Thread 33510332

Many of us think of love as a strong emotion, a feeling we have for another person. Take a wholly different and life-enriching approach to love. Love is some thing you ”do”, something you give freely from the heart. Learn how to express yourself nakedly and honestly to your partner, friends or family, for no other purpose, then to reveal what’s a live in you in a present moment. Discover what thousands of people around the world already know: a heart – to – heart connection strengthened by joyfully giving and receiving from the heart. Is that love you longing to experience?

>>33510332 (OP)
You're more or less correct, yes. Love is not an emotion, love is a choice. You are correct just worded it more poetically. It also means you are in a small minority of people who actually understand that fundamental truth. At least among people under the age of 60. Usually most people don't figure that shit out until they're ripe and old.

>>33510349
We look at the world around us trough our mind names, labels, judgements authority of knowledge... To see correct picture on the surface of water it has to be totally still like a mirror. So to see truth, one need to cal own mind totally still and then you will see word as it is and not as you personally see it. Yoga do the trick.

Lets talk about love. People say: I love you, I can't live with out you. Truth is, we see other people as a best candidates to satisfy our own need for love.

La verdad el amor no existe es más una sensación simple

>>33510441
El amor no es un sentimiento, es una acción libremente elegida. Si eres tan insensato como para considerarlo una emoción, descubrirás que te abandona una y otra vez hasta que te ciegas y dices: «No existe».

>>33510441
¿Entiendes el amor de una madre? Entonces, ¿qué hace? Observa la vida que hay en ti en el momento presente y te da lo que necesitas.

Entonces, ¿cómo amar? Observa la vida y hazla más maravillosa de lo que es.

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>>33510484
si, por favor habla inglés,
si tu puedo

>>33510332 (OP)
The ideal love life is when your partner is literally your best friend. Where you can tell each other any and everything. You support each other over everyone and everything else. You're comfortable with each other, familiar with each other's bodies, can be yourself around each other, can let your guard down around them, can tell them anything, someone who understands you, who knows how to pick you up when you're down instead of leaving when you have a bad day, someone who makes your bad days better, someone who loves your flaws, someone who builds your confidence, someone who's there for you when no one else is, someone who wants to spend money on you and support you, someone who wants to have a sex with you everyday, someone who puts you first before everything else, that's the kind of love we're longing to experience.

We all know very well how to hate, just see enemy images in our minds and telling stories ...

I want you to know how to love, how to live in peaceful friendship.

Life could be a party of contribution to each others well being, Choose love, I will show you the way

>>33510520
>someone who wants to have a sex with you everyday,
Sex = fuck , recommendation never (accept making kids) because sex or fuck destroys everything that is good. 'La pettite mort' many times makes final mort, death to love end, finish.

My grand percents have never fucked in their entire life. When my grand pa put his hand on the grand mas hand she get redness on her neck ...

I just role my eyes over and think: please get a room I don't want to watch old people fuck...

Truth is they have never ever fucked = have a sex

Relationship last as long as men act from self fullness . Fucking for pleasure to the last sperm drop in balls , relationship ends in 2 - 3 years.
Fucking a lot in the youth cause asexual after 30, 40 - 50 total lust loss.

>>33510520
>someone who puts you first before everything else

Every ones needs can be met by free giving from the heart and with happy enjoyment. That is desirable harmony.

Sacrifice turns in to revenge and you will see the face who hate, instead of love you.

You can just put requirement on your partner. it is not realistic and that is why people divorce

>>33510520
>someone who understands you,
No one understands you, maybe your mom when you was a baby.

You want your partner guess or you tell about your needs? where is more probability to get what you need?

>>33510584
>Sacrifice turns in to revenge and you will see the face who hate, instead of love you.

Sacrifice is a mixed bag. It's actually the highest action of love anyone can make. Think of someone who pays another person's debt, or someone who chooses to take a bullet to save the other person's life. It's the grandest form that love can take.

But it only turns bitter if the sacrifice is done out of obligation and not free choice.

>>33510636
>Think of someone who pays another person's debt,
people do everything in attempt to satisfy their own needs and make choice in life .

Men have a need for his family safety for his kids well being and that need is so strong, that they choose to pay debt in order to see happiness.
Most parents will die to safe their kids and it is look like sacrifyse, but it is not.

take less dramatic deed, the boy that feeds hungry ducks in the park, he dose that in order to satisfy own need to contribute to life and bring joy . It is not like sacrificing bread.

Men's biological function is to protect and provide
and he does it to satisfy his own need for contribution to something that is very important for him.

I have risked my own life to safe some unknown people from the see and I did it and it was most satisfying feeling probably in my entire life, because I did it for myself and because it was storm and very cold water really challenging and difficult satisfaction was even grater.

People feel satisfaction by serving life and contributing to others well being.

How you would feel when crowd screaming and clapping, mother her son I saved, cry of joy ... ?

It is like hopeless moment turn in to miracle

when some one suffer in darkness of own mind and can't find the way out ... even if you give temporary re leave from pain for some one, your own life gets very deep meaning.

>>33510636
>Sacrifice is a mixed bag.
Pure giving

Please do as I requested, only if you can do so with the joy of a little child feeding a hungry ducks in a park. Please do not do as I request if there is any taint of fear of punishment if you don't. Please do not do as I request, if hoping for reword, that I will love you more if you do. Please do not do as I request if you will feel guilty if you don't. Please do not do as I request if you will feel shameful. And certainly do not do as I request out of any sense of duty or obligation. Life is too short to waist, if it isn’t play.

>>33510636
>Sacrifice
If giving is not pure, every time when some one does favor in expanse, against own will and choice. We all pay for it. What goes around comes back amplified.

Men who die for his wife and kids he do it for him self by own choice and will.

But if you make your men loose important football match for your wants, then you will pay for it.

So make sure that no one gives up or gives in, dose selfish or self less... we want share from self fullness.

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Nah I mean it, there is such a thing as pure sacrifice. Where the person freely chooses it, full well knowing there is no repayment, no satisfying feeling, perhaps even death itself to pay. And they do it not out of self-service, but out of pure service for somethig greater than himself. It is to take someone’s suffering from them and to carry it on your shoulders painfully so that they may live. The greatest form of this is to even do this for someone you hate, or someone who hates you, someone you initially think does not deserve a thing. Because then it becomes 100% selfless, the trifecta of love becomes completed: Mercy, long-suffering, redemption.

Go and try that out, in fact just even mention the idea of forgiving or loving the enemy and watch people lose their minds. It’s the hardest love to achieve.

>>33511093
>of pure service for somethig greater than himself

Look in real world there is no such a thing as self.
The only reason why I exist it is because we all exist. There is no such a thing as one flower with out a garden. Flower is a part of the garden and people are part of the garden like a flower.

Ego is illusion that you exist separately from everything else.

Ok if you believe that you exist then please show me where is a line between you and not you?

If you can't survive with out "not you" then that is a part of you or you are part of everything.

If sun would be gone it will be same as your heart or guts gone.

People who feel lonely don't realize, that they are not alone, but all one.

The truth is what is and what should be is a fantasy, suggested imagination or a lie told to people long ago.

Kike die on the cross for you and you don't want to sacrifice few coins to professional God lovers? how dear you?

believe = be lie with A lie would die with out believers.

Truth that will sett you free do not require to believe or even imagine.

If God = Love I will pick love that does not require to believe. My mom and dad find each other irresistible and I am created by love, fruit of love .

God is an idea of professional God lovers.

>>33511093
>the idea of forgiving
I never ever forgive any one, because I don't sin and do not judge in the first place.

In order to forgive you have to judge first and that is a sin that cause suffer. enemy images in ones mind and story... 'do not eat fruits from the tree of knowledge about good and evil' (Bible) because if you do, then you start judge and suffer and then need to forgive...

Instead of blaming others for own unsatisfied need I bring in to awareness what life is at the moment and make friendly request - do able action that would serve life.

>>33511200
>Ok if you believe that you exist then please show me where is a line between you and not you?

This is simple. Read this post, read my words. I typed them for you. Your eyes are receiving the symbols on the screen, your eyes are interpreting those symbols as letters, and those letters are being understood as words in your mind. These words in your mind, I intended them to be there. These words came from my mind, they existed in my mind before I had turned them into symbols and letters for your eyes to devour. My mind has made contact with yours through language as the bridge between my world and your world.

This is the line. And you can only control one end of that line. I can only control the other end of the line. We hold it together right now. And this is only possible because there is a ‘me’ and there is a (you).
On your side of reality, you refer to yourself as a ‘me’, and you refer to me as (you) within speech.

This is proof that we are all individuals. Separated from one another, but connected if we choose to be.

>>33511299
I just see two animals with ability to imagine, that share brain farts on a message board.

There is nothing in the world, that you could possibly need or feel, that I wouldn't need and feel too.

We all humans understand face expressions regardless different race culture and language.

I speak several languages and most important is a "language" of life that "speak" all animals and plants. Language just disturb communication.

Mother know what her baby needs with out any language.

Yes we both on line, but in reality there is nothing that separates us at all .

Small fish ask a big fish: I heard about a thing they call it ocean .
Big fish: ocean? is where you are right now
Small fish: this? it just some water around I wanna see ocean

You are not alone, I am here with you, tho we are apart you are always in my heart.

You have eyes and I do and it just two different points of view . We have different brain farts - thoughts, but we like a flowers from the same garden can't be with out it because it is all one sup of life.

OK lets go deeper, Imagine you have a glove on your hand and every finger have different colors, but we are same hand.

You are not that monkey body that you are sitting in, you are the one who drives it so as me,

When you will be in a place of peace love and compassion and I will be in that place, we will became one. Everything around me and you change,, places, plants, animals grow ,people get older ... but as observer from the day you born and until you die., you are same as me. I am you and you are me, it is a same hand in a glove we dived temporary in this world with a mission, that you forgot and I don't . I look at you like at my own numb finger.

Humanity are like millions of taste receptors on the tongue , but it is a same tongue. I am you .

If one of us die, it would be like you cut your nails or hair part that went off. There is no physical "line" between me and everything else. there is no separation.

>>33511468
I get what you’re saying, you are saying that we are all parts of a whole. But you and I are not the whole. You and I are just parts of that whole. You are a finger, I am a finger. We are not the hand. Therefore, we are not one. We are part of something together, but not one. Not yet anyway. That’s where God comes in. Hand of God.

>>33510332 (OP)
Yeah, people don't like me expressing myself. I am a person who everyone agrees needs to keep a lid on their true self. I have so much love to give, but the world keeps telling me to keep that shit inside.

>>33511493
Truth is one for every one and it is observe able. So in observation there is people

You, me or me and we and so on are just imaginary concept in our minds. We made that up. Like if one point at he garden and another argue, that one is pointing at the particular flower. But flower and garden are just a names that we made up and created illusion of separation.

>>33511590
I guess, that people don't like the way you expressing yourself.
Even if you telling how you feel and what it is that you need, that is honest observation with out judgment, you have to make request tell what you want other people to do about it , other ways they can feel burden, suspect that you blaming them for your own needs and feelings ...

To talk is like a painting music with words on a sheet of silence. People who are good at that have a lot of practice.

I wonder what you use to express? What life is in you or how you judge life? Or how you judge other people?

Greetings before talk are for to finger out, if it is good time to talk at all. So we ask each other, if day is good. Good day. then give empathy to the being in the moment, reflect what they say to make sure that we understood one correctly, the way one meant and not how we interpreted.
It is not always right time to talk, people have different moods. You have to see, if there is right connection first. If a person not ready to listen, then your talk to one, could sound like a barking of the dog. So first you need establish mutual connection before you express yourself. It has to be two way street for information exchange.

https://youtu.be/7s0-isQYG6s

It can be difficult to not be able to connect with other people, we all have a need to be understood by others and that require listening.
Just because one open his mouth it doesn't mean that others immediately start listen with full attention. there is different things going on in other people. One that has need express him self usually are not good listener. With out listening there is no awareness of situation and talking do not match present moment, cause disharmony irritation. So as better you listen as better you understand situation in order to express yourself in a harmony.

Imagine you want to share joy and happiness with a person that just lost his family member.

>>33512543
Good points and all, but it is not that. In 30 years of life people have always refused to allow me to express myself without pushback or mockery. I have been married for a decade and even my wifr doesn't want to hear me. I am destined to stfu when it comes to expressing myself, my internal life, and my love.

>>33510332 (OP)
Love is expressed when you'd die for someone and women are trained to think only men should die for women and not the other way around so I've given up.

>>33513539
Women shouldn't die for the men though. Women should live for the man in the event he dies, to continue his memory and to raise any children he might have had with her (ensuring his genetics get passed down into generations). Women have their part to play and we have ours.

>>33513553
Yes but women should still want to die for her husband even though the man will ultimately veto it and take the hit first. I'm supposed to forgive women's emotions when they act completely hedonist but when it comes to something from them they suddenly become pragmatic.

>>33513553
>>33513539
Spend some time talking to women. It is exceedingly rare to encounter a woman that believes a woman should ever sacrifice anything for a man, in any situation, ever at all. Noticing this has sadly led me to the conclusion that vanishingly few women are capable of love.

>>33513594
>Yes but women should still want to die for her husband even though the man will ultimately veto it and take the hit first.

So what you want is redundant then. What's the point of the woman wanting to die for the man only for the man to veto it? The only time a woman should die for something is for her children. And every time you demand a woman to give you that type of love you are signalling you want her to be your mother. You can't be a husband to a wife like that. It don't make sense. I understand the comfort in wanting that, how cozy that would be, ur I don't make the rules of life, just saying how it is.

>>33513601
>It is exceedingly rare to encounter a woman that believes a woman should ever sacrifice anything for a man
What you do is impregnate the woman, thoroughly and completely. You start a family. Then she will desire and crave to sacrifice for the family, which in part includes you. In the dating phase the woman will not want to sacrifice anything for the man. Because she will only do that once security has been established. And the man can establish this by building the family.

true love is an illusion because everyone becomes secular to express that love
would you fathom them sharing your most depraved memories?
your most vulnerable pain?
if not then you're not going anywhere as twinflames
twinflame love is so rare that it's more than one in a million