Thread 941154275

Windows 10 is dead and many are moving to linux. That being said, why are distro hops so predictable? It's always Windows 10 -> Ubuntu -> Arch and then back to Windows 11. Ubuntu is ran by pedophiles, Arch users can suck cock as they are already gay elitist, this alienates anyone who isn't a normie cuck. Why don't people use Gentoo instead? It makes sense why people wouldn't use Debian because "it's outdated" despite the point of Debian being schizo levels of package testing. Gentoo's literally built for your hardware and can be stable or bleeding so not it's generic. If you can't read a wiki, for 2 seconds because Arch gave you a literally Bible, that's a you problem. "but-but mobile anon! the Gentoo install hard!!!" Use oddlama's installer cloned from github in the live ISO. Oddlama saves literal days because Gentoo's devs can't just make their own script, everything else works provided you read. Oh and fuck mental outlaw he glows harder than Jeremy Bicha to his sister while coding Gnome. All my crackas use Qt based platforms or wm. Gentoo literally compiles source code, it's your fault if you pull a virus in with no AUR bullshit unless you want pacman. Portage is S tier. mint can work, but why not LMDE? You are literally using a fork of a fork that's maintained to unfuck Debian in ways canonical regularly does.
I know mint can work, but why not LMDE? You are literally using a fork of a fork that's maintained to unfuck Debian in ways canonical regularly does.

>>941154275 (OP)
As far as I can tell, most things to do with the internet and servers is run by pedophiles. Any random sysadmin has a 30% chance of being a convicted child rapist.
For me it was:
>Mandriva -> Ubuntu -> OpenSUSE -> Ubuntu -> Debian -> Arch -> MX Linux -> Gentoo -> CachyOS
Still also run Arch and MX on some stuff. Want to reinstall Gentoo but got lazy about it after Cachy became a thing and does most of what I want my system to do.

>>941154275 (OP)
Also agree with most of the rest of your post, too (which I did not read before my first reply). Gentoo is awesome. The install isn't really any harder than Arch, it just takes forever, which is the only reason it's not installed on everything right this second.
>Portage is S tier
Also agree with this, but it sucks to have to wait half an hour every time you want to install a new set of packages, and updates to webkit-gtk and qtwebengine REALLY fucking suck bigtime. LLVM is bad also. Chromium was so horrible I just ended up installing Chrome for the few times I needed to use a site that relied upon it.

>>941154856
This is why I mentioned oddlama

>>941154275 (OP)
Anon, most people riding the Windows 10 expiration wave likely don't have that much experience with Linux, kernels, or compiling source code locally. The leap to Linux is likely more important regardless of which starting distro is chosen. Does it really matter if there is some predictable pattern for a lot of people? Any simple to use distribution will allow noobies to gain knowledge over time and in essence start distro-hopping. Not everyone will have the same needs or wants in a system as you to start out with, and that's okay. It's okay to have your opinions about something be disagreed upon, it doesn't make them invalid

>>941155195
Yeah I would say again that LMDE is the better OS for beginners, but that being said it's still confusing that people start on Arch, or they try Assbuntu / forks and assume that's all linux offers with canonical telemetry and drive corruption. MacOS even is better than whatever "Ubuntu flavor" distro used

>>941155195
Also forgot to add context, for me it was
>Mint, Zorin OS (personal)/RedHat (for school at the time), Ubuntu (few different versions), Arch, and then Fedora

Bumping for interest

OSX daily driver
Debian (Kali) vm for work

No flaming

>>941155691
How does Kali run under a VM?

>>941155784
It's typically a smarter move to containerize it if working with some pretty nasty software

>>941155088
Anyone who uses a Gentoo installer is gay. I said installing Gentoo WASN'T hard; it just takes forever. Using an installer wouldn't take less time, it would just make an easy enough thing to do just as easy while probably making all sorts of configuration changes and weird defaults that I don't want. I do a lot of customizing of my make.conf and other Portage configs before even recompiling after unzipping the stage3 and selecting my profile. The whole goddamn POINT of using Gentoo is that I configure it myself; I don't want some installer coming in and niggering everything up before I ever get started.

Remnux or flare-vm for malware rev

>>941155784
Are you asking about how it performs ?

I remember Ubuntu being "fine" pre Unity, back when I was still fresh to Linux. Jumped to Mint and that was my home for a while, pretty sure that was way before LMDE was a thing. Tried Fedora and hated it, can't elaborate since it's been a long time. Ass pains over a closed source wifi driver I think, and I was babied by Mint/Ubuntu and didn't want to deal with that. But then maybe a couple years ago when I recommended Ubuntu to a friend, I tried it on my Linux machine because I won't recommend what I haven't tried (in a long time). Hard stutters of like 5-10s in length, every minute or so. No mouse movement even. Wasn't sure what caused that, the error message was not helpful I recall.

Works fine :)


>>941156860

>>941156248
Every update since Jammy it gets worse and rust bros keep breaking things in the kernel. Ubuntu nolonger reflects the quality you get from Debian.

>>941154856
I want to say the -G flag is underutilized for longer package compiles. Personally I ditched GCC for clang as my main compiler because it's faster and can use -O3 optimizations with only a few packages requiring gcc instead of clang.

Read this and use ugrd
https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html

>>941157169
Yeah, I used clang (and -O3 and LTO) for any packages that support it.
>-G
What does this do?

>>941157319
Provided you note the use flags for later with -v it pulls in binary packages

I should mention Gentoo runs better on known hardware than OS with generic packages, but compile times are longer on older hardware. Gentoo still works even as far back as Pentium. Use good thermal paste and ventilation.

I've never fucked with Linux before, but I just got an old shitty hand me down computer, it's too slow to run windows, so I was going to try mint. I heard it's easy to use and learn, and has a much lighter footprint so this old piece of shit might be able to run it.

Is mint a good choice or should I just fuck with Ubuntu or something. Keep in mind I've never used Linux before, I need something with a gui.

>>941157566
Use LMDE

>>941157625
Shit, that does look like a good option. This is why I ask the pros before doing shit. Thanks anon!

>>941157393
Oh. Yeah, that kinda defeats the point of Gentoo, though. I did use binary packages for LibreOffice (because I'm not usually editing documents while I'm gaming and there's no point in squeezing extra performance out of an office suite) and Chrome (for aforementioned reasons), but I'm pretty sure that:
1. They can't make binary packages of stuff like qtwebengine (or webkit?) because there was some kind of bug. Maybe this will work if you pull in all of Plasma as a binary, but I do want extra performance out of plasma, which brings me to
2. Qtwebengine and webkit are massive packages for a reason, and optimizing them will almost certainly result in improved performance for things I want to do (I've never run benchmarks), so I do want them compiled, but it's awful.
Hence why I've just gotten lazy and switched to Cachy on my gaming rig. Cachy has similar performance to optimized Gentoo, but everything breaks every time there's an update and brightness control is broken and pressing the Fn key disables my mouse and a random update broke sound configuration so badly I had to reinstall. So I'm thinking I might go back to Gentoo.

>>941157724
i'm using arch now and i'm not gay. i was using ubuntu for a few years though and it's a pile of shit for the average user.

>>941154275 (OP)
ok

>>941160412
I recommend timeshift
Also emerge and apt don't complain when removing packages so you can install them back. Sound broke a lot when I tried arch and I could not just uninstall broken packages to reinstall and fix them without jumping through hurdles.

>>941160503
What if I'm extremely gay? What I'm "suck dick for bus money then walk home" gay? What flavor of Unix is right for me?

>>941154275 (OP)
If your not a developer or an edgy teenager OS tester then you just need any LTS version and run with it. Anything non LTS is just a waste of time for anyone with any kind of life.

>>941162773
i'm actually curious about this. what are the best distro hops?

I liked windows 10. Why can't I just keep windows 10? People were using 7 for years and some still do.
>But linux is better
I don't want Linux. I want windows but not 11. If I can't run all my games and programs on it and it doesn't use all the same filetypes then I don't want that gay shit.