Thread 283174684

Did you know that English translations are automatically inferior because the language makes no distinction between formal and informal speech?

>>283174684 (OP)
1. yo thats straight up cap bro
2. That's definitely not true.
3. With all due respect, that is a demonstrably false statement.

Based. Anyone else uneducated here?

>>283174785
Not how it works whatsoever but ok, gaijin

>>283174684 (OP)
nigga just say please. whats the big deal.

>>283174684 (OP)
English has formal and informal registers,hoodlum

>>283174684 (OP)
We do it by context.

>>283174882
No it doesn't, retard. Please show me how you would translate something like this:

>Tanaka-san wa dō omoimasu ka?
vs
>Tanaka wa dō omou?

>>283174684 (OP)
from which anime are these characters?
>>>/jp/

>>283174684 (OP)
Can you not just...listen to the character's voice and determine whether they're speaking formally or informally from that? Are you deaf?
>manga
Use context.

>>283174950
>Can you not just...listen to the character's voice and determine whether they're speaking formally or informally from that?
At this point you might just as well learn Japanese

>>283174684 (OP)
English is for lazy people

>>283174826
You will never be Japanese.

>>283174826
ESL

>>283175002
English is one of the few languages that doesn't have formal and informal addressing

I don't give a shit, fuck off to /jp/.

english is the language of slave morality
japanese is the language of master morality

the Indo-European languages were created to streamline jewish domination.

>>283174935
The use of the participle form is a more formal register in the English language. With this knowledge, you should be able to solve this.

>>283175041
Speak for thyself

>>283175064
>the Indo-European languages were created to streamline jewish domination.
jews didn't even exist when these languages developed, retardbro

>>283174985
There's really no need to go that far for the sole purpose of differentiating between formal and informal speech in anime. In most cases it will be obvious enough that knowledge gained from watching other shows will suffice

>>283175066
Surely you can provide an example how to translate these two phrases then

>>283174684 (OP)
>Hag
>Mesugaki
Understood

>>283174935
>What do you think about this, Mr Tanaka?
>Tanaka, what about this?
or
>What're your thoughts Tanaka?
Its really not that hard. You could do it any number of ways.

>>283175157
I am leaving it as an exercise to you to prove that you have the ability to utilize the participle form.
If you cannot do that, you are not qualified to have a discussion about translating from any language into the English language.
So just do it.

Your question is irrelevant, by the way, because if you are able to form the participle form of "to think", you already know how I would translate one of the two passages. The other one is obvious.

>>283175174
Lol imagine if caption writers listened to retards like you and put the last name into each sentence

>>283174684 (OP)
>English is a shitty and informal language
More at 12. This is why libtards hate Germ*n and others.

>formal and informal speech
Lmao. Go translate some 役割語, casual.

>>283175064
I agree
>>283175093
Languages develop over time

>>283175174
Good answer.
>>283175227
Seething J

>>283175394
Get with the times gramps. You just add something like
>translate as if it was spoken by ranni from elden ring
to the prompt.

>>283175174
Stupid answer

>>283174684 (OP)
English translations are inferior because they're done by an underpaid retard who doesn't know Japanese, but gets by with bullshit that kind of makes sense even if it's completely inaccurate.

>>283175227
>>283175655
samefag

>>283175316
Never heard of that before. Most people don't like German just because it's ugly.

>>283175041
Yes it does retard

>>283176062
most people don't know what German sounds like

>>283174684 (OP)
You will never be a jap.

>>283175825
Not everything n Japanese can be translated 1 to 1 into English you retard, even if you don't know Japanese, this is commonly known, liberties are sometimes unavoidable when translating Japanese because there's literally no English equivalent in some cases. The issue with "translations" nowadays is that the retards they hire aren't even attempting to be even remotely accurate to the source material they're given, making "changes" that aren't needed and and straight up bastardizing the entire thing.

>>283176133
This is not what OP meant lmao. He's talking about stuff like you vs thou, which English dropped a long time ago

Too many people speak English, the most popular language in the world, for it to be as simplistic as ESL's think it is.

>>283176095
It's ugly like all germanic languages except English which is French adjacent

>>283176150
Lol.
Lmao.
It's so much worse than you can imagine.
https://x.com/badanimetls

>>283176150
Ooh nihon language is folded 5000 times over and too complex for gaijin to understand.

>>283176172
Japanese has never had a system of two second person pronouns. You're a retard.

>>283176172
Languages change over time, modern English doesn't need words like "thou" to indicate formal speech.

>>283174684 (OP)
Actually English translations are superior because it's now in an actual language

>>283176280
For some reasons eurofags think that because their languages still use two pronouns that they're many times more complicated and cultures. They don't seem to understand that politeness can be expressed in many other ways like what english does.

>>283175174
>And that's how we get:

>>283176172
>thou, which English dropped a long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP-p6H0E0QU

>>283176343
What is wrong with that? It's a bit stiff and old fashioned but a lot people do speak like that.

>>283176308
You don't even know English, Rajeesh.

>>283176404
>sudden invocation of indians
Thanks for confirming that you're brown.

>>283176404
That's rich coming from a third worlder.

>>283176448
>>283176446
post hand and timestamp

>>283176536
Why are you trying so hard to derail this thread with off topic nonsense?

>>283176225
>Japanese has never had a system of two second person pronouns
Using the last name+something or polite verb extensions is the linguistic equivalent of that, retard

>>283174684 (OP)
>because the language makes no distinction between formal and informal speech?

...are you an ESL? You can't be this stupid.

>>283176552
What is there to derail that you haven't done already? You do not speak English on the required level to have opinions worth sharing to others.
And you implied that your native language was not a European one. So where are you from, India or SEA? The New World and Europe only speak European languages.

>>283176536
You first third worlder.

>>283176567
>the linguistic equivalent
But that's not a system of two second person pronouns, is it? And anyway you could just say the English system of ordinary first name and surname with titles is a "linguistic equivalent". The point is, you're claiming that English lacks something on the basis that it doesn't have something other european languages have.

>>283176620
it seems I struck a nerve?

>>283176600
Everyone itt is talking about languages aside from you who's desperately trying to make this about race.
>And you implied that your native language was not a European one.
Really, where?

>>283176597
It really doesnt, brainlet. English has ways to emulate it, by applying style or slang to sentences as well as shortening them, but for any given "regular" sentence you need context to infer whether it's meant to be formal or not.

"Have you seen this?"
Formal or not? Could be both.

>>283176668
That's the same for most european languages, they don't have separate verb forms.

>>283176622
>But that's not a system of two second person pronouns, is it?
OPs pic literally has "masu form" in it. Instead of spouting bullshit you could just look up what it means. Hint: masu is not applied to the name

>>283176637
It's called common courtesy third worlder, you wouldn't ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself.

>>283176700
It's a verb form, which is not the same as a distinction of two separate pronouns. If that counts as an equivalent then so does the system in english.

>>283176692
>That's the same for most european languages
Lmao no. If I remember correctly it's only the case for English and 1-2 Nordic languages

>>283174935
Just get creative. Say Mr. Tanaka for the first one and use some slang + a nickname for the second one.

You will never be Japanese Jeet-kun.

>>283176654
I am talking about languages, specifically your inability to hold a valid opinion on the English language.

>Really, where?
Right here: >>283176308
>For some reasons eurofags think that because their languages still use two pronouns that they're many times more complicated and cultures.
This is grammatically incorrect English, which suggests that you are ESL and it also positions yourself as distinct from "eurofags". Clearly, this means you are not from the new world, where they speak European languages and you are not from Europe either.
So what's left? Realistically, India and SEA.

>>283176720
Which other european languages have separate types of verbs for different politeness?

>>283176704
I'll deliver once you do, brownie.

>>283176668
Hast thou doth seen this?

>>283176745
Most European languages have a polite and an informal pronoun plus verb conjugation for both forms.

>>283176743
What's grammatically incorrect about it aside from the typo?
>"eurofags"
In the UK many of us regard ourselves separate from europe and europeans. Seriously just stop posting.

>>283176745
all of them do, it's called the participle form

>>283174684 (OP)
oldhag - cunny

>>283174684 (OP)
This whole "debate" could be resolved if more of you faggots bothered to learn English beyond your dogshit American education and niche internet slang. Read a book or two, it'll do you some good.

>>283176770
That's not how it works third worlder, but I guess I shouldn't expect you to know that.

>>283176801
The verb conjugation requires the separate pronoun in the first place, it only works when you use the pronoun as the subject

>>283176812
>in the UK
Thank you for admitting that you are in fact Indian.

>>283176815
Post an example

>>283176836
The third world never took to the teachings of Christ.

>>283174684 (OP)
Inferior to what? The original language? All translations are inferior to the original language.

>>283176743
You are fucking illiterate.
Eurofags obviously was a reference to languages like Spanish or French, etc., that have different pronouns for different levels of politeness from the perspective of an American/Canadian.
Learn to read and deduce information from context you fucking moron.

>>283176842
No. Would you mind telling everyone where you're from?

>>283176812
>In the UK many of us regard ourselves separate from europe and europeans

Thank god, I wouldn't want to be associated with browns, wish tea suckers could relate.

>>283176904
Most western european countries have as many brown people. And the natives of those countries would hate to be associated with slavs like you.

>>283176839
>The verb conjugation requires the separate pronoun in the first place, it only works when you use the pronoun as the subject
Lmao no
Parli Italiano?
Parka Italiano?

>>283176879
Throwing a fit over being called a brownie is usually a good indicator. You could've just let it go.

>>283176945
Does that or does it not require the subject to be the pronoun, regardless of whether the subject is said?

>>283176945
>Parka
Kek retarded autocorrect, meant Parla of course

>>283176935
>Most western european countries have as many brown people. And the natives of those countries would hate to be associated with slavs like you.

Sorry, can't relate to that. It's great not having niggers or towelheads in my country.

>>283176975
>regardless of whether the subject is said
Nice goalpostshifting disingenuous fuck

>>283177000
The subject is still the pronoun, but the pronoun is not spoken. You can't use the different verb forms when you're not speaking as if there's the pronoun as the subject.

I don't get it, does the brownie who made this thread think he's Japanese or Western?

>>283177017
He thinks he's Japanese but wants to keep he benefits of the West.

Unless you're translating between two romance languages or something a good translation is impossible.
Though there are some that are criminally worse than others.

>>283177015
>It only works when you use the pronoun in the subject
>actually you don't need to use it but I'm still right
Retard

>>283177113
If you don't understand you're a retard. The verb forms are conjunctions for the pronoun, and when they are used then the pronoun must be the subject, regardless of if it is spoken. in japanese you can use the verbs regardless of what the subject is.

>>283176343
This would be good if it dropped the "Miss". Referring to people by their last names is all ready a more formal way of addressing people in English than using first names.
Titles like Mister or Miss or Missus are even more formal still, like using -sama instead of the slightly less formal -san.

>>283177214
>like using -sama instead of the slightly less formal -san
culturally it is close to dono than sama

>>283177312
It makes for decent engagement bait I'll give him that.

>>283177214
>last name without an address
This is almost never done verbally, unless the person has adopted their last name as a nickname, like Trump

>>283177214
Calling someone by their last name with no title is very uncommon in English. The only times I’ve seen it are when one mistakes a last name for a first name or when one treats their last name like a nickname.

>>283177312
Native English speakers are largely clueless about their language, as is the same with most languages, as the last time they heard about the actual grammar was in high school when they weren't actually paying attention to it.

>>283175174
You just handed his own ass on a plate, anon.

>>283177410
Native speakers don't need to be professors of their own language anon, but they'll still have a better understanding of it than an ESL like you ever will.

>>283177338
That's because a lot of corporations pushed it to try to make their work environments seem more familial. Using last names at work used to be more common.
I volunteered with a fire department for a couple years and everybody was addressed by their last name unless they had earned a popular nickname. Superiors were often addressed by just their title (LT, Captain, Chief)
>like Trump
Which brings up even more formal ways of addressing people in English, like Mr. President, or Senator, or Your Majesty.

>>283174826
Only submissive or liar nations have double speech, now, draw my next anime faster nisenihonjin.

>>283177505
You do need to be formally educated in any given language to do proper translation work into that language.
This is hardly a radical idea, I don't know why you are throwing a fit over this?

>>283177410
Are you German or Scandi?

>>283177552
They don't teach this sort of thing in Britain and the US? What do you people do in language classes?

>>283177569
I'm simply asking what your native country is.

>>283177529
indeed, much of the more direct and aggressive forms of speech in English come from its German roots, whereas the more passive and 'refined' grammar comes from Norman French imposition.
>Go fuck yourself
is a purely Germanic-root sentence

>>283177398
It's pretty common in some work environments like I said here
>>283177523
and it used to be more common until corporations and boomers "Don't call me sir/Mr. is my Dad's name" changed it

>>283177531
No a radical idea would thinking some brown ESL can lecture native speakers on how English works.

>>283177625
I’ve never seen it in any work environment. Given that this sounds like a niche and old practice in only some businesses, it seems like a poor default for translating into English.

>>283177727
It's way better than the clunky and overly formal Miss or Mr. ____

>>283177839
But no one does that. You use a first name for casual cases and Mr, Ms, etc. for formal cases. What are you arguing here?

>>283177839
it's inherently a dehumanizing context to most americans, which is why you'll only find it with sports coaches and the military,
Please stop trying to be western and just stick with your culture.

>>283177878
>>283177886
I am American. I even gave you spergs an example of its use.
>What are you arguing here?
Follow the reply chain if you're going to jump in the middle of a discussion. I'm not spoonfeeding you.
>Please stop trying to be western and just stick with your culture.
My family has been here since before the revolutionary war, I'm more American than you can ever dream to be.

>>283177983
>I am American.
You talk like an alien/german trying to fit in, so i really doubt that.

>>283178014
You're a brown-skinned, second generation immigrant. You'll never belong here.

>>283178072
thank you for the projection of what we suspected you to be.
this dogshit thread can now end.

>>283174684 (OP)
I prefer mature

>>283178097
Show some respect when talking to founding stock Americans, seething shitskin.

>>283177983
I’ve lived my life in Pennsylvania and I’ve only heard of what you’re saying in sports movies and the army. I’m telling you it’s not common enough to justify translating a foreign language that way. It would be weird to do.

>>283178462
I'm not arguing that it's common.
I said it's less clunky than using Mr. or Mrs. It's all ready weird having high school kids address each other as "Miss Smith" anyways. All I'm saying is that if you're going to translate it that way with high schoolers referring to each other by last name instead of first name, drop the title.

>>283178757
A lot of changes to languages would make things less clumsy. But translating in an unnatural way defeats the purpose of translation.

>>283178757
>>283178875
I don't think there's a good way to translate it into English but it's pretty funny that this entire thread is having an autistic fit over how uncommon and unnatural it is to translate last names without the title when it's all ready uncommon and unnatural for kids to be calling each other by their last names to begin with.

How about this, instead of localizing, just give me the fucking direct translations. When someone asks where the bathroom is, I want to see
>TOILET WHERE IS?

>>283174684 (OP)
Inferior to what? All translations, from any language to any language, are inferior to the work in its original language, for reasons that should be obvious.

>Second language retard using unnatural textbook way of speaking thinking they're better than natives
every time, every language

>>283174935
>mr.tanaka, what are your thoughts?
>whatcha thinkin', tanaka?

>>283175041
Technically it does, but the "classic" informal mode has fallen out of vernacular use.
>>283176280
Thou is the informal mode. Anytime someone uses (You) they are using the formal address.

>>283176280
Thou is actually informal address, you is formal. Thou came to sound formal because of its use in the KJV Bible, ironically originally in order to make the translation sound informal

>>283179267
so, SEAmonkey MTLs from 10-15 years ago?

>>283179341
This is very common with ESLs who will say they have better English than Americans and Brits right before they mix up "in" and "on"

>>283177410
I couldn't give you all the proper jargon regarding the language that I learned as a kid but I have a pretty good idea if something sounds natural or not in my own language. You know all this shit subconsciously.

>>283174684 (OP)
sybau

>>283177214
There are circumstances where people drop the title and use just the last name, but that's really just a different kind of informal speech.

>>283177214
I would prefer is honorifics were directly translated, untouched. I really don't see the problem with translators cutting them out, and censoring them. Persona does it and it doesn't sound weird at all. A lot better than calling a teenager miss, or the infamous "big brudder"

>>283179567
for me, it's when Mexicans and Euromexicans add 'es' to words that don't need it and drop the 'es' from words that do. 'specially' and 'especially' catches them out like 95% of the time

I've taken a bunch of different foreign language classes and I've noticed that a lot of people who are just starting to learn their second language think that translation is just a matter of swapping words out and when they run into something where you can't they think it's untranslatable even though you can easily find a linguistic equivalent.

>>283180252
What I can't stand is series with a fantasy setting, where the characters aren't even speaking Japanese, leaving honorifics as is. At least translate them to something approximately equivalent like "Lord/Lady" instead of "Sama/Dono". That shit is genuinely obnoxious.

i think being able to shitpost in more than one language is impressive
do not ever be discouraged friends you may make mistakes but you are always improbing and that is what mattress

>>283180518
All native isekai worlds are Japanese theme parks.

one thing that confuses me about anime translations is the refusal to translate titles. you have people saying "did you watch the latest episode of 'Otome Game Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu'?" as if that's anything but gibberish to them. not wanting to use retarded trannyslator titles like "cat planet cuties" is understandable, but there's no reason why you can't just translate the actual title. you don't see people insisting that you call the three musketeers "les trois mousquetaires" or crime and punishment whatever the romanized vodka runes are.

>>283180727
I don't know if that's a real title but I think people would just call it "otomob" or something

>>283174684 (OP)
You know your language is bullshit when not even native speakers can understand it.

>>283176150
"Deliberate changes" are by and large a /v/ thing, for anime and manga translations plain old incompetence is far more common (unless you're talking about dubs in which case you're a fucking shiteating retard who deserves to suffer)

>>283180830
日本語難しい...

英語しか解らないのに日本語のあれこれを言い張るのは、さすがイーオーピー

>>283176225
>Japanese has never had a system of two second person pronouns
It does. It has several. Anata, kimi, omae, kisama, onore, etc.
English doesn't have those, so they have to use slangs or straight up change the entire phrasing (like >>283174785) to make it sound more or less formal.

>>283180925
わからなくてもいい
日本語は効率がクソ悪い言語だから勉強する価値なんかない

>>283174684 (OP)
But I know enough Japanese that I can hear the difference if the subs don't account for it. I just won't become fluent because I don't care enough.

>>283175064
this but unironically
>>283175093
>jews didn't even exist when these languages developed, retardbro
they did, they just were called (((brahmins))) back then

Seems like a good enough place to ask:
Any free no registration online site that converts japanese audio into text?

>>283181259
bokunopi.co

can I become fluent in japanese only by watching anime

>>283174935
>Tanaka wa dō omou?

> Ey whatchu thinkin about nigga

easy

>>283181448
yes friend you can do anything you set your mind to
learning language is all about the mindset
if you think "I will never learn japanese from watching anime because anime uses a magical anime language that is not actually japanese and also because the guys on /a/ said so" then you will never learn

>>283181539
yeah, you'll just talk like a tv character. it's like talking like someone in a sitcom.

>>283174684 (OP)
I feel it's easier to represent proper speech in English when spoken, but when it's all written dialogue your only option is to make informal speakers sound crass.

I've been doing some good studying for the last few months but the voices telling me that I'm wasting my time and I'll never know Japanese are coming back

>>283181592
I hit a wall with kanji and they came for me. Got really sick for a few weeks and never studied again. Don't give up, don't be me anon.

>>283181163
>昨夜、私は猫Weに出してやるために玄関を開けてみると、あまりに気持のいい
夜だったので、新鮮な空気をす吸おうと、ついふらっと庭へ降りたのです。すると後ろで
ドアが閉まって、カチッと言う音が聞こえ、自分自身を締め出してしまったことに気が付いた
のです。挙げ句の果てに、私は無理矢理ドアをこじ開けようとしているところを
逮捕されてしまったのです。
>猫We
>のです everywhere
I'm terrible at Japanese so I can't really tell, is the rest of this translation weird or is it my imagination? (from A Cross-Language Perspective on Speech Information Rate)
In any case it'd be shorter in a informal style with と言う>って or whatever

>>283181592
Are you actually using the language or just "studying"? Doing only the latter is a surefire road to burning out and giving up.

>>283174684 (OP)
>no distinction between formal and informal speech
It absolutely does though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_(sociolinguistics)
Sorry you went to a shitty school/slept through English classes.

>>283177398
>Calling someone by their last name with no title is very uncommon in English
Which country are you from? In the US it's quite common for guys to call each other by their last names with no title.

>>283174684 (OP)
It doesn't have to be perfect, just close enough to understand the idea.

One thing I've noticed about shitty translators is that they don't realize they need to cut the names of the subject, sometimes polite or necessary in Japanese, that appear in every single line. It's easier to infer who's talking about someone else.
Some retards will even praise these shitty literal translations as more accurate over """"woke"""" translations, but they are barely readable desu.

There's an episode of Kimi ni Todoke where the names "Yano" and "Yoshida" are mentioned at least 20 times each in 3 minutes of dialogue, even though both characters are present and talking with Sawako. Any SEA MTL fag would just leave those the entire way.

>>283180518
>I can't stand Japanese in medieval settings, so I only watch it with English dubs.

Right, I always forget /a/ is infested with Japan-hating normies now, now wonder fansubs are dead and the quality of translations is so shit now.

The real problem isn't that English lacks formality, it's that nobody is taught how to speak properly in school and as a result they end up sounding like children well into adulthood.

>>283181456
based imma start translatin that shit like that now

>>283181616
猫We is just an editing mistake I think, the rest looks fine. のですis normal since formal speech is the default setting for Japanese in theory

>>283181448
Technically, but I can't imagine actually achieving it without reading due to the nature of the language. They use kanji for a reason

>>283177450
There's no need to reply to your own post.

>>283174684 (OP)
Honestly, I just can't bring myself to fucking care anymore.

>>283174785
>thread clearly ended here
>check back it's still going 200 replies
??

Now we talk about how to translate suki

>>283182167
Forsothe, we nede middel englysche dubbes for the isecai animes

>>283183207
The advertisers need to think people actually use the site, please understand

>>283183234
Leave it as it.

>>283177839

I only keep to Mr., Ms., and Mrs. when dealing with strangers

I fucking hate how Anglophones have to refer to each other by first names. You're not my family or friend you faggot, I've known you for 10 minutes.

>>283183638
as weaboo as it is, japs have the right idea with their system and honorifics

>>283183638
What do you do in your language Anon, my friend, my brother?

>>283183638
>I fucking hate how Anglophones have to refer to each other by first names.
Referring to other people by occupation or status is only used in certain situations, like a 25 year old guy calling me mister is like "Why? I'm 31".

There's a billion and a half reasons to learn Japanese and poor translations is just one of them. Most poor translations are largely done through negligence or ill will, but there's also the fact that Japanese and English are two of the most separated languages on the planet, and meaning will always be lost when translating between them. How many people even know that Goku's name "should" be Wukong for English speakers? If you truly care about Anime, start learning Nip. If I can do it you can too.

>>283184109
>there's also the fact that Japanese and English are two of the most separated languages on the planet
Extreme exaggeration there. Japanese isn't some super special language and the only reason why you'd think they are "the most separated" is if you were totally ignorant about languages in general or think English<>Japanese translations are the hardest
>meaning will always be lost when translating between them
Like any language dumbass.

>>283174684 (OP)
japanese is also similar to spanish in that it has a masculine and feminine way to say things and this doesn't go well in the west

>>283184109
Um actually his name should be "Awakened to Emptiness"

>>283184137
>Like any language dumbass.
EOP lol

>>283174785
fpbp /bread

>>283184909
180/180 n1 unlike you

>>283184940
so you only know two languages? kek

>>283184109
English and Japanese are very similar in that you can't deduct how a word is written by hearing it and you can't tell how a word is pronounced by seeing it written.
Most other languages at least do one of those directions right.

>>283174826
DATTEBAYOOOOO KEN-SAMA

>>283181852
>It absolutely does though.
Register is something entirely different retard

>>283174684 (OP)
Translations are inferior in general. Something always gets lost.

>>283185269
Your mom

>>283177398
>"Yo! Goddammit Clarkson!"
>"Sup, Hammond."

>>283184109
>meaning will always be lost when translating between them. How many people even know that Goku's name "should" be Wukong for English speakers?
No amount of "knowing Japanese" would make that apparent. That's a "familiarity with specific source material" thing.

>>283185078
The orthography for kana is extremely predictable. I know you're talking about words written with kanji but still.

>>283174882
Not really, what you're referring to are more like sociolects, and god help me if translators started translating informal Japanese into fucking council estate type English.
Fact is you just have to accept that something is often lost in translation for a language pair like Japanese/English.

>>283185941
Even if you read it in Chinese the pronunciation would differ based on the type of Chinese you speak.

>>283177529
I mean, respect is expressed through actions. Using words for it is just insulting past a certain point. You're so sure I'm this fragile manchild that you'll keep talking to me like you're an ai store clerk no matter what? Better watch the birdy.

>>283177398
>calling someone by their last name with no title is very uncommon in English
Want to know how I know you're a NEET shut-in?

>>283186211
You wouldn't read it in Chinese anyway because the furigana says "Gokuu" in hiragana.

>>283186400
You can cope and seethe as much as you want, it doesn't stop being true.
There's basically only two scenarios where a last name is used without a prefix:
>last name becomes the persons nickname, often common in politics and entertainment (Trump, Clarkson, etc), usually for male surnames
>Last name used to address another person in a work context (usually done by schizos who want to demean that person) or in military context
That's about it. No normal person does this nowadays

>>283186475
I was speaking about Saiyuki.

>>283174684 (OP)
sir I watch dub

>>283186493
>usually done by schizos who want to demean that person
????

>>283186787
I'm guessing you're one of them?

>>283186797
You're insane and/or deluded

>>283174684 (OP)
Only if the translator is an ESL or a tard who never learnt translation as a course. Newsflash: being fluent in both English and Japanese does not make you a good translator, it's the bare minimum for being considered for the job. Of course, you can't expect much from Americans in the first place.

>>283174684 (OP)
Yeah, even german has it, but english is just a shit peasant language.

>>283174684 (OP)
>anon doesn't know that english does differentiate formal and informal speech
The absoute state of angloids/amerimutts

>>283174684 (OP)
>because the language makes no distinction between formal and informal speech
ok message your boss with the same language register you use to post on 4chins then I'll wait

>>283187063
>>283187098
>more retards who think slang and intonation = formal/informal speech

>>283187229
I can smell your ESL from here, pagpag.

>>283187242
Tf is a pagpag, speak English retard

>>283180457
You can translate something like "apple" (if that language knows what an apple is), and abstract stuff that's culturally familiar, but once you start going deeper into cultural words that cannot be translated and instead need to be defined in the new language. It's worse when the meaning is close enough that you can force it into a single word.
Because I have experience and knowledge, I can guess at what the original line was even in a bad translations, but that means the translator is relying on me to fill in the gaps, lots of TLs assume, especially with anime, that either you don't understans anything from the source language and culture, so it should be localized or that you understand it anyway when they half translate it. Both are wrong, translators notes used to be a thing for a good reason, it is the standard in the entire rest of the industry.

I only consider opinions on the Japanese language from people who have experienced 就活

>>283187425
Every non neet has experienced that

>>283186493
>c-cope!
Okay loser

>>283185954
>I know you're talking about one thing but what about other thing huh??

>>283184137
Japanese is, from a grammar standpoint, extremely different from English. Add in the grammatically not required lack of but pretty much practical 99.9% lack of a subject makes it even further removed.

>>283174785
Tf is a cap?

>>283185206
Register is exactly that retard.

>>283176877
It's just pure sophism. Threads like this serve one of two goals:
1. An excuse for an OP with a superiority complex to look down on EOPs.
2. An excuse for an OP to justify trannylations ("Did you know that X argument about Japanese as a language is true? Therefore, it's OK for localizers to make shit up and shove in zoomer memes and political virtue signaling in their translations!).

>>283188603
A fib

>>283188652
It's supposed to encourage people to learn Japanese.

>>283187822
I mean Japanese 就活

I'm more curious about how the Japanese translate English, do they add honorifics?

>>283188622
>Register is exactly that retard.
No it isn't. There is even a meme in German for it:
>Out man, out with you asshole
>Excuse me?!
>Sorry. You (formal phrasing) asshole
https://youtu.be/qJrVo0OOtAE

In English that would only work if you revert to the you/thou distinction

>>283189098
Is it accurate to the canon that Columbo's first-person pronoun is 'atashi'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUPFGTsQkbw
>kochira wa okoneru san

>>283176225
course not, it has like a dozen of them, not just two

>>283183207
very strange
>>283183234
she suki me, I suki her

>>283189476
makes sense because he's a demon (showrunner said)

>>283174826
>Not how it works whatsoever but ok, gaijin
Japanese people live miserable lives and bow down to authority like dogs.

>>283175064
>japanese is the language of master morality

>>283174684 (OP)
You just need to not be a moron in order to be able to tell if someone is speaking in a formal manner.

>>283187335
the point I was making is that when you are translating you aren't really translating words, you're translating ideas being represented by grammatical constructs. some people don't have a concept of "orange" and consider it a shade of yellow. some africans don't have numbers bigger than 10. that kind of thing is "untranslatable." the idea of speaking more politely to your teacher than your friends is not.

>>283179267
Thats a transliteration not a translation you retarded imbecile. Localization propaganda has brainwashed you to the point you don't even understand that a direct translation would just be "Where is the toilet?"

>>283187425
Why?

>>283187425
that's japanese culture. it didn't have to evolve like that. were wago conversations back in joumon and yayoi this tense too? i don't think so.

>teach your kids to say taberu instead of tabemasu
>call them immature and uneducated when they use such words
Why nipps are weird like this

>>283174684 (OP)
English makes those distinctions however they're all old as balls and would make you sound medieval

>>283174826
Casual Japanese is loaded with missing words and articles

>>283174684 (OP)
>taberu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCsKeAhhSY

>>283193022
don't they literally call them by "boku" so they remember to say boku?
and then in doujins you get predator oneesans saying "boku-chan".

>>283193022
That chart is pretty misleading. Taberu by itself isn't immature at all. The proper form really depends on who you're talking to and in many cases you'd sound pretty weird and unnatural if you use the masu form.

>>283174826
That's exactly how it works. Same in Japanese where you have itadaku as the polite form of morau.

>>283193279
lol

>>283174684 (OP)
Did you know I don't care?

>>283174684 (OP)
any more pics of the loli

>>283193279
i like hearing rare grammar. but grammar, not chinese kotowaza cancer.
like,
>subete... shitte oide ni naru

>>283193876
No and fuck off disgusting creep

>English is a shitty language
Yet, it's quite often used in anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQFaPMth2kw
And isekai uses it for magic spells, too. FAIYABORU!!!

>>283194791
>EOP mutts
>discovering anything
They will continue being clueless insufferable idiots until the day they finally sit their fat asses down and actually learn Japanese (aka never). Trying to tell EOPs why Japanese can't be 1:1 translated into English is like trying to describe color to the colorblind. They will NEVER understand and will continue coping and seething sour grapes for all eternity.

>>283181448
I find it difficult because the characters speak without showcasing what the action is about and that's important for putting two and two together, too many talking heads in anime.
I learned English solely through watching The Simpsons and Family Guy. Lots of of visual gags in those so it started to click.
Subtitles suck by the way as they distract from the language. Turn them off and go raw and fuck the Runefags, illiterates can watch anime just fine.

Don't mind me, I'm posting Esperanto.

>>283180523
>shitpost in more than one language is impressive
I speak spanish and im not mexican but when i shitpost i speak like the retardedest mexican, or i do my uncanniest neutral spanish impression like an AI translation, idk why but its fun

>Sir, may I leave the room?
>Gramps...sigh... can I go now?

>>283174785
fippy bippy as per usual

>>283174785
>oververbose is formal
american education

>>283181448
you can become fluent in anime japanese. i did, exactly like that.

>>283181448
yes, actually.
all you have to do is turn off the subtitles

>>283197485
>That sentence
>oververbose
no education

>>283188520
You are so retarded it's funny

Ithkuilic for FIRE PUNCH

Final bump

>>283174785
OP absolutely fucking obliterated

>>283197485
>tripfag is so stupid that he thinks simple sentences are "oververbose"
As expected of a third worlder. Constantly seething over America.