Thread 33913285

What do women generally expect from a man in terms of capital? For example, I almost never go on dates because I fear women won't like my apartment. I live in a studio apartment. Its not like rat tier small but its enough for me. I have a "Full Size" bed. A Futon. A TV etc. I keep it clean enough I think. Could use some dusting. My furniture isn't very nice I guess but its all suitable. I am mostly concerned about the bed situation. Do most women expect guys to have a queen sized bed or higher? My friend told me I care too much about dumb shit and that women will date you even if you had to eat off the floor or something. He basically said he was dating women and having sex with multiple women on a blow up mattress. Not sure how accurate that is but I sort of believe him because he has had multiple girlfriends over the years I have known him. I am 30 years old also which I don't know if women expect the man to have a house by now.

I could afford getting a loan and getting a house but the main reason I don't is because I'd rather have a girlfriend first. Never had one to begin with. What do you think. When it comes to having things, what do most women sort of expect out of a guy my age? Is what I have enough?

>>33913285 (OP)
lol your furniture and furnishings aren't capital

>>33913285 (OP)
Your friend is right.
You could have a house and the best furniture in the world and a women still wouldn't like you.

>>33913295
>lol your furniture and furnishings aren't capital

>>33913285 (OP)
Women definitely care about what you have. They generally prefer if you have a well-kept apartment at the least, with furniture enough for daily living (e.g. bed with frame and box, nightstand, sofa, nice television). That said, they'll ignore a lot of it in the early stages if they like you. It was a running thing for me for years that I would date a woman and then bring her home to an absolutely filthy apartment, with dirty dishes in the sink and clothes scattered about everywhere.

But that is the thing: This only works in the early part of the relationship. Once a girl has decided to come with you for the night and is standing outside your door, the only way she's leaving is if the place looks like a murder scene. But after a month, maybe a few depending on the girl, she'll stop tolerating it. If you want a relationship to work, no matter how nice the woman is, you need to be someone that can generally take care of yourself. So if you're fine with just having flings with women, don't worry about it too much. If you want to be in a long term relationship though then you need to show you're generally put together.

Exceptions to every rule, of course, but this is the rule of thumb.

>>33913324
I definitely have no desire for flings. Sometimes I feel weird about it because all my friends seem pretty fling oriented. But I just don't have the mindset for flings I think. Also, generally, I am not a messy person. I wouldn't say I am super neat though. Like I leave socks on the floor but eventually move them to the laundry basket etc. I'd actually be embarrassed to do what you did though and bring them to a filthy place. I guess it makes sense though.

>>33913285 (OP)
>What do women generally expect from a man in terms of capital?
Rich women expect rich capital. Middle class women expect middle class capital. Poor women expect poor capital. Every shred of data we have shows that people pair up with their relative class and race and attractiveness level.

>>33913338
Something is wrong because even high middle class dudes are fucking crack rats and everything in between. I think rich guys might even be fucking fent fiends and crack rats.

>>33913338
>Every shred of data we have shows that people pair up with their relative class and race and attractiveness level
There is not a single person that has actually experienced today's dating market that sincerely believes this.

>>33913352
>There is not a single person that has actually experienced today's dating market that sincerely believes this
Well I don't base my opinions about global trends based on personal experiences. That's what morons do. I'm basing my opinions on the data - and the data conclusively shows that, for the most part, people end up dating and marrying those of the relatively same socioeconomic status, race and age. You can feel differently if you want but there's no evidence whatsoever outside of stories on 4chan and whatever anecdotes you have that men or women are dating wildly out of their socioeconomic bracket. Rich people marry rich people. Middle class people marry middle class people. Poor people date poor people. Even without the data its pretty intuitively simple to understand that people date within their communities and rich and poor communities don't do a ton of intermingling.

>>33913349
Dating and having sex are two wildly different things. Men, especially rich men, will absolutely have sex with women that they would never consider seriously dating or bringing home to rich mommy and daddy. Its also worth mentioning that I'm not talking about the "rich" TikTok influencers and drop-shippers and red pill gurus. I'm talking about actual rich people, legacy rich people, ivy leaguers - people whose fortunes extend beyond YouTube channels and whose social circles have absolutely zero overlap with common folk.

>>33913373
Except there was more than one data point you brought up, and increasingly greater numbers of people are DATING (because marriage is dropping like a stone among all financial classes) outside their financial class, outside their race, and outside their attractiveness level. Again, you either have never been outside in your life or you are a complete idiot to think that what you stated was at all normative.

>>33913285 (OP)
Different women expect different things. They are not a hive mind.

>>33913406
>increasingly greater numbers of people are DATING (because marriage is dropping like a stone among all financial classes) outside their financial class, outside their race, and outside their attractiveness level
Sure, but its not the majority, not even close. The majority of people date more or less within their own social groups and status. Its been this way for quite a long time and there isn't any evidence to suggest that this is going to significantly change anytime soon.

>Again, you either have never been outside in your life or you are a complete idiot to think that what you stated was at all normative.
Again, I don't use personal anecdotes to build my opinions about trends of large populations. That would be idiotic. I use data. You can have whatever feelings you want but the empirical facts are pretty definitive.

>>33913413
I mean I get that. But I would think most women probably have a simlar-ish sort of group of preferences. Like if she is a heterosexual woman, I would ASSUME she would be looking for a man with a functional penis for example.

>>33913413
Monolith* not hive mind is the word you're looking for.

>>33913418
>Sure, but its not the majority, not even close. The majority of people date more or less within their own social groups and status. Its been this way for quite a long time and there isn't any evidence to suggest that this is going to significantly change anytime soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? Every single year more and more people date outside their race. The significant change has been happening for years, if anything there's no data that suggests it won't keep increasing lol

>Again, I don't use personal anecdotes to build my opinions about trends of large populations. That would be idiotic. I use data. You can have whatever feelings you want but the empirical facts are pretty definitive.
You're using data that's wildly outdated if you think it's normative to state people date in their own tax bracket, race, and attractiveness. One of those three qualities can't even be reliably quantified, let alone measured and compared on a national level, and of the other two one of them has moved from being an almost insignificant figure 25 years ago to being over a quarter of the population depending on the races in question. You're completely delusional and reading the data you want to see.

>>33913439
>What the fuck are you talking about? Every single year more and more people date outside their race. The significant change has been happening for years
I'll repeat - its still not even close to the majority, especially for socioeconomic status. The notion that there's this huge movement in dating that's intermingling rich and poor people is laughably false.

>if anything there's no data that suggests it won't keep increasing lol
Sure, but we're talking about what is right now, not what might be eventually.

>You're using data that's wildly outdated if you think it's normative to state people date in their own tax bracket, race, and attractiveness
That's the current statistical reality. Cope with it however you need to.

>and of the other two one of them has moved from being an almost insignificant figure 25 years ago to being over a quarter of the population depending on the races in question
So, in other words, exactly what I said - the vast majority date within their own race. 75% is a majority. 25% is a minority. Little math lesson for you.

>You're completely delusional and reading the data you want to see.
I'm sorry the data upsets you. I don't know what to tell you other than I'm just reporting the facts as they are.

>>33913498
>I'll repeat - its still not even close to the majority, especially for socioeconomic status. The notion that there's this huge movement in dating that's intermingling rich and poor people is laughably false.
Hey dipshit, you're responding to me saying that more and more people are dating outside their race. It's a huge movement in the dating game, it's been growing for decades and it shows no signs of stopping whatsoever.

>Sure, but we're talking about what is right now, not what might be eventually.
Right now, it is totally NORMAL to date outside your race, outside your financial status, and outside your looks.

>So, in other words, exactly what I said - the vast majority date within their own race. 75% is a majority. 25% is a minority. Little math lesson for you.
If 25% of people are dating outside their race, 40% are dating outside of their appearance, and 30% are dating outside their tax bracket, do you think it is correct to say that the majority of the population are dating their race, at their tax bracket, and at their same appearance?

>I'm sorry the data upsets you. I don't know what to tell you other than I'm just reporting the facts as they are.
As of Y2K maybe lol

>>33913430
No i was looking for hivemind. Thanks for a different way if expressing the exact same idea though ya shrub

>>33913422
Listen. Its fucking impossible to sort through the bullshit here. Youre gonna get flooded with incels and autists, and worse, dudes who think they have the secret sauce because they have a system that works, but it only works because of what Im about to tell you:

You dont have to go wild. You dont have to learn a code, or meet some requirements outside of this. You must have passable social skills, you must be socially exposed. You must be capable of forming friendships.
If you can do that, someone's gonna like you. Its a numbers game after that. And most people who fail end up failing because either A: they do not know what interest looks like from a woman and miss obvious signs, ir B: they focus all their attention and energy on women who aren't interested in them and never will be.

Even if your dick doesnt work as you said, some woman somewhere whos pretty happy self servicing would probably be fine with that.

There are obvious ways to increase your chances. Fitness, the way you dress, having money etc... but it just increases odds. As in you still have to play the exact same game, you just hit your number more frequently.

>>33913548
>Hey dipshit, you're responding to me saying that more and more people are dating outside their race. It's a huge movement in the dating game, it's been growing for decades and it shows no signs of stopping whatsoever.
That may be the case and in the future it may me the majority, but its still a minority of cases right now as we speak. The majority of people date and settle with those in the relatively same socioeconomic status, social status, race, age and attractiveness. This is the statistical reality right now in November of the year of our lord 2025. I don't know how to explain this any simpler.

>Right now, it is totally NORMAL to date outside your race, outside your financial status, and outside your looks.
The data shows that long term dating (actual partnerships, not hook-ups or flings) outside of your race, looks and financial status is still the minority of cases. I don't know what else to tell you or how else to tell you. Whether or not its considered societally normal is irrelevant to the statistics.

>If 25% of people are dating outside their race, 40% are dating outside of their appearance, and 30% are dating outside their tax bracket, do you think it is correct to say that the majority of the population are dating their race, at their tax bracket, and at their same appearance?
No. That isn't how multivariate analysis works. Also, your hypothetical isn't happening so its irrelevant.

>As of Y2K maybe lol
I have no interest in arguing you out of your hysterics, anon. Believe whatever you want. I honestly don't give a shit.