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Anonymous No.283385765 [Report] >>283386576 >>283388059 >>283388696 >>283390189 >>283391824 >>283397735 >>283398631 >>283405394 >>283415691 >>283426748 >>283471252 >>283496041 >>283517944 >>283533827
Higurashi
Name a character more kind and loving than Satoko
Pro-tip: you can't!
Anonymous No.283386576 [Report]
>>283385765 (OP)
cunny \(TuT)/
Anonymous No.283387554 [Report] >>283389892 >>283443453 >>283445818
Anonymous No.283387710 [Report] >>283390512 >>283441846
Her uncle.
Anonymous No.283388059 [Report] >>283399536
>>283385765 (OP)
Keiichi's wife is such a cute!
Anonymous No.283388696 [Report] >>283390512
>>283385765 (OP)
Her brother is way better than Shitoko
Anonymous No.283389268 [Report]
Why does she cause so much seethe?
Anonymous No.283389892 [Report]
>>283387554
Sextoko...
Anonymous No.283390189 [Report] >>283390512 >>283391469
>>283385765 (OP)
>killed her parents
>killed her friends
>drove her brother into insanity
Anonymous No.283390512 [Report] >>283425350
>>283387710
>>283388696
>>283390189
Raging trannies who hate Satoko for no fucking reason
Anonymous No.283390805 [Report] >>283391824 >>283405547
Even looking only at OG Satoko, Rena is objectively more kind and loving. She's also more likely to kill you but that's just because she cares.
Anonymous No.283391469 [Report]
>>283390189
>Shoved her whore mother and step dad #462 off a cliff in the midst of a L5 breakdown fully believing they were going to kill her then and there
>Never killed any of her friends in any of the loops we see only shoving Keiichi off that bridge fully believing he was already dead with a Demon taking the form of the one she loves most before killing her
>Satoshi went insane from Satoko's worsening condition and the abuse he faced from his uncle and aunt, and Keiichi went insane from how much he loved Satoko and how powerless he was to save her
The most innocent character in the entire series who did absolutely nothing wrong
Anonymous No.283391824 [Report] >>283392872
>>283390805
>>283385765 (OP)
Consider this: Mion.
Anonymous No.283392363 [Report] >>283394995 >>283398936 >>283400925
Which Higugirl has the most deranged fanbase?
Anonymous No.283392872 [Report]
>>283391824
Mion is a coward, that isn't very kind
Anonymous No.283394995 [Report] >>283395237
>>283392363
You posted her.
Anonymous No.283395237 [Report] >>283395545 >>283395701 >>283399034
>>283394995
I don't really get Rikafags desu. With all the other girls, I can understand, especially Rena and Mion. But Rika's personality is a facade and her true one barely leaks out, which itself is just a depressed old drunk in the body of a child. She's not reliable and mostly just lets her friends die while being lazy and wallowing in self-pity. Her problems are alien to human experience and hard to relate to. And even if you're just a pedo, Satoko is sexier.

Not saying I don't sympathize with the meeper but I don't understand people who call her waifu material
Anonymous No.283395545 [Report]
>>283395237
I think the whole "dying for 100 years" reveal is enough to get lots of sympathy points. R07 probably was counting on this when writing the final chapters too, expecting most people won't blame Rika for the failed loops when he decided to avoid portraying Hanyuu negatively.

The contrast between Rika's real personality and her usual act/body also is actually an appeal point too for Rika. Even though Hanyuu also has a serious/childish personality duality you hardly see official material or fanart pushing her serious personality as a charm point, unlike Rika's.
Anonymous No.283395701 [Report] >>283396838
>>283395237
You're a pedo if you like Rena and Mion too
Anonymous No.283396838 [Report] >>283397509 >>283397562 >>283442199
>>283395701
Aren't they both 16/17?
Anonymous No.283397509 [Report] >>283442199
>>283396838
Nope. Rena is 13, Mion and Keiichi are 14. There's only a 2 year difference between Rena and Rika

Look it up if you don't believe me.
Anonymous No.283397562 [Report] >>283397649 >>283465948
>>283396838
Rena is 13 (although about to turn 14) and Mion is 14 during the main story. To be fair the art is very inconsistent.

I think they look young in the first Deen season, but even Kai's redesigns seemed to make them all look like higher schoolers aside from Satoko and Rika who looked about as old as before.

The manga also often made Mion and Rena look older too.

Even Gou/Sotsu had trouble giving them different designs for the epilogue, where they're in high school (although they obviously look noticeably older for the earlier college club scene).
Anonymous No.283397649 [Report] >>283401347
>>283397562
4 years timeskip, but basically no difference. Then suddenly a growth spurt one year and a few months later when she returns during college.
Anonymous No.283397735 [Report] >>283398556
>>283385765 (OP)
Satoko is the cutest, purest, bestest girl in the whole universe. I'm not even worthy of praising her, so may I be forgiven for this post.
Anonymous No.283398556 [Report] >>283399058
>>283397735
The angel known as Satoko Houjou will always forgive and accept you!!
Anonymous No.283398631 [Report]
>>283385765 (OP)
her brother
Anonymous No.283398936 [Report]
>>283392363
Any other response besides Satokofags is wrong, it takes a certain type of mental illness to still obsess and seethe over something that came out 5 years ago
Anonymous No.283399034 [Report] >>283503450
>>283395237
Diagnosis: normalfag. Anyone with a real soul can understand Rika-chama.
Anonymous No.283399035 [Report]
Anonymous No.283399058 [Report]
>>283398556
Her grace knows no bounds.
Anonymous No.283399536 [Report]
>>283388059
Cute and Canon!
Anonymous No.283400699 [Report] >>283405547 >>283408676
Tatarigoroshi is the best chapter.
Anonymous No.283400925 [Report] >>283403468 >>283404635 >>283404773 >>283408729 >>283411062 >>283424186
>>283392363
Each one has their own brand of insanity.
Anonymous No.283400975 [Report]
My wife's unsurpassed in sweetness and love
Anonymous No.283401347 [Report] >>283401480 >>283405018
>>283397649
Why does Rena like stupid hats so much.
Anonymous No.283401480 [Report]
>>283401347
Rena has sense of fashion that a tastelet like you wouldn't understand
Anonymous No.283401518 [Report] >>283401609 >>283404141
I’m sad Ciconia is practically dead
Anonymous No.283401609 [Report] >>283401691
>>283401518
It's safe to assume that it's dead forever. Ryukishi found out that he doesn't have the will or creativity to make a story that massive and complex, especially when only a small portion of people cared.
Anonymous No.283401691 [Report] >>283404141
>>283401609
A post on Twitter a month ago said that apparently he hasn’t abandoned it, who knows how true that is.

https://x.com/HanamiDangos/status/1969359303480840552
Anonymous No.283403468 [Report]
>>283400925
I'd pick Rena

I want her to destroy me
Anonymous No.283404141 [Report] >>283515765
>>283401518
>>283401691
I will unironically never forgive him if he doesn’t finish it.
Anonymous No.283404635 [Report]
>>283400925
What about us haremchads?
Anonymous No.283404773 [Report] >>283410499 >>283502756 >>283502772
>>283400925
Now make Eua fag
Anonymous No.283405018 [Report] >>283405705
>>283401347
I assume it's tied to her being daughter of a former clothing designer.
Anonymous No.283405176 [Report] >>283405319 >>283405388
Rena should crush Mion's face with her thighs
Anonymous No.283405319 [Report]
>>283405176
This, except replace Mion with me
Anonymous No.283405388 [Report]
>>283405176
she can crush anything with her cuteness
Anonymous No.283405394 [Report] >>283405454 >>283405747
>>283385765 (OP)
Kill Satoko
Anonymous No.283405454 [Report]
>>283405394
*SotsuGou Satoko
Anonymous No.283405547 [Report] >>283405727 >>283408676
>>283390805
Rena is actually the least likely to kill you considering she has had the highest level of untreated disorder and yet was, along with Mion, the only one who didn't kill any of her friends. The slut and ojiisan deserved it so it's ok

>>283400699
Minnagoroshi and 6 were better.
Anonymous No.283405705 [Report] >>283406836
>>283405018
Fair point, I forgot about that.
Anonymous No.283405727 [Report] >>283407824 >>283407896
>>283405547
She literally blows up the school along with all the hostages in each fragment where Keiichi doesn't stop her, and he only stops her in one. She's a terrorist.
Anonymous No.283405747 [Report]
>>283405394
You wouldn't happen to be a blonde-haired, large-hipped woman who was orphaned as a child and has a serious eye drooping problem, would you?
Anonymous No.283406697 [Report]
Anonymous No.283406836 [Report] >>283406968 >>283407009
>>283405705
Oddly, her adult designs all go straight to grandma dresses.
Anonymous No.283406968 [Report]
>>283406836
>Basedly, her adult designs all go straight to grandma dresses.
FTFY
Anonymous No.283407009 [Report]
>>283406836
We've never seen her in pants. I think she'd look great.
Anonymous No.283407824 [Report]
>>283405727
She was right about everything INCLUDING aliens
Anonymous No.283407896 [Report]
>>283405727
Cute terrorist
Anonymous No.283407915 [Report] >>283413447
Anonymous No.283408676 [Report]
>>283400699
Correct, Ryukishi hasn't be able to write something as gripping since
>>283405547
>Minagoroshi and 6 was better
lmao
Anonymous No.283408729 [Report]
>>283400925
Satoko is my everything, I love her so much. I would gladly die for her and kill for her if I needed too, nothing in my life pre and post meeting Satoko has ever filled that void she left in my heart
Anonymous No.283409054 [Report] >>283409469 >>283425849
Anonymous No.283409469 [Report] >>283410234 >>283414986
>>283409054
Man, I want horror arcs in 84. Close to the original series, but also different enough due to school years and Oishi's retirement. They'd also obviously need a new plot and couldn't do the fake remake stuff again.
Anonymous No.283410234 [Report] >>283413591 >>283414986
>>283409469
I really don't know what could be done horror wise in 84 with Rika unable to timeloop unless you want to go with another Gou situation and add another looper to the mix. But I would still like to see arcs set in 84, considering how close Keiichi and Satoko got in just two nights imagine how close they'd become if they spent a whole year together...
Anonymous No.283410499 [Report] >>283411160
>>283404773
Are there even any Euafags left? Feels like they all left after S*tsugyou ended.
Anonymous No.283410977 [Report] >>283413447
Anonymous No.283411062 [Report]
>>283400925
I don't remember writing that about Shion
Anonymous No.283411160 [Report] >>283412375
>>283410499
were Euafags ever even a thing? She's a nothing character who only exists as a passing reference to featherine(another shit character).
Anonymous No.283412375 [Report]
>>283411160
There was certainly a subset of anons lusting after her while the show was airing but of course no one’s going to commit to a non-character like her.
Anonymous No.283413447 [Report]
>>283407915
>>283410977
Cutetoko.
Anonymous No.283413591 [Report] >>283414986 >>283417009
>>283410234
They always find excuses for the loops restarting. Gou, Rei and Mei all had different excuses for it.

Also, could be the future of a Kokoroiyashi-like fragment scenario where Hanyuu is still around in 84.
Anonymous No.283413845 [Report] >>283414423 >>283467390
Anonymous No.283414423 [Report]
>>283413845
Sextoko.
Anonymous No.283414986 [Report] >>283421343
>>283409469
>>283410234
>>283413591
My dream for a story set in ‘84 would be about Satoshi finally waking up. And Hanyuu being there so we could see all eight characters playing club games together and having fun. If I could just get that I could die happy. But it seems Ryukishi is intent on ruining my life personally.
Anonymous No.283415153 [Report]
I want Satoko to breastfeed me.
Anonymous No.283415597 [Report] >>283415665
Someone mentioned Eua, and I remember there was a somewhat low quality image of Eua dressing up as punishment, I think it was from some real life event, but I can’t remember what it was called.
Anonymous No.283415665 [Report] >>283415694 >>283416024 >>283421484
>>283415597

it's from the Sotsu Reading Drama.

The cast was on stage reading the script with images projected on a screen in the background.
Anonymous No.283415691 [Report]
>>283385765 (OP)
Why didn't she study?
Anonymous No.283415694 [Report]
>>283415665
I’d just found a lower quality version, thanks mang, that’s exactly it.
Anonymous No.283416024 [Report]
>>283415665
I can’t believe this is how Higurashi ended…
Anonymous No.283416274 [Report]
Anonymous No.283416933 [Report] >>283483431
Woops! She fell
Anonymous No.283416972 [Report]
Anonymous No.283417009 [Report] >>283419175
>>283413591
>could be the future of a Kokoroiyashi-like fragment scenario where Hanyuu is still around in 84.
I really wish any Higurashi sequal we got takes place after Kokoroiyahsi instead of Saikoroshi, it's just a million times more satsyfing as a epilogue and was so refreshing to see Satoko act like Satoko and not the fucking rika obsessed freak we see in Gou
Anonymous No.283417447 [Report] >>283418846 >>283418908 >>283419004
Anonymous No.283418846 [Report]
>>283417447
annoying loud brat
Anonymous No.283418908 [Report]
>>283417447
Anonymous No.283419004 [Report] >>283421133
>>283417447
Deserved
Anonymous No.283419175 [Report] >>283419552
>>283417009
It really seems like R07 only considers the idea of Hanyuu staying around physically when he's doing very light hearted stories, and even then it can go either way. She was actually living with 11 years old Rika and Satoko (post-Sotsu main plot) in the Sotsu reading drama. The club members also know her there.

But then there was no Hanyuu at all in the more recent Hinamizawa Doujinshi Event short story. And that also had post-Sotsu Rika and Satoko.
Anonymous No.283419552 [Report]
>>283419175
I imagine Hanyuu is a difficult character to write since her presence raises so many questions that aren’t easy to answer. Seems like it was partially out of convenience that he wrote her out at the end of Saikoroshi.
Anonymous No.283420647 [Report] >>283420849
Full cour mahou shoujo spin-off when???
Anonymous No.283420742 [Report]
Anonymous No.283420849 [Report] >>283421156
>>283420647
Kira didn't do well in the first place...
Anonymous No.283421133 [Report]
>>283419004
Oyakodon
Anonymous No.283421156 [Report]
>>283420849
Actual fucking tragedy.
Anonymous No.283421343 [Report] >>283422639 >>283424831
>>283414986
I'll forever go to my grave believing the perfect Sequel should've been focused on Satoshi, Keiichi, Satoko, and Shion (With maybe a little bit of Mion too).
I'm personally more of a fan of having the sequel story take place in '85 just to add to the dread Satoshi would feel feeling as if everyone has simply moved on from him. Keiichi going off to High school we're he'll have even less time to spend with Satoko and vice versa, Mion already creating a new club at the high school with new members that she would've been hanging out with for over a year adding the feeling that Keiichi himself has been replaced something he'd be able to relate to with Satoshi, Keiichi and Satoko being forced to end the Nii-Nii Imouto larp and confronting their actual feelings for each other, Shion dealing with having to wait for Satoshi for THREE YEARS, Satoshi returning and feeling as if Keiichi has simply taken over his spot in everyone lives and feeling as if they'd all prefer Keiichi over him leading to resentment towards him with his relationship with Satoko only fueling his hate towards Keiichi and everyone else for abandoning him.

Literally SO many ways you can take this story but no Ryukishi prefers the shit Umineko reference sequel.
Anonymous No.283421484 [Report]
>>283415665
baba sexo
Anonymous No.283422195 [Report] >>283422459 >>283426066 >>283427834 >>283429033 >>283438084
I want to have sex with this old man
Anonymous No.283422459 [Report]
>>283422195
She would be the most shy and delicate during sex out of all of them.
Who would be the craziest? I am guessing Rena or Rika, but it would depend on the situation.
Anonymous No.283422639 [Report] >>283422730 >>283430462
>>283421343
Such a setup would be so great for heavy interpersonal drama, which is the best part of Ryukishi's writing if you ask me, but as you say we'll never get anything like that. It's tragic that he doesn't care about Satoshi and how much he meant to the original story and characters.
Anonymous No.283422730 [Report] >>283422885 >>283430564
>>283422639
I have my doubts that Ryukishi can even write anymore. How did Silent Hill turn out?
Anonymous No.283422885 [Report]
>>283422730
I dunno, I don’t really play video games. In the last Higu thread an anon said that /v/ disliked it but it’s doing well enough in the mainstream.
Anonymous No.283424186 [Report] >>283457424
>>283400925
Some of us Renafags are actually sadists, not masochists
Anonymous No.283424831 [Report]
>>283421343
Reminder that before Gou/Sotsu, Satoshi wasn't meant to be in a coma. He's drug during Matsuribayashi because he violently attacked staff before. He's actually strapped to his bed and Irie pleads to Shion that she shouldn't wake him up in that moment.

It wouldn't be a miraculous return years later, it should be him slowly recovering from L5.

But putting Satoshi in a coma made it easier to justify abandoning him and considering him lost, since R07 didn't want to deal with him (because he was never supposed to be even alive in the first place and R07 just went with BT asking him for that, but now BT himself, the one that pushed to keep Satoshi alive, is dead).

>Literally SO many ways you can take this story but no Ryukishi prefers the shit Umineko reference sequel.

What you're saying could work for a short-side story. But any actual sequel would need horror and killings back.
Anonymous No.283425350 [Report]
>>283390512
>noo you aren't supposed to hate the serial killing lesbian witch
Anonymous No.283425384 [Report] >>283425635 >>283426033
Satoko did kill her parents, right? I thought this was confirmed, but I saw a few times people say that it wasn’t just that she hallucinated that they were trying to kill her, but that she hallucinated killing them.
Anonymous No.283425635 [Report]
>>283425384
She killed them with the same uber-retard strength she uses to shove K1 across the classroom and lug logs to create traps that defeat the Yamainu. Anyone saying anything else is lying.
Anonymous No.283425849 [Report]
>>283409054
Feet
Anonymous No.283426033 [Report] >>283428431
>>283425384
I think a console arc not written by R07 pushed the idea that the railing fell or something and Satoko didn't intend to push them. So don't worry about it.
Anonymous No.283426066 [Report] >>283427834
>>283422195
I would not hold back
Anonymous No.283426446 [Report]
Anonymous No.283426748 [Report]
>>283385765 (OP)
Tits too big. Rika is better.
Satoko would agree.
Anonymous No.283427834 [Report] >>283428215
>>283422195
>>283426066
8 children at the least
The clan needs to expand
Anonymous No.283428215 [Report] >>283428314
>>283427834
Hhhhhhhappy Halloween!!
Anonymous No.283428297 [Report] >>283428314
Hhhhhhhappy Halloween!!
Anonymous No.283428314 [Report]
>>283428215
>>283428297
a senior moment?
Anonymous No.283428431 [Report]
>>283426033
Even in that arc, it's a dream that immediately shortly afterwards Satoko says was likely just her imagination trying to excuse herself. Although even knowing that, the idea that her parents actually loved and forgave her in that last moment helps her heart recover.
Anonymous No.283428540 [Report]
Halloween is extra scary for Satoko-chan.
Anonymous No.283428697 [Report]
I wish they would show her some mercy...
Anonymous No.283429033 [Report] >>283429100
>>283422195
Rena would beat her up and have sex with me in front of her
Anonymous No.283429100 [Report] >>283499443 >>283511966
>>283429033
Rena would beat YOU up and have sex with Mion
Anonymous No.283430462 [Report] >>283430632 >>283433684
>>283422639
>It's tragic that he doesn't care about Satoshi and how much he meant to the original story and characters.
He doesn't care about any of the main characters anymore anon, he literally sees them as pieces he can use for whatever story he wants to tell no matter how heartless. His entire justification for Gou was that it was like a wolf game and that Satoko happend to draw the villian card this time around with him feeling it was unfair for every other character to be a villan at some point in the main story but Satoko.

And that's not even getting started on how much he regrets writing Higurashi the way he did and how he would change the entire story and characters if he could rewrite it today. He fucking hates the series with the only love he has for it being how much money it can make him.
Anonymous No.283430564 [Report]
>>283422730
It's pretty bad and is just another example of Ryukishi shoving his NTR fetish onto everything he touches lately, his self-insert/K1 parallel fists bump the guy who impregnates and steals away his love interest.
Anonymous No.283430632 [Report] >>283430670
>>283430462
Context of pic?
Anonymous No.283430670 [Report] >>283430718
>>283430632
It's from one of his final after parties in Hou+ released after Gou, he uses them to talk to the audience using the characters themselves. Same afterparty where he calls anyone who didn't like Gou a fake fan and to stop buying his products
Anonymous No.283430718 [Report] >>283430873 >>283487048
>>283430670
man this is so fucking depressing. Imagine just making a shitty sequel to your best work and saying "by the way I'd make it completely differently nowadays" as if nothing you wrote mattered and it was all the result of coincidence and such. No actual meaning you achieved as part of your personal journey, just coincidence... or at the very least if there IS a meaning then it was erased and replaced by what you lived after that.
Anonymous No.283430873 [Report] >>283430915 >>283435036
>>283430718
The old Ryukishi used to say he'd marry Satoko and that he saw himself as K1, now he feels absolutely nothing but hate and scorn for these characters. I have no idea what made him this way, I don't want to believe that the original Higurashi was all just one big fluke but honestly it might be. He simply has no idea who his fucking characters are anymore, it's been over 20 years it may as well be a totally different writer holding this series hostage at this point. The Ryukishi who wrote Tatarigoroshi or Tsumboroshi is dead and gone, all we have left is the worthless fucking hack who's going to keep exploiting these characters for his wealth and his NTR fetish
Anonymous No.283430915 [Report] >>283432663
>>283430873
>I don't want to believe that the original Higurashi was all just one big fluke
It's alright
You get to define the meaning, not the rat author
Anonymous No.283431590 [Report] >>283499443
Anonymous No.283432663 [Report] >>283435095 >>283448158
>>283430915
Exactly, at this point any anons fan fiction is just as canon as whatever trash Ryukishi pukes out nowadays and if the story is made with love it would be even more canon than what Ryukishi has made himself
Anonymous No.283433421 [Report]
Anonymous No.283433684 [Report] >>283435036
>>283430462
I don’t want to believe all that but I know it must be much closer to the truth than my delusions born of my love for the characters. Fuck this gay earth.
Anonymous No.283435036 [Report] >>283435095 >>283438483 >>283448158
>>283430873
I remember that scene in Gou where Satoko talks to Rika and tells her about the virtue of being happy with what life affords you and it was so heartfelt and touching that I felt I had caught a glimpse of the real (or maybe just old) Ryukishi actually expressing a true belief through the characters like he used to. But of course the anime just continued to devolve spectacularly into nonsense and every conversation they had afterwards was just about studying and shit. It’s all so disheartening. I still can’t let go of the feeling that if he put in effort he could do these characters justice, and it’s too depressing to face the possibility that he truly doesn’t care anymore.
>>283433684
I’ve definitely seen fanfics and OC posted in these threads that blew Sotsugyou outta the water. There was this anon making VN edits while Satokowashi was airing and they were really good, I wish I had saved them. At this point it seems like Ryukishi himself is the one least well equipped to deal with these characters.
Anonymous No.283435095 [Report]
>>283435036
Whoops, second paragraph was meant for >>283432663
Anonymous No.283436523 [Report]
tbf trusting Ryukishi was always a mistake

>that loud noise in the ritual storehouse in EP2/5
"oh wow I wonder what the solution to this mystery will be, I can't figure it out! the answer must be mindblowing"
Anonymous No.283437581 [Report] >>283441782
tfw my brain is assaulting me with more marriage fantasies of mion. how do i make these go away for good? it’s not good for my health.
Anonymous No.283438084 [Report]
>>283422195
Calm down Ooishi
Anonymous No.283438483 [Report] >>283440265 >>283451082
>>283435036
I always felt you were meant to take what Satoko was saying there as wrong, since she was basically saying Rika should give up on her dream. The problem is that "leave Hinamizawa and go to St.Lucia" comes off as such an empty shell of a dream, more like a trauma response than a genuine desire. So, in context, she ends up sounding reasonable there.

It doesn't help even R07 couldn't elaborate on that dream aside from saying Rika loved St.Lucia western's architecture, after spending a long time in the Japanese Hinamizawa, which is just a bullshit reason to upend her entire life.

There was one interview where he tried to make it seem deeper, but it was basically an attempt to rewrite Rika's entire character, saying she always disliked her position in life and wanted to leave the village and shrine even before the loops.
Anonymous No.283440265 [Report]
>>283438483
Oh for sure that whole exchange is sinister underneath the surface, but at the time Satoko’s intentions hadn’t be revealed and I was still thinking it’d be something very deep and thought provoking, which gave her statement depth and complexity. In simple terms she’s saying to quit trying to gain more in life, but the presentation of it, the way the dialogue suddenly took on this lifelike quality and had these two talking like aged adults about the nature of happiness all had me convinced that the story was moving towards something properly impressive. And then a short while later Satoko pulls out a fucking gun. Do you remember how ridiculous everyone thought that was? We had the luxury of thinking that since we didn’t know the absolute train wreck Sotsu would turn out to be, with everything getting much much more ridiculous than anything anyone could’ve reasonably predicted.

Everyone talks about Satoko’s character being assassinated but like you say Rika was also badly mistreated. I feel he made her singularly focused on St. Lucia simply to get Satoko and her alone outside the village to force all that bullshit drama. But then there’s still the problem of Shion who went to St. Lucia and hated it and so obviously would’ve supported her little sister who was going through the same thing, and so he solved this by just writing her out of the story until the last moment of the last episode.

I had actually really enjoyed Gou while it aired since I was delighted to see these characters again and was willing to look past its flaws. But as the anime went on it only highlighted those flaws and in hindsight that seemingly poetic and nuanced conversation just becomes meaningless.
Anonymous No.283441782 [Report]
>>283437581
By marrying Mion, duh
Anonymous No.283441846 [Report]
>>283387710
Your picture shows the contrary, it seems like he's actually cruel and hateful.
Anonymous No.283442199 [Report] >>283446993
>>283396838
>>283397509
Mion and Shion being 14 is something that's really easy to forget since they're extremely developed for their age, they could easily pass for 16 if not 18 depending on the art.
Anonymous No.283443453 [Report] >>283444650 >>283445818 >>283449575
>>283387554
HigurASHI
Anonymous No.283444650 [Report]
>>283443453
Would worship so fucking hard.
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>>283387554
>>283443453
Snniffffffff
Anonymous No.283446993 [Report] >>283447114 >>283447617 >>283447794 >>283465948
>>283442199
I thought that Mion/K1/Rena were high schoolers when I read the question arcs. Mion was calling herself Oji-san and saying how she was about to graduate and all. It's still dumb that Okonogi lost to a 14 year old girl.
Anonymous No.283447114 [Report]
>>283446993
Okonogi is just that big a jobber.
Anonymous No.283447448 [Report]
Anyone have that post describing the smell of Rika's feet?
Anonymous No.283447617 [Report]
>>283446993
The VN generally avoids any specific numbers, but you do have some signs here and there, like how when they talk about Hinamizawa having an elementary and middle school in a TIP.

The club playing tag and such also makes much more sense with younger ages. There's also how in Tatari, Kameda being a high school player is highlighted as this huge obstacle.

R07's sprites are too "abstract" to get any real ages out of them, but I think the console sprites do a good job in showing the club members are fairly young, and also the gap between Rika and Satoko and the older club members not being that big.

Really, one big issue I have with most artists that make Keiichi, Rena and Mion look older is that Satoko and Rika are left really out of place next to them.

Gou/Sotsu's art style is really odd in this sense since it gives Satoko and Rika young teen bodies but keep them as short as in the Deen anime.
Anonymous No.283447794 [Report] >>283449529 >>283465948
>>283446993
>I thought that Mion/K1/Rena were high schoolers when I read the question arcs.
I did as well, and a lot of people probably did too. Personally I prefer K1 and Mion being 16 and Rena being 15, it makes me feel more okay with being attracted to them.
Anonymous No.283448158 [Report]
>>283432663
>>283435036
I wish there were more Keiichi and Satoko fics out there I feel like those two get the least amount of attention compared to the other girls
Anonymous No.283449529 [Report]
>>283447794
Go jerk off to Chie, she’s more your speed.
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>>283443453
Rikaのashi...
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>>283438483
>It doesn't help even R07 couldn't elaborate on that dream aside from saying Rika loved St.Lucia western's architecture, after spending a long time in the Japanese Hinamizawa, which is just a bullshit reason to upend her entire life.
This is so fucking retarded. It's even worse when shills are going out of their way to defend that kind of shitty excuses
Anonymous No.283451439 [Report]
>>283449575
Rikaのude
Anonymous No.283451506 [Report] >>283451544
hot
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>>283449575
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>>283451506
>hot
Not with those man hands.
Anonymous No.283453423 [Report] >>283454710
Always annoyed the hell outta me that every anime gives Irie rectangular glasses.
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>>283424186
That’s actually surprising to hear.
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>>283449575
prpr
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>>283459026
Needs correction.
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Anonymous No.283461136 [Report]
Okay point taken. Sex with shibari Rena.
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>>283461055
UOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Anonymous No.283462856 [Report]
>>283461055
T-The sponsors...
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>>283462860
Puffy.
Anonymous No.283465948 [Report] >>283466526
>>283397562
>>283446993
>>283447794
Yeah, Rena being only 2 years older than Rika and Satoko doesn't make much sense.
Anonymous No.283466526 [Report] >>283470200
>>283465948
Satoko is emotionally stunted due to the constant abuse she suffered throughout her childhood, and Rena had to grow up prematurely since she had to take care of her deadbeat dad. When Satoko gets placed into a nicer environment with Rika she shapes up quickly and is very capable and mature in her own right.
Anonymous No.283467390 [Report] >>283467830 >>283468769
>>283413845
Where is this from?
Anonymous No.283467830 [Report]
>>283467390
I think it's from Kira
Anonymous No.283468769 [Report]
>>283467390
A photoshoot I orchestrated personally.
Anonymous No.283470200 [Report] >>283470293 >>283470730
>>283466526
But that doesn't explain their bodies
Anonymous No.283470293 [Report]
>>283470200
Uhh also physically stunted from being abused and um she had the syndrome so that effected growth and well all the nutrients went to her chest and uhhhhh...
Anonymous No.283470442 [Report] >>283470810 >>283487566
Finally finished Saikoroshi which I thought was pretty good. But I still don't understand why R07 keeps trying to connect Higurashi and Umineko. If he wants to reuse a character design and make a silly reference fine, but I don't see how the "witch" Bern has anything to do with the witches in Umi. Trying to tie them together just makes both worse imo.
Not even going to start with the Satoko/Lambdadelta thing as I think everyone agrees that was retarded.
Anonymous No.283470730 [Report] >>283470844
>>283470200
Just stick with the console or R07 art and there isn't all that much difference. I really blame Deen for most artists portraying Rika/Satoko with a huge age gap in comparison to the club.
Anonymous No.283470810 [Report] >>283471137
>>283470442
>but I don't see how the "witch" Bern has anything to do with the witches in Umi.

I assume you don't mean the anime which basically drops the entire plotline and left just a random namedrop?

Still, even in the VN, the actual part that ties into Bern's existence is rather random. It's basically down to this one line Rika has near the ending of Saikoroshi, about her other self splitting from her once she decided to give up looping and the Bern name, and this other self still existing and is playing with fragments in the upper realms. Rika just randomly says this while lying on bed, while the story itself doesn't show anything happening.

The secret ending of Matsuribayashi also showed her being able to change the events of a world.
Anonymous No.283470844 [Report] >>283471155 >>283475227
>>283470730

This one is from an artbook R07 drew when the VN was still being released.
Anonymous No.283471137 [Report] >>283471552
>>283470810
Yeah I guess I interpreted the witch as an inhuman mindset that Rika acquired as an effect of the looping. It's not like she could fully discard it either as the memories would stay with her, she just has to work to avoid falling into it.
Meanwhile the Umi witches are higher-order beings that don't actually exist in the (gameboard) world at all, they're more like authors. Hanyuu doesn't seem to be a witch either as she exists in the world, she can affect it by stopping bullets and even having children apparently.
There are two ways I can see to link them, one is to have all of Umi be some kind of dream Rika is having, which is lame. The other is to have Higurashi be a gameboard for Bern and Lambda (in which case Lambda is obviously Takano) but that also kinds of cheapens it and adds nothing, and Higurashi isn't even a catbox for them to play in unless the GHD happens.

I am probably thinking about this more than R07 did lel
Anonymous No.283471155 [Report] >>283471247
>>283470844
S O V L
O
V
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But seriously, it never fails to surprise me that this guy is so bad at anatomy, yet is able to draw such expressive and lovable characters. I'm getting pangs of nostalgia just looking at those images.
Anonymous No.283471247 [Report] >>283471405
>>283471155
He's not bad with anatomy, at least not from what I've seen, it just seems like stylization.
Anonymous No.283471252 [Report] >>283477799
>>283385765 (OP)
Except when Gou flattened her into a psycho and called it character development.
Anonymous No.283471405 [Report]
>>283471247
Maybe, but that seems like a slightly generous reading in my opinion. If he honestly drew those hands like that purely out of a desire to make highly stylized hands then I'll honestly be impressed with that level of conviction.

Also, he only seems capable of doing a handful of poses, which again he does well and convincingly, but there's not much there to speak of range.

Either way though, I don't mean to sound too critical, because I really love the art of the original sprites to death.
Anonymous No.283471552 [Report] >>283471645
>>283471137
>Meanwhile the Umi witches are higher-order beings that don't actually exist in the (gameboard) world at all, they're more like authors
Note that both Lambda and Bern in Umineko itself were said to have been human pieces in the past before ascending to Witches, which is why Higurashi is framed as Bern's origin story. Even if the actual moment of her origin/ascension is left very vague, with just that comment from Rika in Saikoroshi alluding to some higher dimensional form of her, but even so it's rather out of nowhere and just Rika saying stuff without the plot actually confirming it.

>The other is to have Higurashi be a gameboard for Bern and Lambda (in which case Lambda is obviously Takano) but that also kinds of cheapens it and adds nothing, and Higurashi isn't even a catbox for them to play in unless the GHD happens.

Umineko style games also aren't the only ones they play. Don't forge the whole Red Truth/Blue Truth stuff was all made up by Beatrice. It's not part of your usual Witch game. The prologue for Hotarubi presents it as a game between Lambda and Bern, but rather than a mystery, it's a survival game. They choose characters like in a fighting game, then their consciounes goes into those characters and they have to survive through their role in the story (in Hotarubi's case, Lambda choose "Miyoko Takano" from the characters available there).
Anonymous No.283471645 [Report] >>283479656
>>283471552
I actually think the biggest contradiction is that for a long time R07 insists Bern comes from a split, but within the Umineko side, that's never hinted at.

And then his more recent Higurashi works, even though he's still talking about splits in interviews, quite a few of his short stories seem to be just going with "Rika and Satoko eventually lose their humanity due to abusing their powers".

Like even this recent light hearted short story has the club calling Rika's and Satoko's work soulless after they used their powers to produce professional quality manga, with the narration commenting that witches can endure long time frames, but their human emotions die during that period.
Anonymous No.283471712 [Report] >>283471818 >>283473643
Trve Bern
Anonymous No.283471818 [Report]
>>283471712
RETCONNED. (or she was just a piece going by the manga's take)
Anonymous No.283473054 [Report]
Satokei is life
Anonymous No.283473643 [Report]
>>283471712
Passione wishes it could look like this.
Anonymous No.283475227 [Report]
>>283470844
Damn that’s cute.
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>>283471252
Gou is about as canon as that doujin where Rika is reborn into a world where K1 never moved to Hinamizawa, Satoshi is still in the club, Satoko is raped by Teppei and it ends with Rika getting amnesia after trying to kill herself and moving in with K1 (who never moved to Hinamizawa)
Anonymous No.283479045 [Report] >>283479175 >>283479716 >>283481937 >>283495674 >>283496742 >>283497007
Post things that are true canon.
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>>283479045
Anonymous No.283479656 [Report] >>283480613
>>283471645
it's so true, this happens a lot with artists, they improve greatly yet somehow their early work had the most soul. quite grim if taken as meta-commentary desu
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>>283479045
Anonymous No.283480613 [Report] >>283481991
>>283479656
Ryukishi is special in this aspect in that his works somehow got worse in quality and they lack soul
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>>283479045
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>>283480613
Ryukishi is the kind of creator that needs someone who will tardwrangle him to ensure quality content.
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Anonymous No.283483431 [Report] >>283483492 >>283484629
>>283416933
You're a fool Rika. You can NEVER ride a unicycle. Even after 10000000 loops, its impossible for you to balance on your unicycle.
Anonymous No.283483492 [Report] >>283484629
>>283483431
was it all for nothing anons?
Anonymous No.283484629 [Report]
>>283483431
>>283483492
One million years of unicycle practice amounted to NOTHING. It's over. Takano won. Satoko won. Unicyclists won. Furude Rika is FINISHED.
Anonymous No.283484713 [Report] >>283486158
if umineko teaches you something is that (You) can decide what's canon for yourself, no matter what anyone says
even r07 would say with your retarded headcanon is true if you really believe in it
Anonymous No.283486158 [Report]
>>283484713
My belief is the strongest of anyone in this thread. This means my canon reigns supreme.
Anonymous No.283487048 [Report] >>283487272
>>283430718
>"by the way I'd make it completely differently nowadays"
This is the most normal statement I can think of, the work of authors are highly influenced by their experiences mindset and viewpoint at the time.

Think about how your viewpoint as a reader on certain stories or characters changes depending on what stage life you're in, how you might empathize with adult characters as you grow up.

If anything I would be worried about the opposite, that the mindset of the author is irrelevant to the story that comes from it, like some sort of artificial factory slop.
Anonymous No.283487272 [Report] >>283487574 >>283488572
>>283487048
You're missing the forest for the trees. Obviously, if you were to write the same story at two different times, there would be at least SOME differences, based on many factors. But saying "I'd make it COMPLETELY differently nowadays" is another story. This isn't just a random shot in the dark, this is a story with characters, a message, a point to be made... so what changed so radically? Did you turn your back on those things you used to think? Because this isn't "I'd have told this part a bit differently", this is "make it completely differently". How are you supposed to interpret that?

To make an analogy, if someone at an interview said he'd go for a completely different career if he could, wouldn't that raise some red flags? Wouldn't that indicate failure at least on some level?

I'm not expecting the author to be a piece of cardboard who figured out everything the very first time they picked up a pen. But I'm expecting the author's biggest work to still be relevant in more ways than this quote makes it sound like, especially when we saw with our own eyes what "differently" means nowadays. It's Sotsugou. It's defending Mion's rampage because "true fans would enjoy it!". It's the Ciconia-tier shit.
Anonymous No.283487566 [Report]
>>283470442
It was connected since the atart, Hanyiu was always a bugged Featherine and Bern and Lambda were always connected to Higurashi.
Anonymous No.283487574 [Report] >>283487635
>>283487272
No? If you already had a satisfying career, there is no reason to want to do the same shit again. Of course you'd want to go for something different. Thats why successful people pivot to new endeavors.
Complacency is the enemy of art. It doesn't matter how good or influential a work is, every creative person would make their previous work completely different if given the chance.
Anonymous No.283487635 [Report]
>>283487574
I said "would have" not "would make NOW". He already made Higurashi. Your point about complacency doesn't apply at all in these conditions. Change for the sake of change isn't fundamentally good either.
Anonymous No.283488572 [Report] >>283488708
>>283487272
No, what we're talking abiut is a very common sentiment among artists, Nasu has said the same thing about his earlier works, same goes for musicians or painters.

Do you think a painter would depict a sunset among a field of flowers the same in his photorealistic phase than in his abstract phase?

Of course the message would be modified when they reflect the thoughts of the author, seeing a piece of work from them is peering into a piece of their mind when it was made, just as the mind shifts so does the work they produce, with past works functioning as windows to their past mindset.

>To make an analogy, if someone at an interview said he'd go for a completely different career if he could, wouldn't that raise some red flags? Wouldn't that indicate failure at least on some level?
Rather than a different career, it would be more like a different subgenre.

Take someone in music for example, the songs they would write when they are a depressed 20 years old and the music they would make as a family man with kids would be completely different.

Even a change in career wouldn't be considered a failure even if it's not what we're talking about.
Anonymous No.283488708 [Report] >>283489012 >>283489498 >>283489498 >>283489572
>>283488572
All the examples you're giving involve far more abstract art forms that connect far more to the subconscious and such. A story is far more straightforward. Higurashi is beating your ass with its message so much it gets annoying. What does "completely different" mean? What did you learn? Did you change your views or sensibilities? And in R07's case, the response is yes, he changed his views and thinks Mion goring her friends is a perfectly fine development because muh fragment.
Anonymous No.283489000 [Report] >>283489572
Not to get in the middle of the argument, but his “new” views on Higurashi are certainly weird and hard to place. He’s talked about how he’s dissatisfied with how Teppei and Rina were treated as one dimensional villains and would have rounded them out, and we can see how that played out in Sotsugyou. He clearly has some sort of religious-like view on redemption and inserted that in to the new anime. But at the same time he flattened his main characters for cheap sensationalism and reduced Rika’s experience to one of wanting to escape the village and Satoko’s to one of being obsessed with Rika to the exclusion of everyone else. I don’t know how you can easily glean a consistent worldview from these happenings.
Anonymous No.283489012 [Report] >>283489310
>>283488708
Storytelling is no different than any other artform and is in no way straightforward. The colour of curtains is a meme for a reason.
Anonymous No.283489310 [Report]
>>283489012
Storytelling isn't simple or "straightforward" but I that's why I spoke in relative terms. A painting could be radically different based on the artist's momentary feelings, a story as traightforward as Higurashi is engaging in explicit speech and statements, exploring themes in a very clear way for the reader to agree or object with. It's not entirely different from a debate and a discussion with the reader (although you should never try to say a story is ONLY that, when we're talking about Higurashi you can't ignore that completely). When an author like Ryukishi07 says he'd make things different, he doesn't mean it in the way an artist would paint something differently, he was never a man that subtle. He means it as in "I changed views" kind of way. I'm not even speculating, this is what Sotsugou was.

I'm sure there would be some examples of writers saying they'd rewrite their entire story completely differently where this statement is actually indicating something good. That statement is still raising a few flags but it doesn't 100% have to be a bad thing. However, when it comes to R07, we know what it means and the flags have all been confirmed.
Anonymous No.283489498 [Report]
>>283488708
>you're giving involve far more abstract art forms that connect far more to the subconscious and such.
They do not, I even brought up Nasu a fellow writter.

>>283488708
>A story is far more straightforward.
A story comes from the author's mind, Higarashi itself underwent some changes due to it's episodic format and the influence of other people involved in the project.

You can definitely see this in how some characters are depicted in diferent chapters.
Anonymous No.283489572 [Report] >>283490288
>>283488708
>>283489000

In this case, I think the big issue is R07 claiming Higurashi's killings as something that's supposed to be "fun", even if there's no real meaning to them, as long as they aren't relevant to the last fragment.

I think there's a chance it's just him defending the anime staff though because that whole "True fans would have fun with Mion letting it all out!" doesn't line up with anything else he has done recently. It's not like these short Higurashi (and one Higabana) stories he wrote recently for events have ever been about having "fun" watching one of the characters kill the rest of the cast for no real reason for example, even though he could always end them with a reset.

He does seem to have a real issue with villains nowadays though. Sotsu's ending completely disregarding any guilty or ptsd Satoko's actions have on her attempting to return to a normal life, Reiwa's complete joke of a (2nd half) of a final arc since he didn't want any of the villains punished. None of his Umineko x Higurashi Mei crossovers had any real villains or killings. Koppa Mai Chiru just being bland nothingness since it's just a real world story with no looping or anything, so even the "villains" can't actually do anything since he won't be jumping to another world to avoid punishing them.
Anonymous No.283489633 [Report] >>283490106
I feel like I remember an interview where Ryukishi talks about Shion not being meant to appear in the original Higurashi, meaning Mion was the original culprit, but I can't find it.

Did I imagine it?
Anonymous No.283490106 [Report] >>283490254
>>283489633

It's real. Shion's creation was inspired by readers having theories about evil doubles in Onikakushi.

https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/Famous_Scene_Investigation_File_100_Q%26A

>76. A comment about Shion Sonozaki

>R07: There were many theories for Onikakushi that said “Rena and Mion switched places with twins.” I think Shion was created to adapt that idea.

You can see Onikakushi Mion is never insecure about a Keiichi/Rena romance and is more aggressive than in later arcs.

There's also this line about her sparing Oishi's life in the past that never comes up again.
Anonymous No.283490254 [Report] >>283523129
>>283490106
This makes me curious about the theories and discussions people had before the series was completed. Is there an archive anywhere? Everything was long done by the time I encountered Higurashi.

On the topic of Onikakushi I still wonder what that one tip of Rena and Mion laughing was. The tips are often misleading but I don't remember any case where they straight up lied.
Anonymous No.283490288 [Report]
>>283489572
There is definitely a political element to his statements about the anime, where he clearly doesn’t wanna piss off anyone by speaking poorly of the anime staff. He’s distanced himself from some of the anime’s choices but can’t condemn them vocally so we get weird in-between contradictory sentiments like how people should be redeemed but also how Mion being forcibly injected, killing people she loves, and then dying unceremoniously in doubt should be taken lightly as good fun.
Anonymous No.283492414 [Report] >>283493580 >>283493849
Do you think Takano ever confessed to Tomitake about all the awful things she did, like experimenting on Rika’s mother while she was alive? Wonder if he’d change his forgiving attitude if he knew the complete truth.
Anonymous No.283493580 [Report] >>283494814
>>283492414
I don’t know but I do often think about that scene where she tries to win him over to her side by promising the wildest sex of his life and he almost considers it.
Anonymous No.283493849 [Report] >>283494089
>>283492414
I think he knew all about those? Even Rika knew her mother was killed by the mountain dogs, just likely didn't know the specifics about Takano keeping her alive to open her brain.
Anonymous No.283494089 [Report]
>>283493849
It’s that nefarious stuff that would make me reconsider my thoughts for the woman. Like, live human experimentation? How do you look past that when you’re alone at night holding each other in bed. I guess those droopy eyes are pretty sexy…
Anonymous No.283494814 [Report]
>>283493580
It wouldn't have turned out well but it does make me wonder if she really would have let him live if he agreed.
Takano wanted to spare him when she first learned about the plans from Nomura, although she got more twisted as time went on.
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>>283479045
Anonymous No.283496041 [Report] >>283496290
>>283385765 (OP)
Her uncle and his friends smashed that.
Anonymous No.283496290 [Report]
>>283496041
Kill yourself secondary trash
Anonymous No.283496742 [Report] >>283496779 >>283497322 >>283504211
>>283479045
I really liked most of the early loop stuff seen in Mei. I'd be surprised if any of it sticks though.

Like this reference to the Deen opening is a scene where Rika is welcoming Keiichi when he first arrives in Hinamizawa, telling him he could turn a new page in his life there and guaranteeing he'd choose to go to the Hinamizawa Branch School, rather than Okinomiya Middle School. This story also addressed that Rika keeps distance from Keiichi when he's going L5 because trying to get too close to him, just made him avoid her and the situation worse.

There's also Shion speculating the twin switch might have been actually purposefully planned by her family since she wasn't as well behaved as Mion (original Shion), so they actively wanted to change the successor.

There's also a new conspiracy about the Kimiyoshi hiding the existence of a Furude branch family, the Saionji, to keep power in the village, to the point that's the reason Kiichiro takes guardianship of Rika. Which helped adding some air of conspiracy to the story after the Sonozaki were completely neutered in the main plot.

Rika also didn't take in Satoko in the original world, and when she decided to do it within the loops, Hanyuu heavily opposed her since it'd be a big deviation from the world they knew, but Rika went forward with it anyway.
Anonymous No.283496779 [Report] >>283497020
>>283496742
What happens to Satoko in that original world then?
Anonymous No.283497007 [Report] >>283498356
>>283479045
The relationship between Hanyuu and Rika as well as Rika and Satoko is messed up.
Anonymous No.283497020 [Report]
>>283496779
They don't go into it directly, since the story was mostly Rika confronting Hanyuu and then the first time Satoko moves in to Rika's house, although whatever happened in the original world didn't sound good, which is why Rika fights with Hanyuu to bring her in.

Satoko was still supposed to be alive by 82 though, that part wasn't new, so it seems like even in the original world before the loops Rika collaborated with Irie and the medicine was made.
Anonymous No.283497322 [Report]
>>283496742
That's all really interesting stuff. Makes me consider watching a Mei playthrough.
Anonymous No.283498356 [Report]
>>283497007
I wonder what kind of stuff went on between those three when they were living together…
Anonymous No.283498556 [Report] >>283499058 >>283502955
What exactly are witches supposed to be?

>Hanyuu is some interdimensional alien thing
>she uses her powers to let Rika loop
>somehow this creates a witch??
it makes sense for the looping to make Rika fucked up mentally but I still don't get what this has to do with witches. If K1 sometimes remembers shit between loops is he slowly forming a warlock too?
Anonymous No.283499058 [Report] >>283499885
>>283498556
You need to be empowered by an entity that exists above the Kakera level in order become a witch, it seems. In Rika's case it was Hanyuu and in Satoko's it was Eua. That's for Voyager class witches at least, if we take Umineko at face value then witches can discover magic at the sub-Voyager level through materials avaialble on the Kakera plane and training by other witches, demons, etc., as was more or less acheived by Beatrice, Kinzo, Maria, Ange, etc. It's unlikely that Keichi could achieve Voyager status from memory retention alone since he's neither being empowered nor being granted the knowledge of magic or demonology. It also seems that for Voyagers at least there needs to be some kind of mental schism in order for a witch to be fully manifest, though this may be incidental since it seems it can also occur at the sub-Voyager level regardless of study of magic or not, as can be seen with Evatrice.
Anonymous No.283499443 [Report] >>283499751 >>283511966
>>283429100
>>283431590
Need more of these two.
Anonymous No.283499751 [Report] >>283499778 >>283499893 >>283502524
>>283499443
I love how it’s always Mion getting toyed with.
Anonymous No.283499778 [Report] >>283501694
>>283499751
I mean the original story kind of made her seem like a pushover compared to Shion and Rena. Then Sotsugyou more or less doubled down on that.
Anonymous No.283499885 [Report] >>283500119
>>283499058
Huh, that's wildly different from my understanding but it's been a while since I read Umineko so idk. I considered Maria/Evatrice/etc to be just pieces who were granted limited witch status by the game master, I don't see why they would need to do stuff like studying the occult for that. The game master can do whatever they want in their board as long as it's not contradictory, which presumably includes promoting pieces to witch status.
But the voyager witches are different. It's not clear to me what rules their existence has, at first I wasn't clear on whether they're more than an elaborate storytelling construct after all the mind fuckery in Umineko.
Anonymous No.283499893 [Report] >>283501694
>>283499751
Gap moe is a large part of her appeal. Yakuza tomboy on the outside while also being the most sensitive and girliest of the cast.
Anonymous No.283500119 [Report] >>283502955 >>283511659
>>283499885
Evatrice is empowered but Beatrice studied under Virgilia, Maria under Beatrice (though she seems substantially self-taught prior, much like Kinzo) and Ange under Maria's writings. Maria is latterly empowered but her understanding of magic is independent of that and strong enough to impart enough knowledge to Ange such that she can summon the Stakes.
>The game master can do whatever they want in their board as long as it's not contradictory, which presumably includes promoting pieces to witch status.
Indeed, this functionally seems to replicate the effect of what Hanyuu and Eua did for Rika and Satoko respectively, they're essentially sponsors of power.
>But the voyager witches are different.
Not really. They're pieces which have been sponsored and given enough knowledge and power to detatch from the game board and become game masters themselves, transcending the kakera plane. Battler would likely have achieved this in time under comparable circumstances to Rika and Satoko.
Anonymous No.283501694 [Report]
>>283499778
Fuck Sotsugyou so hard.
>>283499893
I love how a single kiss on the cheek would cause a near heart attack for her. So pure, so cowardly.
Anonymous No.283502524 [Report]
>>283499751
That's how it was in canon as well. Mion can't do anything to stop Rena when she's going for something. Luckily Rena is usually just chilling, but Mion must feel like a loser for being toyed with by a younger girl.
Anonymous No.283502756 [Report]
>>283404773
Just imagine how humiliated little loli Eua must feel after being babified so easily. Imagine if she got stuck in some awful meta hell with Hanyuu and Bernkastel and Lambdadelta and they decided to keep her as their idiot loser pet!

Every day she’d wake up in Bern and Lambda’s girlcum-stained sheets, and faintly remember she was supposed to be a creator witch overflowing with authority and might, until she opens her mouth and her squeaky little girl voice comes out so instead of sounding smug and clever, she’d just sound like a dumb brat with no experience or competence! Because that’s what she is! Big sister Hanyuu would try to soothe her and she’d just throw a tantrum like a baby!

loli Eua won’t stop acting big, so Hanyuu-nee has to spank her. Can you imagine? Eua’s pale, undeveloped butt and innocent, hairless cunny, completely devoid of mature, adult characteristics, all on display for Hanyuu and Bern and Lambda. Eua’s little butt gets spanked till it’s red raw and she’s sobbing from the pain, crying out “Au au au! Ah’m sowwy ah’m sowwy! Au au!” all garbled from the shock and humiliation of being a plaything for a creature as pathetic as Hanyuu. Hanyuu, who is so weak and dumb that everyone teases her, whom everyone sees as an idiot at the bottom of the totem pole, except for one useless failure even weaker and dumber: Eua! She’s the littlest brat in the family!
But Hanyuu’s treatment is gentle in comparison to when Eua is handed over to Bernkastel and Lambdadelta. They don’t even let loli Eua wear clothes when they’re playing with her, so her immaturity is always visible. She’s leashed and collared while they talk about adult topics out of bounds to brats like little Eua, who is much too stupid to understand them. She has to eat dog food off the ground with her naked little butt stuck up in the air so Bern can give it a whack when she feels like letting off steam!

What a pathetic existence loli Eua is!
Anonymous No.283502772 [Report] >>283506236
>>283404773
Just imagine how humiliated little loli Eua must feel after being babified so easily. Imagine if she got stuck in some awful meta hell with Hanyuu and Bernkastel and Lambdadelta and they decided to keep her as their idiot loser pet!

Every day she’d wake up in Bern and Lambda’s girlcum-stained sheets, and faintly remember she was supposed to be a creator witch overflowing with authority and might, until she opens her mouth and her squeaky little girl voice comes out so instead of sounding smug and clever, she’d just sound like a dumb brat with no experience or competence! Because that’s what she is! Big sister Hanyuu would try to soothe her and she’d just throw a tantrum like a baby!

loli Eua won’t stop acting big, so Hanyuu-nee has to spank her. Can you imagine? Eua’s pale, undeveloped butt and innocent, hairless cunny, completely devoid of mature, adult characteristics, all on display for Hanyuu and Bern and Lambda. Eua’s little butt gets spanked till it’s red raw and she’s sobbing from the pain, crying out “Au au au! Ah’m sowwy ah’m sowwy! Au au!” all garbled from the shock and humiliation of being a plaything for a creature as pathetic as Hanyuu. Hanyuu, who is so weak and dumb that everyone teases her, whom everyone sees as an idiot at the bottom of the totem pole, except for one useless failure even weaker and dumber: Eua! She’s the littlest brat in the family!

But Hanyuu’s treatment is gentle in comparison to when Eua is handed over to Bernkastel and Lambdadelta. They don’t even let loli Eua wear clothes when they’re playing with her, so her immaturity is always visible. She’s leashed and collared while they talk about adult topics out of bounds to brats like little Eua, who is much too stupid to understand them. She has to eat dog food off the ground with her naked little butt stuck up in the air so Bern can give it a whack when she feels like letting off steam!

What a pathetic existence loli Eua is!
Anonymous No.283502955 [Report]
>>283498556

In the original series, "Witches" with actual supernatural powers are suggested to be created when the looper has been doing this long enough they understand the nature of fragments and are able to manipulate them and their connections, which is why you only see Rika/Bern pulling supernatural stuff in Matsuribayashi (some of connecting fragments, like when Rika and Hanyuu meet Keiichi in the first day of class, or the Akasaka scene, the climax and the secret ending - even then outside of the secret ending which has a really odd timeline placement she's always acting alongside Hanyuu). Then you have Saikoroshi with a throw away line about Bern splitting from Rika and becoming a metaphysical entity in the upper realms by herself.

Gou/Sotsu seemed to simplify this to just them getting permanent powers from a sponsor and looping long enough (note Rika's new loops were caused by Eua too) until something happens and they awaken their true powers (note according to R07 during the final battle in that part where Rika and Satoko are hitting each other and changing backgrounds, it's them throwing each other into their desired worlds, which is why the few times Rika had an advantage in the battle they ended up in St.Lucia).

>>283500119
Beatrice is empowered by Lambda, which allowed her to manefist her imaginary magic system and creatures within the Rokkenjima catbox. Beatrice's whole magic system and everything related to it wouldn't exist outside of her imagination if it weren't for Lambda. When she gets angry she outright says Beatrice isn't really a witch.
Anonymous No.283503450 [Report] >>283507155
>>283399034
She better should clean that up after she's finished drinking.
Anonymous No.283504211 [Report] >>283504848
>>283496742
Did Bern, Lambda or other Umo characters talk about Hanyuu, Eua or Satoko at all in Mei?
Anonymous No.283504216 [Report]
how do i pirate higurashi?
Anonymous No.283504848 [Report] >>283504983
>>283504211

Both the Lambda and Bern character stories had script by R07. Closest thing to Bern/Hanyuu is that Hanyuu was blocked from getting into the fragment when Bern was around.

In Lambda's character story, the story was very vague about any direct connections between her and Higurashi. It teases some connections (Mion makes preparations for a club game with her and notes it feels like she's a veteran club member, Lambda also uses Satoko's line last about leaving a small trap for the end, Bernkastel also reveals she disappeared for a while just so Lambda would go play with the club), but Lambda never talks like she already knows any of the Higu cast, acting like she's just there because Mion's will attracted her - doesn't even show any reaction to Rika (even though in the Bernkastel story Bern is treated as looking identical to Rika, so she's faking it?).

Eua didn't appear in any of the Umineko stuff, but she did have a story with script by R07, who otherwise only wrote full scripts for the Umi related stuff in Mei. She has the "Theatergoing" title, calls herself a witch and can break the 4th wall, talking with the player directly. Also she's the closest witch to "God". R07's story for her was all about the problem of omnipotency/omniscience, how it leads to boredom disease and how Eua is haunted by it and almost at the point of "death" (the shrine ruins in the sea of fragments are a reflection of Eua's heart soiled by boredom); This story also had Hanyuu as just a 2nd role played by Eua, simultaneously, even when they're alone. But this part is left vague enough it doesn't necessarily apply to anything else (although the Oyashiro-sama shrine ruins really point to it being the same case in Gou/Sotsu).

The City of Books also popped up in Mei separate from the advertised Umi crossovers. They just referenced its master as a "Great person", without ever calling her by either Featherine or Eua though.
Anonymous No.283504983 [Report]
>>283504848
Kind of realized I didn't make my point about Eua, but R07's script for Eua in Mei just made her sound identical to Featherine, unlike the anime's.
Anonymous No.283506236 [Report]
>>283502772
Unironically couldn’t believe they did this. At that point I half expected R07 to show up on screen and reveal it was all a joke.
Anonymous No.283507155 [Report] >>283508003
>>283503450
I can help with my tongue.
Anonymous No.283508003 [Report] >>283509092
>>283507155
You will be licking off the floor then.
the floor on which Rika-chan's feet walked on
Anonymous No.283509092 [Report]
>>283508003
>tfw ywn lick the floor of their apartment clean after these three have been walking all over it barefoot in the summer heat
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Anonymous No.283511659 [Report] >>283518985
>>283500119
The reason I don't think the piece witches have anything in common with the voyagers is that "witch" is arbitrary for them. The gamemaster could introduce bigfoot too or make pieces skinwalkers, it's all just made up. The voyagers however seem to "exist" on another level. In terms of real world impact there is somehow a connection between
>Rika becomes jaded due to looping
leading to
>Ange has weird dreams with a Rika lookalike in it

If we're to take this as anything beyond the author winking at the reader, then that's the root of the "witch" stuff. You can argue that witches might have done other stuff like move Ange into a fragment where Battler's physical body still existed but it's all deniable. The only supernatural entity with clear obvious effects on the real world was Hanyuu, who doesn't seem to be a witch.
Anonymous No.283511966 [Report] >>283512013 >>283514035
>>283499443
>>283429100
Anonymous No.283512013 [Report] >>283520042
>>283511966
Mion lost again....
Anonymous No.283512582 [Report]
Sometimes, Mion wins.
Anonymous No.283513981 [Report]
Anonymous No.283514035 [Report] >>283515509
>>283511966
Mion is very molestable
Anonymous No.283514477 [Report]
Post your shiprankings now
Anonymous No.283515509 [Report] >>283515886
>>283514035
She's literally asking for it.
Anonymous No.283515765 [Report]
>>283404141
Quite genuinely. Ryukishi is sitting on absolute gold with Ciconia (and the WTC narrative as a whole) and it would be his greatest sin as a writer not to see it through out of some weird moral sensibility of his
Anonymous No.283515886 [Report] >>283516312 >>283518411 >>283519603
>>283515509
Okay but realistically how can Mion fight this off
Anonymous No.283516312 [Report]
>>283515886
Realistically the only way I can see her getting free is by psychologically manipulating Rena by bringing up her past and distracting her with delusions long enough to make an escape. But of course since this tactic involves holding knowledge that Mion could never have, she pretty much has no chance of not being Renamolested...
Anonymous No.283517944 [Report]
>>283385765 (OP)
Anonymous No.283518411 [Report] >>283518979
>>283515886
only if she distracts Rena with something kyute enough to draw her attention
Anonymous No.283518979 [Report] >>283521067
>>283518411
The problem with that is that she’s the kyute thing Rena currently has her eyes on. She’s have to get something even kyuter.
Anonymous No.283518985 [Report]
>>283511659
Hanyuu is a part/clone/piece of Eua (she's outright referenced as a part of Eua in Sotsu, it's just whatever is the meaning of that isn't elaborated upon), who is a witch.
Anonymous No.283519603 [Report] >>283520955
>>283515886
>Okay but realistically how can Mion fight this off
She doesn't. She accepts her fate.
Anonymous No.283520042 [Report]
>>283512013
But then Shion comes and wins and Rena loses
Anonymous No.283520752 [Report]
Anonymous No.283520955 [Report] >>283522811
>>283519603
Accepting fate is antithetical to Higurashi, tho.
Anonymous No.283521067 [Report] >>283521785
>>283518979
What could possibly be kyuter than Mii-chan's shy reactions to her boobs being fondled
Anonymous No.283521785 [Report]
>>283521067
Exactly. Thus Mion has no chance of escape.
Anonymous No.283522811 [Report] >>283525087
>>283520955
>mion becomes a looper
>gets molested by rena in every world
>has to gain the courage and will over a hundred years to fight against this unmovable fate
>brings together all of the club to stop rena from making her squeal
Could she win? Would this be enough to break Rena’s iron will to molest?
Anonymous No.283523129 [Report]
>>283490254
>that one tip of Rena and Mion laughing
Without the voice acting the conversation is fairly innocent, though Mion brings up Oyashiro-sama's curse rather glibly for that point in the story. Makes me wonder how closely Ryukishi was involved with the voice acting.
Anonymous No.283523768 [Report] >>283529717
I really don't understand how anyone could still be a fan of the series after Gou, why are you still coming here anon? There is nothing to look forward to
Anonymous No.283523822 [Report] >>283524285
were any of you spoiled before reading/watching the main story?
Anonymous No.283524285 [Report]
>>283523822
I actually managed to avoid the vast majority of spoilers so it was really a ride. Had a lot of fun trying to come up with all sorts of theories about what was happening and everytime when I thought I got it, the story did a slide into a different direction which left me with more questions than answers.
Even if a lot of the confusion stemmed from how Ryukishi's story ideas changed overtime, that was his writing in it's prime and it made for an interesting mystery that hooked a lot of people along for the ride.
Anonymous No.283525087 [Report] >>283526029
>>283522811
>mion's loop is to avoid Rena's hardcore affection
Sounds better than being murdered every loop and it would be fun to watch.
Anonymous No.283525498 [Report] >>283525588
Had a dream about Hanyuu. She was really cute.
Anonymous No.283525588 [Report] >>283532150
>>283525498
Tell us more
Anonymous No.283526029 [Report] >>283526424
>>283525087
Why is Mion fighting back? I thought she'd enjoy Rena choking her out....
Anonymous No.283526424 [Report] >>283526439
>>283526029
Looks more like she's tapping out, everyone has their limits especially since how strong Rena is.
Anonymous No.283526439 [Report] >>283528367
>>283526424
She should take it easy and enjoy herself.
Anonymous No.283528367 [Report]
>>283526439
It’s all fun and games until you wake up in the next world.
Anonymous No.283529717 [Report] >>283530000
>>283523768
I simply deny the new stuff’s existence with my powerful will.
Anonymous No.283530000 [Report]
>>283529717
This is the unironic answer and it works for every other IP as well.
If after 10 years the author of a series you like says "this thing is actually X! (that was never implied in the original series)" and it retroactively ruins the series for you then you might be retarded.
It makes sense to accept the dumb stuff as fact if that's part of the original release, but it's all fiction, why would you care about what anyone considers canon many many years later?
I believe most people know how not to care about that stuff to the point they're not even conscious about it, but there's some people who feel like they have to accept everything because "an authority said so".
t. didn't consume anything besides the original vn
Anonymous No.283532150 [Report] >>283533464
>>283525588
I can't remember any of the finer details, but she was hanging around all happy and cheerful until she suddenly had a vision of another world that really scared her, and she couldn't escape it. I tried to comfort her but to no avail. Made me sad, but she looked very cute.
Anonymous No.283533464 [Report] >>283533960
>>283532150
Hope she cheered up in that part of the dream that you forgot
Anonymous No.283533827 [Report]
>>283385765 (OP)
She is based on The Princess from Guardian Tales (A Switch and PC game)
Anonymous No.283533960 [Report]
>>283533464
That's a nice thought, thanks anon.