Thread 33609772

I'm an ugly beta male in my mid 30s. In every single workplace or college environment I become the loser loner that nobody talks to within a week of starting.

I haven't had any friends since school, and even then I didn't socialise with them outside of school after around the age of 13.

I haven't had a girlfriend or date or any interest from women ever. I've read about the blackpill and know that it all accords with reality.

Any advice that allegedly fixes the above points seems like ramshackle artifice. Going to clubs or pubs or hobby groups, "just" talking to people, online dating: it's all a humiliation ritual that only normies can succeed at. There's the added humiliation that none of it is "necessary" (physically, financially), meaning people would literally sense the patheticness on me if I did any of it. They'd think I was stupid and desperate, that I'd be someone who was acting like a 1950s caricature ("Just wear a suit and walk in with a firm handshake!"), potentially resulting in widespread humiliation (maybe even social media virality). Being a loser doesn't remove this humiliation; I wouldn't go outside without proper hygiene either.

I've come to see all socialising, whether informal or formal, in groups or with individuals, as a "heads they win, tails I lose" rigged game where people simply assert the preexisting social hierarchy to either insult, ignore, or take advantage of me. If people are in a situation where they don't simply want me to go away as soon as possible, they will try to exploit me in some way, which they will predict they can do because they instinctually (or factually) know that they fit in more than me with other normies, so they will face no consequences if they try to run me over.

>>33609772 (OP)
Meetup.com and apply for dubgeons and dragons meet ups or magic the gathering. Its over, your genetics doomed you, try to looksmaxx though you gonna have to follow the looksmaxxibg pill, normies judge almost purely superficially

>>33609772 (OP)
>it's all a humiliation ritual
it's a humiliation ritual in the same way that only being able to bench 135 is a humiliation ritual. You're gonna suck at stuff at first, and the idea that you won't or shouldn't is frankly arrogant. You're not gonna have the coolest friends at first, you're not gonna be able to talk to the cutest girls successfully at first. You need to work your way up to it.
>none of it is "necessary" (physically, financially)
What does this mean? It is necessary if you want friends and a lover, and lacking either of those things has a physiological effect on you because of how brain chemistry works.
>maybe even social media virality
This is completely insane. Very few people are going to go viral even while trying. For you, the worst scenario that you can reasonably assume might happen is that some awful bitch will make fun of you with her friends in a groupchat and you will never hear about it.
>people simply assert the preexisting social hierarchy to either insult, ignore, or take advantage of me
This does happen. It's kinda part of life; we're not allowed to beat each other to a pulp over girls or food anymore, so people do it verbally to assert dominance abstractly. Find people who don't do this, learn to interact with them, and then if you really want to start making moves learn to do it yourself. You might be the "DUFF" (designated ugly fat friend) if people treat you this way now, so you need to learn how to take advantage of a DUFF, or at least become someone who isn't the DUFF.

Your immediate response will be that you don't want to be a normie, you don't want to be fake, you wanna talk about what you wanna talk about, something about roasties, etc. At some point, you have to accept that you either need to change to fit in with these groups, or you need to accept that your individuality is so fierce that it overrides your natural social instincts.

>>33609772 (OP)
My dude, 99% of the framing in your post is either catastrophizing the situation with an all-or-nothing approach or trying to mind-read how someone else will react to you.

That’s not an effective way of seeing things if you want something that serves you long-term.

If you have a job, see if they offer a therapy program as part of your benefits. You need to challenge the way you see things.

>>33609772 (OP)
looksmaxxing and try not to talk too much and reveal too much about yourself, with normies sadly, you will never stop having to "wear a mask" sort to speak, as in you must be your fake non genuine self for the sake of not make them repelled to your true personality. I do this, everyone does this, even some normies themselves do this. Its just how it is. the social contract of never showing weakness.

>>33609772 (OP)
https://youtu.be/VQsdy_yaQAQ?si=U0qpH3c7IdzAknw_

Few people truly "socialise" at work and those who do go to cringe pizza nights and shit you wish you were anywhere else but there. I wouldn't feel bad about that but just smiling and laughing will help open you up to some more receptive patter. You probs give off frosty vibes that make people think you're really not interested in them, so they mirror that behaviour.

>>33609772 (OP)
> Any advice that allegedly fixes the above points seems like ramshackle artifice. Going to clubs or pubs or hobby groups, "just" talking to people
Yeah that’s because nobody really understands how severe the anxiety and depression you have actually is. I’ve been there, thought about dying even. What helped me was looking at the things I believed about the people around me and determining that none of what I thought, which was very similar to you, didn’t make a lot of logical sense. Therapy sucked, meds helped a lot, and so did becoming introspective; I spent a lot of time examining how I felt in situations and setting goals to not feel that way about this social situations, figuring out what caused those feelings and facing those events so I could rationalize them. Though I won’t pretend like psychotic feminists don’t exist in a big enough number to be a threat, they shouldn’t stop you from shrimply ignoring their retarded influence.

>>33609772 (OP)
Without even meeting you I can guarantee two things

1. You never reach oit to others, but wait for them to befriend you. Know this - from the outside, shyness and social awkwardness can look just like aloofness. If you don't occasionally make the first move, others will conclude that YOU don't like THEM, and they will try to respect what they think are your wishes by leaving you alone.

2. You walk around unconsciously broadcasting vibes of "I'm valueless. Don't waste your time on me." It comes through in your writing.