Thread 33636660

Anybody? I keep getting obsessed with women I see online because I can't meet any in real life (and am about 100 pounds too heavy to feel comfortable approaching any if I could). How do I overcome the desire for women?

take the AI/fictional Waifu pill. i was interested in a girl once when i was 13. i never had any desire to pursue women since. it also helps that i'm naturally introverted and dislike being around people in general.

>>33636660 (OP)
Stop using the internet for pleasure.

>>33636660 (OP)
Literally unironically actually seriously put down the fork boyo. Get. In. The. Gym. Now.

>>33636660 (OP)
Who is this semen demon?

>>33636701
HaeSicks.

>>33636660 (OP)
>should I stop stuffing my face every waking second so I feel better about myself and don't kill my body by drowning it in lard? All with moderate effort in a reasonable timespan?
>nah, I will just ask the internet for a way to figuratively castrate myself instead

And this, everyone, is why fat fucks are looked down upon.

>>33636740
Yeah I know what you're saying, but even if I were thin I wouldn't be able to meet women anyway. That's my main point.

>>33636745
>but even if I were thin I wouldn't be able to meet women anyway

honestly sounds like cope. I wasn't nearly as fat as you, but losing the weight made a world of difference.
First remove the initial blockage of being fat, then you can think about your next steps re:women.

>>33636762
>honestly sounds like cope.
It's not. I live in the middle of nowhere and hell, it's 2025, who has the money to move? I'm stuck living at home at an advanced age.

>>33636685
I discovered dungeonAI from this site and I spent like a week straight there just creaming my pants (precumming non-stop).

Literally interacting with any hint of a sexual scene did that. I don’t precum that easily getting frisky and chatting with girls in rl. There’s something sick and evil about AI roleplaying. It hacks too deep.

Don’t go near that shit. It’s not good for you.

>>33636777
OP here, I hate AI shit so I'd never be in danger of falling for it.

>>33636777
i would agree. considering it has greatly increased my procrastination to the point where i have been neglecting my hobbies for awhile now. all my free time just goes straight to AI shit. i can't break the addiction, though.

>>33636660 (OP)
I was 80 pounds overweight, which is a lot for a 170cm tall guy (5"7)
I decided to start eating healthy, then later added workout. This Jan I was 233 pounds, now I'm 198, I still need to get to at least 154 to be considered healthy.

Even while being fat,I started attending meetups from meetup.com, where I met ladies consistently and constantly.
This month I started dancing, singing, and acting by joining a bachata and salsa dance class and the rest are hobby groups. I did all this through concentrated effort and looking up where I can possibly have fun, expressive hobbies, that have women in them.

I definitely notice a change from when I was huge, in how people treat me. The wait to lose the weight - fucking sucks. But at some point, you really get addicted to it.

You'll meet women through meetups, and not only will you meet women - you'll learn that showing to others that you don't expect anything is the way to win. That's how you get interested people to naturally gravitate to you.
It's much nicer, and makes for better relationships.

I still have a way to go, I'm not even half way through, half way would be at 194 pounds. And it took me 3/4th of the year to get here. My face is starting to look normal ish, but I'm still fat. Though to the girls who straight dismissed me before I am now "meh", and to the girls who I'm their taste - I'm actually interesting.
This is a total contrast from being invisible previously, and being dismissed by some girls as if I'm disgusting.

This is all based on a true story and true journey from this year. I started to lose weight in Jan, and I started to go to meetups end of Mar. I believe that you can do it friend. My advice is to start with hiking meetups - walking in nature is awesome. Healthy, people are friendly, and no one is going to be mean to you. If you don't feel socializing u can always focus on the walk, but people will naturally find you interesting, and you'll feel good

Keep it up man, you got this!

>>33636838
Thanks, anon. I really appreciate your story. I'm 5'9" and 265, so in pretty rough shape. I keep binge eating rather than sticking to a diet and/or fasting schedule and I always find excuses. It's a real mental illness on my part that I keep hoping to overcome.

>>33636660 (OP)
You can, you just wont have anything above a 7/10 and that's okay. Tell me it matters that she isn't a 10 when she's swallowing your cum.

>>33636762
nta but im 6ft and skinny, girls still dont care about me. maybe im just ugly

>>33636660 (OP)
Internalize the fact that 3/5ths of all men that have ever walked the planet, never reproduced and that most western women are so feminized and brainwashed with marxist/socialist doctrine that they not only can't recognize that they are mostly mid at best. But that they aren't attracted to the average man that would be good for them in the long run and would give them a decent marriage and family. After you come to reality and see how disgusting the average woman is, you won't want to even be near them. They're just egotistical children with far more privileges than they deserve, voting being the most dangerous one they use to erode society.

>>33636992
>nta but im 6ft and skinny, girls still dont care about me. maybe im just ugly
*Sigh* go to the gym and get a good job, faggot. Stop being lazy and do something with your life.

>>33637019
i do all that, idk whats wrong with me desu

>>33637010
>3/5th of men have never reproduced
Giga cope

>>33637010
>Internalize the fact that 3/5ths of all men that have ever walked the planet

Bullshit broscience. The data taht argument is based form was an artifical "bottleneck" created by societies that allowed wealthy and powerful men to hoard women. Take the Inca, where the Inca himself incarcerated up to 10.000 women in specialized fortresses as "ives, and his ministers each several thousand as well. This also lead to the collapse of the Inca civilazion, as the Portuguese only needed to tell the Peruvian peasnats that each man marries one woman under Christianity to get overrun with more than willing converts.
None of those societies had any staying power whatsoever, and locking that man men out of sex required a herculean effort and plenty of violence to keep both men and women in line.
Never mind that this had fuck all to do with attraction, the women were generally jsut bought or seized and thrown in a Harem, no choice on their side at all.

Who does get thrown out of the gene pool are the bottom 10%, among which you clearly belong. And since you shoudl absolutely not ever be allowed to raise a child, that is unironically a good thing.

>>33637050
Do you actually show your sexual desire to women? Are you interesting to be around? Do you have social skills? All far more important than a "good job", thats only relevant to attract golddiggers.

>>33637094
>Bullshit broscience
Tldr. If you want actual stats, go out and ask around. We have an extreme version of paredo principle playing out in real time and women have ALWAYS been hypergamous as fuck. 2/5 of all men reproducing is generous as fuck of an estimate, and any AVERAGE man can see that it's easily objective fact. Fuck your bottleneck, because of the extreme population boom we've had in the last century, of my statement isn't true now, it will be in the next 30 years.

>>33636740
No they're looked down upon because they look and smell disgusting. Retard.

>>33637094
now that i think about it its prob cuz im not that interesting

>>33636660 (OP)
Since nobody else will, i'll give you a serious response as a 35m that's been single forever and hasn't minded.

1. imagine yourself in a relationship. do this seriously, picture how your typical day goes, where the girl will add positives and where she will add negatives. say you fuck her for 15 minutes or whatever, what happens during the other 8 hours? will it enhance your life or will it drag you down and reduce your freedom?
2. observe people you know, your age, not boomers, that are in relationships. ask yourself if you really envy them. check if, when the guy is talking about his partner, if he's saying good things or complaining. for me i found it was the latter more often than not (complaining about reduced freedom, for the most part)
3. read the stats on relationships, dating, and marriage. look at the divorce rates, look at women's attitudes on the apps, etc. appreciate how badly the odds are stacked against not just you, but even "desirable" men.
4. get an onahole, use it, realize how little it matters that "it feels better than your hand". likewise, you can go for a hooker, and realize how not a big deal it all is.
5. envisage that progress in AI has a solid chance to fill this void for you, in 2, 5, 10 years. it won't matter that it isn't real, trust me, it just has to be good enough.
6. think of the monks, i guarantee you those motherfuckers are happier than any of us, and they don't get poon. mind over matter.

life-long monogamy is a thing of the past, we have to accept that for most of us, it is over.

>>33636660 (OP)
It's a biological imperative. It's like asking how to transcend hunger when you're starving to death. Idk, don't think about it I guess.

>>33638164
>life-long monogamy is a thing of the past, we have to accept that for most of us, it is over.
But why?

>>33636710
Ty

>>33636660 (OP)
Some tips from a stone cold volcel who regularly has to turn away women at bars.

Consider the fact that you are going to die and that these women will likely not help you achieve your goals, at least in the short term.

Consider how much time and energy it takes to handle toe complications that arise from competing in the social arena for women, even if it's just flings or whatever.

Consider that on the whole women do not really like men much at all and their form of attraction is much closer to temporary insanity and that they likely aren't even that attracted to super fit guys or whatever, they really don't like you much.

Consider the risk reward ratio with STDs

Consider how much money it takes to even go to a bar or whatever these days

Consider that if things got serious you'd be sharing everything you own with this person.

Consider the worst moments of your parents mairrage, compare them to the best you witnessed. That's the rub. That's what you're getting.

If after considering all these things you still need them then go to the gym you fucking fatass. Or don't, women can love heavy guys if you're funny. Only retards on this board think otherwise.

>>33639160
You make good points, anon. I'm nearly your age and have never had sex or a real relationship, however, so I can't help but glamorize it all in my head and feel like I'm missing out even though I have friends who have gotten burnt on women and are taking a break from them.

>>33639205
You're in a different situation then. You absolutely need to fuck at least one woman one time. This is not, as most retards here would tell you, impossible. You need a barometer for what relationships are like before you swear them off or whatever, that's your issue. You should dedicate all of your focus now into getting that experience before it's too late, cause that will fuck up your life in whole different ways. Consider it a game you're playing, you're grinding level one slimes. Go fuck a level 1 slime. If you're in college go to every single event you can, get drunk and go to bars every night until you've done the deed at least once, then re evaluate. Completely eliminate whatever retarded mental barriers you've placed on yourself and your assumptions about women. So long as you don't pursue them after they say no, and so long as you are in the appropriate environment (bars and clubs and some parties) women will not bite your head off for asking them to dance or buying them a drink or whatever. Also you have no idea how old I am.

>>33639217
Ah, sorry, I was getting you mixed with a guy who replied earlier who said he was 35, lol. My mistake. Thanks for the advice.

>>33639222
*mixed up

Bump

>>33639160
>Consider the worst moments of your parents mairrage, compare them to the best you witnessed. That's the rub. That's what you're getting.

Or mayb,e maybe you don't repeat your parents relationship? I find that most peopel who have trouble with the other gender simply had terrible role models in their childhood. People instincitively take their parents relationship as a blueprint for what things between women and men look like. However, the average "together for the kids/please no official divorce" marriage common among Boomers just sets a terrible example.
You attract what you give, so if your expect from women that you have to "compete" with them or to be obnoxious sexless nags in a relationship, then you will tolerate that behaviour from women instead of filtering out those who are like that and focussing one women that actually enrich your life.

>>33636660 (OP)
lose 100lbs

>>33640203
I think anon is implying that relationships generally go bad regardless of how good a foundation there was.

>>33639109
>But why?
Because monogamy in humans can only happen when there are external forces to restrict our animalistic drives. These forces include religious pressure, limiting women's freedoms, and just general adversity (including inter-nation competition like war).

These are all absent now. Women have everything handed to them, cushy useless office jobs that pay well, instant access to dozens of high-value men. If they don't "need" average men, they are not going to be involved with them.

The reason we still see some of these successful relationships today is mostly a product of inertia. People see their parents, couples on TV, and they think "this could be me too." So it will take some time to truly fizzle, but it will. So if you are celibate, consider yourself a pioneer of the new paradigm, you're just ahead of the curve that everybody is going towards.

>>33640347
Another thing is that in long lasting relationships, people stayed together because THEY HAD TO. Marriage was a respected contract and everybody understood that once you're in it, you are stuck with it.

Now that doesn't mean that these relationships are unhappy. Precisely because you know that you can't change that situation, you adapt to it, you learn to like the other person. What choice do you have? And I guess many succeeded in learning to accept the other person.

Today, the first little thing you don't like, you can decide to fuck off and try again with somebody else who might not have that defect. At least if you're a woman, you have an unlimited supply of men at your disposal at no cost to you. With no external pressure to maintain the relationship, there is no reason not to shop around.

>>33636660 (OP)

By finding something else that gives you a sense of purpose. That's the root of your desire for women. If it was a pure animal lust thing you'd be a whoremonger that pays for it.

The happiest permavirgins I've ever met were Magic the gathering judges. They travel a lot, run events, and get purpose from being actively contributing to their community. Most of the eventually end up with women eventually. If you crave sex then pay for it, if you crave purpose build it.

>>33640367

There's a reason wedding guests are called "Witnesses", and there's a reason all your friends and family are invited. It was to set things up for maximum social consequences if you couldn't hold it together. People haven't changed, the consequences have just disappeared.

>>33640367
>Marriage was a respected contract and everybody understood that once you're in it, you are stuck with it.

It was also an entirely pragmatic contract conculded exclusively for economic reaons, which was also uinderstood by everyone at the time. Marriage has NOTHING to do with love or sex, that was never its purpose. It was in fact widely tolerated to have affairs or visit brothels for exactly that reason, because your economic marriage partner may not be a godo match romantically.

>>33640347
>limiting women's freedoms
You cvompletely overlook that NO ONE had freedoms in the old societal model. Both men and women were cast into fixed and strictly limited roles they had to fulfill no matter what, any deviation from atht was punished for both genders. Men didn't have a choice whom they married either.

>If they don't "need" average men, they are not going to be involved with them.
Ist sad that you think so low of yourself that you believe you have to blackmail a woman to be together with you. Of course average women still need average men for compansionship and love - but taht means you cannot be boring, complacent, fat or a bad fuck.

>At least if you're a woman, you have an unlimited supply of men at your disposal at no cost to you.
Utterly delusional. That "unlimited supply" consist often of mostly creeps, weirdoes and uggos.

>>33640395
>People haven't changed, the consequences have just disappeared.

Ist nto jsut "consequences" that have disappeared, but the reason for the entire thing is gone alltigether. Marriage was a way to order inheritance lines in an agrarian society, where every person needs to be assigned to a plot of land or an inheritable trade in order to survive and not end up as a homeless vagrant.
Obviously our society no longer works like that , so forcing people to form fixed inheritance lines is not needed any longer.

>>33640411
>Of course average women still need average men for compansionship and love
followed by
>Utterly delusional. That "unlimited supply" consist often of mostly creeps, weirdoes and uggos.
witness the roasty's cognitive dissonance on full display. those creeps, wierdos, and uggos? that's average men, lass. you're a hole so you don't understand bell curves, but that is how it is. so no, women do not need or want average men, but no amount of rationalizing will make them understand that there isn't enough top men for all of them.

>>33636942
np man, I'm glad I could help

>>33640415
maybe at the very start, but eventually its purpose became "make sure every guy at least has a chance at reproducing". otherwise these guys cause a lot of trouble at worse, and at best contribute little to society, like we are seeing now with so called "manchildren" or whatever.

it's unfortunate that most cannot find meaning in things like creation or just peaceful existence, and HAVE to nut in a bitch to feel fulfilled, but it is the reality we live in.

currently we no longer really need the productivity of all of these men due to automation and the state of global peace, so all we really need is to pacify them with porn and entertainment. maybe for the first time in history, we have the circumstances that could allow this reproductive model to function in the long term.

>>33640426
>that's average men
Average men are just average. But a lot of them are taken/not interested as well so in ultimately limited supply. The only guys of which there is an unlimited supply are the dregs, for obvious reasons.

>>33640440
>but eventually its purpose became "make sure every guy at least has a chance at reproducing"
No Idea where that retardation comes from. Also, women would simply cheat with chad if they didn't like their assigned man, where do you think "Alpha fucks, Beta bux" comes from? Theres nothing keeping anyone from simply cheating, its commong even in societies that go fully retard over it like the muzzies. ther human sex drive is simply far too strong a force to be contained by limp wristed laws or societal rules.
Wherth a man reproduces or not is wholly irrelevant to society, it is only relevant that any children are assigned to an inheritance line so they don't end up without a societal place and fly around as loose elements bringin disorder.
The main purpose of societal rules is to ensure order, not to protect the individual.
And, btw, men back then would cover up their women cheating as well. Because guess what, if you think getting branded a slut in public was a social death sentence, try to be known as a cuckold. So men would voluntarily rear other mens children in fear or social reprisal. You should be thankful every day that you are not living in a society like this any more, an incel like you would be blackmailed and nagged into complete submission by every woman he is forcibly married to.


>that most cannot find meaning in things like creation or just peaceful existence, and HAVE to nut in a bitch to feel fulfilled,

Pure projection by someone who cannot get laid. Once you have sex with a desirable partner regularly , you will find out it isn't all that important after all. Its great, but absolutely possible to live without it if that is necessary. And certainly not a requirement to "feel fulfilled".

>>33640469
it has nothing to do with sex, it has to do with society's definition of "making it" which has been, so far, to buy a house and raise a family. this is where the meaning comes from. sex by itself will not make you feel fulfilled, like you say, but it is a precursor to the family dream. so like it or not, the man that is not having sex still has no path to fulfillment, and will be restless, resentful, and unwilling to contribute to society.

>Average men are just average. But a lot of them are taken/not interested as well so in ultimately limited supply.
this is false and you know it. you can know it by observing the celibate statistics or just doing the experiment yourself by creating a girl profile on any of the apps. you will have 100 matches from average men within the hour. your problem is you don't understand what average means because, like all women, you think 80% of men are below average. it's not your fault, you're wired that way.

>>33640415

You wouldn't need a big ass ceremony with all your friends and family present if that was the case. I'm specifically talking about the wedding event, not marriage as a legal construct.

Quite frankly, I'd see it as a red flag if a woman didn't want a giant fucking wedding with 100+ guests. You should want make a big a deal about it as you can and broadcast it far and wide.

>>33640862
goodest goy keen to spend tends of thousands on the bloated marriage industry

>>33640936
Normal people like to celebrate big milestones and life events with friends and family. You would understand that if anyone cared about you.

>>33640936

Maybe if you're a retard. I'm active in my church so the venue was free. Everyone was so excited to hear about it that they pitched in to help cook/DJ/Set up/tear down. Total cost was around $2,500 for 150 guests.

It's about number of guests, not luxury bullshit.

>>33640512
>this is false and you know it. you can know it by observing the celibate statistics or just doing the experiment yourself by creating a girl profile on any of the apps. you will have 100 matches from average men within the hour. your problem is you don't understand what average means because, like all women, you think 80% of men are below average. it's not your fault, you're wired that way.
OP here, I tried dating apps when I was about 30 pounds thinner and it was a horribly depressing waste of time. Made me borderline suicidal because I had three apps going for two weeks and got zero matches.

>>33636660 (OP)
>How do I overcome the desire for women?
>and am about 100 pounds too heavy to feel comfortable approaching any if I could

You have your answer, lose the weight or get comfortable with it and start talking to girls.

jack off to incest porn in the quietness of your room, buy a pocket pussy, smoke weed and jack off, try prostate stimulation, become a true degen.

>>33640512
>which has been, so far, to buy a house and raise a family
Precisely, has been. ALl teh peopel I konw who did that because of obsolete societal expectations are miserable as all hell and feel trapped. Because this is something you do if you genuinely want it. Also I can understand wanting a family, but I will never get why it has to be a house specifically, nothing wrong with a rented apartment. It makes Master Shekelberg at the bank very happy, but certainly not the people who are now in debt bondage for 30 years over an outrageous amount.

>the man that is not having sex still has no path to fulfillment, and will be restless, resentful, and unwilling to contribute to society.

Again, pure projection. Also "contributing to society" is not really a thing anymore, the vast majority are doing useless make believe email jobs in offices. The average employee is doing nothing of any use to wider society.

>on any of the apps
Ah, yes. No incel argument without referencing those mythical apps. In whcih less than 10% of all people participate with falling numbers. Where the male/female ration is about 10 to one. Where algorithms subtly influence "matches" to make sure that nobody really finds a relationship through them so they remain as paying custoemrs on the app.
Start citing examples from real life and I may believe you.As it stands, all incel talking points are based on some for-profit apps run by extremely dodgy corporations that keep most of the data hidden.

>you will have 100 matches from average men
"Average men" are not on these apps anymore. Perhaps ten years ago, when they barely ran any algorithms. Nowadays, you need to eitehr live very rurally or be an absolute bottom of the barrel loser or sperg to participate in this garbage.

>>33640512
>you think 80% of men are below average. it's not your fault, you're wired that way.

And btw , I'm a guy. I just hate to see easily influenced men get dragged down by your garbage and start believing they cannot get laid.
I used to blieve that, and this site saved my ass many years ago by telling me to talk to women instead of dragging myself down. I absolutely hate, hate hate that its been taken over by incels trying to destroy men instead.

>>33636660 (OP)
>wish I had a gf
>interact with women
>remember that they're awful
>avoid interacting with women
>forget that they're awful
>wish I had a gf
And so the cycle goes

I wish I was a Chad that could get easy casual sex and FWBs so I could use women as the talking sex toys they are and avoid dealing with the bullshit they bring with them in actual relationships.

>>33642273
>e and avoid dealing with the bullshit they bring with them in actual relationships.

Have you tried simply not tolerating any bullshit ? Have you tried simply saying no and looking for abetetr woman when some bitch tries to use sex to tie you into a relationship you don't really want?
Because thats what Chads do.
Your looks only influence the league of which women you wil have casual sex with, not whether you get to do it at all.

>>33636660 (OP)
You wait to die
Simple as that anon

>>33636777
And I'm here being able to talk to AI only about extremely abstract concepts
A bit of advice
Don't ever look what's behind the veil you will lose every single thing that makes you happy
You will see clear as day the mechanism behind everything all at once
Stay to safe AI roleplay never ever look what's beyond simple reality
Try asking the AI this for example:
Are you familiar with the concept of meaning creates consciousness and consciousness creates existence?
Have fun or rather don't
You have been warned
Anon out

Oh yeah, if you want to lose desire for women start looking beyond the veil
That's an awfully powerful libido killer
But then again your normal loses all meaning so it's a tough choice

>>33636660 (OP)
Waifu, but also guy friend that somehow reached a point of high sexual tension and dependancy for acknowledgement.

>>33636838
Same height. Losing weight got me insulted leas but not really acknowledged or romantically speculated on. Once you get type casted as a loser despite income and life improvements nothing really changes at work or socially.

>>33644634
Good point.

Unless you where raised in some monk commune in asia or super fucking autistic then your totally fucked. You will never get rid of that desire and it will juat keep eating at you till you go insane.