Tempting Fate Edition

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This thread is dedicated to all animals of the Reptilia and Amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered
Classifieds for finding breeders and products:
>morphmarket.com
>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>caudata.org
Most forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.

When asking a question, make sure to include these details:
>Type and size of animal
>Enclosure dimensions
>Humidity and temperature
>Type of substrate
>The decor you use
>How often you feed
>The type of food you use
>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred
>How often you handle
>Who you bought the animal from

Other Helpful Resources
www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com
www.joshsfrogs.com
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com
http://www.anapsid.org
http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htm
https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html

Every day is a struggle to resist buying a Nile monitor.

>>5018670
Whats stopping you? Space?

>>5018667 (OP)
Talk me out of buying one of these /herp/

>>5018694
They killed my grandma, ok!

>>5018694
If you have space for a huge pond enclosure and you have a plan for what happens to the turtle if you die (they can live 50-80 years), go for it.

Realistically do turtles actually need the 10 gal/inch? Or is 5-8/inch enough? Assuming basking area, big ass canister filter, enough hornwort and floaters to survive turt, etc.

My kiddo really wants one and the local mom's group has one trying to be rehomed. It is a 6-8" slider (or possibly map turtle the pics aren't clear), and has lived for about 10 years in a 29g before one died (shocker!) so I was thinking a 40br with a basking topper, could add plenty of guppies, snails, and shrimp from another tank and maybe throw some platys or least killis in as snacking friends. I don't really have physical space in my house for much larger than 40g, with my other 3 fish tanks and various terrariums.

>>5018673
That and I don't think I could man handle one if it ever needs to go to the vet for something serious.

>>5018777
Consolidate all your aquariums and terrariums into one big pond for it.

>>5018777
Look for musk turtles if you want something that can live comfortably in a 40g

>>5018829
Eventually I will but I have a tiny backyard right now (about 200 sqft of grass) and the frost line is 48" down.

>>5018667 (OP)
Hello everyone. I have a spare 20g long that was originally going to be for my pixie frog until I got a better enclosure for it. This tank would go into my living room so Id like it to be a good display tank. Here are some ideas I have.
>fire belly toads
The local pet stores here still have them for $20 each. I guess we're lucky that theres a breeder in the area that sells to them, because apparently theyve become hard to find and expensive
>Grow out tank for colubrids
Ive been really entertaining the idea of getting a Cal King, Bull Snake, or Honduran Milksnake. Obviously this would be a grow out tank and I can accomodate for when they grow. I regularly come across the first two in the wild and can make a naturalistic setup easy peezy
Thoughts, suggestions, or recomendations??

>>5018449
This is a highly subjective topic, pertaining to specific species and the context surrounding whatever the suggested minimum is. For example,
>>5018541
I likewise keep my crested gecko in an 18x18x24. He's now 55 grams and plenty active. Could he be in something bigger? Sure, absolutely - but I would disagree with the notion that it's a requirement. Further, I can discern no objective merit to his quality of life by increasing the size of the enclosure.
That said, most people do still keep their reptiles in poor environments, whether by size or other insufficient parameters. Japanese reptile twitter is a smorgasbord of everything wrong you can do in the hobby. The standard is to keep things like african fat tails in a 20-gallon with either a puppy pad or, presumably, some form of clay balls as the only substrate. They're lucky to have even one hide most of the time.
So, if the choice is split between either going too far above or too far below the actual requirements for a given species, I'd lean towards more, if only for the welfare of the animal itself. I can think of little reason to justify a smaller than recommended (in most cases) enclosure as its permanent home.

>>5018774
Yeah my local dealer told me no unless I have a 7 by 7 foot pond indoors or a heated outdoors which will cost a fortune and possibly result in quite a few of my neighbors cats disappearing. Bearing in mind I live in a terraced house surrounded by other houses where people let their cats walk everywhere while my garden is probably 8 or 10 feet wide at the very most. It fucking sucks. They told me I could possibly get away with an alligator snapping turtle because they don't swim or do jack but the downsize is that it's a fucking alligator snapping turtle.

Can anyone recommend me a herp that is naturally wide or fat/wrinkly/stocky? I already have a fat ass frog but I have space for one more herp and want something similarly fugly which is preferably not another frog.

>>5019670
Do bearded dragons or blue tongue skinks pop up on your radar at all? Much easier to get keep than frogs but similarly useless retardes with a bit more nuance in personality.

>>5019673
>Do bearded dragons or blue tongue skinks pop up on your radar at all
I did consider them but they are not exactly my style of rotund if that makes sense. Uromastyxs are closer to what I am looking at in comparison to skinks or beardeds which I am keeping an eye on but if there are other reptiles which are more fugly/fat/rotund/wrinkly/stocky it would be appreciated. Amphibians are not much of problem for me because I am used to the care requirements for my frog but obviously most of the amphibians that check off my list are frogs which I already have (once you get a frog you have practically seen them all behavior wise).

>>5019670
Blood/Short tailed pythons

>>5019680
Haven't really considered snakes but I will check them out regardless

>>5019670
Leachie geckos are fun wrinkly little dudes

>>5019702
Can confirm. Just got mine this weekend

>>5018667 (OP)
>putting your finger that close to a snapping turtle
That's a lot of faith he's putting in that turtle.

>>5019722
Looks friendly enough

>>5019702
>>5019703
Leachie posting

I love aldabra tortoises. They look like miniature sauropods.

apartment is warm as a oven (28 degrees) is it a good idea to have a bigger water receptical for my ballpython to soak in if it wants to cool down or will it just not use it?

>>5020085
That's some impressive sticking power.

>>5020514
options are never a bad idea.

>>5019663
>downsize is that it's a fucking alligator snapping turtle.
how is that a bad thing, theyre much cooler than common snappers

>>5020514
No climbing fixture? How depressingly barren.

>>5020767
They look really, really fucking cool but they're boring behaviorally, the definition of a sit and wait predator that can stay in the same spot for days.

Bigger issue is probably that it's an enormous and heavy turtle that can easily take off your fingers if you're not careful, which is going to be a pain in the ass if you ever need to move stuff around or clean the pond

>>5021088
Pretty much this. Alligator snappers are lazy bastards. And i'd rather deal with a turtle that could potentially just mildly injure your hand over one that could completely deglove it.

>didn't try to nip me this time when getting him out
Feels good man. Surprisingly difficult to put him back into his enclosure though once he hugs my hand

>>5020767
Don't get me wrong, they look more awesome than common snappers by a long shot for sure. Technically """easier""" to handle too due their shorter necks which means you can grip the front of their shell, but as >>5021088 and >>5021161 explained they are extremely sedentary in terms of behavior and they can outright remove feet or hands without much provocation. Every account I have read about alligator snappers being kept as pets always seems to be something the keeper has regretted but too deeply invested in to stop and turn back. Common snappers on the other hand are far more active and you can actually socialize to some degree so you can have them free roam around you or stroke the back of their shells without trouble. As long as you dont outright shove your hand or foot in their face you face no risk and at worse it would mean losing a digit or two as aposed to a whole hand or foot. The other thing I am concious of is lifespan and my own lifestyle as I am only 25 and thinking of having a family someday. These fuckers live 50+ so if I get an alligator that's a risk around kids and if I die or get too old it would mean it would have to be destroyed most likely. A common snapper though would be more manageble and relatively safer/ish with a family as long as I keep it contained and my kids away from it.