IT IS OVER - PHYSICS BTFO! BIG BANG FAKE!!! CMB FAKE!

A new paper shows that the “Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation” can be explained entirely by the energy of recently discovered Early Mature Galaxies — massive galaxies that the JWST discovered which crushed the existing models of galaxy formation because they formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible.

But now these EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy density of the CMB radiation, which was believed to be a “snapshot” of the first light emitted after the Big Bang, when the universe was ~379,000 years old. The variations in the CMB were believed to be relics of quantum fluctuations in the dense plasma of the Big Bang.

If these new findings are accepted, then all of the following flagship findings of cosmology are thrown into question:

— Big Bang theory: foundational cosmological model undermined
— Cosmic inflation: loses observational justification
— ΛCDM model: key parameters become unreliable
— CMB power spectrum: loses predictive relevance
— Dark energy: inferred from CMB; may be mischaracterized
— Dark matter density: current estimates may be invalid
— Age of the universe: must be recalculated
— Primordial nucleosynthesis: needs alternative explanation
— Hubble constant (H0): no longer reliably constrained by CMB
— Large-scale structure formation: initial conditions unclear
— Reionization epoch: timing and cause questioned
— Cosmic distance ladder: calibration may be flawed
— ISW (Integrated Sachs–Wolfe) effect: interpretation invalidated
— Acoustic peaks in CMB: no longer evidence of primordial sound waves
— Polarization of the CMB: origin needs reassessment
— Baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO): decoupled from CMB
— Cosmic curvature: flatness inference challenged
— Matter–radiation equality timing: re-evaluated
— Gravitational lensing of CMB: loses standard interpretation
— Planck and WMAP findings: foundational assumptions invalidated

>>22884134 (OP)
https://x.com/realism_fan/status/1939727311991185467

K keep me posted

I don't understand any of that. And why would it invalidate planck, isn't that just the smallest measurable unit?

Trannies are fake

>>22884137
no that is the Planck length

>>22884134 (OP)
Good. All those findings being refuted are pretty obviously horseshit.

>>22884139
oh

Thanks NASA

>>22884134 (OP)
When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.

>>22884134 (OP)
if i have to wake up tomorrow and pay taxes then I dont give a shit anon.

>>22884134 (OP)
Physicist here, these experiments imply the universe is never ending and that galaxies still form all the time. This invalidates heat death.

>>22884134 (OP)
wait…are you saying that the entire universe is fake and gay?

>>22884143
we live in a simulation, and the processor clock speed is the speed of light.

>>22884134 (OP)
https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.04687
For interested readers.
Also, dark matter is nothing but the modern Ptolemaic epicycles. It’s bullshit, too.
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/missing-matter-in-universe-found
So much winning happening this year.

>>22884147
Plot twist: the coding was outsourced to jeets

>>22884149
that explains why it is single-threaded with so many bugs

>>22884134 (OP)
The Big Bang is kike bullshit. The cosmos is infinite and eternal. You are literally here forever.

>>22884134 (OP)
>>22884135
Settled-science sisters?!

>>22884150
yeah why dont you go ahead and make a brain and some consciousness then? it's just meat and electricity, all you need is some meat and then hook up some neurons to it and then activate them using electricity. oh yeah, you need a way for the brain to generate electricity, why not add some rechargeable batteries in the form of muscle that give off voltage whenever they are strained? you're going to need a way to recharge them though, what if the system could break down any food? having its survival tied to a consumable resource sounds hard for players though, so it would need to be an infinite resource. the food needs to just grow out of the ground infinitely though. anyways, could you get right on that? oh wait, you are not even 0.000000000001% of the way towardss creating something as amazing as the human body or this existence. trying to say "the code is bad" here is crazy. all our problems are manmade and caused by evil jews. all the war, poverty, death, destruction and planned evil in the last 2000 years is organized on purpose by evil jews that run the world and sacrifice us like pawn pieces

>>22884151
Interestingly, the Big Bang was first suggested by the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

>>22884154
>>22884152
yup, except instead of "catholic" we should be more accurate and use the term "jesuit", which is a branch of jew that is intentionally subversive and disguises themselves as any role they need to be in order to push the jesuit agenda. in this case, it was rewriting the earth lore to take it from a creation made by a Creator (YHWH / God) and replacing it with the big bang, which if you actually source it is just taken straight out of the kabbala. the kabbala, the jewish mystic text, talks about how the origin of existence is called "ein-sof". it's essentially the concept that there was nothing, and this nothingness condensed into a singularity, and exploded into everything, and now we have an infinity big place created from that process. it mirrors the big bang. when it's jewish mysticism, people say it's retarded. when they brand it as "science", people eat it up happily. this is exactly how the jesuits (or really, jew-suits) managed to trick the entire world. around 500 years ago they literally invented the idea of "fake science"

500 years ago it was the catholic church itself that was burning all copies of the bible they found. WHY would the church be burning bibles? first of all, the church has been long overtaken by jewish influence, that's why modern christianity is just a jewish rewrite that elevates them as "gods chosen people of israel" which is NEVER what scripture says. actually, if you read scripture for yourself, YHWH and Jesus (Yeshua) actually HATE jews. anyway, 500 years ago the church realized they could not spread the word of christianity, they wanted to monopolize it and be the sole source of information regarding it. they stopped burning the bibles because they couldn't burn more than the people were printing, so they invented "learning against learning" aka fake news. so they promoted their jewsuit scientists to rewrite all the earth lore and fill it with misinformation (heliocentrism, big bang, gravity, etc)

>>22884155
holy fucking
TRVTH
NVKE

>>22884155
Your flying supernatural sky daddy does not exist.

>>22884134 (OP)
>>22884137
>>22884145
>>22884148
Nothing is invalidated and nothing is proven, yet, theories are just that, theories, I've been witnessing this "formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible" academia bullshit since I was a kid.
Distinguish *academia* from actual *Science* (not Sciencism) and everything makes sense.
According to the JWST the universe is now likely more than 20bil years old, and same shit is going to happen after the next one (Habitable Worlds Observatory) gets launched and operational, if it ever does, and judging from all JWST delays, probably most of us will never see it in action.

Our entire universe is in a black hole?

>>22884155
Very interesting.

>>22884157
i understand you have an aversion to it, i was a lifelong atheist/agnostic myself, and i thought it was the logical state of mind. let me guess: there are over 4000 religions, how can one be true? or what? you think because you physically can't interact with the supernatural, that means there is not a very real Creator to this place? there is intelligent design everything you look

what is your counter-claim to creation? do you think that we all came out of the big bang? ive already touched on how that's just mysticism taken from a book, so where did matter come from?

matter can't be created or destroyed according to your science, right? and yet, the amount of usable matter is going down constantly to entropy. if we rewind the clock, it means we can assume there was a time when there was even more energy available, back to a point of lets say "100%". what do you think that looked like, why do you think it was like that?

what doesn't exist is the idea that we evolved from monkeys or a single-celled-organism. what doesn't exist is any proof of evolution. do you think humanity evolved as a species over time? do you think that's been "scientifically proven"?

the truth is, a lot of the stuff you think is science (dinosaurs, nuclear bombs, outer space, evolution, viruses) are speculative pseudoscience. if we're being intellectually honest, you would get embarrassed trying to debate me trying to prove any of these are real. when you study the earth for yourself, you will come to the conclusion it is obviously motionless and overrun by jews. there's an ancient text that becomes very interesting considering it warns us how we will be overrun by evil jews who enslave us to taxes, and how we will be deceived from the stars, etc

when i look around, i see intelligent design everywhere. inside every apple is an apple seed, to grow an apple tree, to give you infinite apples. water falls from the sky. think about it!

>>22884134 (OP)
I want a link to the paper. I want proof. I want evidence.
If you have none I dont care about what you just said.

>>22884158
$5 says the universe is cyclical and all this muh beginning shit is gay fake news kike shit

>>22884134 (OP)
>I need a paper written by scientists to tell me that the universe wasn't created by nothing suddenly exploding

Always the absolute worst posters in this board. Always.

>>22884134 (OP)
Just in time. We need more funding for the next generation of physicist and at least 10 new supermassive particle colliders. All from your tax money of course.

>>22884134 (OP)
Yes but how does it affect me personally?

>>22884167
Your taxes will go to pay for trisexual buttsex in the Andromeda galaxy.

>>22884134 (OP)
Good news for atheists we can finally get rid of the annoyingly religious big bang theory

>>22884164
you joke about this and it sounds incredibly obvious when you put it this way, but yes, you summed up a big problem we have on earth. there are too many judgments about too many topics to make for the average person, so we don't personally deep-dive and investigate every topic thoroughly. instead, we delegate our opinion to the consensus, or a perceived position of authority like an "expert" or a "scientist". it's a mixture of being overly trusting and goodwilled, and lazy, and stupid. and if anyone reading is all of those things, just know that it's intentional by the modern system designed to make you a dumb, broke, afraid slave

if i had to summarize the #1 problem on earth it would be that people look at the news and think its real. people look at TV and think its real. people look at 4chan and think its real. even "peer reviewed" science is not "proven", you and your boys could be the peers and that's often how it works. people believe there is a war in ukraine because they see clips of people getting blown up on the news and on 4chan. yes, innocent kids are dying on both sides, but do you REALLY think russia can't take ukraine after 4 years? of course it could, if that was the goal. but the goal is not land, conquest, or anything like that. the goal is 1. spread fear-based news everywhere so everyone is afraid their life could end any moment due to "nuclear warfare" 2. siphon trillions of dollars in order to keep the military budgets of the governments around the world going "for our protection" 3. keep people barraged from one psyop to the next one. if its not the war in jewkraine between the jewish zelenskyy and vladimir jewtin, its the jewish war in israel, or it's promoting some jewish science like "men can breastfeed", or it's promoting some jewish worldviews like "aliens are gonna invade from outer space", or etc.

we live in a world where people think truth is the top result of google, and that their body is lying to them

>>22884134 (OP)
whats the new money laundering sciencey thing going to be?

>>22884134 (OP)
can't they do all these recalculations NOW instead of waiting like retards?

>>22884167
well, it depends on your worldview entirely. if you think you are a meaningless monkey, born to die on a planet that is one of a septillion other planets, it sets you up for thinking life is kind of pointless, "yolo", the physical realm you interact with is all there is to this place, etc. it makes you more prone to being greedy to put yourself ahead if you are convinced "there's no consequences to any of my actions". most importantly, it removes the idea that there is a very real Creator who made this place intentionally for you to thrive in, and it's a very real Creator you can literally have a personal and real relationship with. but, most people are so convinced into being godless/atheistic by the worldview i described earlier that they think it's impossible for something like that to exist

>>22884164
The big bang says everything exploded, not nothing. It doesn't even attempt to answer where everything actually comes from

>>22884157
He does. The state is running a modern human sacrifice-tier mkultra program on drunks and you'll speak to all kinds of new found friends, devils, and Gods in your sleep.
Then you'll turn on the radio and be like, "damn the Hollywood jews sure know a lot about this crime against humanity", and everyone else will just gaslight you.
Sad!
If aliens do show up and throw mega pints of disaster here I will not be surprised.

>>22884134 (OP)
I knew this was going to happen. I beat one of my coworkers unconscious when he suggested that the cosmological constant was less than 1. What an utter faggot to suggest something like that in this day and age.

>>22884165
Kek. Retards are funny, though.

>>22884171
Dropping oxygen levels

>>22884174
it can't, nobody on earth knows what happened "13.8 billion years ago". it's the same thing as dinosaurs. men on earth don't know what walked around 300000000 years ago. and especially not by finding random bones. people are so convinced "the scientists proved the whole story and history" and that we KNOW that 300 million years ago, giant lizards walked around, and that we KNOW and "proved using science" that they died to a meteor, etc. it becomes this kind of extended movie we have fallen for, where we wrongly assume "the scientists have figured out all this stuff, and if i dont align myself with them ill be the outcast/idiot/etc because its all PROVEN, right?"

it's pure speculation, about something none of us can ever go back and verify. and its backed by tons of "science" that is even more speculation, most of which has never been proven to actually work or make accurate predictions or etc. and yet.. here we are, where 99.9% of the world believes in things like the big bang and dinosaurs. all because we were told it was proven by science when we were kids, and we were shown it so much in fiction growing up that we internalized it and it's become reality for us. most people dont understand the timeline of human history if you remove these things

>>22884137
there is no smallest measurable unit, the universe is infinite. that means you will always find something no matter how far you look or how small

AI generated paper with no peer review

>>22884171
the last ~50 years has already been money laundering sciencey things, it's all based on theories. especially when you look at space travel progress. we haven't sent a human 1/1000th of the distance back to the moon since 1972.

so here's the official story the US government (which is evil) wants you to believe:

-in 1969-1972 we sent men on the moon first try
-after 1972 we destroyed the technhology to go back to the moon and also the proof that we went
-in 2025 we are unable to send a human being 0.1% of that distance

except NASA's daily budget is $70000000. 70 million dollars.. every single day.. of every single week.. of every single month.. of every single year.. since 1972. imagine how much 70 million USD could change your life? everyone reading this will work their entire lifetime and won't make that much. and that's their budget EVERY SINGLE DAY. and what do we have to show for it? nothing? computer generated images? that's about it

we are already DEEP into the money laundering science

>>22884147
No, the rendering feature of the simulation is capped at the speed of light. Entanglement proves the calculation is constant and static throughout the universe. Just because the information takes time to travel does not mean the calculation was not already done.

>>22884179
It's not pure speculation it's theories based on evidence. There is a shit load of evidence to make theories from and new evidence means the theories change. Of course the world believes in dinosaurs we have their skeletons and even some actual tissue. The idea they didn't exist is retarded

>>22884170
>We live in a world where people think their body is lying to them
This does have some advantages. Not only do they have the tech, they are doing human test already for mind control.
The schizos ranting about weird beliefs about their story or existence are doing it for a reason.
It is a mistake to attribute these delusions as character flaws.
It's not a side effect of the program, it's the main dish

>>22884181
first of all, you're right to say its ai generated and you can tell the OP used ai to write their post as well judging by the em dashes. for example, if i use a dash or double dash it looks like - or --, but OP uses — which is an em-dash and is a very telltale sign of ai writing

that being said though, lets not fall into the trap that even "peer reviewed" papers necessarily mean what they're advocating for is correct. it is incredibly simple for you and me to "peer review" eachother, and if we are both nefarious evil tricksters with lots of money and resources and power, it becomes incredibly easy to pull off

>>22884165
It’s even worse when, like me, you actually studied this shit at university. The leaf in particular comes off as a USDA Certified Grade A moron
>>22884180
Quantum mechanics says otherwise. We also know quantum mechanics and relativity in their current formulations REALLY don’t like each other, so if you ever figure out which one is incomplete (and why) feel free to pick up your Nobel prize

>>22884180
It's this. Same with the opposite direction: There is no "biggest" unit. It's the same outward as it is inward--the same forward as it is backward. There is no such thing as death and time is an illusion.

>>22884134 (OP)
As 4th generation extraterrestrial, I find it amusing to see how overcomplicated you humans make all of this, lol, lmao even.

>>22884187
haha, why dont you dispute me directly then? i would love to debate about anything i said, if you think im a moron, that means you think im wrong, so what do you think im wrong about? want to debate how retarded orbital mechanics are? you give off the vibe of someone who is pseudo-intellectual, probably watched enough youtube videos to feel validated that they're on the "right side" that has the "science to back it up"

quantum mechanics and THEORETICAL physics are total bs and fake and gay

>>22884176
Man I hope you work in a day care.

>>22884178
they already mined the whole ocean floor and this planet is now dying or the ben davidson magnetic field collapse leading to the atmosphere being blown away by the solar wind?

>>22884190
You want me to pull out my diploma? I’m not posting it itt because that’s just stupid to doxx myself like that but the reason I say you’re a retard is that half of the things you say are lies can be directly tested with materials you probably already have lying around. Example: gravity. It exists. Cavendish directly measured it in the 1700s. Look up his experiment and try it out for yourself
Second example: the device you’re using to post your screeds are designed with the confidence that quantum mechanics and its effects are real. The basic ideas are readily available online
Third example: GPS systems rely on special and general relativity both being true. You can build a device that captures the signals and calculate it yourself, see what happens when you don’t account for GR and SR
Want me to keep going?

>>22884134 (OP)
>recently discovered Early Mature Galaxies
Jean Pierre Petit have been saying this since forever in his Janus cosmologic model. Proven correct once again, as always.

>you never doubted me, right anon?

>>22884134 (OP)
Space doesn't exist

>>22884134 (OP)
>If these new findings are accepted..

>>22884193
He's a flat earther by the way, so you know the level of retardation you're dealing with

>>22884134 (OP)
John 1
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Unspoken Crisis in Cosmology

The Gjergo/Kroupa paper inadvertently echoes biblical revelation:

1. Creation was "spoken": Cosmic structure appears fully formed early on—as if commanded into being (Ps 33:9).

2. Human knowledge is limited: We "subtract foregrounds" but miss God's fingerprints in the data.

3. Materialism is circular: When CMB—the "proof" of naturalism—is corrupted, the model implodes.

"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command."

>>22884155
>indian flag

>>22884199
>—
can we please stop fucking posting AI slop here
thanks

>>22884192
the deepest we've ever been in the ocean is only 6 miles, so either earth is tiny and the ocean floor is not that deep, or they are lying to you about how much of earth they've truly explored

>>22884193
do you think a piece of paper makes you accredited? do you think having your diploma means you can't be wrong? do you think it means the science you've been taught can't be speculative?

newton didn't even believe in gravity, the cavendish experiment is falsifiable, it sounds like you were taught some propaganda in 10th grade science class and now you've internalized it. do you think matter can interact with matter across a vast distance with zero background medium? let me reiterate, NEWTON DID NOT EVEN BELIEVE IN GRAVITY LOL! not to mention it's been rewritten entirely since then, now it's the bending and warping of space time.

here's a question to you since you have a degree: how come i can ADD MASS to a balloon (via helium) and it will FLOAT? with MORE MASS, what happens to gravity? how come it's not pulling down on the balloon which is heavier now?

second example: the internet and my computer did not need "quantum mechanics" to operate. to say that "well, we have technology, so all the technology they've ever posited is legitimate" is not intellectually honest

third example: i dont deny we have a sophisticated relay of equipment up in the air, suspended on helium balloons. NASA is the #1 purchaser of over 95% of the worlds helium. do you think the only way you could get wireless internet is with over ten thousand satellites in "orbit" at 17500 mph? have you ever seen a satellite for yourself? you are invoking a technology that neither of us have ever seen, and saying its responsible for the "GPS systems". why dont you look up how much of our internet is done via underwater cables on earth? oh yeah, over 99% of it. so you're telling me we have ten thousand satellites around earth.. doing what exactly?

>>22884200
>haitian flag

>>22884201
>can we please stop fucking posting AI slop here
It's already over, anon
Be glad you lived to see the true Internet, and mourn what it has become

>>22884134 (OP)

>>22884202
>the cavendish experiment is falsifiable
It is not, and if you did so, you would win the Nobel Prize
The rest of your shit is just "I don't understand that more than one force can act on an object"
In short, go back to your Flat Earth threads

>>22884198
we all are, you are just convinced you're spinning at 1000 mph flying through infinite nothingness for all recorded history.. even though our constellations haven't ever changed and the same boring stars have spun above your head endlessly. allegedly we are travelling trillions of miles over hundreds of years, but our earth feels motionless. YOU think its not because you trust jewish scientists over your own body

im the retard but you think pic related is reality without any proof?

>>22884134 (OP)
>I did not believe the scientific research before and this scientific research BTFOs it

>>22884193
Arguing with grade A retards on the internet who don’t have even a basic grasp of math or science just gives you a migraine, bro. Don’t feed him (you)s.

>>22884198
Gotcha, thanks for the heads up. I thought for a moment it might be geepeetee but he’s a little too retarded even for that
>>22884202
The piece of paper doesn’t mean I can’t be wrong, but it does mean I’ve shown myself to be intelligent enough to actually have an opinion on these subjects. I can’t say the same thing about you. Last reply until you can provide actual arguments instead of “uh it’s wrong because it doesn’t make sense to me and I don’t want to do the hour of research I'd need to be more informed”

I built my own cosmic models years ago and am just waiting on the nerds to prove it right. Get on my level dorks.
>hint: its turtles all the way down
>but also up

>>22884206
so your only counterpoint is "cavendish always works and is not falsifiable"? also, is that your only experiment you can provide to show that gravity is real?

i would love to be able to do an experiment that can demonstrate the bending and warping of space time, can you please show me one? oh yeah, can you show me an experiment that shows earth is spinning or orbiting the sun? oh wait, all the top astrophysicists all agree with me that there are zero experiments to prove earths motion:

"the sun is at rest and the earth moves" or "the sun moves and the earth is at rest" would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different coordinate systems - albert einstein, einstein and infeld, the evolution of physics, 1938 ED P. 248

"one can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth OR the sun to be at rest" - stephen hawking 2008

"we know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical signifiance" - astronomer fred hoyle (astronomy and cosmology - a modern course (san francisco: W.H. Freeman & co, 1975) P. 416

so there are ZERO experiments ANY HUMAN can do from earth to prove that we're moving because it's all "relative" according to jewstein, and your ONLY experiment you can present for that space time can warp is a cavendish experiment which like i said is falsifiable entirely?

>>22884210
funny how you need to warn me like you're my daddy that its your last reply, i couldn't care less bro, you are bringing up a high school science experiment as though it proves your entire worldview because a tiny rod twists sometimes when you set up the experiment in a specific way, so therefore you think space time is bending and warping to cause it and that is the only possible way its happening

>>22884134 (OP)
Relativity is more important than Cosmology in an infinite Universe.

>>22884212
>i would love to be able to do an experiment that can demonstrate the bending and warping of space time
The precession of the perihelion of Mercury, and warping of light coming from distant stars past the Sun, usually called the Eddington Experiment
https://mctoon.net/eddingtonredux/
>cavendish experiment which like i said is falsifiable entirely
Do it then
Or tell me how you'd do it
You can't.

>>22884134 (OP)
HOW MANY WOMEN AND JEETS WERE INVOLVED IN THIS "DISCOVERY"

its been my gauge for determining if data has been miscategorized to fit a narrative or some sort of jeeting (cheating) has occurred

>>22884194
Does Jean Pierre Petit have some substantial economical and political patronage from parties interested in keeping the status quo?
No? Tough luck....

>>22884158
Agree but please understand the word theory used technically in science isn't synonymous with hypothesis

>>22884216
Maybe 1 woman? Eda?
Or maybe that's a male Chinese name, like Edamame

>>22884215
LMAO you're posting the demonic mctroon as your sources? the guy who spends his entire living harassing and strawmanning people? the known freemason mctroon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3miRJkteAzE

who sits there and yells like a demon at his mic in his empty room until his face goes red?

also, an observation about how mercury moves is your proof of the bending and warping of spacetime?

guess what, for over 1500 years the entire world used the ptolemy model which is geocentric and this geocentric model could PERFECTLY describe how EVERY planet also moved while assuming earth was completely stationary.. so how exactly is it any "proof" to tell me about how "well, mercury moves in a specific way and our globe model explains it!" when there are geostationary models that also explain it? its not exclusive to us flying through space at 450000mph

>>22884211
The kid couldn't contain himself how much he likes turtles. I wonder if space turtles are friendly and he was rescued from cataclysm by one

>>22884220
I notice you still didn't tell me how you would disprove the Cavendish Experiment
Please do so in your next post so I know that you're not just spouting nonsense that you can't back up with facts

>>22884207
>allegedly we are travelling trillions of miles over hundreds of years, but our earth feels motionless
I dunno. I've been in some jets that, if you close your eyes you wouldn't know you're in motion.
What kind of motion are you expecting to feel? Jerkiness every year or something?

>>22884185
>This is a simulation.
>The people you are killing are just literal NPC characters in a vidya
>Don't forget to take your PCP

>JWST

>>22884222
1. the experiment is so sensitive trying to detect forces that are so weak, as weak as 10^-7 N that ANY environmental factor like a tiny vibration, temperature, breath, air currents, EM fields could skew the result. if your results dont match, they say its your fault and the way you said it up, not the theories fault

2. the experiment relies on circular reasoning, it allegedly "confirms" newtons gravitational law by measuring G, but G was derived from newtonian theory in the first place. it doesn't aim to prove or disprove gravity, it re-affirms what it was designed to prove, making it a circular logic trap

3. there is obviously zero real world correlation because it is not observable at a macroscopic level that "gravity" can attract large masses. why can't two giant 1000kg lead balls be attracted to eachother if it's just something that happens when large masses near one another?

4. a torsion balance is supposed to be isolated from all other forces, but you can't possibly isolate it from electrostatic effects, magnetic fields, etc

the cavendish experiment is a ritual used to brainwash you when you're 12 years old into thinking you're "doing real science to prove gravtiy is real"

>>22884223
even if i grant you the fact that we wouldn't feel it because its like being a jet, its not analagous to me because earth is allegedly in four motions at once. would you feel it if the jet began to descend, turn, ascend, etc?

earth is allegedly
1. spinning eastward at 1040 mph while we feel nothing
2. orbiting the sun at 66600 mph while we feel nothing
3. the sun is flying through space at 450,000 mph carrying the solar system with it while we feel nothing
4. the milky way galaxy is moving at 1.1 million mph carrying the solar system with it while we feel nothing

even if i grant you that we wouldn't feel ANY of the above, i would still require an experiment or some reason to actually prove any of these motions

if i accept that "we wouldnt feel it", it becomes impossible to know the difference between "we arent moving" or "we arent feeling that we're moving". logically, i think what is simplest makes the most sense. i dont feel motion because im not moving. if YOU think that these 4 motions are true, the burden of proof would now lie on you to show me how we can prove to ourselves that these motions are in fact happening. the only "proof" is that allegedly in the 1970s the US government WENT to "outer space" and SAW our "orb spinning in space" which confirmed everything. i deny that entirely, so i would prefer something that you and i can recreate ourselves

>>22884226
>1
Not a falsification, just an appeal to possibility. The fact it is repeated everywhere on Earth by hundreds of people a year is evidence that the experiment works
>2
Does not change the fact that the masses cause the torsion pendulum to swing. Not a falsification
>3
Not a refutation of the experiment, just your own personal incredulity. Not a falsification
>4
I did the experiment inside our physics lab at University, which was had a faraday cage built into the walls of the room (my cell would lose reception)
The metals used were non-magnetic, and all were isolated to a common ground

So in short, you lost, and you think you're way smarter than you are
This is your last (You), because I recognize you from the flat earth threads, and you are not worth the time it takes to reply

>>22884137
>>22884139
Planck was a satellite that measured the CMB

>>22884142
Yes, thanks NASA for culling a bunch of physics theories. There are far too many of them. The entire field of theoretical physics is pretty much bullshit.

>>22884166
Particle physics is a giant scam.
Let the Universe do particle physics for you. It can reach much higher energies.

>>22884168
Better than paying for drag queens to teach transsexual butt sex to first graders here on Earth.

>>22884187
Look into things like ER=EPR, emergent gravity, and holographic universe.
TL;DR Gravity IS quantum mechanics.

>>22884184
there isn't a full dinosaur skeleton im the world, scientists make up news species because they found a little toe bone

>>22884221
They're just another aspect of it all brother
>Trolls Trolling Trolls
>recursive and unending but never beginning
>has is and will be the troll and the trolled
>is that really what your teeth taste like

>>22884228
1. an experiment being repeated is not "evidence that it works", its just people are repeating it. it doesn't suddenly mean "space time exists and is being bent" because people around the world are repeating the experiment, it means the rod appear to twists a little sometimes for some people when they try it. and if not, they say you set it up wrong

2. yes, a big heavy ball would do that. it has nothing to do with the bending and warping of space time

4. even a faraday cage does not isolate electrostatic forces, because they are inherent to all matter, all matter has electrons in it, which means even inside a faraday cage there are electric forces in play interacting with eachother. you could argue they are isolated to a local environment, but if you're being intellectually honest it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to separate electrostatics from matter

in short, you think there was a competition, you are doing this to "win" and defend what you think is your intellectualism, and that you "win" by being "more right" than the other guy. in reality, you are defending jewish science that is entirely fake and gay and retarded, so you can continue to stay lied to. earth is provably motionless, our stars haven't changed for all recorded history, we see 20x farther than the limitations of a 3959 mile radius sphere, and your big rebuttal is that "well, i did a science experiment in high school.. and kids are still doing it all over the world, so gravity is real and im evolved from a monkey for no reason on a space ball!".. right.

>>22884134 (OP)
How come they can tell all this yet can’t tell us exactly if Apophis is going to hit India or not? Suss.

>>22884219
>Dr Pavel is alive and well
holy fuck I just noticed this, someone tell /tv/
>>22884228
>This is your last (You), because I recognize you from the flat earth threads, and you are not worth the time it takes to reply
Yep I came to that realization also. Just call him a nigger and move on

>>22884229
>holographic universe.
Not sure if you're familiar with Erik Verlinde's theory, but the fact that if we assume a Holographic Universe and that entropic forces exist on the Boundary, when you do the math for the thermodynamics you get Newtonian gravity
That alone feels like this is something we should be looking into

https://youtu.be/qYSKEbd956M?t=470

>>22884233
because space is fake and gay and they invented the idea of an "infinite location" so jews can siphon infinite money via the government space agencies (jews own all the governments of the world + their space agencies). its really that simple. not to mention, they can use "outer space" to spread a bunch of fake news. oh yeah, who owns all the news sites and agencies and stations? the jews again. what is ALL the news about outer space?

OH NO ALIENS ARE GONNA INVADE! METEORS ARE GONNA KILL US ALL! THE ECLIPSE IS GOING TO GIVE US THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS! THE SUN IS GOING SUPER HYPER NOVA!

its fear based propaganda. they've invented an infinite "scary place" so that the modern day NPC's think "wow, we need someone exploring that place so we can make some sense out of it!"

>>22884134 (OP)
How many radiation offsets does the average american family need to purchase in order to counterbalance this effect?

>>22884237
Trips! They’ll start charging us for oxygen before they figure out how to monetize this.
https://www.sciencealert.com/an-extreme-drop-in-oxygen-will-eventually-suffocate-most-life-on-earth

>>22884238
this is more fear based propaganda. plants on earth literally make oxygen for you infinitely. yes, we are poisoning our earth, yes, we should be doing something about it. but worrying about "earth is going to become uninhabitable! the ozone layer! the rising sea levels! the global warming! the climate change! the melting ice caps!" is really not the problem. we live in abundance, we can support tens of billions, the problem we have is simple: greedy, wealthy jews have owned humanity for thousands of years, and they own us like cattle and livestock. and im sitting here shaking the bars of our prison going PRISON BREAK PRISON BREAK 1 2 3! and 99% of you fags sit here socially shaming me for trying to show you the truth, as if i'm the retard for denying their jewish lies and articles. ANYONE CAN MAKE A BLOG POST ON THE INTERNET!! they OWN the internet, the internet was released by DARPA, its a control tool for your MIND! they KNOW that you care about the top comment, they KNOW that you care about the most popular review, etc. anyone in control of that stuff controls our minds! we need to wake up!

they didn't listen to the black sheep because the black sheep was not in a place of authority, even though he was telling the rest of the sheep that they're being marched to their death

>>22884235
this channel is probably designed for teens and I'm still too retarded to follow along with the video

>ctrl-f mathis bait thread

>>22884240
its pseudoscience and meant to be fucking dumb and retarded

you should watch something about reality like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hnrlyOvUcQ instead you're welcome

>>22884240
Depends on the video
They definitely have had some targeted at high school kids, but this one is targeted at college+
And this one in particular builds off 2 other video he's shown explaining some of the fundamentals of the holographic universe theory

>>22884235
>string theory
Opinion discarded

>>22884134 (OP)
Of course the big bang is fake. It's Jewish atheist/satan worship bullshit. Just like nuclear weapons, vaccines, or much more. All Jewish mythos to attack Christianity.
>D8888D

>>22884245
>GUY WE KNOW HOW EVERYTHING STARTED FOR SURE, IT WAS 100% NOT GOT, THERE US NO GOD!
>GUYS WE CURED ALL DISEASES JUST MAKE SURE TO GIVE US MONEY TO POISON YOU
>US GOVERNMENTS ARE THE MOST POWEEFUL PEOPLE EVER THAT COULD KILL EVERYONE WITH NUKES, BUT WE ARE NICE SO WE DON'T!

I certainly belief the Jewish patent thief. Albert Einstein....

>>22884153
get to the point.
WORDW WORSS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
holy fuck GET TO THE POINT.

>>22884247
its hard to jump to the conclusion, i consider it a 100 step process. step 1 is something like looking into who killed JFK, step 2 is something like looking into who was behind 9/11.. step 100 is "YHWH is real and there is a very real Creator you could have a personal relationship with"

most people can't just jump at step 100 and go "oh yeah, wow, cool, i learned something today!"

it even took me, personally, quite a while to really internalize and accept it, because we were brainwashed so deeply for so many years by the cult of scientism we were both raised by

>>22884184
Are these the same scientists that claim trannies are actually the sex they pretend to be?>>22884185

>>22884245
>>22884246
The big bang was conceived by a physics priest you fags.

>>22884184
sorry but skeletons doesn't mean anything, of course we have skeletons on earth, but they are making claims like they know they belonged to giant lizards from 300000000 years ago. and you believe it why? i believed it too, because they said they had science to back it up. carbon-dating. radio-metric dating. i accepted it and didn't look much deeper into it. but when you really look into it.. there has NEVER been ONE single fossil of ANY species of ANY dinosaur ever discovered, only partial bones. yet they have tons of profiles for each of them. not to mention, carbon dating hasn't worked ever and has only been done for 70 years, so trying to argue that monitoring the decay of carbon levels for 70 years somehow tells you the truth about 300000000 years ago is nonsensical. there are tons of sources that carbon dating is fake, and zero that it actually works. they've carbon dated the same "fossil" at 3 different universities and gotten dates millions of years apart. they've carbon dated samples from the same mammoth and gotten dates tens of thousands of years apart. not to mention, carbon dating doesn't work on bones that have touched moisture, dirt, or mud, aka basically every fossil ever found. and the way they find "dinosaur bones" specifically is by going to "dinosaur digsites", which is not how archaeology works for any other species. you never go out of your way to specifically only look for a species, you are just digging to see what you can find

https://rumble.com/v2yp50k-eric-dubay-dinosaurs-never-existed.html

saying dinosaurs definitely exist based on the science we have available to us and the proof they have provided is what is retarded

i believed in them too by the way, but its okay to update your opinion once you learn more about a topic. there's no shame in humility in it. we were deceived as kids. think about it, when did you first hear of a dinosaur? probably when you were 2-3 years old before you knew anything about evil jewish liars

>>22884147
Simulation is such a fucking weak cop out, what have you done but delay meaningful questions? Musk said he thinks we live in a simulation, but he seem awfully attached to physical products, having kids and holding onto his money. Your simulation messiah will not save you anon, keep searching for truth.

>>22884250
you mean a jesuit priest who took a jesuit oath sworn to secrecy to push the jesuit agenda under any circumstance? who masqueraded as "just a chill physics priest" to get people like you to defend him even though you know nothing about him, his organization, or how evil they are?

>>22884252
musk is a false prophet loser who said stuff like "ill put a man on mars in 10 years" 14 years ago, meanwhile his rockets are blowing upon the launchpad and no human being has been 0.1% of the distance to the moon since the moon landings lol

>>22884155
>Jewsuit

>>22884245
>Why doesn't IQ scale down
We wuz beein mini genious n shiet

>>22884134 (OP)
oh no
there's still a big bang
anyways

>>22884257
source?

>>22884137
all of it is always wrong and eventually replaced with some other theoritical bullshit. Science literally is fake and gay. Consensus based models... that's it. It's the flavor of insanity that's considered fashionable today by oversocialised academic faggots.

Just trust your own eyes - and as aristotle once said: find equilibrium between logic and feeling.

>>22884232
Stars have moved in recorded history you niggerbrained fuck

>>22884161
There was no creation, Existence always existed.

>>22884260
the same stars rotate over and over polaris, over your head, over and over, for all recorded history, the same stars have been in the same place at the same time of the night for your entire life. if there are any stars outside our constellations we would call them "planets", the etymology for planet is literally "wandering light/wandering star" because they are the only few that deviate from this, and even "planets" are still on their own cycle in the sky over and over above your head

my point is that we are not flying trillions of miles over hundreds of years. first of all, we dont feel any motion. second of all, the stars are the exact same as our ancestors mapped them out thousands of years ago. the constellations are not any closer, brighter, dimmer, more spread out, etc. the stars are fixed and do not change, they simply rotate above a fixed point (polaris, our north star)

polaris does not move. in fact, the georgia guidestones which were destroyed had a tiny hole in them that always pointed to polaris, if the entire earth were spinning eastward, orbiting the sun, etc, it would be impossible for a stationary rock on the ground to always point to the unmoving star in the sky, yet guess what, that's exactly what it did. there are tons of earth-fixed monuments that are pointing directly to certain stars as well

>God- 45

>Science- 0

>>22884261
you can argue that if you really want to, sure, but i specifically mean this creation, this earth that we find ourselves on, where our souls are piloting these temporary human bodies for 80 years.. all of this is a creation, that had a start point

>the same stars rotate over and over polaris, over your head, over and over, for all recorded history, the same stars have been in the same place at the same time of the night for your entire life.
This is not true
Polaris has changed measurably and is documented in naval almanacs

>>22884253
Checked. Jesuits are crypto jews

>>22884265
>flatearth.ws
our entire night sky is shifting at once by a small amount, this is known and has been tracked for thousands of years, the fact that "polaris is moving" doesn't tell the whole story, because it's really the entire night sky that is moving with it. the underlying point is that THE ENTIRE NIGHT SKY IS FIXED and non-changing, everything is still exactly relative to polaris as it has always been. the stars are on a clock. this whole place is a creation

the sun is part of the clock. it tells you the time of day

the moon is part of the clock. it tells you the time of the month with its 28 day phases

the stars are part of the clock. they tell you the time of the year as well as track the centuries going by as they very slowly "tick". your nautical maps over 25,600 years will eventually have numbers that return back to where they started. in astronomy, this 25,600 year period of the stars resetting to their origin point is called a "a great year"

you're posting flatearth.ws pre-made propaganda to try to suggest the stars are moving, which you should only say if you follow it up with the fact that they're moving together, have been fixed together for all time, and are clearly moving on a pre-determined path together

>the stars are fixed and do not change
Barnard's Star has changed noticeably year-over-year when referenced against the much further distant background stars
An amateur-level telescope can make these same observations over a period of 5 years and see this movement, for less than $1000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard's_Star

>wall of text, massive claim
>look inside
>link to a twitter post

>>22884134 (OP)
>he thinks space exists
lmao. ngmi.

>>22884143
>Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
First of all, you don't even know what planet you're on, so why should anyone take you seriously?

Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
============================
This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
============================

And for absolute clarity, let me say this: The event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this planet isn't Earth. It's Bozrah.

>>22884252
>keep searching for truth.
See this post ... >>22884516

>>22884516
>twitter post

>>22884134 (OP)
why does this even matter. Like "oh no we don't know how the universe was made' isn't exactly a pressing issue right now. Like im sure they're just gonna figure it out eventually

>>22884535
it's based on a twitter thread

>>22884535
>Like "oh no we don't know how the universe was made' isn't exactly a pressing issue right now.
that is true though lol

>>22884235
These guys are all nerds. They're fundamentally like the outcast nerds sperging and bullshitting with each about their specials interests outside the high school, but they've got 30 more IQ points, high-end maths and Phds. The psychological shortcomings are the same. All this crazy stuff they waste time with is geeks wanking themselves off. They aren't like the serious men of the past.
>>22884199
This is Plato and logos meets Semitic merchant word-parsing and primitive notions about written language having magical power. This is where Jews get their whole thing for behaving as if reality itself is made out of words, whatever words they can get you to believe usually, and also their taste for propaganda and absolute denial of physical realty in favor of "the text". Everything is a "text", from the human mind to the Universe itself. Words, words, words....as Hamlet complained.

FREAKING JANNIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>22884186
I... I like using "—" dashes... Looks more stylish to me...