>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of those even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for men trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, have given up, or insist that there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>33396466 (OP)
A girl in kne of ky social grouos seems to have taken a fancy to me. She's hot but right now I've actually taken a fancy to another girl in the same social group. What do I do about this to diffuse this situation is painlessly as possible? Or is it even a better idea to go with the girl who clearly and overtly is attracted to me, over a girl that might not be particularily attracted ti me?

>>33396532
women choose, men only accept or decline

>found a girl I used to go to elementary school with on an app
>super hot redhead, but is polygamous and other weird/kinky shit

I want to try and match with her just to fuck, but should I even bring up knowing each other if we match? Ive met people from elementary school now as adults and they have found my autisticly detailed memory of my childhood events to be weird so I almost dont want to bring it up..... in fact we never really talked so I dont think she would even remember me. Should I just play dumb?

How to cold approach w*men in a bar. The few times I've been to a bar, I've locked eyes with a few qts. Kinda feel like I should talk to them but they're usually in a group and I'm not sure if they're open or I'm deluded. I wish there was a checklist for an autist like me

Where do I find low maintenance girls? This was the second time I've been broken up with because I don't treat them as my number one priority in my every waking moment, even when I get home tired from work. This time it was because I told her I wouldn't go to a motel with her and I'd rather just bring her to my house. I'm not wasting money to fuck her unemployed ass.

I myself am a very low maintenance guy, the only thing I expect out of her is for her to not cheat on me. Don't even care if she talks to other guys as long as she doesn't send them photos of her or goes out with them.

Do women always have to make themselves out to be the victim of some great injustice during a breakup? My ex thinks that I find her insufferable when I fucking don’t for starters, and idk how she would have ever came to that conclusion. I wanted to invite her out to go fishing with me because that’s something we talked about doing when we were together but I think she’s mad at me even tho she’s the once who initiated the break up because she was being “mentally overwhelmed” by shit that didn’t have to do with me but now she’s making it seem like it had everything to do with me because she keeps fucking bad mouthing me

>>33397134
you invited her to go fishing after the breakup? don't do that bro it's done
better off never seeing each other ever again

only through very specific circumstances can you still retain a veneer of friendship after a break up

>>33397115
>women
>low maintenace
Pick one. Women aren't men. Hope you and your future husband get along, faggot.

>>33397177
>only through very specific circumstances can you still retain a veneer of friendship after a break up
Well we literally only spent time with each other if we ever left our houses and she always referred to me as her best friend. Even after the break up she said she’ll see me later lol. It was a very amicable breakup and she made it seem like it was caused by depression + a lot of external factors going on in her life rather than some kind of mismatch or wrong doing. We were together for almost 4 years. I think this is one of those situations.

>>33397134
Why the fuck are you talking to an ex? Grow up and move on, you were given the biggest fuck you middle finger ever by getting dumped and youre trying to hang out? Get some self respect and block her ass you fucking simp.

>>33397231
Because of the above >>33397227, also I still care about her and trust her that she was telling the truth and I’d like to be there to comfort her

>>33397216
What a fucking drag dude.

>>33396466 (OP)
>How to Get Women
just bee yourself

I feel like I always have been really shitty in relationships. I tend to be critical of my girlfriends passive aggressively, or the other way around. I can't have arguments with them as calmly as I'd like. I can't keep up with their silly jabs/shit tests all the time, preferring to be silent or ignore them when I should react to them in a more positive manner.

The last girl I was with questioned me a lot in a short period because we met while she was traveling in my country and I was invited by her to visit hers. The problem arises when I told her about my intentions of staying with her longer than 1-2 weeks, maybe a month, maybe more. I understood I was being unreasonable because it had been only 2-4 months since we met, but the way she loved me felt so intense, more than I had ever experienced in my life after 4 long relationships.

I could see her fall out of love in real time as I failed to answer any of her serious questions, shit tests as the relationship went on, I got too anxious about losing her that I froze, and began agreeing with her about everything. The frame had changed. It went from her seeing me as a really cool smart mystical ladies man to a weak boy. She was so beautiful and it hurts knowing that it was all my fault that I lost her.

Sure, the modern woman comes with an insane list of expectations in dating, dating itself is hell. but I should know better than to betray myself like that.


How can I work on myself besides working out, eating healthy, making friends, hanging out, reading, working on skills? My sleep is really bad, I don't know how to fix it, I keep waking up too early, my average time is 4-5 hours. My emotions are really bad, I don't smile much. I have been having a bad few years, losing a parent, losing a good job, becoming homeless. She had admired my muscles and poker face, but she didn't understand why I had the poker face.

>>33397353
What did you hope to achieve by posting in this thread?

>>33397134
Yes.
I got gaslight, cheated on, and backstabbed in every way possible. Girl still seems convinced she's somehow the victim of everything.

This user is right though >>33397231, if it's truly an ex, like from years ago, and not like you're just temporarily fighting with the girl you've been seeing, it's probably just going to fuck with your head more.

>>33397743
>if it's truly an ex, like from years ago, and not like you're just temporarily fighting with the girl you've been seeing
She’s a recent ex as of 2 weeks ago but we weren’t fighting, that’s the thing that’s baffling me. It was the most cordial and decent break up I’ve ever been a part of or heard of. She even said that she “isn’t going anywhere” and that she just needs to work on herself. She’s probably manic depressive. She can have extreme depressive episodes. I’ve been there before but the problem is she doesn’t know how to contain it and cope, which is why she wanted to split so she doesn’t “hurt” me

>a bunch of hot college chicks at my gym
>wanna talk to/ask some of them out but can’t find a good moment and timing it so we’re both leaving I might as well be a Prussian artillery officer timing counter battery fire during the Second Schleswig War
>also have no idea how to handle the age gap question since I’m 31 and most of the girls look to be 19-22 but I’ve had a few people clock me to be in my 20s and I’m concerned that the signs of interest I’m getting is because the girls think I’m younger than I am

I just wanna spend 2-3 years banging around and gaining experience with women since I’ve never had a girlfriend before and the only sex I’ve had is wrapped up with a few middle-aged hookers that weren’t even hot. I know, I know, I should be looking for a wife but I don’t think I’ll be able to pick a good one or have a good marriage if I don’t get this lust out of my system.

>>33398118
So I guess my main question is what kind of tips do you anons have for picking up baddies at the gym? I’m trying to expand my social life as well but I don’t wanna wait forever to get laid.

I feel like now that we're holding hands regularly I feel way less anxious on dates because even if there's an awkward pause in the conversation I can feel reassured by the fact that we're holding onto each other. I'm also hugging her more around her waist instead of shoulders. Any touch maxxers got any tips on this?

>>28528162
>Work with men
>No place to meet women around my age/interest
What the fuck am I supposed.to do? I work and only go out for shopping, washing, and biking/enjoying a city walk. Fuck how to git em, where's a guy like me supposed to go?
>INB4 something something friends
Don't got them, though I have a former friends contact info, haven't talked some we met back up 2 years ago.

>>33396466 (OP)
Nice

How do I start emitting a more dominant/masculine disposition? I’m pretty sure most people think I give a nice guy/beta/small dick energy kind of impression. No one has said as such, but I’m pretty sure that’s the zone I’m in.
I’m not particularly nice or a simp. I’ve been lifting for 4 years. I don’t wear graphic t shirts, collect plastic, or have any Reddit characteristics.
I wear neutral colored clothes that fit me well. I don’t really say anything to strangers besides pleasantries but I can be assertive if the situation calls for it

Does the fact that I am unable to fall in love with any woman give me an advantage or a disadvantage?

>>33398118
>I’m 31 and most of the girls look to be 19-22 but I’ve had a few people clock me to be in my 20s and I’m concerned that the signs of interest I’m getting is because the girls think I’m younger than I am
31 and 20 is perfectly fine and I'm fed up of modern society (read: angry 30y+ single women) pretending otherwise

How long should I casually flirt with a woman I work with before I ask her out on a date?

>>33397363
Nice

>>33399282
2 weeks max.
and don't fucking lie about the casual flirt part because that's important. if you're actually doing that and she's receptive (if she's not walking away she basically is) then do it within a fortnight at most.

>>33399522
I'm pretty autistic but she smiles at me a lot. I am a little worried asking out a coworker though. What if she gets offended and complains to my boss?

>>33399526
hey you said 'casually flirting', now it's she smiles at me a lot. which is it? if you've spoken to her already and she's still smiles, then ask her out. girls take it as a compliment, and even if she said no it's not like you'd make it weird. don't over think it, you're in the correct environment to ask.

>>33399607
I flirt with her and she smiles.

>>33396976
My first two crushes were redhead and I absolutely wouldn't mind sexing them. Go for it and yes, play dumb

>>33397025
Don't know where you're from but in Australia girls either go to bars with their girlies and will NOT interact with anyone else other than bartender, or with their boyfriend. Different for uni (college) bars though. I have better luck meeting girls in libraries than bars which says a lot about how shit Australia's culture is

>>33399643
>but in Australia girls either go to bars with their girlies and will NOT interact with anyone else other than bartender, or with their boyfriend.
Well shit, guess bars are out for me then.

>not good looking
>Tall and muscular though
>For some reason girls smile to me and sometimes chat me up
>Recently this super cute girl who works at local grocery store has been more than just friendly, she asks how i am and questions like "do you have holidays soon? " "Are you going for local faire thing?"
And everytime gives me huge smile when she talks and a lot of eye contact

Should i ask her socials??

Also pretty often at gym really hot chicks smile to me when our eyes meet, whats up with that

I am 21M, average looks. I have no contact to any women that arent related to me. There are zero women at work ( construction ) and there are no women in my friend group. I feel as if im softlocked. Cold approach is generally frowend upon in my country (Germany), everyone in my town is either way younger or way older than me, almost everyone i went to school with has moved out, dont wanna move because ill inherit bunch of property + house also my parents arent getting younger, theres no clubs and only boomers go the bars we have. Whenever i try to talk to women my heart races like crazy, my throat closes up, i sweat, i shake. You cant make this shit up. Thanks to whomever read this bible. Any cirtique/advice would be welcomed.

>>33399728
If a girl engages with you first it's a massive green flag.

>how to meet women
>how to meet woman???
>how woman meeet???

to got church retards.

>>33400099
I’m not religious and have no desire to be preached at. What now faggot?

>>33400150
>live a life as an enemy of the creator of the universe
>things don't work out
huh, who would've thought??!

You guys are overthinking this and it's much simpler than you think.

Women are not that picky. They love all sorts of men. And if you just talk to her she will appreciate you for sure.

You just have to follow the two golden rules and I assure you, every opener will work, every approach will end well, and your crush will want to date you.

Rule 1. Have a very good looking face, symmetrical, with balanced proportions (no big nose, thin lips, weak chin etc), a sharp jawline and high cheekbones.
Rule 2. Be confident!

>>33400155
>live life following some random abrahamic religion
>still get screwed over repeatedly in life

Seems like it doesn’t matter if you are an enemy or not of the christcuck god since he hates you anyway.

Can't wait to go on a date in 2 hours, it's gonna be super awkward and we're never gonna talk again after. I was into her but when I saw her instagram, she had tattoos on her legs and I lost all interest. I'm basically going on this date to be nice and gain experience.

>every girl on dating apps look like they are really high maintenance and super demanding
i have no chance to get a girl like that
where are all the "ugly" and normal girls?

>>33400376
How's it going/how'd it go anon?

>>33399873
Maybe ask an actual question (You) selfish nigger. As other anons said: if you really want a gf go out of your way to meet people but by the looks of it you'd rather cry on the mongolian basket weaving forum about how much of a faggot you are. If you do what you always did you get what you always got

I'm irritated. I was sitting on a bench at the left end. A relatively hot girl sat down on the bench next to mine, at the righthand end. It was pretty clear she wanted me to talk to her. I don't know why I didn't do it, like she wasn't my type or something, I just felt unmotivated. But she was actually hot. Maybe I anticipated rejection during the chat or date. Annoying.

>>33400809
Probably similarly frustrated at dating options and ditching apps desu, if they are even single. Nice, normal women are generally taken because nobody wants to deal with crazies and uglies. Unless you got lucky, youre hunting for scraps like the rest of us. I got crushed when I found out the cute accounting girl at my company who is the nicest person Ive met in a while has a bf, but it makes sense, youd be dumb to not make a move asap if you met someone like her. Also, apps show you the more popular users to keep you engaged so maybe you just gotta hunt harder.

>>33401201
Well, at least you thought about it while it happened anon, not like 30 minutes later. Dont beat yourself up, besides she couldve been insane for all you know.

Should I tell a girl I’m into her or will that scare her away? I’ve been on 5-6 dates with someone and I still can’t tell if she’s interested, so I just want to know up front. Is that a bad idea?

>>33401117
Okay so it actually went really well, we were at the coffee shop for 3 hours and talked the whole time, no awkward moments. At the end we hugged and she said she'll text me but if she won't I'll just reach out tomorrow

>>33396532
fuck the one that likes you. The other will either get jealous or she won't.

>>33396976
do nothing that prevents you getting your dick wet.

>>33397134
They are mentally ill. Nothing is every their fault.

>>33401201
she looked a lot like this

>>33401627
why is everyone saying women are mentally ill? dont u have mums or sisters or some positive femenine figure in ur lives? if u see a little girl or if u had a daughter would u instantly treat her like shes insane?

>>33400099
finally, I can rizz up some hot 80 year old widows

>>33400376
>she had tattoos on her legs and I lost all interest
why are you like this
>>33401575
you're not mad at the tattoos anymore?

>notice mild crush blocked my number
>passed by in front of her house while on the bus on my way to work
>she was talking to some dude in front of her house at like 10pm
It's well and truly Joever now, /htgwg/ros.

Seriously, what a load of hogwash this all turned to be. I could've had her, but decided to go for someone else instead because she was more readily available. But then she turned to be fucking crazy and I lost my chance with this other girl.

do all girls that are single moms have a few screws loose or did I just pick a bad one?

>>33401662
I don't know man, its the first date its not like a committed relationship is likely anyway

>>33401695
why are you mad at tattoos though

is it her whole leg like a sleeve or just one squiggle somewhere

>>33400376
you have actual brain rot anon

I want a mommy gf/wife
I am pretty sure I am fucked up for this
They dont exist outside of porn or do they?

>>33401767
why do you say that?

>>33401745
just two, one's small the other is big. She wants more of course. I just don't like tattoos, they mostly look retarded

>>33401638
You saw Brett Cooper irl?

>Talking to chick on hinge (i know)
>fun chat over some questions she asked me to guess
>do it a few times
>cant get it right, just ask her to tell me
>unmatched me almost immediately
fuck this shit

>>33399643
I'm in the USofA and its the same here. Only reason I asked was that I felt that the chick wanted me to make a move. Like we made eye contact quite a few times

How do I go about looking for a hookup? Dating apps and singles mixers aren't viable places for this, are they? I'm not looking for anything serious or long term.

>>33401904
go to the club at 1-3 am

>>33400197
rule 0: be white and tall (universally attractive)
rule 0a: be the attractive stereotype for your region (in Asia Kpop guy, Atlanta a rapper guy, Tennessee some country boy, etc. etc.)
rule 0.5: be charismatic and expressive

>>33396466 (OP)
>got called over to a girls house
>started kissing and undressed
>didn't let me penetrate though
i feel like she might have been a virgin with how she had no idea how to kiss, but what virgin invites a guy from tinder home for the first meeting?

>>33397427
To show how fucked up women are nowadays.
If you want dat pussy, you gotta be an atrocious human being.

>>33401575
BRO If she said "she'll text [you]", DO NOT TEXT HER FIRST. That could be seen as needy.
If she's actually interested, she'll keep her word.
Always assume they're competent. If not, do you really want her?

>bitch breaks up with me over text
>tells me to go fuck myself and that she doesn't want me in her life anymore
>next day she texts me saying she apologizes for how she talked to me and that she respects me but doesn't take back what she said
>now she's texting me asking for the name of a YouTube channel that live streams endurance races that I showed her the other day like nothing happened
What the fuck do I even do here? I think she has other intentions because you can easily find the name of the channel. But the way she talked to me was so disrespectful that I feel nothing but disgust left for her. Tempted to tell her some ugly truths about herself but I want to walk away as the bigger person.

>>33402023
They're not competent though, they just say shit all the time and most of it doesn't mean anything

>>33402116
Cut off contact and move on. The other option is having her waste your time

>>33402116
Block her. She fucked up if she wanted anything to do with you, even as an acquaintance. She's dead to you.

>>33401943
She likes you but doesn't want to feel like a slut. Take her out on a nice date and pay attention to her so she knows you're not just going to pump and dump and she'll let you smash. The three date rule exists for a reason

My stats:
>25
>6ft tall (actually 5ft 11 7/8in but don't tell anyone)
>strong jawline
>7in penis
>not overweight
>full head of hair with no signs of balding
>shitty job
>going to college
>car is currently busted
>live with parents
>kissless hand holdless virgin

Is there any hope for me?

>>33402333
Yes, college is probably the best way to meet women.

>>33402366
It's a community college and it sucks. I never see people socialize and the few clubs there are suck.

>>33402372
you might have to start your own club. Not even kidding

>>33402243
Yeah I know, but treat them as if they are. Otherwise it looks like you're falling over backwards for them, which they very often categorize as "needy" rather than helpful.
If she does not hold up to what she says, again, do you really want that? If she cared enough she would reach out as she said.

>>33402116
Send her this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doSWS0Fj24

Fuck women, I'm done. I can't handle this shit. Time to die a virgin

>>33402454
I think you need to a bit of /mlp/ ;)

>>33402454
wat happen

>>33402498
an entire life of women taking advantage of me
>girl in college sends me nudes constantly while telling me that we'll fuck eventually for a year
>when I make a move she calls me a perverted creep and ghosts me
>things go well with work gf, but she moves away to live with a group of her autistic friends rather than moving in with me
>try tinder, match with one person after a few months
>she smells like shit and then tells me that she "didn't feel a spark"
>get set up on blind date, goes on three dates with me and then ghosts me
>coworker #2 goes on a few dates with me, calls me a creep randomly and stops talking to me
>meet girl online, talking to her for about a year and exchange nudes every few days
>buy her a gift for her birthday and then ghosts me for two weeks
women are self-centered Liliths, fuck them

>>33402577
why have multiple women called you a creep though? that’s not normal. do you have good hygiene and dress normally?

>>33402587
>do you have good hygiene and dress normally?
yup
>why have multiple women called you a creep though?
excellent question, because they're cunts?
the first literally called me a creep because I tried to fuck her after she said she wanted to fuck.
also mind you that was two women over the course of 12ish years so I wouldn't especially call that a pattern

How to find women who are more than likely dtf? I'm interested in women in their 30s. I like the challenge of picking up a woman like at a bar or something but also not opposed to using an app or site
Currently want to hook up with an African American lady

>>33401779
Grow up

Hey guys I'm probably autistic and could use some examples of flirting, asking girls out, the flow of conversations, recognizing signs and how to advance, etc. I could also use some examples or advice on dating websites/apps if I have no luck in person. Anyone got anything?

>>33402607
>that was two women over the course of 12ish years so I wouldn't especially call that a pattern
OK but then why
>an entire life of women taking advantage of me
This sounds like you've tried a handful of dates which didn't go so well and rather than learn from the experience you just threw in the towel entirely. which mind you is most of the anons here but that doesn't make it any less retarded

>>33403020
If you notice something about them you like or find interesting, point it out. Literally sometimes when I'm walking by someone, I'm like "hey nice shirt!" Literally two days ago I complemented a lady on her dress since it had an embroidered flower pattern on the bottom of it. Simply caught my attention but made her feel good about it.

Another example, if they're tall and we make eye contact I've literally been like "wow you're tall!"
If they didn't notice me looking, I wouldn't say it because they wouldn't be wondering why I noticed them.

Stuff like that. It lets you gauge their interest by their reaction. So if you bump into them again soon after, they'll probably remember, and starting a conversation they won't be like "who's this stranger?" It's a weird psychological thing.


Another example, if I'm doing something beside them and I notice they have baggy pants or something, I could say "now those are some baggy pants!" If it's a simple "thanks" in response... idk, up to you man. But if they're like "Thanks! I got them at ....." or something that's more in-depth, then you can be like "is that your usual style?" And the conversation can continue and you can mention your preferred look, experiences finding the right clothes, etc.

It all starts with you noticing and assuming things. They can always correct you if your innocent assumptions are wrong. People just like to be noticed.

>>33403020
>i like your boobies which are in your shirt
>please let me show you my penis

I keep fumbling with beautiful women. I have had 3 different encounters with very hot women and I don't know if it's just because our paths dont match, or what, but I found myself turning into a pile of goo in front of them immediately after we kiss/fuck.
What do?

>>33401916

You still need a good looking face. The attractive stereotype thing is a meme, tell that to St Blackops2cel.

"be charismatic and expressive" sure and be yourself bro

>>33403020

Just follow these three rules bro

1. Have a very good looking face.
2. Be tall.
3. Be yourself!

>>33402116
She showed her true colors in a moment of vulnerability and now she's trying to fix it, jump ship

I think I just had a great idea for a date.
>daytrip 1hr 30min drive to caverns
>pick her up and get breakfast at a diner
>lunch at a small town
>winery tour/tasting
>antique shop or something
>get home late afternoon/early evening

>>33403597
That's good thanks, but then what do you say after that assuming your compliment is well received?
>>33404303
My face ain't bad but I look a little older than I am because I'm bald. I wouldn't say I'm tall but I am 6' so taller than most women. As far as being myself, I need to work on myself a little bit develop more hobbies and work on my social skills but don't know really where I can do that.

>>33404507
You're talking to a blackpill troll bro, ignore them. Here's some basic advice:

>flirting is just jokes with a sexual subtext
>think james bond or austin powers with names like pussy galore or alotta fagina
>no need to go too overboard, sometimes just being honest about wanting to bend a girl over the nearest piece of furniture works too
>it can be scary as shit to say blunt stuff like that but as long as you're respectful about it and not crass then a fair amount of girls will like it

>to ask girls out just make casual conversation to get her comfortable with you then tell her that you think she's cute/hot/sexy/whatever and that invite her to hang out with you
>doesn't need to be anything major, sometimes grabbing some food and walking around cool places is enough
>after an hour or two, consider inviting her back to your place or to chill in your car or if you're feeling ballsy, tell her that you really want to fuck her but your living situation isn't ideal so you guys should head back to her place
>best away to open a stranger, guy or girl, is a situational comment but if you can't think of anything, hi works just fine too
>to escalate to sex, usually light touching/brushing on the neck, arms, legs but since you're autistic I recommend just saying "hey, I wanna kiss you/let's make out" and try to talk as confidently as possible - think commander shepard from mass effect saying the iconic "we'll bang, ok?" line

>best way to be good at conversations is to listen and try to comment on/relate to what she's saying, this shit sounds easy but a surprisingly large amount of people fail this shit by just blabbing on due to nerves, learn to shut up and think before you speak
>be passionate about your hobbies, if you wanna talk for an hour about board games or mountain biking or whatever, just own it, if she doesn't like it then her loss cause you're awesome

>>33404645
>for dating apps, good photos are a must, tons of resources online on how to take good photos or if you really want then pay a professional photographer to take some good ones
>being lean and also looking fit also pays insane dividends on getting hot girls, once you're in decent shape virtually no girl is going to turn you down due to lack of physical attraction but due to other shit like incompatible interests/personalities or you not being assertive enough or maybe you look like her creepy uncle or something
>also be sure to groom yourself well and wear reasonably nice-fitting clothes
>you don't need to 100% all of this shit to get girls but doing that will ensure you hit your absolute peak of woman-attracting ability

>as for indicators of interest, basic ones are hair flips, catching them looking at you (especially if they are also smiling at you and are not someone who you already know), trying to get in close proximity to you, randomly asking you to help them with stuff that they could easily do themselves, etc
>also some girls do this thing where they are walking past you where they are not looking directly at you but it's obvious that they are checking you out with the corner of their vision
>if a girl is repeatedly showing up at the same place you are around the same time, like conveniently being at the gym during the same hours as you for multiple days/weeks on end
>cashier girls having a friendly conversation and then suddenly saying what time she gets off her shift without any prompting
>a girl suddenly becoming very shy and quiet around you when she's normally very open, this is very common if you're an older guy and she's younger

You got this autistbro, happy fucking!

>>33404688
And on a final note, go for girls that you're genuinely excited at the prospect of banging/making your girlfriend/fuckbuddy. If she's a gym bunny with a banging bod that likes hiking or some dopey chick with zero curves that won't shut the fuck up about Persona 5, if she makes your dick hard and your heart sing then go for it. It's your life and when you are approaching the end, you will be glad that you followed your desires and not the opinions of others.

>>33396466 (OP)
How much do women care about their date's job? How many women would date a guy who makes less than them? I have a date tomorrow who wants an "Ambitious" bf aka a guy with a good job but I'm a delivery driver lol... wondering if I should call off the date or message her about it to see if it's a dealbreaker? The advice online is to keep things light and fun though

>>33404795
just say you're a Logistics & Distribution Technician KEK

>>33404795
If what matters is ambition, all you need to show is that you have things cooking in the oven. If that's not enough, then she isn't after ambition. She's after someone that already made it and isn't in it for the ride. There are girls that will struggle to the top with you and stay with you as long as the fire doesn't die out, but if she's not that person, then move on, and if you're not that ambitious guy, then that's okay too. You still deserve someone. Let no one tell you different.

Any advice for a nerdier guy dating in an area dominated by college life and sports? I live north of boston so every girl I meet seems to be the same copy pasted sports loving party college girl. Theres not much around me either for my hobbies aside from a comic shop filled with fat greasy men.

>>33404886
You could always get somewhat into those things, anon. Failing that, a good contrast with your partner is also fine to have, especially if they're super extroverted. They'll definitely bring your energy up.

>>33404645
>>33404688
>>33404711
Thank you for the well thought out and honest replies, these are definitely beneficial to me now to just stop being cowardly and put myself out there

Ever since the covid hoax I stopped interacting with the goyim cattle including women. I just look through them and pretend they don't exist. I don't even greet them or acknowledge their presence. I'm not staring, I'm just looking straight through them as if they weren't there.
My life has significantly improved. I have zero social anxiety now, not that I had much before but now I have zero.

>>33405280
Very cool, anon, but this thread is about getting women. Maybe you should take it to another board. Secondly, goyim is the plural of goy, which makes it ungrammatical to say goyim cattle. I somehow doubt you are Jewish as well, but if you are, then you should know better, and you should avoid calling people goy, because it's rude.

>>33404301
good hair and style can balance out average faces and pass the threshold for attracting women
if your face is below a 5 or a 4 then yea it's truly over

but the lean pill is real. there is so much face gains to be made if you just become lean

>>33396466 (OP)
>Be me, man
>On Hinge (in big city) for 2 days now
>Zero likes, zero matches
Normal or is something wrong with my profile

>>33397743
Women are the victim because they give sex to their partner for free. If you want a woman to feel like she isn't being exploited, pay her for sex.

>>33398503
>I don’t wear graphic t shirts,
>I wear neutral colored clothes that fit me well.
booring. You dress to not draw attention to yourself because you are afraid of other men judging you and hurting you.
The problem with this is it also repels women because they think you are meek and weak.
Men aren't going to attack you so step out of your comfort zone and dress more provocatively.

>>33396466 (OP)
I read the "Why Women Deserve Less" book. Only chapters 7 and maybe 8 were good. The rest of it was meh. I think "Models" and "No More Mr Niceguy" got the idea of masculine self improvement for your own sake across much better.

We're so cooked because we need to reproduce to save the white race, but politicians and technocrats are making relations between the sexes so utterly terrible.
NEVER FORGET WHO DID THIS TO US.

>>33406062
oh brother give me a fucking break. This thread is retarded. You faggots could do this for eternity.
A girl sin't going to like you because you dont wear graphic t shirts or because you wear neutral colored clothes holy FUCK you people are actually retarded. WOMEN DATE LIKE THE MOST SUBHUMAN MEN POSSIBLE, there are BEAUTIFUL men who remain single for years, there's NO RHYME OR REASON to female attraction, you just have to get lucky. STOP TRYING SO HARD.

>>33406354
you should be dressing well and not like a weak faggot regardless but
>you just have to get lucky
is the plain truth.
years of irl approaches gave me no long-term results until recently i caved in and got hinge. only had it for less than a week, sent out a lot of likes, had just 1 single match - and that match is now obsessed with me. it's looking so perfect at the moment that it feels like a straight up joke...until you realize that no, it's just luck.
complicating it to the level of the fucking colour theory of your clothes is definitely insane.

Ngl this feels dystopian and kind of makes me want to delete the apps, knowing anyone could say anything about me and I have no way of knowing or even defending myself

>>33402607
If multiple women that dont know each other are calling you a creep, you need to be real about the cpmmon denominator here instead of saying theyre all wrong.
t.a creep who has never been called a creep

>>33406681
see >>33402607

>>33402116
Oh boy, replies to this post are written by avoidant traumatized children

>>33402116
>bitch
This is the woman you chose, this is the woman you led, trained and guided. Even if you are not aware of sexual polarity. Calling her a bitch reflects your standards and inner world, as well as retroactively devalues what you had. You chose her, you trained her. Now your pain is speaking

>breaks up with me over text
>tells me to go fuck myself and that she doesn't want me in her life anymore
Pay attention. When women leave, they disappear. They dont argue, they dont fight. They vanish into someone else bed

Your hurt ego blinds you. See behind the words, that woman is hurt so she expresses her emotions AT THAT EXACT moment with the magnitude of her own pain. She wants you to feel as she feels. This is how women are wired, its not their choice

>next day she texts me saying she apologize
This is huge. Women almost never apologize. Especially not to the men they dont love. If she wouldnt care, you would be ghosted, blocked for life

>she respects me
For a woman thats a huge step over ego to say this after apology

>doesn't take back what she said
Yes, because its not about her words. Its about what made her feel this way to say it. Something is fucked in your relationship, do you have anger issues? Avoidance? Seems like you are as emotional as she is, reactive

>now she's texting me asking for
She misses you, she wants you, she creates opportunity for you to lead. To seduce, to emotionally regulate her, to have dates and romance. But you are inexperienced yet and your ego is fragile so far

>like nothing happened
She is offering you peace and you are still stuck in fighting. She is acting more manly than you are

>the fuck do I even do
You are not ready to date yet. She already apologized, hinted at bigger flaws and submitted to your lead by offering you guiding her (asking for youtube channel)

Be the king, romance her like its a first date

>>33406593
>go on app
>anytime you see a girl you fancy asking about a guy she likes proceed to talk mad shit about him

They really did not think this through.

>>33402116
Oh and this also is important

>want to walk away as the bigger person
No, its your pain speaking, rationalized

You want to run away not to feel more pain

But if you run away now, you will remain clueless, emotionally unstable boy, recreating this with the next woman. And the next. You are at the threshold of change, and you are to afraid to face whats behind it

Bigger person faces the fear of rejection, faces pain, emotions of other and of himself. Standing in the storm tall and making decisions with clear head

Its easier to vilify the woman, see her as the damaged one and escape into the next loop recreating it all over

But this woman is actually a mirror of you as a man. At the beginning she was sweet, right? Cute, melting for you, bubbly, available and following? Easy? Warm?

The woman is the same. What changed is you choosing her as a romantic follower, and leading both of you here in this moment with your words, actions, choices, beliefs

I dare you to make an experiment here. Full reset. Have one date with her as if its the first date. Its a new woman. No grudge, no passive aggressiveness from you, zero reactivity. Not a word about past, future or relationship. Eat the ice cream, talk about ducks in the park an how much you love the autumn when its yellow and the wind smells like apple cider. Present moment, fun and lightness. Seduce her like its the first time

Observe how, despite resistances and hesitation, she will slowly bloom from ice into a flower you fell in love in the first place

Women are mirrors of you

And afterwards you can decide for yourself if you want to keep her, or have a proper manly relationship with someone else

Instead of being a reactive, clueless, hurt boy you are right now. And I say it with brutal honesty that you need

>>33401575
She agreed to a second date

>haven't had sex in almost 2 weeks
>7/10 tinder match is asking me to come over
>just can't get myself to feel sexually attracted to her
>8/10 wants to get dinner with no guarantee of sex
>other tinder matches are at varying degrees of ghosting or just plain not attractive enough to warrant my attention despite seeming down to hook up

I'm in a slump with no way out bros, should I just keep hoping for a more attractive tinder match or try hitting up old fuckbuddies?

>>33407232
Fuck the 7/10 so you can be clearheaded with the 8/10. Same as you get to Carnegie Hal: practice, boy, practice.

>>33407232
oh boo hoo two weeks without sex. What a faggot.

How can I get rid off my filter so I can just speak my mind when talking to women? I sometimes take too long to respond to a question or to form cohesive speech. I think it's partially rooted in anxiety + social ineptness but I'm curious how I can overcome this and what strategies you may implore

>>33407376
Consciously force yourself to do that.

this aspie bitch that talks to me sometimes really annoys me, she was crying about Cobert getting cancelled and I told her it's not because of some grand conspiracy it's because he sucks now and nobody watches his show, I kinda like her in a weird way yet I've never been more annoyed or disgusted by a woman before

>>33407376
>How can I get rid off my filter so I can just speak my mind when talking to women? I sometimes take too long to respond to a question or to form cohesive speech. I think it's partially rooted in anxiety + social ineptness but I'm curious how I can overcome this and what strategies you may implore

just play it off as being a clueless stoner bro, girls think that aloofness is cute

>>33407400
Congratulations, you're no longer being blinded by the pussy. You can now live life as a free-thinking, rational man with substantially lower risk of having your day fucked up by some badly-behaved foid

>>33407417
yeah man, I'm probably the oldest poster on here but several months ago someone in my friend group blabbed to this chick I had a crush on that I really like her (mutual friend) and she lit my ass up for not being upfront with her about this, we're still friends but now I am distant, it was the most humiliating thing I ever went through but also liberating like something changed inside of me that I swore to myself that I would never let this happen ever again

>>33407433
>I'm probably the oldest poster on here
Not saying you're not but I'm in my mid-30s, dude. And I'm not even really an "oldfag," I've only been here since 2012.

>>33407439
>>33407433
I'm also 34, and I've been here since 2008. We're not old, dudes.

>>33407404
>girls think that aloofness is cute
Believe me, they don't. They think I'm slow (even tho I have an engineering degree and a job that pays 3x more what they make) or they think I'm not "speaking my mind" and I'm "carefully crafting a response to agree with what they're saying". It's total bullshit

>>33396466 (OP)
>pic
I find this phenotype kinda ugly, but women look so pretty when they smile like that. also, she looks like she has nice tits.

>>33406704
>>33406763
Uh yeah, captivating and all but I just settled for blocking her. She's not worth all that effort. She even broke up with me using the exact words her ex told her when he was fed up with her. She's still not over him.

She's pretty, but I saw red flags written all over the moment I met her. I ignored them because she was really fucking pretty, but she's not worth the headache.

>>33407453
It's funny you bring that up, because nothing has made me feel more old then trying to get back into dating in my 30s after a relationship so long it was practically a marriage (we were engaged towards the end)
Women under 30 basically don't even consider me an option anymore for some reason. I'd like to know where all these daddy issue women looking for older men are, because I haven't found a fucking one

>>33406354
Dressing in a neutral way is a red flag for women because it makes them think you are hiding something and probably hate women or are an incel because they got nothing else to go by. It's like dressing in camouflage - they're only going to think negative things about you because that is their default view of men.
If you wear a shirt with the name of a band you like, or a picture of your favorite animal, then they have something to latch on to and think about.

>>33407607
The key to getting women under 30 as a guy over 30 is not to look like an old man. Or if you do, look like one of those well put together older gentlemen in tuxedos and not a fat slob with a neckbeard. After that you can pull younger girls of all types, not necessarily ones with daddy issues. So basically
>lose weight if fat
>get jacked and strong if weak
>get one of those fashionable haircuts
>behave chill and like a youthful guy
Also worth noting that on dating apps a lot of younger girls will set their hard limit at 30 even if they'd be totally down to bang with a dude older than that in other cases. I've fucked three different girls who all did that and I was more than a decade older than two of them.

>text her less
>she's triple texting me now
winning?

>>33407607
I'm in the same boat, anon. I was married until I was 27, all through my 20s with my hs gf. I felt more old toward the end of that marriage than I do now, and I'm going to back to school in the fall, so I'll be surrounded by plenty of younger women. I'll be fine, and so will you.

I'm 22 and about to finish school, its soooo over for me, dating apps are trash and real life is impossible. I'm dying alone and a virgin.

>>33408543
>behave chill and like a youthful guy
Well then I'm fucked, I'm a business owner in a highly competitive field and the day I "chill" is the day my employees and I stop eating.
At this point, the only option I feel like I have is to just keep grinding until I can afford sugar babies, and if I ever want kids just knock one up.

gf has a male (semi) best friend. dude has a gf himself and i’ve met him, he is very different from me in terms of looks and personality. my gf has autism and the most authentic person ive dated. i have no doubts about her loyalty, even more so after seeing them interact

i wasn’t too bothered by this until a friend said he would never put up with it. i consider myself to be secure and confident, how big of a deal would this be to you?

>>33406482
Ghostmaxxers create history. Ghostmaxxers are history. Throughout the ages, it is ghostmaxxing men that drive the tide of fate. This ghostmaxxed comment that I am typing now will reach dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands of people.
The ones at the top are ghosts. They are human beings hiding behind countless need-to-know clearances and nobody knows who they even are.

You were built in the image of the creator, and what that means is that you too were gifted with the power of the Holy GHOST, by birthright. The power of the Holy Ghost lies in adventure. Though waging or taking neetbux from governments and shitposting is easier, GHOSTMAXXING is the greatest power in this universe. It trumps all. So use your power that was given to you and fulfill your destiny.

If you do nothing, you and everyone you love will slowly die, or worse they will become literal NPC's caught in the jewish panopticon.
IF you take action, this can be prevented.
The more time you spend playing video games, shitposting here or watching kike films instead of taking action, the more time this evil has to spread.

It's time to exit the digital jew panopticon and leave behind your old life stranded in the chain of time, so take action anon.

>>33401646
>dont u have mums or sisters or some positive femenine figure in ur lives?
My mother is an emotionally unstable BPD bitch and my sister is a whore addicted to drugs and you wonder why i hate women

>>33407232
>>haven't had sex in almost 2 weeks

lol try 30 years

>>33401638
Fuck me. Several girls sat down near me this summer to show interest but I chickened out on all except one. Got a date with her but she rejected me during the date. I've always sucked at approaching girls that show interest or to start talking to girls who sit down near me to show interest.

>>33410102
All the girls who were interested in me lost interest later because I was too autistic.

>>33407232
>>8/10 wants to get dinner with no guarantee of sex
...why not? whats the problem?

>>33409468
This would be a huge deal to me.

ESPECIALLY because she is autistic. That means she can be persuaded. EVEN IF you are 100% confident she can’t - she may even be herself - but she can. She doesn’t have the ability to control herself sometimes. And that’s fine. That’s just how women are.

I was in your position my friend. She said he was just a friend. She’d never have anything with him. I believed her and for a long time it was fine. It was true. But one day we had a huge argument. Guess who she went with that day for comfort. Guess who she formed an emotional connection with because her boyfriend said it was okay to spend time with him. Guess who she made out with. Lesson learned.

So even though you may be fine with it. This is the time to be a man and set a boundry. Your woman should never have a male best friend. At least not one who’s straight. Heed my warning. Or learn the lesson I did.

>>33409468
Nah, bro. You don't have to confront her directly, but there should be a rule that if you're going to see this friend, you have to be there as well as his girl. No one-on-one or stupid shit like that. If she can't do that, then the solution is obviously that she only hangs out with you. That's a recipe for cheating. Trust me on this.

>>33407462
Completely eliminate pause words (uhm, ahh, like, etc). Speak deliberately and concisely. Don’t stare at them blankly, look off and away, dart your eyes about a bit, slight furrow of the brow. Demonstrate through physical expression that there are wheels turning and it’s not just dial up modem sounds in between your ears. Give yourself a 6 second time limit for this. When you do respond, stare right into their eyes with laser like focus and say what you have to say with conviction. Don’t blink or waiver if they don’t like your response.

Sounds retarded but as a fellow engineer it’s worked for me.

>>33409351
Not saying completely relax and stop caring but maybe stop acting too uptight and serious all the time. I had a boss who was in his late 40s and dude ran a pretty demanding business but was still very cool and was more than happy to shoot the shit with us younger lads during downtime.

I barely use Snapchat and I have a burner Insta account with no followers and no name. I have yet to ask a girl out, but if I ask a woman out and she wants to trade socials what should I do? I ideally would meet a woman who isn't into social media but just in case what would you guys recommend? Just say I don't have Insta and ask for phone?

>>33410650
Add your friends so you dont have a blank account mate

>>33410729
I don't have many

Are practice gfs really that bad? Obviously it's hard enough to gain enough confidence to approach, so it would be easier if she was someone I had zero attraction to. Much less pressure.