Thread 33583742

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33541567

Today is my last day in the wage cage.
I'm 32 just started working out again. Still skinny.
I live with my parents and have loads of savings.
Probably going back to community college.
I feel like now is my only chance to meet a woman who doesn't see me as betabux.
If she's willing to date me as a broke loser (minus my 50k savings I won't flaunt) then she's a keeper.
I've only ever been betabux to women. Not even got a good job really, just slightly above average pay.
I don't know what to do at this point. I'm focusing on getting my life back on track and for real this time.

Has anyone actually noticed a difference in matches quality/quantity when writing something as an opener compared to just sending a like on dating apps?

>>33583808
Yes, you get many more responses if you demonstrate that you did even the bare minimum reading their profile

>>33583808
No. I do a witty response relating to something on their profile almost every time and nobody gives a shit. As long as you’re hot you can open with anything and I’m unfortunately not hot and never was.

>>33583840
>>33583905
I'm with the first anon on this. Sending a simple Hey or Hey what's up is zero effort. Of course, you still have to follow rules 1&2, but thoughtful opener increaes your chances a lot

>>33583808
you'll get the most leverage with high quality pics that tell the story of a guy with an awesome social life

I'm going to focus on studying and earning money, I'll worry about women only later, or women will be a consequence of this. I can't focus on both things

>>33584110
fundamental misunderstanding of women, be careful. those things will make your life easier but women are attracted to a man who sucks the energy out of the room and you can do that at any dollar level

>girl that i had a crush on for years finally admitted that she's entering a relationship
I know I should be happy for her but it still kinda stings. I'd still like to at least be friends with her. Is it just best for me to move on and finally give into dating apps?

>>33584194
>crush
>for years

Did you ask her out even once? This is going to color the rest of my reply

>>33584217
ah fuck here we go
The answer's no and I feel fucking stupid now that you pointed it out. We VC every couple of days on Discord and usually just play vidya with her. She lives on the other side of the country so I doubt we were ever gonna meet IRL, but I still feel like I both fucked up, yet at the same time I felt like I never actually had a chance with her.

It's hard being lonely.

>>33584232
We’ve all been there where we sat around too long without acting on a crush.

But your instincts are correct. Living on opposite ends of the country are going to make even the best of relationships difficult to establish. The problem is you needed to prioritize this thinking and understand that this is probably has good as it’s going to get, and moved on a long time ago.

>>33583742 (OP)
any advice on getting a smart, autistic, coquettish gf to like me?

>>33584597
find where they hang out and dominate the peer group

>>33582117
I would.
I can't do something when I feel its immoral and I don't have the appearance to attract women physically

So how can you hold a conversation if you meet someone on a night out? I'm pretty confident in talking to people but I just wouldn't know what to talk about if there's nothing happening to drum up a conversation

>>33583808
Yes, this is why I slayed on Hinge whereas I didn't exist on Tinder
Personality accounts for something, if you're not going to draw women with your looks you might as well have a good personality

How can I get a black gf? Due to events in the past, they're who I'm most attracted to. But sometimes it seems like they don't like white guys.

>>33585000
By trying to connect topics and having some ready made conversation starters in case that fails. Talk about yourself unprompted, but not all the time obviously. Ask question, thankfully women love talking

how do I tell a girl to brush her teeth more

I've been hooking up with this chick and don't want to move on from her because a) she accepted that we will fuck but not date and b) she's on birth control
but last time we hung out she had something in her teeth and I could see some plaque build up, I guess I had never gotten a good look at her teeth before
I was reluctant to make out with her and stick my tongue into that so we didn't have sex. how do I remind her to brush her teeth next time we hook up?

>approach pretty girl in mall
>We immediately go on a hangout
>try to touch her/hold her hand as a prelim to kissing
>rejected
>ok... time to wrap up
>Hang out with friend (also pretty girl)
>see other girl I was on a date with
>fast forward, they're hanging out all night
>I get pretty girl I met at mall on another date the next day
>still dont feel comfortable escalating, usually its easy tot ell, but she creates distances ever so sllightly, keeps gazes but not for long enough to signal a kiss.. it just doesnt feel right
>friend invites us to dinner she cooked
>nothing happens between us all night
>we get drunk
>ask her to my room, she says no

I feel like I just got a friend for my friend.

what do i even say from here?
doesnt want to date immedietly, and didnt give me any social media

i am so bad at breaking the ice i hate it so much

>>33586424
too friendly and polite, headed for the friend zone. doing way too much talking and asking for very little engagement in return. don't text for a while, then drop a random thought in like 25 hours

>>33586592
>doing way too much talking and asking for very little engagement in return.
not that anon, but what are you supposed to do then? Just give 1 or 2 word responses?

>>33586653
no, more like tug of war, push and pull. sometimes you do more talking, sometimes you let her. the vibe that has worked for me really well is almost like i'm a friendly guy who's trying to get out of the conversation. i'll engage, lightly tease her, but don't mind putting my phone down and leaving the room either

>>33586673
you wouldn’t happen to have any examples would you?

>>33586693
for a lot of guys it's literally just refusing to answer when they give you a low effort response, that's a start. or tease them for it with a playful roleplay, like "if this is how it's going to be on the date, i'm only buying a happy meal" spicy and gets the words flowing

Reposting from previous thread

There's this situation at work with this one girl but I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into it or if she's actually serious:
>catch her staring at me randomly when I'm not looking
>we live relatively close and has shown me exactly where she lives on google maps
>approaches with a big smile on her face
>laughs at a lot of my jokes
>jokingly shouted "you don't know nothin bro!" over some convo we were having and kept getting closer, she laughed and she started to blush
but
>has rolled her eyes at me when I've tried talking to her when she was outside waiting for her ride
>caught her staring at me very angrily once, when questioned she just laughed and said "i didn't say anything"
>texts me but only when we're going to be working together, we work together on wednesdays, she ignored my previous messages for an entire week until it finally hit wednesday and she replied to all of my messages

>>33586424
I would just ask for the date. Don't waste your time. Women LOVE attention and many of them will waste your time for it. They want the attention from a boyfriend without them being responsible for a boyfriend. So I would just tell her you want to take her on a date and ask her when she is free. If she gives you BS or any major delays like "I don't know maybe in two or three weeks down the road." Then just move on and find another girl. However, if she has a good excuse like a close relative died or she's sick that's different. Women who are intersted in you will clear their calendar for you. They will make time for you. Remember, if she gives you BS or makes it hard for you ask yourself this: "Would she do this to Mr. Chad?" If not, then she's probably not intersted in you. Also, don't say "sorry" too much. Apologizing way too much to women especially for things that are not your fault makes you look like a dork.

>>33586763
if it wasn't a work situation i would immediately accuse her of being into me and stalking me and then leave those interactions like I 100% believed it. i think she might think of you as some sort of weird work-husband thing thanks to her weird responses when it's out of work context.

>>33586777
Well I've been acting a little non interested, like the other day she playfully out her hand near my face and looked back at me with a big smile on her face, and I just had a neutral face, I dunno. Hopefully I she doesn't think I don't like her because of that and that's the reason why she's been acting that way.

>>33585713
Got any good conversation starters by any chance?

I’m going to try and get better at approaching women by talking to girls working at cafes
any tips and how can I know if they’re responding positively or negatively? I want to try being more warm and friendly and smile more and talk to them but I need some kind of gauge on how they react

>>33587310
Laughing, smiling, facing your way with body, not being stiff.
If they help keep the conversation going and ask questions back and ask deeper questions into the same topic once you find some common grounds (you should also do this). If you constantly have to think oh shit what do I say now and go by a checklist of questions and topics without much engagement they are not interested, see this guy for example >>33586424. His texting is kinda bad but she didn't really try to make it work either.

I've lost my mojo on the first kiss.
I had a gf I kissed and fucked day one, got dumped, and have proceeded to have around 5 dates where I don't feel comfortable going in for a kiss, or I do and get rejected (they were the mid ones). I got a 3rd date tonight with this girl I haven't kissed yet, we get close and stare into our eyes and flirt but I just can't do it. Shes so cold, my last gf was so warm. She wouldn't hold my hand. I'm thinking of just starting with a kiss attempt to not waste my time.

>>33587450
You got close staring in each other eyes and didn't kiss? I'm surprised you got another date after that lol. Whenever you have doubts like this you should remember that girls are trying to get lucky too, guys forget this way too much because they got brainwashed into thinking girls dont like sex. Do not go for a kiss now when you first meet up that's weird af if you didn't kiss before. Just create another of those staring situation and don't pussy out this time mate. What kind of date? Try for sex too if the kiss goes well.

>>33587412
Any tips to start? And what other topics to try?
Also what did >>33586424 do wrong?? He writes exactly how I might

>>33587450
On this topic is it appropriate to kiss and maybe squeeze her butt on the first date?

>>33587170
>family (especially siblings)
>vacations (especially dream destinations)
>current events (but not political)
>entertainment (especially TV shows, my Achilles heel, since I don't watch TV much)
It's easier with OLD, since you have an entire profile of info to work with
>>33587715
Always go for it, but never in a way that catches her offguard. Don't go immediately for a kiss, play with her hair first. Don't immediately grab her butt, touch her leg first. Start small and work your way further, if she's not stopping you, go for more

I've been dating this girl for a month, she then out of the blue tell me that she can't do this because she has a boyfriend already, then she admits she's actually married with a son. Before this I had two bad experiences with overly manipulative and lying women. Can I just give up? Do I only attract evil people?

>>33587708
Well if you're approaching girls sitting alone in a cafe you can ask if the seat is free and if they mind if you sit down for a bit. Then ask what they're drinking if it's good what they are up to today if they're from the area try to find common ground in hobbies and such and talk more about that. Like I said if she reacts positive the conversation will be easy and she will ask questions back or elaborate herself. Girls like to talk to people they like so let them.

About the other guy the thing he did wrong most is opening like that "how are you immediately into what do you do?" that's literally how those fake account bots talk to you but idk if women deal with those, moreso the 20 other guys in their matches also do the same thing and it gets annoying fast. You should just open up with a comment on something on their profile on dating apps. Other than that it's not really him, he's being a bit too formal and writes way too much compared to her but she just doesn't engage much it feels like he's talking to a wall. If this happens I straight up ask them out, if they are just bad texters but are actually interested they will agree, if they are just using you for attention they will ghost or give excuses without actually suggesting a new time, in that case you saved yourself some time and effort. Move on to the next girl.
>>33587715
>how to get a kiss
If you set the mood right silence is powerful, let's say you have a fun date lots of talk and laughter some arm touches and pushes. Later on in the date you sit on a bench or couch shoulders touching or whatever if you can have quiet moments without awkwardness that is good. You turn to her look at her face she does the same both have a smile you lean in for the kiss there.
Do not go grabbing their butts or of nowhere please that's sexual harassment.

>>33587708
so yeah my intro was pretty generic
id normally complement them on something but the profile was bland as fuck

i shouldnt of asked if they like going on a date straight away or texting, i should of just asked for a date
and when she said no to instagram i could of asked for a number. but if im being honest, i think she does have insta and just didnt want to share it, almost every woman ive known used instagram

she was 6 years older, had a shit job, and was obese, so its not a big loss but ill try better next time
its so mentally draining for me trying to think of shit to say to them though

Ok fellas I have no rizz but finally got a hinge match. I saw shes from X town so I liked one of her pics and said we learnt about the castle there in high school, she liked back with a generic ass "no way that's crazy"

Literally what the hell do I do from here? There's nothing particularly interesting or unique about her profile except maybe a picture after a running race. Thanks anons

>>33583742 (OP)
>actually thought a couple of girls were interested in me
>finally work up the courage to talk to them
>one straight up says no and starts acting aloof after being friendly
>other one who I actively caught staring at me several times turned out to have a boyfriend and in retrospect was pretty obviously just trying to get my attention

I'm not sure why the fuck I actually thought I had a chance, 32 year long dry spell should've told me this is pointless. Guess I should find a specialist in chemical castration and get rid of this demonic drive because it's caused me nothing but pain so far.

>>33583967
>I'm with the first anon on this. Sending a simple Hey or Hey what's up is zero effort. Of course, you still have to follow rules 1&2, but thoughtful opener increaes your chances a lot

No it doesn't, if you look good enough you can get away with the most basic opener possible and if you don't then no thoughtful response will ever get you matches.

So I've been talking to this girl for about 2 weeks and we had our first date in a couple hours. We were going to meet last weekend but she had work so it moved out. We basically set a time date and location and the last message I sent was basically okay I'll see you there last night. This morning a couple hours before the date she "ended the chat". So should I still even show up or is it over? It only like 10 minutes away but I dont feel like putting on the clown shoes for nothing.

>>33587965
No it's over.

>>33587801
I was talking about trying to flirt/chat with the girls working there
The thought of approaching a woman sitting alone terrifies me, I’d just assume she wants to be left alone. Is that wrong?

>>33588049
Yeah I'd say you got it in reverse. You're better off approaching girls sitting there or somewhere outside in a park. You can try and flirt and chat a little bit with girls working until they give you your order but dont hang around talking after. They are working and have to be nice to customers and got stuff to do it's not really a situation where they want to be approached.
Like really step by step here
See if any cute girls look up when you walk in, keep eye contact for a second or 2 and smile, if she givea a smile back go get your order and then walk up to her like in my previous post ask her if the seat is free and if she minds if you sit down (if she smiled back she will say yes 99% of the time). Have a chat and when you finish your drink say you gotta run and asks if she wants to go out another time (or you could even ask her to lunch/dinner right then if the time is appropriate and she has already said she got nothing else to do that day during the conversation). Then ask for phone number and go on with your day text her later that day.

Listen this eye contact + smile combo is how you signal interest, when they look back and smile in return that is them communicating back positive interest and that they want you to approach. It works in pretty much any situation. Even if she rejects you later when you ask for her number or something dont feel too bad about it, take it as a learning experience. The more you talk to girls the better you get with the next one.

>>33588049
>I’d just assume she wants to be left alone
i'll never forget approaching a woman who was receptive and then her telling me that her day had got better when i approached because she was bored. believe in yourself

>spend most of the high school years orbiting some girls in our friend circle
>one day before graduation a classmate who also lives in my neighborhood confesses to me in a text message
>mfw
>fast forward 10 or so years
>am living thousands of kilometers away from my hometown
>get a message from another girl I knew back there that she had a crush on me
>mfw
So, the conclusions I can draw from those situations are:
1. Despite having no success with women since college years (when everyone fucked everything), I'm not as hopeless as I thought.
2. I cannot for the life of me tell when a woman is into me, so I never make a move.
Thus, my request is: can anyone share a book or a video or ANYTHING that would teach me some signs a woman is showing interest, other than the usual "laughs at stupid jokes / makes excuses to touch you / bites her lip / plays with her hair" which literally never happen with real women (or at least did not happen in the cases described above).

>>33583742 (OP)
I met this girl in my bachata class and she was exceptionally nice to me, I'm planning to ask her out on a walk this Monday and I'm pretty sure she's going to say yes.

I didn't mention dating, I hadn't mentioned relationships, I just noticed that she was friendly to me and always coming to talk to me after class so I decided to ask her out

But now I'm wondering, what should I expect on this walk and how can I build a connection with her further than just friendship?

I'm glad we're having the walk, don't get me wrong. But I have never flirted IRL so I'm just taking her out and I have no idea what I'm doing or what we're going to talk about, we're literally just taking a walk.

What advice can you give me bros?
Thank you

>>33583742 (OP)
Every single woman on dating app be like
> MY WHOLE LIFE IS TRAVELING ! I LOVE TRAVELING ! I LOVE TO PARTY !

This is the most boring shit ever. I like traveling too but man i want to settle down sometimes.

>>33588396
I personally think when I see that shit, that they are all signaling that they want a man to take them abroad without them having to pay. It's not necessarily that they like traveling it's that by putting traveling on their profile they can fish for whales or desperate men who will take them to "see the world", and it's just using men. More expensive than a prostitute for the man, and the girl probably expects to be pampered emotionally too

>>33587825
>its so mentally draining for me trying to think of shit to say to them though

It is a ball ache. Especially when they don't ask questions. If you both manage to find something you can relate about, then it all runs smoothly.

I've just matched with a girl who likes R&B and we started a convo from there. Mentioned a song that she likes and started telling me she's freaky when that song comes on.

As other anons say, if the woman likes you, she will match the effort. That Hayley girl sounded boring as fuck so I'd have given up.

Serious question here: but what's the point trying to find a girlfriend when there's always going to be a guy who's better-looking, richer, got a bigger cock etc. It just seems like an exhausting waste of time when she's either going to be unsatisfied and make your life hell, or just jump onto the next best guy as soon as she gets the chance.

>>33588919
I just enjoy my turn man. I no longer worry about if a bitch is gonna cheat or give other men attention or even follow my lead properly. I just enjoy the time until I get bored enough to just let the relationship end in some way or other. I don't have the patience anymore to train a bitch whose been running wild all her life

>>33583742 (OP)
Been working out bros and I'm seeing hot bitches on the trails I walk. How do I go about chatting them up? Usually I'm sweating buckets and just trying to finish my trek so I wondering how I can not come across as some sweaty dude just looking to smash (which I am honestly)

>>33588951
I wish it was that easy. I don't see the point putting myself out there when I'll always be second best.

Any bro got some thoughts?
>>33589441

>>33588919
I have an even better question.
If you're not looking for someone who's going to disprove all the redpill stuff, what's the point?
Inb4 le you are ebin never going to find that who cares lol
I just want an autistic, slightly motherly gf. if she was born male its a plus

What do I do if a girl looks at me like this? I've missed out on several opportunities because I didn't know what to do.

How to deal when both sisters or BFF like you?

>>33583742 (OP)
When a woman checks out of the relationship it's gg on the spot, right? There's no amount of effort, money, or saying the right thing to fix it, right? The sadness and whatever else is formality.

>>33590162
It's usually it's your go ahead to make out with her.

>>33583742 (OP)
Man, I've had nothing but bad experiences with women
I remember at my old job, there was this girl that I liked and she was always asking me, "where's my sandwich, Anon?", because I would always eat a sandwich at lunch. So one day I decide that I should get a sandwich for her too since she's always asking me where her sandwich is. So I get an extra sandwich and this time she asks me where her sandwich is, so I tell her I have an extra sandwich if she wants one. Then she bursts out laughing at me and tells all my coworkers that I actually got a sandwich for her, then she walks out of the break room laughing and tells the rest of my coworkers

>>33590162
Get away from her, because she just pooped her pants

>>33590469
Correct. Women just do whatever they want and as a man you just have to deal with it. Women are completely immune to being reasoned with, so you can't reason them into anything. They just fly by whatever they feel at a given moment and it is far more difficult to influence that after she has moved on. Few women have a sense of honor or duty as well, so you can't count on that either. Lastly, women believe they should never have to sacrifice for anyone else. This is why lesbian relationships are so volatile and have so much abuse - because women are insufferable narcissists that are allergic to noble traits and just masturbate in self-importance. Without a male partner, there is no party willing to compromise and sacrifice to make things work.

In short, it's joever.

>>33590162
use womangame on her. "what are you THINKING right now"
>>33588919
why try to earn money, there will always be someone richer

WHY THE FUCK ARE WOMEN ALWAYS DOING SHIT

I don't want to do shit. I just want to fuck and live live. Fucking retarded I swear.

>>33591143
1. Because other girls are doing shit, and if they aren't doing shit it means they're losers, and that's the worst thing you can be in the female world.
2. If they don't do anything for too long, they start to overthink, which always ends with them depressed and crying.

>>33588720
>>33587801
>>33587708
>>33586766
>>33586592
update: asked for the date and she said yes
going to some thai place next weekend, thanks bros

>>33587946
How did you "talk" to them exactly? I hope you didn't straight up ask them if they were interested on you.

>>33591313
Bless you dude, I'm glad it helped!
Now help me with mine please!!
>>33588356

>>33591543
No I just did a bit of small talk and then invited them on a date. Just a case of me getting my hopes up.

Kind of brutal that when I was younger I had older guys steal away girls that I liked twice and now that I’m older myself age gaps are basically taboo so I’m screwed.

>>33592106
Good on you man. Thanks for the update.
I'm this guy >>33588356
I guess I'm just gonna ask her, but I'm not as brave as you I'm not going to ask for a date, I'm just going to ask for going out for a walk. I'm much more vanilla like that. Hopefully she can still understand that I'm interested xD I think she knows. She's Dutch, those girls aren't stupid.
But yeah.. Lots of variables.. me hate variables.. just say yes woman

How do you cope with not being attractive
I see guys uglier and fatter than me with women I consider cute and would be very happy dating but just from a perspective of meeting I feel like every woman I approach would instantly not want to talk to me because of my looks

>>33593407
>guys uglier and fatter than me
why doesn't that encourage you? you're thinking about it wrong anyway, women don't think "how good does this guy look" they think "how dominant is this man in the social hierarchy"

>>33593444
Not that anon but it makes me feel worse about myself honestly. Like there’s just something fundamentally wrong with my very being that repulses women. Like God himself has cursed me out of malice

>>33593407
>I see guys uglier and fatter than me with women
>would instantly not want to talk to me because of my looks
And you really don't instantly see the inherent contradiction here?
Seriously, how do you see guys uglier and fatter than you with cute women you'd love to date and then somehow conclude that being too fat and ugly (but less fat and ugly than they are) is somehow what's holding you back?
The cognitive dissonance on display here is fascinating.

>>33593444
>>33593470
It’s more like I see them an imagine they maybe were introduced as friends or knew each other beforehand and he won her over with his personality meanwhile in my case I don’t have anyone that will do that for me so I’m just trying to win over women on a first impression which is hard when I’m not attractive

>>33593479
Anon you shouldn't have to rely on friends "introducing" you to women, that's really not how it works...how many of your friends have YOU introduced a woman to, for a quick example?
If you just mean in the sense of "out with friends in a social situation and because of that you meet and are exposed to more women" then yeah that is 100% true, but it's still up to you to do the talking and win her over. Don't expect your friends to do it for you.
If you're just bemoaning that you don't have friends to begin with than that's another story altogether, although it does track perfectly with what I usually see in these threads. If so, why do you not have friends? Because the same things that lead to having no women also often leads to having no friends, so they're a package deal more often than not.

>>33591139
Women can almost always do better, and they're hardwired to be hypergamous. Ofc just because a guy fucks her doesn't mean he's going to date her, but women aren't smart enough to catch onto that.

out of nowhere, i might go on a walk with a woman next week. if this happens, itll be the third time in the last 6 years that i talk to a woman that isnt my mother. what do i talk about? please give me conversation topics, i literally have zero ideas what to talk about and its my biggest problem

Hey anons, I feel like I need specific advice on what to do next to help actually get my romantic life started with women. The reason I say I need specific advice is because I have a mixed history in dealing with women. My physical appearance has never been very good, even if I don't actually think I'm ugly, I've always just been kind of fat and dirty. Despite that I've definitely had moments in my life where I've had women laughing so hard they look retarded and feeling like I could easily dominate an entire room and anything I said felt like it moved entire conversations and I could say anything I wanted and it would be funny or interesting.

I started getting into ERP and erotic writing and now its gotten to the point where I've had women (yes actual women, they've sent me pics with timestamps and stuff and even video chatted), saying that even though I'm a virgin IRL they bet I fuck extremely well because of intensity/passion and being able to read their moods and tempt parts of them to come out to play instead of just asking if they're interested and giving up.

Is it really as easy as losing weight and getting cleaned up? Will that shift the game completely? Really all I feel I need is the ability to get close enough to women and get that initial "yeah lets play" sort of response from them after I signal I'm interested and I could seal the deal. If I get even a little positive interaction, or even a spicy negative reaction I feel like the game is at least on and I have something to work with.

The reason I don't think it works right now is because I think most women think I look creepy and that I'll drag them in an alley and rape them or something (not in an attractive way)

is this guy legit?

https://www.youtube.com/@CaseyZander

>have to read all of pic related, and completely and wholly absorb the content and integrate it into your personality
>any minor slip up in any social interaction with who you are courting and it's over
>additionally have to read other Robert Greene books such as
>48 Laws of Power
>The Laws of Human Nature
>if you aren't HTN (high tier normie) or above in looks it never began
>all this for a crumb of pussy from a used up whore with tons of emotional baggage that will not commit to you or be loyal to you or respectful of you, and will ultimately end up cheating on you

What's the point exactly?

>>33593824
>https://www.youtube.com/@CaseyZander
his practical advice is high quality but he takes forever to say some very vague stuff

>>33593857
>it's NOT FAIR that I have to be socially competent and look at least halfway presentable to get women!
>I should be able to get women who are way better than what I am myself
These are the twin tenants of every whiny incel and incel-adjacent post like this one. Every time.
If you don't think there's a point anon, then by all means you are free not to bother and do without. But don't also whine about it, you don't get to have it both ways.

>>33587450
>>33587506
Ok, she invited me out tonight but I found out she invited 2 other betas. We hung out, flirted more, she teased me and honestly was rude as fuck. As soon as the betas went to the bathroom I went I'm to try a kiss and she didn't like it, so I left. Deleted her number, cleaned my hands of it. Waste of time. Wish I tried first thing.

>>33585569
They love white dudes homie. Just talk to them and they will immediately give you interest. Race mixing aside yeah if that's how you wanna go it's super easy for a goofy white boy.

We are on a waiting list with women. While she is trying to date us, she is on fuckboi number 3590 and his sense of humor is better than ours. You all, you need to be the top man out of all of those fuckbois she is talking to. You need her to get into the motion of being like:
"Yeah he's just a fuck boi like all the rest." -Throws phone on couch and has fun with you-

You need that to happen. Everything else is superficial. The guy who stands out and understands and listens to her in a way that makes her feel special, always wins.

I had a date with a female. She texted "i had a good time :)" afterwards but subsequently left me on delivered until 3pm the next day. She did respond playfully tho. Should I consider this a red flag and just not respond? Feel like she would only do that if I wasn't her priority or there is some other guy she prefers.

>>33594346
Tell her that you want her to respond quicker, and if she doesnt then move on

>>33594346
You're not a priority to her. Trust me, when a girl absolutely worships you, you will know. Keep the bitch around for now to get experience, but don't get attached. Ghost her ass as soon as you find someone better. This is the how the game is played. I didn't make the rules.

>>33593459
No one cursed you except for your parents if they have shit genes. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. No one is entitled to anything. This is a highly competitive market and you have to get to a level where you are competitive. You need to be the best you can be to get a decent woman. Work on yourself for now. You are in no place to be asking for advice for woman at the moment. Take a year and work your ass off, exercise, diet, social skills, etc. If that happens, you can come back here to ask for advice. This is no place for a whining.

>>33593752
Is this serious or is this bait? You admitted you are fat and dirty. Do you seriously need validation from anons on the internet that this is a problem you need to fix? You've got a lot to learn.

>>33594346
It's not that deep dude. You went on 1 date so far.

>>33594438
Yeah but I have had girls who texted me before I even got home from the date. So I know how girls behave if they're interested.

All the girls I actually like seem to have no interest in me. Maybe it's karma for me ghosting two girls after sex earlier this year. Perhaps I'll just return to monk mode

gf of 3 months is on a 2 week vacation with her sister. she checked in with me and replies fast, but how often should i be messaging her? kinda want to give her space to enjoy and avoid being needy. feeling a little insecure but i can recognize it happening i guess

>>33594449
Like once or twice a day, more but only if she's the one to initiate

>>33588307
>Thus, my request is: can anyone share a book
check recommended books >>33593857

>>33586763
You're being vague with your intentions so she pulls away every now and then because she doesn't want to go through the humiliation of liking someone and them not liking you back.

>>33585882
Hahahahahaha all the men here spend their time coming up with elaborate schemes to get pussy and looksmaxx meanwhile women can have stank breath and unwashed pussy and get any man they want hahahahahaha

I have extreme emotional volatility, I also have a real anxious love style where I assume a girl is going to ghost/reject me which can trigger intense depression and sometimes leads to self sabotage or substance abuse to cope. Nothing has seemed to help. When my ex broke up with me earlier this year I went on a 3-day bender.

>>33586763
>>has rolled her eyes at me when I've tried talking to her when she was outside waiting for her ride
if a girl is angry/pissed at you for seemingly no reason, there's a good chance it's because she likes you and she's frustrated you won't make a move. Assuming of course you're not autistic and you didn't do some weird shit

>>33583742 (OP)
thoughts on creating a social group or environment where you are the top person or leader and then using that to get pussy? I was thinking someone who owns a streamer house and hangs around. maybe have a girl paid who is wing women and really vouches for you

reaching my mid 30's, I had LTRs throughout my 20's with girls my age and just above, all of them wanted to marry after a year or two of dating, I never really wanted to because I always felt like I could do better and I was working on my career.
Now, I've dated girls 10+ years younger than me, much prettier and interesting to me than those girls I dated and all I want to do is marry them right away. Especially my last gf was literally right out of my dreams. She pulled the same hypergamist shit I pulled. Is this just God tellling me I reap what I sow? She could have just wanted a good time, but I felt like she really loved me so I fell for it.

Pros and Cons of dating younger women? I figure if I had money, it would be pretty easy, but I lost my good job. Thinking of switching career paths or going back to school, but mid 30's is tough. I guess I could get girls in college if I went back easier than in my 20s

>>33596797
pros are they're hotter and will be hotter for longer than women in their 30s. they also have less baggage. cons are some people really seethe about age gap, but who cares about their opinion

>>33596812
Yeah I definitely know that, and they are more open to dating me due to my age as well. All my friends hate on it but I do it anyway. I'm just wondering down the line if the brainwashing is just too deep in our culture, that they'll eventually regret marrying/starting a family with you and "missing out" on their 20s. Even the two girls I dated recently, 18-21 year olds had 1 bf before me were willing to play a bit of a housewife role for a bit, but eventually opted to choose college over me, causing us to part ways.

I guess I should just keep trying, but at some point I'm just going to be too old.

I've got my first date since getting dumped back in may tomorrow morning, going for coffee and a walk. Any last minute date tips?

Im 22. No friends, I work 8 hours night shift 7 days a week, all men. Im hardly around any women. When I go out its just biking for a few hours, and usually. Their arent many people when I go as Its eaiser to speed and ride wild compared to my citie's downtown. Where exactly do I go meet women around my age? Daiting apps give me 0 success.

how many matches do you guys get on dating apps per week or month

on bumble/tinder/hinge for a week and so far got 6 total and 1 date planned
is this good? i only go for fat chicks tho

Can I get a woman who likes me if look like eggman from sonic

>>33597541
Looks don't matter. How you listen, does.

>>33597541
the goose is loose

>>33596797
>I've dated girls 10+ years younger than me
where do you find them? i'm in a similar spot as you, except i only end up dating girls my age and they're all dead inside

>Pros and Cons of dating younger women?
less baggage is the big pro
also anyone who says older women are more mature is a fucking liar

>I guess I could get girls in college if I went back easier than in my 20s
i went back to college just for the hell of it while i was looking for a job in my late 20s
best i could do was a mid-20s chick in a similar position as me
maybe it's just me but zoomers are fucking weird and i can't rule out that part of it had to do with them perceiving me as old

>ask her out
>she responds with
>"I don't know"
>"We'll see"
That's not exactly a rejection is it? She hasn't blocked me and still responds to my texts in a timely manner. "We'll see" means she is expecting more from us in the future no? Not necessarily a romantic future but still. Should I keep playing ball in the off chance something happens? I can't help but really like her.

>>33598043
If she really liked you, how do you think she would've responded?

I think she's just being polite.

Better to just rip the bandaid off. No point hanging around for someone who doesn't want to meet you where you're at

>>33598043
Male
I was in this position several times, and It's a soft no. She doesn't want it but she also doesn't want to say no because saying no to guys is scary. That being said, depending on how long we've known each other I might pursue her a bit more and then ask her out another time, just to make sure that I did my due diligence. If at that point she's still unsure, then I know for sure that it's a no.

No I just being more flirty which chicks on dating apps?
I try to write nice things but never get a response meanwhile I said something crude to a hot chick and actually got a match until she ghosted me?
Like if she’s posting bikini pics should I just say something about it

>>33598355
i like to mess with her, pretend it didn't come through etc. denies her the validation

>>33590638
retard

>>33598371
Next time I'm just gonna knock a bitch's ass out if she makes fun of me, I don't give a fuck anymore

>>33596797
>I felt like she really loved me so I fell for it.
Many such cases.

>>33583742 (OP)
Is it acceptable if I ask for advice to improve myself and my life before I consider dating officially?

I am not at a point where I can go out looking for companionship, but I'd like to try after I've gotten my shit together more.

Is it cool if I still ask questions here?
I'm in a bad spot in n life but I'm determined to be better.

This weekend i went to a bachelor's party trip, and i had some big ass beautiful grind on me and let me suck on her tits as well

I realized then that i cant deal with this shit anymore. Im paying a hooker to lose my virginity, im done. I wanted to do it correctly, i wanted to do it with love and care, it could have even been a one night stand, no big deal with that since you can feel a connection even just for a night, but i was denied of this. I need to have sex already.

>>33596843
you could go for girls who don't go to college or who hate being in college. the rates of college attendance are going down since people realize how much of a scam it is

>>33598605
You think that's going to change anything?

>>33598732
ive been denied of the pleasure of sex for long enough. I need to slap some ass even if i cum in 5 seconds. I need to feel the touch of a woman and get used to that.

>>33598605
>love and connection
>from a one night stand
Kek, it's always funny to read what virgins think sex is like. Just keep it real with yourself and with us and say you want to get some ass, at least it's honest.

>>33590638
no good deed goes unpunished
central precept. at least learn it

>>33598867
Dude, im an emotional guy. I want to have sex with a woman that likes me back, it is that simple. As a one night stand, i dont mean "me hard, you good ass, lets fuck", i mean more like meet a woman in the night, she stays with me, we talk, we flirt, we end up fucking and maybe i never see her again

>>33598877
>and maybe i never see her again
That means she obviously didn't like you.

>>33589454
Depends on how well do you know each other? Do you talk to her or does she even know you exist? If the former, just add her. If the latter talk to her and ask her for her number and evade the entire social media bs game. In fact that might be better in both cases.

>>33598877
>woman that likes me back
A woman will only like you if you are indifferent, if you start to like her, her level of liking you will drop.

>>33598885
at least she did spend the night with me and not another guy. She could have went with another guy, but she stayed with me. Thats something, and thats enough for me. At least i feel like im worth something.

>>33598891
yeah well, then im fucked. Its not that im very attached to girls i like and bombard them with texts and stuff, its just that im not hot enough to be totally indifferent so the woman still likes me.

>>33598902
>She could have went with another guy, but she stayed with me. Thats something, and thats enough for me.
That's not her "liking" you just because she was willing to fuck you. You have an incredibly juvenile concept of love and sex.
>At least i feel like im worth something.
And as I keep telling you idiots this is supposed to be your default state.
And it is still perfectly possible to feel like you're not worth anything even if you've had sex, had a girl like you or are even currently in a relationship. A one night stand or a gf are not a magic cure-all for this.

Been messaging an international student I recently met. For the first time in probably 3 years I feel like I am texting a girl who actually wants to message me back.
Based on our discussions and learning some of her interests, I invited her to a talk at a museum I'm planning to go on. I think it's a good idea, but at the same time I'm hesitant to spend my time pursuing a girl who's going to leave in December. On one hand, I assume most international student chicks are just here to have fun, but on the other she might be a bit of an Ameriboo based off her major. She's from Eastern Europe. So I'm hesitant to call it a date or anything, just kinda asking her to go do something one-on-one with me to get to know her better, but ready to accept just being friends due to the limited time. Men or women do you think this is a good idea, or should I invite some other people as well?

>>33599048
Good post, dude, now what am i supposed to do?
>just go to the gym bro just be hot bro
>just blackpill yourself bro just kill yourself bro
fuck off man

>>33599049
Are you trolling my guy? Wth is this self sabotaging bullshit?
>>33598877
I dont agree with the other guys. Those short flings can be amazing I've had a couple, however paying a hooker is not gonna give you what you're looking for. Go swipe on apps is what I'd suggest.

Reminder all of that "666" rule bullshit (six foot or taller, high income, handsome, good job, etc), is what women want to SETTLE DOWN with. They are so delulu they think they can do their 30 years a hoe and still get prince charming at the end.
In reality, women let all all kinds of guys smash and dash - ugly guys, short guys, guys with no job, etc. All that matters at the time is that they get pussy tingles, which usually are just face and frame period. I know guys who have triple digit body counts and are under 6'. I'm 6'2" and fit and have only fucked six girls
Above all, remember women are INCREDIBLY STUPID - go watch the whatever podcast or Darius M compilations and see exactly what they admit to.
If you want to just fuck, you have to become duplicitous and basically be a pest (goes without saying you have to have face and frame). Whether or not that's what you want to be, is up to you. Remember Lotharios and troublesome men used to get beaten by mobs and run out of towns in more civilized times

Realistically, what’s wrong with a woman who loves you so much she could fuck other guys but still comes back to you? It’s like her keeping a bunch of sex toys for her own pleasure because there is no way you could satisfy her in that way anyways, but the sex between you two is all about pleasing you sexually. Her cooing and babying you as you weakly and erratically thrust your hips into her vagina, her affirming her love for you, pulling you deeper into herself as you empty your seed in her without even getting close to making her cum. Isn’t it unfair to make the woman you love live in sexual purgatory? What’s wrong with her getting her back blown out every now and then, and being there for her when it’s all said and done, so that you can provide after care to her after being used and abused like a piece of meat? Letting her know that she is truly loved beyond simple sexual gratification, like she loves you.

>>33599774
>what’s wrong with a woman who loves you so much she could fuck other guys but still comes back to you?
If shes not in a relationship with you, it means you are her alpha
If shes in a relationship with you, then you are a cuck

>>33600085
you are a cuck in both circumstances

Alright, today I'm going to give you incels some tough love here so that you'll know you are alright. Are you fucking Stolas? Are you Stolas? A homosexual who gets this fairytale love with a woman but ends up being a flaming homosexual? I mean yeah true you aren't getting love at 18 and it's taking a long ass time, but at least your love is real compared to the superficial love Stolas has. Be glad you are yourself. This fairytale love of having love young and getting this fancy marriage and kids is superficial compared to real love. Stolas got that superficial love and he is fucking gay, you aren't alright? When you get love at 40 your girlfriend whose been with a ton of flaming homos and assholes is gonna look at you as the real man in her life. Alright. At least you aren't Stolas. No homophobia intended.

>>33599657
I was told by other incels that it's the opposite, they get fucked by chads then settle down with the beta providers

I am writing this for any men that are serious about getting dating results. There has to at least be a few of you. So if you want to fuck 7 and 8’s up read on.
If you believe you are too short, ugly, poor, gay, whatever to get a girl then stop reading because you’re too mentally weak and girls will destroy you.
Rule 1: Paradoxically, focusing on women is a really bad strategy for attracting them. I’m assuming you are the common mindset of realizing you don’t have a girl, seeing other men with girls, and believing your life sucks until you get a girl. This is complete fucking garbage, you are going to be actively repelling any decent woman in most cases. Your focus needs to actually be on your “life”, yourself, and feeling good in your own body without NEEDING anything outside of yourself. This is very important for attraction because attraction is based on energy (obviously a hot looking loser is better than a ugly loser but energy ultimately determines which guys are fucking regularly or infrequently). If you FEEL GOOD and don’t need anything from a woman imagine how smooth your interactions with them will be. Now imagine if you NEED a girlfriend how creepy you will be around them because you care what they think so much. So focusing on yourself and your life primarily, and feeling good/grounded in your own body/energy will make you so much more attractive. Plus if you don’t have good social skills which I’m assuming you don’t, you can handle embarrassment and mean reactions much better if you are grounded in yourself. If you are insecure you’re going to be overly examining every reaction from a woman and will be really effected if you think you got rejected (even if you didn’t) and you will want to give up really fast, you’re fucked basically.

>>33600808
Part 2. To actually get the girls it is as easy as walking up to them and saying hi. Many men are so devastated by this scenario that they will date ugly girls from apps instead of doing this (use apps, social media and in person if you’re serious about results). Just walk up and say hi, that’s it. Whatever happens you did great, rinse and repeat this process. It’s actually real easy to attract girls like this. Eventually as you approach more girls something happens where girls pick up on the fact that you are meeting other girls and they start getting really attracted. Basically you start giving off attractive vibes and combine this with practicing feeling good in your own body and you will crush it. Unfortunately many guys give up because they don’t feel good and then “rejections” hurt extra bad. Mentally you got to get to a place where you don’t give a fuck because you don’t need anything and then girls will get wet fast. You will experience crazy moments and will probably get cocky then experience crazy rejections. This is all a mental game. Get your mind right, see things from a healthy perspective (a lot of you guys have fucked up perspectives on women and life), heal your emotions/trauma (if you come here for advice you have to ask yourself why you were not attracting in the first place since it’s supposed to happen naturally). Anyways, go for it and don’t take this all so seriously and make your life hell.

>>33600808
>If you believe you are too short, ugly, poor, gay, whatever to get a girl then stop reading because you’re too mentally weak and girls will destroy you.
what is that supposed to mean? why?

>>33600837
You need to have confidence in yourself. Be happy being alone first before loving a woman.

In fact I'll give you a cheat code first I learned from that, everyday you get to live as the most sophisticated mammal in the world, a human being. You get to eat a variety of food, you have shelter, and you have water. You get to live each day trying to achieve something compared to a rat who only thinks about pantry food. Ain't that a blessing? Shouldn't you be glad you are that?

That's the cheat code for you.

>>33600837
I’ll only explain this once because this shit is really obvious to people in the real world but not obvious to people that spend too much time online. If you believe that you can’t attract a girl for ANY reason you are actually just a coward and are being filtered from the dating pool. You are coping very hard. Girls are extremely brutal. If they sense an ounce of beta male energy in you, that you believe you don’t belong with her for whatever reason, she will literally hate you and be disgusted by you. Of course you will interpret this as yourself being right about your situation, and not the fact that you’re giving off weak energy. If you believe you can’t attract a girl, girls are actually the least of your problems because your whole life is going to suck if you will accept limitations so quickly. This is actually a deep emotional and self-image issue you are dealing with. Imagine of Napolean was born today, do you think he would be sitting online worrying about his height? And our society is feeding people’s victim complexes right now to make it worse. You’re a man, don’t be weak. It’s okay to feel weak but a feeling is not a limitation on your whole life. This will most likely fall on deaf ears for many because if you are stuck in the self-pity hole then you can’t comprehend any advice that is meant to help you. I could point to all the short and ugly guys with girls but you will have a million and one excuses about how your situation is different.

>>33600879
>>33600892
So it was just a "be confident, bro" post?
Listen man i know you want to be helpful but this isnt the case in reality. Men can be as confident as they want but women will not be attracted if they dont want to. Happens with money, happens with everything except height.
You can have all the money in the world, but they wont like you anyway because theres always gonna be another one that has money as well but hes tall and hot. You can be as passionate and happy with how you are but theres always gonna be someone else as passionate and happy as you but tall and hot. And women prefer to risk that instead of being with you.
Proof? Me. Im the empirical evidence. I earn good money, im thin, but im short. Im fucked. Everytime i enter a room, i can feel the "you are less" energy, felt by my peers and specially women. Do you think im there telling women i love videogames or saying stupid shit that scares them? no, but theres another one tall that loves videogames and says it and hes fine. I do all the things people tell me and it never works. All because im short and have a short frame. I might be ugly as well because no matter how many matches i get on bumble or tinder i get, or how many times my friends (women too) tell me how im not ugly, i dont attact shit, and i will never attact shit. Its empirical evidence and proven. Im fucked. "just be confident bro", bullshit. I dont decide if i attract women, THEY do. And they decided collectively that i will never good enough, not even for a pity fuck. For 1 girl that maybe finds me cool, theres gonna be 3 other bitches that will convince her im not good enough.

>>33601117
Being nit picky about yourself is not gonna go anywhere.

>>33600808
>>33600819
I am physically attractive and I am so misogynistic that I am not afraid of girls and feel superior to them, I only have two problems, 1) I have no social skills and 2) the fact that I don't have a job and am only studying makes me believe that they won't even pay attention to me because of this

>>33600837
Learn to be a sociopath. That's what girls really want. Do some research on how to reduce estrogen in your body.

>>33601218
Learn to lie. Girls are gullible and like to be lied to. Just make sure your lies are somewhat believable because they might have a smart friend.

>>33595401
You really don't need to do all of that, just make yourself baseline presentable and be a bit funny.

If a girl friendzones you, get to know her friends when you all hang out, eventually one of them will catch feels if you have even a slight personality.

The funny part is one girl did this to me, and after her friend came over a few times we banged and then the original girl got jealous and I banged her too. Both solid 6/10s

>>33600634
"Chad" in most cases is an annoying sex pest who harasses women into sex because he won't take no for an answer and is "*just* attractive enough for the girl to not feel raped, who then gets blocked.

>>33597541
Actually yes. Just be confident and take reasonable care of yourself and a girl will want you.

>>33601247
>Do some research on how to reduce estrogen in your body.
lmao fuck off

>>33601282
I just gave you the best advice anyone will give you in this life. All the over-thinking, the feelings of doubt, the awkwardness and anxiety, comes from estrogen. All men have estrogen in their bodies, some more so than others. Men convert testosterone into estrogen through a process called aromatization.

>>33600634
Sure, every girl wants a chad and maybe chad has fucked her, but it doesn't change the fact that chads are a limited resource that is highly unlikely to fuck the same girl twice unless shes crazy hot. Chads have options.

Your best bet in almost all situation is to always play to your your strengths and downplay your weaknesses.

If your face is weird, try facial hair or different styles. Get a good haircut and dont be afraid to try new things. Keep your hygiene on point and take reasonable risks whenever you can.

>>33601338
Dude, you're a fucking retard. Every food that "increases estrogen" is so minimal its basically a rounding error. It will make zero real world difference even if you're eating onions non stop.

>>33601247
Don't do this. Not worth it. Guy who became a sociopath to get girls here.

>>33601440
>Don't do this. Not worth it.
why

>>33601428
With overconfidence like that, you'll have trouble learning anything and won't listen to good advice, but you should have no problem getting a girl.

>>33601407
>Your best bet in almost all situation is to always play to your your strengths and downplay your weaknesses.
>Your best best is to assume a roastie that got pumped by Chad
KYS

Love will only be about the chemistry you have between two people and never will be about anything else. How does a wall handle not being able to chemically effect a floor, it just be. Likewise just be. Be until you spark that chemical reaction with a woman and if not at least you exist still.

>>33601639
>best best
KYS ESL. And all women are whores so yes, they have most likely gotten pumped and dumped by chad at some point you delusional pajeet.

>>33593526
read casey zander's stuff, it's all about using hypergamy to basically act like YOU can always do better so she's always satisfied with you

>>33593479
you're spending your resources wrong. your'e focusing on this "game" "convincing" style when you have to build up a hobby/lifestyle that will naturally have you demonstrating value in front of women. become a DJ, learn a public-facing skill, etc., do something, but this aint it

If I'm physically attractive, but have shit life syndrome (born into a narcissistic and dysfunctional home) and a bit estranged from connection.

Do I still have a chance at a long term relationship? Is it even possible for me to find love despite being weird. I keep falling into short term stints and it hurts so God damn much.

>Be man
>Wants to get gurls
>Has to initiate conversation
>Has to pursue her
>Has to impress her
>Has to spend money for her
>Has to propose to her

Have yall not asked yourselves, why is it that it's the men's job to initiate and provide everything, while women can just sit there and get everything they want?

And why are you beta cucks willingly follow this retarded societal norm like an obedient slave?

Do yall not have any dignity? Are yall really that desperate that you're willing to sacrifice your dignity as a human just to get a bit of breadcrumb thrown by any girls?

>>33602125
The social contract that has existed for most of human history had this balanced by women being obedient to men and being prevented from political participation. Now that all of that has been upended, men really have no reason to uphold their end of the contract. The social conrract is torn asunder and social order is non-existent. A cleansing must needs happen so a return to order can be achieved.

>>33602125
>societal norm

It's not a societal norm you retard, it's basic biology. Almost all sexually dimorphic species have the male as the pursuing party and the female as the pursued. It's not even that hard but you lazy fags think that even doing the bare minimum of making a move on a girl is too much and then wonder why you ain't getting any.

>dignity

You're doomposting on 4chan, you never had any to sacrifice to begin with.

>>33583742 (OP)
How do I get an 18 year old FTM gf/bf? before they start taking testosterone, I want a femboy/tomboy

Incels who disagree with this are retarded. While true a lot of women can give us problems, MOST women are nice and just going about their days like anyone else.

at college. how to find virgin women. dont want to date a whore.

>>33602815
You'd have to be this guy who has a life. What would help it, is if you pay attention to how you are in social situations. You get on her bad side if you expect too much out of her. Virgin women at college, usually tend to be stern librarian types, so if you are wild, she wouldn't want to deal with you. Focus on listening and having intellectual conversations; that is intellectual conversations that are considerate not all about how smart you sound.

>>33591139
I used to think money was the main thing that attracted women, I still think that but,
even if we made all guys millionaires and they had their own houses that wouldn't change anything. Women would have no incentive to go with your "average" rich guy anymore if everyone was rich. They will always want the next best thing that no one else can have and that everyone wants. Nothing will ever be enough for them.

Should I tell the niggress I fucked almost a year ago about how no one has made me cum from a blowjob like she did?
She's already stopped replying to my texts but I want head.
my last girl tried so hard to make me cum when she was on her period, I felt bad for her. She tried to give me a titjob. She had some good sized titties but not big enough for a tit job. Im surprised she tried, she had so much energy

I read “No More Mr Nice Guy” and it’s not really helping. So far it seems the message is “don’t be someone you’re not to please women” but all I really want to be is like a fat lazy bear chilling and relaxing and having sex and a cuddle and a quiet night in with a nice lady every now and then but I don’t think that will help me

The past 3 dates I went on have been kissless. What the fuck.
The latest one
>Meet girl in street, cute, tall, autistic kind of
>Say we should go get food, she agrees
>Afterwards take her to a spot for a kiss
>Hold her hand on the way, she's kinda limp
>Face her, hands going towards her waist, before I even touch she says no

It was the same as my last two. What am I doing wrong? I can barely tell the difference between who will and who won't kiss me. It always feels like a freak accident. Why can't I have any authority over this?
Was she even attracted to me? Do girls just hang out with guys like this without being horny? Its not like I'm buying them food, they get nothing out of it other than a few hours of attention.
Now that I think back on it, I usually go to hold hands face to face and meet eyes. Am I grabbing for the waist too early? Is it even that deep other than no attraction/lack of seduction?

Are dating apps still the meta in current year?
I dont want anything serious due to prolonged inceldom, should I use old or clubs/bars?

>>33583742 (OP)
keep ya hands clean i'd say

>>33602815
Numbers game. Pump and dump if you find out she's a whore

>>33603754
That's how you meet women, yes. I'm not sure people even meet at bars or clubs anymore. You can dance with a chick at the club but the chance of it going somewhere isn't very high. OLD is just convenient, but you have to follow rules 1&2 to some degree and be patient

I have not spoken to a woman in 5 years.
I work as a rural laborer and live on an isolated farm house.
There are literally no women near me, no woman will travel out here, and I cannot leave here because of my work/land.

either I find a girlfriend or gun down my local government center
what do?

>>33603754
Yeah just match talk for 2 screens worth ask them out for drinks go flirt and hook up at the end.

>>33603608
I am a sperg I guess you're american? Seems a bit ritualistic the whole kiss at the end of dates thing? Anyways my meta is just:

0. Be in public
1. Make her sit beside me rather than in front of me
2. Make her laugh, if you vibe she will lean into you and want to be close and comfortable.
3. When the serotonin or whatever it is called gets high enough to make your ears fall off:
4. Place one hand on her shoulder and make her lean into you/slightly infront of you (I tower over women so from here I can do whatever I want)
5. Grab and Hold her hands.
6. Hold her hands while touching/carressing her legs a little with your fingers or whatever i feel like.
7. Just Slowly let things escalate and build up.


Other women literally stare at you when you do this in public. Most people are stale as bread and if you study people with their gfs usually they rarely show that type of affection around here. It makes everyone seethe which is funny.

>>33603754
Its only the meta if you are a chad. Normal guys are much better off meeting girls in person and talking to them. I saw a chubby chud at the gym a few weeks ago talk to a cute girl (she was like a 6.5/10) and he got her number. He was getting high fives from his friends lol

tips for dealing with sluts? I'm pretty shy about sex and intimacy, so I feel more intimidated than I do with 10/10s

How can I use misogyny to my advantage?

>>33602370
>I want to stay being a beta cuck because i have no dignity whatsoever
Ok then. Keep "pursuing" women like a desperate dog. Enjoy letting women stamp all over your worthless body. Enjoy letting women take all your money and leave you as soon as they find you worthless.

>>33604262
Girls often give their numbers because they're afraid or embarrased to say no. After that, they either ghost the guy or block him altogether. Not saying you shouldn't approach women, but just getting a number means nothing.

>>33583808
No, I get the same quality and volume regardless

How do I deal with having a strong preference towards black women? I never match with them on dating apps so I haven't fucked one in a few years. As a nerdy white guy how can I put myself out there and land a black queen?

>>33583742 (OP)
fanfan might be the best looking asian

>>33604726
>getting laid with women that I want whenever I want is being a beta cuck

Enjoy masturbating into Kleenex tissues with teary eyes, faggot. I’ll be here enjoying life.

>>33586424
She looks like a thumb

how to get a young pale white virgin gf without tattoos and piercings, that doesn’t racemix as a tall white man in 30s?

>>33605958
enjoy ur fat tattooed women retard

We're going to a thing together on Friday, but I don't know if it's a date or not. Just gonna play it by ear. I invited her yesterday morning and then we continued messaging back and forth throughout the day until midnight last night. It's the most I've texted a girl in a few years, lol. Do I just let it rest for now?

>>33606496
>he thinks I bang ugly landwhales instead of hotties

Is that what helps you cope?

I signed up for FB dating again, just fucking shoot me.

Confidence in the proper concrete way is the best cure to inceldom.

>>33605958
>>33606836

>>33606836
Masturbating to hot chicks doesn't count, faggot.

>>33605958
>I'm a kissless virgin with no dignity so I pretend to be an "alpha male" on 4chan
If that's what helps you cope, go for it, nigger. I ain't gonna stop you.

>>33605958
Us dorks have dealt with your type for too long and frankly we find you superficial at this point. We kind of just want to go the practical way not hiding homosexuality like people like you. Enjoy your trailer park life with 5 kids and alimony at 100k a month while making 20k a year from all those 1 night stands dickhead.

>>33606951
>>33606959
>>33607037
>coping incels calling others incels
Oh im laffin

Why did this girl in class keep touching my arm

She even has a bf or at least a picture of her with some dude on her phone
She also kind of annoys me

Why isnt this working
I just want to know how they are

>>33607498
Lol'd at Ciara

Im not sure what’s going on but recently I’ve suddenly found myself able to talk to people more? Like starting conversations with people at work and today at the gym I just casually asked some dude if he was using a machine when a month ago I’d never dream of doing that? Why might this occur and how can I keep it going? I almost feel like I might be able to approach women

>>33607498
>Nykiah
Busted up old hag, the fact that you're trying to get with this bitch is nothing short of embarrassing.
>Maddie
Mike Walkowski looking ass body, seriously, just look at that small torso and long alien limbs, it's like God was going to make a bug but changed his mind half way through and didn't bother changing the proportions.
>Ciara
Do I even need to say it...?
>Kiralea
Fat bitch, you can tell by her pose that she thinks she's a 9/10 because all her friends have been hyping her up for years.
>Maricela
Yet another fat bitch, this better be a bait image you found on reddit or something because if it's not, you should rightfully be ashamed.
>Bottom right hand corner (i.e. you)
Boring looking dork

>>33607674
Ciara gets worse somehow, very dire

>>33607689
I like fat bitches okay man
I have eyes I don't need you to overanalyze them
How are you anyway?

>>33607695
assuming you’re not morbidly obese yourself the fact that this absolute cave troll would leave you on read and wouldn’t be tripping over her fat rolls to keep you talking really says a lot about our society

All the good looking women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking (7 and above) women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to

>>33607778
You are not entirely wrong, but have you ever heard about mate poaching?

One of my best adventures was with a young married chick, all I had to do was to "promise me you will never ask me to leave him!" and I did promise

>>33607498
>Hey, how are you
Zero effort, ask them about something based on their profile. The other anon clearly doesn't appreciate chubbies, Kiralea and Maricella are fine enough, would smash

>>33583742 (OP)
Oh yeah, I'm gonna reheat that Tinder oven and message girls I've matched with months ago without getting a reply, shit's gonna we wild dawg

I told myself that I’d stop swiping on fatties for validation and that I would only swipe right on women that I would take on a date without a second thought. I haven’t gotten a match in over a month, using all my free swipes every day
It’s so fucking over I want to wear a mask or live as a hermit in a cave

>>33608276
dating apps are scam

go outside, outside women flirt with me

>>33583742 (OP)
Should I get with my cousin? My parents and family keep pressuring me into doing it but I’m not sure. Shes hot, but again, shes my cousin

>>33597065
bee yourself

Any tips on how to be more physical during a date?
I'm not used to touching people without a good reason, so I'm having real trouble with this. I did manage to touch a girl during a date a few times without getting slapped, but I feel like I'm not doing it well and often enough.
Is there a way to improve? Or should I just keep trying until I get good?

>>33607498
>Hipster platform
>Anon tries flirting with stone cold hipsters
>Me going No shit they won't reply they're emotionless and only want obnoxious trailerpark faggot who I dealt with
Anon try to talk to someone who is open and available. I managed to get a conversation on Zoosk one time, alright? The friendlier and more likely the woman is to opening up, the more she will talk to you. It has nothing to do with aiming low, as you can aim high still, but she has to be willing to be your friend and you do as well.

So how do you fix this? Find a profile that has a fat girl who looks happy and does not look at all selective. Do that while looking good and you will find something.

met a girl in a store, i could tell maybe she was interested in me because she came by me and it was easy to initiate convo
we stuck around in the store for a while talking, she would follow me around a bit, and stuck around, decent eye contact. we go outside the store and start our goodbyes, I shake her hand and dont really let go, kind of just hold onto it. she tells me she had a really nice time talking to me. I moved a little closer but she backed away slightly. she asked for my instagram and said we should meet up. she will be back in 4 days or so but with a cousin. Am i good? I was thinking of kissing her there. ive done kisses within 1-2 hours but never within 10-20 minutes

>>33608764
Like literally anon go after women like Maddie not like Ciara who looks like she'd eat popcorn when a bunch of zombies tear you apart.

Grab em by the poosee

>>33607867
most women don’t have anything on their profiles

>>33583742 (OP)
You don't "get" a girl retard, it's just your turn.

how do i know if there is real interest or if its just flirting just for the sake of attention seeking from women?

any good indicators to look out for to push further?

>>33609419
You're thinking backwards.

Which one is the better opener

I posted on my story in her native language, let's say Spanish, and made a mistake (I'm a beginner) and she corrected it to me with a DM. I answered with "ok thx" and she sent me a long worried sounding message asking me if she made me feel bad or some shit for unnecessarily correcting me and I replied jokingly "obviously, pay it back to me" and now she's asking how she can pay back?

What's the gamer move here?? She's cute. I'm trying to be flirty and fun but idk I'm pretty autistic

>>33609637
Come eat ramen with me this weekend.

>match
>ask her out
>she says yes
>suddenly dont want to anymore and hope she ghosts or unmatches me
>>33609700
Dont forget the emoji

>>33609637
>>33609700
She's actually in a different country (Spanish speaking). I'm trying to prep things so I'll meet her when I move there (soon)

>>33609734
Show me around town when I get there in "month" [emoji]

>>33609529
bump

>>33609802
Clearly the first one.

>>33583742 (OP)
is this Fanfan?

Sometimes, I'm not sure I could ever NOT be afraid to talk to women... Even now, I'm sitting at home alone, if I just start thinking about talking to a woman, my chest gets that anxious sinking feeling...

How can I build myself up to be more assertive/respectable so that I don't get ridiculed or ignored as soon as I talk to women? Not really worried about dating or relationships yet, this is a crucial first step for me

>>33610345
imagine being afraid of women

>>33610540
I literally cannot...

>>33588049
If you sit down, is your first and all-overriding objective
>I WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.
Is it mostly not
>I need to wait for the bus
or
>I feel like sitting for a bit to rest
?

>>33610366
bump

>>33609952
are you a fanfan fan?

>>33611305
Not that anon, overly passive aggressive hipsters would do the first one in the weirdest way possible. To that anon, you've been around too many hipsters, okay? Hipsters have the most fucked up form of language possible. What is up is down and what is down is up and when you go the opposite direction you are going the same direction, but when you go the same direction you go the opposite direction, and when you try to manipulate it you're too trendy and boring. Not worth it with hipsters you are always in opposition. Hell, if you were gay I'd tell you to avoid gay hipsters as they can be jackasses too.

How do you get in the mood to talk to women and engage with them?

I have this issue where I get completely turned off by women. I'll go out and see hot women talking to ugly criminal look dudes, so I get the ick and I'm not in the mood for the whole night. Or I see girls with the face of an early teenager walking around looking for dick and I feel bad for them.

How do you not give a fuck without going fully numb (i.e still have emotion for motivation)?

>>33611672
Take your bullshit detector and throw it in the trash.

>>33611672
Manipulate them and use them as just semen deposits as they are until you find a decent woman.

how do you even date women being depressed? what type of stupid conversation starters do you use if there's nothing on her profile? I am too logical and don't know how to be fun and silly

>>33611771
Like you can laugh at Will Ferral movies during your depression, you can still find love and be funny despite being that. Depression is a weight that causes people to collapse, but that doesn't mean you can still walk strong enough despite the weight. In a way we got to remember what those closest to us wanted when we were going through what we did.

Is Zach retarded

>>33583742 (OP)
There's this lady who works at a bar who I want to date. She's cute in a relatively unconventional way that I can't really put into words. I visit the bar at least once a week to just relax, eat good bar food, and read sci-fi nerd books on my phone.
>lmao she just wants a tip
She hasn't worked the table I sit at yet, so I haven't received the customer service treatment from her. I just want to get to know her without accidentally fucking up my hangout spot or her job.

>ex situationship of 3 weeks texts me after months months of no contact asking me if I live in her city again and if it was me she saw today

Am I interpreting too much? No one would text someone months after breaking off contact without having specific intentions in their mind.
As a matter of fact I do live in her city again, but it wasn't me she saw although I am quite sire we saw eachother on a different occasion

When she wanted to break off contact she said it was because she supposedly met someone

>>33612569
>down to eat some ramen this weekend?
No need to mention who or whta she saw you can talk about that during ramen. Invite over her after for sex.

>>33612655
Too late, we exhanged 3 messages, in my last message I replied in a flirty manner. Now she isnt responding lmao

>join a company with lots of women my age
>too scared/awkward to talk to them
>become infatuated with this one girl
>now suddenly I can talk to everyone except her so easily because I don’t care about them but with her I’m so nervous and awkward it’s like I come across as not wanting to talk to her

Where the fuck can I go tomorrow night as a single guy with no friends in this city I just moved to I’m so fucking lonely I can’t go on like this

>>33612947
Tinder

>>33612896
Never target only one woman.
Never get infatuated unless you're already dating/married.
Almost all (young) women are actually good and would make for a good girlfriend, stop being picky and just chill and have fun.

>>33612947
a bar with regulars (alcoholics)

>>33593989
women dont have to do that

>>33612896
that's the trick actually, it's a good way to get success with all women except her
>>33613170
this

>>33612765
she got what she wanted (ego boost), and now she can discard you again

>>33604212
based PDAfag
>t. PDAfag

>>33583742 (OP)
has anyone here actually gotten women

>>33607849
If she cheats with you, she'll cheat on you. People who are wired to cheat will cheat.

>>33616415
Yeah

Is it true that you need a big pp to have sex with women with large posteriors? Is 7in enough to bang big booty bitches?

>28 low self esteem faggot who’s suddenly become desperate for a relationship
>see a girl at the gym who’s just my type, skinny and cute in a plain way
>try to make eye contact with her
>suddenly filled with doubts
>”she already has a boyfriend, she just wants to be left alone, im gross and ugly and she would be disgusted by me… etc”
how do I conquer this??

>>33617669
Be attractive

Have my time, sons

>>33617669
You are half way there. You hear these voices clearly. Next step is understanding intention behind these voices

Parts of you, your neurological fields, are finding reasons for you not to talk to a woman. All your parts are always on your side, they are there to protect you from something. These certain voices are protecting you from perceived failure

Your nervous system feels safer just giving up before risk, instead of actually risking. Why? Because you didn't show your nervous system enough proof yet of these risks being actually mild

Face your fear. Before your mind spirals into these doubts, count to three and just go. Move. You see a woman – you count to three – and move your legs towards here saying hello

With consistent repetitions your nervous system will gather all the failures and will find out that it imagined outcomes were way worse than the real ones

Count to three, move your legs, say hello

>>33617210
Usually yes, but there are exceptions. As with the first son I replied above, think less and go for what you want more

>>33616440
I would agree with you five years ago, but at the level of where I am right now, turns out you can retrain women into higher standards. Not easy, depends on a certain woman, but possible. Just saying

>>33612947
You are not going to find her at night. She is running in the morning parks, strolling in the midday shopping malls, chilling at the museums on weekends. She is at the dancing classes, doing yoga, maybe pottery. At night she is rarely out, only with girlfriends at some restaurant where you are not ready to approach yet

>>33612896
You are nervous and awards so long as you keep fearing your fears. Count to three, move your legs, talk to her, fail, be chill about failing, shine your sunlight, improve, get your woman, be happy

Resistances, fears and limitations show you clearly where to grow

>>33612569
Woman wanted you. You convince her otherwise by the way you talk and act. Then it didnt work out for her with your competition, you showed yourself more attractive in the silence that followed. She misses you, got curious, got reattracted by your masculine calmness

And now you are overthinking it out of fear of rejection. It doesnt matter what she says, the message behind her words is crystal clear: I missed you, ask me out on a date, be a man. Show me good time, seduce me, penetrate me

Ask her out, treat it as the first date in all regards, because for her it is

>>33612501
Go for what you want. Talk to her, ask her out. If it doesnt work out, it's not going to be weird as long as you are not making it weird. Women are followers of your energy, your mood and your rules

>>33611771
>how do you even date women being depressed?
Address your depression first. Women dont like heavy moods, so you are speed running adding heartbreak into your depression. That's a direct way into disaster

> I am too logical
That's the story you are telling yourself. It's just a story. Being fun, light and humorous is a skill, and you have all the talent to develop this skill in you already

>and don't know how to be fun and silly
Not yet. Fix your depression, get a social circle. Practice having fun. It is as much of a skill as love, especially self love

>>33611672
The problem are not women. The problem is your narrow worldview. You are going to specific places with specific people and you are surprised they share specific traits. Talk to women outside of party places. Women with integrity, wit, humor, seductive allure

You are trying to shop for healthy food at McDonalds, son

>>33610366
Consistent practice. Repetition. Talk to as much new people as possible. See what works, see what doesn't. Not only women, everyone. Service people, old people, neighbors and such

>>33583808
I get nothing regardless
I'm turning wizard next week
HELP

Most of this thread is geared towards hookups, but how does one go about looking for something serious and long term?

Bros a reminder to make sure you limit your fapping and porn consumption. I finally got a GF after years being single and now having to deal with deathgrip syndrome. Cant cum at all during bjs/sex. So now I'm currently doing nofap until my sensitivity returns. GF is supportive about it though, so that's nice.

>>33583742 (OP)
>this is not for hopelessness or demoralization

and yet women refuse to change their toxic ways. why is that?

Should I use antidepressants to kill my libido so that my lust doesn't get in the way of me seducing girls?

>>33583742 (OP)
Cute girl lives on my street that I've seen drive by a few times. I def know she has seen me a bunch of times and has acted shy when she walks by my house if I'm outside. Go to cafe nearby and realize the girl working there is the same girl. While cashing out I told her I recognized her and asked if she lived on my street. We started talking while cashing out about how sometimes she recognizes people and can't remember where from and she turned really red blushing by the end of the convo. The eye contact also felt like there was attraction going on. Someone else wanted to cash out so I asked for her name and gave her mine and said I'll see you around. I'll probably go back soon but not for a few days or even a week.

Is the blushing a good sign like maybe she's attracted to me? Can't tell if she was attracted and blushing or straight up embarrassed.

>>33617732
>Usually yes, but there are exceptions

Yes to which question?

The only place I talk to women at is the gym.
And it already feels risky enough

>>33617768
>You are trying to shop for healthy food at McDonalds, son
The whole dating market is either McDonald's or the garbage bin of a michellin star restaurant

>>33619495
>risky
how

>>33619639
>Get reported as a creep despite not doing anything creepy
>Get rumors spread, get cancelled out of the gym
It's always been a great fear that I have had behind my back ever since I was falsely accused on a Uni campus

>>33619655
>I was falsely accused on a Uni campus
what happened for this to happen?

>>33619658
I simply asked a classmate about an upcoming test.
But God forbid I approach her when it was just me and her in the room and it was early.

>>33619667
kek, your country must be shit

>>33619710
We all live in Amerika, Amerika, ist wunderbar

>>33619667
I hate women so much it's unreal

>>33619782
oh yeah she was a real cunt too.
God bless my father for reaching out to the college deans and threatening a serious lawsuit

>>33619863
Incredibly based. False accusations need to be punished more often. That's the only reason things have gotten so bad.

Serious question, whats a time frame to ask a girl out?

>>33619939
Like 3 days or less.

>>33619945
Are you serious?

>>33619954
Yes. You want to make it clear that you're attracted to her and not interested in just being friends.

>>33619978
Well fuck me there is a cute girl I would like to ask out at the gym but fuck I dont know if I'll see her today
After all I dont keep track of people's schedules

>>33600819
>To actually get the girls it is as easy as walking up to them and saying hi.
That's sexual harassment in 2025, or it might be, you can't know and this is the biggest reason for the single "epidemic".

>>33620015
Have you talked to her yet?

>>33620101
I did approach her, playfully told her she looked well done (she has a tan), while joking about mine
She gave me her name.

>>33620094
This is also a concern of mine, I can take rejection, but I refuse to have my reputation ruined

>>33620160
I should add- The 3 day thing is after becoming regularly acquainted with her or getting her contact info. Not necessarily after your first interaction.

>>33620188
Ok, dont scare me like that.
But thanks for clarifying

>>33619721
It's been forever since I've heard that song, but I still immediately recognized it lol

>>33620293
The song that proved that the moon landing was fake

Guys I need help.

I am a 30 year old virgin. My life has been very hard, with child abuse and social isolation for most of it, so this shouldn't be a surprise.

Talking to a friend I realized I am very scared of getting rejected, and that's also part of why I never got a girlfriend.

I also did a heavy looksmaxx recently and my face is different and normies treat me better. However, I think this doesn't address the root of the problem, since so many ugly guys still have gfs.

This makes me feel like something's fundamentally wrong with me.

>>33620408
By the way i am still not a chad. I can tell because women are not hitting on me or anything. Normies just became nicer because I look manlier and don't look like a chinless ultra beta anymore.

>>33620408
>>33620430

My question is. Are you supposed to just grind approaches and get rejected a lot? Because that's the feeling I get from redpill advice.

>>33620439
Yes. It's all a numbers game. More approaches means more opportunities for a yes. Most are gonna be a no for 99% of men. It's just something you have to get used to. That's not even a red pill thing that's just life. Think of it like applying for jobs.

Tried real hard to ask the girl at the coffee shop how her day was but I couldn’t quite do it. I was able to look her in the eyes so I guess that’s an improvement. Might get a coffee again later today and try again on a different girl

>>33611473
Sure, she's cute and funny. I not a twitch faggot, but I watch her vids.

new thread
>>33622117

>>33622117

>>33622117