Thread 33396466

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of those even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for men trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, have given up, or insist that there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>33396466 (OP)
A girl in kne of ky social grouos seems to have taken a fancy to me. She's hot but right now I've actually taken a fancy to another girl in the same social group. What do I do about this to diffuse this situation is painlessly as possible? Or is it even a better idea to go with the girl who clearly and overtly is attracted to me, over a girl that might not be particularily attracted ti me?

>>33396532
women choose, men only accept or decline

>found a girl I used to go to elementary school with on an app
>super hot redhead, but is polygamous and other weird/kinky shit

I want to try and match with her just to fuck, but should I even bring up knowing each other if we match? Ive met people from elementary school now as adults and they have found my autisticly detailed memory of my childhood events to be weird so I almost dont want to bring it up..... in fact we never really talked so I dont think she would even remember me. Should I just play dumb?

How to cold approach w*men in a bar. The few times I've been to a bar, I've locked eyes with a few qts. Kinda feel like I should talk to them but they're usually in a group and I'm not sure if they're open or I'm deluded. I wish there was a checklist for an autist like me

Where do I find low maintenance girls? This was the second time I've been broken up with because I don't treat them as my number one priority in my every waking moment, even when I get home tired from work. This time it was because I told her I wouldn't go to a motel with her and I'd rather just bring her to my house. I'm not wasting money to fuck her unemployed ass.

I myself am a very low maintenance guy, the only thing I expect out of her is for her to not cheat on me. Don't even care if she talks to other guys as long as she doesn't send them photos of her or goes out with them.

Do women always have to make themselves out to be the victim of some great injustice during a breakup? My ex thinks that I find her insufferable when I fucking don’t for starters, and idk how she would have ever came to that conclusion. I wanted to invite her out to go fishing with me because that’s something we talked about doing when we were together but I think she’s mad at me even tho she’s the once who initiated the break up because she was being “mentally overwhelmed” by shit that didn’t have to do with me but now she’s making it seem like it had everything to do with me because she keeps fucking bad mouthing me

>>33397134
you invited her to go fishing after the breakup? don't do that bro it's done
better off never seeing each other ever again

only through very specific circumstances can you still retain a veneer of friendship after a break up

>>33397115
>women
>low maintenace
Pick one. Women aren't men. Hope you and your future husband get along, faggot.

>>33397177
>only through very specific circumstances can you still retain a veneer of friendship after a break up
Well we literally only spent time with each other if we ever left our houses and she always referred to me as her best friend. Even after the break up she said she’ll see me later lol. It was a very amicable breakup and she made it seem like it was caused by depression + a lot of external factors going on in her life rather than some kind of mismatch or wrong doing. We were together for almost 4 years. I think this is one of those situations.

>>33397134
Why the fuck are you talking to an ex? Grow up and move on, you were given the biggest fuck you middle finger ever by getting dumped and youre trying to hang out? Get some self respect and block her ass you fucking simp.

>>33397231
Because of the above >>33397227, also I still care about her and trust her that she was telling the truth and I’d like to be there to comfort her

>>33397216
What a fucking drag dude.

>>33396466 (OP)
>How to Get Women
just bee yourself

I feel like I always have been really shitty in relationships. I tend to be critical of my girlfriends passive aggressively, or the other way around. I can't have arguments with them as calmly as I'd like. I can't keep up with their silly jabs/shit tests all the time, preferring to be silent or ignore them when I should react to them in a more positive manner.

The last girl I was with questioned me a lot in a short period because we met while she was traveling in my country and I was invited by her to visit hers. The problem arises when I told her about my intentions of staying with her longer than 1-2 weeks, maybe a month, maybe more. I understood I was being unreasonable because it had been only 2-4 months since we met, but the way she loved me felt so intense, more than I had ever experienced in my life after 4 long relationships.

I could see her fall out of love in real time as I failed to answer any of her serious questions, shit tests as the relationship went on, I got too anxious about losing her that I froze, and began agreeing with her about everything. The frame had changed. It went from her seeing me as a really cool smart mystical ladies man to a weak boy. She was so beautiful and it hurts knowing that it was all my fault that I lost her.

Sure, the modern woman comes with an insane list of expectations in dating, dating itself is hell. but I should know better than to betray myself like that.


How can I work on myself besides working out, eating healthy, making friends, hanging out, reading, working on skills? My sleep is really bad, I don't know how to fix it, I keep waking up too early, my average time is 4-5 hours. My emotions are really bad, I don't smile much. I have been having a bad few years, losing a parent, losing a good job, becoming homeless. She had admired my muscles and poker face, but she didn't understand why I had the poker face.

>>33397353
What did you hope to achieve by posting in this thread?

>>33397134
Yes.
I got gaslight, cheated on, and backstabbed in every way possible. Girl still seems convinced she's somehow the victim of everything.

This user is right though >>33397231, if it's truly an ex, like from years ago, and not like you're just temporarily fighting with the girl you've been seeing, it's probably just going to fuck with your head more.

>>33397743
>if it's truly an ex, like from years ago, and not like you're just temporarily fighting with the girl you've been seeing
She’s a recent ex as of 2 weeks ago but we weren’t fighting, that’s the thing that’s baffling me. It was the most cordial and decent break up I’ve ever been a part of or heard of. She even said that she “isn’t going anywhere” and that she just needs to work on herself. She’s probably manic depressive. She can have extreme depressive episodes. I’ve been there before but the problem is she doesn’t know how to contain it and cope, which is why she wanted to split so she doesn’t “hurt” me

>a bunch of hot college chicks at my gym
>wanna talk to/ask some of them out but can’t find a good moment and timing it so we’re both leaving I might as well be a Prussian artillery officer timing counter battery fire during the Second Schleswig War
>also have no idea how to handle the age gap question since I’m 31 and most of the girls look to be 19-22 but I’ve had a few people clock me to be in my 20s and I’m concerned that the signs of interest I’m getting is because the girls think I’m younger than I am

I just wanna spend 2-3 years banging around and gaining experience with women since I’ve never had a girlfriend before and the only sex I’ve had is wrapped up with a few middle-aged hookers that weren’t even hot. I know, I know, I should be looking for a wife but I don’t think I’ll be able to pick a good one or have a good marriage if I don’t get this lust out of my system.

>>33398118
So I guess my main question is what kind of tips do you anons have for picking up baddies at the gym? I’m trying to expand my social life as well but I don’t wanna wait forever to get laid.

I feel like now that we're holding hands regularly I feel way less anxious on dates because even if there's an awkward pause in the conversation I can feel reassured by the fact that we're holding onto each other. I'm also hugging her more around her waist instead of shoulders. Any touch maxxers got any tips on this?

>>28528162
>Work with men
>No place to meet women around my age/interest
What the fuck am I supposed.to do? I work and only go out for shopping, washing, and biking/enjoying a city walk. Fuck how to git em, where's a guy like me supposed to go?
>INB4 something something friends
Don't got them, though I have a former friends contact info, haven't talked some we met back up 2 years ago.

>>33396466 (OP)
Nice

How do I start emitting a more dominant/masculine disposition? I’m pretty sure most people think I give a nice guy/beta/small dick energy kind of impression. No one has said as such, but I’m pretty sure that’s the zone I’m in.
I’m not particularly nice or a simp. I’ve been lifting for 4 years. I don’t wear graphic t shirts, collect plastic, or have any Reddit characteristics.
I wear neutral colored clothes that fit me well. I don’t really say anything to strangers besides pleasantries but I can be assertive if the situation calls for it

Does the fact that I am unable to fall in love with any woman give me an advantage or a disadvantage?

>>33398118
>I’m 31 and most of the girls look to be 19-22 but I’ve had a few people clock me to be in my 20s and I’m concerned that the signs of interest I’m getting is because the girls think I’m younger than I am
31 and 20 is perfectly fine and I'm fed up of modern society (read: angry 30y+ single women) pretending otherwise

How long should I casually flirt with a woman I work with before I ask her out on a date?

>>33397363
Nice

>>33399282
2 weeks max.
and don't fucking lie about the casual flirt part because that's important. if you're actually doing that and she's receptive (if she's not walking away she basically is) then do it within a fortnight at most.

>>33399522
I'm pretty autistic but she smiles at me a lot. I am a little worried asking out a coworker though. What if she gets offended and complains to my boss?

>>33399526
hey you said 'casually flirting', now it's she smiles at me a lot. which is it? if you've spoken to her already and she's still smiles, then ask her out. girls take it as a compliment, and even if she said no it's not like you'd make it weird. don't over think it, you're in the correct environment to ask.

>>33399607
I flirt with her and she smiles.

>>33396976
My first two crushes were redhead and I absolutely wouldn't mind sexing them. Go for it and yes, play dumb

>>33397025
Don't know where you're from but in Australia girls either go to bars with their girlies and will NOT interact with anyone else other than bartender, or with their boyfriend. Different for uni (college) bars though. I have better luck meeting girls in libraries than bars which says a lot about how shit Australia's culture is

>>33399643
>but in Australia girls either go to bars with their girlies and will NOT interact with anyone else other than bartender, or with their boyfriend.
Well shit, guess bars are out for me then.

>not good looking
>Tall and muscular though
>For some reason girls smile to me and sometimes chat me up
>Recently this super cute girl who works at local grocery store has been more than just friendly, she asks how i am and questions like "do you have holidays soon? " "Are you going for local faire thing?"
And everytime gives me huge smile when she talks and a lot of eye contact

Should i ask her socials??

Also pretty often at gym really hot chicks smile to me when our eyes meet, whats up with that

I am 21M, average looks. I have no contact to any women that arent related to me. There are zero women at work ( construction ) and there are no women in my friend group. I feel as if im softlocked. Cold approach is generally frowend upon in my country (Germany), everyone in my town is either way younger or way older than me, almost everyone i went to school with has moved out, dont wanna move because ill inherit bunch of property + house also my parents arent getting younger, theres no clubs and only boomers go the bars we have. Whenever i try to talk to women my heart races like crazy, my throat closes up, i sweat, i shake. You cant make this shit up. Thanks to whomever read this bible. Any cirtique/advice would be welcomed.

>>33399728
If a girl engages with you first it's a massive green flag.

>how to meet women
>how to meet woman???
>how woman meeet???

to got church retards.

>>33400099
I’m not religious and have no desire to be preached at. What now faggot?

>>33400150
>live a life as an enemy of the creator of the universe
>things don't work out
huh, who would've thought??!

You guys are overthinking this and it's much simpler than you think.

Women are not that picky. They love all sorts of men. And if you just talk to her she will appreciate you for sure.

You just have to follow the two golden rules and I assure you, every opener will work, every approach will end well, and your crush will want to date you.

Rule 1. Have a very good looking face, symmetrical, with balanced proportions (no big nose, thin lips, weak chin etc), a sharp jawline and high cheekbones.
Rule 2. Be confident!

>>33400155
>live life following some random abrahamic religion
>still get screwed over repeatedly in life

Seems like it doesn’t matter if you are an enemy or not of the christcuck god since he hates you anyway.

Can't wait to go on a date in 2 hours, it's gonna be super awkward and we're never gonna talk again after. I was into her but when I saw her instagram, she had tattoos on her legs and I lost all interest. I'm basically going on this date to be nice and gain experience.

>every girl on dating apps look like they are really high maintenance and super demanding
i have no chance to get a girl like that
where are all the "ugly" and normal girls?

>>33400376
How's it going/how'd it go anon?

>>33399873
Maybe ask an actual question (You) selfish nigger. As other anons said: if you really want a gf go out of your way to meet people but by the looks of it you'd rather cry on the mongolian basket weaving forum about how much of a faggot you are. If you do what you always did you get what you always got

I'm irritated. I was sitting on a bench at the left end. A relatively hot girl sat down on the bench next to mine, at the righthand end. It was pretty clear she wanted me to talk to her. I don't know why I didn't do it, like she wasn't my type or something, I just felt unmotivated. But she was actually hot. Maybe I anticipated rejection during the chat or date. Annoying.

>>33400809
Probably similarly frustrated at dating options and ditching apps desu, if they are even single. Nice, normal women are generally taken because nobody wants to deal with crazies and uglies. Unless you got lucky, youre hunting for scraps like the rest of us. I got crushed when I found out the cute accounting girl at my company who is the nicest person Ive met in a while has a bf, but it makes sense, youd be dumb to not make a move asap if you met someone like her. Also, apps show you the more popular users to keep you engaged so maybe you just gotta hunt harder.

>>33401201
Well, at least you thought about it while it happened anon, not like 30 minutes later. Dont beat yourself up, besides she couldve been insane for all you know.

Should I tell a girl I’m into her or will that scare her away? I’ve been on 5-6 dates with someone and I still can’t tell if she’s interested, so I just want to know up front. Is that a bad idea?

>>33401117
Okay so it actually went really well, we were at the coffee shop for 3 hours and talked the whole time, no awkward moments. At the end we hugged and she said she'll text me but if she won't I'll just reach out tomorrow

>>33396532
fuck the one that likes you. The other will either get jealous or she won't.

>>33396976
do nothing that prevents you getting your dick wet.

>>33397134
They are mentally ill. Nothing is every their fault.

>>33401201
she looked a lot like this

>>33401627
why is everyone saying women are mentally ill? dont u have mums or sisters or some positive femenine figure in ur lives? if u see a little girl or if u had a daughter would u instantly treat her like shes insane?

>>33400099
finally, I can rizz up some hot 80 year old widows

>>33400376
>she had tattoos on her legs and I lost all interest
why are you like this
>>33401575
you're not mad at the tattoos anymore?

>notice mild crush blocked my number
>passed by in front of her house while on the bus on my way to work
>she was talking to some dude in front of her house at like 10pm
It's well and truly Joever now, /htgwg/ros.

Seriously, what a load of hogwash this all turned to be. I could've had her, but decided to go for someone else instead because she was more readily available. But then she turned to be fucking crazy and I lost my chance with this other girl.

do all girls that are single moms have a few screws loose or did I just pick a bad one?

>>33401662
I don't know man, its the first date its not like a committed relationship is likely anyway

>>33401695
why are you mad at tattoos though

is it her whole leg like a sleeve or just one squiggle somewhere

>>33400376
you have actual brain rot anon

I want a mommy gf/wife
I am pretty sure I am fucked up for this
They dont exist outside of porn or do they?

>>33401767
why do you say that?

>>33401745
just two, one's small the other is big. She wants more of course. I just don't like tattoos, they mostly look retarded

>>33401638
You saw Brett Cooper irl?

>Talking to chick on hinge (i know)
>fun chat over some questions she asked me to guess
>do it a few times
>cant get it right, just ask her to tell me
>unmatched me almost immediately
fuck this shit

>>33399643
I'm in the USofA and its the same here. Only reason I asked was that I felt that the chick wanted me to make a move. Like we made eye contact quite a few times

How do I go about looking for a hookup? Dating apps and singles mixers aren't viable places for this, are they? I'm not looking for anything serious or long term.

>>33401904
go to the club at 1-3 am

>>33400197
rule 0: be white and tall (universally attractive)
rule 0a: be the attractive stereotype for your region (in Asia Kpop guy, Atlanta a rapper guy, Tennessee some country boy, etc. etc.)
rule 0.5: be charismatic and expressive

>>33396466 (OP)
>got called over to a girls house
>started kissing and undressed
>didn't let me penetrate though
i feel like she might have been a virgin with how she had no idea how to kiss, but what virgin invites a guy from tinder home for the first meeting?

>>33397427
To show how fucked up women are nowadays.
If you want dat pussy, you gotta be an atrocious human being.

>>33401575
BRO If she said "she'll text [you]", DO NOT TEXT HER FIRST. That could be seen as needy.
If she's actually interested, she'll keep her word.
Always assume they're competent. If not, do you really want her?

>bitch breaks up with me over text
>tells me to go fuck myself and that she doesn't want me in her life anymore
>next day she texts me saying she apologizes for how she talked to me and that she respects me but doesn't take back what she said
>now she's texting me asking for the name of a YouTube channel that live streams endurance races that I showed her the other day like nothing happened
What the fuck do I even do here? I think she has other intentions because you can easily find the name of the channel. But the way she talked to me was so disrespectful that I feel nothing but disgust left for her. Tempted to tell her some ugly truths about herself but I want to walk away as the bigger person.

>>33402023
They're not competent though, they just say shit all the time and most of it doesn't mean anything

>>33402116
Cut off contact and move on. The other option is having her waste your time

>>33402116
Block her. She fucked up if she wanted anything to do with you, even as an acquaintance. She's dead to you.

>>33401943
She likes you but doesn't want to feel like a slut. Take her out on a nice date and pay attention to her so she knows you're not just going to pump and dump and she'll let you smash. The three date rule exists for a reason

My stats:
>25
>6ft tall (actually 5ft 11 7/8in but don't tell anyone)
>strong jawline
>7in penis
>not overweight
>full head of hair with no signs of balding
>shitty job
>going to college
>car is currently busted
>live with parents
>kissless hand holdless virgin

Is there any hope for me?

>>33402333
Yes, college is probably the best way to meet women.

>>33402366
It's a community college and it sucks. I never see people socialize and the few clubs there are suck.

>>33402372
you might have to start your own club. Not even kidding

>>33402243
Yeah I know, but treat them as if they are. Otherwise it looks like you're falling over backwards for them, which they very often categorize as "needy" rather than helpful.
If she does not hold up to what she says, again, do you really want that? If she cared enough she would reach out as she said.

>>33402116
Send her this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doSWS0Fj24

Fuck women, I'm done. I can't handle this shit. Time to die a virgin

>>33402454
I think you need to a bit of /mlp/ ;)

>>33402454
wat happen

>>33402498
an entire life of women taking advantage of me
>girl in college sends me nudes constantly while telling me that we'll fuck eventually for a year
>when I make a move she calls me a perverted creep and ghosts me
>things go well with work gf, but she moves away to live with a group of her autistic friends rather than moving in with me
>try tinder, match with one person after a few months
>she smells like shit and then tells me that she "didn't feel a spark"
>get set up on blind date, goes on three dates with me and then ghosts me
>coworker #2 goes on a few dates with me, calls me a creep randomly and stops talking to me
>meet girl online, talking to her for about a year and exchange nudes every few days
>buy her a gift for her birthday and then ghosts me for two weeks
women are self-centered Liliths, fuck them

>>33402577
why have multiple women called you a creep though? that’s not normal. do you have good hygiene and dress normally?

>>33402587
>do you have good hygiene and dress normally?
yup
>why have multiple women called you a creep though?
excellent question, because they're cunts?
the first literally called me a creep because I tried to fuck her after she said she wanted to fuck.
also mind you that was two women over the course of 12ish years so I wouldn't especially call that a pattern

How to find women who are more than likely dtf? I'm interested in women in their 30s. I like the challenge of picking up a woman like at a bar or something but also not opposed to using an app or site
Currently want to hook up with an African American lady

>>33401779
Grow up

Hey guys I'm probably autistic and could use some examples of flirting, asking girls out, the flow of conversations, recognizing signs and how to advance, etc. I could also use some examples or advice on dating websites/apps if I have no luck in person. Anyone got anything?

>>33402607
>that was two women over the course of 12ish years so I wouldn't especially call that a pattern
OK but then why
>an entire life of women taking advantage of me
This sounds like you've tried a handful of dates which didn't go so well and rather than learn from the experience you just threw in the towel entirely. which mind you is most of the anons here but that doesn't make it any less retarded

>>33403020
If you notice something about them you like or find interesting, point it out. Literally sometimes when I'm walking by someone, I'm like "hey nice shirt!" Literally two days ago I complemented a lady on her dress since it had an embroidered flower pattern on the bottom of it. Simply caught my attention but made her feel good about it.

Another example, if they're tall and we make eye contact I've literally been like "wow you're tall!"
If they didn't notice me looking, I wouldn't say it because they wouldn't be wondering why I noticed them.

Stuff like that. It lets you gauge their interest by their reaction. So if you bump into them again soon after, they'll probably remember, and starting a conversation they won't be like "who's this stranger?" It's a weird psychological thing.


Another example, if I'm doing something beside them and I notice they have baggy pants or something, I could say "now those are some baggy pants!" If it's a simple "thanks" in response... idk, up to you man. But if they're like "Thanks! I got them at ....." or something that's more in-depth, then you can be like "is that your usual style?" And the conversation can continue and you can mention your preferred look, experiences finding the right clothes, etc.

It all starts with you noticing and assuming things. They can always correct you if your innocent assumptions are wrong. People just like to be noticed.

>>33403020
>i like your boobies which are in your shirt
>please let me show you my penis

I keep fumbling with beautiful women. I have had 3 different encounters with very hot women and I don't know if it's just because our paths dont match, or what, but I found myself turning into a pile of goo in front of them immediately after we kiss/fuck.
What do?

>>33401916

You still need a good looking face. The attractive stereotype thing is a meme, tell that to St Blackops2cel.

"be charismatic and expressive" sure and be yourself bro

>>33403020

Just follow these three rules bro

1. Have a very good looking face.
2. Be tall.
3. Be yourself!

>>33402116
She showed her true colors in a moment of vulnerability and now she's trying to fix it, jump ship

I think I just had a great idea for a date.
>daytrip 1hr 30min drive to caverns
>pick her up and get breakfast at a diner
>lunch at a small town
>winery tour/tasting
>antique shop or something
>get home late afternoon/early evening

>>33403597
That's good thanks, but then what do you say after that assuming your compliment is well received?
>>33404303
My face ain't bad but I look a little older than I am because I'm bald. I wouldn't say I'm tall but I am 6' so taller than most women. As far as being myself, I need to work on myself a little bit develop more hobbies and work on my social skills but don't know really where I can do that.

>>33404507
You're talking to a blackpill troll bro, ignore them. Here's some basic advice:

>flirting is just jokes with a sexual subtext
>think james bond or austin powers with names like pussy galore or alotta fagina
>no need to go too overboard, sometimes just being honest about wanting to bend a girl over the nearest piece of furniture works too
>it can be scary as shit to say blunt stuff like that but as long as you're respectful about it and not crass then a fair amount of girls will like it

>to ask girls out just make casual conversation to get her comfortable with you then tell her that you think she's cute/hot/sexy/whatever and that invite her to hang out with you
>doesn't need to be anything major, sometimes grabbing some food and walking around cool places is enough
>after an hour or two, consider inviting her back to your place or to chill in your car or if you're feeling ballsy, tell her that you really want to fuck her but your living situation isn't ideal so you guys should head back to her place
>best away to open a stranger, guy or girl, is a situational comment but if you can't think of anything, hi works just fine too
>to escalate to sex, usually light touching/brushing on the neck, arms, legs but since you're autistic I recommend just saying "hey, I wanna kiss you/let's make out" and try to talk as confidently as possible - think commander shepard from mass effect saying the iconic "we'll bang, ok?" line

>best way to be good at conversations is to listen and try to comment on/relate to what she's saying, this shit sounds easy but a surprisingly large amount of people fail this shit by just blabbing on due to nerves, learn to shut up and think before you speak
>be passionate about your hobbies, if you wanna talk for an hour about board games or mountain biking or whatever, just own it, if she doesn't like it then her loss cause you're awesome

>>33404645
>for dating apps, good photos are a must, tons of resources online on how to take good photos or if you really want then pay a professional photographer to take some good ones
>being lean and also looking fit also pays insane dividends on getting hot girls, once you're in decent shape virtually no girl is going to turn you down due to lack of physical attraction but due to other shit like incompatible interests/personalities or you not being assertive enough or maybe you look like her creepy uncle or something
>also be sure to groom yourself well and wear reasonably nice-fitting clothes
>you don't need to 100% all of this shit to get girls but doing that will ensure you hit your absolute peak of woman-attracting ability

>as for indicators of interest, basic ones are hair flips, catching them looking at you (especially if they are also smiling at you and are not someone who you already know), trying to get in close proximity to you, randomly asking you to help them with stuff that they could easily do themselves, etc
>also some girls do this thing where they are walking past you where they are not looking directly at you but it's obvious that they are checking you out with the corner of their vision
>if a girl is repeatedly showing up at the same place you are around the same time, like conveniently being at the gym during the same hours as you for multiple days/weeks on end
>cashier girls having a friendly conversation and then suddenly saying what time she gets off her shift without any prompting
>a girl suddenly becoming very shy and quiet around you when she's normally very open, this is very common if you're an older guy and she's younger

You got this autistbro, happy fucking!

>>33404688
And on a final note, go for girls that you're genuinely excited at the prospect of banging/making your girlfriend/fuckbuddy. If she's a gym bunny with a banging bod that likes hiking or some dopey chick with zero curves that won't shut the fuck up about Persona 5, if she makes your dick hard and your heart sing then go for it. It's your life and when you are approaching the end, you will be glad that you followed your desires and not the opinions of others.

>>33396466 (OP)
How much do women care about their date's job? How many women would date a guy who makes less than them? I have a date tomorrow who wants an "Ambitious" bf aka a guy with a good job but I'm a delivery driver lol... wondering if I should call off the date or message her about it to see if it's a dealbreaker? The advice online is to keep things light and fun though

>>33404795
just say you're a Logistics & Distribution Technician KEK

>>33404795
If what matters is ambition, all you need to show is that you have things cooking in the oven. If that's not enough, then she isn't after ambition. She's after someone that already made it and isn't in it for the ride. There are girls that will struggle to the top with you and stay with you as long as the fire doesn't die out, but if she's not that person, then move on, and if you're not that ambitious guy, then that's okay too. You still deserve someone. Let no one tell you different.

Any advice for a nerdier guy dating in an area dominated by college life and sports? I live north of boston so every girl I meet seems to be the same copy pasted sports loving party college girl. Theres not much around me either for my hobbies aside from a comic shop filled with fat greasy men.

>>33404886
You could always get somewhat into those things, anon. Failing that, a good contrast with your partner is also fine to have, especially if they're super extroverted. They'll definitely bring your energy up.

>>33404645
>>33404688
>>33404711
Thank you for the well thought out and honest replies, these are definitely beneficial to me now to just stop being cowardly and put myself out there

Ever since the covid hoax I stopped interacting with the goyim cattle including women. I just look through them and pretend they don't exist. I don't even greet them or acknowledge their presence. I'm not staring, I'm just looking straight through them as if they weren't there.
My life has significantly improved. I have zero social anxiety now, not that I had much before but now I have zero.

>>33405280
Very cool, anon, but this thread is about getting women. Maybe you should take it to another board. Secondly, goyim is the plural of goy, which makes it ungrammatical to say goyim cattle. I somehow doubt you are Jewish as well, but if you are, then you should know better, and you should avoid calling people goy, because it's rude.

>>33404301
good hair and style can balance out average faces and pass the threshold for attracting women
if your face is below a 5 or a 4 then yea it's truly over

but the lean pill is real. there is so much face gains to be made if you just become lean

>>33396466 (OP)
>Be me, man
>On Hinge (in big city) for 2 days now
>Zero likes, zero matches
Normal or is something wrong with my profile

>>33397743
Women are the victim because they give sex to their partner for free. If you want a woman to feel like she isn't being exploited, pay her for sex.

>>33398503
>I don’t wear graphic t shirts,
>I wear neutral colored clothes that fit me well.
booring. You dress to not draw attention to yourself because you are afraid of other men judging you and hurting you.
The problem with this is it also repels women because they think you are meek and weak.
Men aren't going to attack you so step out of your comfort zone and dress more provocatively.

>>33396466 (OP)
I read the "Why Women Deserve Less" book. Only chapters 7 and maybe 8 were good. The rest of it was meh. I think "Models" and "No More Mr Niceguy" got the idea of masculine self improvement for your own sake across much better.

We're so cooked because we need to reproduce to save the white race, but politicians and technocrats are making relations between the sexes so utterly terrible.
NEVER FORGET WHO DID THIS TO US.

>>33406062
oh brother give me a fucking break. This thread is retarded. You faggots could do this for eternity.
A girl sin't going to like you because you dont wear graphic t shirts or because you wear neutral colored clothes holy FUCK you people are actually retarded. WOMEN DATE LIKE THE MOST SUBHUMAN MEN POSSIBLE, there are BEAUTIFUL men who remain single for years, there's NO RHYME OR REASON to female attraction, you just have to get lucky. STOP TRYING SO HARD.

>>33406354
you should be dressing well and not like a weak faggot regardless but
>you just have to get lucky
is the plain truth.
years of irl approaches gave me no long-term results until recently i caved in and got hinge. only had it for less than a week, sent out a lot of likes, had just 1 single match - and that match is now obsessed with me. it's looking so perfect at the moment that it feels like a straight up joke...until you realize that no, it's just luck.
complicating it to the level of the fucking colour theory of your clothes is definitely insane.

Ngl this feels dystopian and kind of makes me want to delete the apps, knowing anyone could say anything about me and I have no way of knowing or even defending myself

>>33402607
If multiple women that dont know each other are calling you a creep, you need to be real about the cpmmon denominator here instead of saying theyre all wrong.
t.a creep who has never been called a creep

>>33406681
see >>33402607

>>33402116
Oh boy, replies to this post are written by avoidant traumatized children

>>33402116
>bitch
This is the woman you chose, this is the woman you led, trained and guided. Even if you are not aware of sexual polarity. Calling her a bitch reflects your standards and inner world, as well as retroactively devalues what you had. You chose her, you trained her. Now your pain is speaking

>breaks up with me over text
>tells me to go fuck myself and that she doesn't want me in her life anymore
Pay attention. When women leave, they disappear. They dont argue, they dont fight. They vanish into someone else bed

Your hurt ego blinds you. See behind the words, that woman is hurt so she expresses her emotions AT THAT EXACT moment with the magnitude of her own pain. She wants you to feel as she feels. This is how women are wired, its not their choice

>next day she texts me saying she apologize
This is huge. Women almost never apologize. Especially not to the men they dont love. If she wouldnt care, you would be ghosted, blocked for life

>she respects me
For a woman thats a huge step over ego to say this after apology

>doesn't take back what she said
Yes, because its not about her words. Its about what made her feel this way to say it. Something is fucked in your relationship, do you have anger issues? Avoidance? Seems like you are as emotional as she is, reactive

>now she's texting me asking for
She misses you, she wants you, she creates opportunity for you to lead. To seduce, to emotionally regulate her, to have dates and romance. But you are inexperienced yet and your ego is fragile so far

>like nothing happened
She is offering you peace and you are still stuck in fighting. She is acting more manly than you are

>the fuck do I even do
You are not ready to date yet. She already apologized, hinted at bigger flaws and submitted to your lead by offering you guiding her (asking for youtube channel)

Be the king, romance her like its a first date

>>33406593
>go on app
>anytime you see a girl you fancy asking about a guy she likes proceed to talk mad shit about him

They really did not think this through.

>>33402116
Oh and this also is important

>want to walk away as the bigger person
No, its your pain speaking, rationalized

You want to run away not to feel more pain

But if you run away now, you will remain clueless, emotionally unstable boy, recreating this with the next woman. And the next. You are at the threshold of change, and you are to afraid to face whats behind it

Bigger person faces the fear of rejection, faces pain, emotions of other and of himself. Standing in the storm tall and making decisions with clear head

Its easier to vilify the woman, see her as the damaged one and escape into the next loop recreating it all over

But this woman is actually a mirror of you as a man. At the beginning she was sweet, right? Cute, melting for you, bubbly, available and following? Easy? Warm?

The woman is the same. What changed is you choosing her as a romantic follower, and leading both of you here in this moment with your words, actions, choices, beliefs

I dare you to make an experiment here. Full reset. Have one date with her as if its the first date. Its a new woman. No grudge, no passive aggressiveness from you, zero reactivity. Not a word about past, future or relationship. Eat the ice cream, talk about ducks in the park an how much you love the autumn when its yellow and the wind smells like apple cider. Present moment, fun and lightness. Seduce her like its the first time

Observe how, despite resistances and hesitation, she will slowly bloom from ice into a flower you fell in love in the first place

Women are mirrors of you

And afterwards you can decide for yourself if you want to keep her, or have a proper manly relationship with someone else

Instead of being a reactive, clueless, hurt boy you are right now. And I say it with brutal honesty that you need

>>33401575
She agreed to a second date

>haven't had sex in almost 2 weeks
>7/10 tinder match is asking me to come over
>just can't get myself to feel sexually attracted to her
>8/10 wants to get dinner with no guarantee of sex
>other tinder matches are at varying degrees of ghosting or just plain not attractive enough to warrant my attention despite seeming down to hook up

I'm in a slump with no way out bros, should I just keep hoping for a more attractive tinder match or try hitting up old fuckbuddies?

>>33407232
Fuck the 7/10 so you can be clearheaded with the 8/10. Same as you get to Carnegie Hal: practice, boy, practice.

>>33407232
oh boo hoo two weeks without sex. What a faggot.

How can I get rid off my filter so I can just speak my mind when talking to women? I sometimes take too long to respond to a question or to form cohesive speech. I think it's partially rooted in anxiety + social ineptness but I'm curious how I can overcome this and what strategies you may implore

>>33407376
Consciously force yourself to do that.

this aspie bitch that talks to me sometimes really annoys me, she was crying about Cobert getting cancelled and I told her it's not because of some grand conspiracy it's because he sucks now and nobody watches his show, I kinda like her in a weird way yet I've never been more annoyed or disgusted by a woman before

>>33407376
>How can I get rid off my filter so I can just speak my mind when talking to women? I sometimes take too long to respond to a question or to form cohesive speech. I think it's partially rooted in anxiety + social ineptness but I'm curious how I can overcome this and what strategies you may implore

just play it off as being a clueless stoner bro, girls think that aloofness is cute

>>33407400
Congratulations, you're no longer being blinded by the pussy. You can now live life as a free-thinking, rational man with substantially lower risk of having your day fucked up by some badly-behaved foid

>>33407417
yeah man, I'm probably the oldest poster on here but several months ago someone in my friend group blabbed to this chick I had a crush on that I really like her (mutual friend) and she lit my ass up for not being upfront with her about this, we're still friends but now I am distant, it was the most humiliating thing I ever went through but also liberating like something changed inside of me that I swore to myself that I would never let this happen ever again

>>33407433
>I'm probably the oldest poster on here
Not saying you're not but I'm in my mid-30s, dude. And I'm not even really an "oldfag," I've only been here since 2012.

>>33407439
>>33407433
I'm also 34, and I've been here since 2008. We're not old, dudes.

>>33407404
>girls think that aloofness is cute
Believe me, they don't. They think I'm slow (even tho I have an engineering degree and a job that pays 3x more what they make) or they think I'm not "speaking my mind" and I'm "carefully crafting a response to agree with what they're saying". It's total bullshit

>>33396466 (OP)
>pic
I find this phenotype kinda ugly, but women look so pretty when they smile like that. also, she looks like she has nice tits.

>>33406704
>>33406763
Uh yeah, captivating and all but I just settled for blocking her. She's not worth all that effort. She even broke up with me using the exact words her ex told her when he was fed up with her. She's still not over him.

She's pretty, but I saw red flags written all over the moment I met her. I ignored them because she was really fucking pretty, but she's not worth the headache.

>>33407453
It's funny you bring that up, because nothing has made me feel more old then trying to get back into dating in my 30s after a relationship so long it was practically a marriage (we were engaged towards the end)
Women under 30 basically don't even consider me an option anymore for some reason. I'd like to know where all these daddy issue women looking for older men are, because I haven't found a fucking one

>>33406354
Dressing in a neutral way is a red flag for women because it makes them think you are hiding something and probably hate women or are an incel because they got nothing else to go by. It's like dressing in camouflage - they're only going to think negative things about you because that is their default view of men.
If you wear a shirt with the name of a band you like, or a picture of your favorite animal, then they have something to latch on to and think about.

>>33407607
The key to getting women under 30 as a guy over 30 is not to look like an old man. Or if you do, look like one of those well put together older gentlemen in tuxedos and not a fat slob with a neckbeard. After that you can pull younger girls of all types, not necessarily ones with daddy issues. So basically
>lose weight if fat
>get jacked and strong if weak
>get one of those fashionable haircuts
>behave chill and like a youthful guy
Also worth noting that on dating apps a lot of younger girls will set their hard limit at 30 even if they'd be totally down to bang with a dude older than that in other cases. I've fucked three different girls who all did that and I was more than a decade older than two of them.

>text her less
>she's triple texting me now
winning?

>>33407607
I'm in the same boat, anon. I was married until I was 27, all through my 20s with my hs gf. I felt more old toward the end of that marriage than I do now, and I'm going to back to school in the fall, so I'll be surrounded by plenty of younger women. I'll be fine, and so will you.

I'm 22 and about to finish school, its soooo over for me, dating apps are trash and real life is impossible. I'm dying alone and a virgin.

>>33408543
>behave chill and like a youthful guy
Well then I'm fucked, I'm a business owner in a highly competitive field and the day I "chill" is the day my employees and I stop eating.
At this point, the only option I feel like I have is to just keep grinding until I can afford sugar babies, and if I ever want kids just knock one up.

gf has a male (semi) best friend. dude has a gf himself and i’ve met him, he is very different from me in terms of looks and personality. my gf has autism and the most authentic person ive dated. i have no doubts about her loyalty, even more so after seeing them interact

i wasn’t too bothered by this until a friend said he would never put up with it. i consider myself to be secure and confident, how big of a deal would this be to you?

>>33406482
Ghostmaxxers create history. Ghostmaxxers are history. Throughout the ages, it is ghostmaxxing men that drive the tide of fate. This ghostmaxxed comment that I am typing now will reach dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands of people.
The ones at the top are ghosts. They are human beings hiding behind countless need-to-know clearances and nobody knows who they even are.

You were built in the image of the creator, and what that means is that you too were gifted with the power of the Holy GHOST, by birthright. The power of the Holy Ghost lies in adventure. Though waging or taking neetbux from governments and shitposting is easier, GHOSTMAXXING is the greatest power in this universe. It trumps all. So use your power that was given to you and fulfill your destiny.

If you do nothing, you and everyone you love will slowly die, or worse they will become literal NPC's caught in the jewish panopticon.
IF you take action, this can be prevented.
The more time you spend playing video games, shitposting here or watching kike films instead of taking action, the more time this evil has to spread.

It's time to exit the digital jew panopticon and leave behind your old life stranded in the chain of time, so take action anon.

>>33401646
>dont u have mums or sisters or some positive femenine figure in ur lives?
My mother is an emotionally unstable BPD bitch and my sister is a whore addicted to drugs and you wonder why i hate women

>>33407232
>>haven't had sex in almost 2 weeks

lol try 30 years

>>33401638
Fuck me. Several girls sat down near me this summer to show interest but I chickened out on all except one. Got a date with her but she rejected me during the date. I've always sucked at approaching girls that show interest or to start talking to girls who sit down near me to show interest.

>>33410102
All the girls who were interested in me lost interest later because I was too autistic.

>>33407232
>>8/10 wants to get dinner with no guarantee of sex
...why not? whats the problem?

>>33409468
This would be a huge deal to me.

ESPECIALLY because she is autistic. That means she can be persuaded. EVEN IF you are 100% confident she can’t - she may even be herself - but she can. She doesn’t have the ability to control herself sometimes. And that’s fine. That’s just how women are.

I was in your position my friend. She said he was just a friend. She’d never have anything with him. I believed her and for a long time it was fine. It was true. But one day we had a huge argument. Guess who she went with that day for comfort. Guess who she formed an emotional connection with because her boyfriend said it was okay to spend time with him. Guess who she made out with. Lesson learned.

So even though you may be fine with it. This is the time to be a man and set a boundry. Your woman should never have a male best friend. At least not one who’s straight. Heed my warning. Or learn the lesson I did.

>>33409468
Nah, bro. You don't have to confront her directly, but there should be a rule that if you're going to see this friend, you have to be there as well as his girl. No one-on-one or stupid shit like that. If she can't do that, then the solution is obviously that she only hangs out with you. That's a recipe for cheating. Trust me on this.

>>33407462
Completely eliminate pause words (uhm, ahh, like, etc). Speak deliberately and concisely. Don’t stare at them blankly, look off and away, dart your eyes about a bit, slight furrow of the brow. Demonstrate through physical expression that there are wheels turning and it’s not just dial up modem sounds in between your ears. Give yourself a 6 second time limit for this. When you do respond, stare right into their eyes with laser like focus and say what you have to say with conviction. Don’t blink or waiver if they don’t like your response.

Sounds retarded but as a fellow engineer it’s worked for me.

>>33409351
Not saying completely relax and stop caring but maybe stop acting too uptight and serious all the time. I had a boss who was in his late 40s and dude ran a pretty demanding business but was still very cool and was more than happy to shoot the shit with us younger lads during downtime.

I barely use Snapchat and I have a burner Insta account with no followers and no name. I have yet to ask a girl out, but if I ask a woman out and she wants to trade socials what should I do? I ideally would meet a woman who isn't into social media but just in case what would you guys recommend? Just say I don't have Insta and ask for phone?

>>33410650
Add your friends so you dont have a blank account mate

>>33410729
I don't have many

Are practice gfs really that bad? Obviously it's hard enough to gain enough confidence to approach, so it would be easier if she was someone I had zero attraction to. Much less pressure.

>>33411073
I don't think anyone has said it's bad for you, but it is bad to take advantage of someone if you're not actually into them. Women do it to men, but it doesn't mean you should do it to women who don't even have the ability to do that. Being an ugly woman is pretty shitty as is, anon. That being said, if you want to just take things and see if you get into someone, then that's different, as long as you make it clear when they start to catch feelings that you don't feel the same way and you don't lead them on, but generally, you should try to be with people you're actually attracted to unless they have some kind of great personality that actually brightens your day or you're trying to inherit millions from your sugar mama.

>>33404711
>>33404688
>>33404645
Really nice information I second it also checked

>>33396466 (OP)
>Girl I dated for four year blocked my cell, blocked me on social media, ghosted me, and immediately started dating another guy within a month, completely without warning
Why do I even bother

>>33411636
She was probably cheating on you, anon. If she couldn't even properly break up with you, she's no good, and you got rid of a fucking drag. Just remember: she will be back, and when she comes back, you tell her to go right back the way she came. She's dead to you. Remember that. And keep trying. You will find someone.

>>33411774
Thanks man, that actually does make me feel a bit better

>>33411783
And don't attempt to contact her or run into her. In fact, take a trip if you can, and invite a woman or women along. Focus on liking them.

>gf literally has thousands of photos of me
>physical intimacy is very inconsistent
what does this mean?

>>33411073
>Are practice gfs really that bad? Obviously it's hard enough to gain enough confidence to approach, so it would be easier if she was someone I had zero attraction to. Much less pressure.

Nah, getting rejected by some mid fatty is worse for me than getting rejected by a 10/10.

>>33411832
Means you need to initiate more but escalate slower. Simple things like brushing her hair or hand, or just giving her a spank from behind once in a while are good. Don't keep your hands to yourself, but small little gestures like that will get her used to it, and escalating further will seem minor.

My ex liked something on instagram that had the caption "so now we know who loved the other more after all" even tho she was the one who broke up with me. How does this mean she loved me more? She was the one that wanted distance, she mentally isolated herself from me for the last 2 weeks of our relationship and I asked her what was going on and she'd just say that she "thinks she's going insane" and I'd comfort her a little and ask her to elaborate and then she would just fucking mock me. What's weird is she's had mini mental episodes with me a handful of times in our 4 year relationship but she never mocked me or got visibly frustrated with me. She had a bunch of family visit for a month recently and I know she's been stressed about school but idk, I'm just sad. What did I even do wrong? I gave this woman so much, I loved her so deeply, and she has the gall to say that I she loved me more. When her grandfather died on christmas day 2 years ago and she came back home, we didn't have sex and intimacy was very limited and I didn't say a fucking word about it, I knew what she was going through and I went out of my way to be an even better, selfless boyfriend. When my grandmother who I lived with, who was the only person I had in my life that cared about me, my gf got mad that I was taking attention away from her and she decided to talk to me about some petty thing that I had done the week prior, but we got over it. Such bullshit, I'm so fucking pissed rn. I gave her the benefit of the doubt, I let her have the distance she desired because she was "going through a lot" and she even said she loved me before I dropped her off after we split, and then she has the audacity to like all of this content that makes me out to be a piece of shit. I guess I'm a piece of shit for caring and looking out for this woman. She's never experienced love before and the fact that I gave her exactly what she wanted confuses her because she is a broken beyond repair CUNT

>>33411073
Did it and I'll save you the trouble. It just is a friend who wants to bond with you further. Had it happen with an escort who I lost my virginity to. I came out of it feeling rushed, like it didn't feel right like it would had I known a woman.

Hey guys can you tell me the greatest blunder you've ever had with a woman? Something that still haunts you to this day? Thank you

>>33412236
>first ever date from Tinder
>girl is legit 8+/10
>talk to her for two hours, she gets bored
>we leave
>she asks me where I live, asks me if I live nearby
>I brush it off, trying not to be to pushy, and go home
Needless to say I didn't get a second date.

>>33396466 (OP)
How do I grow a pair of balls and actually start talking to women?

>>33412236
Bagged a 9/10 Asian chick. Went to see double feature with her in college. I was inexperienced with women so like a retard I spent most of our time in the theater actually watching a movie. I never initiated anything, we didn't start making out until I could feel the heat of her breath on my ear. Never smashed.

She would soon break it off saying that she just wanted to have sex and I seemed to want something more serious. While I definitely would have liked to keep her around, I did want sex, I just had no idea how to get it even when it was right in front of me.

Moral of the story? Don't be a pussy.

>>33412945
I had a latina with the fattest tits ever basically jump on me and hug me tight and squeeze her tits in my face looking at me in the eyes practically begging me to kiss her and I did nothing.. i said "uhh can we go outside??" and shes like uh okay.. and then ignored me. Being a pussy hurts

>>33412832
>How do I grow a pair of balls and actually start talking to women?
It can be difficult because the drive is to set the goal at *getting* a woman, hence the thread, but what helped me was setting the bar incredibly low and moving it up.
Like literally just saying words to women.
Saying sentences to women.
Chatting to women about the weather.
Talking to women.

At University, I set my goal at asking women out and getting rejected by them.
Once I got good at that, I set it to asking women out and getting them to like me but still rejecting.
I kept learning and improving and realized that rejection is literally nothing. It's someone who I wasn't spending time with choosing not to spend time with me because they think we're not compatible because we aren't or because they got the wrong impression yme. That's all it.

Eventually I failed to be rejected.

>>33412236
I have a few.
There was the time this girl I was crushing on wanted to take a walk while drinking a bottle of liquor. It was gin which I found to be nasty and ended up leaving early. Years later I put it together that she was trying to get me drunk so I'd make a pass at her.

There's the time my sister's best friend suddenly climbed into my bed at night, straddled me, and asked if I liked it and I had no idea what was going on and tried to say that the way she sitting was pressing on my dick and which I really liked but it was actually painfully squishing it a bit and would be awesome if she moved just a touch to the side. I ended up telling her something like it was uncomfortable and she was crushing me and she left right away.

There's the time I tried to send my friend I had accidentally fallen in love with a message joking that I loved her because some rando had said he loved her so she lamented gow guys kept falling in love her her and ruining friendships. And her gay friend goofily professed his love for. In that moment, I could have said it too, gotten goofily rejected, and it'd been fine. But I thought of it too late. So I sent it as a funny message to which she replied seriously, let me down gently, and our friendship quietly faded and died.

There was the tim a girl I was dating was trying to show her friend my cock in a movie theater by just pulling it out and giving me a handjob while the three of us were together when I had never done anything like that at all and everyone was confused and I was trying to watch the movie.

I could probably go on.

>>33413113
Go on

>>33413124
Eh, maybe later, I'm tired.
Those were the big ones.

>>33412236
The whole sad story?
I've told it before.
The short version - in middle school I met an amazing girl - really pretty, really smart, really talented. And we got along, we spent time together all the time. I was completley in love with her. Freshman year? She invited me to the Sadie Hawkins dance and we had a great time, but halfway through I realized - I was already a manlet, I was getting OK but not great grades, and I am mid at best - she was damn near perfect. So i decided i would prove I was good enough for her. I really buckled down for grades to get into a good school. She was already making money as a professional musician so i focused on my guitar and keyboards. She was captain of the swim team so i started swimming a lot and getting faster at it. I was going to the best possible school to get the best degree and the best job so I could propose.
I barely got into the local state school. She went to an Ivy. I was struggling with Psych, she was 4.0in STEM. So kept pushing.
Then the end of her Junior year she dropped out to marry a towering gigachad of a soldier she met just a few months previous.
I was devastated.
2 years later I was talking to her mom and she said I had broken the girls heart in HS when I stopped talking to her. It had taken the girl 4 years to get over me not liking her.
I had all those plans but never told her. She had been in love with me and my insecurities destroyed it.
Now she has 5 kids and I have Tinder and escorts

>>33413124
he forgot to tell you that later he cheated on his wife and she found out, lol

>>33413301
God damnit man. Thats so fucked up. That actually really hurt me. I dont even know what to say, except that you somehow made me feel even emptier.

>>33413301
Hi, Steve. I see you;re still here, too.

>>33413412
>>33413343
You just know everyone on a first name basis dont you

>>33413439
Naw, I just remember him telling this story before, he said his name is Steve

>>33413412
Yeah
I'm here forever

>>33398662
roll emotions with disadvantage and you don't add your proficiency bonus for this check

Would you get in a relationship with a girl that expects you to:
>pick her up and drop her off everytime at her place, inconvenient location, out of the way for me
>pay for everything all the time, restaurants, everything on a vacation, when we are together, so not her rent etc
>and she expects that from the get go, from the first date into infinity

- in exchange she gives sex

I turned that offer down because it is transactional as fuck and I‘d feel used and basically as a pay pig - even though I‘d get sex. Also especially the vacation part with flight, Hotel, etc is real money. What is your take anons?

>>33413563
If she is making those demands of you that just kind of takes away the romance of anything. I would feel sick.

>>33399873
The only way to get rid of this fear, and I know this is going to be quite obvious, but you want an honest answer right?
The answer is to be around women more.
Speaking from personal experience, you have to do something in female spaces, which are often creative and expressive things. You might not agree with me, but that's your fear talking. And if you want a girlfriend - get over yourself.
So the concrete examples I can give you are:
1) Singing, join a choir. 90% women in those spaces, I'm in a choir myself.
2) Acting group - you get to learn how to express yourself in both body, face, and sound, and It's a safe place to be someone else without being judged for making mistakes. It builds confidence, which naturally attracts the women in the group.
3) Dancing. This one is the hardest/scariest, but also the best. I'm starting Bachata next week, which is a Latin dance with a man and a woman, and the man always leads. And everyone I've talked to who does it tells me that It's all about reading body language so you can lead, expressing yourself through movement and body language, and dancing with all partners in the class. It builds confidence like crazy, you get to hang out with hot women, you get to be less nervous with touch, and again Its a safe space to make mistakes.

I'll put a last remark on all of this, before you jump into the deep end - go to meetups and events where women are present and learn that there's MANY women and MANY options out there, so that you don't instantly spazz out and cream your pants with the first woman you dance with. I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions or want to share more! and good luck.

>>33413563
Like, why not just buy a fucking prostitute at that point? Seriously what the fuvk. What a cunt

>>33399873
You know that shaking bodily reaction shit that happens to you? That will go away once you do it enough. Just keep doing it. Pussy

>>33413563
First one is allright if it's at night for safety or whatever not all the time second no that's something you do for your stay at home take care of your children wife. Lack of compromise and making demands is the real kicker here too.

>>33413569
>>33413574
>>33413580
God bless you Anons - yes I feel sick about it too, but her manipulation game is strong and she tried to gaslight me into thinking that is expected of me because i earn more. Im luckily not as weak as she thought and didn’t fall for it, but she got me wondering. Exactly, that’s prostitute level but with extra steps

>>33412236
Was getting pizza late one night and ended up seeing one of the late shift workers there, a girl with easily the biggest fucking tits I'd ever seen in my life (like Minijello or Danielle Houghton tier), sitting at one of the tables waiting to get picked up from her shift by her dad. Somehow manage to strike up a conversation with her, she's got a bit of a flat voice but isn't disengaging from the conversation.
>what retard me should have done
Go for broke, ask her out and grab her contact details. Either I get rejected or I get to motorboat some glorious big boobs.
>what retard me actually did
Disengage from the conversation myself, making up some bullshit that she looks like she's in high school and too young even though I was only 23 at the time.

This was 7 years ago and it physically pains me to think that I missed a once in a lifetime opportunity and that some other dipshit schoolkid probably got to tittyfuck her instead.

>>33413590
Also for tiny things i didnt buy immediately, she’d go cold and distant immediately and i was wondering tf was suddenly wrong - later she just told it to me directly - fuuck what a fucked up experience.

>>33413563
Nah. Always remember, a girl that likes you will try to make it easy for you. If you have to work for it, that's not a relationship. That's just buying pussy. You don't need to contribute to hoeflation, anon. Go and spend that money on something nice for yourself instead.

>>33413597
Thank you Anon
She really went all in saying i still need to learn how relationships work etc - insane shit

>>33413024
But thats just the woman moving too fast i think. Woman man yes, but that kind of stuff is also individual. I think the man must make the first move or it turns the dynamics around im a wrong way.

>>33413609
Nah there were signals through out the night leading up to that point. I am such a pussy while im sober. Seriously its exactly the same thing I did when I was 16 with my first gf. She gave me the fuck me eyes and I said "uhhh can we go for a walk" and almost broke up with me after.. its pathetic fucking pussy shit.

>>33413603
Personally id rather be single for the rest of my life than ever be humiliated in such a fashion by some entitled fucking cunt like her

>>33413637
Thank fuck, because that was my decision as well. Just needed an outside take

>pulled into parking spot in front of gf's place
>big F250 in front next to me
>hit tire with my bumper
>OH FUCK
>get out of car, gf is going to change anyway, tell her I need a minute whole she changes
>fix bumper for the most part but feel retarded and embarrassed
>she doesn't think it's a big deal at all but I'm sperging in my head the rest of the night
Epic.

>>33413708
I have begun to accept that my brain just will come up with retarded shit and fears all the time if left unoccupied, and as a result managed to often just ignore it, and be present in the moment instead. Only real solution.

>>33413719
thanks. the night was fine anyway, we just played games with her friend, and I truly don't think she cared even though I was (and am still) embarrassed about fucking up like that in front of her. also her friend brought their retarded dog that barked the entire time

>>33396466 (OP)
>I got my coworkers number a few weeks ago.
>I haven't said anything about a romantic relationship with her.
>I've offered to take her several places, she left me on read.
>Talking with her later I found out she was apparently busy with her family.
>Our supervisor broke up with her a few months ago and she sounded like she open to a new relationship.
>But ever since I started trying to spent more time with her, she keeps saying she is too busy for any relationship and brings it up anytime a couple walks in the breakroom.
This was such a sudden turn around that I feel like I'm somehow responsible. Like she's either trying to send a message to me specifically or it's a shit test.
Do I just give up at this point?
Do I keep trying to keep her in my life for when she is ready?

>>33413824
She doesn't want a relationship with you, anon. It's that simple. If she wanted to, she would. There is enough time in the day to respond to texts, and there is enough time in a week to plan a date. She's just using you to get attention while she gets over her ex. Drop her, and if she comes back, you can try something, but remember what she did first and don't take her too seriously, just as she hasn't taken you seriously.

Femanons
Talked with some chick for a week, on the date she said that it isn't it and left.
Lol women, don't try to date, such a waste of time.

Are asian women easier to seduce?

>>33413824
You should take a major step back and stop pursuing her because youre coming off as over bearing, desperate, and pathetic

>>33412236
I was snowboarding up at Mammoth Lakes on a long weekend, had a little cabin to stay at. Went into town to grab a few beers at the local bar. Some 9/10 gorgeous blond ski bunny sits next to me and starts talking to me out of the blue. I was much younger at the time and hadn’t really picked up on the subtle (or not so subtle) ques that women give off. Anyways we talk about where we’re from, I regale her with a couple of adventure stories I had, throw a few jokes out there. Last call comes up and I mention I gotta get to bed because I want to get up early enough to have breakfast before hitting the mountain. She says “well, I’d love to have breakfast with you” with this side long glance. Me, the idiot I am, says “oh cool, where do you wanna meet up at?” And she just shakes her head and says good night. I’m walking back to my car rather puzzled and just as I grab the door handle I realize what she meant by have breakfast with me and whisper the most self loathing “goddammit” I’ve ever muttered. Fuck me I still think about how oblivious I was.

>>33414341
Lmao .... dude ... ;( that would annoy the fuck out of me too you retard

>>33414212
Just go to kabukichu and negotiate with some tachinba

>>33414367
Dude I fumbled so many here-I-am-on-a-silver-platter opportunities in my twenties. And the worst part is that I did it right in front of my friends and would proceed to get roasted for weeks about it. Mortifying man.

I regret dating a woman for 4 years who was molested as a 14 year old. These people are so incredibly broken and are incapable of feeling loved / giving love

>>33414437
I.. can tell you one of mine if you want..;(

Is it sometimes wise to give space? Like i Saw her on thursday, I might not ask her out again until sometime next week and see how she reacts.

>>33414591
Always pull back first. You're just as valuable as she is, if not more. Don't let her think she's rewarding you with her presence. Start talking to other girls if you haven't done so.

>>33396466 (OP)
I am finding that in my country everyone is too degenerate.
Why is casual sex the norm? I dont want to fuck someone who is basically a stranger. Let me get to know you better first. Then they think you are weird if you dont jump on the chance to do it.
How does one navigate this? I just dont want to engage in sex with people I dont know I want to be with, its really that simple.

>>33396466 (OP)
>try light banter with a girl
>unmatched
Tough crowd

>>33413881
That's why you want to take it off the apps as soon as possible. Texting is very different to talking

If I have a strong racial preference when dating, should I get into a relationship with a race that is not that preference if the connection is there? Or should I hold out and wait for the preferred race?

>>33417087
Kinda curious what yours and your preferred race are
Assuming you're talking about your own race, it's probably better to stick with your own kind instead of looking for a partner who you're not going to be interested in on a fundamental level that they can't change

Got a similar issue where I'm only possibly attracted to 10-15% of the available women in my area because of this, really feels limiting

Also outright encouraging interracial relationships is fucking weird

>>33415166
You didn't start talking about hitler or something did you?

>>33414212
real asian women (not asians that grow up in the west) are harder then even white women and i don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
we're talking about the qt's obviously, the ones you want a long term relationship with. with white girls you just need to be tall and look good and that's it, but asian girls get bored of those looks fast. most definitely do care about looks to an extent but also far more a lot about personality and a general lifestyle match because they actually have things going for them, like a career and a roadmap for the future. just try to get with the likes of a mid-late20's singaporean girl whose already excelling at a good career like accounting and let me know how that goes for you lol, just being Chad aint gonna cut it.
but even though it's hard it's also probably the best thing ever. if you can get through to them they will worship you and serve you and ride your dick like its got a short expiration date.
>>33417087
if you're fine with potentially giving up a lifetime of happiness because of race then you can't be made about living a bitter lonely life if nothing works out for you. why you wouldn't pursue connections is beyond me. you can certainly have a preference, but if someone clearly good for you shows up then go for it because the racial difference can be more than made up with with a religious/cultural similarity.

>>33413301
Holy shit!
it's Steve!

Need some advice on how to approach a local barista. And yeah, I know the meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpdhE1uG1Y

I usually go to this cafe maybe twice a week and always get a cold brew with an extra shot
But one time I switched it up and ordered a cappuccino to go
After I finished it, I was about to throw the cup away and noticed she had written
>Hi, anon! No cold brew with extra shot today? haha

So now I’m wondering… is that a sign? Could I maybe ask for her number or socials next time I'm there?
I've asked out a few girls before, but something about the whole barista thing makes me second guessing myself

There's someone I fucked up my relationship with, ended up ghosting her for a month and now she won't respond to my tests. Anything I can do to salvage things?

>>33418416
Kek

>>33418416
Hit her with a "plz respond"

How should I go about sliding in a girl's DMs on TikTok? She goes to my university but I've never seen her on campus. What's a good icebreaker?

>>33418519
Are you an archaeologist? Because I've got a bone for you to examine.

How much does a player need to lie to women and what kind of lies to get laid a lot? To have a lot of sexual options? Curious if anybody got some examples. I'm sure there's an insane amount of lying these guys have to do

>>33418760
It’s not about lying, it’s social and psychological savviness. Some people are naturally talented at social stuff, that’s why it’s easy for them to get laid, as if they’re not even trying. It’s not tips and tricks, it’s more about understanding the art as a whole. But mostly it’s the skill of understanding other people’s feelings and how they work

>>33418760
>How much does a player need to lie to women and what kind of lies to get laid a lot?

Surprisingly, they don't lie. Most players just heavily spam the numbers game while maximizing their attributes like fitness, coolness, being a charming asshole, that kind of stuff. One of the most surprising things I learned in getting better with women is that a lot of them will just kind of bend to your will if you straight up tell them what you want. Tell a chick you banged that you want to sleep with lots of women and that she'll be one of many and if she can't take it then she can take a hike.

It's something you have to actually witness to believe because it doesn't seem logical but I've seen a guy fucking 3 different women simultaneously (all of whom were pretty good looking girls from decent families) with their full knowledge AND said that he didn't want them sleeping with other guys and they put up with it completely unfazed. It really just underpins how fundamentally different men and women are because not a single well-adjusted man would agree to that kind of deal but girls are designed to follow dominance.

Now obviously not all girls will be up for that but genuine players don't care, they just next them and move onto the next hoe.

>>33418911
Nah most women won't put up with that, hence the lying. Tell me about that guy fucking multiple women and them being ok with it. I bet he's a top 1% guy in one or several aspects

I can appreciate that you guys are trying to avoid demoralisation. But holy shit, how do you do it? Everything I have experienced up to this point has been a stern lesson in why I should never be hopeful at all. Do you just delude yourself, or is there actually something there?

>change my hair style
>since then 3 female friends have been significantly nicer to me
2 of them want to hang out a lot more now. Interesting

>>33418942
>Nah most women won't put up with that, hence the lying.

They will. I've seen it and I've done it. I wouldn't have believed it without first-hand evidence because it sounds insane but it works. Players who lie to get women are usually messed-up guys who lie in general to everyone about everything.

>I bet he's a top 1% guy in one or several aspects

Average height, not ugly but not model type either (most of his physical appeal I'd wager comes from him being quite fit). Rides a motorbike, used to do wrestling but not anymore. Has a couple of tattoos but I don't think that really counts in his favor since they are anime and vidya themed. Works in QA testing so decent money but he ain't pulling down high six figures. Fun dude to hang out with. Hardly a top 1% guy but not a loser either.

>>33419092
But are you sure he was actually banging multiple women with their agreement, or he just SAID he was? How can you be so certain? Men do falsely brag sometimes especially when it comes to sex.
>no he's a close friend he's so honest he wouldn't lie to me
Yes they do and you are very naive

>>33401646
My mom and sisters are the direct reason my family fell apart

>>33418338
you need to have regular conversations first otherwise she'll think you're weird, she prob has guys hitting on her everyday

>>33419119
>How can you be so certain?

Because I actually met his girls, duh. Two of them I met while dropping off something at his place, third he had tag along with me and my girlfriend at the time when we went to see Dune.

>and you are very naive

Hardly but you seem very invested in the idea that in order to sleep with many girls men have to lie to them. I think red pill stuff might've fried your brain.

>>33419196
Allright so how did those girls justify being the 2nd and 3nd etc. wheel to other people? Because their friends and family, acquaintances will ask questions and it's very humiliating for women. If the guy doesn't lie to them, the women certainly are lying to others. So still lots of lying. The fact that they were so open about it tells me you're living somewhere in a leftist bubble?

>>33419211
>Allright so how did those girls justify being the 2nd and 3nd etc. wheel to other people?

They didn't, it's just the girls enjoying their time with the guy and that's all the justification required. It helped that he didn't treat any of the girls as disposable cum dumpsters like taking them to the movies or just casually hanging out with them besides sex and helping them out with advice and stuff. Like I said before, you need to actually experience this for yourself because me telling you that yes, this is possible will just sound insane and illogical. Will every girl go for it? No, each woman is different. But a surprisingly large amount will just roll with it if you make your desires firmly known.

>The fact that they were so open about it tells me you're living somewhere in a leftist bubble?

I'm not giving away that kind of personal information but I can tell you for a fact that two of the girls he was involved with went to Christian schools and are from fairly big families. So that shits on your theory.

>>33419245
>They didn't, it's just the girls enjoying their time with the guy and that's all the justification required
No it's not. One of women's biggest motivations is to not look like a "slut" i.e. easy or interchangeable. Partially because of survival realities, and partially because people will very much ostracize them if they do. This is not a new development. Women almost universally want commitment, don't want to share their man with another woman. Even when they know he's a player, they think they can change him and make him commit. You are talking about an arrangement that is EXCEPTIONALLY rare for women to want in particular, and they are invariably resentful of the other women in the mix and plots against it. That's why even with muslims that openly do this with multiple women can only do it if he marries each of them and proves himself to their family and friends.

>>33419050
Are you talking about being rejected? I literally don't care and just hop to the next girl. If there is no next girl at the moment I just continue playing video games and working out until I find a next girl.

>>33419295
Sincere word of advice - stop stuffing your brain with red pill philosophy. Those guys have very little clue what they are talking about beyond the absolute basics like being assertive with girls.
>girls don’t wanna be too slutty because reputation
This was the case 200 years ago when stepping out of bounds meant possible death. With today’s social mores and casual sex being quite common I can genuinely tell you that most girls don’t give a fuck.

Try it yourself. Bang a girl, tell her you’d like to see other chicks on the side. If you’re feeling ballsy, tell her you don’t enjoy the idea of her sleeping around. The funny thing is that even if you don’t do that and she has the freedom to fuck around, most girls will just stick to shagging you alone anyway.

Or you can just continue believing that it doesn’t work and lie to girls anyway.

>>33419361
I don't doubt it might work with some girls if you're upfront at the beginning (and after you fuck them). But largely they will be resentful for it. And none of what I said is redpill philosophy (?? what) it's just how most of the world still works. Women want to feel special for a man and don't want to be a "side bitch". They don't want to look like sluts, that's hardwired, even as they are clearly exposed for being promiscuous. "Slut" is still the biggest insult for a woman anywhere in the world. So I maintain you live in a leftist bubble, not saying it's good or bad. But you're not just talking about casual sex, you're talking about polygamy/polyamory, and those kind of lefty people entertaining it won't be ok with only the man being able to sleep around and not the woman. That's more like patriarchal Muslims or other like that. So I doubt she is being honest with others about being a "side bitch" and not sleeping with other people herself.

>>33419457
>women want to feel special for a man
And they do if you treat them well instead of just using them as disposable holes. I’m getting the sense that you’re talking from theory instead of actual real life experience hence the thought that you were regurgitating red pill talking points. Society has changed considerably in the last 5 years let alone 25 years. Slut isn’t as impactful a word for zoomer girls.

It’s also funny that you bring up leftists when in my observation more right-wing “players” were likely to have this kind of arrangement.

Most times rejection doesn't hurt but sometimes it does. What should I pray to god for? For strength or to show me the right girl? It hurts anons, I'm so fucking stupid.

>>33419513
>Slut isn’t as impactful a word for zoomer girls.
Well I don't hang out with zoomers like you (nor do I ever want to) so you got me there...

>more right-wing “players” were likely to have this kind of arrangement.
Definitely not in the open as you described it. Right wingers would lie about it much more

If I buy and start using one of those Stanley tumbler things, will that help me get noticed by women?

>>33419607
For sure bro

>>33419050
You try again and again and again until you succeed. And if you don't, you can at least take pride in the fact you've tried

>browse Tinder
>suddenly got two matches and one like on a weekday around 11 am
>all real people
I refuse to believe Tinder isn't pulling a fast one with their algorithm

Was with a girl today and my dick wouldn't comply, it was like 75% of the way there, but just not staying hard. How do I fix this for the next time. I am taking Finasteride fwiw. Is it just too much deathgripping?

Girl I'm seeing is going to a flower crown making thing this afternoon with ladies from church. Help me workshop this flirty text to her I'm planning on sending:
>hi, I hope you're having a great time. A pic of you in your flower crown would make my day :)

She literally just texted me after not texting all day lol but no pic

>>33420186
Don't beg for the pic. If she doesn't want to give it, pretend like you forgot. And don't ask for shit like that. It looks clingy.

>Talking with girl via dating app
>We get along great
>Ask her if she'd want to grab coffee or something and chat
>Unmatches me

>Inb4 "using dating apps"

What exactly is going through women's heads when they use these apps? Why are they continuing to talk to me if they the thought of meeting up immediately triggers their flight response? Do I need to just be WAY less direct about wanting to meet up with them? How do you even do that? When I was in college I never struggled with asking girls out to get coffee and now girls panic when asked on a date on a dating app.

>>33420227
First, don't use dating apps. You can't inb4 your own post, newfag. Secondly, the reason for that is that she isn't looking to actually meet someone. Some women just do it for the attention and the validation that they get from having a conversation with a guy that is obviously attracted to them. Do not talk to those women. Get off the apps and go out IRL.

>>33420227
First of all dont say "you wanna grab coffee or something" you need to be more specific.
Second there is a subsection of women being brainwashed by social media into not accepting coffee dates because it >low effort. Either use it as a filter and go next or get played and do something "high effort"
Third some women just there for attention.

>>33420227
It has nothing to do with a girl panicking, she just wasn't feeling like meeting you. And you should be direct to weed out girls who don't actually want to meet up (which will be large % of your matches no matter what)

>>33420249
Cool, where IRL? 80% of relationships start online now. Everyone who gives this "go outside" advice promptly shove a rake so far up your ass your skull bursts because that's meaningless horseshit unless you can recommend an actual place type of place to go.
>You can't inb4 your own post newfag
THEN WHO FUCK CAN EVEN USE USE INB4 YOU RETARDED ASSWIPE?!? THAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING PURPOSE OF INB4 GOD I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

>>33420263
>brainwashed by social media into not accepting coffee dates because it >low effort.
Which is stupid, first date should be low effort just to see if you even like each other in person.

>>33420271
>Cool, where IRL? 80% of relationships start online now.
And yet not necessarily on dating apps. People first make contact on all sorts of online communities, but you must also realize that most long-term relationships don't start online. All the trash ones do. You may get lucky, but tinder isn't the place where you're going to find a woman. Discord maybe, instagram, facebook, etc, but you aren't going to find them on tinder.
>Everyone who gives this "go outside" advice promptly shove a rake so far up your ass your skull bursts because that's meaningless horseshit unless you can recommend an actual place type of place to go.
Well that depends. What's your current living situation? How old are you? What are your interests and hobbies? You need to know all those. I could tell you to go rock climbing. That's where I found my gf, but do you rock climb? Do you like to go outside?
>THEN WHO FUCK CAN EVEN USE USE INB4
The first person responding to the post when pointing something out, you fucking newfag.
>THAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING PURPOSE OF INB4 GOD I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU
You sound mad, anon, and no it isn't. You're just new. Lurk moar.

>>33420211
Damn OK should I reply even

>>33412236
I bumped into a girl who was probably an 8/10 who I knew in high school at a bar. She was smoking hot and tall too. I chatted her up and managed to get a first date with her. We went out for drinks and I was so nervous I got hella drunk and the bartender asked her to take me home. I woke up in the morning in her apartment not even remembering how I got there. Left before she woke up, and had a parking ticket on my car too. She ended up getting married to the guy she dated after me, they have a kid now. Anyway, thanks for reading my blog post

>>33420227
congrats, you're learning that matches in and of themselves mean nothing. you should interpret a match - at best - as the girl finding you attractive enough to engage. beyond that you should not have any real expectations, but asking her out shortly after noticing getting along is the best thing you can do for yourself to avoid wasting time and getting led on.
don't listen to other anons telling you to not use the apps. i and other friends in my circle found our girls through there. keep using it but obviously look for opportunities IRL as well.

>>33420413
Yeah, reply eventually. Remember trying harder doesn't help. Get her to try harder.