Thread 33893236

I'm a bit of a goonette who would also like to be in a relationship w/ someone. But I've seen a lot of people against porn lately. Both from women calling it "cheating" and refusing to date a guy who watches it to men who stop jerking off altogether and do the whole NoFap meme to 'take their life back'. I kinda feel sorry for guys, because it seems that a large chunk if not the majority of the female population is against that stuff. However until a year ago I've gotten the sense that most non-religious men viewed it through a much more casual lens. Idk if that changed much.

How many men nowadays aren't so anal about 'porn bad' and is somewhat mentally stable enough to be a decent life partner? Do any anons know how many males in their life suddenly ditched porn and went down the Christcuck NoFap path? Did they do this while having a girlfriend?

This isn't a 'redpill me on porn and le porn addiction' thread. I don't view porn as an inherently bad thing and that won't change.

They're using porn for virtue signaling points.

People predisposed to believe in religious nonsense have boners for authority. They're currently getting off on the idea of a benevolent big brother closing the porn tab for them.

Porn and masturbation are abnormal and porn producers are demonic.

>>33893247
Kinda sucks that instead of taking accountability and working on themselves to curb their addiction, they just want a nanny state to do it for them and fuck over everyone else who didn't have a problem with it. I already can't access a multitude of porn sites w/o a VPN because of my fuckass state. Atleast the hentai sites are skirting by for now. Hell, I'll start drawing again and jerk off to my shitty drawings if it comes to it.
>>33893309
I personally don't give a fuck about normality or what your religion thinks about it. Humanity stopped giving a shit about being natural when we started civilization.

>>33893236 (OP)
I did it for a few months.
It did make my decision-making a little more clear and maybe I had slightly more energy, but it wasn't a life transformational experience.
I think porn is overall harmful for society, but I see it more of a symptom than a cause.
If society is so sick that people can't form relationships, they are going to turn to substitutes.

>>33893342
Weak.

>>33893342
Don't worry about the porn sites. We'll still have plenty of those.

I'm more concerned about the censorship. Idiots are going to get the stupidity multiplied.

>Humanity stopped giving a shit about being natural when we started civilization.
When Ganghis Khan stepped into a city, which he despises doing, he was baffled by the biggest building being God's house. "How can God be contained in something so small?" He asked.

>>33893236 (OP)
I'm going to guess that most dudes, even a lot of the vocal porn haters, use at least some visual stimulus while they jerk off if they're single
They then stop using porn or minimize it when they get a gf or fuckbuddy because they have real pussy again
Then the porn use creeps up again to cope with dying bedroom

People simply don't want to accept that human sexuality is not a happy thing. Men's porn habits show that they'll drop you in a heartbeat for bigger tits or ass, women's goonfics show that they'll drop you for bigger, richer, and meaner. And they both have the gall to complain about the other! Womp womp, you'll start fucking again when your other choices are taken away.

>>33893236 (OP)
I'm not sure what you're asking exactly, but I don't think you would want a boyfriend that watches porn (and masturbated) the same way you probably wouldn't want a boyfriend that smoked crack.
I agree it's a subject matter and inherently harmless, but the way it's being proliferated, especially to minors, and the way it latches onto your brains reward circuitry makes it a moot point really.
Doesn't matter though, because it's all about personal accountability at the end of the day. If you don't want to watch it, don't, if you do, be my guest. There is no real benefit from watching or even jacking off however. At this point there are mountains of real evidence showing how bad it fucks you up too, but you didn't ask for that so I'll spare you the details.
I would guess you take more issue with ultra religious guys who will go on a crusade to demonize videos of people fucking because they can't control themselves enough to not touch their dicks and insecure women who loathe the idea of their boyfriends looking at other women online. That's different.
But for me at least the thought process is very simple
>jacking off makes me feel like shit and takes energy away from pursuing actual sex
>therefore I will stop jacking off
That's about as deep as it should go. What other consenting adults do with their time and bodies doesn't really concern me, but as I said in the beginning, masturbating, as a guy at least I don't know if it's the same for women, only takes away from the sex you could be having with your (potential) gf.

noporn is good for you
nofap is just plain stupid

>>33893484
>>jacking off makes me feel like shit and takes energy away from pursuing actual sex
Two things:
>What if someone genuinely doesn't feel that way?
>Why is it a good thing for a man to have pent up sexual energy if he's stuck in a shithole, like most men outside of the most populated college towns and non-negrified cities in the country are?
Of course one's goal should always be to find a good mate and date and fuck and have kids and keep the wheel of society turning blah blah blah. But if a nigga is stuck in Gary, Indiana, I don't see the point in bothering putting down the simpcity account to try to prowl for tang in fucking Gary, Indiana, and as long as looking at porn doesn't impede his ability to escape Gary, Indiana, I don't see why that nigga should quit until he's out and comes across actual sexual opportunity.

It's quite rare in real life. It's just a tiny vocal minority. The majority of men are horny and want sex with women.

>>33893236 (OP)
I think it’s a product of the internet circles you run in. Avg young people are mega porn brained. Although it’s worth considering that you may want someone who is likeminded so they may be against porn if they use 4chan or other stuff.

When I’ve been in relationships and gone off porn it made the sex 1000x better. It’s definitely worth finding a guy who is willing to only get off in person with you. When I’ve done it and loved the woman I’ve had transcendent experiences with sex. The gfs loved it too and not only because I’d text them randomly telling them how good they made me feel. I’d say being truly exclusive to your partner is something that’s unfortunately very rare now and worth the effort

>>33893494
>>What if someone genuinely doesn't feel that way?
ok? Good for you? What do you want me to say? If you can manage to be a completely functional adult and upstanding member of society while snorting 20 lines of coke a day then more power to you. As long as this is not a cope to mask genuine dissatisfaction, do whatever. Your life.
>>Why is it a good thing for a man to have pent up sexual energy
because it can be turned into other types of energy. Getting your neurons spiked by seeing a hot girl and then immediately touching your dick to relieve the tension is the lowest IQ, path-of-least-resistance-tier way to expend that energy.
The entire reason you call it "pent up" is because there is no outlet for it, so imo why not use that energy and turn it into things that actually benefit you and maybe even get you out of the 9th circle of hell (Gary, Indiana) so you can get some bitches to take that energy out on instead of hopping on the routine carousel of letting tension build up just to nut into a paper towel.
>and as long as looking at porn doesn't impede his ability to escape
It always does though, just by the nature of it. If you can always just tug on your dick to make the caveman urges go away, then what's the point of leaving Gary, Indiana? Rationally you could probably still come to the conclusion that you need to leave and improve yourself, but you won't feel that primal drive to actually do anything about it, so you won't. At least in my experience. Not to mention that most guys will cope about how bad their addiction actually as to not panic.
>until he's out and comes across actual sexual opportunity.
whether or not you actually see or are able to seize those opportunities is more or less directly tied to much easier it would be to just goon instead. If you remove gooning completely, the threshold for an impulse to actually make you go out and make something of those opportunities will be far lower.

>>33893520
>why not use that energy and turn it into things that actually benefit you and maybe even get you out of the 9th circle of hell (Gary, Indiana) so you can get some bitches to take that energy out on instead of hopping on the routine carousel of letting tension build up just to nut into a paper towel.
Because putting your penis inside Gary, Indiana hoes is a fucking RETARDED idea? And you can't magically, instantaneously teleport out of your shithole and into Santa Cruz after x days of nofap?
Sex is not some inconsequential thing, I don't know why nofappers insist that that's a perfectly healthy and responsible way to live life.
>Grit your teeth and sexually fast for extended periods of time because I said so!
Pay my fuckin' rent and I'll consider it.

>>33893520
>It always does though, just by the nature of it. If you can always just tug on your dick to make the caveman urges go away, then what's the point of leaving Gary, Indiana?
The entire course of my life would be completely different if this weren't paint huffing nigger logic.

>>33893547
>>33893538
>>33893520
Get a room

>>33893538
Look, like I said, I'm not trying to make you do anything. If you want to touch your dick to women getting fucked online, go ahead, it's a free country.
All I'm saying is that it won't help you get out of Gary, Indiana. It's like if the guys in Plato's cave allegory said:
>maybe if I studied the symbols on the wall hard enough, I'll get my shit together and escape
It's not a crutch, it's not a guard rail, it's not a supplement, it's something you choose INSTEAD of real women, or the pursuit of them. I never said to fuck the one's in your home town, for all intents and purposes you can just ignore they exist if that makes it easier to conceptualize.
Not gooning won't magically solve anything the same way quitting a meth addiction won't solve anything. It'll just make it easier for you to do things that you actually want to do. Think about it, if your internal monologue involves lazy fallback option where you just release all the energy you could have used to do literally anything else, then you will never have an incentive or motivation to try doing anything to improve your situation and actually put yourself in the proximity of women you'd actually like to have sex with. And even if you did, if at every step of the way you always give yourself the option of just giving up and going home to jerk it, then how likely do you think it will be for you to fuck a girl you're interested in? If you can genuinely tell me that life has nothing better in store for you than just waiting around and jorking your dick, then I won't stop you, nobody will stop you in fact. Go ahead and do what you want. I'm just giving you an alternative.

>>33893547
what does that even mean?

>>33893577
>I'm not trying to make you do anything
You clearly are judging by the shitty avatarfagging Mark GPT Manson shtick you're putting all your elbow grease into here.

>>33893583
It is what it is then I guess, you can bring a horse to water and all that. Take care anon.

>>33893236 (OP)
I don't mind porn and wouldn't mind having a decently hot girlfriend that I could act out some porn fantasies with but I personally stopped watching it and fapping to it because it just made me feel depressed and angry, especially the amateur stuff where you've got all these schlubby guys having sex with attractive, doting girls or else these chiseled eight-pack-sporting Chads railing top-tier Stacies. It just becomes a self-destructive spiral where I'm spending myself to fake images instead of being motivated to get laid. If you want to watch it or if you're a girl who wants to try some porn stuff then hell yeah, more power to you. I'd rather abstain from it until I can actually get my sex life to start existing.

>>33893236 (OP)
People are wising up to the Jewish tricks to entrap and destroy them mind, body, and soul. That is all.

>>33893236 (OP)
I mean it's still a bad habit/addiction, no matter what other people think about it.
Who knows, maybe the impetus to quit/tone it down would be weaker if it was widely socially accepted, but at the end of the day I want to quit for myself first and foremost, because I see the effect it has on my life

>>33893236 (OP)
If you had a bf, how often would you seek them before porn?

>>33893236 (OP)
I went 2 weeks in October. Feels good abstaining couple of weeks from time to time. Have been feeling cute lately. Might go for 4-6 weeks from today, idk. Personally I'd rather stretch my own salmon than fucking some escort/party hoes.

>>33893247
do you know how anatomy works? you don't seem to understand men

>>33893236 (OP)
the no fap thing is big because everyone watches it from age 13, throw a rock and you'll hit a guy who's into that sort of thing, no need to worry. Also nofap is a challenge and not like a way of life.

>>33893236 (OP)
Porn is pretty bad. The negative effects on the brain are proven by research.

>>33893236 (OP)
It doesn't even have to be about religion or nofap superpowers. Not jerking off or lusting after picture perfect women/men literally increases your libido, allowing you to have better, more intense, more passionate sex with real women. Your dick even gets harder. It's the only reason I stopped jerking off. I don't give a fuck about religion or sexual transmutation or fighting back against the jews or any of that shit. I literally just like having the best sex I can possibly have. Amazing sex where you feel like a fucking man and have the ability to bond with your partner beats a two hour gooning session where you feel like a lonely loser afterwards any day of the fucking week.

>>33893236 (OP)
I regularly watch porn and jerk off multiple times a week and have been doing so for a few years now, most of which is really unrealistic and fantastical, but nothing too depraved I think.
All my coworkers are women older than me or my age and I get along with all of them just fine, cracking jokes and performing efficient teamwork with good banter between us.
And I don't stare at them or have any sexual thoughts about them. Like I have to *really try* to imagine them even naked let alone putting them in my hentai scenarios.

>>33893236 (OP)
I don't jerk my shit, I just do make myself nut through my prostate (no penetration because that is gay).
Can do back to back full body orgasms that way. So epic.

>>33893354
>>33893247
Freedom includes freedom from morality.
Ambition>freedom

>>33893906
'Everything I don't like is a Jewish plot'
Even then, hentai/cartoon porn and guys posting themselves jerking off on the internet would be one of the few good things kikes created
>>33894674
If quitting porn helped you have better sex, more power to you.

>>33893236 (OP)
I'm trying, currently 10 days in

>>33893236 (OP)
Most men still goon cause it's a natural urge that needs to be satisfied.

>>33894811
Yeah most morality is pretty gay if you think about it. If you look at most moral systems the highest good is someone who has stopped living, someone who retreats from life as possible. Monks, vegans, utilitarians, and antinatalists have all achieved the highest level of empathy. Realizing that those who embrace life's pleasures, cruelties, and struggles ultimately inflict it on others through it's embrace. It's the gigachad vs the virgin all over again. All morality concerns itself with is the treatment of losers at the expense of those who embrace life. Give up all worldly pleasures, desires, struggles, and wealth so you too can be "above" them like us losers. Porn can be a retreat from living and a sort of giving up I'll admit. Yet at the same time it's kind of just ugly jealous people who tend to be completely against it, claiming to be some greater arbiters of morality. Freedom is the highest ambition because it is honesty to one's true self including one's desires. Freedom is the authentic, the way of the strong, the way of the honest, and ultimately of those who overcome.

>>33896055
You're probably white, in which case you must seriously think a sky daddy is looking out for you for you to go from centuries of conservative society to anarcho sigma male

>>33893491
That's wrong though. If you do have a problem with porn that you want to get rid of nofap is a lot easier to do than just noporn especially at the start.
That's like like telling an alcoholic that quitting drinking yourself into a coma at home is good for you, but refusing to drink a few glasses of wine at social events is stupid.

>>33894985
Jews literally have been behind almost all major legal cases that have allowed porn to invade society. Jews themselves take credit for the ubiquity of porn and have even admitted to infecting society with rampant pornography to damage people's souls (Al Franken said this).

You are addicted to masturbation to the point that it is making you retarded

>>33893236 (OP)
>Do any anons know how many males in their life suddenly ditched porn and went down the Christcuck NoFap path? Did they do this while having a girlfriend?
I had an experience where my life was saved and I credit God for that, so I took efforts to be less horny and jerk off less often. It had an impact on my relationship with my fiance back when it happened and for a time she lost physical attraction to me.

I think you're dealing with a bigger issue of the gradual decline in sex drive and promiscuity which shows Gen Z and so on are not having sex.

Find some millennial guy or whatever. What exactly are you looking for? Just find someone who wants kids and make the kids.

>>33896055
I don't think the moralfagging is necessary, its healthy and sometimes spiritual. Nofap is gud, it would be better if people didn't need to talk about it so much but they find it hard so they need to talk about it.

Men turned to porn because women said that hitting on them is gross and shame men for buying hookers.

>>33893342
>>33893491
No you’re just weak pussy ass faggots

>>33896055
Reddit is down the hall and to the left.

>>33894631
Are you just supposed to fap from imagination?

Im curious what you guys think about live cams, would interacting with a girl through live cams be considered cheating in a relationship