Thread 22970369

What can we do about Christians who don’t follow Christ’s teachings. I swear that for every good Christian that genuinely care about the well-being of others there are ten who are just evil. Is this just an American problem. Are there any other countries where Christian population is more normal?

Remove the jews like Joel Olstein.

>>22970370
Fair. I also think something needs to be done about these mega churches. They steal money from old phones like demonic parasites.

>>22970369 (OP)
This is a problem as ancient as Christianity. Look up the parable of the wheat and the tares. Even early Pagan writers like Celsus had serious complaints.
>And so they invite into membership those who by their own account are sinners: the dishonest, thieves, burglars, poisoners, blasphemers of all descriptions, grave robbers. I mean–what other cult actually invites robbers to become members! Their excuse for all of it is that their god was sent to call sinners: well, fair enough.
So if you're upset that your company is nothing but crooked humans, good! It means that Jesus is getting the people who need some kind of moral reform into the Church. If you want righteousness spend time around virtue ethicists and stoics.

As a basic tennent of christianity, most christians don't even belive that Jesus Christ was God on earth. Also, they don't belive in true gentile spread of the gospel. If you bar christianty from others on the grounds of ethnicity, YOU AREN'T CHRISTIAN.

Sorry :(

>>22970370
One day all the jews will simply disappear, and no one will notice because it's such a small number of people... but mysteriously all the evil in the world will vanish like BBC posting when Iran was bombing Mossad.

>>22970372
The issue is that these bad people never take in the lessons. They don’t seem capable of understanding that the way they live their life is at odds with the scripture. There is no redemption for many of these people and more often than not they poison the well with their hate and gossip.

>>22970369 (OP)
>Care about the well-being of others

What do you mean by this? In what way do you see people not being cared for as they should be, by Christians in particular?

>>22970369 (OP)
Modern people are filled with lots of ideological demonism. People do not suddenly turn "perfect" or "good" once they call themselves "Christian".

A good Christian is someone who is immersed in the word of God in my opinion. Someone who takes the word seriously and studies it as it should be.
Modern Christians are lukewarm and full of zionist nonsense or Roman Catholic nonsense, LARPing as BasedTradCath. It's ridiculous. I can understand why God spew the modern church world out of his mouth, I feel the same disgust at modern Christianity. People are so indifferent nowadays, you can bitch-slap the most important and most amazing truths into modern people's faces and they just look at you with a blank stare and go "hurr du durrr, look how retarded I am, therefore you are wrong."

>>22970376
Like homeless veterans. Heard the old women at my church talking shit about the guy that stands in front of our Walmart and I pointed out how this isn’t something that Jesus would approve us. They glared at me. This isn’t my normal church since I’m away for college.

>>22970378
Maybe the dude is a scammer? How do you know that they haven't tried to help him and they learned that he is just cheating people out of their money? In what way do you expect Christians to step up and help these people? Did you hear what the women were saying exactly?

Seems like a lot of variables here but if they were just being mean then it was good of you to correct them as that is what the bible instructs us to do.

>>22970369 (OP)
In general, I've found most folks don't actually understand the religion they blindly follow. Most would-be Christians I've spoken to simply have the bible preached to them and haven't read it themselves, and thus their perception of what it is to be a "Good Christian" is tainted by the ones preaching what is, most of the time, not gospel, but opinionated trash meant to push an agenda.

If more people would actually read the text, I figure less people would claim Christ as their savior, but it's so easy to sit back and claim the faith while practicing nothing related to it.

As it stands, nobody's surviving the human condition. Judgement will come, one way or the other.

>>22970369 (OP)
>Christ's teachings
>pretend to know the exact form and behaviors that God wants you take to express his teachings at all times
it ridiculous to get angry about people not being "Christ-like" because the only person who could do it is Christ himself
thats the whole point
you are trash and only God can redeem your through himself
The argument for a Christian is to bring people unto Christ.
The rest his jurisdiction

>>22970369 (OP)
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

>>22970369 (OP)
I can't wait until the orange man is gone and we can return to hating cops and defying Republican redneck gun nut authority in the small Midwestern towns. I pray to God every day for this vice that killed Jesus to be taken off my King David head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHzHNGdLAU

what about the wrinkly old fucks?

>>22970382
>"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."- John 6:39

The will of God is not that people would treat each other better it's that we would come to Christ for salvation and through salvation we would begin to grow in grace and knowledge, our behavior changes as a result of our closeness to God, this is why a Christian can still be saved and yet behave as though they have never been saved it's because the closer we stay to our savior the more fruit we produce, the further we stray from the Lord Jesus Christ the less and less fruit we produce until we are unprofitable and are in danger of swift judgement.

>>22970385
I am the
Lord the Savior
And I have such plans for the animal human race
You won't even recognize it

Eat. Be ready

Choose. Watch. I also post on /b/. Be prepared

>>22970369 (OP)
There are a lot of false converts out there, but for brethren gone astray, pray for them, and for you and for me.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.” (1 Corinthians 10:12)

>>22970381
Heavenly trips of TRUTH witnessed.

>>22970369 (OP)
The problem is the Bible is a mess and illustrates Jesus as contradicting himself several times. The Bible contradicts itself over and over again on almost every issue. Just name one and I'll tell you.

What you believe to be the objective teachings of the Bible is simply just what you've cherry picked. And this has been the case since the beginning. Because the source material is flawed.

>>22970369 (OP)
Not really our place. That's between them and God. Still people act this way because others let them get away with it. Call out bad behavior, be willing to fight about it, and watch them squirm.

>>22970389
>The problem is the Bible is a mess and illustrates Jesus as contradicting himself several times. The Bible contradicts itself over and over again on almost every issue. Just name one and I'll tell you.

Give me your very best example of the alleged contradictions, the "no way this guy's gonna remain christian after this" kind.

News flash: There aren't any, just unlearned, dishonest people nitpicking verses out of context from corrupt bible translations.

>>22970369 (OP)
Travel to deep Africa and preach the good word. They're are desperately in need.

>>22970369 (OP)
I'm glad uou made him brown and jewish, like he actually was.

>>22970369 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://youtu.be/eT_RUdBTlp4

>>22970369 (OP)
Ah let me guess, the people you don't like are not progressive, don't like gays, and are not giving all their money to every homeless junkie they see.

>>22970394
Am. I exist wow now!

Every day the same thing. Every day the same response.

>>22970395
“For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.” (Deuteronomy 7:6)

A jew is anybody whose legal right can be traced back to Jacob.

That has been a problem since the Pharisees

>>22970369 (OP)
>I hate Christianity
>let me tell you why you're a bad Christian

Fuck off.

>>22970392
>Give me your very best example of the alleged contradictions, the "no way this guy's gonna remain christian after this" kind.
No proof of contradiction would change your mind. Part of the issue is that the side of an issue you like you consider literal, and the contradictions you have been told various ways to get around them, often suggesting they aren't literal or there is some unnamed contextual issues that makes blatant sentences mean something completely different.

Let's go with a simple one.
>God hates all sinners (Psalm 5:5)
>Be like God (Matthew 5:48)
It is straightforward and reasonable to decide you should also hate all sinners because God does that.

>Love everyone (5:44)
This one is routinely cherry picked

So now if you decide to respond you will give me the cope about how the old testament is not applicable anymore -- which jesus contradicted in the Bible when he said every jot and tittle of old testament law will be in place until heaven and Earth passes away, when all is fullfilled-- (Matthew 5:18). Or you'll try and look up an argument and they'll tell you that Psalm 55 was written by David in a prayer to God. At which point you're admitting that what's written in the Bible and declared in the Psalms is just some dudes ramblings that could be right or wrong. Which you will conveniently forget when citing one that helps your cause for some other issue.

It goes on and on.

Following Jesus isn't about "caring about others", it's about doing God's will. If God brings you someone to help, you help them (like I'm doing for the OP now so he can better understand what it means to be a Christian), but going around feeding random poor people is not what it means to follow Jesus.
Following Jesus means to submit to God, the way Jesus submitted to God during his time on Earth, and to do God's will, the way Jesus did God's will. If God wants you to help a specific person, then you help that person (God will give you the guidance and ability to help them), but only if that person comes to you for help. This is how Jesus helped people, and so this is how his followers should help them.
The notion that Christians should help everyone, everywhere, all the time, is propaganda not based on scripture.

For further clarification, see the parable on the ten virgins and their oil lamps.

>>22970369 (OP)
it is easy stop following the jews and declare them enemies, till then you are the enemy of the people

>>22970392
>no way this guy's gonna remain christian after this" kind.
No one cares if you're Christian bro. There just no good reason to be one either.

As for your "God" he's a victim causality otherwise he wouldn't need to change his mind so much.

>>22970401
>No proof of contradiction would change your mind
That's the same memeflaggot from earlier who thinks that killing babies and raping little girls is OK as long as God says so

>>22970395
>there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people
I hate Jews as much as you, but don't spread lies about the Bible.

>>22970405
And here is a supposed Christian completely comfortable with violating one of Gods supposed most pinnacle commands -- though shall not bear false witness. This guy is declaring to everybody that I've done something that I haven't, something he's just guessing about yet declaring as a fact. And without a fear in the world. Because this is just a hobby to him. A hobby he likes to elevate in psychological importance because it fills a void in his life. But he doesn't actually believe it. Otherwise he would be in mortal fear right now from having just blatantly violated one of the most very basic commandments from his God.

>>22970395
>there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people.
That phrase is an umbrella characterizing very blatant teachings of the Old testament. Jesus took this away from them (the Pharisees in there I'll, anyway) in Matthew 21:43. You should probably familiarize yourself with this so your arguments don't sound ill informed anymore.

>>22970372
the reality of this is that you now have the dishonest, burglars, poisoners, blasphemers of all descriptions, grave robbers, etc. in the church
explains pretty well why things are they way they are

>>22970407
Bro please re-read my reply. I was talking about the memeflag you responded to

>>22970410
No. You suck cock now.

You got fucking shit on

>>22970410
Ah ok mb

>511002259
>the christcuck is a dishonest well poisoner
color me surprised

>>22970389
>The Bible contradicts itself over and over again
lets hear it

>>22970411
Kek

>>22970412
All g

>>22970414
>lets hear it
>>22970401

The Slayer is Dangerous. Keep Your Distance.

>>22970401
Part 1:

>No proof of contradiction would change your mind.

Proof of contradiction is imposdible to produce when it comes to God's word. You may try, though.

>Part of the issue is that the side of an issue you like you consider literal.

It doesn't matter if I like something or not. If the book says it, it's true. Also most of the bible is to be taken literally, and the few places where you're not supposed to, are contexted quite clearly as to let you know beforehand.

>and the contradictions you have been told various ways to get around them, often suggesting they aren't literal or there is some unnamed contextual issues that makes blatant sentences mean something completely different.

Not me.

>Let's go with a simple one.
>God hates all sinners (Psalm 5:5)
>Be like God (Matthew 5:48)
It is straightforward and reasonable to decide you should also hate all sinners because God does that.

Lying already?

Let's break it down:

“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” (Psalms 5:5)

“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48)

It's telling you specifically to be perfect, which means to do your best to keep His commandments. It is not telling you to mimick God and all his attributes, or to hate, let alone as God hates, which He does with a holy hatred that men don't have the capacity for.

>Love everyone (5:44)
This one is routinely cherry picked.

It is.

>>22970401
Part 2:

>So now if you decide to respond you will give me the cope about how the old testament is not applicable anymore -- which jesus contradicted in the Bible when he said every jot and tittle of old testament law will be in place until heaven and Earth passes away, when all is fullfilled-- (Matthew 5:18).

Not at all. Without the OT the NT makes no sense, and nobody quoted the OT more than Jesus Himself.

>Or you'll try and look up an argument and they'll tell you that Psalm 55 was written by David in a prayer to God. At which point you're admitting that what's written in the Bible and declared in the Psalms is just some dudes ramblings that could be right or wrong. Which you will conveniently forget when citing one that helps your cause for some other issue.

Not even close.

“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)

>It goes on and on.

If that's the best you can come up with, you're in for some rude awakening.

>>22970414
>>22970392
Anyway, I'm not even trying to convince you to stop being a Christian. Imo, Catholicism is a white religion that uses character from a previous jewish lore. And then only acknowledges the Greek ethics jews used in the Bible to sell the original lore to whites. Much of white spiritual heritage was melded into catholicism, like the Divine feminine -- where Mary was raised up to be a co-redeem. Just took the place of Freya or the Celtic Brigid. In fact the Irish Catholic Church still makes Brigid crosses out of rush. And celebrate "St. Brigid Day" on Brigid's old pagan day. Plenty of aspects like this are replete in the Catholic Church. So I consider it a continuation of white spiritual heritage. Tho widely subverted, like many other things, today.

I'm guessing you're Protestant tho. Which relies entirely on cherry picking the Bible itself. Which has led to major problems, pushing in jewish subversion to white countries.

>>22970369 (OP)
A lot of them seem to think repenting is just their own moral get out of jail free card to be used regularly. The hypocrisy never set well with me.

>>22970419
>“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” (Psalms 5:5)
>“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48)
>It's telling you specifically to be perfect, which means to do your best to keep His commandments.

>Which means
The statement doesn't need your help to elaborate and clear it up. It's very clear already without your additions. You are to be perfect like God is perfect. If God hates sinners, you are to also hate sinners. Or are you suggesting God is imperfect? That not hating sinners is really the right way? That being perfectly god is perfect is ignoring being like him in certain aspects that you deem unfit? Nonsense.

>>22970369 (OP)
The children of satan have subverted Christianity to such an extent that people do not understand what is right or wrong anymore. The parasite must be removed before Christianity can heal.

>>22970421
I'm not protestant, I'm a bible thumpist.

>>22970420
You responded to statements I made and your responses had nothing to do with what I wrote. Very strange.

Anyway, as I cited and you ignored, Jesus declared that not one jot and tittle of Torah law can be ignored until everything is fulfilled, until heaven and Earth pass away. He said that he who teaches to not keep even the least of the law will be considered least in the Kingdom.

Of course, Paul contradicts this later in the Bible when he explains that you don't even have to follow even the most basic foundation of the law, foreskin circumcision, anymore. A very clear jot and tittle.
>But Jesus said it's circumcision of the heart now
Right -- this is where Jesus contradicts Jesus by changing jots and tittles all over right after saying not one job and tittle will pass away. Changing eye for an eye is was another example of this contradiction.

What's funny about this passage is that there are no sources outside the bible that recorder it.

>>22970401
Matthew is speaking directly about loving your enemies.
"Therefore you shall be perfect (in loving your enemies) just as your Father in heaven is perfect"
Man being 'like' God does not mean we are to be god. Man does not judge as God
"Love" doesn't mean tolerate abuse, disrespect or violence.
All of your disagreements come down to semantics and misinterpreting scripture lol

>>22970369 (OP)
You need to read your gospel of Luke and get this Kumbaya bullshit out of your head. We fight principalities, not people. But we come to bring the sword, and we cut out the eye that causes us to sin - even if that eye is an entire race of people. Jesus was sick of explaining this shit to smooth brained retards like you and I see why

The worst people in this world are Jews and Leftists. Christians are their enemies.

>>22970420
>Not at all. Without the OT the NT makes no sense, and nobody quoted the OT more than Jesus Himself.
What's interesting about the OT is that it says the coming king would be of the flesh and blood of David. But Jesus isn't that as Joseph isn't his father and Mary has zero recorded genealogy

>>22970406
>i hate God’s people
We’ve got a Gog uMagog perp here folks

>>22970428
>Man being 'like' God does not mean we are to be god. Man does not judge as God
Well this is yet another contradiction of the bible. Paul tells us in Corinthians that the spiritual man judges ALL THINGS. Jesus teaches to judge, just don't judge hypocritically. It's reasonable to Garner that the entire point of this life, is that we will one day even judge the angels, and this is training. But of course, the very fact that we are not all knowing, like God is, disqualifies us from being as perfect as he is on the issue. But we are still commanded to it strive for it anyway.

Understanding what a sin is and when somebody is sinning is a basic Christian concept. So we are fully cable to be like God and also hate sinners -- which is even easier if you are of a denomination that says everybody's a sinner (present tense)
I also didn't suggest that love meant to tolerate abuse disrespect or violence. But love is the opposite of hate and according to the Bible you must hate everybody and love everybody. Because it contradicts itself on the issue like it does pretty much every single issue you can think of.

>>22970369 (OP)
By what metric are we defining said people?

>>22970433
But again, I'd like to point out I'm not trying to dissuade anybody from being a Christian. My issue is with relying on the Bible exclusively for your theology. It's dishonest because you have to disregard things. It makes a liar of you and your led down a road that is easily manipulated by jews.

>>22970423
>The statement doesn't need your help to elaborate and clear it up.

It does, because you're pairing up two completely unrelated verses.

>It's very clear already without your additions.

“Shall any teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high.” (Job 21:22)

I can use that very clear text against drug abuse if I'm dishonest enough to leave context out.

>You are to be perfect like God is perfect. If God hates sinners, you are to also hate sinners.

Nope. That's for God to do, not us, and exactly the reason there's no explicit commandment for it anywhere in that book. When the Lord Jesus Christ shows up, He teaches us exacyly how God wants us to deal with sinners. Mercy and grace are God's actual commandment regarding sinners for us.

>Or are you suggesting God is imperfect?

You said it, not me.

>That not hating sinners is really the right way?

The right way for Him if he chooses to (just as He chose to kill the world with a flood and we christians are not commanded to kill anybody for Him), but not for us, as we are commanded the exact opposite.

>That being perfectly god is perfect is ignoring being like him in certain aspects that you deem unfit? Nonsense.

We are not God, we cannot be God and we will never be God, and all we can do is keep his commandments.

>>22970370
>>22970371
Christianity is nonsense. Christians believe that a middle easterner from 2000 years ago will reappear one day, bring the dead back to life, and set up a utopian heaven-on-earth for a period of time. There might be problems with other religions, but they don't believe anything as retarded as that.

In the face of science and AI, western civilization is greatly weakened by pursuing a middle eastern nonsense religion. Adopting open ended Roman or Greek philosophy would be better. Even worshipping Furina would be better.

>>22970436
>>You are to be perfect like God is perfect. If God hates sinners, you are to also hate sinners.
>Nope. That's for God to do, not us,
That doesn't make any sense.


>Be like God
>No you should love what he hates -- that makes perfect sense and is fully in line with being like God
This is what I'm talking about. There's no point in having a conversation with you guys because you ignore blatantly straightforward sentences and just go off on these nonsensical tangents of inserting ideas and concepts to make it fit your pretzel twisting.

>>22970431
Jews traced their legal right through the father, not the mother, and Jesus' foster father (legally the same as a biological one under the law) ties back to the throne through David/Solomon. You can read the whole genealogy in the gospel of Matthew.

>>22970429
Doesn't it seem convenient dor (((some))) namely the authors that the Bible suggests that you are fighting against an intangible thing "principalities" instead of the (((people))) who are causing the problems? You've been fighting principalities for millennia and made no headway. Perhaps it's time to change tactics instead of being pacified by the promise of a better existence in a next life that may not be true.

>>22970439
>Jews traced their legal right through the father,
>legal right
The prophecy is flesh and blood. So that's irrelevant

>>22970439
>You can read the whole genealogy in the gospel of Matthew.
Which contradicts Luke or the other way around.

>>22970438
For the record, I did not say these things you quoted:

>Be like God
>No you should love what he hates -- that makes perfect sense and is fully in line with being like God".

>>22970442
Yes I know -- I was paraphrasing your argument. Or are you now saying that if we love something God hates, it actually ISN'T in line with the commandment to be like God? If so, welcome back to the realm of the logical and uncoping.

>>22970375
Understand what? Jesus died for their sins so they can now go and do whatever they want. Free ticket to heaven. Christianity is morally bankrupt theologically

>>22970444
To be fair, that's just a popular Western easy beliefism version of protestantism. Which, yes, is absolutely nonsensical. However it's based on just taking one side of yet another contradiction the Bible offers. For instance:
>“He that says, I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1John 2:4)

Meanwhile, Paul is busy saying all you need is faith. It doesn't matter that in Matthew, Jesus is damning people who passed his litmus test of faith (believes he is who he says he is and can do what he says he can do). And he straight up says he's damning them because they worked iniquity. Their faith didn't save them.

It's no surprise the easy believism side of this contradiction is more popular these days.

>>22970419
Want to explain why the bible says you can rape virgins and pay her father 50 shekels to purchase her?

>>22970445
Because Paul is a heretic kike sent to subvert from the teachings of Jesus. He literally calls Jesus a curse.

>>22970441
>The prophecy is flesh and blood. So that's irrelevant.

Chapter and verse.

>Which contradicts Luke or the other way around.

No it doesn't, but it's not something simpletons are going to discern right away; This requires study.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnMVfvHdWOA

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVv6KqYvvE

>>22970447
Well if you believe this, then I salute you for acknowledging a problem with the Bible. It's much more commendable than making cope to get around Paul.

>>22970419
>>22970420
stop reddit spacing and remove your flag, faggot
God teaches to hate the sin, not the sinner. Guarantee you're a protestant or some sect where your retarded interpretations of the Lords word brings people further away from Him.

>>22970369 (OP)
>What can we do about Christians?
Race war

>>22970447
>>22970449
Nm, you already know the Bible has problems because you're not retarded.

>>22970449
The bible is completely corrupt with unknown authors and riddled with contradictions. They literally eat "god" and drink his blood in church. Even the foreskin even kikes are surprise Pikachu face

>>22970450
More intangible bullshit. It's a lot more effective to just deal with the sinner directly.

>>22970452
The Bible is written by men. Not by god. Just like every other religious text. Funny how they all tell the same stories. Almost like they are channeling something that can’t be written in a book

>>22970448
>The prophecy is flesh and blood. So that's irrelevant.
>Chapter and verse.
In 2 Samuel 7:12-16, God promises David that a future king will come from his lineage, a descendant "of your own body."

>>Which contradicts Luke or the other way around.
>No it doesn't
It does
>but it's not something simpletons are going to discern right away; This requires study
This isn't an argument. You assume I havent studied. Very disingenuous of you

>>22970454
Yeah I find it interesting when Christians mock other faiths over human sacrifice when their entire foundation is built on a human sacrifice and cannibalism.

>>22970369 (OP)
I dont know but does a jesus thread not belong on /x/

I think so...

Btw theres also gnostic jesus
https://youtu.be/oRtTgxbq1EQ

>>22970446
The word "rape" has many more implications in today's world han what the real text actually conveys:

“¶ If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

In any event, my answer is "because God wanted it so".

>>22970456
Well it's not difficult to make different versions of a narrative. The problems come when basic theological fundamentals start contradicting themselves. Then we have more than human error in trying to honestly report objective events. What we actually have is just a bunch of anonymous jews trying to keep a story straight while their agendas shift over time. They were also trying to incorporate Greek ethics and stoicism in order to attract whites.

>>22970460
Excuse me? Rape means rape. And what do you mean god wanted it?

If your virgin unbetrothed daughter gets raped, will you accept 50 shekels and say well darling this is your new hubby now enjoy life?

What a filthy way of thinking

>>22970451
Kek, the Bible is clear

>>>> only humans go to heaven, so no niggers allowed

>>22970421
Following God is not a religion. Catholic means universal. The original Church Fathers were all Catholic. God sent out rays of truth within every religion. Socrates was literally killed for picking up on one of these rays. Only Christianity materializes from myth into reality.
>>22970433
Man's discernment differs from Gods Judgement.
You have no argument as you don't understand what judge or love or like or any word means really.

>>22970460
>my answer is "because God wanted it so"
Which anyone can use to excuse shit behavior. So it's a fucking terrible argument to reply with.

>amerimutts debate how best to follow teachings of a fictional jewish rabbi
god bless america

>>22970369 (OP)
Well the ones who protect sodomites even though the Bible says several times its a major sin should be dealt with first I believe and since the Lord Jesus came to fulfill such things it would be in keeping with his preachings

>>22970369 (OP)
the wonderful thing about AI, is it can dispel ignorance even about spiritual matters and religion. OP claimed something about Jesus/God and his followers. well lets see what the Bible says.

because your little meme here was clearly made by a bad person. oops

>>22970455
Because all prisoner's end up becoming rehabilitated right ?

>>22970372
no. stoicism is not the path to God.

>>22970464
>Catholic means universal. The original Church Fathers were all Catholic
I know that's something the Catholic church says, but the Catholic church was thematically created in the forth century, and developed by people like Thomas Aquinas later on in Europe when it became a white religion. When it elevated Mary to take the place of Freya or Bridget as the feminine divine which was important to White spiritual heritage. All these aspects of white spiritual heritage molding the church into what it is known as today is when the Catholic church was truly made.

>>22970454
who the fuck let this inbred goat fucker mohammed (piss be upon you) in the thread
Stick to fucking goats and praying with a compass to your black cube of baal you fucking sand nigger

>>22970375
its because the process known as sanctification isn't just some miraculous and instantaneous transformation. people seem to have this false idea in their minds, false standards and expectations for Christians. that they MUST be as perfect as Jesus is otherwise they are somehow an enemy of Christ and a really horrible hypocrite. when you open your heart or have faith in Jesus it begins that process of becoming holy. it takes effort. just like you don't teleport to the top of a mount, or just float out of a valley.. YOU CLIMB. YOU STRIVE.. YOU TRY. and the Holy Spirit fills you with the strength and understanding you need to make it there, and to help others find their way there.

and those who are at the bottom, those who are furthest from God, the worst sinners.. wen they repent, when they begin to fight.. HEAVEN REJOICES. as for hypocrites and pretenders? you mean like jews? thats who Jesus was calling out and confronting. those who outwardly appeared to be of God, and about the Father.. But they were not! their outwardly display of being holy, clean and pure was FALSE.

notice how Jews do this so often, they try and blame Christians for their own faults. they try and shift it all onto Christians, when its supposed to apply to them first!

>>22970464
>Man's discernment differs from Gods Judgement.
>You have no argument as you don't understand what judge or love or like or any word means really.
I didn't suggest that we have the authority of God's judgment. We can't wipe out the entire world besides eight people if we feel like it. So stop stawmanning me. I said that we understand what sin is and can easily hate sinners just as God does. Which is in line with the command to be like God. Mimicking God's character does not mean commandeering his authority. Stop being so disingenuous.

>>22970472
What kind of reply is that? Are you sure Jesus would be happy with this type of behavior?

Also want to answer this absolute subhuman disgusting filthy retarded nonsense? How do you justify killing suckling babies?

>>22970457
>In 2 Samuel 7:12-16, God promises David that a future king will come from his lineage, a descendant "of your own body."

That's Solomon you genius. That's why it says he'd build the temple (which he did) and be chastened if he screwed up (which also happened).

>This isn't an argument. You assume I havent studied. Very disingenuous of you

The argument is in the study I provided links for, but if you got Messiah and Solomon mixed up, there isn't a chance in a million years of heaven you're getting the genealogy right.

>>22970476
>That's Solomon you genius. That's why it says he'd build the temple (which he did) and be chastened if he screwed up (which also happened).
You really are a disingenuous scum bag. Nice red herring. Because this passage is a reference to where God promises David an everlasting dynasty.

Which my original argument stands. Jesus isn't a part of it.

You are a clown

>>22970465
I think it's based and we should learn from it. Women would be specially better off because she'd have to be taken care of forever by her husband.

>>22970369 (OP)
You remove the log from your own eye. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. When someone stumbles you forgive. When a person loses their way entierly you turn them over to the evils of the world so they might be saved. To live through grace, to allow christ to act through you at all times, to surrender all vice, passion, malice, and pride is no small undertaking. Even if they spends many seasons astray the prodigal son is to be welcomed should the return to the father's house.

>>22970471
>I know that's something the Catholic church says
There's no way you're this ignorant lmfao
The word "Catholic" comes from the Greek word katholikos, meaning "universal".
I don't know what to make of niggers (possibly Cain), but Christianity has always been the White mans religion. The prophets, saints, apostles, all their iconography is depicted as White (for a reason).
We can prove Mary and Christ existed, (You) can't prove Freya and Odin existed

>>22970478
Better off? BETTER OFF being with the dude that RAPED her for the rest of her days? Are you a fucking moron or something what the actual fuck?

>>22970369 (OP)
>what can we do about people

Stop pretending to be human would be nice for starters.

its not as though if you choose to be a Christian, that you become immune to sin, and if you somehow sin again you were never a true believer in Christ. it doesn't work that way. we are all sinners, all as filthy rags. and even when we open our hearts to God/Jesus/The Father.. what it does is equip us with the awareness, with the conscience and the confidence that comes with it to repent. to resist those temptations to sin or commit offenses. its a commitment to trying to move closer to God, its not a guarantee that you'll never sin again.

so we hav eso many unbelievers who want to point and say see, they did this or they did that. as if it disqualifies them from God's mercy. quite literally nothing disqualifies you from God's mercy, except your rejection of him and your refusal to repent and to seek forgiveness. and people struggle.. we don't always have the most ideal day, sometimes things go sideways.. and we drift, or our faith grows colder and we forget about all the things that brought us to God in the first place.. and in time we may find our way back to God. thats what it means to struggle and wrestle with God. and it comes down to the effort. God cares that you care at all to even try resisting evil.

he wanted the lost to be found, and for the Jews to represent the covenant in its true form, as he was doing. and they condemned him for it, the one trying to get them to repent and forgive... they couldn't forgive him for that. and now they wont forgive any of his followers.. forget "antisemitism" these people are the source of everything antichrist.

>>22970480
>We can prove Mary and Christ existed
Cool what's the evidence?

>>22970469
Christianity is the ultimate example of farming out your responsibility to deal with the people who ruin society. You don't have to punish them... some extraterrestrial force will take care of it after they die. It's a great mindset to have the masses follow if you're in the ruling class. Doesn't seem to be doing much good otherwise.

>>22970480
I'm not sure why you're trying to argue the meaning of a word in a name when the discussion is about what the church named the Catholic Church is about and how it developed. I mean there's plenty of weirdo cults out there that call themselves The Truth, it doesn't mean it's true. Institutions name themselves lots of different things to assure legitimacy. Using their name as an argument is very strange.

Scientology is not scientific, for example. But then arguing that it has the word science in its name therefore it is scientific would be a laughable supposition.

>>22970397
You worship a filthy yid.

>>22970475
I think that you have to understand that all this amelek stuff, hilariously, doesn't come from 1200 years ago, it comes from the 1700s when America, along with France and England sailed the world putting an end to the global slave trade. Some people have been lied to and gassed up out of satanic evil for a few centuries now, but the hilarious truth is that the slavers from the sandbox back in the day just never got over their global slave trades being dismantled by the United States of America. Say America out loud with a heavy eastern accent.

>>22970478
>I think it's based and we should learn from it.
You learn from it when a Muslim cuts your head off while screaming God is good.

They have just as much justification as you do because they're God said so.

Which again, anyone can conjure a "God" to excuse garbage behavior
>>22970478
>Women would be specially better off because she'd have to be taken care of forever by her husband.
Give it a shot then. Go rape a woman and then ask for her hand in marriage

>>22970369 (OP)
>What can we do about Christians who don’t follow Christ’s teachings.
If this is truly a problem to you, then the natural solution is finding a more "true" church to belong to. All the pretenders and LARPers tend to stick to the casual McChurches and avoid the more traditional orthodoxies and older denominations.

>I swear that for every good Christian that genuinely care about the well-being of others there are ten who are just evil.
I think you're just conflating the NPC tendency to be undisciplined and incompetent with malice.

>>22970369 (OP)
I agree, OP.

>>22970477
>You really are a disingenuous scum bag. Nice red herring. Because this passage is a reference to where God promises David an everlasting dynasty.

You said flesh and blood as a requirement for the Messiah, which isn't there and it's actually referencing Solomon the son of David.

It's all about legal right, and if a man adopts a son, that son is indistinguishable from one born of his wife as far as the law is concerned.

>>22970447
>"For this reason I want you to be aware that no one who is speaking by God's Spirit can say, "Jesus is cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit." -1 Corinthians 12:3
Is this the verse you had in mind? Because it doesnt say what you think its saying. What other information do you have to support your theory about St. Paul being sent to subvert the teaching of Jesus, and if so how are they subverted?

>>22970489
>Go rape a woman
Doesn't say woman tho. Read closely

>>22970474
>strawman
(You) literally said
>le bible says God hates all sinners and you should be like god so therefore you should judge and hate sin as god
The Bible speaks about corruption. In the very verse you were misinterpreting, it was speaking to love and pray for your enemies. Not to hate them, but rebuke them and their sinful ways.

>>22970493
>You said flesh and blood as a requirement for the Messiah,
It is.
>>22970493
>which isn't there
Now you're lying it's the Davidic Covenant, where God promises David an everlasting dynasty.
>>22970493
>It's all about legal right
Nope

>>22970494
There's no reason to believe Paul, which was the case from all of Asia Minor according to Paul -- everyone rejected him. And they had good reason. Just based on deuteronomical testimony laws alone, Jesus would never come back to a single person and secretly tell them information. We are to disbelieve anybody that does not have at least multiple witnesses. But Paul is the only one that heard this supposed information that contradicted that Jesus's earthly ministry. Anybody rejecting Paul is just following what scripture clearly stated.

>>22970494
Nope. This one. Ask and you shall receive.

Jesus says he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel, Paul says go to the gentiles

Jesus says not an iota of the law shall pass until heavens and earth pass away, Paul says the law is a curse and you don't need to do it.

>>22970485
That's not what Christianity teaches and your weak ignorant mind has been subverted by hippie jews
"'If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil; but if well, why do you strike Me?"

>>22970497
This is a common Christians use. You were taking the word judge and implying its utility is about the act of judgment under its definition of punishment. When in fact the topic of discussion is simply judging whether somebody is sinning or not. Which is something even the most green new-to-the-faith Christian is expected to be able to do. God hates sinners. Therefore, in order to not be misaligned with God, when you see a sinner, you must also hate them.

This is extraordinarily straightforward stuff. But that's why you're trying to insert a word with a double meaning. Very very jewish tactic.

>>22970496
What are you referring to?

>>22970489
Not interested, but this only applies to virgins in a country where the Mosaic law was being enforced, so anybody thinking they can get away with grabbing pussy like this today is completely out of his mind.

>>22970369 (OP)
Atheist here, I have had debates with some Christians online and found myself knowing more about their own religion than they did.
I think the core of the problem is that these people are simply scared of life & the unknown, and found it more comforting being a part of mainstream Christianity, even though they do not learn much about it.

>>22970486
You don't seem to understand what words seem to mean or where they originate from and slap on some retarded interpretation as if it bears any truth

>>22970504
The Septuagint says child virgin gets raped you sell her. Supported by the Mishna of course.

>>22970498
>>22970493
Here's more passages confirming it

Jeremiah 23:5: “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely.” The “Branch” is a messianic title tied to David’s line.

Psalm 89:3-4: “I have made a covenant with my chosen one, I have sworn to David my servant, ‘I will establish your line forever and make your throne firm through all generations.’”

Isaiah 11:1: “A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.” Jesse was David’s father, linking the Messiah to David’s lineage.

>>22970507
No I'm fully aware of what the word means. But I find it very strange you can't process the fact that people can name their Church anything they want and it doesn't mean it's true. Is that really a complex concept?

>>22970505
>so anybody thinking they can get away with grabbing pussy like this today is completely out of his mind.
No thanks to your God.

>>22970508
>The Septuagint says child virgin gets raped you sell her
Wow so much better.

>>22970370
Prosperity gospel is the rotten fruit of Calvinism.

>>22970506
No they're mostly brainwashed by their churches and pastors. They pervert the old testament to fit Jesus in where he clearly doesn't. And if you try to engage with them they either shut down or lash out in anger or go through mental gymnastics to "explain" whatever you point out.

>>22970514
They do get very angry very quickly

>>22970510
>I know that's something the Catholic church says
>Rooting the Church to one of the tongues which the Lord spoke bears no meaning or significance and everyone can just name anything whatever they wish le xd its all random
You have no argument
Pointless discussion

>>22970369 (OP)
>What can we do about Christians who don’t follow Christ’s teachings


what do you care you are a kike who spams this thread regularly if not whats your name im jacob anthony mcqueen. oh youd prefer to remain anonymous rather than face persecution for what you believe? oh i understand go back to asking why people dont follow jesus teaching twice a week anonymous christian soldier

>>22970514
Most of them don't even go to church.

>>22970496
na·‘ă·rāh is a young woman

>>22970501
>Ignores Jesus' command in Matthew 28
Read Galatians and you'll understand why the laws was said to be a curse.

>>22970503
You were equating we should judge as God "be perfect like God"
holy fucking down syndrome
carry on taking verses out of context and trying to bend them to whatever retarded paganigger interpretation of your choosing

>>22970516
I'm pretty sure I could just name a church using any language I wanted too. You can't possibly believe this is a substantive argument.

>>22970369 (OP)
>for every good Christian that genuinely care about the well-being of others
It’s not being “good” to care about the well-being of others - it’s just the norm for mentally healthy people. But why do you say “genuinely”?

>there are ten who are just evil.
They are ‘just’ psychopaths.

>>22970369 (OP)
Now that the smoke has cleared. Was marymagda his twinsoul????
https://youtu.be/Sn6qkqvTF_o

>>22970501
jesus also said the sabbath is for the son of adam not the son of adam for the sabbath and paul ALSO said all things are permissable and not all are beneficial and to put on the FULL armor of the lord of which righteousness is a crucial part of namely the breastplate

>>22970521
You're arguing 1,700 years after the fact whether "Catholic" bears any meaning.
The fact you even know what platonic form "Catholic" adheres to at all is self evident of my point.
Boring as fuck desu

>>22970520
I'll try again: the word judgment is also used to imply a punishment from god. No we do not have authority to do that.

Okay so now let's just use the definition of judgment when it comes to judging if somebody is sending. Judgment in the context where Paula said the spiritual man judges ALL THINGS (1 Corinthians 2:15). That judgement. So, without straying to the other definition of judgment where it's implied punishment, we can and are mandated to judge like God judges when we can. We can judge if someone is sinning. This is a very basic ability as a Christian.

If you start talking about how we don't have authority to judge (punish) like God does, again. Then you're just illustrating your spiritual jewishness.

>>22970515
We actually have christians here too and believe it or not they're 20 times more sensitive than christians from other parts of the world. They've been told their whole lives they are worthless and sinners and disgusting, and only lord Jesus could save them and he did such a sacrifice for them oh my god!!! Creates such a ptsd slave mindset and they remain subservient to that ideology.

I dated this christian girl few years ago and gently asked her why she thinks Jesus is god, pushed back using a few bible verses and she said it was her belief and tears etc. so I backed off. Whenever we would meet she would always have to do this dumb prayer to yessu for dying for her. So once I asked her, since Jesus died for your sins, was it a good thing or bad thing that he was brutalized and humiliated? She looked at me angrily and said of course bad. So I said then how else would you get saved? Just so much rage broke her phone didnt suck my dick for the whole week.

>>22970498
>Now you're lying it's the Davidic Covenant, where God promises David an everlasting dynasty.

“¶ And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.” (2 Samuel 7:12-17)

2 Samuel 7:12-15 is talking about David's son Solomon. The Lord Jesus Christ never comitted any iniquity and did not build the temple.

2 Samuel 7:16 is the promise of the everlasting kingdom, and that's where legal right comes in.

>>22970514
>mental gymnastics
100%.

>>22970528
You're not proving me wrong.

Also see
>>22970509
You can't refute me

>>22970501
Galatians 3:13 refers to Jesus himself becoming a curse by being crucified (which is seen as shameful and thus whoever suffers that fate is thought to be cursed). Meaning he took the sins of the world upon himself to save humanity from judgment by the law.
This is consistent with Mark 10:45 which is something directly attributed to Jesus and not something Paul made up. "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." - Mark 10:45

>>22970525
That's so weird. Now strawmanning me suggesting that I am suggesting the word Catholic doesn't bear meaning.

Yet here I am again, just telling you that anybody can name their church anything. And like I said, the Catholic church was started in the forth century, and then developed into its current form through its spread to Western Europe and further development by Thomas Aquinas. And this Church has a very little to do with the Nicene council Church. Kind of like how the Blizzard that made StarCraft doesn't have much to anything to do with the Blizzard that made Diablo 4. Maybe that will help.

>>22970527
Well, I personally have more an issue with Protestants who rely on the Bible as their basis of faith. I'm not sure if that reflects how the Christians are in your country or not. But if it is, I know what you're talking about.

>>22970509
All true, but you are an animal for continually ignoring the fact of legal right which grants Jesus the throne through Joseph his foster father who descends directly from the royal family.

>>22970528
>The Lord Jesus Christ never comitted any iniquity and did not build the temple.
You're entire rebuttal falls on a red herring

You really have nothing to refute me with

>>22970534
>ignoring the fact of legal right
The prophecy said nothing about legal right.

So this none argument is irrelevant.

A prophecy wouldn't be prophetic if it was exact.

Again, you have nothing

>>22970401
the problem with atheist, heathens, and fake Christians is that they totally lack the ability to understand context and the fact that the Old Testament is secondary to the New Testament.

the New Testament especially the four gospels is either written by Jesus' inner circle the apostles or disciples of the Apostles this is what you call first and second hand accounts

the Old Testament on the other hand was only put to paper literally thousands of years after the events that take place in it, so it's more like 900th hand accounts

Jesus never contradicts himself not once. he does contradict the Old Testament on several occasions and it is pointed out within the gospels themselves

example Matthew 19:3-9
>3 Some Pharisees came to him. In order to test him, they said, “Does the Law allow a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”4 Jesus answered, “Haven’t you read that at the beginning the creator made them male and female?[a] 5 And God said, ‘Because of this a man should leave his father and mother and be joined together with his wife, and the two will be one flesh.’[b] 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore, humans must not pull apart what God has put together.” 7 The Pharisees said to him, “Then why did Moses command us to give a divorce certificate and divorce her?”[c] 8 Jesus replied, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because your hearts are unyielding. But it wasn’t that way from the beginning. 9 I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

this not a pothole Jesus is pointing out that Moses didn't do every single thing in his life under a divine mandate from God in fact he made his own laws that contradict the will of God and that Christ who is part of the tripartite Godhead is correcting the false laws that Moses imposed.

>>22970532
>>22970525
Also, I'd like to add that before the Nicene council, that church, the original one, has absolutely nothing to do with the Catholic church that was created in the 4th century. Pic related is the OG church.

The actual Catholic Church of today was created mostly in Europe after its spread.

>>22970537
con.

Also Moses and his contemporaries within the Old Testament are only prophets. during the classical era prophet meant "one who interprets the will of God" one need only read one of the many visions and Prophecies within the Bible to see that it isn't a direct message like the one you are currently reading. prophets see symbols, they see events, they see things they can barely understand and they put these things into words. the problem with prophets is it their Prophecies are distilled through their own personal interpretation. this issue does not apply to Jesus Christ being God he preached int the simplest terms imaginable when speaking to St Peter who at the time was the fisherman rather than using abstract language that would most likely go over his head Christ simply said “Follow Me. I will make you fish for men!” when speaking to fisherman he uses fishing metaphors, when speaking to farmers farming metaphors, when speaking to shepherds shepherding metaphors, ect

>>22970535
If you don't understand legal right under the Mosaic Law, that's on you pal. Pick up a bible and read.

>>22970540
Aging with this non argument.

Christians really are just jews who find ways to get around what their God says.

It's incredible really

>>22970536
The prophecy doesn't, but the Mosaic Law does. What happens to an adopted child? Tell me, are they without legal right under the law?

>>22970538
the Catholic Church did synthesised paganism and Christianity taking the best aspects of both and working them together Saints days typically local pagan holidays

>>22970537
>Jesus never contradicts himself not once
I would agree there are less instances of direct contradiction within Jesus's words within the New Testament. But he does say things like "not one jot or tittle of Torah law will pass away until everything is fulfilled, until heaven and Earth pass away. He who teaches not even the least of the law will be called least in the Kingdom of heaven". And then does away with eye for an eye and changes divorce law, etc. personally, I believe this is because of the multiple different writers contributing with their different agendas. Which we know happened.

The story of the adulterous woman and the famous verse about he who is without sin cast the first stone -- not in the original bible. Even Augustine attests to this. It was added later. There were lots of different authors and different agendas at work which led to varying degrees of contradictions within the portrayal of Jesus.

I would go so far as to say that it's not Jesus making the contradiction, just these different writers and their various agendas for whatever movement they were contributing to to at any given time during the course of these scriptures' development. We don't know exactly what Jesus said.

My issue is relying on the Bible for the foundation of one's faith.T

>>22970542
>The prophecy doesn't
Then your cope is irrelevant.
>What happens to an adopted child? Tell me, are they without legal right under the law?
Whats funny is you use common day law to back your argument when it suits you. But when it doesn't you decry how that doesn't fit biblical terms. Like rape for instance

You are a slimmy faggot. That's for sure.

>>22970389
Yeah that's what happens when people let their ideology override religion, they try changing religion to match. You can see it happening right now if you care to look. The book is full of corruptions from ages past as people have perverted the word of God to their own ends.

>>22970533
I don't know if we have protestants here but we have roman catholics and some other mystery sect. But I hate the American protestants specifically for their underhanded behavior and contempt for the locals here, such as hiring a football field, calling children over and then telling them they will get money or sweets if they confess Jesus is god.

>>22970543
100% this.
Which is why I believe the traditional Catholic Church is in fact a European religion, and the direct continuation of white spiritual heritage. The Divine feminism was incorporated into mary, which represented the Celtic Brigid or Freya, for instance. Tons and tons of these aspects. Even today, you can purchase St. Brigid's crosses from the Catholic church pagans used to make in honor of the goddess Brigid. There are many profound connections in this same manner all over the place wherever you look.

>>22970437
>In the face of science and AI, western civilization
AI is a hoax.

>>22970372
It was the letters of Paul and not the gospels that mentioned faith alone.

You must live like Christ, in both mind and actions, to approach God.

>>22970545
It's that retard with the Turkish flag. He's trying his best to actually behave himself believe it or not but one of the lowest if the lows that frequents this website

>>22970422
If you think of it like that you aren't repenting. Repentance is the process of changing your thoughts and actions and turning away from sin.

>>22970545
>Whats funny is you use common day law to back your argument when it suits you. But when it doesn't you decry how that doesn't fit biblical terms. Like rape for instance.

When did I ever say "common day law" or even suggested it? I repeatedly said Mosaic Law, the Law of Moses. So again, how are adooted children dealt with under the Mosaic Law as far as legal right is concerned?

>>22970546
Well if you're a Catholic, you are the kind of Catholic that I hope propagates more and more. That's the perfect way to look at it, I think. The best way to go about the Catholic faith is trad Catholic teachings, and not attempting to interpret things your own way by reading the Bible and going with whatever suits your fancy. That is how we end up with total jewish subversion.

>>22970369 (OP)
Sadly, fake Christian’s aren’t even close to the worst people on earth

>>22970500
Last panel is me unironically

Also I'd like to add, to the Christians in this thread, you guys are being fairly reasonable and offering some great discussions so thank you for that.

>>22970369 (OP)
Stay away from false Christians teaching (((modern))) Christianity.

>>22970547
Yeah American protestants, especially the Evangelical kind that would go over there...absolute cancer.

>>22970369 (OP)
Christianity is built for the worst people. Its about redemption. Christians believe converting sinners makes for strong followers.

>>22970550
Kek amazing, the Turk roach lmao

>>22970552
This faggot changes the fucking goal post, holy shit. These /pol/ Christians deconvert people more than anything I can imagine
>>22970552
>So again, how are adooted children dealt with under the Mosaic Law as far as legal right is concerned?
Kek, another red herring too.

>>22970468
Why the hell do you think the machine is trustworthy

>>22970551
Agree 100%. Just reporting on what I've seen. Neighbors ex wife was the most holier than thou bitch I ever met, went to church regularly and gave me shit for my lack of faith. Cheated on him for years and with multiple guys at a time. Gave him chlamydia but slipped medication into his food to treat him without him noticing. He finally caught and divorced the bitch thankfully. Found out about all of that shit from one of her friends.

>>22970445
>To be fair, that's just a popular Western easy beliefism version of protestantism. Which, yes, is absolutely nonsensical. However it's based on just taking one side of yet another contradiction the Bible offers. For instance:
>>“He that says, I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1John 2:4)
>Meanwhile, Paul is busy saying all you need is faith. It doesn't matter that in Matthew, Jesus is damning people who passed his litmus test of faith (believes he is who he says he is and can do what he says he can do). And he straight up says he's damning them because they worked iniquity. Their faith didn't save them.
>It's no surprise the easy believism side of this contradiction is more popular these days.
This is the part I can't get around when I try to believe and be a Christian. The New Testament makes contradictory statements about whether you just need faith or if doing good deeds is required too (perhaps as proof of faith).
Most of today's Christians, at least in America, of course accept the "faith alone" interpretation, for sure because this is the easier path. It kind of bugs me.

>>22970559
I was a fundamentalist for years, probably due to a need to fill a hyper focus I needed in order to get off booze leveraging my ADD. It was a benefit because now I can call out all the nonsense disingenuous Christians try to bring to the table.

>>22970558
There is also this class of white racists with a victim mentality that come to this region too. No one claimed this part of the world is the wealthiest or has the best facilities. Such as this white bitch that recently went to Afghanistan and was crying about how the afghans hate Americans and she's so scared of her safety oh no!

https://youtu.be/ijT3tt79S2E

And I can tell you that afghans are just lovely lovely people who would never touch an American citizen, especially female. But for her dumbass views I would definitely punch her in the face

>>22970563
Yes this issue is what first broke me out of my fundamentalist Christian attachment. There is a point where you learn so much about the Bible and analyze it so deeply that you cannot help but be confronted with the problems. You then have to make a choice whether you're going to purposefully let go of the logic that you know is in front of your face and go with something to bridge the gap that is flimsy, but socially acceptable, or continue searching for God. And I find it takes a lot to make that choice to choose God over compromising in what you know is error.

>>22970565
Well you seem pretty damn based anon. Hopefully one day you'll get to meet one of our good ones. Because we have a lot of bad ones.

>>22970562
that's horrible

>>22970563
Also, I'm not suggesting that Christianity itself is inherently incorrect in principle. Just that the Bible doesn't relay it because it cannot. It's a contradictory mess. But if you arrive at Christianity through more spiritual means, I'm not one to say that it's an incorrect route.

>>22970568
I have met the good ones. Americans come here all the time and we have a blast. Met this white American and french lads on holiday here, took them on top of a mountain by trekking and we camped there and smoked a few joints. The French frog couldn't handle it and kept throwing up and passed out. The American took out his dick and put it on his lips and I took a photo kek. Good times

A sinless lamb was sacrificed for humanity's sins. It had a small penis and was pale in skin tone. It was Jewish. The Lamb that died was Jesus. A sinless lamb was sacrificed on the altar of the world so that every sin could be forgiven, including that of the worst sinner. All of our sins are forgiven. Including every woman who ever lusted after a big cock or a man who shoved his big cock in a Christian female's warm pussy

>>22970571
Well the mountain sounds nice. I'm in for that part.

>>22970573
This is near my home village. Come here with friends you will not regret it

https://youtu.be/S01P9W7Ew_Y

>>22970569
Amen. Best part.... bitch got the house.

>>22970572
I stuck around till the end and was rewarded.

>>22970574
Yeah you're definitely a bro, anon. Maybe one day.

>>22970548
It is European beyond the shadow of a doubt. you need to remember that most "Pagans" you see on he claim its jew worship act as if the west became Christian in 1950 when it has been Christian for nearly 2000 years every great European thinker scientist artist composer etc was a Christian. and then we have things like the inquisition which was founded solely to kill Jews and Muslims. the Crusades and dozens of knightly orders founded to simply kill Muslims. Vlad the Impaler's father was a member of the Catholic order of the Dragon which was founded for the sole reason of killing Turks. and never forget when Pagans bitch about the European Crusades they always leave at the fact that was only against Slavs. the goths converted willingly, as did the Irish, as did the Scandos, the Germans, the French the Italians, etc

>>22970563
>This is the part I can't get around when I try to believe and be a Christian. The New Testament makes contradictory statements about whether you just need faith or if doing good deeds is required too (perhaps as proof of faith).
> Most of today's Christians, at least in America, of course accept the "faith alone" interpretation, for sure because this is the easier path. It kind of bugs me.

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)

“¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

When it comes to salvation, it's simple as that. Then after saved, you should serve God to please Him and to have a better life here (sin destroys everything) and better recompense in heaven, but this isn't done to "keep yourself saved", as that was settled at the cross and your works had nothing to do with it.

“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30)

>>22970578
Stuff like this is why there is some nuance to the Catholic/Protestant dilemma. The current Catholic Church is just as pozzed. So I would rely on traditional Catholic teachings and what popes, and Catholic leaders have written before this age.

>>22970572
I am offended that this faggot's lack of muscle definition. I want to rape him not as an act of homosexuality but rather as a display of physical dominance. No diddy.

>>22970544
Also cope. the Torah Jesus is speaking of is the actual that has been edited and rewritten over the past 2 millennia

>>22970579
Well this shit needs to start taking off. People need to understand this because it's extremely important.

>>22970579
Pretending desert cult books with zero technology or science in them are responsible for the technology and success of Europeans is peak jewry

>>22970389
>The Bible contradicts itself over and over again on almost every issue
That's because bible and religion in general are nothing but "idiot tests" and political instruments, how is the way bible and all these "sacred books" talk any different that of modern politicians and commies ? it isn't ! they're the same. anyone who believes in this shit is a braindead piece of meat, a literal zombie, a walking dead, born to be nothing but a slave to be fooled and herded around and used like an animal and then discarded .
All this religion shit has absolutely nothing to do with the idea of a possible creator God either, who ever said God has had or should talk to people ? who says God, an entity capable of building universe cannot create a damn way to communicate directly with his creatures if he ever needed to, instead of sending some chosenite charlatan crooks (prophets) ?!
The entire paradigm of religion stinks ! it screams man-made, the only reason people are attached to this poison is fear and insecurity and brainwashing from childhood, all of them statecrafts of course .

>>22970581
All abrahamism is jewish and fake

>>22970583
Well it's find a specific issue and see what can be made of that.

Do you agree that eye for an eye is an authentic punishment to be divvied out in Torah? In the new testament, it is written that Jesus affirmed this was the case but then did away with it.

Do you disagree with any of this?

>>22970586
I think it's a healthy attitude to take that no man has written a book with bylaws and rules that came from God. But also that such an understanding does not equate to disbelief in God, or even disbelief that God wants something of you or for you.

>>22970578
Judaism is rooted in the talmud, and the talmud contradicts the bible in the same way catholicism does. 2 sides of the same coin.

>>22970370
You can tell he's jewish because his sclera are not visible.

>>22970563
Good works are absolutely required too. If anything the position that faith alone saves you seems to be a protestant take. St. Paul himself claims the same thing.
>For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do - Ephesians 2:8-10
>...The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love - Galatians 5:6
>What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? - Romans 6:1-2
St. Paul's take is that yes your faith in Jesus saves you, but your faith is not valid if you dont actually show it through your acts. Which is a natural result of truly believing in Jesus.

>>22970369 (OP)
>hey kids, us christians sure a cool!!!!
>you should really come hang with us at church!!
no one wants to be around these parasites
so they start spamming hell fire threads
>you will dire and BURN!!! FOREVER!!! if you dont hang with us cool folks!!!!

OP is a servant of the jews

>>22970581
a church is not a building, it is not a collection of clergyman, Church is those who adhere to the teachings of the righteous. those who hold sway in the Vatican are not Catholic, the same way the Pharisees who held control of the temple during the time of Christ did not really worship God. so long as there is a single person who believes in the teachings of St Peter and of the righteous Saints and Bishops who followed for him 1800's years then Catholic Church survives. there have been times in the past where the Church pozzed itself 80 or 100 years like during the Great Western schism but it eventually recovered and will do so again. but a Pope or Prophet must rise from outside of Rome in order to cleanse it

>>22970587
>abrahamism is jewish and fake
Yes and no. The jews who wrote the Bible relied heavily on Greek ethics and ideas within stoicism like the logos, in order to attract whites. Without understanding this, you are in danger of condemning white ethics themselves, just because jews stole them in order to manipulate whites.

>>22970369 (OP)
>the people who celebrate his death
>whom wear the symbol of his torture device on their chest
>those who claim they are forgiven of their evil because he was tortured to death
Why even talk about Jesus at all, if that were the case -- that he died for your sins? Are you not forgiven? Is repentance even part of it?
Just seems like the equivalent of impish jews 'putting their sins in a chicken' and torturing the chicken to death to forgive themselves. Same with Jesus, scapegoating the son of God so evil people can claim they are good people. How is that holy?

I don't want to hear an answer, its a rhetorical indictment.

>>22970589
Exactly, it was all a play on our emotions and insecurities, people cannot come to peace that a free world is also a world free of divine intervention, they aren't grown up enough emotionally and mentally to accept that they have to stand up for themselves and they are indeed equipped for it .

God made man in his image.
Man sinned against God.
God is a God of justice and every sin must be repaid.
The Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, took upon the task given by the God the Father to bear the sins of mankind.
He executed his Father's will so that the Sons of Adam may have a chance to for salvation, that they may also become adopted sons of God.
The wages of sin is Death, and it is given on to all men to die once.
But the death of the flesh is only one aspect of man.
Man's soul is also condemned to death through hellfire for being a sinner.
The Lord Jesus saved the souls of Men by conquering hell and death for us.
Any who rejects his sacrifice, any who rejects him as being the Son of God, the Word of God manifest in the flesh, is subject to the hellfire themselves.

>>22970595
I'd say that's mostly accurate, though of course it does go against a biblical principle where it lists out qualifications for Deacons and a hierarchy. The structure of it is less important, imo, then what it carries forward for white spirituality. But the modern structure, for sure, is opposite to that prerogative.

>>22970590
The Bible is entirely jewish

>>22970600
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>22970369 (OP)
Christ gives to you what you gave unto others.

BTW He is not the only God. He is the chief aspect of fourteen righteous and sometimes holy gods.

>>22970594
>doesn't understand why the biggest religion gets the most criticism
Not very bright

>>22970593
Mechanized Jesus of Nazareth dropping people in a lake of fire.
Yhea I'd go to that concert rapture whatever.

>>22970369 (OP)
51 false psalm 69 defiler rapist.

>>22970553
I'm not Catholic, I'm quite confident the Catholic church has been thouroughly corrupted by that exact process, through the integration of pagan traditions into doctrine and various political machinations, and is no longer in accordance with the church as was established by Christ.
That is to say, you might call me new age but I'm doing my best to be even more trad than the trads.

>>22970600
Christbot 9000 reporting.

If Jesus was to die for everyone's sins, even though the bible says no one can bear the sins of others, then why not come when Adam did the first sin at the very beginning and so everyone can go straight to heaven? Or why not at the very end so everyone gets to go to heaven? And what happens to those before the human sacrifice? And why did he have to come as a Jew? Why not some 6'5 giga chad hung like a horse? If it's God then it doesn't make sense if I mog him by being taller and packing more heat.

>>22970588
the Torah is meant to be the divine laws of God. but like the example I gave initially about divorce, Moses and other so-called prophets hijacked the will of god. the word Torah means "direction or instruction" so when Christ says "not one jot or tittle of Torah law will pass away until everything is fulfilled" He is saying "My instructions, my directions will be fulfilled" and the Torah Christ isn't just the the old jew book its the Bible itself. the jews just cope and we wuz so everyone just gives ground to them and psyops themselves into psyop. Pauls letters are a Torah he makes clear homosexuality is forbidden, explains how marriage should work and so on

>>22970608
Fair enough. Well I hope your journey leads you to God.

OP is a kike named Aaron Feuer, a scion of one of the most laughably corrupt "families" in South Florida.

>>22970369 (OP)
Christianity is dysgenic. It's a shame the Romans couldn't stamp out Abrahamic garbage from the continent for good. Maybe another timeline.

>>22970369 (OP)
Christianity is when you nice and cool with gays and trannies and stuff.

That's why Christ died, so that gays would be more accepted in schools and workplaces.

>>22970501
>Jesus says he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel
"to" does not mean "for"
It completely changes the meaning of that verse but you act like it's the same thing.
If you travel to the pizzeria it's fundamentally different than traveling for the pizzeria. One is a customer the other is a wagecuck.
Jesus was sent too the Lost Sheep, but he was sent for all of us. Two separate concepts.

You're the same 65 IQ inbred paki that got obliterated last night and stopped posting after I proved you're so dumb and ignorant that you didn't know God appeared as a man multiple times in the Old Testament.
Stop attacking Christianity, you are far far too dumb to try.

Tonight is the Earth's worst Walpurgisnacht. Stay inside, demon charlatan faggot cowards...

>>22970601
Hierarchies Cardinals did not exist for the first few centuries of Christianity. we do need a Hierarchy but a hierarchy can be replaced with a new one


>Matthew 7:15-20: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

this is a divine mandate from Christ himself us to use our reason to see which hierarchy to follow if the pope is a bad tree who produces bad fruit then he should not be followed. if a man say we'll go with spain rises up gathers followers galvanises them declare some self Pope and sets up arrival hierarchy like during the Western schism and produces good fruit then he should be followed

>>22970369 (OP)
>Is this just an American problem
Yes, any of the few European Christians I know who are left are mostly okay. Americans are just retarded and the scum of the earth

>>22970615
Obliterated? Lmao alright time to put some christian in his place. Here Jesus says explicitly don't go to gentiles. Cope now?

>>22970369 (OP)
>Are there any other countries where Christian population is more normal?
First, check and make sure you are a real Christian.

>>22970615
>God appeared as a man multiple times in the Old Testament.
Nope never happened. Bible says explicitly god is not a man.

OK I don't need to read this thread.

False-identity, well poisoning, banana niggers all over this thread wasting time losing to our family.

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>>22970618
I think that's because many European states are more strongly anti religion, so the Christians aren't in it for any sort of social status.

>>22970615
>"to" does not mean "for"
>It completely changes the meaning of that verse but you act like it's the same thing.
>If you travel to the pizzeria it's fundamentally different than traveling for the pizzeria. One is a customer the other is a wagecuck.
An impressive level of hairsplitting. They'll really do anything to save Christianity from the reality of Christ.

>>22970369 (OP)
Sorry Aaron!

https://youtu.be/alkd0cG-x2Q?si=gULcpQ2OQT_1D7xL

Anti-God brother's monkey farm!

>>22970619
I get that you're a Jewish man so I'll explained it Jesus sent out his disciples to preach into cast out Demons from possessed to people while he's in the desert 40 days so seeing as he will only be gone for a month he tells them to not go to far so "stay in Judea for now and meet be back here in a month" like what a retard cope post


also 2 chapters before that he holds up a roman and tells his followers that this random roman is my based then all jews

5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

>>22970624
This isn't hairsplitting, this is basic literary discussion.
But I suppose you didn't do that in school. You live in California perhaps?

>>22970626
>I get that you're a Jewish man
Never even met a Jew in my life, but you literally worship one.

BLA BLA BLA random dumb story. Where does he say go and proselytize gentiles? This is the mental gymnastics christians work with. Perverting scripture to fit their narrative.

>>22970615
>Jesus says he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel
>"to" does not mean "for"
>It completely changes the meaning of that verse but you act like it's the same thing.
so it means only jews could see him
like that oven baby hamas cooked
and yet they claimed romans saw him, pilate, longinus, the centurion, and a greek woman, and a canaanite woman. and yet.. no one saw him. and jews didnt think to mention him again for another.. 50 years.
it makes perfect sense, if you know anything about jews

>>22970627
when youve got a game of telephone and ESL (GSL) writers writing texts in a second language they could barely even speak, it makes sense its retarded. the question is why dont you people notice? youve had jewish apologist translation after jewish apologist translation to try to make it more presentable, and it works for you, a memeflag.
but Noticers are gonna Notice these things and poke holes in every single aspect of christianity and judaism. its kind of what we do. we dont like lies. we dont like jews, who lie even when they think theyre not. and what we hate most of all is when jewish lies are believed by our kin, and they too begin lying and misleading people around them, like little jews in training. if that happened to me, i would want someone to help and intervene and to fix me, to tell me the truth. and everyone i know thinks and feels this way. even the christians. so there is something very evil about misleading people in the way jews do, and the way christians follow suit.

>>22970621
>>22970619
>Obliterated?
Yep. You ran away from the posts and had to ignore 5 replies from other anons because we all obliterated you, yet you stayed in the thread for another hour like a coping fool.
>Here Jesus says explicitly don't go to gentiles. Cope now?
No, He could not have explicitly said that because there is no word that means "gentile" in Greek or Latin or Aramaic. Not even close. A "gentile" is a concept invented hundreds of years after Jesus.
If Jesus hypothetically were saying don't go to "gentiles" why would he have to stop his disciples from doing that?

Answer: because the disciples knew the gospel was for everyone, it just wasn't the time to share it.
>Nope never happened. Bible says explicitly god is not a man.
HAHAH!!
The 65 IQ paki inbred retard proves once again its parents are cousins:
God in fact appeared as a man. It verbatim says this in the Bible:

Genesis 18
>"1The LORD appeared again to Abraham near the oak grove belonging to Mamre. One day Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent during the hottest part of the day. 2He looked up and noticed three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran to meet them and welcomed them, bowing low to the ground"


You're such an obliterated fool. It's hilarious how you constantly make a fool of yourself each time you try to attack Christianity.

>>22970624
>One is a customer the other is a wagecuck.
>An impressive level of hairsplitting
hahaha!!
A customer vs wagecuck isn't hairsplitting you illiterate spic
>They'll really do anything to save Christianity from the reality of Christ.
It's adorable how stupid, ignorant, and desperate you are. You just made a total fool of yourself.

>>22970629
>so it means only jews could see him
No, that makes no sense because Jesus wasn't jewish
>and jews didnt think to mention him again for another 50 years
Jews didn't exist yet.
>it makes perfect sense, if you know anything about jews
You clearly don't.

>>22970605
>Ignoring problems caused by the jews
Atheist aren't sending their best

>>22971203
That Paki just throws shit and sees if it will stick. He's been defeated over and over again and just keeps using the same garbage.

>>22971217
Who followed a space Marine but Daisy the rabbit?

Also... He probably eats it's poop in a vegetated sate...

But in the end ultimately your worshiping a guy who worshiped a brick partly made out of cow poop ?
Yhea, Jesus.

You vampiric asshole!

33rd degree Masonic right.

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Crickets

migu

Mehh, prove it wrong the 33rd Masonic right is still the what is reel question.

You trolling .
Look it up if you can..

you have the power to split atoms and lead nations

>>22970369 (OP)
Keep in mind there has never been a good person in history. We all fall short of God and Christ, which is why we're here in the first place. Christ's sacrifice was in spite of this fact.

This isn't some protestant "everyone's saved do what thou wilt" satanism dressed as Christianity this is a reminder to take it easy on people and let/help them learn at their pace

Christian communities often emphasize communal care and resilience, but challenges remain.