Thread 33565989

I posted a bit back about how i found out my girlfriend was deeply involved with Amway


>goes to conferences all the time
>spends time on conference calls when i visit (we are long distance)
>tried to recruit my friends without telling me
>tries to make time for her mentors even during times like Thanksgiving and our anniversary


Recently when I asked what she was up to over the weekend, she said she was "hanging with a friend". I found out from a mutual friend that her mentors were visiting her and they were running a big amway event out of her apartment. I confronted her about lying to me


>she says she hides it from me because im too "negative" about her business
>i bring up that 99% dont make money in MLMs, she says her mentors know the correct way to do it
>she says her 30 year old mentor couple is ready to retire and is helping her just to be nice (!!!!!!)
>she goes to them for financial advice, life advice, etc
>she feels rejected by me becuase im critical of her "business"
>wishes i would do it because shes in it for our relationship and our kids if we have them


What the fuck do i do now? I want nothing to do with Amway but she wont compromise, not even skipping a call for our anniversary. I love her so so so much and she says she needs me but i just dont know what to do anymore. It feels like im competing with her mentors for influence.

appeal to authority by searching "mlm" on youtube and handing her the device?

>>33566024
She claims that shes already looked at all of that stuff, but her mentors are the 1% of people who know how to make it work so none of that applies.

OP, sometimes people need to learn lessons the hard way. You probably have learned some lessons in life the hard way, too.

Does she make any money with that crap? Probably not.
Tell her you'll give it the benefit of the doubt but in a couple years, remind her that she's wasting her time with crap that has eaten hours a day of her life for 2 years and never given her any reward for it

>>33566079
I dont want to wait around for that though. Its financial and social suicide, I can't marry her when shes deep in this stuff. I feel like I have to walk away but its just so hard to when we've been dating for so long

>>33566112
Are you willing to have a stay-at-home wife?
Bullshit like Amway basically got started back in the day because stay-at-home boomer women needed something to do to try to convince themselves that they're productive and making some money, but the reason their husbands tolerated it is because, well, they loved their wives and supported their ideas even though those ideas were dumb. Are you willing to keep this girl as a stay-at-home wife? That's basically what she's planning to be if she thinks this is her future career

>>33565989 (OP)
Well, look at the facts instead of reacting based on your feelings.
Does she make any money of it? Has she made any profits? And losses? Do results speak for themselves and she actually lives better now when she's involved with Amway?

>>33565989 (OP)
Do you really love her, or are you just attracted by lust? Are you truly attracted to a retard that is easily manipulated into one of the oldest scams of the modern day? If I were you, I'd find a new gf

you should have her watch the episode of Teen Titans Go warning children about pyramid schemes

>>33565989 (OP)
One of two things happens to MLM people

1. They lose their shirts and come to their senses. This usually happens within a year or two. It can be embarrassing and expensive, but it is usually not fatal. Your job is to try and resist saying "I told you so" too often.

2. They are in the tiny minority who actually make money. In that case you combine amazement with feeling good for them, and find other things to fret about. The only downside here is their smugness.

>>33566406
She makes nothing from it right now. She's convinced her mentors will help her make it work. S
>>33566483
She isnt an idiot, shes working on her PhD in a very prestigious field. She's just naive
>>33567226
She's already been in for around 2 years and is still a full believer. I asked what she would do if the business didnt work out, and she said that she'd go back to her mentors and find a different way.

>>33565989 (OP)
It's a cult, and like all cults what they do is they prey on and target people with shit/absent parent(s), they play on the void the recruit has and pretend to be a parental figure 'mentor' so that they can force a trauma bond so the recruit stays loyal, that's why she is blindly following them and won't listen to you because she will always listen to them first before you. The more you try to force her to leave the more the cult will counter your influence by pretending to empower her (feeling forced to confront mistakes feels BAD and being validated for mistakes feels GOOD) and so they will make her addicted to feeling good about ruining her own life until they pick her clean and she's broke and ruined.
When you go up against a cult you are going up against a cabal of psychopaths OP, they know how to push buttons and puppet people around.
Since she's only a girlfriend I think you should just dump her and walk away. If you don't want to give up then you gotta think like a psycho and outperform them and manipulate her out of manipulation, that means start doing the opposite strategy start encouraging her and pretend to support her cult involvement, bite your tongue and listen to everything she has to say and wait until she has a bad day with them and prey on it and then just slip her questions: 'huh why did that happen? Didn't they say X but Y happened and does it mean Z?" And keep doing that until she regains the ability to question shit for herself and sooner or later she'll wake up. But by the time she does, she'll have racked up a lot of damage. Financial or even sexual (don't be surprised if she hasnt been preyed on sexually already)

>>33565989 (OP)
This sounds like a satiric NTR hentai plot.

>>33566112
I think you need to walk away because this isn't just one bad decision, it's a deep character flaw and her willingness to lie and shoot you down when you try reasoning with her, on top of continually being manipulated by scummy salesmen, only points to how stubbornly ignorant and naive she is. Even if she didn't get pulled into this MLM shit and you ended up getting married, it would have been something else and you'd be trapped with it.

>>33565989 (OP)

Amway is toxic as fuck

They manipulate retards into going into debt and selling shampoo out of a bookshelf from their basement to (more)retarded elderly women.

>>33565989 (OP)
Depressingly, there is almost certainly nothing you can do about this. As I said the last time you asked, human beings in general cannot have their minds changed by logic. If you present someone with evidence that something they believe is wrong, they not only dismiss the evidence, but the process actually *strengthens* their belief. The best you can do in this situation is just be there for her and hope that she will eventually make it through this on her own.

>>33565989 (OP)
Get back at her and join the cult of Scientology. That'll show her.

PS, there's a reason that it's called SCAMWAY! Tattoo that shit on her forehead and walk out.

Food for thought: If SCAMWAY products were so fucking good, why don't you ever see them in the normal stores?

>>33569147
But shes convinced that her version of it is just "different" from every horror story. Neither she or her mentors would ever actually explain what it is that they do.
>>33569190
Thanks for replying to me twice, anon. I tried to present her evidence, but she just shot me down. I still love her so much but I dont think I can follow her down this path.
>>33570015
I need to walkout but its just so hard. I dont know if ill ever meet a girl who makes me feel the way she did

>>33570749
Well bro, then it's ultimatum time. Breakups hurt, I just went through one. Took 7 months of really depressing times. Like withdrawal symptoms and broken heart dopamine decoupling. It's awful. Like a death. But it will last as long as you let it. But 6-7 months of pain of losing someone who is already lost to a MLM pyramid scheme and simply won't listen to reason is a worthwhile thing to go through. If you ever married her, right now you'd be on the brink of divorce. Messy, shitty, expensive divorce. So that's positive that you're not having to really be financially screwed over here.

I hope you've brought this up to her in a calm manner though and said, look hun, I'm very concerned here for you, and for us. I'm at the point where I'm going to leave the relationship over this it's that serious. So depending on what you say next will determine my next move. Hun, I love you so much and want you to really think this through. We need to get you out of this and if you won't then I'm going to have to leave you because I'm not going to be able to see you crash and burn from this cult behavior.

I didn't know Amway was a thing. I remember they were really popular 20 to 30 years ago.
Women follow men they respect.
Right now she respects her business partners who are selling her on some stupid MLM scheme more than you.
Doesn't seem like you have anything to offer if she is falling for such a dumb scam.
Either that or she is the kind of woman who is always chasing the latest fad.

>>33571835
She says she still can't do her phd work without me. In the past shes said she doesn't even think she could date anyone else. That's why this is so hard. Amway is a path I absolutely dont want to go down or support but I still love her so much.

Plus, im almost 27, so im worried i dont have enough time to meet anyone else

>>33573119
Tell her it's either you or Amway. I promise your life will get much worse if you stay with her while she's doing this shit.

>>33573812
MISSED OPPORTUNITY MAN!!

>>33565989 (OP)
OP you gotta tell her:

It's either my way or Amway

>>33573119
27 is too late to meet anyone new?

>>33578537
no, my parents met around that age and are still together 30 years later

>>33565989 (OP)
>It feels like im competing with her mentors
you are, and you're losing. Anyway, you can't save somebody who doesn't want to be saved.
whatever happens, ->DON'T get her pregnant.
I'd start looking for another woman.

>>33578537
absolutely not

>>33565989 (OP)
OP stop being a fucking retard. As stupid as she is, you're about to surpass her. Listen to >>33578624 or fuck your own life up. Good luck.

>>33570749
>I tried to present her evidence,
Yeah, that was my point: evidence doesn't help.