Thread 33476096

I am a 23 yo medical student and I've never been in a relationship. I have no way of meeting women for the next like 8 years of my life. I don't know what to do, it's so over. Please give me advice.
I'm not fat, not short, not ugly, I have hobbies. I just have no way of being in the social circles of other young women.
>inb4 date your peers
this is a recipe for disaster.

>>33476096 (OP)
>I have no way of meeting women for the next like 8 years of my life.
>I have hobbies.

Do people not read their own threads?

>>33476102
My hobbies do not involve being around young women, unfortunately.
Young women do not like classical music

>>33476105
What are your hobbies.

>Young women do not like classical music
What a bold and retarded generalisation, I hope you're joking.

>>33476096 (OP)
It's over for all zoomers. Just stop caring about women

>>33476105
Listening to music is more of a a pastime. Not a hobby. But hey, semantics. Find a hobby that requires going out and doing things. Also: why do you need a girlfriend right now? You're clearly not self confident and happy within yourself. If you were, you wouldn't need one and the right woman could come whenever and just join you on your ride. That's how women are supposed to join your life. Not be the center of your world.

You should work on your self development. Because if you can't be happy and content alone, you definitely shouldn't be using a woman to "make" yourself feel that way. Attaching your mental state to an inherently unstable entity with emotions that blow with the wind. That's why you should only involve a women when you're solid by yourself, that way her ebbs and flows don't affect your ship.

>>33476096 (OP)
incels becoming doctors, it is over.

>>33476149
Never heard of asians?

>>33476153
Asians make up 60% of the worlds population, they're doing more fucking than anyone else retard.

>>33476158
Never heard of (east) asians, smartass?

>>33476108
I have literally never met a young American woman in my entire existence that cares about or appreciates classical music.
I have in Europe but not here.
>>33476115
This is pretty much what I'm getting to but I also don't want to be some cold freak when I'm older and alone for the rest of my life.
>>33476139
Are you retarded?
Do you think I meant LISTENING to classical music is my hobby, or do you think I meant PLAYING classical music is my hobby?
I am happy with myself, and I am confident in myself. I want a girlfriend because I'd like to have kids and a family.

>>33476160
dunno you ever hear of China?

>>33476161
If you actually play classical music as a hobby and you have not met a single woman you might be blind, about 40% of a classical orchestra will be female, that is 4 out 10 people for you considering you might be slow.

>>33476182
I don't play in a fucking orchestra. And most of those females are Asian and I do not want to race mix, or otherwise incompatible.

>>33476182
And the women in orchestras are not young women theyre at least 25 usually

>>33476096 (OP)
>medical student
>no way of meeting women
Are you fucking kidding me
Just date your peers you dumb asshole, you'll be fine

>>33476161
>Do you think I meant LISTENING to classical music is my hobby, or do you think I meant PLAYING classical music is my hobby?
I literally said listening, so who's the retard, asking a question that was answered before it was written? I'm willing to put your projection of emotional insecurity aside though. You're welcome.
>I am happy with myself, and I am confident in myself.
Sure
>I want a girlfriend because I'd like to have kids and a family.
Ok, but you can do that at any time. We do not have a clock attached to our value as men. Women's value is tied to beauty and fertility, which goes down over time. Our value is tied to our minds which, given good health, stays with us until we die. We could literally become a millionaire in the last 10 years of our life if we had the drive to. Women cannot do anything to increase their value once their fertility is basically gone by 30.

Said another way: the quality of woman you'll get is so much higher after your schooling than now. Right now you don't have shit. You probably don't even know how to navigate past putting the woman at the center of your life or the "happy wife happy life" bullshit. It's probably not even in you to tell a bitch no at all. You at 30 though...you could still pull a 21 year old if you keep your fitness and have some style and charisma. But, unlike now, you'd have the wisdom to actually shape her and help her become the best version of herself for her and you both because you've done the same already.

I honestly don't think you should settle down with any girl at the moment or do anything more than the casual thing. Good men with a masculine mindset and resources are more rare than hot chicks. You'll be a much hotter commodity in a few years than you are now. And an even higher quality of woman will be available to you at that time.

>>33476197
>>33476203
Right so you're basically retarded.

>>33476226
>>33476161
I forgot to mention: as males, we don't even truly become "men" until our 30s. And the peak of our prime is our 40s. This is another reason why women generally prefer older men, though maturity can offset that. Their prime peaks at 21. And they better make a good decision. Fast. We can take our time. And as long as we're charismatic and are content within ourselves (fitness definitely doesn't hurt) you can be 40 and still pull that fine piece of 21yo ass.

>>33476225
I'm absolutely under no circumstance going to date my peers. That is a recipe for disaster. I can not let a colleague into my interior life. Medical institutions have Title IX policies and all sorts of stuff where if she accuses me of anything, not just physical but even private beliefs, it is just so over. That is absolutely not worth the risk.
>>33476226
I hear this a lot but is it actually true? Because in HS people told me just wait until you're in college. In college people told me just wait until you're in medical school. And now people are telling me just wait until I'm 30. I want to have a big family and many kids. The best time to start a family for me would be during residency which is a few years away. Of course, you only marry a women after a few years of courting. So I actually do need to get a GF soon. I haven't had a serious relationship ever, and I haven't been on a date since highschool. How does such a man even get back into dating? If I were to find a woman right now, it'd perhaps be her 10th date this year and her 3rd relationship of her life.
I don't want a wife who just wants me for my money and status. I don't want to turn 30 and have these 30 yo women all of a sudden attracted to me because I have a good career and money. I'd rather be alone than have that. And then the alternative is to just date a younger woman when I'm that age like you said, but how realistic is that, and how stable is that?
>>33476230
What's your point? Go play in an orchestra? Do you think I have the time to do that?
>>33476233
OK but I want to have kids and I want to be alive for my kids

>>33476096 (OP)
>I am in a weird alternate universe where no women go to university or medical school and all med students are sealed into male-only dormitories and never allowed to leave.
>Medical school in this alternate dimension is every day all year and we are never allowed to leave, ever.
My advice is to leave this hellish alternate reality and go to med school on Earth.

>>33476239
>Do you think I have the time to do that?
And you want to have a family, that literally takes all of your free time?
man I'd hate to have a mentally retarded doctor like you.

>>33476239
>I'm absolutely under no circumstance going to date my peers. That is a recipe for disaster. I can not let a colleague into my interior life. That is absolutely not worth the risk.
You sound like a coward. And a coward is the least attractive kind of person there is

>>33476239
>I hear this a lot but is it actually true? Because in HS people told me just wait until you're in college. In college people told me just wait until you're in medical school. And now people are telling me just wait until I'm 30.
It is very true. No offense, but you're literally not a man yet. I myself didn't even mentally view myself as a "man" until 31. Up until that point I saw myself as a guy, dude, or bro, etc. I'm literally more attractive than I was 10 years ago, it's kinda crazy to be honest.
> I want to have a big family and many kids. The best time to start a family for me would be during residency which is a few years away.
The best time to start children is based on the *woman's* age. You want a lot of children, right? You realize pregnancy is basically geriatric in their late 20s early 30s right? Especially if they've never had any before. Additionally you don't want a woman over 24-25. By that time, they're set in their ways and what you see is what you get. You want the ability to shape and direct her to best suit you. That's not gonna happen after 25 but is natural before that point. Say you're 31 and you get with a 21 year old. Will you have any less children than you would if you tried to speedrun this and start when you and your counterpart are both 27? You'll be able to afford more children by simply waiting a bit
>Of course, you only marry a women after a few years of courting. So I actually do need to get a GF soon.
You don't have the same time constraints as a woman. Hers are biological. Yours are mental.
>I haven't had a serious relationship ever, and I haven't been on a date since highschool.
And you think you're equipped to handle a marriage? See the following point from here: >>33476226
>Right now you don't have shit. You probably don't even know how to navigate past putting the woman at the center of your life or the "happy wife happy life" bullshit. It's probably not even in you to tell a bitch no at all

>>33476239
>>33476289
Continued
Respectfully: you have no idea how to handle a woman. So if anything, you need to do the casual thing, to learn about them than aiming straight for marriage. You're, again respectfully, naive. Women dominate social interactions by nature as they don't have in built strength to back themselves up. So manipulation it is. Not a bad thing, just how it is. You...are going to get run over and taken advantage of. You're going to give in to her every whim, make her the center of your life and actually "try to make her happy" and wonder why you're only getting sex on birthdays and anniversaries..if that. No. You've got some self development to work on first bro. Again, i'm not trying to be mean. But these fake timelines you're making aren't helping you at all. Maybe if you had experience it would be different. But you don't. So no. Stop. Take a breather.
>I don't want a wife who just wants me for my money and status.
If you knew how to vet women, this wouldn't be a problem, regardless of age.
> I don't want to turn 30 and have these 30 yo women all of a sudden attracted to me because I have a good career and money.
Bro. Who cares if they're attracted to you? YOU get to pick. You can't do anything useful with a 30yo anyway. You'd still be aiming at 20-23.
>And then the alternative is to just date a younger woman when I'm that age like you said, but how realistic is that, and how stable is that?
More stable than a 30 year old. See, this is another reason you shouldn't rush into this. You don't know how to vet women, lol. Dating exists for a woman to prove to YOU that she's worth your time, not the other way around. A 31 yo you with a 21 year old that you've vetted, is way more stable because you can still shape the type of woman she is, given she's not promiscuous. She'll more readily follow your leadership and guideance and do the things you have the wisdom to instruct her on. 30yo woman? Hell no.

>>33476239
>OK but I want to have kids and I want to be alive for my kids
Bro. As a medical student and future doctor: if you can't be healthy and live into your 80s and 90s, you're massively fucking up. This shouldn't even be on your mind. At all.

>>33476096 (OP)
>I am a 23 yo medical student and I've never been in a relationship. I have no way of meeting women for the next like 8 years of my life. I don't know what to do

Bwahahahahaha! This proves my theory that most doctors are brainless memorizers: they are great at memorizing tons of shit in order to pass their exams. That's it! I can hardly wait until AI algorithms these parasites out of their sinecured status as white coated priests! This subhuman moron has literally never heard of nurses or, heaven forbid, the many female subhumans that are also doing medical memorizing alongside him.

>>33476096 (OP)
Are there no women in your med school?
Are there no nurses in your hospital?

>>33476226
be wary of this though OP, 21 y/os usually want guys around that age or slightly older. I'm 26 I think im entering that last stages where I can get that 20-21 year old. My plan right now is to just date as you go, build with that woman, If you can't find high quality just improve till you do.

>>33476096 (OP)
Whatever you do, I would not advise you fuck hookers (pay for it)
t. have paid for sex and it did not help with my girl troubles

>>33476096 (OP)
You’ll have your choice of used up shore at 25 so if sugggest finding a cutie wucik. find the hottest girl and name drop med school you’ll be fine.

t. 35 y.o doc

>>33477793
You not a doctor bruh.
Doctor deez nuts bruh.
Why does it hurt when I pee?

>>33476243
Read the thread. I refuse to date anyone in my program, I'm not interested in being with another doctor and also it's a recipe for disaster, if she says something I said in private to my program I can get in trouble. Not worth the risk.
>>33476248
Lots of my peers manage to have families. None of us have time to participate in an orchestra. That's like a full time job.
>>33476287
I'm right
>>33476289
>And you think you're equipped to handle a marriage?
So what should I do then? Just never date?
I want to date to marry, I never said I'm looking to marry someone right now I said I want to date right now, with the intent to eventually marry.
>>33476324
I don't want to play that game though, that is humiliating. In the ideal world I'd have an arranged marriage. I don't want to do any of these BS games, I don't want to have to make an Instagram or a Snapchat and text stupid stuff like we're in middle school. It's all just so fake and I want zero part of that. I want a woman who will just live at my home, sleep in my bed, do something entertaining like be able to knit or sing or play music or dance, do my laundry, cook, and have kids with me.
In return she will get financial security, a beautiful home, and kids.
I'm not even in a place to "vet women" because I am seeing no women outside of school (except when I run into them in public).
>>33476544
I'm preclinical so I don't see nurses and do I really want to marry another medical professional?
>>33476688
see above
and read the thread.
>>33477793
its so over

>>33476096 (OP)
>>33476239
Here's my incel life plan. Use it as inspiration if you wish.
>get money from your career, you're making progress on this already so just keep going
>find a woman with good genetics to donate eggs to you
>find a woman to carry a couple of kids for you
>for the above two you can choose a suitable female friend, pay for it through an IVF clinic depending on your jurisdiction, or make a deal with some lesbians to donate sperm to them in exchange
>through IVF legislation, get kids who are legally yours and yours only
>never make the mistake of having a woman in your life who has legal power over you
>if you really need sex, fuck hookers or Asian girls or something but don't commit
>move to Poland when financially set to buy an affordable house and escape white replacement
>raise your family as you like in a place with a future

>>33477808
>So what should I do then? Just never date?
No I'm not saying not date. I'm saying be casual. Learn the ropes. Get over your irrational fear of dating from the literal easiest resource you have available.
>I'm afraid of what I might say in private
That cuts both ways. Why are you assuming everyone is out to get you? Literally *any* evil bitch with a vindictive streak can fuck you over by telling your program things you said. So dating outside that pool does fuck all, dude.
>I want to date to marry, I never said I'm looking to marry someone right now I said I want to date right now, with the intent to eventually marry.
You need to stop thinking about marriage entirely because you don't have a time limit. It's like you're going out of your way to not recognize that. Date for the sake of learning how to deal with women and if she happens to be a good choice, so be it. You've really got to relax a bit. I'm not understanding why you're so uptight here.
>In the ideal world I'd have an arranged marriage.
Stop wasting time on useless hypotheticals. But I'll indulge. One of my closest friends is in an arranged marriage. He actually slayed a decent amount of pussy in college because he was a masculine dude. But in the arranged marriage...the wife terrorizes him, screams at him, over-spends on the credit cards...she's just out of control. Why? Because he thought he should treat his wife differently than the women he dealt with in college. He bends over backwards to "make her happy" an do whatever she wants. He bought into the "happy wife happy life" bullshit. He treats her like a goddess....and she punishes him for it because women absolutely hate that, despite saying that's exactly what they want. I'm pretty sure his wife isn't even putting out. I say all that to say an arranged marriage means fuck all if you don't know how to deal with women. A woman is a woman is a woman. How YOU carry yourself determines how SHE acts. Arranged or not.

>>33476233
>the peak of our prime is our 40s
*laughs fatly and baldly*

>>33478147
>Laughs fatly and baldly
It's your prime if you fucking take care of yourself and don't have Krispy Kreme donuts for dinner you fucking burger.

>>33476239
>Because in HS people told me just wait until you're in college. In college people told me just wait until you're in medical school. And now people are telling me just wait until I'm 30.
and you should have listened to none of them, start dating as a 16 year old like any normal human being.

>I don't want to turn 30 and have these 30 yo women all of a sudden attracted to me because I have a good career and money.
hey don't worry there's plenty of money and careers around, women don't throw themselves at dateless 30 year olds.

>>33477808
>I don't want to do any of these BS games, I don't want to have to make an Instagram or a Snapchat and text stupid stuff like we're in middle school. It's all just so fake and I want zero part of that.
This is why you don't wait until you're 45 years old before you start to eventually think about going on your very first date.

Dating is a social behavior for grown up adults, not just teenagers. You don't need to dance on tik tok you can just text a girl via her phone number or even call her if you want to be a hopeless romantic 23 year old gen x boomer who sends people phone calls in current year

>In return she will get financial security, a beautiful home, and kids.
is she not allowed to have money and a career of her own?

>>33478153
yeah whoops I must have eaten my own hair and it wasn't just another cruel act of god to slowly but surely send my hairline to heaven

Maybe I'll just spend 40 thousand dollars that I don't have on hair plugs

>>33477808
>>33478118
Continued
>I don't want to do any of these BS games, I don't want to have to make an Instagram or a Snapchat and text stupid stuff like we're in middle school. It's all just so fake and I want zero part of that.
Brother I've got bad news for you then. Courting itself is a game, lol. Now do you have to play the social media game? No. The woman you want isn't really on social media like that, so you're good. But you're absolutely intent on NOT taking advantage of the easiest resource pool for reasons as arbitrary and stubborn as this fake ass timeline when good men like you literally *increase* in value over time, not decrease. I'm not saying do this, but could literally have kids at 50 and still see grandchildren at 80. For the last time: forget the fucking compressed timeline.

Courting is a game of chess. It's just strategy. You don't want to play stupid social games? Great! But you don't want to learn how to fucking vet women so you don't have to, lol.
>I'm not even in a place to "vet women" because I am seeing no women outside of school (except when I run into them in public).
Then nigger, what is the fucking point of the thread? You rightly want a high value, feminine housewife but are dead set on doing absolutely zero to prepare yourself for being the type of man a feminine housewife would want. Brother. She has to be turned on by you. Have you thought about that? She has to want to listen to you. She has to look at you and go: "fuck, I did a really good job." And you've got to know how to make her feel that way.
> I want a woman who will just live at my home, sleep in my bed, do something entertaining like be able to knit or sing or play music or dance, do my laundry, cook, and have kids with me.
You've described a robot with no emotions. Zero maintenance. You want to buy her obedience like a prostitute without earning it because you've effectively said learning this takes too much time. Grow up.

>>33478176
Yeah, because bald men can't get laid. /s. I was speaking about the fat part dude. That's on you. You could be a fit bald man if you truly wanted to. But that requires effort. Boo hoo.

>>33478185
>good men like you literally *increase* in value over time
please stop feeding him this terrible lie that a 60 year old man is more attractive than a disgusting 25 year old woman and that men get better as they age.

it's not like OP is even close to old anyways, he's in his early 20s - but supporting and reinforcing this maladaptive idea in his head that he'll become a chad for no apparent reason as he gets older will result in him forever remaining alone because he'll think that he shouldn't have to date women. Somehow women just fall from the sky on your lap when you're a 50 year old man who owns a car or whatever.

Let's not wait until he's 50, 40, or even 30 before he gets those first awkward dates out of his system. Even if men peak when they're 75 years old.

>>33478190
I exercise everyday haven't eaten processed food or drank soda in absolutely fuckin forever, I quit drinking years and years ago as well and it's not even like I'm obsese or a great big fat guy anything. I'm just middle-aged fat. and middle-aged bald. At least my skin isn't bad.

Men don't peak at 65 or whatever, there are virtually no dominant athletes in any field at 40 years of age that's retirement age for them.

>>33478118
I cant' even be casual because I get 0 likes on dating apps and I can't approach women since I'm not in their social circles. I'm convinced that, for whatever reason, women simply are not attracted to me.
>Literally *any* evil bitch with a vindictive streak can fuck you over by telling your program things you said.
That's a good point. But if I date and then marry them then it'll work out. It would be highly risky for me to date and just make a bunch of women hate me. It does feel like everyone is out to get me in this world
>>33478170
I couldn't because none of them liked me then.
I can't date because women don't like me. I've given girls my phone number before and they just never text me.
>>33478185
I'm plenty prepared, I'm already that type of man. I have no clue why women don't like me. I see women date the dregs of society, and I see myself; a young professional who is in shape, has a decent face, isn't too short, has hobbies and interests, etc., and I am left with genuinely no idea why I am single.
Maybe it's because I have no sex appeal. I probably come off like someone's grandfather or professor more than an object of sexual desire.
>>33478196
I see single men in their 30s and 40s all the time and I don't want to become them, but at this rate, I'm going to.

>>33478196
You've completely misinterpreted what I wrote.
>please stop feeding him this terrible lie that a 60 year old man is more attractive than a disgusting 25 year old woman and that men get better as they age.
I never said that. OP is having an aneurysm because he wants to start having kids by 28. I told him he doesn't have any experience and should be dating casually go gain that experience. I told him that our prime peaks in our 40s and that him that he, in his early 30s with experience under his belt, can still get 21-23 year olds. He's arbitrarily operating like he has a biological clock like women do. The example was just an extreme to show we have way more time to do these things than women do.
>Let's not wait until he's 50, 40, or even 30 before he gets those first awkward dates out of his system. Even if men peak when they're 75 years old.
I've literally told him to date casually but the stubborn fuck doesn't want to date any women in his program because "muhh what if they report things i say in private to the administration". He's also dead set on not doing ANYTHING to learn how to deal with women and exclusively wants to date to marry...something he's not equipped to handle whatsoever.
>I'm just middle-aged fat. and middle-aged bald. At least my skin isn't bad.
And you should still be able to get women with confidence, charisma and skill. They can all be learned. I apologize if I came across negatively towards you.
>Men don't peak at 65 or whatever, there are virtually no dominant athletes in any field at 40 years of age
I said they peak at 40. And you can't use an extreme subset of the top .0001% of men and apply that to everyone. The 40 year old I'm talking about has self confidence, self drive, and has a happy life *outside* women and doesn't need one to be happy. He keeps himself fit and active. He has drive and goals. And that man could beat the average 20 year old's ass in a fight. Males in their 20s are still boys, dude.

>>33478231
tell me how to do it casually. i cant meet women that like me.

>>33478227
>I can't date because women don't like me.
I don't mean to rewind the thread or make you repeat yourself, but do you have any hobbies/lifestyle besides just listening to classical music?

Women as an entire genders all billion of them or whoever many don't dislike you, but if you just come home and sit in an empty apartment until it's bed time and that's your idea of fun then of course not many girls are attracted to that.

>>33478231
>I've literally told him to date casually but the stubborn fuck doesn't want to date any women in his program because "muhh what if they report things i say in private to the administration". He's also dead set on not doing ANYTHING to learn how to deal with women
sounds like we got another howie on our hands

>>33478237
I wish you read the thread and you would see my hobby isnt listening to classical music, but playing classical music, as in I am a musician and I can play musical instruments. I have other hobbies and lifestyles in addition to this, but unfortunately none of them put me around young women.
Also, think about this:
1. Women do degenerate things
2. I am chronically single
Therefore women (as a group) would rather do degenerate things than let me take them on a date.

>>33478244
>but playing classical music, as in I am a musician and I can play musical instruments.
yeah I was about to ask where do you play
>I don't play in a fucking orchestra.
definitely not in an orchestra then
> I have other hobbies and lifestyles in addition to this, but unfortunately none of them put me around young women.
So? Maybe not directly but you'd be surprised at how you can stretch spin certain hobbies around as a way to meet women. Even if there are none within your immediate social circle of whatever hobbies you might have, it's always better than just sitting alone in an empty room waiting for your future wife to walk through the door.

>Also, think about this:
>1. Women do degenerate things
>2. I am chronically single
>Therefore women (as a group) would rather do degenerate things than let me take them on a date.

all women do degenerate things? to spite you personally?

get real bro, you're not the universe's biggest victim.

>>33478243
That is LITERALLY OP.
>>33478227
>I cant even be casual because I get 0 likes on dating apps a
Dating apps are a scam. All women, 1-10 only swipe to accept the top 20%. A fucking 3 who is basically invisible to you IRL will reject you on a dating app. Look into the stats if you want, but it's insane. So that's legitimately your first issue. Women are much more reasonable when you get in front of them.
>I can't approach women since I'm not in their social circles.
Brother. Before the internet you had 2 options. Women in your network and...cold approaching. This is literally the only option you fucking have based on not dating people in your program. Take a deep breath and let that settle in: you're gonna have to cold approach.
>But if I date and then marry them then it'll work out.
You must've never heard of this thing called divorce, lol. Guess what happens to everything you've built in 10 years when she's not feeling it anymore? All because you are too busy to vet. Do you hear yourself?
>I have no clue why women don't like me.
I do. It's this:
>I'm convinced that, for whatever reason, women simply are not attracted to me.
Your world is a reflection of your inner thoughts. Guess what happens when you think this way? You can't see it, but you subconsciously carry yourself in a way that does not inspire confidence. Your word choice and even the way you look at them exudes this. Women are much more socially inclined than men and can read you like a fucking book. Why would *any* woman want to date someone who isn't confident? Do you really want to be looked at like a lost puppy on the side of the road that she pitifully scoops up and takes care of? Nothing you've said makes me think you want to be a little bitch, but you are clearly not as confident as you say you are. Confident men think they're the shit. Confident men work on their style and strive to *be* attractive. They take the time to learn how to speak to women.

>>33478233
I don't know if you're ready for that. To get a woman you have to first put women aside and focus on yourself first. Yeah it's counter intuitive but that's the way. If you want me to go further, take a few moments to think about what I said. Then respond by telling me what you think it means. No wrong answers.

>>33478260
>yeah I was about to ask where do you play
I used to get gigs and I worked at a church for a little bit since starting medschool I do not have the time to do that now so I just play at home.
Wym? I can't spin my hobbies as a way to meet women. I live in modern America, not Vienna or something.
My point was not to say that women do this to spite me personally, just to show how profoundly women do not like me.
>>33478243
Dating within my program is just a terrible awful idea. There's Title IX and all sorts of things and it's just not a good idea.
>>33478261
There are no women in my network except for my peers (which I refuse to date for valid reasons, that is like shitting where you eat). Cold approaching, fine. How do I do that? Tell me how and I'll post here a week from now saying how it went.
>divorce
yeah ik and this is another problem I might just be totally fucked like it is fucking over for America. All this is designed and manufactured so that they can replace us.
I am attractive, I look attractive, I'm confident in myself.
>>33478267
Oh my god this shit again, i've been focused on myself for all of my life and look where its gotten me in this regard.

>>33478267
how do you think I got into medical school? Do you think during undergrad I was focused on women or do you think I was focused on myself? Or even in highschool for that matter?
"Focus on yourself" isn't advice it's just something convenient for boomers to tell young people because they ruined the social fabric of the country and just kick the problem down the road

>>33478274
>Dating within my program is just a terrible awful idea. There's Title IX and all sorts of things and it's just not a good idea.
why are you not also a schizo about fake rape/sexual assault claims in general

>>33478274
>Wym? I can't spin my hobbies as a way to meet women. I live in modern America, not Vienna or something.
what hobbies though, besides playing music to yourself alone

>My point was not to say that women do this to spite me personally, just to show how profoundly women do not like me.

what do slutty women having degenerate fun have to do with women not liking you?

>>33478288
Title IX extends to far more than false rape/sexual assault claims.
>>33478292
I don't want to dox myself
And I already explained it

>>33478274
>Oh my god this shit again, i've been focused on myself for all of my life and look where its gotten me in this regard.
You've been focused on what's been put in front of you to complete. A checklist. You've got a long list of external accomplishments That's great. What have you done to develop *yourself*? What have you done to become the man that the woman you want is actually attracted to? I know you're lacking in this area because:
>I have no clue why women don't like me.
>I'm convinced that, for whatever reason, women simply are not attracted to me.
You're admitting that there are unresolved areas. Who the fuck do you think has to resolve them? You or some woman with a wand shoved up her cunt who waves it and turns you into prince charming?
>how do you think I got into medical school? Do you think during undergrad I was focused on women or do you think I was focused on myself? Or even in highschool for that matter?
You completed a difficult list of tasks that were put before you but which align with who you want to be, sure. In what areas have you developed as a man outside degrees and certificates and KPIs. What is a housewife supposed to see when she looks at you? What do you have that would turn her on? What do you have that would excite her? What do you have that would make her want to have your babies? You can't say money. You can't say degrees. You can't say external accomplishments. Because you already know ugly men, poor men, stupid men, etc all get women. So those things aren't necessary to get one.

>>33478301
I am not seeking to mold myself into what appeals to the modern American woman, because I have no interest in attracting that in the first place. I embody the virtues and spirit of an older (yet more futuristic) order. I have nothing that would excite the modern American woman, but I have everything that would excite a woman who stands against modern decay.

>>33478301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AUjakCGwpM
How many men do you know can play this, or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QjASUQ4_o
or even
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocb9IVLkrkI
These things don't excite modern American women but they will excite the right woman and I have not yet found her and am growing to believe she doesn't exist. I am friends with a lot of older European women (60+) and they all love me. In another life I perhaps would have been with one of them. Very sad!

>>33478297
>I don't want to dox myself
You're not going to dox yourself by posting hobbies

You already told me in which country you live without me or anyone really asking.

Are you into art? Museums? That's classical music-adjacent

>>33478326
Folk dancing

>>33478308
>>33478317
>I refuse to date modern women

okay well thread's closed, problem solved. high fives for everyone.

>>33478334
I mean I want a woman who is like me

>>33478328
it's just you dancing with a bunch of other dudes?

>>33478341
Its with women, but not young women 18-25

>>33478337
but you refuse to date anyone?

>>33478308
>I am not seeking to mold myself into what appeals to the **modern** American woman
I didn't ask you to. Read my question slowly and carefully
> What is a ***housewife*** supposed to see when she looks at you?
Modern women are not housewifes. You aren't looking for them. Let's spoon feed this to you

What is the WOMAN YOU WANT supposed to see when she looks at you? Replace HER in all those questions I asked.
>>33478317
>How many men do you know can play this, or this
Invention #15 is good, but #14 was one of my absolute favorite pieces I learned in 8th grade. This makes me want to get back into piano again. Also, these sound 10x better on a harpsichord.
>These things don't excite modern American women but they will excite the right woman and I have not yet found her and am growing to believe she doesn't exist.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ATTRACT ***THAT*** woman?? Think of HER when you read those questions I asked. Why would I waste my time talking about women you don't even want?

>>33478344
okay so maybe try another hobby if 40 year old folk dancers aren't your cup of tea

like how have you never meeten up with violinists or anyone else from orchestras? It's almost entirely all women

>>33478353
>>33478317
Lol I didn't see that you linked #13. If I got back into piano, this would be the first one I'd learn.

>>33478350
I never said that. I will date a young woman who exists in the present. I said I embody the virtues and spirit of an older (yet futuristic) order. I have nothing that would excite the modern American woman, but I have everything that would excite a woman who stands against modern decay and is seeking something transcendent and ancient but also futuristic.
>>33478353
What have I done to develop myself?
I've worked my body and gotten in shape.
I've learned a foreign language.
I've excelled in my academics.
I've learned new musical instruments, and demanding pieces.
I've constructed a profoundly meaningful vision for the future, the world, and my place in it.
I've traveled to other countries and reconnected with my heritage.
I've worked, and made money.
I can go on.

What is the woman you want to supposed to see when she looks at me? A hyper-traditional, family-centric highly competent visionary and provider.
I agree they all sound better on a harpsichord.
I've done everything I possibly can do to attract that woman, I've put myself out there, I've been in groups, I've performed publicly and often, but I am still invisible, and now I am cloistered in medical school and it seems all hope is gone.
>>33478357
Old folk dancers are my cup of tea I just wish they were younger.
I've literally never met a woman who can play violin who is around my age and has similar heritage.
>>33478361
#13 and #15 are my favorite

>>33478382
>I never said that. I will date a young woman who exists in the present. I said I embody the virtues and spirit of an older (yet futuristic) order. I have nothing that would excite the modern American woman, but I have everything that would excite a woman who stands against modern decay and is seeking something transcendent and ancient but also futuristic.
do you perhaps think you're asking for a bit much
>and has similar heritage.
see? now there's also this new demand in what your future gf/wife has to be.

It sounds like you're just expecting a girl to ask you to be her husband just by playing piano.

>>33478414
I'm asking for no more than what my ancestors had. The old women in my life are nothing but lovely, and I wish young women were actually like them. Old women have nothing but love for me and can do things like knitting and baking and cooking and dancing and painting that young American women just can't.
>similar heritage
It's too much to ask for my GF to be white like me? I was trying not to put it in racial terms since that's against the rules.

I had to comb through the archives to make sure this wasn't some recurring pasta autism like the "I don't flirt with girls unless they give me le signal" poster.

>>33478425
All I've gotten from this thread is to cold approach

>>33478421
>It's too much to ask for my GF to be white like me?
At this point asking anything at all is too much to ask when you're intentionally cockblocking yourself because you want to roleplay as someone from the 1700s and will maybe go on your very first date when you're 50 years old.

>painting
women be painting

again, have you ever been at a fuckin art gallery or museum? the same nonsense as saying that there aren't any women in the world of classical music.

>>33478436
I have literally never seen a woman 18-24 that can paint. Yeah I guess I am too determined to LARP as someone from the 1800s, I have no other choice, not doing so would betray my soul. Young women do not like romantic or transcendental art

>>33478428
your hobbies are shit and your standards are insane, talking about your retro-futuristic hypothetical wife doing nothing but knitting sweaters by a coal stove and doing throat singing or whatever

who are you going to cold approach?

>>33478447
>I have literally never seen a woman 18-24 that can paint.
where the fuck have you even looked you lying liar pants on fire

>>33478454
how are my hobbies shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKfqSJbeAg
how many people do you know that can play that
my standards are perfectly reasonable. whats unreasonable about them?
I have no idea who I'm going to cold approach, no one's told me how to actually do that ITT yet.
>>33478457
I'm not lying. Where would I see that? Where would I meet such a woman?

>>33478463
>Where would I see that? Where would I meet such a woman?
>>33478326
>Are you into art? Museums? That's classical music-adjacent
...

>>33478382
>What have I done to develop myself?
Okay, but who are you? What about you interests the woman you like? I'm trying to figure out how deep this "confidence" of yours goes. I'm trying to figure out why every time I ask a question about women, you assume I'm talking about the modern woman that we already know you don't want. But then you use them to benchmark your attractiveness. You're subconsciously attempting to eat the cake that you're consciously refusing. You're chasing your tail.

Lemme try to relate. I'm a slim quasi nerdy IT professional who played piano until 11th grade. According to 4chan, I should have zero interactions with women. However women put themselves in *my* way to get me to approach them. I think one gigantic factor that differentiates us is: you don't want a modern women but everything you do revolves around their opinion
>Why the fuck were you even on a dating app in the first place.
You want a traditional woman and haven't once thought "where would the woman I want go? Where would I meet a woman like that?" It damn sure isn't a dating app
Whereas for me, modern women are absolutely invisible. The idea that I'm hot as fuck is something I can't even begin to question and I didn't need a woman to tell me to believe it. I have a haircut every other week. I do basic workouts thrice weekly. I'm obsessed with clothing style (not to get women, it's literally just a personal drive). I have a gigantic collection of cologne. I like wearing jewelry. But I'm a nerdy IT guy. I listen to technical and djent metalcore because there's a fuckton of bass and I literally hear classical music when I play it. And yet I get compliments from random women sometimes when I'm out and about. I'm not even extroverted. I'm quiet as fuck and kinda shy sometimes. But I have presence. When I do speak, I'm always heard and taken into consideration. I'd say I'm pretty funny. I think the biggest thing in your way is your mindset.

>>33478468
I live in America in 2025 not Vienna.
There are no art museums. There are no chamber concerts. There are no cafes. There are no taverns.

>>33478463
>whats unreasonable about them?
You expect this hyper-specific woman who has to absolutely be into Czechoslovakian folk dancing or whatever, can't be from where you'll be spending your next 8 years because autism, and she also has to be a sit-at-home wife.

how about you date a normal woman first before falling ass backwards into Mrs Perfect who only exists in your dreams

>>33478471
my nigga do you live on a fuckin farm there's loads of those from the east to the west coast

>>33478469
>everything you do revolves around their opinion
I was on dating apps in the first place because I had hope someone like me might be on there.
Women don't put themselves in my way. And if they did I wouldn't even notice it.
>>33478478
If she's not into Czechoslovakian folk dancing I can make her into it. She can be where I'm from, that's fine. I wish I could go to Europe and find one over there but I can't because of school.
I have literally zero interest in "normal women" - what do you mean by that? Like these girls who get piercings and tattoos and listen to the same music and have Instagram accounts? no thanks
>>33478482
>>33478487
there is no art museum near me

>>33478489
OK NVM i guess there are art museums near me but what am I going to do there, stand around like an idiot talking up women until I get kicked out?

>>33476096 (OP)
>I have no way of meeting women for the next like 8 years of my life. I don't know what to do, it's so over. Please give me advice.

>No, not any women from there

>No, they can't be those kinds of women either

>Those modern women aren't any good either

>Actually she has to be an artisanal craftswoman from Vienna who's classically trained in Romanian step dancing, I refuse to even look at anyone else

I starting to think this fella doesn't actually want advice on how to date women

>>33478492
oh no what if teh art museum put a title XI on you

>>33478499
Literally all I've said is that she must share my heritage and must not be a colleague.
>>33478502
My concern with Title IX is valid

>>33478489
>If she's not into Czechoslovakian folk dancing I can make her into it
yeah I'm sure that your silky smooth charisma will win them over
>Like these girls who get piercings and tattoos and listen to the same music and have Instagram accounts?
Yeah
>no thanks
why not?

>>33478489
>Women don't put themselves in my way.
That's fine
>And if they did I wouldn't even notice it.
How do you expect to find a wife then? It's like you'd rather complain and put up artificial limitations than actually do anything

>>33478503
>Literally all I've said is that she must share my heritage and must not be a colleague.
can't be allowed to have any career or money or ambitions of her own either apparently
>I want a woman who will just live at my home, sleep in my bed, do something entertaining like be able to knit or sing or play music or dance, do my laundry, cook, and have kids with me.
do my laundry lmao what a romantic you are

bitch clean my shorts! lol

>>33478506
I have to make a woman like what I like otherwise it's not going to work. If she can't folk dance with me it's not going to work.
Why not?
I'm just not attracted to women with piercings (besides the ears) and tattoos.
>>33478507
I don't know, I don't know what I'm supposed to do, that's why I made the thread.
>>33478513
I literally never said she can't have a career or money or ambitions.
Are you a woman?

>>33478492
how else are you going to meet your artfag gf

also why aren't you studying music instead of medicine

>>33478513
That's so disingenuous you ignored 90% of that to focus in on laundry.

>>33478515
>I have to make a woman like what I like otherwise it's not going to work. If she can't folk dance with me it's not going to work.
why come woman isn't allowed to like her own things?

>I literally never said she can't have a career or money or ambitions.
well how the fuck is this bitch supposed to work full time and raise your kids while knitting you sweaters and doing the husseldorf dance recitals to please your majesty
>Are you a woman?

>>33478520
oh by all means what was the 90% that I skimmed over? that she has to raise kids and also cook and clean and sing and dance?

>>33478518
Medicine is my calling
>>33478528
Are you purposely misreading me?
In what universe does making a woman like what I like equate to a woman not being allowed to like her own things? How are those mutually exclusive?
I don't know, how did other couples do it? She wouldn't have to work full time, IDK why she'd want to.
>>33478535
That's profound you're just too sick to see it

Imagine OP being in charge of anyone's health, working at a hospital.

I'm amazed this lad is able to even solve the captchas

>>33478538
>making a woman like what I like
why

how are you gonna -make- a woman like what you like?

>I don't know, how did other couples do it?
Have different interests? it's fun, you can enjoy your own thigns on your own time while discovering new things with your partner. Or did you mean working?
>She wouldn't have to work full time, IDK why she'd want to.
Because again she might have dreams and ambitions of her own.

>>33476096 (OP)
>>33478425
there he is
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/32917689/
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31344206/
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31539563/
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31652168/
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31692863/
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/32136369/
https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/32579495/

>>33478382
>I've worked my body and gotten in shape.

I refuse to believe this is a 22/23 year old

>>33478625
how

>>33476096 (OP)
Woman comes in for an appointment, put her under anesthesia, have a sexy time.
What's the problem?

Med school is majority female now

>>33476096 (OP)
Get on social media and start shooting your shot

>>33478628
you look like a 45 year old real estate agent

also you're reposting this thread again and again as a compulsive larp poster aren't you lol those pics probably aren't even yours

>>33477808
>Read the thread
I did, moron.
Med schools are part of things called "Universities".
Not everyone at the University is a med student.
Some of them?
ARE WOMEN!

>>33480303
I think OP abandoned his thread after his posting history was exposed
>>33478613

>>33480303
this actually isnt true, med schools are not always part of things called universities and even when they are theyre often not on the same campus
>>33480316
im still here

>>33480333
>im still here
You've posted this exact same thread over a half dozen times for a couple of years already

explain yourself.

what do you expect us to do

>>33476096 (OP)
i am a 30 year old medical doctor, and I've never been in a relationship either.

You have to ponder whether you really want to do medicine as a JOB, not an academic subject. Medicine is interesting and easy to pass subject, but it's a psychologically demanding, physically demanding and dehumanizing job until you accustom to the system and get your own clinic, which may happen once you're 35. Go to a hospital, spend a day shadowing someone, see if you want that to be your life.

>Date your peers
By 23 all the lifelong couples had been formed already in my case. I cucked myself for oneitis and spent 5 years simping for a girl who ended up marrying the guy. You can only date peers in the first years. The only other chance you will have is dating students/juniors once you're a resident, or maybe having casual sex with the cougar nurses.

I got fed up with the abuse and went back to college. There's 18 year olds all around me, who are clearly immature but are much nicer to be around than emotionally wasted medicine peers. I still haven't found a girlfriend since where I live younger people are very cliqueish.

>>33476324
What fantasy land do you live in that 30yo men are consistently impressing and attracting 20yo women?
Your talk points reek of manosphere theoretical bs that has no actual basis in real life
A 20yo woman is not gonna be easier to impress than an older one, it's the opposite. 20yo girls want to have fun and party around because they think they're the shit. By and large they're not gonna want to get tied up to what they see as a practically middle aged man.
It's only when they start approaching 30 that they go "oh shit better lock one down quick before it's too late" and even then they're still picky because social media keeps telling them they're all kweens and to never settle

>>33480724
>What fantasy land do you live in that 30yo men are consistently impressing and attracting 20yo women?
The average 30 year old is a lazy bum. A man with self confidence, goals that don't revolve around a woman, and the drive to achieve them while keeping fit can definitely pull a younger woman. He's not a 13 year old in a 30yo body like most.
>Your talk points reek of manosphere theoretical bs
And your points reek of a male who hasn't done shit. I'm literally 33 and have access to younger women. I know men 20 years older than me consistently pulling women in their 20s and 30s.
>20yo girls want to have fun and party around because they think they're the shit.
Women aren't clones who all think the same way. You're just hurling theory that works on paper but completely falls apart when practically applied. I.e. you haven't actually done shit.

TL;DR Go outside for once. All women aren't the same. And it's on the man to figure that out and act accordingly.

>>33476233
You are delusional.
Comparing men and women's age peak is meaningless.
The scale is completely different. My mom is in her 70's and she still brags about men approaching her when she dresses up.

>>33476096 (OP)
There are more female medical students than male these days. What's the problem?

>>33476239
>I don't want a wife who just wants me for my money and status. I don't want to turn 30 and have these 30 yo women all of a sudden attracted to me because I have a good career and money.
Then why are you trying to become a doctor, retard?
Please don't say "to help people" because we both know it's not.

>>33476239
>I don't want a wife who just wants me for my money and status. I don't want to turn 30 and have these 30 yo women all of a sudden attracted to me because I have a good career and money.
>>33477808
>In return she will get financial security, a beautiful home, and kids.
Wait so which is it, these directly contradict.
What if she's not interested in your "beautiful home" and the financial security you're offering (as you claim to not want her to want you for earlier)? Why would she want to be with you and bear your children then?

>>33481742
You're an absolute dunce if you think a woman in her 70s is at her prime / peak value. Kys. Women's value is based on beauty and fertility. These peak for a woman at 21. And even a below average 21 year old is going to be much prettier and more valuable than your gilf cocksleeve of a mom.

>>33481841
>>33481742
Below average being 4/10.

>>33481841
>>33481848
>>33481742
And another thing. Getting someone's dick hard is very different from getting that man to commit and want to marry you. Stop thinking like a naive woman. Your mom is hot enough to be a cumdumpster. Not get them to marry her and take care of her.