Thread 33622117

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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Thinking of visiting an escort to get over my onitis since despite getting matches OLD that things never go anywhere because I hate dating and just want to fuck.

>>33622117 (OP)
Where can I meet emo/scene girls?

>>33622130
Zoomer emos are all posers. They are emo/scene because they have BPD and are adopting a consumable aesthetic because it is the way they cope with how BPD strips them of having an actual personality. You don't want to date women like that. Most of them aren't actually even into emo music and just listen to $uicideboy$ or Sleep Token or that one Deftones song that got popular on TikTok

>>33622130
nose ring theory is real

mall goths are not goths, it's just an aesthetic for women who are actually incredibly conventional and not independent thinkers

Ok so is the third time i held eye contact with this girl in the gym for like 3-5sec. Shes hot, looks a bit older than me, maybe 25. The thing is a never spoke (never kissed one) to a woman before, no idea how to approach her. Any tips?

>>33622130
If you’re trying to find the “real deal” emo, goth, or scene girls then I suggest finding local emo/goth/indie/hardcore shows and going to those. They’re cheap, you can maybe make some friends, and even find a girl there if you’re not a creep.

>>33622565
Ever since the scamdemic I've stopped telling the truth and started lying to everybody. It became clear that people don't want to hear the truth or anything negative for that matter. They only want to hear positive shit and things that reinforce their beliefs. So now I'm constantly lying to these idiots.
Just today I went to the gym and this twink zoomer I barely know started making small talk. Anyway he was doing most of the talking when he mentioned he has a crush on one of the gym thots and that she is way out of his league so he is afraid to approach her because he is kinda ugly and all that. Anyway I straight up told him he is good looking and he should definitely make a move on her and that his chances are pretty good, even though he is an ugly twink manlet and basically has no chance. The way he looked at me with those puppy eyes when I told him he is good looking kek. Towards the end of the conversation I was thinking about coming clean and telling him that I was joking earlier and that he is physically deformed and ugly, has no chance and will probably die a virgin like so many incels nowadays. Could have probably driven him to suicide easily but I just kept my mouth shut and he eventually went away, which I was glad.
I just pray he approaches the girl when I'm there so I can laugh at him as he inevitably gets rejected and btfo.

>>33622682
you pretty fucked up man.

>>33622682
my sleeves smell like bread

Should have fucked the mid 40s looking train inspection lady who said I looked like John Mayer
She looked good for her age, probably would have cured all my problems with women

>>33622682
based

>>33622117 (OP)
If I'm talking to a girl and she starts to blush/turn red is that a good sign? She gives strong eye contact as soon as I walk in the room.

>>33623312
>If I'm talking to a girl and she starts to blush/turn red is that a good sign?
no, she just tries to hold her breath as long as possible

I have no idea how to talk to women. A lot of the time I'll ask for advice here and it boils down to "just do it, it's no big deal if you fail" or here's a way to be more attractive, do that and then do it." but I had a super controlling mom and a pussy dad who would lecture me and/or cry whenever I wasn't mama's little boy, or when I wanted to pick out my own clothes in high school, and would either laugh at me or just act weirded out whenever I had any questions about sex, or even saw people kissing on tv (oooooOOOOOOooo anon has a girlfriend!) They sleep in separate bedrooms and he's a complete doormat who blames me when she's on the warpath because of something I said or implied that gave her no choice but to scream at me, and treats me like an asshole when I do anything but take it.

When it comes time to just talk to women, I just can't think of what to say. I knew what I grew up with is utter insanity, and I finally cut them out of my life (it was more difficult than it sounds, psychological stuff aside lawyers were involved) but I'm in my 40s and I have no idea how to recover. I've tried going to therapy, but they're full of feminist bullshit and don't actually care about men being emasculated, at least around here.

How do I fix myself? I've gotten laid a few times but it's from women in chatrooms with slutty names.

>>33623365
male therapists, aim for free trial sessions, guide convo during it in a way that helps you sniff out which school of thought and approaches they'd use, switch to the next one when it's the manhater delusions stuff

>>33623370
That's a good thought. It seems like every shrink around here does cognitive behavioral therapy, which is just gaslighting you pay for in my opinion. Maybe they have "I do X, Y, and cbt!". I remember looking at a list and just getting pissed off. They all sound like my dad too, all passive aggressive guiding questions and putting words in your mouth. And CBT people don't take no for an answer. It's like "So why don't you like CBT? Mmmmhmm. mmmhmm. So you're saying maybe you should try again and see if you click? Did you know that CBT is evidence based? You see this as an argument, why is that?" You just can't say no.

Still, that's a direction I should start looking for again. Maybe I could find someone online, I've tried searching for things like I hate CBT to no avail, but maybe I could try keywords like anti-feminist or conservative.

Thanks for the ideas!

>>33623389
cbt can absolutely be helpful, but it depends on what it's used for. It's a useful tool to adjust your reactions, but much like various types of meditations, it can often be used too far to get you too comfortable with your shit situation. So yeah, if you've had too many failures with previous CBT shrinks, it most likely makes sense to try other stuff first.
>anti-feminist
iunno, (((radfem))) shit is cray but anti-feminism therapy sounds to me like sending women to "anti-man" therapy and expecting them to not get even crazier
>conservative
possibly
main thing is you'll want some role-model-like ideal to work towards, to basically uncuck yourself from the absolutely cucked and crazy home environment that you were cursed with, while also not going full retard in the other direction

>>33623317
Hate it when girl do this

>>33623401
>iunno, (((radfem))) shit is cray but anti-feminism therapy sounds to me like sending women to "anti-man"

Feminism is just marxism applied to genders, and being anti feminism has nothing to do with people anti woman, anymore than being against blm makes you anti black.

Every feminist thinks they aren't one of the woke feminists, but you are.

>>33623414
imma be honest with you mane im too lazy for an internet argument, jus "anti-feminism" gives me similar smellz to """anti"""fa, and well yeah

>>33623422
What you smell is none of my business, my feminist friend.

""anti-feminism" gives me similar smellz to """anti"""fa"

Not liking a political movement that discriminates against you is totally like beating people up on the street because you don't like what they say. They both have anti in the name so it's pretty much the same thing. Hurrr.

I believe I can't commit in a relationship if she doesn't have big tits. Anyone is a similar position? maybe with ass?

>>33623442
lol
lmao even

reminder that to attract women, you have to stop thinking about what attracts you to women and start thinking like a woman

-status cues
-mate choice copying (do other women preselect you)
-access to resources

it's not your ugly nose or whatever that's driving them away on dating apps

I have no idea where to go to meet women...

Anyone else deeply craving sex and affection but just can't be bothered to put yourself out there thanks to repeated bad experiences, failed relationships, and heartbreaks?
How do I want to get women again?

>>33623595
Dating apps
>>33623602
No
Find a good one

>>33623602
yeah, me

>>33623602
discontinue the porn

Men have declared spiritual jihad on women and it shows as they slowly begin to lose it. This is it anons, the real gender war has begun, not the fake one with countless pronouns that is being shilled everywhere in the media, but the real gender war between man and woman.
Women are about to learn a harsh lesson.

Don't talk to women, don't help them, don't ask them out, don't have dating apps, don't interact with them. If a woman approaches you be nice and respectful but do not flirt or overtly joke, treat them as an equal man and then leave after the reason for the conversation is over. If a girl comes up to you and flirts kindly turn her down, if she asks you out suddenly say no thank you, don't make up a reason she only has agency because of some external reason not because she likes you. Be vague when talking about your life or weekend plans, anything you do or do with them like hooking up will be picked apart and analyzed by her and her online friends. You are a traitor and not helping anyone if you fall for their tricks.
If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.

>>33623602
yes. But I managed to pull trough.
Keep Leo Esaki's 1st rule in mind. Don't let the past affect your perception of the future.
Get out there, learn from mistakes, try again. Women are very different.

>>33623629
>pic
written by a man

How to break the fear of hitting up beautiful women?

Do you think women can sense if you are a porn abuser? I have been trying to cut back on the porn use because it makes me feel awful. However, I feel even worse when not abusing porn because then my mind gets clouded by sexual things. Dumb stuff like imagining random women naked. What is the fine balance? I don't even like talking to women when I am like this because I feel uneven. I don't feel collected.

>>33623762
>Dumb stuff like imagining random women naked.
pretty sure that's normal

>>33623762
I was with someone for 9 years and she never knew I had a porn addiction. I kept her away from my PC at all times.

>>33623769
How do you know if you are actually a porn addict? Sometimes I think I am addicted but outside looking in, I don't know if thats true. I can regularly stop looking at porn for 1-2 months(usually not 3 months). I brought my masturbation down to 1-2 times a week at one point. I can still masturbate without porn and I still can get strong erections without porn. So what constitutes as being addicted to porn? To me, I think I was making it out to be "If you watch porn at all, then you are addicted." But is that true in your opinion? If I could watch porn 1-2 times a week, I think I'd be fine. But then I replaced the word "porn" with "fentanyl" and then it sounds insane. "If I could just do fent 1-2 times a week, I'd be fine." Is that even a good comparison?

>>33623822
nta, but I think comparing to any physical drug is a bit dicey, especially something as intense as fentanyl.

The line is pretty blurry for when it goes from being a habit to an addiction, so a firm number won't work for everyone. I think it's better think about when it becomes problematic in your life. If it is your only source of emotional regulation (relieving stress or wanting to escape what you see as the dullness of your life) or you end up gooning for hours a day, neglecting responsibilities or not pursuing otherwise enriching activities, then I would say it's problematic (speaking from personal experience currently).

The question of addiction becomes more relevant when you consider how looking at porn affects your enjoyment of other things in your life, like if it's the only thing that really makes you feel good, it's probably safe to label it an addiction.

>>33623955
I see what you mean. I think for me its tricky because I am in my early 30's. Masturbation and porn has been the only thing I ever known in regard to sex. I have never had sex and my first exposure to sex was via porn. Do you think its possible to ever use porn in a healthy capacity? or rather in a capacity that isn't harmful to me? My perceived struggle with porn has basically made me feel really ugly about sexuality in general and I only see it in a negative light. To me, there is nothing good about sex or porn or masturbating but that isn't how regular people see it which means how I see it is probably wrong. I would love to have a good outlook on sex but not sure how I can get to that point.

I could do with some copium
After realizing my hair receeded to much and looked bad, I shaved it.
After embracing being bald, I haven't talked or interracted with women. I haven't even tried because I feel im too ugly.
Basically just accepted that I cannot be decent looking until I save enough money to get a hair transplant.

>>33624415
idiot. I lost 2 fingers in my hand at 22 and I thought I'd never get pussy ever again. Turns out I did. Women aren't all demonic. Some have good hearts and will empathize with you. get the fuck out there and try.

>>33624264
>Do you think its possible to ever use porn in a healthy capacity?
not that anon but someone abstaining from masturbating for over half a year now, i am so much more healthy mentally

I just got diagnosed with ADHD. It's fucking over. I always suspected shit like this or autism because people never really liked me. I have maybe 2-3 "friends" i meet up with regularly but i was never popular or invited to parties or hangouts. When in uni i managed to get to a group beer meeting suddenly i had to hear how the girls/guys i was with talk about the 20 fucking meetings inbetween and crazy adventures i wasn't invited to and feel like shit about it.

I'm past uni at 27, 28 in few months. Is it fucking over?

>>33625005
It's only over if you spend your free time and energy pissing and shitting yourself that it's over. You're fine. Just do your work and don't be a fag and thing will sort themselves out.

>>33625005
I started at 27

>Neet with nothing in my life in order
Should I even bother talking to women right now?

>incel for four years
>finally a girl shows interest
>we start hanging out, kiss, start fucking soon after
>it's very underwhelming and I'm bored most of the time
>she's cute with a nice ass and doesn't make me wear a condom but it does nothing for me
>we're supposed to hang out tonight
>keep wondering whether I should cancel and stay home working on hobbies

h-have I ascended?

>>33625569
I think the longer you go with no human connections the harder it is to reform them. It's like a muscle, use it or lose it.

>>33625593
I think you're right anon. I've felt like a ghost all these years. I can still talk to people and crack jokes and flirt with women but something's missing in it all.
I'll hang out with her tonight

>>33625569
How did you escape anon?

t. incel since birth basically

>female associate
>message each other ever so often maybe a convo every other month or so, no biggie
>always seemed eager to talk, engaging and friendly
>Recently feel a shift
>Responses are short, closed off and convo ending

What the fuck? What did I do?

>>33622130
>Where can I meet emo/scene girls?
these days, from what I experienced recently- they are at every car show, car meet or underground type of car gathering. The type of girls who are into obscure stuff like Japan car drifting- also like obscure fashion like goth/emo/punk. Last night, a "harajuku goth" type of cute Zoomer girl was checking out my drift car at a car show. You can't be a brokie- you at least need to have some money because they would want to be pampered or taken somewhere. They may not eat, but they would like to go places to take photos too etc.

>>33625788
>What the fuck? What did I do?
she is getting dicked down by someone else, and it isn't you.
>every other month or so, no biggie
you took too long faggot. You shouldn't be talking to coworkers anyway. But if you were honest about what you want out of life, you would have clapped cheeks around the first month of flirt conversation. You can't win them all and you lose some in life. Git gud next time bitch nigga.

>>33625804
>coworker
I never said coworker, it's an online friend(?) I get to see maybe once or twice a year. She's also got a BF so

>>33625809
>She's also got a BF so
so stop crying about it faggot

>>33625813
You're tryin way too hard dude, I'm just wondering where this 180 came from

>>33625809
>BF

why are you even trying

>>33625817
Where did I even allude to trying anything? If a friend starts acting different outta nowhere, you're not gonna be curious?

>>33625569
think of the incels who would like to be in your place and shut up

>>33625824
read the thread title

>>33625831
Fair enough, solid point, but nah I'm not trying anything, just makes my mind race wondering if I did something, or if someone said something about me. Meh, whatever.

>>33625844
>I'm not trying anything, just makes my mind race wondering if I did something
this the type of nigga who puts himself in the friend zone on purpose- thinking girls actually want guy friends around. ngmi bitchmade anon

>>33623629
This but unironically. I won't approach women or use dating apps, since every women I have dated, met, or talked to online was crazy, controlling, or uninterested in a relationship. Typically, they just wanted attention. Sure, I fell for the bait, or they tricked me long enough into thinking they could be someone special, but it always ended poorly. I'd bend over backwards and do almost anything for them, within reason, which led to being taken advantage of - to which I said, no more. I'm perfectly fine with being single now or for life. If a woman is truly attracted to me, then she can make it known without playing games. That's the kind of woman I want anyway.

>>33624264
>Do you think its possible to ever use porn in a healthy capacity? or rather in a capacity that isn't harmful to me?

Of course, it make take some work though. I lost my virginity in my early 30's with an escort and I've only had sex with escorts since. Before and in the time between it's strictly porn for me too, so I can relate.

You use "ugly" to describe your current view of sexuality and say "there is nothing good about sex or porn or masturbating," which to me sounds like there's shame behind it. Just with this mindset, I think it would be very difficult to have a healthy relationship with porn or masturbation or even sex for that matter. I'd really recommend taking some time to think deeply about where these negative associations regarding sexuality come from; did you get caught masturbating as a child and your parent(s) punished or shamed you? Where you bullied or teased when people found out you had a crush on a popular girl? Or maybe you just come from a very conservative culture which shuns open expression of sex and desire.

I'm assuming this was you:
>I feel even worse when not abusing porn because then my mind gets clouded by sexual things. Dumb stuff like imagining random women naked.
You sound guilty for having sexual thoughts about women when you haven't been masturbating to keep that "beast" at bay, so to speak. In that case, if jerking off and watching porn 1 or 2 times a week helps you avoid that type of thinking, I would say it's a healthy thing to engage in. But, also keep the bigger picture in mind: do you want to be having sex? Do you want a relationship? Then if you find that looking at porn at all is keeping you from that, you're going to have to reorient to figure out how you can get your needs fulfilled while also pursuing the "real" thing.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

I failed again to ask a girl working at the cafe how her day was going, but I was able to make eye contact and smile at her when she brought me my coffee. She smiled back and she had such a very sweet smile and nice brown eyes. It made me feel very nice. I hope that I can find a girlfriend one day if I keep this up. Tomorrow I will go practice with women at coffee shops near my work

>>33623365
>but I had a super controlling mom and a pussy dad
>whenever I had any questions about sex, or even saw people kissing on tv
>I'm in my 40s and I have no idea how to recover
the first is growing up. Seriously. It's accepting that whatever situation you find yourself in right now is within your control and capability to change YOURSELF. There is no one to blame but yourself. Your parents did their best and probably have their own preconceived notions about those topics anyway. Now that you are an adult, you have no excuse- no one else to blame.
>When it comes time to just talk to women, I just can't think of what to say
even niggers know how to talk to all sort of women. Put yourself in their frame to learn- they drop all social mannerism, tradition, social cues, norms and accepted societal truths to talk to women. They just go for what they want, they do not care about the immediate results or consequences (I don't believe they ever do anyway). That is what attracts women first; before the talking, before the physical attraction, before anything- its the confidence to even go up to say something to a woman because you found them attractive or to your interest. If you can't muster this, you have already failed at the very basic level.
>How do I fix myself?
stop blaming others first- you are you own human being now. Responsible for your own actions and thoughts. That also means being able to learn new things and from old mistakes. If younger women than you of today prefer men now who look after their physical stature- you must be open to doing the same to compete with other men. If they prefer men today who have a certain kind of lifestyle, do self-reflection of what yours is now- and make moves to be more appealing.
>I've gotten laid a few times but it's from women in chatrooms with slutty names.
stop hiding behind the digital world. Actually go out into the world, in real life and meet women outside. You might be surprised how easy it is

>>33623731
when I was younger, I had anxiety about talking to women in general because my dad never taught me how. So I started challenging myself to talk and meet with stranger women in public settings. Literally just approaching them and attempting conversation. I failed many times, but there were also successful interactions. Eventually got over the anxiety from repeated practice and experience.
>hitting up beautiful women?
This is like a level-up from before. Once you got the hang of talking to below-average looking women and then average-looking, came the time to talk to the most desirable women. In certain settings like public spaces meant for socializing, it is more difficult; you face competition from other like-minded men who also want to talk to beautiful women. So the challenge comes with understanding specific socializing skills. Not only do you need to learn how to talk to beautiful women, you also have to learn how to defend yourself from other competitors who want to do the same. Its a high-skill type of deal. In other settings however, I would say it is not the case. In university for example- the setting is more relaxed and the competition is less fierce talking to pretty girls as other men aren't all trying to get her. Friend group social-outings also works for this as it is a small-enough group where competition wouldn't pose much challenge. Eventually, you will learn how to deal with beautiful women. Things like dealing with those with extremely high egos due to their beauty. Other aspects like being aware of your own person- able to remain intact even if a beautiful girl is rude to you or teasing you. Maybe being able to turn your attraction to them off: so that you could better filter and screen their personality instead. It's a whole game that needs constant skill checks and tests. You never really stop learning how in life as its a constant challenge. Beautiful girls are into pop-culture so you need to move the same.

Let me tell you all again, DO NOT DATE HIPSTERS.

Hipsters you will never win a conversation with unless you are extremely neurotypical. Go instead for the very thing you thought against, a party girl, as working towards that will lead more results than a hipster.

Hipsters on the other hand are a walking deathmine communication wise, not worth it. What will be up will be down eith them.

>>33623629
hey dude if you're going to spam the same post in every thread can you at least use the same fucking image every time so other users can filter you?

Will model trains help me get a GF? What about RC helicopters?

Also, I am a college kid, but have no clue what people (especially girls) around that age are into and would like to gauge interest of this one girl in me. All I know is that she is a rower and her physical appearance plus major.

>>33627179
>"...Have no clue what people (especially girls) around that age are into..."
Don't worry about that. If you try to impress hipsters you will fuck yourself over and over again. You will never be in the process of things in which your slight misbehavior will be seen as minor ever. Date women who forgive you, who want to have fun with you, and who smile around you. Yeah the hot hipster chick you want is cool and all, but the girl who is happy around you is worth it more. Thr hipster chick may be wearing black and giving badass pseudo intellectual arguments, BUT YOU STILL SHOULD AVOID HER.

what's the minimum height required to get women these days?

>>33627243
If it is a hipster woman it would be picky. Other women not so much.

>>33627205
>hipsters
I have not the foggiest of what you are talking about, she rows and goes to college. Unless hipsters are athletic rowers now, I fail to see the connection. Do you mind clarifying?

>>33627269
When a girl is a hipster. She feels you coming up to her being nice is outdated and too mainstream, so instead of going the usual route, assumes you are sketchy for no reason.

Met a girl in a convenience store. Had a decent convo, she followed me around the store talking to me. We walked out together, I shook her hand and held it for a while, she didn't pull back except her feet when I inched a little closer, so I dropped it. She asked for my insta and I asked her out, but she said she's hanging out with her cousin and will get back to me... today. It's today now. No answer, what do? I was the last to text. Just wait? Forget?

>>33627352
move on and if she gets back to you it's an unexpected bonus
>>33624415
women are more interested in things like social cues and status, focus on maximizing those. all looking better does for a man is increase confidence which makes it more likely you align with good status cues but they're not a requirement

>>33625569
are you me? I'm in the exact same situation. I think I'd rather be single. She's catching feelings.


I also think I have a slight crush on a blondie, but I have no chance with her unfortunately

Your crush is out there living her life and enjoying the summer, going out with friends, socializing, having fun, making memories, forging meaningful connections and getting ahead in life. While you are here shitposting about women on a beautiful summer weekend. Any last words anon before you inevitably end it?

I'm pretty happy by myself.
Even if I never meet a woman. At least i've still got me.

How do I cope with pic related

>>33625005
who

I have a crush on this girl from my gym class. We have spoken a little and i know her for like 2 months. If i want to eventually ask her out, how should i proceed?

>>33625856
>friend zone on purpose
Yeah, as if him or any of you are actually missing out on anything anyway lmao
>>33625881
This

>>33628091
There's more to life
FWIW as long as you're socializing around women you will eventually be some girl's erotic dream, but that girl might not be one you like.

>>33630066
Where can you socialize with women on a regular basis in your mid 20s outside of college?

>>33623610
anyone who recommends dating apps has never actually used them especially this year

>>33630238
Works on my machine

>>33630238
They have been more successful than IRL dating for me.

Give women autonomy to not like you.

Idk what’s going on with dating apps, both Tinder and hinge show me really hot people that I swipe on knowing they’re probably out of my league and lo and behold I haven’t gotten a match in months

>>33630796
>Idk what’s going on with dating apps
have you been living under a rock? It's not 2014 anymore when these apps first released- if you haven't noticed, they no longer function as intended for men. They are now mere entertainment for women. If you bothered to check social media, you'd find countless posting about people talking about how useless "dating apps" are today. Most are locked behind ridiculous paywalls and the more insidious ones only work when the algorithm finds you appealing- and that's even after the paywall. You quite literally would have better chances hanging out at your local shopping area in your city- talking to and approaching as many stranger women as you possibly can.

>>33625788
>What the fuck? What did I do?

bet you replied to her messages instantly and gave the impression you're too readily available and as an autist I learned the hard way that we can mistake a woman being polite with flirting

>>33630796
I got a bunch of matches this week more than usual desu. It always comes in waves it feels like
>4 straight up ghosted me
>2 were talking agreed to go out then unmatched next day
>3 I'm kind of chatting with I could ask them out if I want to
>1 wanted to go out with me but turns out she lives an hour away instead of 20 min she said if I go there we can go out but I said nah

>>33625856
>this the type of nigga who puts himself in the friend zone on purpose- thinking girls actually want guy friends around. ngmi bitchmade anon

some girls only like having guy friends because they don't get along with other women

>>33623365
>I've gotten laid a few times but it's from women in chatrooms with slutty names.
All that and you still managed to get laid. What was going through your head then?

I need advice on sex and how to last longer
im a virgin and im losing it to a really nice girl soon, she has a really nice body and i know i wont last long
what are the tips? ive read stuff like the last thing i should be doing is putting the dick inside and isntead i should touch her and basically a lot of foreplay until she begs for dick

>>33631510
Feel comfortable during the sex the best you can. Allow yourself to spend as much time too.

>>33625796
I got $40k saved, I dont worry about money at all

>>33631510
Accept you won't last long and just do it. Then take a break and do it again. You'll last longer. And again. Last longer still.

>>33627789
>I think I'd rather be single
it kinda sucks after spending 4 years yearning for affection, fantasizing about sex etc. I find my mind wandering during sex though she seems to be enjoying herself. how would you even get a woman to understand that it truly isn't her, it's just that I've spent almost half a decade in complete isolation and have found things to occupy myself with during that time

>I have a slight crush on a blondie
I wonder if once you had her it'd be the same. I wonder if I'm even meant to be in a relationship

>>33623365
>i just can't think of what to say
>but i had a super controlling mom
you're suffering from perfectionism as criticism-avoidance. you want to believe you can do something "perfectly" to avoid rejection or awkwardness. that's why you need the right thing to say and why you freeze up. there's nothing wrong with you, it's a perfectly normal reaction to a controlling mom. but you do have to train yourself out of it if you want results, and you do have to be open to people who are telling you that yes, you do have to make each interaction feel like less of a devastating critique from mom

i recommend a book called psycho-cybernetics. it contains all sorts of tips for practicing things just like this, and doing so in a low-pressure way so you don't feel so judgmental about yourself.

one technique in particular: being like a baseball player whose only focus isn't to hit a home run, but to just make the bat contact the ball. lower your standards for what is "good" to say by making a new criteria for success: whether or not you said anything at all. eventually, that feeling of "winning" will build and if you successfully rewire yourself into believing "talking = success," you'll notice the best things to say slide out of you automatically. there never was a thing to say. there was just a way to be. best of luck anon

>>33622117 (OP)
What's with women who complain about there not being any good men ignoring good men when they enter their lives?

>>33631916
like are they are stupid and continue to do foolish things even though they know they are wrong? I matched with this girl and we exchanged social media and talked about music (i even made a playlist for her) but then she ignored that I had even did that and then started re-posting shit about how dating sites are like sifting through garbage

>>33631936
girls that have spent any amount of time on the apps are fried, possibly irreparably. this is by design.

>>33631025
Not at all, I try not to do that on purpose to pretend like I'm busy, but sometimes it's instant sometimes it's hours

I really don't 'get' women

>>33631916
>What's with women who complain about there not being any good men
this is a common hilarious trope today that is constantly being posted about on all social media. What they really mean is
>where is that Chad Prince Charming like all the romance TV shows and movies I watched
>and why are they not talking to me like they used to when I was in my 20's
these women missed the boat and are just adding years now. They were foolish and fell for the Jewish feminist "careerist woman" meme. Now they are all just finding out no man wants a confrontational, old hag of a woman. Even if they met a Chad Prince Charming their age, those guys dont date old women.

>>33632678
Try dating women with easier implicit signs. A straightforward woman has reassuring direct indirect language. Try dating a sexy blue collar girlfriend for example.

>>33632965
I think there’s a lot of socials factors that contribute to that. I don’t know what a woman having a career has to do with being Jewish people. You sound like one of those psychos who believes The Protocols of The Elders of Zion. Anyways, femicide rates are sky rocketing worldwide and women have a much higher rate of being killed by a (ex)partner or spouse. I think that contributes to the sentiment that there’s not good men today. As well as the rise in inceldom and alt-right ideology which is not particularly respectful to women and tends to make sweeping statements about them as a whole. However, that’s not really new. Some men have been doing that since recorded history. There’s still plenty of good men out there though.

>>33623610
>>33630421
dating apps are rigged. there is absolutely an algorithm. even the iranian dating app, sheytoon, makes it so after your last swipe, they show the profile of a stereotypically attractive woman to make you pay more money, then you don't get matched. you're paying to get teased, but worse than a strip club. at least as the strip club you actually get to see tits and ass

it is a fucking scam

>>33631025
>thinking men are the problem when women see that a man is available for them

>>33627776
I texted after 3 days of silence. She responded immediately.
Here's the texts after she said she'd tell me her availability later:
>Me: sounds good, try xxx food while you're there
>Her later that day: I just had x it was so good
>Me a day later: You'd love xfood then
3 days
>Me: I caught you looking (she watched my story, also saw my message)
>Her: yeah that food is kinda mid desu
>Me: Good, I have something better
>Silence for 4 hours
Shes travelling so it makes sense.
Yet, I'm here on adv asking about it, so I know as a rule this is a lost cause. I don't go on adv when my sex life is going well. Hell I don't even go on the internet.

Do you guys recommend hiring prostitutes?

>>33632965
I'll take one of the middle, with a side salad.

>>33627798
>beautiful summer weekend.
but…it’s monday

>>33631915
>you're suffering from perfectionism as criticism-avoidance. you want to believe you can do something "perfectly" to avoid rejection or awkwardness.
eyy, itsa mee
>book
sounds interesting, at least the example technique sounds valid, since I've been doing that for a while

>>33633869
For what?

>>33631029
>It always comes in waves it feels like
This, funny how that works. Almost makes you feel as if Tinder "let's you out" every so often and then starves you

I don’t like dating apps because I see girls that I think are “ugly” but I bet I’d fall for them if we met irl and they were nice

How to turn the conversation into something sexual / to turn her on?
I know the basics, like try to touch her lightly like her hands and stuff but theres gotta be something else
i want to put the thought of "sex" in her mind
Eye contact, smiles and flirt, i guess?

>>33626822
This is more than I could ask for, thank you severely for this.


>Maybe being able to turn your attraction to them off: so that you could better filter and screen their personality instead

I do understand what you mean by turning your attraction to them off as personality is what's the most important to me. I do not care for random women who just so happen to look beautiful because without personality they are just a hollow husk. However I do want to have courage to talk to someone I genuinely like, it just takes some time of me having my "stalking" phase at gym or elsewhere aka just getting comfortable and confident enough to finally get to talk to her.
I still remember having a high school crush, taking about few weeks of courage and then finally befriending her only to find out she's straight up a boring person and not interested.
It's a very important lesson to learn that there isn't JUST ONE woman in the world, there are literally numerous but at first we don't really know that.

My problem is just that I don't really know how to properly approach. I need to use the environment to ask out to not give it away that I really just like them.
Does cold approaching even work? The classic "Hey I think you're beautiful and I'd like to get to know you" - doesn't it just give them the creeps since they don't know you at all?
I feel like it's just less romantic and better if you help someone out once their groceries fall, having some sort of proper opener.

What’s the best way I can start dating a woman who’s 5+ years older than me?

>>33622117 (OP)
You never forget the smart girls..

It's funny, the only thing stopping me from committing suicide is the desire to lose my virginity, I need to find out what sex is like first

>>33633148
>femicide rates are sky rocketing worldwide and women have a much higher rate of being killed by a (ex)partner or spouse
so how is not a sweeping generalization? Men being violent? You're probably one of those who would say they would choose a wild animal like a bear instead of man. Delusional.
>As well as the rise in inceldom and alt-right ideology
millions of men around the world are wrong and you are right? Calling them derogatory terms because you don't agree with their ideals is what made them to begin with. Stay seething.
>There’s still plenty of good men out there though.
in your perspective, its men who are weak, frail, emasculated and willing to put up with your bullshit like paying all your bills while you put him aside to bang Tyrone in his own home. Sad really. Then you wonder why they act the way they do and no longer want to date women like that. It's hilarious when you see some 38 year old woman on Tiktok crying she can't get any men because she was a slut in her 20's. Can't hide this anymore when millions around the globe see disgusting modern women and how they act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6sJwUkTjUA

>>33626822
>Beautiful girls are into pop-culture so you need to move the same.
What do you mean

>got called a bitchass nigga by female associates at work the other day(I'm security at a warehouse)
>I write it up and send it to my manager instead of saying shit back in the moment
>get regularly ignored or cussed at by people
>keep to myself, just doing my job, but no one gives a shit if they think you're some mute autist
How fucked am I at nearly 30? It's like getting bullied in middle school all over again, but way worse since we're all "adults"

>>33635268
You have hands and free will.

>>33635512
Ok..What do I specifically use them for in my situation?

>>33622117 (OP)
Went into this weekend 100% focused on wife with affection, intimacy, etc. Wife barely initiated touch or affection while we were out. Basically I did all the initial flirting, affection, and touching. Eventually I emotionally checked out and started checking out other girls due to no reciprocation. 2hrs in we run into her coworker who is very attractive 23yr old. The girl just straight up stared into my eyes the entire time and glowed like the sun. Is this what I need to do going forward to gain more respect from my wife? Nothing else has worked this well.

I also kind of want this girl now too the interest felt so good. It's also crazy how you can only focus on your girl for so long and receive nothing back or initiated. Like I couldn't even help but check out other women once the loss of interest was felt.

>>33635635
Meant to add that she started giving me a lot of affection and touching after this interaction with her coworker. Went from 0 to 100 but most of my interest was lost and now focused on the new girl.

Is this chart legit? iirc it was from a 2023 survey on 5000 americans

>>33634721
Don't
They're a hassle

>>33631510
Fleshlight + actually lose your virginity to a hooker first so you'll lose the fear

>>33627243
1.8m no matter the cunt

>>33635584
Crash out and start fighting

Imagine trying to get a girlfriend in 2025

>>33634883
You'll die trying lol

>>33623365
...How the hell have you not transitioned or just turned gay yet?

>>33622117 (OP)
That's Ruth Lee

I got like 20 matches on tinder in the past few months since my gf dumped me, a few dates, one sex but I always fuck it up. I fucking suck at flirting. I never know whether to say something flirty right away or just start asking them shit about their profile. I can't tell if these women just want to get fucked or if they want an actual relationship. Kissed a few girls and they ghosted me afterward. It fucking sucks. I would like if someone could tell me my actual problem so I assembled a bunch of my convos, not all but a decent number, that went to shit.

>>33622117 (OP)
Everyone in this thread needs to read this. No joke. This shit is the real deal.
All other books on masculinity are false in some sense.
Read this.

How the fuck do I forget about her bros. I caught a glimpse of her on the elevator and our eyes met, she gave me a warm smile. She has a big toothy smile and her eyes sort of crunch up when she smiles. I wanted to die as I watched the doors closed and she slipped away. I’m tormented by this woman that I think is so beautiful in body and soul that I still don’t know well enough to ask out and can’t find an excuse to talk to at work. I just want to forget about her but it’s so hard being on these shitty fucking dating apps where I just look at women that I don’t think look as kind and warm as her and that wouldn’t match with me anyway. Just endless streams of hot sluts that wouldn’t give me the time of day.
Sorry I’m crashing out

>>33637095
think about male characters from media you find charming. think about times in your life you have been attracted to men in a platonic sense. channel these archetypes, and sidle up to her all smooth. ask her out "in character".

>>33637111
All my male role models are autistic as fuck and I wouldn’t want to ask her out until she knows me better and it’s messy because we work at the same company and I don’t even know if she’s single.
I really just need to forget her

I am a married man. I met my wife before the advent of dating apps. My advice to you is, I don’t know, but don’t use the apps. Hope that helps.

>>33637130
don't shit up the thread just because you want to avoid doing anything and stay in your comfort zone.

>>33637111
the trips confirms it

>>33637144
Sorry I should have posted this in GYOC. I want to push myself out of my comfort zone and I’m trying by talking to more people but I also need to forget this woman because I think it’s an objectively stupid decision to try start something with her

>>33637165
I understand, anon. I actually do this all the time, too. It's easier to stay in your comfort zone than talk to this girl. I get it. But the way you described her makes me think this is not some tradwife fantasy but you're actually attracted to her in a real sense.

>>33637181
I am completely smitten with her and it’s really done a number on me, maybe just because I’m getting older now but I went from not really having much of an interest in women besides to fulfill sexual urges to being like “holy crap I want a woman like this in my life and I want to spend lots of time with her and THIS is my type”
but it’s just really hard and I see so much potential drama with us being coworkers that I think it would be better to try and meet a similar woman
>>33637135
It’s hard, I want to do group activities to meet women but I also do a lot better talking to people 1 on 1 as I’m introverted

>>33622117 (OP)
i posted my selfies on /lgbt/ and they said im fit
am i the kinda dad bod girls like?
also i never even tried downloading a dating app since i moved lol
compared to the male stock around here i consider myself at least a 6

>>33637312
Introvert/extrovert is a spook. It’s all in your head. You have the right to choose how you approach life.

>>33637374
You're fat and unfit, sorry
And the "dadbod" is actually muscular but not (very) visible abs, like that jason momoa pic

>i consider myself at least a 6
So does everyone else, but how can everyone be a 6?

>>33637434
What kind of group activities can I do meet women my age (mid to late 20s)

>>33637467
defeatistBROWN detected
82kg is good at my height and my tummy isnt perfect so yeah i need to do more core exercises

>>33637503
No, you need to lose fat
No point in working your abs if those layers of fat cover your muscles

My classes started and I'm hoping to be more social this time.
I'm thinking of some compliments and small talk that would make a girl blush.
I'm sure I'll need to make a social media account.

>>33637646
>I'm thinking of some compliments and small talk that would make a girl blush.
Doesnt happen irl
You'll get cancelled

I've realized that my first dates are too sterile.
There's no flirting or tension and we just end up eating and talking and laughing but then leaving.
I've been pretty intentional to not push for raunchy dates because of my anxiety, but it's dawning on me that I'm over correcting and it's costing me dates 2+.

Having a heart and being accidentally sexist is better than having no heart and not being sexist.

34yo did speed dating for the first time.

despite the 34-45 age range a few of the women were good looking. did not match this time but overall it's an ok experience, not degrading like the apps. and the reported "yes" rate for women was about 30%.

at the end of the day it's probably still 90% appearance that matters though cause all my talks were smooth enough but im probably a 5.

something to try if you want a change of pace.

Has anyone had success without a social media account? I’ve only got Facebook which I haven’t used properly for like 8 years now and never touched stuff like Instagram or Snapchat.

>>33637923
>I may be a male chauvinist, but at least I'm an educated and informed male chauvinist.

>>33637468
Do you have friends? I met her at a party that my friends were having.

>>33638004
If you don’t have at least facebook, they assume you’re a serial killer or something.

>>33638152
Not really I’ve moved to a new city recently and don’t really know anyone…

>>33638004
>>33638160

NTA but I've thought about this a lot before
Should I make a facebook just to avoid that
Seems it's like, 10 years too late and that it'd be more suspicious if I had an account that is a month old than if I didn't have one

>>33638483
Not sure what country or kind of region where you live of but in my experience Facebook is kind of abandoned for the most part and it’s difficult to create a legit looking Facebook because of it.
I would do IG

>>33635635
>>33635645
Wife is an idiot that needs to be reminded you're attractive to other women.

guys help me, were both virgins me and my gf but the other day I proposed to do an oral on her after a bit of struggle she accepted, I did the oral and fingered her a bit but she said she didn't felt pleasure and that it was not intese enough. I'm lost here cause I did that to make her feel good and now I don't know what to do. She doesn't want to have sex yet.

>autists on here trying to learn how to "get" girls
>meanwhile regular-ass normies walk up to hot chicks and have normal chats with them within seconds

I think the number one way to cure incelism is to teach guys afflicted with it some proper social skills. Whenever I see or read about guys struggling to get women it seems to go hand in hand with not being able to make friends and being socially isolated and struggling to make conversation with people. Sure getting fit and looksmaxxing helps but the world is full of athletic guys spending lonely weekend after lonely weekend.

>>33639783
Yeah this is definitely me, I struggle so much getting to know people on a deeper level

>>33637063
Pseudo-intellectual sexual magic garbage. It has a decent point about finding purpose as a man, but you can get that anywhere.

>>33639776
If she's not comfortable she's not going to get any pleasure.

>>33622117 (OP)
best way to get a quick rebound fuck?

>>33639910
When you want to recenter your energies, you cum up the SPINE, retard. But you don't know that. Because you didn't read the book.
When someone tries to tell you that spirituality is fake, you might as well treat that like a skunk is talking to you. Like a skunk just came up to you and went "sksskssksskss!!!". That's the level on which I deal with people like you. What a fucking idiot.

>>33626968
>Go instead for the very thing you thought against, a party girl
I've been thinking about this, but isn't the problem with that strat that you probably have NOTHING in common with party girls? They might speak to you because they find you being an awkward autist amusing, but that won't get you in bed with them.

my brain stops working when i want to talk to a chick.
>don't think bro
nah as in my brain can't even fucking come up with words, i'd say im somewhat witty with everyone, but when a cute chick appears i get fucked.

>>33639783
it's not "autism" it's a product of the times. if you were raised glued to your phone without siblings you'd probably have weak social skills too.

>>33640108
>you cum up the SPINE, retard
Sounds like gooner yoga nonsense. I have read the book, his point about your purpose coming before

>>33640390
>Posted before finishing
A relationship is a good take, though

>>33622117 (OP)
Could one of you please redirect me to a 'self improvement' or getting my shit together general?
On this board or beyond if necessary.

I'm a little too far gone to be thinking about women and romance, but I still really wanna get my life together and have some peace in n the world.

I don't wanna fucking live like this anymore.

>>33640217
There is more to a relationship than you liking video games and her not, okay. You can still find a connection like gold can be found deep in the ocean if you go deep enough. It just is you need to open up and have balls a bit more. Make her watching you play Call of Duty a comfortable experience is the main thing.

>>33640393
Again, you did not read the book. You may have looked at the words but you did not understand.

People often tell me that I have a really sexy voice. They've said that I sound like an action movie star, that I could be on the radio or that I should narrate romance audiobooks. I've even had lonely old women calling my work number repeatedly over the weekend so they could listen to my voicemail greeting. Are there any specific ways I could use this to pull women or is it just something thatll boost my odds a bit?

>>33640591
>you did not understand.
And you did? What tangible lessons DOES it offer? I won't say a spiritual awakening couldn't be meaningful to a man caught up in the modern society's drudgery, but it's validity depends on their personal framework. It's vague enough to work for a guy who wants it to work, but lacks hard evidence. On par with Nofap cultists

>>33640432
Lift weights
Get a job
Go outside and talk to people
>>33640652
Yeah talk to them

>>33639783
WOAH
You've really hit something here, no one has EVER considered that if people had BETTER social skills they might be able to get a girlFRIEND!

I hyped myself up a bit much for a school club meeting. Too many people in a small place, was too hard to talk to anyone that wasn't next to me.

>>33641195
It's the ONLY book on masculinity that's worth its salt. You have been filtered

>>33641567
Never seen it mentioned until the last and this thread. Don't hear anyone bring it up, and there's nothing in it that's either substantial or that couldn't be more clearly explained in Models or No More Mr Nice Guy, or any other self-help book

>>33641941
Again, you have been filtered. Also lmao at those recs. "No More Mr. Nice Guy" is literally a watered-down, censored version of Way Of The Superior Man. You'd be better off getting your wisdom from a Harry Potter book.

>>33642038
Have fun nutting up your spine or whatever. I'm going to go talk to women in the real world

I forced myself to do it and talked to a girl in class. Even if it was just asking to work together and not much after, it was a huge relief to be a little social.

One of the things I want you guys to do when you meet a woman, is have a mental script, BUT be willing to rip it up for the one given in reality. That is what most interactions are like.

>>33642984
This, except you need to do it often so you dont regress. Not even talking to girls too, being outgoing in general is a skill that needs to be trained

how do I get a GF when I don't have my own place? I work full time and own a car but rent for a studio apartment here (sf bay area) within a reasonable commute range of my job is $3000/mo so I'm stuck living with my parents unless I zero out my 401k contributions. My parents are insane and I would never be able to bring a girl over. I'm going to move out of the state in the next few months, but I've been alone way too fucking long already and I'm tired of coming up with excuses to delay.

Obviously the solution is to zero out my 401k contributions and rent an apartment but it just seems fucking insane to give some jew $36k a year and also sabotage my future self just so that I can have sex...

I tried joining the snowboard team filled with cute blonde tomboys at my uni, but they dont accept grad students.

What do I do now? I wanna try and have somewhat of a college life that i missed during undergrad at a shitty local school, but i work and my classes are hard af and at night so when im at campus its empty.

>>33643287
>Obviously the solution is to zero out my 401k
This is not the solution. Thats being an ultra cuck simp. Put on a condom and bang a hooker if youre that desperate, but otherwise keep stacking savings and find an AFFORDABLE place to move to by yourself.

Im in the exact same position, its infuriating, but remember, we get more attractive the older we are, be patient and youll be smashing bitches at your own place soon

Are dating apps a good option if you’re attracted to bigger women?

I asked this in the ask women thread but got no real answer so I’d figure I’d give it a shot here

>Handsome 30 year old man
>Planning on using dating apps again
>Want specifically 18-25 year old age range
Is this acceptable in todays world? I know older women demonize men who are attracted to younger women

>>33643574
I have the same question but starting to use dating apps hoping to find a woman older than me
I’m a below average guy in my early 20’s

>>33643549
Are you joking, all i get are fat ugly women liking me

>>33643574
Kek fkn weirdo

>>33643574
Man, I've been on dates with 19 year olds and 39 year olds. You're the only who cares about this nonsense

Plus why don't you get an app first and see if any women at all are interested. It's like asking how should you invest 1mil $ when you don't have that kind of money

Questions to dudes who have sex often. Can you get temporary ED from too frequent sex?

I went on vacation to a place where prostitution is legal.I fucked escorts 5 days in a row, each time lasting about 40-50 minutes of nonstop jackhammering. No issues, fully hard. Prior to this I haven't had sex in 5 years.

Then, a day later, I got a girl from tinder, and I couldn't get hard. The dick would grow in size, but it wouldn't be fully hard. We took a 2h powernap, and I kinda managed to fuck her after that, but it still wasn't fully hard.

The following days I tried to get a boner by looking at porn, and, same story, it got big but not hard. What the hell?

>>33643908
:( why

>>33644001
I personally don’t care but women seem quick to brand labels on stuff. I have recieved irl interest from younger women, just never on apps since I don’t use them much

>>33644179
Older women demonize men dating younger women for very obvious reasons. Do what feels right to you, and banging 20 yos feels damn right

>>33644179
Men taking other men out of the dating pool

>>33643574
Go by the old adage half your age + 7

>>33644250
I agree it does feel right, especially with the baggage most women have these days
>>33644255
Explain?

>>33644271
Why? There’s no basis for this

>>33644271
>17 if you're 20
>22 if you're 30
>32 if you're 50
Ehh

>>33644303
IIRC it's called the French Rule and it was invented as a joke by an author who was making fun of roasties crying about men dating younger women. Like many such jokes, you find retards who started taking it seriously as a guideline.

Does the advice from the op also apply if I don't want just fuck random bitches in clubs but get one for life?

Are dating apps really the only option someone like me who doesn’t go out much have?
I was talking to a girl and her bio said she was a former chef/baker so I asked her to tell me about what she made, and said how I like to bake too. Then she just unmatches me.
Did I say too much at once? Also what dating app gives me the best odds?

>>33644402
>Are dating apps really the only option someone like me who doesn’t go out much have?
It's definetely helpful, I'd have real trouble getting dates without it since I don't have a social circle
>I was talking to a girl and her bio said she was a former chef/baker so I asked her to tell me about what she made, and said how I like to bake too. Then she just unmatches me.
Par of the course. On to the next one
>Also what dating app gives me the best odds?
Tinder is still king of the game, but get Bumble on the side too. Badoo works. Never tried Hinge

How do I propose sex to a female friend?
>She's 31, I'm 32
>She's autistic as fuck
>She got out of a long relationship
>We hangout at asian restaurants and weeb stuff
>She got her own place and car recently
She might be too autistic to give signals of interest so what should I do?

>>33644434
You’re planning to just out of the blue ask a friend who just got out of a relationship if they want to fuck?
Good luck but I’d rather play the lottery lmfao. Unless she’s just a giga slut she’s probably not thinking about sex. I’d just make sure you know you’re there for her (subtly) and progress that way.

>>33644441
Kinda what I was doing already.
But it's a man and a woman going on dates alone together, she has to get a clue already.
Why not ask her out of the blue

>>33644424
Hinge is king, tinder 2nd. Bumble is cool too, badoo gives weirdo vibes and mostly ugly women in my experience.

Private tutors are great for skills or knowledge that you can't learn or teach easily, such as advanced math, music, and singing.
Moreover, female private tutors are a great way to usher boys' healthy psychosexual development. At 13 I fucked my piano teacher for a whole year, and at 14 I did the same with my singing teacher. This did great wonders for my self-esteem and mental health. If you don't want your boys to grow up into cockblocked emasculated incels, there are many young beautiful female private tutors that can help you with that.

>>33644453
By dates do you mean hanging out with a friend? You may be seeing something different than she is; but hell, if you want confirmation I’d say go for it.
If she says no then you won’t have any “what if”s
If she says yes then cool
If I was you, I wouldn’t just ask it bluntly; id try to actually start a relationship. But again, you know her better than me, so the buck stops with you

>>33644453
>Why not ask her out of the blue
Sure, do that if you want to reduce your chances by 90% (unless you're a model)

How do I ask a random girl out without being awkward or weird?

>Be me, 25, 6ft, skinny but fixing it at the gym
>Live with mom cause country is ass, but got cash saved and can go out whenever
>People say I’m good looking but never had a gf that didn’t approach me first
>Last relationship was over 10 years ago
>Feelsbadman.jpg
>See qt3.14 on the train almost every day
>She’ll literally turn 180 and look straight at me
>Green eyes, absolute cutie
>Happened multiple times now
>Always with her female coworker, they talk most of the ride
>Had one chance to say something but completely chickened out
>Now I just sit there like an NPC every time

I have approached girls before but always when they were alone. What’s the move here?

>>33644495
Eh, she's not a looker.
>>33644485
I bet, it's just so lame. I want intimacy not friendship.
It's so easy to become an orbiter.

>>33644462
>badoo gives weirdo vibes and mostly ugly women in my experience.
Truth, I have no idea where it comes from. It's like Tinder for women not cure enough to be on Tinder

Met this German lady at a hostel solo travelling. I do it all the time, you may recognize me from posts like
>My french solo traveller gf dumped me
Anyway,
>Sit near a fit girl in athleisure, very fit, tan
>She looks at my direction at some point, I return the look, smile and compliment her glasses
>She immediately smiles back and asks if I want to try them on, very jovially
>We have a great Convo our eyes lingered on each other's pretty much non stop, she was touching me, I her. Hands, shoulders
>Her phone is blowing up
>Tells me she has to call her bf and Dad, but keeps talking to me
>I tell her she ought to call them
>She finally does, sits away and says sorry bc she didn't want them asking about me
>the call with her bf sounded a little stressed
>She gets up says goodnight to me and see you tomorrow
>I think she was looking at me a lot during her calls, but I never looked over
What do you think nigs? Shes not as hot as my ex, but has a great body.
I just know I've spoken to girls like this, very nice and touchy and eye locky but with boyfriends, it's very confusing. I could have offered to show her around tomorrow and try to elevate the touching but I have a feeling it'll be fruitless and even if I get fruit, I'll be cursed until karma plays out on me again as it did with my ex.
Unfortunately it's my best interaction with a female this and last week

>>33644434
You need to test the waters with some flirtation first to see if she’s interested.

>>33643440
It will probably cost extra, but see if you can use the campus gym and go during more normal hours

>>33644529
Ask for her number and watch her friend seethe of jealousy

>>33644703
>Tells me she has to call her bf
Don't be a nigger

>>33637998
>despite the 34-45 age range a few of the women were good looking. did not match this time but overall it's an ok experience, not degrading like the apps. and the reported "yes" rate for women was about 30%.
have you been living under a rock? We aren't in 1995 anymore. No half-decent man attends singles events or "speed dating" events today. Real ones try and find a traditional girl here or they go overseas like in Eastern Europe or Asia. Most women these days are so repulsive. Video related just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WWgrWLEOXU

>>33644529
>never had a gf that didn’t approach me first
women initiate relationships, not men. Remember this.
>She’ll literally turn 180 and look straight at me
those are women's hints that they want you to approach them or are open to being talked to.
>Had one chance to say something but completely chickened out
there is such a thing as a "Three Second Rule" where once the woman gives you the hints that she wants to be approached, you only have that time to decide if you want to do it. If you pass that time, you have lost your chance.
>Now I just sit there like an NPC every time
you might have lost your chance. But if she does it again, don't waste it and go say something. Just say something that would make her emotional- like laughing.
>every time I take this train, there is this smiling gremlin looking at me. Maybe she is trying to sell me something? What's your name?
then dont talk her ear off- get her contact info like Snap and leave. Then later use the contact to set up a date. Don't type paragraphs in text by the way, just use it for date setup.

>>33643574
>Is this acceptable in todays world?
No. But girls who date much older men are mentally illl so you shouldn't care cuz they don't give a shit. Just be careful and don't catch a gold digger.

>>33644876
>Eastern Europe or Asia
No dumbass, girls from Eastern Europe or Asia love your western passport but not personality.

>girl what work stops what she is doing and stares at me even when I'm not in her way
>sometimes will just stand beside me and turn to stare at me until I say something to her
Does she likes me or am I retarded?

Kind of a weird problem. I've only ever been able to attract online women (yes actual women) that want to meet me and have me like rape and use them for a week. Like they want me to just be ultra degenerate.

I don't want to be used for sex. I don't know how to either make these women into wives or attract wife material irl. I'm a virgin, I've never actually followed through with these things, I just tell them I won't have sex with them until marriage and they lose interest.

>>33643574
So many women that age automatically filter by a max age of 29, at least in the US

>>33643440
> I wanna try and have somewhat of a college life that i missed during undergrad at a shitty local school
Accept that there is no going back
I'd love to go back to college and grad school and break up with the shitty LTRs I had that mostly failed and be the fucking man, since girls were willing to hook up with me and I lost so many chances
Doesn't work like that. Yeah I'm single now but I'm a 33 year old man and it shows. I have my hair and I'm over 6' but chicks have a sixth sense and can tell I'm this no-fun grumpy business guy now instead of the fun carefree guy with tons of potential I used to be. Just how it is.
My advice to you, as someone who has a PhD, is just focus on getting that done ASA fucking P so you can finally start living in the "real world." If I could go back I'd drop out probably and get a real job making real money.

>>33645101
Western women now have their own money, they don't need an older man. They want a chad their age they can spend time with. A tiny minority still goes for older men because they really love fucking money or have mental health issues. That's the norm. Exceptions exist but they're exceptions for a reason.

>>33643287
Both of my brothers still live with my mom and they bring girls over all the time.

>>33644985
>Girls who date much older men are mentally ill
Sounds like projection. Also how is 10 years “much older”

>>33645143
>Western women have their own money
Yeah I’m sure there’s a bunch of 20 year old self made women…fucking retard

>>33645464
The life someone 20 and someone 30 experienced growing up are completely different.

>>33645586
Who gives a fuck? Can you not talk and socialize with other adult humans? By this logic I should never go for a 40 year old woman because she’s grooming ME at 30. Stupid roastie logic.

>>33645646
2 people age 30 and 40 have a lot more years in common relative to their age

>>33645665
No they don’t, retard. Stop infantilizing adult humans you freak. I bet you think onlyfans and sex work is “liberating”

I'm getting my skill back and it feels great. Each approach I do, I'm getting a little further each time and each approach is getting a little easier. I'm at that phase where I'm finding it pretty easy to get numbers during the day and occasionally getting the make out at night. I've got 1 fuck under my belt since my breakup a few months ago, 1 fuck I blew, and a few make outs, one with an unquestionable 10 although the rest were all attractive as well. The 10 was girlfriend material I think, but logistics blew that one. People are trying to hook me up with girls they know again as well which is nice.

What I'm noticing though just getting back into all of this is a difference in the social landscape that's jarring to me. Women so far have been way more forgiving and easier than they were a few years ago. There is a feeling that they want you to press the right buttons and are genuinely disappointed if you don't have game.

In the course of looking for new wings, men on the other hand seem to be having a lot of trouble. I don't know if that's dating apps, social media, or what, but there's a shitload of negativity coming from dudes that once upon a time would have been like "teach me" or "alright, let's work together." I made great friends that way, but now I'm not just solo, I feel like I'm almost better off solo - unless any of my old wings suddenly become single again - and that was never the case.

It's weird out there.

>>33644815
I work full time and commute, campus is an hour away and im there from 7-10pm.... no time. I wish i could though, 10/10s are everywhere.
>>33645118
I kinda already am living in the real world, I have a job in my degree field making 110k already. Ive never been that kinda fun guy anyway though so i guess it wasnt gonna work out anyway. Im only 29 and dont look that old, but everyone looked like they were still going through puberty. I guess ill get over it and move on

>>33645485
Not all of them. But there's plenty of women who I graduated with who are much more successful career wise than the men. Either that or they're single moms, no between

>>33646058
Ok and? Younger women fuck losers all the time too, and they fuck normal dudes, and they fuck successful dudes. It’s almost like young women out i. The real world don’t actually care and you’re just a retard who does

>>33646095
I forgot no one here has reading comprehension, my bad

>Walk past cute as fuck girl today wearing a beret (she was wearing the beret)
>Usually when I make eye contact with a girl it's just a glance and a glance away
>She looked and smiled
>Can't tell if she was only being polite
>Either way it felt like a missed opportunity

How the fuck do you just speak to people on the street bros?

>>33646672
It was a missed opportunity. The way that you speak to them on the street is you become more sociable. By that I mean you need to impulsively recognize shit to talk about. There are countless pathways you can go down from something like what you described...
"Look at you rockin the beret. You have to be an artist right?" If she delays like she's trying to answer the question in a way to impress you then you can soften it for her and go "it's okay, coloring books count."

"Hey you seem pretty worldly, my buddies and I are trying to try out a new bar around here, do you have any suggestions?" blah blah blah blah blah. "by the way I'm digging the African warlord look you're going for there." Delivery obviously counts, but you have to get good at bullshitting because it all starts with bullshit. It's also a bit like standup comedy in that you have to find your "voice" and you only find it by practicing and getting comfortable bombing.

You could have just been like "I'm autistic or else I'd love to talk to you." It probably wouldn't work, but it would have been better than forming a habit of feeding the impulse not to talk to women when they smile at you.

The worst sex ever is with the so called “baddie” cause she used to dudes worshiping her this she doesnt even know how to have sex but more so just lay there.

And if you never dated “bad” chicks then you are unaware of the headache they are plus how insecure they are. They only good for hitting and quitting.

This why my philoshpy is keep ot simple, when you have to over think shyt you already down bad.

I feel if dudes figure out how to get around chicks who share common interest (lets be real most dudes DONT have hobbies this is why even finding a place for dates is a struggle for them), that conquers 70% of the issue.

If you are among people with common interest it makes convo much easier thus you can gauge vibes and not come off as a 2002 PUA tryna remember what you read in a book lol

Missed another opportunity to meet someone in my class. I don't know if she was taking her time packing up, it usually doesn't take a minute to put away a notebook and phone while the room was already cleared. Then some other guy started talking to me for a few minutes.
Maybe I'm overthinking it or misrepresenting what she was doing, but I may have unintentionally cockblocked. Now I get to think about it for a week.

>>33641359
>Lift weights
I do so fairly regularly, I need to update my routine but I try to stay as fit as I can health wise.
No major chemical addictions either, thank goodness.

>Get a job
I've been trying to do so for a very long while, I had a contract job for a while that was helpful but since it ended I haven't had much luck.
I couldn't even find any short term causal gigs at the supermarket, liqueur store or the bar.
I've tried blue collar and white collar stuff.
Nothing concrete, still waiting.

I think I need to change up my strategies, I'm not sure what to do next.
My education doesn't seem to be helping much, I need to find a way to get more experience.

>Go outside and talk to people
I've been trying to do that more, it's a little hard to meet people without a consistent job/career.

Any advice for networking?

>match with someone
>photos in skiing helmet only, claims she's protecting her privacy
>"still figuring it out" tag
>no bio
>rather chatty, turns out she's divorced with one kid
>claims to be attractive, wants a video chat first through Tinder before meeting
I dunno what's this about

>>33649485
She has a kid.

>>33649485
Be a man in her life.

>>33649485
It's about people, men or women, being so variable that you can't fully appreciate how fucked up or stupid some of them can be at times. Go watch the black guy getting arrested Chuck E. Cheese and recognize there are plenty of women as stupid as that, but protected by a shell of beauty or Hell, even protected just by the promise of having pussy to maybe offer. You handle that the same way you'd handle a homeless guy shitting on a plate and trying to get you to buy it from him for $20. What you've presented there is as absurd.

What would you do if a girl ghosts you for one month and then after that just writes hi how are you and basically wanna meet up?
is the answer obvious? it is, right?

>>33650573
You have basically nothing to lose so you can really have fun with that. It's pure bonus. You treat it as practice and use protection if it comes to that.

>>33650579
huh... i guess, if you put it like that... i'm tempted to tell her to fuck off ego-wise but that's maybe a kneejerk reaction

>>33650619
Yeah I mean the most likely worst thing that can happen is you fuck her and then she goes "teehee I'm pregnant :)" and it's not yours, so wrap it up if it comes to that. Otherwise, you have any material you're working on? You want to practice calibrating? You want to practice getting the kiss? Hell, you want to just practice texting or even talking on the phone? She's your girl. I'm not saying punish her or be a dick deliberately. If you hit it off with her, that's fantastic. If you don't, it's practice for the girl you might hit it off with next.

>>33650699
>Yeah I mean the most likely worst thing that can happen is you fuck her and then she goes "teehee I'm pregnant :)"
uhhh yeah
that is actually why I originally walked away in the first place
kissing and all happened basically immediately already, mental shit
I don't trust her at all
fuck, nonono i must run

I'm gonna cross post this here where it fits a little better. Would women find it off putting if a guy has no close friends and mainly hangs out with family? I've slowly drifted away from my friends and am struggling to build new connections so as a result I'm a homebody. Also don't do a lot of the activities/sports I used to but still exercise regularly. Other than this and my lack of experience with women I wouldn't consider myself a loser, I regularly leave the house, go on cool vacations, have a decent job, etc. My family are all loners too so I feel it kind of rubbed off on me. Also I don't know where to meet girls, I see them out all the time at restaurants, grocery store, gym, etc. What should I do? I'm retarded and could use some examples.

>>33622117 (OP)
There's this girl who works at this pastry shop in my city, I like her and want to ask her out but I'm not sure how to go about it. Would it be best to try and build rapport by becoming a regular and striking up small conversations when I buy stuff, or should I just be upfront and ask her out next time I go there.
I also realise the inherent awkwardness of asking out a girl who's is working a job but 1) she is so beautiful I am willing to risk embarrassing myself and, as much as I ashamed to say, inconveniencing her, as I otherwise would regret it for the rest of my life if I didn't at least try 2) she works there alone and the shop doesn't get many customers but it's not like we're alone either as it's in a wide open market so it wouldn't be like I'm cornering her or whatever but it would still be not nearly as bad as if I asked her while waiting in line with her coworkers nearby.
I have met her once before when she was working at a Cafe I visited once. When she served me I was struck by her beauty and the quality of her service and I did notice she kept looking at me (Yes, I realise that might not mean anything). This is also part of the reason I want to ask her out now as I now I might not ever see her again and don't want to miss my chance.
Also I groom myself, wash regularly, dress nicely, and I would like to think I am at least a 7. My social skills aren't super great or anything but I can hold a friendly conversation and I'm not a completely antisocial autistic weirdo and I do get social cues. If she said no I would be perfectly fine with that.
I know I sound like a creep but I would greatly appreciate any help.

>>33652211
>she is so beautiful I am willing to risk embarrassing myself
Lol are you me? If so, I would personally be inclined to build a bit of rapport over 2-3 visits and then escallate the next time im there. Like first you briefly exchange names and what you do for a living, next time you ask her if she does things other than work at the bakery, third or fourth time you ask for her number or socials. Progressively make it more and more obvious that youre interested over the first visits so she wont be too caught off guard, hopefully making her more receptive. Once you clear that bar then you can ask her out outright

>>33637063
trash

>>33651809
There are a lot of ways to be attractive to women. If you're really family oriented you can spin that in a way that is palatable (and keep in mind the cooler your family is the less you need to spin it), especially if for example you really do in fact have a decent job, go on cool vacations, and are at least an average looking guy. Don't let it get in your head too much.

I have a social circle that is now scattered hours away in different directions, but for example my cousin and I can also hit up places and absolutely destroy and the fact we're cousins only makes women more interested for some reason. I would guess because we're both decently attractive guys, both successful, etc. so women see at least on a subconscious level "oh 2/2 on the genetics."

So again, don't let the "family as your social circle" issue get in your head or make you insecure. What you need to do is start building a life a woman would want to be a part of. That's your bait. Get out and do some shit. Go to an art museum, go to a show, go on a hike, whatever fits the identity you want to convey. Do shit even if it's alone. It's going to be hard at first, but get in the habit of doing shit and exploring life.

As for meeting women, "doing shit" can help with this, but if you can't approach and you can't be social with a stranger, you're going to fall into that zone where you may be surrounded by beautiful women, but too afraid to say a word to them and then you beat yourself up mentally or rationalize your inaction. Eventually you have to get out of your head and approach or wait for a girl to fall in your lap, or use dating apps.

Personally, I approach. You fail with 50 for the sake of the 500 successes you'll have down the line. You build an identity so that you aren't just saying dumb affirmations in your head or using self-help shit, you are in fact living an undeniably "cool" life and it should give you the confidence to talk with women and laugh off rejection.

>>33652211
Biggest issue I see is that you've already pedestalized this girl. So let me try to set that straight first, it will help...This girl hasn't earned your interest yet. She's attractive. A lot of girls are. She might have had a gangbang a month ago. She might shit her pants frequently. Bottom line is she hasn't earned this caution you have towards her. She's beautiful. Big deal. She's still just a regular human being.

>My social skills aren't super great or anything but I can hold a friendly conversation and I'm not a completely antisocial autistic weirdo and I do get social cues.
That should be good enough to build rapport over a few visits, but you have to keep her off a pedestal or you're going to overthink this shit and you'll psych yourself out. Every time you walk in it will be like "okay this is visit number 2, I have to have enough rapport by visit number 5!" or something like that. You don't want to fall into that trap. Go, chat her up, have fun, feel it out. You should also find at least one other girl and be chatting her up as a side project while you work on this one.

>>33652385
Thanks anon, but wouldn't it be off putting that I don't have a social life? What do I tell women if asked?

I have a girlfriend, only she doesn't know it yet.

>>33652965
Just be honest, they won't be THAT put off

>>33652965
The reality is that few girls are going to look at you and be like "wow, it's really cool that you have no social life." Dating is an inherently social activity and women in general are social. Social skill leads to social life. Social SKILL...that is to say something that can be practiced and developed. So I would encourage you to do that.

1. Get out and do shit that builds an identity you can be confident and comfortable with. You really have to learn to be comfortable in your skin and in your life. You should get to a point where your steps feel light. Like you're walking on clouds. Where you aren't in your own head all the time. You're just living.
2. Actually socialize with people. Getting out is great. There's beautiful women all over. Most of them masturbate at least once a week. Most of them like to get fucked. Most of them are looking for a guy that excites them and it can be some jester-maxing douche bag that will steal money out of their wallet or it can be you, someone better.

The main thing though is that being surrounded by women you don't talk to is like having a million dollars in your bank account that you can't invest or spend. You need to get out and do shit and socialize. If it helps, read a bunch of books on body language, rapport building, etc., but you'll still eventually have to put it into action. It's your life though, customize it, take charge of it. If you're living righteously enough, you will find other people doing the same. You'll also find a lot of shit heads. It's part of the game and it's why you can't take it too seriously or personally. It's just onto the next. Keep getting better.

>>33653238
All of that being said, that's just my philosophy. You could always lie and some would even encourage you to do that and say make it as elaborate and goofy as you can. "Well, I used to be a lot more social, but I was shunned from the Amish community I was a part of [elaborate lie]." You could also just say fuck it and try to boost every trait besides a social life. The Batman Approach as we call it. In practice though, that's probably harder than just sucking it up and making friends.

Should I start bringing flowers to first dates with girls or is that too much?

I'm really stumped why I am so shit at holding conversations with women, even in a non-romantic setting. I can talk to guys just fine, I bring something up, they respond, I respond back, you know like a human. Women are not giving me that at all.
If I want to improve my conversational skills I need some kind of positive signal.

>>33653779
Too much. First date should be as simple and low effort as possible. Just drink coffee or wine and see if there's any chemistry

I'm in a long distance relationship with a female and while we were seeing each other but before we became exclusive, she was seeing another guy and fucked him at the same time she was doing that with me. Should I break up with her?

>>33653849
One one side that's lowkey disgusting but on the other side she's racist just like me, where else am I gonna find a racist woman?

>>33653849
What is the issue here?

>girl wants a phone call before first date
>talks for 3 (three) hours straight
Damn bro

How would I know when is the right moment to tell a girl that I like her and if she wanted to go out with me?

>>33654259
immediately after you've got to know each other?

>>33623629
@grok is this true?

>>33654289
That's the thing, everyone tells me that a bad idea, that I should wait longer "for the right moment"

>>33654323
>the right moment
and how do think that moment looks like?

>>33654323
>the right moment
and how do you think that moment looks like?

>>33654348
I don't know.

Maybe when I can comfortably talk about anything with her, and when I don't have to tiptoe when talking to her.

Look, I know it might sound that I know her since yesterday, but no. I also know that it might destroyed the friendship I have with her but I can stand seeing her and not telling how I feel about her.

>>33654358
wait, so you're friends? for how long?

>>33654323
Everyone is wrong then. You could do a little 2x2 game theory chart. On Y she either is attracted to your or not, and on X you ask her immediately or play the long game.
>she likes you and you ask early
You'll both be thrilled
>she likes you but you take forever to ask her
Good chance she'll have moved on and will have looked for other options
>she doesn't like you and you ask early
You avoid wasting eachothers time
>she doesn't like you and you take forever to ask
You've wasted both of your time, you've been friend zoned, and and the relationship has been ruined

Asking early is the most optimal desu

>>33654365

2 years

>>33654367

That is what I thought before I got trick into thinking that asking as early as possible was me being desperate

>>33654371
>I also know that it might destroy the friendship
you know what else might destroy your friendship? her finding a boyfriend
btw does she have one?

>>33654371
Kek

>>33654374
>>33654390
Yeah at this point just brave up and ask her, and prepare for the worst. Learn your lesson for next time and ask a gril out as soon as possible

>>33653238
>You really have to learn to be comfortable in your skin and in your life
NTA.
That's an impossible task for me.

>>33653238
>>33653251
Thanks for the reply anon, I'm not interested in lying so I suppose I'll have to work on my social skills and get out there more. Any recommendations where to start?

>>33654390

No, she does not have one

>>33654606
I'm not reading the reply chains but if you want to get better at talking to women then you should talk to more women. Go swipe on dating apps and ask them out on a coffee date without any further expectations than just some practice.

>>33654525
What makes you say that

>>33654867
I haven't had any luck with dating apps, my profile usually sucks and I don't exactly know what to put to make it good

>>33655128
Plenty of advice on tiktok.

>>33654606
You start by saying hi and ejecting, then let yourself think about whether there was anything you could have said after that. Even trying to think about stuff you could have said will exercise that part of your brain to be more alert in the moment. "Hi" is also really easy to eject from.

You just say hi or hey or whatever and keep going. If you can't do that, you aren't even crawling yet. You aren't even out of the womb yet. But that's useful information. You need to objectively figure out what's wrong that you can't say one syllable to a pretty girl you see.

If you don't have any trouble saying hi, after enough times you should find yourself not even bothering with hi and just making an observation or comment about her or the shared situation or context. You'll actually get restless from saying "hi" and nothing else. Eventually, you just won't give a shit and to break your boredom, you'll follow up and that's where the real fun begins.

If you need to, make yourself look good, then drive an hour away. If you need to, only do it to fat girls at first or old ladies. If you're decently attractive, you might even harvest some confidence out of this if you walk past a pretty girl and say "hey" and she says it back in that "aren't you going to say anything else?" sort of way.

The difference between you and a guy that knows what he's doing is first, he will be able to say "hey" to any girl he wants without having a panic attack AND THEN second, follow it up and just start talking and being interesting. And he can typically do that because he doesn't give as much of a shit as you do and because he actively makes his life interesting.

I'm saying all of this under the assumption your grooming is in order and you don't look like a sideshow freak. If everything is in order in that area, there's nothing you mentioned stopping you from being great other than yourself.

>Yeah I'm going out with a friend tonight so I'll talk to you tomorrow anon
It's over bros

>>33646927
I'm 30 and I feel for the "good at sex= whore" mentality. I'm seeing a 20 yo, and the sex is terrible. Just lays there, doesn't know how to do shit (only been with 2 other dudes, fucked each 1 time) and plus she has a vaginismus(shut pussy). The head was bad. Doesn't know how to stroke a cock. Plus she has zero tits. She's a good kisser. That's fucking it.
I've never dated girls over 22, and but they were all pretty bad at sex. I know because I've seen porn and I've gotten escorts.
I don't fully agree with you, because my ltr gf was hot, with big tits, despite star fishing. But I think if you are a "baddie" you can star fish, because your hot body is doing most of the lifting. What I don't get is fucking mid women just laying there, specially when the pussy is fucking trash. Fuck outa here...

>girl I'm seeing
>already fucked on the 2nd date at her house
>"you never took me out for dinner!"
>(I didn't have to lol)
>let's get ice cream after dinner?
>" I'm having dinner at my aunt's and then I scheduled going out, but I can cancel and we can go get ice cream :) "
> she knows I'm against girls in relationships going clubbing with their girlfriends, but we're not in a relationship thank God.
>np we will do something another time.
>" so are we getting ice cream tonight?"
>no , I'm going to rest.

I don't want to hang out with her. I tried seeing her but I'm actually more unhappy then when I was "single". I do believe the biggest thing is the fact she's flat chested. I like everything else about her, but I just can't feel any attachment. Whenever I see a girl with big tits I'm reminded of what my type is, and how unhappy I am for trying to make it work with a flat chested girl. The only "long" relationship I had (1year) was with a big tittied girl. I guess you can't fake this. Now I'm wondering how I can break it up with her, without hurting her, but since she has trauma with her sexuality and I don't want to make her think it's because of her trash shut pussy, which has apparently made guys leave her quick in the past. Maybe I should try having sex with her a few more times? believe it or not, I don't really care, because it's more of a chore than anything.
btw, I'm >>33655752.

>>33649485
>implying you willfully swiped on this person

>matched girl on tinder
>Chat a bit
>She's busy can't meet for a while
>Slow replies
>Eventually arrange virtual date
>Chat, goes well
>Arrange real date
>Goes well, chat for 3 hours, just about each other
>Part with a slight hug
>She wants to meet again
>Have to wait a couple of weeks for schedules to sync

Ok anons, how do I make second date move from nice friendly chat, and start to get some physical going? She's shy and sweet, don't expect sex on second date, but hand holding, a kiss at the end. That's my goal here.

She's into history, but not sure if she's done all the museums already. Could just do dinner again, but feel sitting across from each other might just end up as friendzoned as we haven't moved from that level.

>>33656453
Make the second date more intimate, cook for her and or do a movie night. Tie the kitchen apron for her, place your legs over her legs while watching the movie on your couch. If that's not possible, plan a romantic stroll, hold her hand while you walk, you're on a second date you don't need to ask consent to simply hold her hand. You already said you're not expecting sex so there's nothing to lose.

How to I reconcile the fact that I’m a boring quiet guy that loves to stay in and read of watch movies with the other fact that I need to put myself out to meet women

>>33656526
You don't. Lean into the shit anon, go to book clubs, writer's workshops if you write, film clubs, theaters to watch plays or small indie films. You have to repeatedly show your face and let people know that you're open to conversation and have a genuine interest and passion for what you're interested in. Find online spaces to talk about film and literature, there are women users on these site. Take a curious approach and don't engage in flame wars and e-peen measuring, if you're pleasant and fun, and informative, and inviting to talk to online, then those public messages turn into dms and then they turn into texts and then face to face conversations. Also you should simultaneously work on improving your looks (weight, clothes, hygiene, hair) and lowering your standards on looks, everyday women are already not that good looking and doubly so for women interested in books and movies and staying in to read and watch them. Instagram baddies are a very rare sight at book clubs.

My time, sons

>>33656501
Either you are a woman, or your father didnt raise you fully. You are giving advice for female-style affection

>>33656453
You are already out. Paralyzed by your fears, for weeks you pretend to be a friend. You are literally training her nervous system not to desire you sexually. You are not her therapist, you are not her friend, you are not her safe space. You are a busy man, conquering life, who happens to want her sexually. What stops you is your fear of rejection, of not being loved for going for what you want. Sit with this thought for a while, next time act like a man, not like a nice asexual friend

>>33656526
You are neither boring, nor quiet. You travel through books and movies to the depth of fascinating insights and wild adventures. You want that

If right now I would kidnap you to travel, to move, to explore, to live, you will have resistances and limitations. Then you will slowly bloom into it, having exciting adventures of your own in hour body, not behind the words on pages or images on the screen

Start making new choices of exploring the world around you, step by small step

>>33653779
Ots not too much if you are being a rake. Shining to matter what, enjoying spreading abundance. If you bring flowers as a bribe, you will suffer later

>>33644703
No, bad. Wrong direction

Date fully single, fully available women. Otherwise you will be heartbroken at best, and physically injured at worst

You can do beter. Overcome temptation,

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