Is the inceldoom just some cope ?
Is this just some categories of women playing hard to get ? Or us, wanting a specific type of women ?

i couldn't tell you man. I'm 28, all my friends live out of state and theyre married.

One just tells me i need to seek therapy in almost a "dont bother me with this shit" tone when i tell him I feel chronically lonely.

The other always tells me when i start talking to a girl that its a bad idea.

Neither of them are on frequently because they are spending time with their wives

I don't even really know how to go out and meet people IRL. The only person who ever wants to hang out with me IRL is my assistant manager at work, and hes 42, divorced and remarried with 6 or 7 kids.

>>33334441
so you also have a problem with friends ? Did you try to identify your problems ?

>>33334344 (OP)
Honest real answer from someone who would have qualified as an incel like 20 years ago (but we didnt have these demotivational echo chambers in the same degree. And im thankful for that.)

Its not that its "easy". Its a crapshoot. As they keep telling you, a numbers game. Most women aren't interested in you. This is true for absolutely everyone.

But if you're not hiding behind your keyboard, and youre active and exposed to social places and you find the demographic you do well in, then opportunities come up. Youre not done at that point, you gotta then learn to capitalize on them, but, its a process.

Im still socially very snazzy to this day (38) but Im married, and before I met my wife if you gave me like a month with tinder Id have gotten a few dates and likely gotten laid at least once.

I think what's really intimidating for incels is the part as mentioned, truly most women dont care. But they let it intimidate them, act like its not reality for everyone, and fail to realize that its not one dice roll, its many. RNG comes around.

>>33334478
did you use this number game in your favor to meet your wife ?

>>33334344 (OP)
>Is getting a gf easy in reality ?
Trick question.
Is it easy for the vat majority of men?
Yes.
But there is a tiny minority that find it very, very hard.
This is true of many things. Most people find it easy to, say, play baseball or football or handball or something, but a tiny minority of men struggle or even cannot do these things.

>>33334478
This is a point that has been made in virtually ALL of the roughly 4 threads a day on the topic of
>tfw noGF
Rejection is a fact of life for all humans, men and women alike.
If you don't let that paralyze you you will get a GF with effort and time.

>>33334552
This is a very weird question given everything that was just said... yes, eventually I happened to meet a woman and i really liked and as luck would have it she liked me enough to marry me.

I dont know what other answer you were expecting. I didnt summon her from another dimension or build her myself. And honestly its a conversation I bet all couples have like once. If you weren't where you were doing what you were doing when you first met that person, youd never have been with them.

>>33334575
I know and I myself have resaid it a thousand times since I've been on this site. They dont like it much but its reality.
As I said. I used to be kinda incellic myself. And oneitis was my problem. Just focusing on one woman and then not backing out when it didnt work out in my favour and waiting and hoping.
And also being scared to death of talking to people or trying anything new or going anywhere, or feeling like because one woman made you feel bad that means all of them will. I have been there.

And these are the mistakes you'll see again and again and again and again posted in these threads.
But I mean it, their biggest problem more than anything is now they have each other to bounce retarded red pill shit off of and affirm themselves its hopeless so they try even less.

>>33334344 (OP)
Its esy but its hard pretending to be social around her going out with fake people taking pics and using retarded social apps

>>33334344 (OP)
It all comes down to being in the right place at the right time. Like winning the lotto. Most will say that girls don’t fall into your lap, but I beg to differ. It can happen and most likely will happen if you can learn to let go of feeling the desire and start acting as if you already have her and then some.

>>33334470
i have, whenever I've sought help, even from professionals, I'm met with utter indifference and apathy.

>>33334669
Usually that means youre presenting yourself in an "i dont want help" way.
Like youre arguing in bad faith or yiu start regurgitating tired old misunderstood stats rhetoric and talking point weve heard a million times, we know is wrong, but also know from lots of experience, if you hold those beliefs in the first place, youre not gonna listen.
Youre seeing burnout on people like you who've come before you.

>>33334344 (OP)
I can't stop seeing totally ugly - mid guys with deecnt looking girls. Inceldom only exists on forums lol, blackpill is a cope for brown teenagers who moved to the west.

>>33334344 (OP)
You'll either get a woman who makes herself uglier for nothing, doesn't want to have sex, doesn't like your hobbies or type of entertainment, cheats or breaks up at some point. Working harder won't stop it because besides it involving their own personal issues there's endless excuses for these things. Ultimately it's the woman's choice that decides whether you have sex and women usually aren't interested which is why you get guys in relationships not having sex for long periods despite wanting it. Instead of waiting on women or relationships that don't offer much just take care of your own sexual and general health and do something else besides dating. Men in relationships don't usually get much good out of it. Or they don't get enough good in the relationships to make up for the bad and usually stay out of desperation, familiarity and fear.

>>33334781
But are they actually having sex like he wants, is she only seeing him and will they last? Women always fucked ugly guys but there's usually a catch.

>>33334781
>I can't stop seeing totally ugly - mid guys with deecnt looking girls
thus it ever was and always shall be.
the only pill an incel won't swallow is this - women don't care about a man's looks very much

>>33334882
>[retarded incel noises]
FTFY

>>33334894
what catch is there to fucking some broke broccoli head hs/ college zoomie?
Why would a woman waste her time on a guy she's not having sex with?
And to answer, yes - I have plenty of experience seeing my ugly ass friends bringing bitches from the club.


>>33334921
I honestly think it's just about who gets to a woman first. If she doesn't find you extremely repulsive you can talk your way into bed/ a relationship with her. But social skills isn't something that terminally online blackpill ethnics have.

>>33334882
i thought MGTOW was dead

>>>33334882

Apologize, i meant that in sincere way. i would've reworded knew this redditor would appear first

>>33334935

>>33334966
Use English, retard

>>33334882
My favorite part of these threads are the 19 year olds trying to sound profound but only reveal they are KHHVs, like this bozo

>>33334894
if "incel" counts now as having sex, but not having the sex you want, or not guaranteeing an LTR, the term is totally worthless

>>33334997
>Use English, retard
Cringe

>>33334935
Every girl who's turned you down has made you involuntarily sexless. It's not just about you wanting it.
>>33334944
Mgtow was around before it was a word. It's just avoiding serious relationships.
>>33335010
Where was the reveal? You can't argue against anything I said so you didn't even bother.

It's honestly not hard getting a gf, it's hard to get a high quality gf though.

If you've (unintentionally) never had a high quality female relationship in your life, the problem is you, not 4 billion other people.

>>33335196
If you can't get a gf you would actually want there's no point to it. No amount of work on your end will make someone want to fuck you like you want, take care of their bodies or look how you want, be interested in the things you are etc. That's just not how it works.

>>33335271
Well, yeah? I don't understand what you're saying anon, you're supposed to find someone you like, not raise and groom them into who you want them to be lol.

>>33334921
>women don't care about a man's looks very much
they absolutely do, there aren't charming and funny 350 lb guys you see everyday with a gf

>>33335284
What you like as a man probably isn't available because the women mostly have their own issues and don't actually love themselves much less one of the dozens of men they might see in a relationship. If women were trained to deal with relationships better everyone would be better off but that was considered oppression or sexist so now we get the failure you see now.

>>33335302
>there aren't charming and funny 350 lb guys you see everyday with a gf
wat? I know 4 married guys like that from work. In fact married men are the most likely to be fat

>>33335326
Married guys usually experience cheating, dead bedrooms or divorce so it's not such a great deal in practice.

>>33335337
>it's not such a great deal in practice
Married men live several years longer than single men, are physically and mentally healthier, report high life satisfaction and suffer virtually no depression

>>33335353
>virtually no depression
Ima challenge that one. Just that one the rest I know is true. In general at least. There's always exceptions but you know that im sure.

>>33335353
Technically living longer doesn't matter if it's in a marriage involving nagging, no passion, no sex or cheating. Short reports don't show much. And these married men aren't counting all the divorced who are much worse off than normal single guys.

>>33335379
But all those old people who survived in nursing homes should be so happy. They lived longer than the ones who died at 50-60 so what more could they want? They won.

No, it isn't easy at all. If it doesn't naturally happen to you, you have to destroy your soul by playing "the numbers game" or else die alone.

>>33335379
Usually the longer life span is due to satisfaction.
Youd be surprised what that can do for lifespan.

My mom's garbage and my dad hated her and never left. His heart stopped at 68. Allegorical, but, I guarantee if he wasnt so miserable he'd probably have gone for a walk once in awhile instead of wasting away in his basement.

>>33335379
>>33335446
>>33335646
BTW while im at it the reason the men live longer is women get them to their doctors appointments. Theres be studies on this. Men dont tend to take their health seriously when left alone.
Thats the main reason. Not any kind of satisfaction thing.

>>33335176
> Where was the reveal?
The fantasies about women. It’s like a turtle trying to describe flight.
I love how you are so hopeless that you think no man has any power.

>>33335302
>I never leave the house
Edited for accuracy

>>33335646
They're plenty of miserable old people. Usually they can't move around so well. And men who married and got divorced are much more miserable and bitter yet they're counted in the single group effectively dragging it down to push marriage propaganda. Too many things regularly go wrong in marriage besides divorce for it to be worth trying. You get no recourse.
>>33335651
Still again technically living doesn't matter much if the relationship isn't so great, which it usually isn't.

>>33335337
Reality
>less than 1 in 3 first marriages among Millennials or Z end in divorce.
>less than 12% of married women of all generations cheat, it’s lower in Millennials and Z
>the overlap on cheating/divorce is over 90%
>less than 7% of marriages of people under 75 have a dead bedroom and 95% of those are temporary caused by illness, separation, etc.
Incels
>marriage is bad because reasons

>>33335379
Married men are happier, have more friends, have more sex, and so on, too

>>33335674
>women making themselves fat and refusing to fuck their bf/husband repeatedly is a fantasy
How did you get this delusional?

>>33335723
> And men who married and got divorced are much more miserable and bitter
Not true. Divorced men bounce back to being happy and end up much happier than divorced women and tied with never married men.
Why do you just invent fake horror stories?!

>>33335732
>I have only demoralizing lies
lol

>>33334882
You never even tried to ask a girl out, didja’?

>>33335732
>no married man ever got fat, only women
>no man has ever made a woman desire him
>no woman has ever been loyal, ever
>the only value in life is sex, nothing else
Like anon said, the more you write the more you prove you’ve never touched a woman

>>33335725
Millennials and Gen z aren't very old and marriage rates have fallen. Cheating stats are based on what's admitted or said in a moment not objective data found, but even then it can go as high as 50 percent. What's counted as dead bedroom is going 6 months without sex when a fraction of that is a big issue, and the excuses are usually petty like having a "headache" or simply not feeling like it.
So
>marriage is worth it if you leave out and twist information

>>33335741
Divorced men are more suicidal and bitch about their divorce for decades after it happened

>>33335723
Regardless of anything, these are the exact kinds of conversations that require citations.
We cant just say "oh everyone i know who's married is happy" or "Well I think marriage is miserable so Im gonna project my feelings on everyone else."
What does the data say?

>>33335746
>women getting fat and turning down men for sex is a lie
lol
>>33335756
No one said only the women get fat but they do get fat (usually easier and with worse consequences because they're smaller with less muscle too) and refuse sex with their bf/husband all the time. You made up strawmen because you couldn't actually address what I said.

>>33335778
The data is limited but what it says and supports is divorce, cheating and or withholding sex in these relationships is common. One or more of these things happening is common so based on that it makes sense to avoid marriage. It's not just because you FEEL like it's miserable when what usually happens with marriages is miserable.

>>33335779
>usually easier and with worse consequences because they're smaller with less muscle too)
The medications they're on including birth control can make them gain weight too

>>33335797
I severely doubt the data is limited on the outcomes of the most common Sacrament in the entire world...
Provide it. Not just say "well it says what i think".
I didnt even have a horse in this race or care what it said, was just curious, but youre definitely now making yourself sound stupid.

>>33334344 (OP)
I think most incels are just extremely anti-social, which is why the idea of going out to the movies on a date or going to bars to meet girls is just this completely dreadful insurmountable task.

For a normal guy, going to bars and to the movies and going out dancing is something they'd be doing anyways - so it doesn't feel like a punishment or humiliation ritual for them. They're certainly not gonna be keeping bills and making spread sheets and then coming up with a cope about how it's only logical to buy hookers because it's cheaper.

But yeah there's also plenty of incels that have just an endless list of demands for their future girlfriend
>she has to be a virgin
>she also has to be sex-craved and hungry for my cock
>she can't dye her hair
>she can't have any piercings
>she's not allowed to go out dancing with female friends
>she's not allowed to travel
>she can't be from a dating app
>she can't be on social media
>she can't have any male friends
>she can't have any female friends either
>she has to have a high school diploma but mustn't have any sort of college degree
>she's not allowed to wear two-piece bathing suits at the beach or swimming pool
>she's not allowed to go to the beach or swimming pool

it just goes on and on

and then there's the careercels/workcels who were misguided by other careecels/workcels into thinking that they need to like buy a million dollar mansion before being able to even start to think about going on their very first date.

but really I think the common thread is that most incels don't enjoy socializing - whether it's with women on a date or just having friends or some sort of social life in general.

>>33335820
The data is limited on things like cheating and the actual practical consistent happiness in marriage. So far the data you guys have brought up about cheating or being happy involves asking about it in small moments during a year and then pretending everything is known. To actually find accurate information you would have to monitor people constantly in a way that violates privacy. It's already been done by the ones in charge of phones or social media or the government but they're using that for their own purposes not to answer these important questions.

>>33335830
Incels or guys who are denied sex are among normal men. What normal average men are getting sex from women whenever they actually want? Seriously. And the things you listed are either things incels don't care about or is just having boundaries and not showing your body off for, hanging out with or getting drunk with (when it's a fact women can't handle alcohol as well as men) men who want to fuck you. It's also implying women don't have similar lists, boundaries or possessiveness. This is just plain reddit tier lying to complain about incels.

>>33335830
>>33335883
>>she's not allowed to go out dancing with female friends
This one is especially funny. Who the fuck is going to female only clubs? Everyone knows they're not just dancing with friends lol.

>>33335883
If you were a normal guy, you wouldn't call yourself an incel nor would other people call you an incel. You would just be a guy.

>>33335895
Most women at clubs are just a giggling gaggle of geese dancing with each other in an impenetrable circle of gay women energy.

Plus the whole "dancing at clubs, travelling, social media, not being a virgin" etc thing is something that incels get retroactively mad at. Especially not being a virgin.

Like somehow the girl fucked one guy 5 years before she ever met you to pre-emptively make you mad and jealous. Time travelling magic.

>>33335920
Anyone who hurts women's feelings or says anything negative about them is called incel anyway. Married men with kids are called incel anyway. I'm pointing out the simple fact that you and many of the other average have involuntarily gone without sex and will indefinitely because that's the actual meaning of the word. You are just a guy, a guy who doesn't actually get a say in when they have sex in or out of relationships. You should be more honest about the actual reality here.
>Most women at clubs are just a giggling gaggle of geese dancing with each other in an impenetrable circle of gay women energy
You don't see most or even a quarter of these women but they've been caught many times intentionally showing off tits + ass while dancing with, flirting with or fucking with guys that are there. Guys who go sexless ignore virginity to their detriment all the time. If women's sexual history didn't matter you wouldn't see them with baggage or attachments or expectations forced on the new guy based on her exes. Pretending something that clearly matters for a relationship doesn't matter is dumb and doesn't get you much anyway. Women get jealous over men LOOKING at bitches and might even call it cheating but you're unironically thinking it's weird guys have a problem with a girl they're trying to take seriously getting creampied by other men.

>>33335970
>everyone is an incel, actually

shut up dude

god I miss the 1990s, or even the 2000s, or fuckin hell even the first half of the 2010s before the internet gave everyone brain damage

back in my day if you were a virgin, you were just a guy who hadn't had sex yet. No need to join the incel cult. Same with someone who was in a shitty relationship way past the honeymoon period - or married couples with three fuckin kids. We didn't make the lack of sex our entire identity like you terminally online freaks.

Not everything is about sex either, people who are married have no right to be complaining about the lack of sex. Marriage isn't about sex.

>>33335759
Millennials are in their fucking late 40’s, you retard.
And the data is very sound and easily replicated.
The divorce rate was *NEVER* 50%, that is a lie in center by feminists.
>you are absolutely correct, I am lying about dead bedrooms, but imma double down
FTFY
FFS, you’ve never even been to a whore, have you?

>>33335797
> The data is very clear but what it says and supports is divorce, cheating and or withholding sex in these relationships is very uncommon
Edited for accuracy

>>33335994
By the definition almost every guy is involuntary going without sex, which is what incel actually means. I don't care if you think someone needs to call themselves that before the label fits or they need to have it used as a buzzword insult by offended women or simps. You don't need to join any cult just use words more accurately. Sex isn't the only thing that matters but it's extremely important and marriages without regular sex are worse off. That's why you've always had married men complaining about it. Only a freak would argue sex doesn't matter much because other things exist.

>>33336022
>By the definition almost every guy is involuntary going without sex, which is what incel actually means.
Please stop trying to lower other men down to your level and attempting to join your internet death cult.

No one fuckin called themselves that until like 8 years ago.

>Sex isn't the only thing that matters but it's extremely important and marriages without regular sex are worse off. That's why you've always had married men complaining about it. Only a freak would argue sex doesn't matter much because other things exist.
Not my problem that idiots marry girls for their looks and body.

>>33336010
Last I checked 40s was still middle aged not end of life. And how old are the zoomers you mentioned? The data on cheating and happiness in marriage isn't watching people regularly to see just how happy or faithful in general they actually are sorry you had to learn it like this. Just rarely asking people about it isn't accurate information. They wait up to 6 months to count it as dead bedroom and women don't only turn down sex because of serious illness, that's not a lie and anyone can do a search to confirm that.

>>33336037
I'm not lowering men I'm explaining what the words you're using mean because you don't understand it. You're mad and in denial about a new label for something that's always happened. You don't get a choice in having sex when you want.
>Not my problem that idiots marry girls for their looks and body.
Uglier and plain women turn down sex too. How fucking dumb are you lmao

>>33336010
>The divorce rate was *NEVER* 50%, that is a lie in center by feminists
All it did was include more than first time marriages during the 80s when women were cashing out on no fault divorce becoming a thing, also shortly after the sexual revolution, so they could get paid by their ex to ride moar cock. You motherfuckers counted divorced worse off men as single to shill marriage yourselves anyway.

>>33336010
>>33336046
The average age of marriage is also now fucking 30 KEK. But don't worry bro the oldest fucking millennials I mentioned when also talking about zoomers divorce rates are mid 40s. They spent so much time together and they're heckin fine!

>>33335883
Husband
>I was hoping to have sex but my wife has stomach flu and is vomiting. I’ll wait until she’s well
This 45 IQ gooner
>THAT MAKES HIM AN INCEL! THIS PROVES MARRIAGE IS TOTAL SHIT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

>>33336022
Only getting sex 4 times a week instead of everyday does NOT make an incel, you tool.

>>33336148
>The only reasons women deny sex to their husbands is because they're all mostly or even half the time dying and shitting out their mouth
Fucking KEK imagine trying to lie like this to shill marriage

>>33336063
what if everyone from a niche part of the internet started calling men bicurious, or genderfluid? That'd be stupid, right?

>sex sex SEEEEEEEEX

how much of a underage raging virgin are you bro, OP didn't even ask about sex in the first place, just how to get a gf.

>>33336063
Celibate
>someone who never has sex, ever
You
>ACKSHUALLLLLY if your wife says no even once you are now celibate

>>33336155
It actually could if you wanted to have sex more often, but how common is sex 4 times a week and for what age range?

>>33336164
>>33336063

being like
>if you've ever watched pornographic movies involving a naked man and his erect penis, you are officially bicurious - and if you've ever watched pornographic movies involving naked women and their female bodies then you are genderfluid. I am only explaining the new label to you and you have no choice but to accept it

and I just have to accept that this is the new reality of the year 2028? fuck off with that and the "everyone is an incel" nonsense.

>>33336167
bro is getting married when he's 12 years old

>>33336164
>what if everyone from a niche part of the internet started calling men bicurious, or genderfluid? That'd be stupid, right?
How is saying men are gay or don't identify as a man the same as saying they don't have sex when they want? Again this is a failure to understand words.
>how much of a underage raging virgin are you bro, OP didn't even ask about sex in the first place, just how to get a gf
Why exactly would op not want to have sex with their gf? So you're illiterate and have zero common sense

>>33336165
What wives deny their husbands sex only once in the entire marriage? But in general if their wives refuse to have sex then they're involuntarily going without it. It's against their will or what they want.

>>33336184
>How is saying men are gay or don't identify as a man the same as saying they don't have sex when they want?
That's just a new label that was made up last week and you have no choice but to accept.

>Why exactly would op not want to have sex with their gf?
Maybe he's a virgin, and he's got some OCD hang ups about STDs or accidental pregnancies, or he was molested real bad as a kid.

Loads of reasons why people don't immediately have sex with their bf/gf

ITT: the Incel Motte and Bailey
The initial statement (the Bailey)
>every wife cheats, divorces, and gets fat. Every marriage has no sex.
When people point out this is retarded the Incel retreats to the exaggerated defense (the Motte)
>this idiot claims no wife ever gets fat! He’s lying and saying no marriage is sexless!
It can also be called the Double Lie or the Strawman Shuffle.

>>33336167
>duuuuuuuur me not know what celibate mean, huuuuuuur

>>33336191
>deny their husbands sex
>>33336159
>women deny sex to their husbands
It's totally normal and very healthy that you view sex as something that women OWE men - and not an extension of romantic emotions.

What about when dudes are tired from work, had the shits all day, or for whatever other reason they're not in the mood to be having sex that day? Does that make the women femcels as well?

>>33336176
>if you've ever watched pornographic movies involving a naked man and his erect penis, you are officially bicurious
Bi curious means wanting to have some kind of sex with men as a man. If you watched porn and thought of wanting to fuck the guy then yeah you're bi curious. Gender fluid means you want to be called a woman or something else as a man.

>>33336167
When we first married my wife and I yad sex 15-16 times a week.
Now in our 40’s is only about 4 times a week.

>>33336184
‘Not having sex every time they want it’ =/= ‘celibate’.
Stop inventing new stupid definitions for words, 3rd worlder

>>33336191
>ACKSHUALLY married men having sex 4 times a week are incels
I hope you’re a fucking troll

>>33336196
You're trying to make a point but it fails because you don't understand what words mean. Involuntarily celibate or sexless was always what incel meant.
>Maybe he's a virgin, and he's got some OCD hang ups about STDs or accidental pregnancies, or he was molested real bad as a kid
>Loads of reasons why people don't immediately have sex with their bf/gf
So some scenario you made up and op didn't say is why you're insisting op wouldn't want to have sex with their gf? No one said immediately either but you're really arguing sex wouldn't be something they would be interested in. Pretty stupid

>>33336218
If you behold the sight of another man's erect penis and you maintain an erect penis of you own, you are bicurious.

If you find women attractive, you're genderfluid.

SoRrY tHeSe aRe tHe NEw lAbEls i'M jUsT eXPlaIniNg wHat TheY mEaN huurrr durrr

same as "you're incel if your wife or gf is on her period"

>>33336184
> Why exactly would op not want to have sex with their gf?
You never heard of religious people?

>>33336244
>Involuntarily celibate
"it's not my fault that I'm weird and anti-social and gross and overly demanding and overbearing and immature and that I hate women and also hate men and society at large - it's involuntary! It's society's fault! somehow"

>>33334344 (OP)
I've never had a problem, personally. Despite being a socially anxious NEET, porn/vidya addict etc. for most of my life, women have always been into me and even made the first move much of the time. I've always had my pick and even at 35 years old I still get frequent compliments, but admittedly they don't directly ask me out anymore.

Bear in mind I am also 6'3", physically attractive and /fit/ because I am autistically obsessed with my phyiscal health. But I am a completely social retard and shut-in.

>>33336205
The topic is involuntarily celibacy not regular celibacy
>>33336216
You could argue technically nothing is owed to anyone but sex is a need in marriage or romantic relationships for pretty much all but the asexual. Similar to how money is a need and want and women expect or even forcibly take it from men. If you're in a relationship that likely included vows about loving/caring for and having sex with/holding your partner why exactly would you dismiss the importance of sex with them? Would say you're not owed love because you're busy and annoying? Pretty weird to marry with someone you don't like or care about much. If women are denied sex by their husbands they're sexless without choice in the matter too yes but it's far less common. Bringing up diarrhea is like you bringing up the women having vomit or flu, if it was that bad or constant you'd probably die.

>>33335725
I've seen enough family and friends get fucked over in a marriage and I don't want any of that noise. One friend got lucky that he secretly recorded his ex-wife hitting herself so she could get custody of the kids and claim abuse. Shit was wild and he was freaking out to me about it. Then he got remarried and now he's got 6 total kids, 2 his own. Had a co-worker too who got cheated on, and the wifey left him and drew up divorce papers when he was away on work, blue collar traveling job. Then another family friend left her hubby and kiddie behind to run off with her rich boss that she humped behind his back. No fucking thanks.

>>33336280
>sex is a need in marriage
if you're like, 19 years old, sure.

The whole point of marriage is to be with someone you would still love even if they lost their looks and body - because they will lose their looks and body. If they don't get fat, they'll just grow old.

You're really gonna be sitting there as a 75 year old all "I DEMAND MY SEX QUOTA RIGHT THIS MINUTE KATHLEEN, MY PENIS PILLS ARE ACTIVATED, SHOVE THAT LUBE UP THAT RUSTY DUSTBIN THAT USED TO BE A PUSSY"

You're absolutely obsessed with sex because you probably are just 19 years old or whatever, and a complete virgin.

>>33336280
Celibacy means never having sex.
Ever.
If you’ve had sex ONCE EVER you are not celibate.
Why?
Because ‘celibate’ means ‘no sex EVER’.
You are literally too ignorant to use words

>>33336234
>Not having sex every time they want it’ =/= ‘celibate’.
We're talking about involuntarily celibacy and that's the actual definition
>>33336245
Bi curious means wanting to be with the man in person. Periods aren't the only reason women refuse sex and women still have sex while on their period. Probably not with you though.
>>33336246
Religous is vague and doesn't mean much
>>33336264
All you listed could be and has been avoided but the men were still denied sex. Guys could do that and still get laid occasionally. Women don't give or withhold sex based on what offends nobodies on 4chans reddit board

>>33336294
Don’t lie.
You don’t have any friends

>>33336313
Ah yes, my friends from HS and college that I keep in contact with are not my friends, silly me, you know best anon.

>>33336310
>We're talking about a completely meaningless term created by zoomers last week, who all have a permanent victim complex from being raised by image boards, also the term means nothing but also everything

cool

>>33336310
>All you listed could be and has been avoided but the men were still denied sex. Guys could do that and still get laid occasionally. Women don't give or withhold sex based on what offends nobodies on 4chans reddit board
So explain to me what's ingerently wrong or evil or whatever with "denying sex".

Whether you're a man, or a woman. You don't feel like getting your dick hard, or your pussy wet, and then getting all sweaty and messy and having to clean up afterwards etc. For whatever reason, doesn't matter what the reason is.

What's wrong with not having sex, when you don't feel like having sex?

>>33336305
Sex is a need if you're healthy which a 19 year old is more likely to be. Bad health usually lessens or removes sex drive. Things like low testosterone, depression or side effects of meds remove or lessen libido. A healthy person is likely to want sex constantly because that's how they were created. Even old people have sex, they've also been found to have more testosterone than younger guys in cases. Getting old isn't a good excuse to get fat or unhealthy especially considering habits contributing to fatness or otherwise bad health. You and many others chose to accept worse health so you age faster and worse while pretending it was inevitable. You're a lesser human by choice trying to lecture me about how things should be. Very sad.
>>33336308
No virginity means never ever having sex, celibacy has no specific limit and just means being sexless by choice. Involuntary celibacy is sexlessness without choice.

>>33336331
It means involuntary celibacy or going sexless without choice. Sorry you can't understand simple terms.
>>33336339
Denying sex in a monogamous relationship can be wrong because the person is dependent on just you in that context unless they cheat. Women will also hypocritically get mad if their men masturbate to other women so they'll cut off that option too. Not having sex for actual emergencies makes sense but for more petty reasons it doesn't make much sense. If you're really that uninterested in sex you have to wonder why you even got into that type of relationship with someone who was interested. Just have a roommate or live with your mom at that point.

>>33336343
>Sex is a need
It's not.

No one dies from not having sex in the span of 72 hours.

>Even old people have sex
They don't have sex 8 times a day or whatever rate you're thinking of.

In your mind, if you're "denied" sex more than 0 times, even if you're having sex 99% of the time you feel like it, you're an epic incel same as some 50 year old who has never even been on a date - let alone had sex.

>>33336365
>Denying sex in a monogamous relationship can be wrong because the person is dependent on just you in that context unless they cheat. Women will also hypocritically get mad if their men masturbate to other women so they'll cut off that option too. Not having sex for actual emergencies makes sense but for more petty reasons it doesn't make much sense. If you're really that uninterested in sex you have to wonder why you even got into that type of relationship with someone who was interested. Just have a roommate or live with your mom at that point.
But what if you don't feel like having sex, that one time, on that particular day?

>>33336371
It's not a need to live like water or food but it is what you're designed to want and do regularly, and the consequences of going without it do still contribute to worse health and faster death. You can eat poison that makes you weaker for your whole life, would you then argue quality food and water isn't a need or needed for people?
>They don't have sex 8 times a day or whatever rate you're thinking of
No one mentioned any specific amount of times but you. They probably do go without sex too but the point was to say doesn't just disappear because you get old.
>even if you're having sex 99% of the time you feel like it, you're an epic incel same as some 50 year old who has never even been on a date - let alone had sex
Another strawman. I never said sexless people are exactly the same because they're obviously not. And who is having sex like they want 99 percent of the time? It's more likely 99 percent don't experience this. All you have is lying at this point

>>33336377
Then the person dependent on you is worse off and will be for however long you "don't feel like it". It's usually not just a day. That's why they go as far as waiting 6 months to consider these bedrooms dead.

>>33336371
>>33336396
>They probably do go without sex too but the point was to say *sex drive doesn't just disappear because you get old

>>33336396
I just want to clarify that despite acknowledging going without sex can and does measurably kill you faster my argument is still for men to make the best of the situation with masturbating single, because besides women not being reliable for sex they bring a bunch of other issues and stresses on top of the sexlessness that causes lower quality of life and earlier death anyway.

>>33336343
>me dumb, me think can have sex and be sexless
FTFY

>married man on his honeymoon
>fucked his bride 3 time yesterday and 2 times today
>kisses her
>she says’ wait an hour, I’m sore!’
Incel retard
>HE’S AN INCEL!

>>33336505
If you're not having sex when you actually want to you're going sexless. Show the exact amount of time you're referencing that's needed for the definition to count since you're so smart.

>>33336515
>If he's going without sex when he doesn't want to then he's involuntarily celibate
Yeah that's the definition. There's different degrees to it but that's how it works. I don't see any specific time needed for it to count as celibacy or involuntary celibacy and none of you have proven most people only go without sex once or a few times during the whole relationship.

Again they wait 6 months to officially consider it a dead bedroom. Why is that if guys only go an hour, a day or few without sex? Why is that if they're only being turned down because of their partners period or them shitting their brains out? How do they survive that long then?

>>33336521
>>33336541
I fucking LOVE IT!
Look, everyone! Now Chad is an incel!

>>33336521
>if you sleep you are not sleepless even if you wanted 8 hours and only got 7
>if you eat you are not godless even if you wanted pie with your steak
Hint: if you have ANY sex you are not sexless or celibate.
THAT’S WHAT THOSE WORDS MEAN!

>>33336573
"Incels" like the ones you're referencing have already been calling each other fakecels or truecels for years already. They also complained when the meaning of their label got brought up because people mentioned they could just get prostitutes. They already acknowledged there's different tiers to the experience. You're just slow and can't accept the actual definition I'm describing is accurate.

>>33336586
The definition of celibate doesn't put a specific limit or exact number on the amount of time gone without sex and neither does involuntarily celibacy, it just mentions generally going without sex by choice or without your choice. Only virgins are considered people who never had any sex.

>>33336586
*not foodless

>>33334344 (OP)
if you're too ugly and don't lower your standards inceldoom is real
otherwise it's just people throwing a tantrum that an 8/10 don't want anything with them when they themselves don't want anything with their looksmatches

>>33336607
> The definition of celibate doesn't put a specific limit or exact number on the amount of time gone without sex
Yes.
It does.
Any sex = not celibate.
There are dictionaries online, moron.
FFS, one of the definitions of celibate is NEVER MARRIED, so technically any married man cannot be celibate anyway!

>>33336627
You can be average or above average and still not get sex from a similar woman because the sexes aren't rated the same. Guys are more desperate and accept less in women and women don't just want equality in practice, they want a guy much better than them or other guys. If you're average with an average gf or wife she can and usually will refuse to have sex for any or no reason.

>>33336521
BEHOLD AN INCEL!
>his wife didn’t have sex with him the day after giving birth

>>33336664
not really
go out and see couples for yourself
being here and being fed a discourse with supporting videos is totally different to what you see if you actually go out and see what it's like IRL

>>33336650
Any sex just means not a virgin. Give us a screenshot showing the specific time needed before you're counted as celibate. Celibate is talking about marriage AND sex, because for the vast majority of people you're expected to have sex in marriage or a romantic relationship. Guys do semen retention while married or dating meaning they choose not to have sex. Involuntary celibate means going without sex when you want to have sex. Single guys without a gf or wife have sex when they want to more often than married men. Not all of them but it does happen.

>>33336678
If he didn't have sex when he wanted to he was involuntarily sexless or sexless without choice yeah.
>>33336691
Yes really. Briefly looking at strangers walking together doesn't prove what you think it does.

>>33336713
>briefly
that's your problem

Married people can be celibate or abstain from sex because being in a relationship is only one part of the definition. The other is choosing to go without sex. In the same way you can go without sex against your will or choice in a marriage, which would be involuntarily celibacy. The incels who have their website and what you're scared of being associated with you already had different categories of incels who are seen as more or less severe cases in their community. So even they always knew it's not the same experience for all of them.

>>33336722
No one has time to thoroughly accurately analyze all these couples out here so whatever info you're getting from them is limited. Even if you made friends with a bunch of them you're not going to be able to hang out that often. Your problem is not realizing this

>>33336713
>the word incel has no meaning
FTFY

>>33336742
Incel is involuntarily celibate. Later it was used to mean anyone who hurt women's feelings or as an insult. Not that much more complicated than ass being used to mean a donkey, a butt and a disrespectful person over time.

>>33334656
This is beyond true to such a painful degree, and if you fumble with what you are blessed enough to come across, the pain will haunt you. I fucking hate my life.

>>33336736
you really go out to buy bread and come back to your house running don't you

>>33336796
As opposed to you spending every second outside learning intimate details about every couple you see?

>>33336805
having friends anon, having friends
I have friends who are single, friends who are married, friends who have gfs, and through them I talk to numberless people per year, in similar circumstances and what I said is true
people who looksmatch and are not bitter get someone eventually, people who cry about not getting a girl many points above their own score will eventually isolate and end up in r9k or similar places

>>33336814
Most relationships end in break ups and you don't have the time or role to know most these people that well. No one cares you saw some people get together and know nothing about how their every day relationships actually work.

>you can get someone eventually
Who is supposed to care about this when that someone will either fail to offer what you actually want or need or break up? People are usually worse off from break ups and having their freedom limited by women who don't care much about them.

>>33334441
so why the fuck won't you go to therapy? your issues are probably glaringly obvious to your friends. You're almost 28 dude. Stop moping and make moves to fix it. "my friends are barely on" says it all. Go touch grass and go to therapy

>>33336751
>I am a sensitive snowflake
FTFY

>>33336814
>people who cry about not getting a girl many points above their own score
Also imagine giving this advice as if men don't overrate and women underrate potential partners. If the guys are going to deal with getting denied sex constantly, used for money, getting cheated on or broken up with by women at their looksmatch or below they might as well try to casually fuck a more attractive woman. And that does still happen with average or below women because the amount of actual model tier women without makeup is a minority. The numbers aren't adding up for you to be pretending men are only shooting for women far out of their league. If anything it supports the skewed rating I mentioned. If an actual average guy did try to get with an average girl you would still probably say they're shooting too high.

>>33336867
>I have no counter argument so I cry snowflake
FTFY

Fun fact to remember.
Every Man Is An Incel Faggot is trying to convince you that GFs & wives are Le Bad and that men can never be happy and that you should just LDAR.
Like him.

>>33336751
>correct. I demand incel include every man so I have an excuse to never talk to women
Edited for accuracy

>>33336843
>>33336854
There it is.
Fear.
Pure, naked fear.
Anon would rather die alone that face the possibility of rejection.
His fear is so intense he has to pretend no one can be happy.

>>33336894
If I'm wrong about the actual definition why can't you prove it? All you're stuck doing is insulting and lying. How do you expect men to drastically change women who can't even lose weight for their own sake? Why do you think men should depend on women for sex when women clearly don't want that bother or responsibility? Will you have a point or will it just be double down on lying?

>>33336905
Address the definition of the word I pointed out and explain how it's wrong. Oh wait you can't, that's why you're stuck lying.
>>33336910
Nowhere was I just talking about rejection. It's just a fact women mostly either break up or fail to offer basic things sex in a relationship for many reasons. Prove this wrong or if not explain why I should want to do it. No one said anything about never being happy either because that comes and goes with or without a relationship. Why pretend happiness would be 24/7 in a relationship? Oh yeah you guys have nothing else but wishful thinking and other fantasies about people you don't know.

>>33336931
>It's just a fact women mostly either break up or fail to offer basic things *like sex in a relationship for many reasons

>>33336910
People usually also die alone unless they're insane. If relationships with women were men's only way of being happy or having company at all like you're implying here you would see many more suicides. And if not having fear or wondering about these things before engaging prevented them from happening why do so many divorces and cases of mistreatment still happen? Oh yeah because there's other factors at play, your retardation is just severe enough to think nothing matters but a specific emotion.

The cartoon he posted of the character who sounds like a retard is also friends with a man who's wife lied to and cucked him hard for years. The whole joke was that he didn't even have the slightest doubt about Nancy. There was no fear but what did that do to stop the massive mistreatment? Muh fear though. This whole fucking thread has been retards leaving info out to try and make their points in favor of romantic relationships.

>>33336912
>why can't you prove it?
Three or four people have given the actual definition of the word ITT several times, sperg

>>33337030
You don't even know it's three or four separate people and nowhere has anyone given a specific time needed before celibacy is considered celibacy, no one countered the fact that married people can be celibate because part of the definition is choosing to abstain from sex not just technically being in a relationship. If you had proof or an actual counter to ANY of what I'm fucking saying you could link the post ITT or explain it yourself but you keep failing to.

>>33336931
>every man in the world has needed a ladder. This means every man is a manlet. This definition is perfect and true.
>every man has needed more money. This means every man is poor. Saying this isn’t true means you are a liar.
>anyone who says not all men are poor manlet incels is wrong and bad and stupid because I say so
Next let’s redefine ‘who’re’ to mean ‘any woman that has ever had sex’ so virgin brides are whores

>>33337041
>people who have sex are celibate
lol
lmao, even

>>33337047
How do you address the fact that the definition of celibacy has no specific amount of time mentioned and married people can be considered celibate by abstaining from sex? Oh right you don't which is why you're stuck making false equivalences. Severely retarded

>>33334344 (OP)
It is very easy to get a GF.
Fun, too

>>33337050
If they're choosing not to have sex in a marriage they're still considered celibate because being in a relationship is only part of the definition, if it's forced on them by the other partner or other conditions it's involuntarily going without sex. You have no point.

Celibate means to NEVER have sex.
As the examples show any sex ever = not celibate

>>33337061
But is it easy to get a gf who's attractive, actually loves you and fucks you often or like you want? No

Any sexual activity, ever, means you are no celibate ever again

As every example shows ANY sex EVER means celibacy ends, too

>>33337067
>>33337072
>Cuts off b and only shows a
KEK again all these faggots can do is leave out information

>>33337068
Easy as Hell, actually. Not even an issue

>>33337088
>proves that he means abstinence
lol
>proves married men can’t be celibate
lmao, even

>>33337068
Every incel ever wants only a 10/10 nympho and thinks anything else is failure.

>>33337082
Where does it say only someone who's never had sex can be celibate or abstain from sex?

>>33334344 (OP)
Asking in this board is no different than asking on reddit, good coping tho

>>33337093
OH NO NO NO

>>33337067
>As the examples show any sex ever = not celibate

not true. st Mary of Egypt was a huge slut and then got saved and became celibate

celibate is just vowing to swear off sex/lust forevermore, not being a gold star virgin

>>33337098
>Every incel ever wants only a 10/10 nympho
They want 15/10 when you consider fat women a 10/10

>>33337072
>>33337082
Any sex AFTER you swear to be celibate ruins it

Any sex and lust BEFORE is forgiven

>>33337126
Fat women with makeup, fake hair, fake ass, fake tits/ass/lips, fake profile pics etc. Anyone rating them below 10 must be an incel.

>>33337062
If the wife isn’t in the mood but has sex anyway Feminists say she was raped.
Same outlook as you.
If the wife doesn’t like give no a beer but does it to please her husband Femenists say she was raped.
Exact same outlook as you.
You’re just a Femenist

>>33337138
I didn't say anything about rape just pointing out the fact that if your partner turns down sex you have no choice but to go without sex. More false equivalence.

>>33337146
>I have no idea what false equivalence means
FTFY
Shit up, I ignore feminists

>>33337152
I know you don't know what it means. I bet you run backwards too.

>>33337146
You’re ignoring the actual point.
If your wife has sex with you to please you when she does not want to have sex that’s involuntary intercourse, I.e., rape.
So either sex is
Actual Sex Havers
>a complex process of negotiating different desires and wants to meet a mutually acceptable outcome, or
KHHV incels with autism
>the false dichotomy of either getting everything you want whenever you want OR inceldom/rape
Pro tip: the people with the social skills to actually have sex understand that mutual cooperation != involuntary

>>33337170
It's not rape because they're giving permission to get what they want. It's like a guy saying he got raped at McDonald's checkout. Actual rape involves ignoring their words and taking it or drugging them. You're just stupid.

>>33337170
>>33337179
>Pro tip: the people with the social skills to actually have sex understand that mutual cooperation != involuntary
Where's the mutual cooperation when women repeatedly deny sex for no serious reason while expecting and demanding money or labor? It's just one sided like it usually is. I know I mentioned getting raped at a checkout but women have actually forced money out of men using threat of death by police or other men they know for years and it's seen as justified. It's not mutual or equal in actual practice because women are clearly prioritized over men even when the logic isn't consistent. Consent is treated as irrelevant if it's a man in the west.

>>33334344 (OP)
Nice digits, the real world is very different to what the internet portrays, just keep that in mind. Throw all the fucking incel beta cuck bullshit lingo out the window and suddenly things begin sounding reasonable.

Dating is easy or hard depending on if you're willing to date fat women.

>>33337306
also not hung up on race

>>33337315
Or her having kids, bpd, etc. I realized that even though our standards are not unreasonable, its very abnormal for men to have pretty much any standards for selecting women. Even Jeff Bezos settled for a bog faced single mother.

Nothing wrong with ignoring fat women, but you must understand that men much better than us will have to settle for them or die alone.

>>33334344 (OP)
yes if you're handsome
no if you're ugly
personally, i'm so fucked i've literally made women scream in fear before

>>33337366
Those rich people hide a lot from the public so I don't think you should trust anything they show

>>33336198
>The initial statement (the Bailey)
The (correct) statement is that only about 15% percent of women are monogamous. The other 85% of women have multiple sexual partners, either through fornication, adultery, or divorce.

34 year old virgin. I just don't see a point in trying. It's almost comical thinking I have a chance to make friends, date, or have sex

>>33337062
nigger if you're not baiting you're fucking insane and retarded

>>33336877
?
you're assuming too much out of people anon
and you base very strong opinion on very weird assumptions.
most people I've talked to have a kinda normal scale on what a 1 and what a 10 is, maybe the 6s and the 7s get muddled a bit, and the 5s are always called ugly until you ask them if they're actually ugly and then they tell you "oh, well, not ugly but not pretty either" and you tell them, "so, regular looking"
weirdly some people prefer you being a bit ugly but with some distinctive characteristing over being a solid 5 with such bland features you're almost a non entity.
but those are the minority, most people prefer 5s to 4s.
anyways talk to more people IRL and don't give up on the game before even starting just because you have weird assumptions of people out there.

>>33338215
Do you have any ideas on how/why you ended up this way? Was it one or a series of events during your formative years?

For me I think a combination of things.
>parents never showed love to each other in front of me
>first ever crushes as a <12yo all rejected me badly
>only 1 girl was interested in me in all of HS, during first half of the first year
>no women have been receptive to my mere presence since then

So, forever really, my brain doesn't/can't comprehend the possibility that a girl would want romantic relations with the likes of myself. As in, it's not a thing that can happen. Thinking of what it might be like causes a mental bsod.

>>33334344 (OP)
>Is getting a gf easy
yes
lower your standards

>>33334344 (OP)
It's "easy" in that it isn't proportional to effort, it's mostly luck and opportunity. Getting the opportunities is the hard part but work is not a guarantee of results. Simple as innit.

>>33335830
A lot of those "demands" are just exaggerated versions of normal things. Not wanting your gf to be loose, spending too much time in male company, dressing minimally are pretty normal. I'm married and do not want her doing these things just as she would be similarly uncomfortable with me over-socializing like that.

>>33337199
You're one of those retards that think men get arrested for just talking to women, aren't you?

>>33339296
Instead of addressing the fact that women have forced money out of men or their exes using the police or government for years and no one gave a shit about it the same as a man forcing a woman to give what he wants you're a bringing up a much rarer and different situation. Because you're fucking stupid and have no actual point against what I'm saying. You're one of those retarded failures who have nothing of value to say. You're only posting to show what I posted bothered you at this point.

>>33339317
>Instead of addressing the fact that men have forced servitude and sex out of women using the culture and societal expectations for years and no one gave a shit about it the same as a woman forcing a man to give what he wants you're a bringing up a much rarer and different situation. Because you're fucking stupid and have no actual point against what I'm saying. You're one of those retarded failures who have nothing of value to say. You're only posting to show what I posted bothered you at this point.
Tell me again how alimony
>which also goes to men
means that you must be an incel.
Or are you just whining that you need a job to have money?
Tell us again how you know how every single woman in the world REALLY thinks and feels better than their own BFs/husbands despite you lacking the ability to talk to them? because that is really funny.

>>33338480
Women do one or more of the things I listed most the time in relationships including underrating the guy. You don't know most people or women specifically. Even if women get with average or ugly guys, even as an average or ugly bitch herself under the makeup, they often treat it like they're doing a favor for someone lesser. Because they have bigger egos to go with their bigger guts.

>>33337199
You changed the subject.
Hard.
Anon was discussing that within a relationship sex is not a hard core business transaction with black/white pass/fail or cooperation/coercion mechanics.
If, as you contend, a woman being too sick to have sex means the husband is not InVoLuNtArIlY cElIbAtE and no different than a KHHV permavirgin sperg then the woman feeling pressure to have sex when she doesn't want to MUST be rape.
You are trying to say men can ONLY be coerced and women CAN NEVER be coerced.
This is obviously false and you repetition of the lie doesn't make it true.
You seem to be aware of this because you, as I pointed out, changed the subject.

>>33339336
>Women do one or more of the things I listed most the time in relationships including underrating the guy
Prove it.
You r opinion is not a fact.
Your unsupported statements contradict the experienced reality of men who actually have GFs and wives.
While you scream with tears in your voice that others can't know everyone specifically (as if that was a counter argument, which it isn't) your next sentence is the declaration you know exactly what every woman in the world ACKSHUALLY thinks, feels, and wants.
You're a bitter, useless man that doesn't understand that you are are not making points, you are revealing your ignorance and insecurities

>>33339333
Alimony AND "child support" have been paid by men in the vast majority of cases and refusing to do so could end with jail time, and if you refuse getting arrested on women's whim they will shoot you like they've done to others and get away with it. And none of this was just about having to be an incel or going without sex when you want it, most men deal with this to various degrees in or out of relationships. This was addressing someone saying marriage is just mutual cooperation when in actual practice it's been working more than the women for the women not for both your sakes equally or mutually. Men are expected to pay women just to hang out with them, before they've even started dating. Most relationships involve one or more of what's listed here >>33336877 and basically no one treats men feeling entitled to sex as they do women feeling entitled to men's labor and money in the west. Women are notoriously passive aggressive or withhold information or avoid confrontation, but if most men in relationships knew their women so well like you're saying why didn't it prevent the outcomes I mentioned? I never said every single woman but most women doing these things is more than enough to decide whether it's worth dealing with. Your stupid ass came back just to leave out some more info and fail again.

>>33334344 (OP)
Being in a relationship with someone requires you to change as a person, to take on new patterns and priorities. It’s not easy but it’s worth it. Life can be easy when you’re young but not so much as you get older and having someone to help and to help you is invaluable.

>>33339349
No the subject is mutual cooperation in the marriage and women failing to do their end is on the subject they're trying to talk about. They were also arguing a woman choosing to do something for a man she doesn't want is rape despite her giving consent like people do for any other transaction. I never said men getting turned down sex were getting raped, you or "anon" brought that up, but by definition they're going without sex against their own choice. I even said a woman turned down by their husband would be in the same situation even if it's rarer. You're just fucking retarded and complaining about shit you didn't pay attention to while pretending it's an argument.

>>33338215
28 and same. I gave up post highschool because the only two times dating I felt extremely uncomfortable with any acts of affection and just uncomfortable in general once it became dating. I'm scared I'll try again and waste someone's time and end up feeling nothing about them.

>>33339364
>Prove it
Marriages end in divorce 40-50 percent of the time, the vast majority initiated by women. It's normal to say men aren't owed sex in relationships so they go extended periods without sex and one of the people trying to shill marriages mentioned only a small percent of marriages (it's 15 percent or less) have dead bedrooms or badly lacking sex lives, when they officially wait 6 months to a year before they consider it dead bedroom. So not only is going with sex common in these marriages but it goes far beyond waiting an hour, a few days, a week or even one month. Imagine pretending you're superior to other sexless men when you're still severely sexless with a partner who took vows that involved having sex and most of them aren't constantly vomiting or dying from sickness when denying sex. Depending on who or where you ask women will admit to cheating up to 50 percent of the time and some will even just say outright women cheat more. All the stats on cheating rely on word from the guilty and don't check to see who's actually cheating or at what rates because they don't have access to that information. Again it's normal to use men for money and before the relationship even starts men are expected to pay up to hundreds or even thousands of dollars just to hang out with or around women, and they can get especially offended if you don't spend enough.

>>33339406
>. I never said men getting turned down sex were getting raped, you or "anon" brought that up,
You just confirmed you are too stupid to understand the point.. there was zero implication the man is "raped", ever, but your low reading skills and low IQ cloaked that from you despite two different people explaining it to you three times.
You're really bad at this, just like you are bad at social interactions.

>>33339513
You brought up rape and claimed I said woman couldn't be coerced when rape is lacking consent and I literally said women can potentially be in the same situation I just talked about men being in. You're bringing up shit that doesn't match and saying it's the same on top of lying about what I said because you have no point. Retarded loser

>>33339483
>Marriages end in divorce 40-50 percent of the time
Non-sequitur, totally unrelated to your point or the question. It does nothing to support your claims, at all.
Further, it is totaly wrong. the divorce rate was never 50%, was briefly 40% over fifty years ago, and is now about 30% for first marriages, lower among Whites.
So you are wrong twice.
>the vast majority initiated by women
Also false, a misreading of one study by a retard that repeated it over and over.
You are 0 for three so far.
>It's normal to say men aren't owed sex in relationships
No. Its not. Even major Christian denominations state clearly that both spouses ARE owed sex within marriage.
Owed.
Catholics and Orthodox even call it 'the marital debt'. Since Christians are the majority of the west you are now 0 for 4.
>only a small percent of marriages (it's 15 percent or less) have dead bedrooms or badly lacking sex lives
Its about 7% at a time, 0 for 5
>imagine pretending you're superior to other sexless men
No one ever claimed men who have sex feel superior to incels except bitter incels.
0 for 6
And this is also off-topic and does nothing to support the points you made,
0 for 7.
>Depending on who or where you ask women will admit to cheating up to 50 percent of the time
No analysis of marriage has ever shown women cheating at over 12.5%, and that was during the height of the Sexual Revolution in the 1970's. The average is about 7%-8%
0 for 8.
>some will even just say outright women cheat more.
No analysis, ever, has shown anything except MEN cheat more in marriage. Over 20% in the 1970's, still about 16% today, or twice the rate of women.
0 for 9.

>>33339550
>All the stats on cheating rely on word from the guilty and don't check to see who's actually cheating or at what rates because they don't have access to that information.
Completely false. Cheating analysis includes divorce data, medical data, and so on. Your belief that there is only one type of analysis just betrays your total ignorance.
0 for 10.
>t's normal to use men for money and before the relationship even starts men are expected to pay up to hundreds or even thousands of dollars just to hang out with or around women
A weird fantasy totally divorced from reality. Repating your lies is not proof.
0 for 11.
Nothing you say is true except that you, yourself, are a KHHV loser.

>>33339539
>You brought up rape and claimed I said woman couldn't be coerced when rape is lacking consent
I never said anything like that, you drooling ape.
If a woman having a different level of desire is a man lacking agency then the same is true the other way.
cope harder, moron

>>33339513
>>33339349
>If, as you contend, a woman being too sick to have sex means the husband is not InVoLuNtArIlY cElIbAtE
How are you calling me low iq when you can't even explain my argument you retarded loser faggot? I was arguing and explaining this entire time what involuntarily celibate is, and any time you want to have sex but are denied for whatever reason it's you going without sex without or against your choice. If she's actually sick and has an excuse that's different than women usually making petty excuses for not doing it, but you're still going without sex again your own wants or will. Because it's not just about your choice. You're dependent on the women choosing yes and the situation, you don't get to have sex just based on your choice.

>>33339550
>Ask for proof of what I listed women doing
>Call the very first thing I described a non sequitur
You're too retarded to talk to. 30 percent divorce rate is only for zoomers and millennials who are just getting married on average at 28-30 like you mentioned earlier. The oldest millennial is only mid 40s. You already tried bringing this up earlier and failed the same. I don't know why you bothered coming back to repeat data that doesn't exist.

>>33339553
>Completely false. Cheating analysis includes divorce data, medical data, and so on
What cheating data? Usually all you bring up is the word of a few people admitting it or not. Where's this data you're talking about and how do things like divorce and medical data catch most or half of cheating that happens? Keep coping and offering nothing of value

>>33339563
>I never said anything like that
>>33339349
>You are trying to say men can ONLY be coerced and women CAN NEVER be coerced
So either you're a samefag or a retarded loser butting into an argument they know nothing about. End your life already.

>>33339613
You forgot that that was within the idea of negotiations for sex inside marriage, you fucking retarded incel trash. Anon had an entire long intro about the context AND YOU MISSED IT
If a woman saying 'i am tired' means the man has NO POWAH then the woman saying 'sure' when she doesn't want to is NO POWAH just the same.
I can't believe you are actually this retarded. You must be an unemployed troll

>>33339633
You forgot I didn't fucking say only men can be coerced you worthless retarded lying pest. You're arguing for "another anon" who was just shown to be lying. Shut your stupid worthless ass up and go back to sucking dick instead of bothering humans.

>>33339349
>within a relationship sex is not a hard core business transaction with black/white pass/fail or cooperation/coercion mechanics
If it was treated as an honest business transaction men would actually have sex regularly instead of waiting months or years not having it while paying and laboring as expected and demanded.

>>33339662
*Because the women would be held responsible for doing their end instead of the guy one sidedly being threatened to do their end.

>>33334344 (OP)
It's either easy or impossible and nothing inbetween

>being an incel means you have sex with your wife only 9 out of 10 times

cool thread, chat.

cool thread

>>33339550
>>33339553
>>33339593
What this loser also forgot to mention, besides leaving out that they have little to no info for people who are only just getting married, is divorce rates for older people have more than doubled. So if EVERYTHING IS FINE and you should get married based on the "low divorce rates" of just recently married people why the fuck are older people divorcing so much? Could it possibly be that the rate changes by the year because people can change their mind? What a crazy fucking concept huh.

>>33339764
See >>33336730
>The incels who have their website and what you're scared of being associated with you already had different categories of incels who are seen as more or less severe cases in their community. So even they always knew it's not the same experience for all of them.
You have less common sense than the most obnoxious incels.

>>33339787
how are you celibate when you have sex

you're like someone trying to call other people vegans, because there's a piece of lattuce in their beef hamburger.

>>33339773
>sorry babe I love you but I can't marry you, I saw scary numbers on 4chan!

do you also never leave the house because sometimes people have car accidents

>>33339797
You're not celibate or choosing to go without having sex if you're having sex no. And there's no specific amount of time in the definition needed for it to be considered celibate. If you went without sex against your own wishes that's the definition of involuntary celibate or incel. Or it's one of the original definitions. Otherwise show from the definition the specific time needed to pass before celibacy is considered celibacy or shut your stupid ass up already.

>>33339814
>f you went without sex against your own wishes that's the definition of involuntary celibate or incel.
so the one time you don't have sex somehow override the 9999999999999 other times you do have sex

cool logic man

again, it's no different than saying you're a vegan because you ate some carrot sticks along with your steak

>>33339804
>Divorce and people changing their mind is all from 4chan
>if other thing happen then divorce don't matter
The smartest redditor

>>33339821
The one time you don't have sex without choice fits the definition of the word involuntarily celibate. You know why you refuse to bring up the specific number in the definition of celibacy? Because it doesn't exist and you have nothing to say.

>>33339822
>>Divorce and people changing their mind is all from 4chan
No but this autism with plugging numbers into a spread sheet to justify why you're still single is certainly a common thread on 4chan.

if maybe the divorce rate was 99% I'd be like "wow that's crazy something is definitely wrong there"

but if I really love a girl? I'll take that 1% chance.

>>33339836
>I make bad bets so you should ignore the information available and do it too
No

>>33339828
>You know why you refuse to bring up the specific number in the definition of celibacy?
The specific number is 0. If you've had sex more than 0 times, you're no longer an incel.

Unless you buy your sex from hookers, you're still part of the incel club as part of a technicality.

and hey here's an idea, what if you're the one who doesn't want to have sex? For whatever reason. Maybe you're tired, you have a headache, your muscles are sore, your wife got fat, you have your in-laws visiting, etc.

Does that now make you a volcel pilled volcelmaxxer and your wife is the incel? haha everyone takes turns being an incel. incel on tuesday, volcel on wednesday, sex on thursday, back to being an incel over the weekend.

>>33339846
>bad bets
No such thing as a bad bet.

>I need something bad to happen 99 percent of the time for it to be a problem
Imagine applying this to food or crimes like getting shot while going for a walk. Actual fucking brainlet.

>>33339857
Other people getting divorces is literally not my problem.

Idiots getting married straight out of high school, 80 year olds marrying 19 year olds, arranged marriages, "trad" coomers who marry only so they finally have sex for the first time ever, etc.

You're too autistic to see beyond the numbers and consider the humans behind those marriages.

>>33339849
>If you've had sex more than 0 times, you're no longer an incel
First of all I was talking about celibacy, there's no specific number, and married people can be celibate or abstain sex. Incel or involuntary celibacy is going without sex against your choice. Having sex once ever means you're not a virgin not that you've never been denied sex when you wanted it.
>>33339855
There is such a thing when divorce and breakups usually involve assets being taken, years being wasted and emotional baggage or lasting depression being left.

>>33339872
>what if you're the one who doesn't want to have sex?
answer the question please

>Incel or involuntary celibacy is going without sex against your choice
It also means being unmarried, and single.

>>33339872
>There is such a thing when divorce and breakups usually involve assets being taken, years being wasted and emotional baggage or lasting depression being left.
Yeah sometimes people are sad when they break up? What's the problem here.

>>33339864
>Other people getting divorces is literally not my problem
But it will be your problem when it happens as it usually does. You're so fucking retarded you think all these experiences are just numbers or they were too stupid while you're the special smarter snowflake who will beat the odds because it's just about what you want. The only kind of special you are is retarded.

>>33339882
>>what if you're the one who doesn't want to have sex?
Then your wife who depends on you for sex is worse for however long you don't want sex. This was already answered retard
>It also means being unmarried, and single
It also means offending women. You're arguing the equivalent of someone saying ass doesn't mean a butt because it also means donkey. There's not just one definition, and you keep refusing to show the time needed for celibacy to count in the definition, so shut the fuck up already

>>33339885
>Yeah sometimes people are sad when they break up
People are often depressed for years after breaking up and put expectations on the new people based on what happened with the exes. Fucking idiot

>>33339896
>Then your wife who depends on you for sex is worse off* for however long you don't want sex

>>33339896
>Then your wife who depends on you for sex is worse for however long you don't want sex. This was already answered retard

Yeah but then she becomes the incel? And you're the volcel?

>There's not just one definition,
There is.

May I ask why you're obsessed with plastering incel/volcel/celcel etc all over people's business whoa re objectively NOT celibate by any means?

Married people don't call themselves incels, or volcels. People in relationships don't call themselves incels, or volcels.

It really sounds like you're just trying to get other people to join your little internet anti-sex cult so you don't feel as lonely - even if other people actively reject and refuse your terminology.

>show the time needed for celibacy to count
what time? I already said having sex more than 0 times means you're not celibate.

You can be single, out of a relationship for some time and haven't had sex in a while either - that doesn't automatically make you an incel.

Incel is a label that people adopt for themselves - or at worst get hurled at them as an insult.

>>33339914
>Yeah but then she becomes the incel? And you're the volcel?
By definition yes
>There is
How fucking dumb are you that you didn't already know words have multiple meanings? Genuinely?
>what time? I already said having sex more than 0 times means you're not celibate.
Ok then give proof for that being the only definition. Because the last time one of you faggots did this these are the definitions we got >>33337088
>>33337111
>>33337119
What you described is virginity not celibacy or abstinence from sex. Try again. Or don't and fuck off

>>33339927
Although this >>33337119 isn't all celibacy is either even they don't consider it impossible for someone who had sex, and a lot of it, to be celibate. It can be and is just abstaining from sex, and abstaining is just choosing not to do something you enjoy without a specific time given. And the ones people consider actual incels acknowledge different degrees of sexlessness and get mad when their label is questioned because they technically could just see a prostitute. Basically even the ugliest can technically get some sex or a relationship with someone who's uglier or uses them for money but they want more. And it makes sense to want more the label they chose is talking about sex, sex is usually what they focus on and they exaggerate or lie about their situations. This is why they have terms like truecel, fakecel or ethic-cel.

>>33339927
>Ok then give proof for that being the only definition.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/celibate
>a person who abstains from sexual relations.
>a person who remains unmarried, especially for religious reasons.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/celibate
>not engaging in or characterized by sexual intercourse
>abstaining from marriage and sex especially because of a religious vow


You can also ask chat gpt, grok, microsoft bing copilot, askjeeves, etc.

n o w h e r e is celibacy defined as
>someone who has sex most of the time, especially inside of marriage

which is what you're talking about, my learning-disabled friend.

>>33339963
>>a person who abstains from sexual relations
Where the fuck does it say you couldn't have sex prior to abstaining from sex or choosing not to enjoy sex? You motherfuckers are illiterate.

>>33334344 (OP)
Inceldom is pure cope, nothing else.
Any man can get a GF and for 90% of men it isn't hard at all.

>>33335337
If you were coping any harder you'd pull a muscle

>>33339963
>n o w h e r e is celibacy defined as someone who has sex most of the time, especially inside of marriage
Nowhere does celibacy or abstaining say you couldn't have sex prior to choosing not to enjoy it. There's also again no specific amount of time described as being needed before it counts as celibacy or abstaining.

>>33339979
>Where the fuck does it say you couldn't have sex prior to abstaining from sex or choosing not to enjoy sex?
Well the problem is that you're arguing over a made-up internet meme, which isn't a real word.

If you're INcel, you coludn't have enjoyed sex at any time - because sex is out of your control. Therefore the "involuntary" part of it, yes?

This is what happens when zoomers and zlinellials try to create new words without even understanding the basis of the real words they're trying to build from.

>>33339979
>Posts an image that proves married men can't be celibate by definition
>thought he was being smart

>>33339997
You're arguing about the definition of incel, not celibacy.

You're arguing that someone is an icel when they're married and have sex.

>>33339995
The only ones coping are marriage shills counting divorced men as single, waiting six months to a year to officially count a bedroom as dead, and leaving out the fact older people divorcing has doubled over time. You're selling a fantasy by leaving out important information. That's much closer to coping frog faggot.

I can't get married because sometimes people get a divorce :(

I'm a statscel

>>33339896
Wait.
So your only reason to never marry is sometimes your wife might not want sex at the same time you do?
That's it?

>>33340006
Anon is a literal retard.
He has been trying for two days to claim everyone in the world is an incel.

>>33340014
Facts
>the majority of marriages last
The vast majority or marriages have no cheating
Do you never, ever drive on the highway because there are traffic accidents, you little chickenshit?
Or is the myth of 50% divorce your security blanket that lets you tell yourself your alone because of something other than your personal failings?

>>33339999
All words are made up at some point and obtain multiple meanings you stupid pretentious bitch. Involuntary celibate or sexless without choice is the meaning of incel, and celibacy by itself doesn't have a specific time attached to it or require someone never had sex. You faggots can't even understand what celibacy means.
>>33340003
Being married is only one of the definitions and it's not even the first one listed there. What a useless stupid bitch
>>33340006
I was arguing about celibacy and involuntary celibacy, if this >>33339963 wasn't you that was arguing about the meaning of celibacy then mind your neck retard

>>33340036
>sexless
As in "no sex"

"none"

not "sex most of the time" which is what roughly 250 of these posts of yours are trying to claim

and double the special olympics points for including sex inside of marriage, so it negates the definition of celibacy on two levels.

>>33340022
It's clearly not just sometimes she wouldn't have sex if they're waiting 6 months to a year before it's considered a dead bedroom. And if you payed attention I listed other reasons for not marrying besides this.
>>33340035
>Facts, the majority of marriages last
Depening on the time period, age of the past and whether you're only including first marriages then no not really. You don't know if most marriages involve cheating or not because you rely mostly on the cheaters being constantly monitored and caught or admitting it themselves, but I did list it because it does official happen to many people in marriage.

>>33340054
what does your girlfriend think of all this?

>>33340036
>Correct, the word "celibate" can never be applied to a married person
FTFY

>>33340046
Sexless doesn't mean you never had sex prior it means you're at the time lacking sexual desire, interest, activity, or attractiveness. In this case it's actual sex or activity.

>>33340064
Celibate can be applied in a marriage because people can choose to abstain or not enjoy sex in marriage. In the dictionary you posted the first definition was abstaining from sex. Sorry your mom dropped you as a baby

>>33340054
>Depening on the time period, age of the past and whether you're only including first marriages then no not really.
Total fucking lie.
All time divorce rate for all marriages (including multiple marriages) for lifetime NEVER, EVER reached 50%, even in the divorce explosion of the 1970's.
In first marriages among non-Boomers the LIFETIME divorce rate for Whites is about 20% and has been dropping for over 50 years.
You're a fucking liar.,

>>33340071
Liar telling lies.
the definitons YOU posted say 'celibate' means 'unmarried' you 30 IQ fuckwit
>only one person is proving you wrong
You wish, incel

>>33340073
No second marriages have much higher divorce rates and divorce rates of older people have more than doubled so this does matter. Marriage rates have fallen and the zoomers and millennials you were trying to talk about are only just getting married at 28-30 on average. Oh yeah and not everyone is actually white. Your dumb ass is the one who's lying or leaving out information.

>>33340080
Unmarried was only one of the definitions you posted in that link here >>33339963
>>33339979 and it was the second definition listed lol. Cry moar

>>33340066
>Sexless doesn't mean you never had sex prior
I didn't say that, disability-chan.

It means you don't have sex. Not that it's Tuesday morning almost noon-ish like 10:30 AM and you only get to have sex on Tuesday night around 8 or 9. You're not an epic sexless celibate incel for all of 10 hours because you and your wife have jobs and have to go buy groceries and pick the kids up from school etc.

You're saying that married people who have sex, are celibate.

>>33340101
>It means you don't have sex
Which can happen for any amount of time because there's no specific amount of time attached to the definition. Better luck next time

>>33334344 (OP)
>"is getting a gf easy in reality?"
Well imo it depends on your standards and your looks. If you're good looking and lower your standards to any woman with a pulse who wants to date you then it won't be too hard for you to get a gf. However, the problem is if you're average or slightly above average and don't want to settle for a gf you aren't attracted to at all then you might spend a loooooooong time single, possibly forever.

Also, I have a theory that if you haven't had a gf by the time you are 21 then you'll probably either never have a gf, have 1 chance at a gf or you'll end up lowering your standards and just dating whoever will take you.

Personally, I'm about to turn 27 now and I've never had a full on gf and desu it brings me down. I've had sex now with a few different women and been in the dating stage possibly leading to a relationship with 3 women too but 2 of them ended it with me and I ended it with one of them. The thing that makes it even worse for me is all 3 of these women who I had failed starts to relationships with were all so mid and the one I ended it with had a very asymmetrical face. The first one ended it with me because I was too shy to see her friends thinking what if her friends hate me and convince her to stop seeing me. Then I dumped the 2nd one for a mix of being too clingy and demanding. The 3rd was actually a fwb so I guess it doesn't really count but she stopped seeing me because I wasn't getting hard for her (I mean she didn't say that but it's obviously the biggest issue).

Personally, I find dating so hard that I'm sort of giving up on it and "going my own way" and buying a house in the middle of nowhere, where I imagine dating will be impossible. Like I'm only getting older now and not getting any better looking so I doubt I'll ever have a gf desu. Even if I lower my standards the girl will be able to tell I'm not that attracted to her and the relationship won't work.

I'd love to see bro go post on any incel forum or even just r9k and be all like

>Greetings my fellow incels
>As a married man who has sex with his wife

bro would get cyberbullied out of existence

>>33340109
No one but you has this insane idea that someone can be an incel while in the middle of a relationship, and having sex.

Actual incels will doxx you for being such a poser.

>>33340109
"Hello I am a vegan, I had oatmeal and black coffee for breakfast. Nevermind that I'm having a hamburger for lunch"

this is how retarded you sound, desperately trying to claim every man on earth as part of your internet sex cult.

>>33334597
I was about to respond to a different one of your comments about this lol. I think you and presumably a lot of normies have a really different way of thinking about relationships than incels or guys that struggle to get a gf. Like I'd rather be single than just date any woman that likes me... I want a gf I'm attracted to who I think is cool and that's why I (and probably a most guys) am single

>>33340160
Someone can be involuntarily celibate or go without sex despite wanting sex for a short time or extended periods in a relationship because people don't always want sex at the same time. "Actual incels" like on the website or YouTube community already admitted there's different degrees of sexlessness which is why they call each other truecels, fakecels or ethnic-cels. They also refuse to get prostitutes despite that technically being an option because they specifically want consistent sex with someone who actually wants and loves them. I never argued everyone had it just as bad, I argued what the words actually mean. You're saying they'll dox me purely because you're asshurt not because what I said was wrong. Loser.
>>33340180
Address what I said and show where the definition of celibate gives a specific time or demands you couldn't have any sex prior? Oh yeah you can't

>>33340156
99 percent of the ones on incel forums and /r9k/ especially could technically have sex one way or another, it probably just wouldn't be very good legal or enjoyable sex which is why they don't. The ones you're talking about aren't even just complaining about not having rare miserable sex like a typical husband will with the wife over time. Mentioning modern /r9k/ is especially dumb since it's just filled with actual openly gay men and trolls pretending to be women

>>33335326
The guys women marry, they usually marry them for their careers rather than their looks. So the guy can let himself go knowing she won't leave because she's a gold digger

>>33335729
Correlation doesn't equal causation

>>33340027
That anon is a good example of what I mean when I call incels "failed sluts".
This dude literally thinks that if a guy is not having sex on tap, literally round the clock with his first choice of partner and as wild and dirty as he wants, that he's then an incel and furthermore that a great injustice has been done to him.

>>33340216
>Address what I said and show where the definition of celibate gives a specific time
It doesn't because the real word "celibate" and its definition means someone who abstains from sex, and marriage.

>in a relationship
no.
>they call each other truecels, fakecels or ethnic-cels.
and you think it's a good idea to further muddy the waters with more made-up nonsense
> I argued what the words actually mean.
which is completely meaningless because you're saying that someone who goes 15 minutes without sex is an incel same as someone who will never have sex ever.

You keep asking me for a timeframe, but you're the one who keeps making claims that being an incel is dependent on a timeframe (e.g. the guy who only has sex 9/10 times a week is an incel), rather than based on the possibility/reality of there being sex at all.

If you're in a relationship, and if you're married, you're 100% not an incel.

Being an incel is the complete inability to connect with human beings at large, specifically women, and in all probability the only woman who will ever hug you would be your own mother some other family member in a platonic way.

>>33340654
>This dude literally thinks that if a guy is not having sex on tap, literally round the clock with his first choice of partner and as wild and dirty as he wants, that he's then an incel and furthermore that a great injustice has been done to him
If you go without sex when you want it you've been involuntarily celibate or sexless without choice because that's what that means. I said multiple times it's not the same amount of sexlessness for everybody and there are good excuses for not having sex, but the excuses you retards mention like diarrhea or flu for months are rare or don't happen. The group you consider real incels can mostly technically have bad rare sex. I also clarified that if you're in a marriage specifically and get denied sex for petty reasons that it is wrong or an injustice because sex is usually part of the vows or what's expected in the relationship, they're not allowed to get sex any other way while married and there are measurable negative effects to health if you don't have sex regularly as intended. I never mentioned the specific type of sex needed.

Why do you useless creatures even bother posting about shit you can't pay attention to? You retards didn't even know what the words celibate or abstaining meant by themselves. You just keep ignoring the actual point and lying to pretend you have anything of value to say.
>Like DUDE isn't so heckin crazy he's saying [STRAWMAN]

>>33340897
kinda silly that this one buzzword can mean 10 different things - from having 0 sex your entire life to only having sex once a day. You can be single your entire life and have never even been on a single date, or be married.

>>33340897
>involuntarily celibate
the term incel itself is inherently meaningless since being celibate is a choice of abstaining.

you're just an autistic who doesn't understand social skills or body language and can't get girls. That's what being an "incel" is.

>>33340863
Celibate can and does mean abstaining from sex because only one of its definitions says avoiding marriage or relationships. Abstaining from sex just means choosing not to have sex which can happen in relationships or out of them.
>you're the one who keeps making claims that being an incel is dependent on a timeframe (e.g. the guy who only has sex 9/10 times a week is an incel),
You can't quote anywhere I said incel is based on a time frame because I didn't say it. You made up or brought up scenarios of guys having sex 99 percent of the time and you can't believe it would count as being sexless without choice if they were denied sex 1 percent of the time, but that's what involuntary means. You can't understand what celibate means and you're getting frustrated over a made up scenario.

>>33340904
Many words that aren't buzzwords mean multiple things. What you're bitching about is like saying "wow brah it's crazy being hungry can mean going without food for an evening or a month"
>>33340911
>word meaningless because other word by itself mean different thing
Peak retard who's stuck making shit up again because they have nothing

>that word that was described a thousand times ITT is meaningless mkay
>but I'm going to make up my own new meaning for it based on my malding and wishes
kek

>>33340918
>Celibate can and does mean abstaining from sex because only one of its definitions says avoiding marriage or relationships. Abstaining from sex just means choosing not to have sex which can happen in relationships or out of them.
Yes? We don't seem to be disagreeing from that. Celibacy means not having sex as a choice. It can also mean choosing to get married or be in relationships.

You're the one saying that guys who have sex in marriage are incels.

>You can't quote anywhere I said incel is based on a time frame because I didn't say it. You made up or brought up scenarios of guys having sex 99 percent of the time and you can't believe it would count as being sexless without choice if they were denied sex 1 percent of the time, but that's what involuntary means. You can't understand what celibate means and you're getting frustrated over a made up scenario.

these follwing posts aren't you?
>>33339814
>And there's no specific amount of time in the definition needed for it to be considered celibate. If you went without sex against your own wishes that's the definition of involuntary celibate or incel.

You have so many posts in this thread claiming "most men, if not all men are incels, especially married men" that I can't quote all of them without 4chan preventing me from posting since multi-quoting is seen as spam

>>33340965
cotnitued

>>33337062
>If they're choosing not to have sex in a marriage they're still considered celibate because being in a relationship is only part of the definition, if it's forced on them by the other partner or other conditions it's involuntarily going without sex. You have no point.

>>33337041
>nowhere has anyone given a specific time needed before celibacy is considered celibacy, no one countered the fact that married people can be celibate

>>33336022
>By the definition almost every guy is involuntary going without sex, which is what incel actually means.

>>33340969
continued, again

>>33335970
>Married men with kids are called incel anyway.
>>33335883
>Incels or guys who are denied sex are among normal men. What normal average men are getting sex from women whenever they actually want? Seriously.
these posts aren't you?

You haven't been spending the last couple of days insisting that married men who have sex are incels?

>>33340965
>>33340969
>>33340975
What there says incel is based on a timeframe? If you go without sex when you don't want to it's involuntary or not based on your choice. Going without sex in relationships or marriage is extremely common and again they wait as long as 6 months to a year before they consider it dead bedroom. What's the issue with what I said?

>>33340999
>What's the issue with what I said?
claiming that almost every guy is an incel

claiming that married people, who have sex, are incels

You're the one who kept questioning us for a timeframe, implying that it is based on a timeframe

>nowhere has anyone given a specific time needed before celibacy is considered celibacy

celibacy is not based on a specific time, it's a choice to abstain from sex.

To "abstain" doesn't mean that you're not in the mood that one time, it means it's a long-term active decision to refrain from something.

If someone smoked weed 4 times a week, no one would consider them to be drug-free or straight edge because of the times they didn't get high.

Someone who get drunk "only" 6 days a week wouldn't be considered straight edge or a teetotaler because they didn't drink on that one day of the week.

But in your mind if sex is not achieved 100% of the desired time, that's an incel. 99% is the same as 0% in your special mind.

>>33341020
Based on the definition being going sexless without or against your choice yes that's a very common thing in or out of relationships. I only asked for a timeframe in the definition but you people kept pretending celibacy or choosing not to have sex can't be done for shorter periods of time. You people keep bringing up the imaginary man who has sex like they want 99 percent of the time because you couldn't believe that they could be involuntarily sexless within that 1 percent. Based on the definition whenever you don't have sex when you want you're involuntarily celibate or sexless. I'm not asking what you or other people consider abstaining I'm asking you to show where a specific time is needed before abstaining counts as abstaining or sexlessness counts as sexlessness in their definitions.

>>33341020
>>33341044
>99% is the same as 0% in your special mind
Only the same as in they go without it. I already addressed incels on their forums admitting there's different degrees of sexless. Just a few posts up >>33340936
here I pointed out that people can be hungry missing food once in an evening or for 1 entire month but you conveniently ignore it. The intensity is obviously different but only a retard would argue hunger only counts as hunger after a month.

>>33341044
>Based on the definition being going sexless without or against your choice
what definition? You just made that up.

>going sexless

going without sex one day out of the week or one day out of the month when you're otherwise getting sex on the regular doesn't make you an incel.

The possibility of ever getting sex being completely off the table is what makes someone an incel. As shitty as a marriage might be, there's always a chance of sex happening.

>Based on the definition whenever you don't have sex when you want you're involuntarily celibate or sexless.
Based on the definition you made up that everyone agrees is wrong. You're the only one in this thread, possibly the entire internet, trying to claim that people who have sex regularly are incels because they missed out on sex that one time whenever.

Even if someone hasn't had sex in YEARS in a sexless marriage - they're not incels. They're married. A sexless marriage is a sexless marriage, it has nothing to do with incels.

Incels are single, do you not understand that?

Is English your 3rd language?

>>33341063
>Only the same as in they go without it
Is someone who smokes weed 6 days a week drug-free?

Is someone who eats lamb and veal 6 nights a week a vegetarian?

No.

>>33341066
>what definition? You just made that up
No incel is involuntarily celibate. Involuntary is against your will or choice and celibacy is obviously referencing sex not just based on the word itself but how the self identified incels on their forums have talked about it for years. Sorry you're too stupid to understand.

>>33341075
It depends what you mean by drug free. Regardless being celibate/sexless/abstaining have no time frame required for them to count. What you're failing to do right now is why I asked you creatures for a time in the definitions. You're refusing to show it because it doesn't exist, but you keep arguing as if it does.

>>33341083
>No incel is involuntarily celibate.
>incel
>involuntarily celibate
>in.... cel
>incel

so incels aren't incels.

what fuckin planet do you live on my guy

>celibacy is obviously referencing sex
and relationships

>>33341094
Incels are incels because they can't get sex when they want or they're sexless based on things beyond their individual choices or wills.
>and relationships
That's only one of the definitions. We already went over this and you're arguing for nothing

>>33341092
>drug free.
free of drugs

and sexless means without sex.

Not "I did drugs and had sex this morning, and I'm gonna do drugs and have sex later tonight, but this afternoon I am sexless and drug-free"

> I asked you creatures for a time
It's not based on time. That's you presumption.

If you have the >0% possibility of having sex with someone YOU'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH, you're not an incel by any which way you want to twist that definition around.

>>33341098
>sexless
Sexless doesn't mean "currently between two periods of time where sex has happened, and sex will happen later on"

It means no sex on the horizon.

>>33341099
Sexless is just lacking in sex or other things, there's no specific time or number attached. Drugs can stay in the body for a while though which is why your comparison is stupid.
>It's not based on time. That's you presumption
If it's not stop bitching about the 1 percent out of 99 in your made up scenario not counting
>If you have the >0% possibility of having sex with someone YOU'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH, you're not an incel
Don't even know what you're talking about here. Your brain must have broke

Schooler is kill
Howie is rangebanned
"People who have sex are incels" poster is the new meme anon

>>33341101
Sexless just means lacking sexual activity among other things. No specific time or amount needed or mentioned in the definition before it counts. If it's not like that post the screenshot showing otherwise like the last guy tried with celibacy

>>33341108
>"People who have sex are incels"
>People who ate yesterday can't be hungry
Smartest redditor

>>33341107
>Sexless is just lacking in sex
It's not LACKING sex, it is THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF sex.

Again, you're not sexless because you only get to fuck 99% of the time you get a hard-on.

>Drugs can stay in the body for a while though which is why your comparison is stupid.
And the so-called vegetarian who eats meat 6 days a week?

>If it's not stop bitching about the 1 percent out of 99 in your made up scenario not counting

That's all you chief, you're the one claiming that if someone misses out on ONE occasion of potentially having sex, then they're incels.

>Don't even know what you're talking about here. Your brain must have broke

An incel is someone who will receive 0 sex from anyone because he's not in a relationship. It's a 0% chance.

If you're in a relationship, the chance of sex of happening is never 0%. Even in a sexless marriage the chance is never truly 0%.

And of course, being in a relationship/marriage also means you're not an incel, as the bigger part of being an incel is being single.

There are incels that are spending money hand over fist, buying sex from hookers - and are unable to form relationships with women because of crippling autism.

>>33341115
you're hungry, not starving.

you could probably stand to go on a fast anyways

>>33341125
And there can be a complete absence of sex in a shorter period of time so again what are you bitching about? In that percent of your made up scenario there would be a complete absence of sex. Amazing.

>>33341112
>Sexless just means lacking
nope
It's not LACKING sex, it is THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF sex.

>>33341129
Apparently it doesn't even count as hunger if you retards feel like it for your internet argument. You become so retarded you don't understand hot weather counts as hot before 100 degrees.

>>33341133
Lacking and devoid are synonyms, both are mentioned in the definitions of sexless and both describe something not being available. Again in the 1 percent scenario you're bitching about there is literally no sex there so it counts. There's no specific amount of time mentioned, you just tried adding it. Try again or fuck off already

>>33341132
>>33341157
>here is literally no sex there so it counts. There's no specific amount of time mentioned, you just tried adding it.
>And there can be a complete absence of sex in a shorter period of time
It's not a complete absence when you're eventually getting sex.

Again, same as the guy who gets drunk or gets high 6 days a week - he's not drug-free or alcohol-free.

Someone who has sex is not free of sex.

Someone who is in a relationship is not an incel.

You're the one who's been trying to formulate crazy rules and exception to the rules where you become an incel if you don't get to fuck your girlfriend or wife every single time you get a boner.

Women are people too, you know. They're not sex dolls.

>>33341215
If it's not completely absent why aren't you having any at all in that period? There's zero sex available at that time otherwise you would be having it. That's how it works.

>>33341215
>you become an incel if you don't get to fuck your girlfriend or wife every single time you get a boner
Nowhere did I say that. Guys get boners all the time but don't necessarily want to have sex. More lies to end the thread

>>33341220
>If it's not completely absent why aren't you having any at all in that period?
>There's zero sex available at that time
You're the one bringing up time periods again. Not me.

Being an incel means you're single - first of all.

Second in regard to sex, prostitutes asides, it means that there's no sex visible in the future.

You have some sort of brain damage where you're unable to measure time.
You think that skipping a meal is the same as never eating again.
You think that eating cereal for breakfast makes you a vegetarian even though you'll be eating burgers for lunch.
You think that you're alcohol-free and that you "don't drink" even though you'll be getting drunk later in the day or later in the week.

>>33341215
>>33341226
>Women are people too, you know. They're not sex dolls
Kek not only did I not say this anywhere either but I said a woman would be in the same spot of sexlessness if their husbands denied them sex. Why didn't little buddy mention men not being sex dolls here? Another virtue signaling fail from the retard redditor

>>33341226
okay so you claim that anyone who doesn't satisfy 100% of their sexual urges when they feel a sexual urge, even in a relationship, is an incel, correct?

What part of being in a relationship makes them an incel

>>33341235
>You're the one bringing up time periods again
You already mentioned it again here >>33341215
>Again, same as the guy who gets drunk or gets high 6 days a week - he's not drug-free or alcohol-free
Because you don't think it counts if it's a shorter period of time. You're a real stupid little bitch do you know that?

>>33341241
>I said a woman would be in the same spot of sexlessness if their husbands denied them sex
Skipping out on sex one time is not sexlessness.

and it certainly doesn't make them incels.

>>33335337
>>33335361
>>33335379
>>33335723
>>33335732
>>33335763
>>33335778
>>33335779
>>33336159
>>33336294
and the list goes on and on and on and on
its crabs in a fucking bucket,
all of you.
you get people telling you that you can fix the problem easily and then a bunch of retards flock to the thread like flies on shit to tell you why even trying to fix it is pointless because of arbitrary self imposed bullshit reasons.
you are the wardens of your own prisons you fucking imbeciles.
>hurr the data says
the data doesn't fucking matter, lived experience fucking matters, knowing how to choose who you decide to actually continue in a relationship with matters, and getting the option to choose between more than one person is only possible if you get off your ass, stop throwing a tantrum like a child, stop sulking and fucking try.
you have a problem, and you have EVERY SINGLE FUCKING METHOD AND MEANS TO FIX IT and still you decide not to fix it because you keep telling yourselves its not worth doing it even though in your mind the problem is one of the biggest problems in your minds, you think having sex is the most important thing in the world, while at the same time thinking that trying in order to have sex is bad, why? because your shitty ass internet echo chamber said so, because muh data, because your ass is too fucking lazy to change.
crabs in a fucking bucket, just as soon as one of you starts snapping out of the bullshit 20 more show up to drag him back down.
you are all a bunch of good for nothing bitch ass niggas.

>>33341246
Anyone who doesn't get to have sex when they actually want to have sex is involuntarily celibate or sexless without choice for however long that lasts yes. Not complicated. If you weren't so retarded you would have already gotten this a few hundred posts ago

>>33341247
>Because you don't think it counts if it's a shorter period of time.
It's not about the period of time, friend. it's the fact that he will be getting high/drunk/having sex eventually.

You're not alcohol-free when you're technically just between two beers. You're not sexless when you're technically between two orgasms.

>>33341255
>Anyone who doesn't get to have sex when they actually want to have sex is involuntarily celibate
Not when they're in a relationship.

What makes you think that being an incel isn't first and foremost being single?

>>33341253
Your empty nice words and then malding over basic reality being pointed out isn't giving anyone a nice gf/wife who decides to stay faithful or offer sex regularly. You're not entitled to this for working hard towards it either. The data you're dismissing is talking about lived experiences but you're insisting nothing counts unless it's positive. You're full of shit

>>33341255
"not currently having sex" is not sexless

>>33341257
He's not having any sex at the 1 percent or 1 out of 7 period you mentioned though. If the sex wasn't absent at that point they would have it
>>33341261
Because even the one's you consider official incels still prioritize sex even if it's not all they want. They wouldn't want a relationship where the women constantly turn them down for petty reasons as is normal, if they would accept any reasons. And besides this celibacy is mostly talking about sex, because even the definition mentioning marriage doesn't say asexual marriage.

>>33341266
Based on the definition it can be because there's no time mentioned. If there's zero sex happening at the time that means that time is devoid of sex.

>>33341253
oh yeah and i would like to say one other thing:
every fucking incel in this thread deserves to be an incel, except the ones who are actually fucking willing to change (you are cool if so, just take the first, and second and Nth step, one at a time, choose to get better and to be better)
for the ones who are acting like crabs in a bucket: i fucking hope you die alone, every single one of you is an insufferable piece of shit and no other human being deserves the punishment that is being your partner, sexual or romantic, go be an incel for the rest of your lives, die alone while seething, coping amd sneeding.
there is not a pit in hell deep enough for you, be better or suffer.

>>33341296
People have tried changing but changing and working hard by yourself or on yourself doesn't make you entitled to sex or love, especially now, so people usually go without it anyway. Cry all you want but you were never going to make women treat men as they want or need. You're just going to act like you're more important than you are. You're resorting to wishing death and hell on people instead of actually honestly addressing their problems or helping them deal with life because that's the creature you really are under all that fake positivity and care.

>>33341264
you want basic reality and basic facts? fine i will give them to you, there are statistically women that fit the exact characteristics that you want out there, but guess what, your insufferable ass does not deserve to be anywhere near them, nothing in life is free or fair, you can either fight for the things you want and better yourselves until you actually deserve those things or your can seethe cope and mald until you kill yourselves in shame.
wake the fuck up snowflake, either you try or you fail, and if you try and fail then you try again.
the world does not owe you shit, you earn it for yourself you fucking loser

>>33341285
>>33341292
my friend
my guy
my brother in christ
my buddy old pal

being an incel is first and foremost being single

a sexless marriage is a sexless marriage, it has nothing to do with incels.

If you get a gf, your incel card is no longer valid.

>>33341327
>but guess what, your insufferable ass does not deserve to be anywhere near them
Women you described and better exist but spread cheeks for men that would make you their bitch in bed and kill your little puppy for no reason. Because you don't distribute pussy or tell them where to throw it, you just pretend to on this dumbass website. And even if you do get the girl you want everyone and everything changes so you're not even likely to keep them. The only snowflake here is you pretending your own work or mindset will get you what you actually want. If it was that simple you wouldn't even be here failing like you are. You would have your own bitch who's great or otherwise have better things to do than get mad over the truth and nothing.

>>33341311
don't fucking shift the goalposts you moronic manchild, you are crabs in a bucket, you make your own hell and your cognitive dissonance makes you too much of a fucking retard to see it.
wake the fuck up or die alone, i didn't wish death upon you, i gave you a choice, and that choice is get off your ass and try anyways until you succeed or shut the fuck up, stop complaining like a little bitch and go die alone like the sore loser you are.
stop dragging others down with you or go kill yourself in shame.
you have an indomitable human spirit, it came free with your fucking existence.

>>33341347
everything you say just shows how much you deserve to stay an incel.
you sound like a toddler having a tantrum, has mommy never told you the word "no" before?

>>33341341
If you're in a marriage or relationship where you're not having sex, which is extremely normal or comments, you might as well be incel and single. Read here >>33337088 and explain why celibate involves avoiding marriage for religious reasons? Why else besides sex would this be done? In the past it was just known you would have sex in these relationships and sex is what made them different from friends or family. So since celibacy is mostly about sex, and being denied sex against your own wishes is normal in relationships, there's no reasoning to argue you can't be involuntarily celibate in or out of relationships.

>>33341363
>You offend me so you deserve x
>Basic logic is a tantrum
Wade wilson killed two women and after being in the news for it got hundreds of women throwing themselves at him. Why did you let that happen if you control every woman's vagina and decide who's deserving of sex? Oh wait you're just some pretentious faggot nobody has any reason to obey. But keep telling me how much I deserve x or y

>>33341371
>If you're in a marriage or relationship where you're not having sex, which is extremely normal or comments, you might as well be incel and single.
Except you're not.
There's more to marriage than just sex sex sex you epic incel. Even in a sexless marriage you can still sleep in the same bed, hold each other, kiss each other "good day" before going to work, listen to each other talk.

Incels have nothing, with no one. That's what incels are.

>explain why celibate involves avoiding marriage for religious reasons?
because nuns and monks are expected to devote their entire lives to worshipping their god(s) and not do it half-assed part time because they're too busy with their wife/husband.

>there's no reasoning to argue you can't be involuntarily celibate in or out of relationships.
except that being in a relationship means you're not celibate.

Glad I could clear that up.

>>33341392
>There's more to marriage than just sex
That's like saying there's more to health than water. No shit but that doesn't change it's importance as a creature made through sex and to want sex. All those other things you listed doing besides sex have sexual implications and couldn't easily be done with a friend or family member. Who you're calling incels usually do have family or friends and can technically have sex or relationships, just not very good ones. Incel is involuntary celibacy with a focus on sex. Neither regular people or what you consider actual incels are perfectly fine going without sex when they want to have it. Most marriages involved sex so besides the time spent on spouses that was part of the religous reason for avoiding it.
>except that being in a relationship means you're not celibate.
No being celibate also means abstaining from sex or choosing not to have sex for any period of time besides relationships. See >>33337088 the second definition is just about abstaining from sex. Sorry you're so illiterate

>>33341382
i have compassion for my fellow human and no one deserves the torture of having a romantic or sexual partner as insufferable as you, what i am saying is harsh but it is also compassion, i am giving you this chance, it may be the only one you get, i may be the only one that actually reaches out to try to piss you off enough to make you want to change out of spite.
i will reiterate, either keep being a failure and die alone or go and try and if you fail try again until you succeed.
if you want to prove me wrong then go and fucking try, try and fail until you succeed or don't, only then you get even the minimum right to even try to refute any part of my statement, if you don't you are just a little brat, a sore loser who deserves to stay alone.
lazy fucktards like you get culled out of the gene pool, a failed male who gives up before trying deserves to die alone and never pass on his failure genes
I've seen trannies that are less of a failed male than you.

>>33341432
>i have compassion for my fellow human
But you couldn't stop hordes of women from lusting after and rewarding men who kill people for no reason. So why pretend you decide who deserves anything? No one has any reason to take your advice, now that's a fail.

>>33341429
>Who you're calling incels usually do have family or friends and can technically have sex or relationships, just not very good ones.

They "can technically" - but they don't. That's what makes them incels.

Being married or in a relationship and denied sex one time doesn't make them incels.

>involuntary celibacy
which itself is a meaningless term since celibacy is inherently a choice.

Incels are just guys who can't get girlfriends and blame everyone but themselves.

>No being celibate also means abstaining from sex or choosing not to have sex
yeah "also means"

no one is an incel when they're in a relationship. The entire basis of being an incel is being single "against your will" and not being able to get a gf.

I don't know why you keep insisting that being an incel actually means being married and being denied sex one time.

>>33341459
>They "can technically" - but they don't. That's what makes them incels.
It's the lack of sex they actually want that makes them incels. It's in the in part which is involuntarily or against what you want. Not having sex when you want to in a relationship to varying degrees is not having sex involuntarily or without your choice. Actually you could argue married men have it harder there because they're actually more limited in where they can go for sex when it's denied.

>>33341476
*And if they want to get out of the situation they'll likely deal with having their money and possessions taken by the women. Sexless men outside of marriage have way less responsibility and more freedom. You might not even be allowed to jerk off by your wife because they've considered that cheating or justifying divorce. Imagine a probably fat lady holding you at gun point and being sexless and single suddenly doesn't sound as bad.

>>33341476
>It's the lack of sex they actually want that makes them incels.
Most of them are repulsed by the very notion of sex, if it's not with some 10/10 based and red pilled trad virgin.

Like I said, go find some self-identifying incels and tell them your funny story about a guy who fucks his wife regularly is also an incel like them.

>>33341496
>Most of them are repulsed by the very notion of sex, if it's not with some 10/10 based and red pilled trad virgin
No that's just a strawman made to badly cope with fat painted women who fucked a dozen plus guys not being considered 10. I've talked to self identify incels and described them already ITT. You can't find any proof of them refusing to fuck actual 10s but you can find the same badly done lie you attempted here copy pasted wherever they're mentioned.

>>33341496
>>33341518
>You can't find any proof of them refusing to fuck *anything but actual 10s

>>33341518
>fat painted women who fucked a dozen plus guys
why not have sex with them? apparently they're the ones handing out free and easy sex

>>33341533
Why don't you have sex with an incel and let them stimulate your prostate? Just a dumb question. Fat is gross, this can be more easily admitted when you're talking about men. You wouldn't argue there's nothing wrong with a fat neck beard especially if he offended your specific politics so I don't know why any of you pretend fat women are just fine.

>>33341441
the men who killed had one thing you don't, and that is determination and balls.
not that your sorry loser ass would know what that even means
even so its no good to go kill a few people and then spend the rest of your life in jail where you are going to be the girlfriend of some manlier prisoner or guard.
you want to get drowned in pussy? go show determination, force of will and grow some balls.
but i know you won't, do you know how i know you won't?
because so far you have been a pussy hiding behind shitty excuses

>>33341547
>Fat is gross
Excessive fat is gross anyway. So is women who have stds, bastard kids, and attachments to exes or however many men they decided to fuck when you're trying to take them seriously in a relationship. Guys ignored these things and it hasn't been turning out so well.

>>33341547
I'm not the one who's keep talking all thread about how sex is the only thing that matters and that being denied sex once is just as bad as never having had sex to being with.

so why not go get free sex from the fat girl, it would cure your severe case of "24 hour inceldom"

>>33341557
>the men who killed had one thing you don't, and that is determination and balls
Fucking KEK the mask fully slips. A heckin real man kills and takes chances for no reason. That's a case of real nuts. Thanks for the laugh bitch

>>33341562
>I'm not the one who's keep talking all thread about how sex is the only thing that matters
>being denied sex once is just as bad as never having had sex to being with.
Wasn't said by me even once. Nice job showing how you can't read one more time though

>>33341587
>Wasn't said by me even once.
You're not the guy who's been posting in this thread all this time about how guys who are denied sex in marriage are incels?

You just decided to tag in and take his place?

>>33341606
But I never said all sexlessness was the same or sex is the only thing that matters. Why don't you quote where I said that if I did?

>>33341617
>all sexlessness was the same
You said that being denied sex once was enough to make someone an incel, more times throughout this thread than 4chan would allow me to quote in one post.

> or sex is the only thing that matters
In the post discussing sexless marriages you were unable to see a simple hug or sleeping in the same bed as anything other than sexual.


>>33341429
>All those other things you listed doing besides sex have sexual implications

>>33341629
>>33341392
>Even in a sexless marriage you can still sleep in the same bed, hold each other, kiss each other "good day" before going to work, listen to each other talk.

like you can't even fathom the concept of talking to your wife as something other than sexual

>hey hunny how was your day?
>eh, kinda shit I guess
>EEOOOUUUAAAAGH I'M COOOOOMING FROM ALL THIS SEXUAL TENSION

>>33341629
Incel is going without sex when you don't want to as I described it many times. Everyone who's gone without sex is the same like everyone whos hungry is the same. I said countless times there's varying severity but somehow you missed that.
>In the post discussing sexless marriages you were unable to see a simple hug or sleeping in the same bed as anything other than sexual
That post also involved kissing and the acts are all romantic in nature or not easy to do the same with friends and family. Again leaving out info to fail at making a point. Perfect end to thread

>>33341639
Laying in bed with and kissing your wife usually isn't the same as doing it with your friend, especially another man, or family which is why it hardly ever happens past childhood. You sure are a dumb bitch

>>33341629
>>33341639
>Even in a sexless marriage you can still sleep in the same bed, hold each other, kiss each other "good day" before going to work, listen to each other talk.
Meanwhile the post >>33341392
>Even in a sexless marriage you can still sleep in the same bed, hold each other, kiss each other "good day" before going to work, listen to each other talk
Why would someone whos right have to leave out info and lie about what I said? I thought you read everything.

>>33341644
>Incel is going without sex when you don't want to
Incel is not having a girlfriend, not being able to have one, and in all probability never getting one.

For an incel, sex is so far off into the future realm of imagination and possbilities it may as well not exist.

How the fuck is an incel going to have sex (with a willing, attractive-enough, not-prostitute, biological female) when he can't even go on a date?

>Everyone who's gone without sex is the same like everyone whos hungry is the same.

kids who literally die from starvation are nowhere near the 600 lbs landwhales who are "starving" because it's been 15 minutes since their last ubereats.

and food is an actual literal need, sex isn't. It's a want.

> romantic in nature
romance doesn't have to be sexual all the time either, asexuals don't want to fuck and they still manage to like cook a meal for their they/them partner and go out dancing to their favorite song and all that

>>33341649
>>33341664
Yes, sleeping in the same bed with someone and kissing them isn't something you would do with your bros or family member. Not past a certain age anyways.

Some acts are more intimate than others. You're still missing or ignoring the larger point that not everything in a relationship is sexual.

>>33341670
It's involuntary celibate and celibate isn't just talking about technically being in a relationship because asexuals are a tiny minority of the population. Your definition of incel is made up and not based on the word itself like I was talking about.
>kids who literally die from starvation are nowhere near the 600 lbs landwhales who are "starving" because it's been 15 minutes since their last ubereats
But even that whale can be hungry, that's the point. In the same way people can go without sex when they don't want to varying degrees. Most aren't 600 pounds or getting sex 99 percent of the time like the scenario you brought up.
>romance doesn't have to be sexual all the time either
But the fact is the vast majority aren't asexual and these things you described can't easily be done with a friend, man or family especially past childhood because of the implications.

>>33341675
I didn't say everything in a relationship is sexual just that sex is important for most people because they're not asexual or perfectly fine not having sex, especially with a partner you're specifically meant to have sex with since however many thousands of years ago. And those acts aren't just seen as platonic in general or in relationships.

>>33341677
>Your definition of incel is made up and not based on the word itself
You've never provided a definition for "incel", mostly because it's not a real world and any other sources would immediately contradict you.

>But even that whale can be hungry, that's the point.
Your point is that whales can be hungry, good. great.

>these things you described can't easily be done with a friend, man or family especially past childhood because of the implications.
yeah some of them.

But you can still do most of the things with your friends and siblings that you would with your gf/wife.

Not every act of good will or social interaction and exchange of words in a relationship is sexual. Most of the time you're just two people hanging out.

>>33341688
>I didn't say everything in a relationship is sexual
Yeah you kind of did actually.
"All those other things you listed doing besides sex have sexual implications"
things like "listen to each other talk" or "hold each other"

Like if your mom or whoever was shaking and crying you wouldn't hug her and hold her for a second? doesn't mean it's sexual. jesus.

>>33341691
>You've never provided a definition for "incel"
I did and so many times even recently. In-cel stands for involuntarily celibate. You didn't actually read the thread fully but you're arguing as if you did. Crazy. You're not easily kissing or sleeping in bed with people besides your partner who you 90+ percent chance had sex with or are wanting to have sex with. Why are you downplaying sex?

>>33341695
You didn't list everything done in a relationship and what you did list has sexual implications for people who aren't asexual. You're arguing for a tiny minority of people or situations that don't happen. You weren't just talking about hugging your mom. You bitches are so full of it

>>33341226
>More lies to end the thread
2 hours ago

>>33341644
>Perfect end to thread
20 minutes ago

my man's addicted to arguing

arguing about how incels be married and having sex

>>33341696
>In-cel stands for involuntarily celibate
yeah but beyond that, not just "what are the two real words this fake one was created with"
what defines an "incel", according to you?

You won't find "incel" in the dictionary, not a real one anyways.

You could look at urban dictionary the website but again the definitions there will not be in favor of your argument that incels are married and having sex.

>>33341702
>my man's addicted to arguing
What the fuck are you doing right now? You faggots are addicted to being stupid

>>33341700
>you did list has sexual implications for people who aren't asexual
sleeping in the bed and kissing, sure

but listening to someone talk? bruh I listen to my coworkers talk, I listen to my parents talk, I listen to my friends talk, and I listen to my gf talk. doesn't make it inherently sexual with any of them.

>You weren't just talking about hugging your mom.
hugging your sister or cousin then, anyone. I guess most guys are weird about hugging so maybe not your bros.

Hugging someone someone when they're sad, or maybe when they're happy. Doesn't have to be sexual.

>>33341715
I already explained an incel based on what actually means and how its applied in the forums or communities of people who label themselves it. I explained in detail but you either missed it or can't read.
>But I read the thread and you said all these things

>>33341720
hey man I'm having fun, your thought process of how married people who have sex are actually incels, you take it so seriously and I'm not declaring "okay thread over" every 20 minutes.

>>33341727
you wrote all those words but yet can't be like "an incel is this, this, and also sometimes that"

It would've taken you less time and effort to even just copypaste what you allegedly wrote earlier or link the specific post instead of this new material.

>>33341725
>but listening to someone talk?
What is asmr again? Man. And you didn't even just say hugging, you said holding them. Just say hugging if that's what you mean.

>>33341730
Yeah "fun" when you're bothered over me mentioning the fact guys in marriage go without sex when they want it
>>33341735
All those words you pretended to read only to fail massively. I didn't decide the definition, incel is involuntarily celibate and mainly about sex in practice because no one in the communities who use the label on themselves want a sexless relationship or one where they're denied repeatedly for petty reasons. You're reading all those words but selectively to try and fail at making a point.

>>33341736
>What is asmr again?
A lot of people who are into that say it's not sexual
but to answer your question it's something that didn't even exist until like 7, 8 years ago
and it's not what the average person is listening to in their day to day life.

If my gf was whispering away I'd be worried that there's like a ghost in the room or something or she got a bad throat infection.

>>33341753
Here I did your homework for you

I like this definition

>Abbreviated term for the compound 'Involuntary Celibate'. In Darwinian terms a person deemed 'least fit to reproduce', manifested in social terms as someone unable to copulate due to the absence of even a single willing partner. More typically male than female. Hangs around on internet forums generally blaming females for this undesirable condition. Unable to compete on the level playing field of sexual equality can be seen clamouring for a return to the middle ages where all that was needed to nab a woman was two cows and a quarter acre. Could be considered a 'Darwinian loser' whose gene pool is facing extinction unless they address negative personality traits and/or get into physical condition necessary for attraction to opposite sex.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=incel

>>33341758
Way beyond 8 years ago people had phone sex. Fuck off already pretending one or more of these things you mentioned don't have sexual implications for most people in these relationships. There's the "where's my hug at" meme more recently and years ago teens would find excuses to hug girls they liked non platonically. You really are just full of shit arguing on behalf of asexuals who barely exist much less fucking marry.

>>33341763
Even in the meme dictionary you posted they admit incels stands for involuntary celibate kek. What a dumb bitch

>381 replies
Aight what the hells goin on in this thread

>>33342651

It's just devolved into arguing. What a read.

>>33342651
A sperg with zero life spent days insisting every single man on Earth, including married men, is an incel.
Yes, really.

>>33334344 (OP)
It is. But only if you have a way to constantly meet new people. Basically just be friendly and look for women who behave friendly in response.

>>33342651
>>33342908
>A sperg with zero life
Yet it's summer and your stupid ass is still here. You spent the whole time lying to make yourself feel better, leaving out information and failing to read. I don't even know why you're still here when that's all you're doing. Here as in ITT or alive.

>>33342908
Oh btw I also left the thread for hours at a time to do other shit like I just did for about half a day. But apparently only this dumb faggot is allowed to keep replying to the thread. So they did choose lying one more time to end the thread. Oh sorry does this still not count as end of thread when it's at bump limit and page 10? Do you want to squeeze in some more lying and show how illiterate you are for a few more posts or hours? My bad for assuming (You) faggots had better things to do.