".
>Punches him so hard Speck can barely stand up straight.
>Tanks 2 magdumps from a revolver
>Tanks a flashbang
>Tanks curbstomping
>Beats Speck within an inch of his life as if though it was nothing more than a shitty street brawl.
CHADayama vs Basedspeck unironically.

What chapter was Hanayama vs Spec?

>>283199198
>Missing the part where Hanayama has bullets explode in his mouth somehow
It was a very nice fight

>>283167945
все кончено

>>283199198
Spec's the only Convict out of the bunch who meant what he said about wanting to take an L, everyone else chimped out and were left mindbroken or paralyzed

Dorian too I guess

>>283199347
Speck really got the cleanest defeat out of all of them. He did everything he could've done, his opponent held back, and he still got low-diffed.

>>283199217
Must be towards the beginning of the second manga, New Grappler Baki.
A quick google search gives me chapter 39 of that manga as "Kaoru Hanayama Versus Spec, the Final Showdown!!", so a few chapters before it should start.

Did the convicts (or I guess just spec and maybe dorian since the others turned out to be bitch niggas later on) fit the criteria of a warrior as defined by motobe and musashi?
Like musashi they fought to kill or gain something from killing their opponent, their fights were 'anything goes' and they preferred using weapons to actual martial arts.

>>283200541
I don't know, did they really "get something" out of it? They were still just fighting for the joy of it. But yeah, I think the central theme of Musashi Dou is kind of retreateing the theme of the inmates.
Really, Baki is a story about retelling the same three or four messages over and over again.

>>283200844
As ive read more and more stories, i noticed the best ones tend to be about a few strong core messages which are then examined and displayed in creative ways.
Jack v Hanayama rethreads a ton of points already covered by most of Hanayamas fights from the past, but the sheer juxtaposition of the two makes it a standout moment regardless.

My favourite "tick" of Itagaki is when he reluctantly describes characters as fat or obese before backtracking immediately and stating that they are just that bulked up with muscle it looks like morbid obesity.
>The man was THICK.

>>283199220
>somehow
That was the least bullshit thing about it. It's really not that hard to make a bullet go off of with brute force. That's how the gun discharges them. A little mechanical component hits the back of the round. They're just small metal casings carrying gunpowder all in all.

I'll save this thread from page 10... No matter what.

Spec may have lost the fight but I bet Hanayama can't overflow a urinal with his unending stream of steaming hot piss.

>>283202320
Yes anon. We must save this thread.... these anons... these heros..... from the monster known as page 10!

AIIIIIEEEEEE Baki the concrete got me! Run for your life!

>That "concrete" guy...
>I wonder if he'd be up for a street brawl.

>>283203154
He'd lose but would look cool and overshadow the concrete entirely before falling

>>283200541
>fit the criteria of a warrior as defined by motobe and musashi?

No, they were jobbers taking shortcuts
>Yanagi went into weaponry when that wasn't his strong suit
>Dorian gave himself body modifications as a crutch
>Doyle flat out abandoned 4000 years for trickery
>Sikorsky was just trolling and getting by on his weird pinch grip strength

Boxingbros......

>>283203785
...Boxing?
Strong?

>>283203785
My fav part about Retsu'a boxing miniarc was his fight against Smokin' Joe.
You really could feel the respect Retsu had for a hardened fighter, even if he set out to discredit his martial art of choice.

I also don't think Retsu hated boxing, he just wanted to show the world that they can, and should attempt to build on top of his four hundred years, same way he does with karate practicioners.

It was more like, "I respect your martial art, but it's still in its infancy. Please be inspired by, and grow thanks to my martial arts, which have long been completed."

>>283203843
>four hundred years,
Thousand. Sorry, its late.

Oliva? Certified Doyle victim.

Wasnt concrete a thing in ancient rome?
Meaning it has... Over TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORY......

>>283203016
AAAAIIIIEEEEE I'LL SAGE YOU APART

Anon... Don't challenge the Janny. He's "too much" for you...

>>283176653
When did he first turn from that into monster mode?

Motobe v Jack is one of the peaks of the series for me.
I love how Memtobe keeps glazing him throughout his no-diffing.
He really loves the fighters of the Bakiverse. It sells the idea that his protection isnt born of ego, but love...

One panel that always stuck out to me was this. It's incredibly poetic in spite of not saying much beyond a literal description of the scene.

>Even on his knees... He's still huge.
It's Motobe acknowledging that fighters like Jack, even in defeat are a sight to behold. It tells us a lot about his own personal philosophy. In his "acceptance" of defeat, he's an outsider to the cast. It showcases his warrior mindset. He's the ultimate doubtGOD. For him, every fight is uncertain and potentially lethal, and even Ogre isn't exempt from the chaos of the battlefield. That's why he approaches every battle with a killing intent, and that'a why he was able to win against Mushashi.

Not to glaze too.hard, but truly, no other fighting manga could approach these ideas in that way.

Cant wait for animeonlies to be graced with GODTOBE.

>>283190654
kekkk

>>283188756
>Baki would've had to lower himself to Musashi's standards to win a fair match
He knocked him down, disarmed him, had his sword and could have shanked him right then and there. Stop this idiotic cope that Baki wouldn't have won.

>>283205126
>Baki wouldn't have won.
So he didn't win

>>283204489
>no-diffing
Motobe literally got punched up a tree.

>>283167635
Thinking about it, Sukune would be an incredible fuck. Between the pretty face, the long silky locks for pulling, the massive ass, abundant flesh both soft and firm, the sheer amount of power he can both exert and receive, The perfect BBW.
I don't know how Yujiro didn't rape him the moment he laid eyes on him.

>>283205624
Not again

>>283205624
Anon please, can you stop being a raging homo for one fucking second?

>>283205697
The fuck is wrong with you? It's STRONG. IS. BEAUTIFUL in these threads and that's FINAL. We all appreciate male BEAUTY in all of its forms and in all ways and that INCLUDES sexually.
>>283205624
What if Yujiro was like a gay Rance that got possessed with lust every time he saw a big strong male?

WAIT
I just realized Yujiro kissed that guy
Even the Romans just did butt stuff as domination and didn't kiss

>>283205729
We call that the Fleece Johnson method

>>283205729
>Even the Romans just did butt stuff as domination and didn't kiss
...they don't sound like they were strong guys
Maybe Retsu was right, maybe the romans were just frauds

>>283205907
Worse yet, I don't even think they used tongue. What kind of man lover refuses to go all the way?

I loved how Musashi's design changed throughout his arc. It was like the "image" people had of him was what we saw first, and then as Musashi started getting more comfortable living again and starting acting like his real self, people started seeing the real him/his spirit morphed his body.

I just want more musashi...
Please Itagaki

>>283166222 (OP)
Neat

>>283167541
Indeed

>>283167945
Amazing. Absolutely incredible

What if Tokugawa is actually secretly a fighter?

What if next arc they revive Nobunaga?

Thoughts on Musashi's anime design? Did they do an okay job?

>>283206861
The anime looks so cheap I can't watch it

>>283167945
THIS is history in the making…!!

>>283166222 (OP)
New mainline title is on its way, but no clue when and how fast kusaka should wrap up

>>283206861
Every season had more budget than the last... HOWEVER this season had tok many bangers animationwise.
Is there even enough elite animators to account for all of that, AND baki?

I'm cautiously hopeful. We hadnt had CGI since the first netflix season, and they seem to be putting stock in the franchise since it keeps paying off.

Rahen will never ever get animated because after mushashi it's sumoslop.

>>283199198
Hanayama vs Spec is to this day my favorite fight in the series and I don't expect it to ever be topped.

>>283200541
4/5 of them RAN at the mere thought of them dying, they weren’t even a real man, let alone warrior

>>283206861
I think it’s alright, but we will see if they gonna actually adapt the transformation of his look through the part

>>283198236
actually that one is for "victim"

>>283203785
>Boxing only has 100 years of history.
Mesopotamian cultures did boxing m8

>>283203843
I'm sorry, but 4000 years? 5,500 years of boxing.

>>283207643
Same.
I don't even like Hanayama generally speaking as a character but I have to concede he has some of the best fights in the series.
Spec was always cool though.
I know he's kind of disregarded as a monster of the week jobber now but I still think he's terrifying. He must have been even moreso when that fight was first published because up till that point he was depicted as unstoppable with baki noting similarities to his father. Obviously in retrospect he was talking about bloodthirst or aura or whatever rather than strength but still.

TOKYO REVENGE WHEN ITAGAKI?

>>283206861
I won't complain as long as his movements are fluid

>>283209188
>Baki Rahen
>Baki and others
>Death Row Convicts arent Baki
>Therefore they are the others
Trust the plan.
Once Jack's arc is over we'll get philosophical waxxing of Sikorsky and then he'll get to fight Zulu, Suedo, Hanayama, Kureha Shinogi and in the end... Baki

>>283203843
Itagaki getting bored of that subplot and resolving it offpage was so annoying, that fight with Smokin Joe was fun

>>283205126
Still alive, still not over gayboy.

Nobody likes Oliva unironically right

>>283177783
LOL

I miss Strydum, it's just not the same when everyone skips the middle man and goes to talk to Yujiro directly
Bring back Yujiro's errand boy/best friend

>>283177238
>weird dropped plot lines
Spec is gonna come back with his own solo Manga any day now

>>283189285
How

>>283210676
I want strydum running a daycare.

>>283191021
What are those dust particlea floating around Yujiro's head in the first panel?

>>283206791
He looks so joyous!

>>283206540
How would Vagabond be if it were written by Itagaki?

>>283209413
>Jack
>Pickle
>Hanayama
>Katou
>now Suedo
Guess who's fighting next

>>283211459
Thw school jocks

>>283211426
>I want to be the strongest
>Killed Yujiro
>Publicly executed several clan head
>Cut the shogun

>>283211747
Fuck I mean kill Kojirou

Rahen is all about Jack but do you think we'll even get a fight between him and Yujiro?
It seems very Itagaki-esque to blue ball us at the end with some obtuse philosophical reasoning as to why there was no need for a fight at all.
Does Jack even want to fight him? Avenging his mother's rape seems to have been forgotten and he craves Yujiros approval now for some reason.
Even if he just wants to prove his strength then wouldn't Baki be his target since Baki "beat" (lol) Yujiro, thereby becoming the current strongest creature?

This last string of fights has been pretty lackluster desu but I really want to see how it ends and get some closure to these questions.

>>283167635
Sumo... is STRONG.

>>283167635
>losing because the other side cheated is not losing

>>283167945
murderous intent…

>hiatus until November 6th
Is he actually dying?

>>283214232
He's just old
I wonder how much the assistants do in Rahen, they even get credited now (sortof)

>No Kengan
>No Baki
For fucks sake

>>283168660
No

>>283214232
Huh? I thought the next chappy was on 29th.
Well, Itagaki IS 68 years old.
Honestly i'd be fine with monthly but then he'd never ever finish Rahen before his death.

Tbh he seems to be in better health and more productive than i am, and i've just recently turned 21

>>283215165
shut up faggot you arent making it

I look forward to Retsu Isekai crossing with the main story

>>283211426
Itagaki's Musashi ruined Vagabond for me

>>283185849
Man, Itagaki's characters used to be handsome as hell. I knew old Jack looked but, but even old Katou?

>>283166639
Jack won this fight
>>283166706
Jack won
>>283167541
This guy gets it

>>283215271
No.

>>283215848
Katsumi looks ridiculous now compared to before

>>283216166
Yeah

>>283204251
It actually goes much deeper. Ancient Roman conrete was made from volcanic sand mixed with ocean water. It is much more durable than modern concrete. Ancient concrete... is strong...

>>283205416
Still bullshit that he got up from that. But Itagaki couldn't humiliate Jack like that without giving him SOME cool attack.

>>283218410
But just how tough is it... really?

>>283208379
Animes rarely adapt character design over the episodes. That's just not how anime is produced. The animators learn to animate one character from templates, then use that template throughout the series. They usually do not alter the template as they go on, something that is much easier to do for a mangaka.

>>283211142
Fleas.

>>283218674
Roman concrete didn't even manage to hold the empire together for more than a few hundred years. I've got some doubts on it.

Would you try on Baki if you were a low tier fighter in the verse?
There's a LOT to gain and with Baki, you know that you're unlikely to get actually murdered.

>>283216166
Katsumi has always had an inconsistent face, it's funny even the japs make fun of it.

>>283218935
Lole

We all know Itagaki is a fightbrain, but I wonder if he's a big reader outside of that. I was reading The Picture of Dorian Gray and thought that it might have inspired both Dorian and Speck from the convict arc.

Dorian Gray is man who doesn't age after having a cursed portrait made of him that reflects his inner evil, the portrait becomes uglier as he commits evil, but he remains the same. Culminating in a finale where he realizes his evil nature and kills himself, causing the painting to return to his young form but causing his real body to rot into how his picture had. His characteristic as a hedonist that doesn't want to accept defeat reminds me of Dorian Kaioh, while his death and immortality is reminiscent of Speck aging after his defeat. Dorian Kaioh even goes on to become a painter, which is on the nose if Itagaki was leaning into it for the reference (although Dorian Gray isn't a painter, he just has a magic painting commissioned.)

Either that or Itagaki was just inspired by Dorian Yates when he came up with the name and he's truly a muscle brain that doesn't read outside of fighting books. Not unexpected because of Sergio Oliva, Gary Strydom, and all that.

>>283220282
Interesting take

>>283220282
>even goes on to become a painter, which is on the nose
Fuck's sake, I never noticed that. Good catch.

>>283220282
Literature is.... Strong

>>283220282
weakest litbro

>>283199347
I don't think this is true. Spec went right back to fight Hanayama again after getting knocked tf out. The reason he didn't come back again is that Hanayama put his old ass in a super coma by exploding his throat

>>283220282
There's an Itagaki interview where he brings up Nietzsche.

Did you know that Speck means bacon in German?

>>283220959
Yes.
t. German

>>283220957
I'd be interested in that. Though it is very easy to missunderstand Nietzsche, especially if you read him in a different language.

>>283221314
What do you think of the character of Hanayama all in all. /Lit/bro?

>>283221314
>Yes.
It's funny, right? :D

>Kengan threads.
Shizophrenic feverdream. Genuinely make my head hurt more than psychodelics at times.
>Baki threads
140 IQ dissection of themes, author's inspirations, and shared enjoyment of both the humour, as well as philosophy of the works.

>>283219621
Katsumi probably got it the worst. He's way too smooth and babyfaced. He looks like if Nomura grew hair.

Never forget, "that" Motobe defeated Baki with ease.

>>283221479
Yes. I also find that extremely funny. Makes him sound like some ooga booga caveman. I love that retard.

>>283221478
I really like that Itagaki is sticking to his guns with Hanayama. He isn't altering him and doesn't feel any need to improve or explain him, Hanyama just remains as archetypical as he always was. This fits very well with Itagaki's writing style of taking something ridiculous, exaggerating it further while still adhhering to the logical framework of the initial situation, then pulling the rug by, for example, having a character point out how ridiculous this was in the first place. With Hanayama, you know what you get, every time, but Itagaki has a certain skill to make that thing interesting every time.

>>283221680
My thoughts exactly.
I feel like "Hanayama but with room to grow." Is Shiba Chicharu even though he got somewhat sidelined.

>>283221314
https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/shaman
This is the interview, the part I mentioned is on the second page

>>283221664
Never forgetti

>>283221711
Not sure how much it counts, but wouldn't that butt head with what he said at the end of his gaiden?

>>283221664
I appreciate that Itigaki drew Motobe holding the blade on his open hand.
That's attention to detail

>defeated Baki with ease
A fully armed man defeated an unarmed man
Say it ain't so

>>283220282
You could also make the stretch to connect the portrait's de-aging with Dorian's own mental regression after he accepted defeat and admitted his own failure.

>>283221549
Sandro has the keng/a/nons so fucked up they'll make an MS paint comic to supplement themselves during a break or schizophrenically manifest a new chapter in their head

>>283221478
I'm the anon that brought up the Dorian thing, different from the German anon. I'm a Hanayama hater, I think he's cool but overdone. He always brings up his back tattoo, he's always aura farming, and I just think at this point it's lost some charm. I'm massively biased towards Jack, the exact opposite of Hanayama, he's always evolving himself and never gives up till he's completely unable to fight.

On the subject of /lit/ some my favorite works are The Kite Runner (not because of the anal rape), The Metamorphosis, The Book of Five Rings, and The Art of War. As you can tell, it's because they all have "The" at the start of their titles.

>>283221664
...that motobe?

>>283221549
It definitely reflects the writing style of both works, Kengan is a story about fighting for, as in people fight for a goal. Baki on the other hand is about what fighting even is. A philosophical take on the meaning of fighting, winning, losing, and all that.

When a fighter loses in Kengan everyone calls him a jobber and edits him with a silly smile, when a fighter in Baki loses, everyone's discussing what it means for their philosophy. Things like Hanayama remaining standing even in defeat, Jack's constant Pickle rematches, Yujiro just ceding the win to Baki, are all things that don't just make a character a "jobber" deserving of ridicule (but we do love making fun of shit like the Jack cheek pinch).

Anyway writing these long posts is mad gay, I'm gonna go snooze now. Love you guys.

>>283221841
Thanks. He is talking about something that Nietzsche "supposedly said", atleast according to google translator. So I'm unsure if this means he actually read Nietzsche, or if he just read about Nietzsche.
He is talking about Nietzsche's re-evaluation of values, from what I can tell, and applies that to how he writes stuff by giving new, unexpected meaning to something that most people would believe to already thoroughly understand. It's an interesting take, mostly because when you think "Itagaki read Nietzsche", your first thought might be about the Übermensch, the will to power and that kind of jazz. It's oddly in-character for Itagaki, though, that he would focus on such a delicate aspect instead.

>>283222313
Given how Itagaki's fun facts in the manga have the vibe of "I heard this from some guy" I feel like he doesn't read from first hand sources too often. Shit like Yujiro deflecting a harpoon with physics, Synchronicity, and the handkerchief fight.

>>283221549
I'm not gonna lie, Kengan ashuras tournament is a very good read and (almost) as good as reading Baki. And they were on to something at the start of Omega but then it all turned into Sandro slop. I read all sorts of fighting fag stuff but Sandro butchered that series. Memes are the only thing that keep me glued to that shit now.

>>283222426
I'd agree, but then again that might just be Itagaki's style of talking about things.

>>283221841
Happened to found this in the links below the interview:
>Grappler Baki wa BL dewa nai ka to Kangaetsuzuketa Otome no Kirokutsutsu
>The story is based on an essay by BL researcher Junko Kaneda, in which she interprets the manga series "Baki" by Keisuke Itagaki as BL. The story follows the protagonist Akane Kojima, who hides her passionate love of BL, as she discovers the intense BL potential of the manga "Grappler Baki" and becomes obsessed with her fantasies for 30 hours a day. In addition to Matsumoto, Amane Okayama and Fuju Kamio also feature in the cast.
Hadn't heard about this before. Fucking kek at the 30 hours thing.

>>283222613
Theres a live action show based on her essay. Came out in 2021 and has some beautiful men in the cast.

>>283222685
>has some beautiful men in the cast.
You mean... strong men, right?

>>283222703
Strenght is beautiful.

Guys... I got my ass kicked by the concrete....

>>283222748
Katou...

>>283222685
From the few pictures I've seen, it looks pretty wild

gentle men, gentle men, you misunderstand i as the strongest male among you limp wristed neets, would absolutley destroy all of your asshole's i would track you down drag you out of those little goon caves and into the middle of one of your third world shithole street's pull those sexy cum stained paint's down hawk the biggest spit right at those puckering assholes like i'm a pro marksman then ram my rock hard throbbing veiny cock right up in those little cute submissive bitch boy holes while i howl in the air like a true alpha male beast as you friend's familie's and neighbours watch then as i'm doing it i'm going to whip out my phone and watch a compilation of all of yujiro's momen'ts in the anime to really get the blood flowing.

>>283222214
How does Jack remember Motobe but not Hanayama?

>>283220282
I think it was during an Oliva fight that Tor Norretranders's book about human consciousness was outright mentioned?

>>283223120
Motobe beat the shit out of Jack and was what made him ultimately reassess how he fights, Hanayama is just one of Baki's friends who he's never spoken with before let alone fought

>>283223120
They never met

Next chappy Katou doubts onceagain and tries Baki for a second time. Screenshot this.

>>283222936
Holy fucking KEK
Soul...

>>283223291
>Motobe beat the shit out of Jack
That happened after the panel in question though.

>>283223296
Weren't they together in the Maximum Tournament?

>>283223421
Hanayama was knocked out quite early, maybe Jack didn't see that fight and didn't pay any mind to the guy afterwards.

I remember a time when "Jack and Hanayama never met" used to be some funfact for hardcore Baki fans in these threads. Crazy that you can never tell that to anyone ever again.

>>283223447
Makes sense
He only had his eyes on Baki after all

>>283223490
Jack and Katou have also never met I think

>>283223642
Sure, but Katou is largely irrelevant throughout most of Baki.

>>283222313
Shaman was great for seeing Itagaki put so many different weird ideas and topics into that framework. It's just too bad there wasn't more of it

>>283223818
Reminder that ghosts and spirits exist in the Bakiverse. (Musashi obviously and Yuijiro)

>>283223818
Sry didn't mean 2 tag u

>>283223057
I laughed

>>283189388
Itagaki is a meme machine

>>283223057
This fucking thread

>>283223057
Not again. AIEEEEEEE

>>283223291
>ask the question replying to an iconic panel of Jack BEFORE fighting Motobe
>"hurr durr it's because Motobe beat him"
>>283223296
>They never met
He never met Motobe onscreen before their Dou fight either.
>>283223447
Motobe was knocked out of the tournament even earlier.

>>283224709
>Motobe was knocked out of the tournament even earlier.
Makes sense, yeah. I guess Motobe is famous and has a Dojo. Hanayama is just some guy (who happens to run the yakuza.)

I could defeat Jack pretty easily.

>>283225085
Katou...

Where does post pinky loss Sukune sit in the power rankings?

>>283223057
That yujiro rape chapter was a fucking mistake
We're no better than the Jojo fandom now

>>283225654
>Proceeds to get bodied by near everyone again
>Even people he's already beaten before
Katou could beat him.

>>283203667
You mixed up Dorian and Doyle.

>>283225654
Would've beaten Jack if he didn't lose his pinky in a fluke attack, Jack should've removed his teeth to equalise the fight but he didn't so it doesn't count
Would've beaten Baki if Baki didn't cheat
Would've beaten Yujiro if he bothered to use his ancient anti-demon exorcism training, can call this one a draw I guess
He's just below whatever tier Kehaya is on basically

>>283226921
Anon said after the pinky loss Doyle
He's Katou tier now

>>283221664
This whole arc made me want Itagaki to do more fights between armed opponents
The ending of Retsu v Musashi dominates all discussion about it but the choreography of it felt really unique compared to most fights in the series I thought, it was cool

>>283221664
Bakisissies…

>>283206494
i love how the original body without soul looked like the vagabond mushasi
and then he gets his soul and you see the change in his face

>>283223818
The part where he pisses himself is so damn funny, also he literally shows his asshole to that old lady. Itagaki really loves that huh?

>>283228709
The Japanese are weird like that. Araki likes bishounen men, Morikawa likes big dick jokes, and Itagaki likes men doing the gayest shit possible unironically.

>>283228998
Akira Miyashita might have had the most bizarre runs of works. Going from Otokojuku to that demon king manga that starts with the protagonist fucking a horse, and then turning into a stealth Otokojuku sequel where the protagonist gets kidnapped to assassinate Prime Minister Momotaro, who the villains try to frame as Gay so thst he resigns from office.

Seriously what the fuck did Jack mean by this?
Why didn't he say I was stronger or I was weaker.

Is it something about uhhh so he won the fighting contest but I won the I kill you contest?
Maybe Jack should just embeed metal claws to his knuckles, shin and knees next if that puncturing his opponent until he bleeds out is gonna be his strategy going forward.

>>283229069
Imagine how powerful Japanese men were before microradiation got into their balls…

>>283229494
You are the police man, anon. You don’t get what Jack is saying, so what you’re interpreting is exactly what it looks like. Jack got knocked down, and Hanayama bled out. It’s settled. That’s it.

>>283229494
I think it means the discussion reached the zenith and fizzled out. Hanayama "lost", and Jack was made to look like a bitch.

>>283229686
But what was the objective of the fight?
To "defeat" the other guy or to "look like the winner", what was proven by the fight? That anything goes for Jack as long as he can "win" even if he looks like a bitch while doing it?

>>283229494
See this >>283222221 schizobabble
It wasn't about weaker or stronger, it's about the idea of settling something. I think it goes for real life as well, Jack vs Hanayama is a fight people wanted for years. So having the "winner" open for interpretation fits well, Jack won, but lacks dignity, Hanayama lost but humiliated Jack. That and losing once doesn't mean you're weak, look at Oliva and Sukune.

The salient irony of Jack vs Hanayama is that he could have probably still won if he just fought "normally", but chose not to because he really wants to live by the "death by a thousand cuts" epithet.

That's why he will always be Baki's inferior, because he knows it takes only one hit to end a fight.

>>283230550
it almost feels like jack doesn't know how to fight "normally" at this point, and forcibly uses goudou even at times where other alternatives would be far better

>>283229686
hanayama lost twice because he was called a victim

>>283229885
You sometimes see this in media focusing on fights, manga in particular, where author has a "concept" he wants to execute for a particular fight and because of that he makes characters act a particular way - they do things that they shouldn't (considering their intelligence or lack thereof) or don't really use the abilities they've been established to have because that would go against the "concept".
I think Jack vs Hanayama was one of these fights to a degree. Personally, I don't find is as jarring in Baki because it has a lot of fights like that and to me it's part of the charm at this point.

>>283225064
>the yakuza
There's not one yakuza, there are multiple

>>283228998
And then there's Noda who likes all of the above.

>>283229750
>But what was the objective of the fight?
It wasn't a fight. It was a dicussion. Not all discussions arrive at a conclusion.

>>283232314
Hanayama runs those, too.

Place your bet on who's going to be the first jobbing victim(Hanayama didn't count) to prop up my man Hanada. My money is on Shibukawa, so he wouldn't have to fight Jack again.

>>283233763
He will beat Aiki by simply having some doubts about it. It's an imaginary martial art, so you can beat it by simply not believing in it.

What if Jack abandoned Goudou in his match against Yujiro the same way Retsu did with chinese martial arts against Pickle.... Only for Goudou to not abandon him back...

Do you think Yujiro will ever be punished or face the consequences for being an unrepentant asshole all his life?
Baki making him eat imaginary soup just doesn't quite make up for all the rape and murder.

>>283234976
The boy with an angel back will get him. Trust the plan.