Thread 21438411

SeeKay doesn't drink grape juice?

I dabble

I've had a few bottles of that stuff. Honestly I thought I had outgrown cheap barbera but that stuff is not bad at all. Not bad at all.

Speaking of cheap, yesterday I opened a bottle of Bric Cenciurio's Langhe Nebbiolo. I'll finish it tonight, thanks for watching, please like and subscribe.

>>21438427
Looks tasty and gold vintage
>>21438429
> Cheap Barbera
It's a good weekday bottle for sure
Nebbiolo is too pricey for a Monday night

>>21438439
It's not barbaresco or barolo it's literally just "nebbiolo", also it was sunday night when I opened it.

Even with my Total Wine discount I can’t bring myself to enjoy wine. Sad.

>>21438448
Can't find any pure
>nebbiolos
In my area don't cost practically the same as cheap barbrescos

>>21438411 (OP)
Enjoy a decent Riesling now and then, but I'm just not a big enough wine drinker to try the different varieties. Also, getting into conversations about tannins makes me want to kill someone.

>>21438450
Should try some different varietals but I'm sure you already have

You can hide it behind faux sophistry but you're still an alcoholic at the end of the day.

>>21438452
In this area 'rescos start around $30 if I'm really lucky, average more like $40-45 unless I'm aggressively bargain hunting. Whereas you can find 'iolo for as little as $20.

>>21438469
If I said I was an alcoholic you'd be just as mad. Perhaps even more mad because I'd have robbed you of the "but you're just an alcoholic!" line

>>21438469
Oh I know.
Who said I'm pretending

>>21438461
Try Chenin Blanc

>>21438411 (OP)
I POUR WINE INTO MY STINKY COIN SLOT ASSHOLE TO ABSORB THE ALCOHOL AND THEN I TUBGIRL IT OUT OF MY ICKY BRAP HOLE IN A PERFECT ARC INTO MY MOUTH FOR THE EXQUISITE EGGY TASTE AND EARTHY NOTES. GRAPEY.

NIGGERS THEN TONGUE MY ANUS

>>21438461
what's wrong with tannins?

>>21438754
She probably thinks it means mtfs

wine is for the wintertime
>one box wine i decided to try was mispriced at $7.98 (tag price was $17.98)
>and no liquor tax
>cannot believe my luck
>not good at all but quickly becomes delicious to me as i found a way to get 4L of wine for $8
>bought them out of stock until i finally had to stop drinking for my own health and sanity
i drew so much ugly fucked up shit that winter

>>21438797
That sounds nasty as shit

Dunno what it is, but red wine invariably tastes like dirt and white wine tastes like bad grape juice. It's not an aversion to alcohol since I have an appreciation for whiskeys and dark non-IPA beers, it's not an aversion to bitterness since I love dark chocolate, cranberries, and grapefruit, and it's not a shitty selection of wines since a bunch of my friends are well-versed in the wineosphere.
Is it just an acquired taste or are my taste buds defective?

>>21438411 (OP)
I'm more of a malt liquor man.

>>21438874
I think you just have a shit palate. A lot of whisky and beer drinkers have palates that have become too accustomed to sweetness. Not liking IPAs is also a red flag for this.

Maybe start with sweet wines (I find that beer and whisky drinkers like sweet fortifieds) and work down to dry wines.

>>21438878
Based Steeler
>>21438874
Unironically filtered

>>21438874
>>21438879
Most wine just tastes gross to me. I will happily drink unsweetened tea and coffee and prefer it that way. The wines I like tend to be creamy/buttery. Acidic wine just repulses me and there are only a select wines I've that don't taste weird.

>drink nothing but cheap wine
>"wtf all wine tastes bad"
a tale as old as time itself

>>21438469
As opposed to authentic sophistry? You sound like an imbecile

>>21439607
He probably learned the word from one of those incel/manosphere podcasters, jordan peterson or whatever. If you're always surrounded by mouthbreathers you could easily think throwing in random pseud words from 7th grade english will bamboozle everyone into thinking you're a genius.
>retard in a skinny suit with leather patches on the elbows: blah blah blah, postmodernism! blah blah blah degenerate, blah blah
>incel who spends most of his free time obsessing over when he's allowed to touch his penis: whoa, he's smart!!

Maybe a stupid question, but anything decent at Trader Joe’s?

Tried a Napa Valley cab from them and it was meh and gave me a pretty unpleasant hangover.

>>21439626
If you're coming from bum wine it's all pretty solid. Mediocre grapes manhandled into being palatable by advanced modern winemaking technology and heavy processing. If you're trying to "develop a palate" or learn about nice wines it's not really worth your time but if you don't know any better or just want something to cook with it's fine.

>>21438874
>>21438879
I think he should go the opposite way, dry fortifieds. Both bio and oxidative.
Then maybe uber oaked whites.

>>21439737
Oxidative dry fortifieds are some of the least accessible wines lmao. Bio?

>>21439626
>unpleasant hangover
You're not supposed to drink the whole bottle in one night

>>21438427
I just never fucking like Italian wine. No matter how much I spend on it its never good.

>>21440475
What do you like then? French?

>>21440475
italian wine encompasses so many styles though I have to assume you've never ventured outside of maybe chiantis and montepulcianos and a few god awful pinot grigios and proseccos, if that's all I had ever tasted I would have very little interest either

>>21440475
filtered

having some of this tonight with gruyere cheese and semi-fresh bread, one of my favorite red wines for the price

>>21438411 (OP)
I like red wine, but I never buy it since I don't know what's what, so I just keep drinking spirits.

>>21439809
Go back and read his comment.
He appreciates whisky, he appreciates bitterness but he doesn't appreciate run of the mill reds and whites.
And by "bio aged" I mean biologically aged sherries, manzannilla and the like. - just google "velo flor"
And do me a favor... Shut the fuck up.

>>21441522
How do you know that he hasn't tried non-run of the mill reds and whites?

Beer and whisky is generally sweeter than dry wine - either because of the residual complex sugars or because ethanol comes across as sweet. Did you even read MY post?

Seethe fag.

>>21441597
Nice kikeddit spacing newfag

I'm sitting on an unopened bottle of dry amber qvevri, what do with it?

>>21441686
a bottle of qvevris? must be a big bottle!

>>21438411 (OP)
For me? It has to be Shiraz. Especially aussie Shiraz. Unfortunately my favorite bottle of Shiraz got all drank up a couple years ago. Been looking for one that had as an intense olive brine note as it did for awhile

But that ain't grape juice filthy goyim

>>21438411 (OP)
I do, sometimes i take notes
>>21438427
ooh nice shit

>>21440475
in your defense, italians do a pretty good job making sure the best stuff doesn't leave italy. if you get the chance to go to italy (especially vinitaly) you'll realize most the stuff that gets exported is whatever they don't want to drink.

Having Chablis tonight
>>21442405
>Filtered by Gamay

>>21442405
it's not remotely difficult to find good italian wine, it's just that normies think of italian wine as the nasty boring shit you get at a depressing redsauce joint on mott street. you have to remember the average wine drinker does not keep a list of "bucket list varietals" or anything so autistic, they think "I like a nice smooth buttery napa cab with my outback, omg the prisoner! like snoop doggy dogg!" or "I like a good white wine when it's hot outside but miss me with the champagne the sweetness gives me a headache and I'm not a little girl or a fag" and that's the extent of their interest

>>21439626
scooped up picrel last time i was at TJ, $19.99 was probably one of the more expensive bottles on the shelf but it tasted like a nice village level southern rhone. would recommend, very solid QPR.
>>21442416
you got another appellation i should try? languedoc gamay are often too bretty frenchy ime and cru beajolais is money that should've been spent on nebbiolo langhe or spatburgunder or frappato

>>21442424
you're $10 lioco casa seca guy aren't you. everything this person says is a lie.

>>21442424
Cru beaujo is the bomb. Totally worth 20-35.

>>21442428
>would you like some dirty socks with your dirty socks? that will be $45 please plus tip
I don't mind a fleurie every now and then to mix it up but that's about as much funk as I'm willing to put up with at those prices. cru bojo is massively overhyped in general. "terroir" is all fine and good but sometimes a flaw is just a flaw (I'm not the original guy who was filtered by gamay)

>>21442425
yes i am deal finder anon, retards in my city just don't know how to price wine. also TJ wines are suspiciously cheap, no idea how they make Barolo for under ten bucks but I seriously doubt that it's good.
>This Chateneuf-du-Pape is available exclusively (perhaps, see below) at Trader Joe's and sells for $19.99, which is a fairly low price for this region. It is produced by Vignobles & Compagnie who make several other of the French wine selections from Trader Joe's.
i'm not lying, worst part about TJ wine is they keep all the nice stuff under those awful lights

>>21442428
>>21442432
recommend a cru beaujolais producer or label that isn't a brett bomb and i'll check it out. or am i better off looking at new world stuff?

>>21442462
Stay away from the brouillies and morgons and you'll have better luck with the cru bojo, like I said fleurie can be alright

Finger lakes area produces some gamay but idk if you'll be able to find it outside the northeast US, I can't say I've ever really been on the lookout for new world gamay in general, I don't hate the grape I just don't get excited over it especially not at cru beajolais prices

>>21442421
good italian wine sure, but finding great italian wine at near-italian prices is not easy. and like you said, most people have no idea how to navigate an italian wine list/section if there aren't any french varietals listed.
>>21442498
okay, i'll add fingerlakes gamay to my list. most the new world gamay i see on the west coast is usually more expensive than the old world stuff.

>>21442424
>$20 for CdP
So jealous can't get that for less than 40 here

>>21442405
way too many white in the upper tier

Gruner being anywhere above "I don't get it" tier is weird.

>>21442830
oopse. Not sure how brachetto ended up a C-lister. I think it belongs on the B list. Ha ha get it? Brachetto belongs on the B list

>>21442644
yeah i probably factor in QPR too much in my rankings. i still feel like the highest quality red varietals are highly limited to their indigenous terroir whereas the best whites perform well across many different expressions without sacrificing quality.

>>21442836
>Gruner, Melon, Godello (but also in B?), Semillon, Verdejo, Picpoul, Muller-Thurgau
is it the lack of fruit that weirds you out or the herby salty oxidative green and mineral notes that turn you off?

>>21442928
Yes

>>21442930
And which side of the Barolo wars are you on?

>>21442405
>>21442836
Riesling > all

>>21442952
Pinot moggs

>>21444104
post Vosne-Romanee or fuck off lmao

>>21444226
>2020
infanticide

>>21440475
That's a you problem buddy boi

>>21438469
I am, but wine Is tasty

>>21438469
>I'm poor
We know

>>21442836
carmenere is in there twice

opening a foxen cab today

my dad was adamant that his nasty tasting wine was actually top quality because that's how dry wines are supposed to taste. i got some commercial dry wine and now i can confirm that his wine is garbage but also that dry wines are not good. why do people drink this stuff?

>>21446375
>commercial dry wine
of course it's going to be shit

>>21446377
and where should i be getting it then? craft wine breweries?

>>21446382
>craft wine breweries
just give up, American

>>21446375
>>21446377
>>21446382
>dry wine
????
Did you mean drive wine?

>>21446375
dry wines pair well with food

Wine "pairing" with food is the biggest meme of all time. It was probably made up by rich people to trick poors into instantly exposing themselves so that they can be excluded from high society. Which is a good thing. Poors should always dream big but live small. However, all wine does is overpower the taste of food and ruin your palate for the meal.

>>21446874
>However, all wine does is overpower the taste of food and ruin your palate for the meal.
let me guess, you ordered a napa cab with raw oysters

Nothing wrong with a well made cheap wine. You're not going to get much complexity, it's basically just grape juice that gets you drunk, but sometimes it really hits the spot. I promise this is not entirely my alcoholism speaking.

Weak Premier Cru or Village of a good producer?

>>21439310
>Visiting family for holiday
>Brings a bunch of wine and holds a blind taste testing
>Join in because why not, excuse to drink
>Consistently prefer the more expensive wine
>Still describe them all as tasting like wine
>Even preferring the expensive one, it was not worth the 100 dollar difference between the high and low end

Emperor's new clothes.

>>21447534
for burgundy? definitely producer. cru is just an estimation of the ceiling, but reputable producers have a quality floor they're expected to uphold.

>>21447602
Ya burg.
That's what I'm thinking but sometimes you see some no name 1ers for about the same price and wonder...

>>21447614
oh i def snag them sometimes, i got a picrel at costco for like ~$40-45ish, needed a ton of air but eventually it started singing

>>21447620
Damn that thing would be like 80 bucks where I am

>>21447627
ask a friend with a costco membership to bring you along and hunt the wine aisle for gems

>>21438411 (OP)
I cook with wine, but I don't really drink. Anyway, what is a good red wine to incorporate into a beef stew?

>>21442405
>>21442836
Seeing people rate the cabernets and merlot (shit bordeaux poopshit) above mourvèdre and cinsault (elite southern reds) is just laughable but at least you got some of it right by putting pinot noir on top of the list (Bourgogne is S-tier and the rest of the world is second-rate in comparison)
Drinking cheap côtes du Rhône all week like an honest citizen. Reminder: if a bottle costs more than 8€ but less than 30, it's probably shit. Especially Spanish wine, they have an entire category of grifter juice that you have to outpay to avoid, it's like they jump straight from peasant fuel to fancy dinner hooch, no in-betweens

Napa wine taster here. You don’t have to go all out on Caymus, try stags leap or duckhorn

>>21446961
I have been offered dozens of "parings" in many settings. Whether it was staff at Bordeaux or Burgundian estates or the Maitre d'hotel at a Michelin-starred restaurant, the wine took away from the experience every single time. It's the biggest bullshit meme of all time.

>>21448008
When cooking with wine you're really not going to taste much of a difference between a cheap wine and an expensive one, so I recommend you find a competently made wine that's maybe around the $5 mark. Probably a grape variety with intense flavors but not too high on the tannins, like a cabernet maybe. Pic related is what I most often use, but you're good as long as you don't get bottom of the barrel undrinkable tier shit.

>>21446874
>>21448176
Something is wrong with your palate. Getting into too much detail for pairing might be a meme but if you've never had a woody red wine that complemented a red meat or a dry white that unveiled new flavors against a hard sheep cheese either your food is bad or you just don't like wine in the first place (which you have every right to, but dismisses any of your opinions on the matter).

>>21448082
>Bourgogne is S-tier and the rest of the world is second-rate in comparison
holy pleb

>>21448088
thanks Larry for your insight, was the post-Napa swingers party for your 70th birthday enjoyable?

>>21438469
NPBP

>>21438754
They insist upon themselves

>>21439626
>but anything decent at Trader Joe’s?

I'm a europoor, so I wouldn't know. But the only worthwile personality left on BA might have something to add:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqMws-ZEecU

>>21448573
It's Gary with a G, but leaving that aside... heck yeah! Barb and me are going to the hotwife party tonight, she is going to wear the Frederick's of Hollywood teddy I got her back in '98 and I pick the vino. In keeping with our "think outside the box" approach, we decided to take a risk with this Elouan Pino. Deep purple (ha!), this will knock your socks off with a bold blast of vanilla, tobacco, chocolate, and dark fruits. I ain't drinkin no stinkin' merlot!

Wine fags are insufferable.

>>21438450
I can enjoy wine, but I've never found any of it mind blowing, especially compared to whisky and well made gin drinks. It's way more difficult to navigate compared to every other drink, drinking it 'the right way' is often super finicky due to how much vintage, aeration and storage play into the taste, a large portion of it is lame and you often cane barely tell the quality given the price.

It's actually cool that there are pretty decent wines that can be had very cheaply, and that's the biggest reason a bother with wine at all, but overall I find wine to be the most disappointing and biggest waste of time of any drink and am kind of just envious of the kind of people who have the tastebuds to get more out of it than I do.

>>21438469
>>21448646

Is this best value in French vino?

>>21448887
For the price you could do a lot worse, but in terms of an affordable French wine that drinks like a much more expensive French wine, it wouldn't even make the list for me.

>so which ones make the list
Ha ha, nice try.

>>21448894
so which ones make the list

>>21438879
>>21438879
>Not liking IPAs
Oh boohoo, excuse me for disliking the taste of Mango in my beer

>>21448887
for widely available bottles you can find at a supermarket, it's up there. if i had $10 to spend at a caviste i'd probably get something else.

>>21438411 (OP)
Got this bottle of port from my uncle. Decided to open it for some dessert. Anyone know anything about port?

>>21449274
Can't ever go wrong with Port

I realized recently that I don't drink nearly enough chardonnay

>>21448082
embarrassing post, there's nothing wrong with your perrin cdr but let's not act like it's actually better than even a mid tier lalande de pomerol let alone something actually good like a corison

Red wine is for homosexuals and women

Cabernet Franc gang, the real slurper cépage

>>21438411 (OP)
Can we get a copypasta/datasheet for /wine/?

>>21449888
I'm not that other guy, I said I drink cheap wine. Bordeaux is shit and it's a good thing that they're collapsing (55k acres of vineyards uprooted in the past couple of years) because of decades of relying more on their brand name than on the quality of their product, and non-euro wine is a joke. There are places that have continuously produced wine for the past 3000 years in the same spot and you're talking about new-world single-variety overpriced soup like it's even in the same realm. Stick to your aerosol cheese and imitation crab, mutt.

>>21450238
do you just have an extremely dry sense of humor or are you being unintentionally retarded. why don't you visit the vineyard at your "3000 year continuously produced" wine place, and see what kind of rootstock they're grafting those vines onto to keep them alive

Make way for the king

>>21451009
I don't know wtf happened to that stuff but it's gotten astronomically expensive in the last few years. I suppose you paid $11 for it or something. I assume you're that guy.

>>21451025
No you're right it has gotten unbelievably expensive.
I usually go for Selbach or Loosen cause they're cheaper and more widely available.

>>21450052
This guy's S tier is right >>21442836.

>>21451025
>don't know wtf happened to that stuff but it's gotten astronomically expensive in the last few years.
the distributor/importer that carries it is the most turbo-jewish wine companies known to man, everything in their portfolio has gone up 50% in the past few years

>>21450684
where did phyllox come from?!! get graped you acetobacter

>>21451824
>can't even protect her vines from a tiny little bug
sounds like she was asking for it. anyway, I've heard from botanists that if it's legitimate phylloxera, the grape vine has ways to shut that whole thing down

>>21438411 (OP)
Grape juice tastes good, I won't drink your easter egg dye

>>21448628
if I was sufferable I wouldn't need to drink alone, checkmate beer normies

I Got my order some days ago

>Comalats Marquesa
100% Picapoll Blanc. Catalonia (Spain)
>Casa Balaguer Tomatierra
100% Cabernet Franc. Alicante (Spain)
>Òrbita Venus
100% Trepat. Catalonia (Spain)
>Románico
100% Tinta de Toro. Castilla y Leon (Spain)
>Azul y Garanza Suelo Vivo Blanco
90% Grenache blanc, 10% Muscat of Alexandria. Navarra (Spain)
>9+ SALUT!
50% Sumoll, 45% Tempranillo, 5% Xarello Vermell. Catalonia (Spain)
>Mariotti Surliè
100% Fortana. Emilia-Romagna (Italy)
>Vinas Mora Barbba
80% Different red grape varieties, 10% Debit, 10% Marastina. Dalmatia (Croatia)
>Louis-Antoine Luyt El Mismo Pais
100% Pais. Central Valley (Chile)
>Can Descregut Atrevit
100% Merlot. Penedès (Spain)
>9+ Selecció 3R
100% Xarello Vermell. Catalonia (Spain)
>9+ Selecció 6E
100% Muscat of Alexandria. Catalonia (Spain)

>>21453362
Seems based and diverse

avin the 2022

gonna be a falanghina night for me chat

>>21442424
Just got '22 vintage of this

>>21453880
>>21442424
is CDP even good? I tried some when I visited marseille and I was not into it at all. in fairness I had quite a lot to drink before that glass so my palate might have been fucked but at the time it tasted like some overbearing boomer shit

>>21453884
I think CDP has enough range to appeal to everyone but the regulations make it really hard to make a dainty CDP. sometimes you'll get an "off-vintage" northern sloping >90% Grenache blend that never sees new-oak and drinks more like a super high quality cannonau di sardegna than any other GSM you'll find from that same vintage.

>>21453362
Are millenormies and zoomies "embracing™" these newfangled pseudo 'clarets'...? God help us

>>21454376
Clarets and light reds are great for summer, appetizer or a light food in general.
What is to hate about it you monumental faggot?

>>21454389
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

>>21454376
this kind of shit happens every generation or so, this is just cold duck 3.0. it will be cool for a while, then just kind of "there", then passe, then inconceivably gauche, then it will disappear for about 15 years, then some retard will rediscover it. this is all going to be environmentally dependent too, if you're around "wine nerds" you'll be hitting these phases a good 5 years before everyone else

>>21454133
>super high quality cannonau di sardegna
>that will be $50 plus jiziya tax
>this is the best-case scenario
I'm not anti-oak but it's more something up with which to be put, rather than something to pay extra for. I figure if the skin, seeds, and stems don't contain enough tannins maybe it didn't need more, maybe I'm just laggard bandwagoning onto 2010s values though

>>21454614
Wine is not subject to some passing trends like skinny jeans, you retard, it's a centuries old tradition.
Young light "rusic" wine were always considered a lesser wine, peasants made it for their own consumption, and it was always considered less prestigious than full-bodied, classic red wines.
it's only in recent years they become popular because of the natural wine moviment, and even today is seen with disdain by traditionalists and classic wine producers.

>>21454713
>zoomzoom thinks his "timeless" baggy suit from zara won't look dated and silly in 10 years
did I click on /fa/ by accident? is the hair loss schizo going to start spamming now?

>>21454720
Lol millennial boomer got triggered with the skinny jeans
I said skinny jeans but could have said baggy jeans.
It is not the point.
Winemaking don't follow 5 years trends you retard

>>21454727
>wine trends aren't real
and this is how everyone can tell you're a broccoli-headed zoomie, 10 years ago everyone was saying "this fad of overripe parker wines is finally over and we're returning to #timeless #restrained #sprezzy wines where the wine speaks for itself and is non interventionist and is unafraid to tl;dr"

and now you zoomies who have only known thin grassy brett bombs are like "this fad of underripe natty wines is finally over and we're returning to #timeless #bold #sprezzy wines where the wine speaks for itself and follows the classic full bodied traditions and is unafraid to (tl;dr)"

it's the same shit with the words swapped around, there have always been fads, and there always will be fads, when you grow up you'll get it

>>21454735
Do you suffer from dementia you old fart?

I said the trends you're referring to, don't exist among traditional, classic winemakers.
I'm not talking about the hipster natural wine subculture, which remains a marginal niche.

The greatest wines out there are time-honored wine profiles that have been refined over generations to express the full potential of their terroir. In many cases, these wines come from vineyards with centuries-old vines

>>21454767
???
I said the same as in my first post, traditional winemaking don't follow fads, they work with what they have and get the best from it, vintage after vintage

>>21454779
not really though, you changed your argument by adding a bunch of qualifiers that weren't there before after you got btfo and made to look like a fool

>>21438469
You know words have meanings right? You know that alcoholism is over consumption of alcohol. People that drink any amount of alcohol are not alcoholics. You are a retarded illiterate zoomer and shouldn't even be on the internet.

>>21454630
Sounds like you might not like Grenache, there are producers out there totally destemming the fruit and making even less tannic CDP if that’s what’s turning you off, but those bottles are not cheap.

>>21438479
Of fucking course he drinks rose....

>>21454917
paying more for worse is not the solution I had in mind

>>21454927
oh then get the more affordable CDPs that have way more syrah and mourvedre in them

>>21454779
>wine doesn't follow trends
>yes it does
>wine doesn't follow trends in specific groups
Nta but that's moving the goal posts, friendo.
Also you're wrong anyway, the wine making process even among high end "classic" wines changes with public taste and technology.
The obvious example being that some new world wines are accepted as high end now.
I believe it was in the 80s that isolated yeast became popular over wild yeast. That trend seems to have reversed thanks to a handfull of stubborn Frenchies. And probably most of Italy.

>>21454937
I like my grenache just fine, I just like tannins that taste natural. but I'm impatient, maybe if I had a big cellar and a longer time horizon I would appreciate it more

>>21454735
nta but zoomers are still at that stage of drinking whatever goes down the easiest, almost all of them have no strong preferences beyond a very low tolerance for austerity.

friendly reminder that you should drink what you want but you should also always be on the lookout to expand your palate

>>21455006
I wish I had the money to expand my palate like that

Outside of restaurants, I never paid more than 40€ for a bottle, I just can't justify it with so many great wines under that price, specially if you live in Europe.

GSM moggs Pinot and Nebbiolo
Btw

>>21448393
Like I said I've been to wineries in Bordeaux and Burgundy so I drink a lot of wine. The food pairings they offered was top notch by itself, so was the wine. Yet it was utter shit in combination, just like every other time I tried it.
It's just a meme, there is no complement, it's made up. Wine ruins the taste of food while chewing food takes away from the experience of drinking wine. I simply eat the food, then drink the bottle of wine after.

>>21438469
>Faux sophistry
All sophistry is disingenuous you retard. Learn what words mean before you use them
>>21439626
The TJ Seguin de Bordeaux is a great easy drinking summer white. It really doesn't taste like much beyond being a broadly palatable white wine, completely inoffensive but enjoyable by design. If you need a drink for the women at a pool party or a white to cook with that you can also drink it's a go to.
And yeah Napa Cabs are good, but are basically cough syrup on their own texture wise. You need to drink them slowly with a huge steak.

>>21456297
Whoops, Sauvignon de Seguin not Seguin de Bordeaux. Sorry anons.

>>21456125
why must you divide and conquer
there is room enough for all of us
but note that you're objectively wrong at everything but the $20-$30 range

>>21456168
most classic pairings are lazy and have more to do with managing tannins with protein
here are a list of objectively amazing pairings that you probably haven't done, where the combination lifts both the food and wine to new heights
>sauternes + blue cheese
>pinot blanc + white chocolate
>nebbiolo + truffles/morels
>champagne + potato chips
>bone-dry riesling + ceviche/poke
>merlot/right bank bordeaux + beef bourguignon
>provence rose + shrimp scampi
>syrah + steak au poivre

>>21457294
>most classic pairings are lazy and have more to do with managing tannins with protein
not always, sometimes it's just "here's a wine I obviously chose because I regard it as a second-class palate washer to quench the odd taste of food that challenges me, but as you can see it was not generic chardonnay or moscato d'asti, so if we don't ask any questions it might sound like a carefully considered choice"

aka "reisling" (unspecified style or region) with "asian food" (unspecified style or region)

>>21448008
>what is a good red wine to incorporate into a beef stew?
Typically the best you can persuade yourself to afford for that use. I mostly use really cheap red for that, but I'm cheap-ass on these things.

>>21438411 (OP)
I drink beer because I'm not a sad 50 year old mom

>>21449274
Oooh, that looks interesting.
The main thing with port is don't leave it sitting there too long after opening the bottle. It's nothing like as strong as whiskey, so it doesn't keep as well (but better than ordinary wine after opening).

>>21438479
>>21454925
Who?

>>21457684
James Suckling

>>21438411 (OP)
I make my own "wine" by combining concord grape juice, hibiscus tisane concentrate (for tannins + acidity), and cheap vodka.

Mix them to a ratio that ends up being 12.5% ABV, which I do in a 64 oz jug being 20 oz vodka, 32 oz concord, 12 oz hibiscus. It tastes and looks just like red wine, but it comes out to be only $2 a bottle. Has more antioxidants too, and doesn't give as bad of a hangover.

>>21442421
I buy good wine. I have purchased several bottles of italian wine with high ratings on wine searcher, cellar tracker, and from critics that were over 100 dollars a bottle. Its not the best of the best but they were decent bottles of wine that i just didn't enjoy. I tried good bottles of barolo, amarone, brunello, etc. I just never end up enjoying it as much as an equally priced bottle of bordeaux.I even prefer wines from california at the same price. I don't think they are all gross they just aren't to my taste for whatever reason.

>>21457713
LMAO

Arneis tonight

>>21458022
Never had one, looks interesting. Will seek one out.

>>21458071
This is a cheap one. I've only had respectable ones before. I recommend trying a good one first. This one could be mistaken for a mediocre pinot grigio (but I repeat myself)

Vietti makes a serviceable one, I'd try that

>>21458074
Will try one from Vietti if I see one then

Washington and British Columbia are like two or three warm vintages away from collapsing 95% of Cali's wine industry. Like if you're still growing Burgundian (or god forbid, Alsatian) varietals outside Santa Rita Hills, Anderson Valley or Fort Ross, just rip that shit out the ground tomorrow morning and find whatever Mediterranean varietal(s) will actually agree with your terroir for the foreseeable future.

>>21458455
Until all the boomers are dead and muh judgment of paris brainlets stop breathing Napa will never stop dominating North American wine

>>21458455
rita hills is kino

>>21458628
Napa still cranks out awesome cabs that age beautifully.

>>21457732
Is there a reason you chose vodka over something higher proof like everclear?

>>21458912
Their unoaked whites are the purest in the country imho.

I go to a wine aisle and aside from the types i couldn't tell you shit about what im picking. I just pick whatever is mid expensive

>>21459569
Based enjoyer

>>21459577
I wish I understood more about what i randomly grab but whatever

>>21459582
Go to a wine bar and talk to the staff or go to a dedicated wine shop, they should be able to help you out.

>>21459582
at mid-expensive prices you can still find a serious high quality south american wine, a very drinkable well-made wine from spain, portugal, italy, germany and austria, or roll the dice on an entry level wine from USA, australia, south africa and france.

>>21460523
But like , how do you even know that aside from assuming price = quality

thats the step thats missing. I couldn't look at a menu and be like "yep this is going to be a well made wine" , thats the piece thats missing for me

>>21460637
You taste things. Whatever you like is good. Hopefully you don't end up liking ultra expensive left bank Bordeaux.

I know jackshit about wince except red and white and one is sweet, one is not and other is in between

>>21460637
if you have no idea what you're looking at, it's usually safer to pick the label with the most specific information on:
>what's in the wine
does it just say red blend or does it list the individual varietals and their percentages?
>where it's from
country of origin is standard, region is helpful, the name of the vineyard itself is ideal
>when it was made
vintage year, harvest time (early or late in the season)
>who produced it
is it like kirkland brand slop or a proud family owned winery?
>how it was made
is it a reserve wine that's been aged in new oak barrels for months? did they add sulfur or sugar to the wine? is it a low intervention made with its own wild yeast?
>and who imported it.
some importers have a better reputation than others so bonus points if you recognize the name

>>21460637
>price = quality
Not true btw (least not always).
This is a good explanation if you're going in blind >>21460920

>>21460637
>price = quality
This is generally true but you need to understand a few things. In countries where labor prices are high the wine will cost more unless they are very efficient in production like new zealand but typically south american wine will be cheaper than european or american wine at similar levels of quality. Then at some point you get into supply and demand issues where there are very few bottles of very good wine and the price becomes decoupled from the quality because very wealthy people are essentially bidding against one another for the bottles driving the price up. Some years are better for growing grapes and the wine tastes better and that varies by region obviously. You will see those vintages in those regions that scored well selling for more money.

>>21461174
rent and land costs drive up the price more than anything honestly.

I only drink Paul Masson because they sell no wine before its time.

I absolutely love this stuff. Am I just a dumb newbie or is my pallate correct?

>>21460637
This >>21461214 poc is a good example of something you know is shit just by looking at it.
>That bottle design
>California (just says the state and no region or vineyard)
>No vintage
>Says Burgundy which is not something generally said by North American producers. They almost always state the grape itself.

>>21461225
They will sell NO WINE before its time.

>>21461222
it's ass. you can get a cab sauv from south america, languedoc, sicily or the ancient world for even cheaper.

>>21461206
chicken and egg everyone can just agree on rich vs poor countries and leave it at that but the caveat about production efficiency is valid.

>>21461305
imagine you own two plots that're identical in every way (acreage, varietal, quality, production cost) except one plot yields x10 more grapes than the other. the grapes from both plots sell at the same price since they're identical in quality. which plot of land is more valuable?

>>21438411 (OP)
So both my girlfriend and i can get a romantic date and also get super horny since wine is afrodisiac.

For me, it's Ridge.

>>21461815
One of the better cali Chardonnays

>>21461831
One of the better everythings, really. I really want to make a trek out to California to see their Monte Bello winery. The thing is it's not in Napa/Sonoma, it's actually about an hour's drive outside San Francisco. So you kind of need to make a trip just for them. I'm thinking I may go in February, when the rate on hotels isn't as high.

>>21461863
probably still worth. Napa is kinda overrated ngl.

>>21461815
is their merlot any good?

>>21461222
You could also try one from Casillero del Diablo, i really enjoy theirs. or try any other chilean winery, known for good wine. But also depends what youre looking for in a wine and the context you'll drink it eyyy

>>21462953
>>21461222

Forgot to add, pallet correct my guy

my gf got a bottle of caymus cab sav for free
reddit seething inbound

>>21462961
lol how is the wine in the us?

>>21461214
>>21461229
>haha I posted it again!
kill yourself

>>21462971
britty gud. beat french shite

>>21438411 (OP)
I've had red wine I really liked but I never feel like I actually wanted to buy some myself.
Stores in my country generally categorise them with tags such as fruity, aromatic, vibrant, supple and robust. I once tried 20$ bottles of every combination and none of them really interested me. They're all ok to me, I can't really tell if I like one type more.

White wine is trash

Thinking verdejo

Thinking Chenin
>>21463964
>White wine is trash
No.

>>21462655
Yeah, it rules. Everything Ridge makes is good. I've never had a bad wine from them. Their Three Valleys is an elite Zin.

>>21461174
I don't think price = quality holds up for wine anymore at all. Land prices in regions like Napa and Champagne have been bid up so high that the bottle prices are essentially fully abstracted from quality and based on branding.
I'm now frequently finding $10 - $20 range bottles from Italy, less popular US and France regions, South America, etc that are basically as good as what you'd expect from a comparable varietal grown somewhere like Napa that's $50+.
I know a number of status-anxious but rich guys who buy bottles from Napa vineyards by the case. But I'm trying to talk to them about wine, they don't really seem to be able to do much more than repeat tasting notes from the website and hit on talking points about why Napa is special. Bottles from those regions are now more or less a Louis Vuitton bag covered in logos - a sign that somebody knows what the middle class conception of a rich person likes, but hasn't taken the time to actually develop meaningfully develop taste or engage with upper class codes hobbies like wine drinking.
Wine buying for me has been about finding a wine region that those kind of guys haven't heard about yet and getting into it. So I can drink good wine and still be a miserly prick who doesn't spend any of my money.

>>21438479
Does he still work at Google?

agnis, my beloved

cheers, /ck/!

2022 Bianchi Sangiovese from Paso Robles, would definitely recommend.

>>21465508
I look like this

>>21465561
Never seen Sangiovese from Cali interesting.

>>21464648
Tried the zin, very primitivo adjacent. Good rec

>>21465712
lets go out some time

I used to be mostly into reds but i think my palate has changed and now I prefer a good white, especially a sauv blanc, Gewurztraminer or Grüner Veltliner

>>21438411 (OP)
make my own, way better than the mass produced aged tannin sludge from stores

>>21461863
they actually have three wineries now that you can visit, I'd just pick whichever is most convenient since they all have the same products

I like Three Valleys but calling it a "zinfandel" is a bit rich

On the other hand America is anything-goes when it comes to labeling and this is probably the least worst thing any producer has ever done when it comes to misleading labels

>>21467451
>mass produced aged tannin sludge from stores
Enough about Cali reds

>>21467494
You misspelled "chile"

>>21467511
Where in Australia is this “chile”?

>>21468033
He actually meant left bank Bordeaux

what do you alkies think of nu-bonnydoon? have they lost de wey?

>>21454925
Imagine getting filtered by rosé in 2025

>>21468203
Never seen it. Looks like shit

>>21468473
>would you care for some some smuckers grape jam with your mega purple?

>>21468946
Kek >>21467494

>>21461815
How's the Chardonnay? Overly oaky?

>>21468473
quite possibly the nicest glass cakebread cellars has ever been in

I have always wanted to learn more about wine. I like wine, but for a long time I didn't really have preferences with wine. I'm only just at the beginning of learning what I actually like. I started drinking a lot more white wines, learned I love dessert wine (always with cheese) even though I in general prefer dry wines otherwise. I love champagne, and minerally chardonnay, vinho Verde is a joy to drink, and I found I tend to avoid Cabernet Sauvignon - I haven't found many I liked to the extent that for a while I only drank malbecs, zinfandel, and amarone (I still don't know enough to know if this makes any sense) They had a tasting my my local liquor store and found a chateauneuf de pape that made me want to explore reds more. Basically I know nothing about wine, I've really only tried a few grapes and I think some bad wines have caused me to overcorrect. Any anons have advice on how to find new wines to try to expand my palate?

>>21471122
It's pretty normal to prefer kick-me-in-the-nuts red wines when you're first getting into wine so don't force it, just drink what you like. If you get bored, you can then try to challenge yourself with pinot noirs and such (the real kind, not california or australia/nz (same thing) PN)

>>21471122
You clearly know enough about wine desu.
Anyways I don't like Cab Sauvs either but similarly love lean dry whites and Rhone blends.

>>21471128
>kick-me-in-the-nuts red wines
Thanks for the laugh, anon. I'll give some Pinot noirs a try
>>21471148
I can talk about wine more than I actually feel like I know it, but anyways thanks for saying that I guess. The chateauneuf du pape was Andre Brunel "est-ouest" from 2020

>>21471122
time to try a bourgogne rouge or nebbiolo langhe to expand your palate. etna rosso, priorat too. or just try something adjacent to what you've already been drinking, have a primitivo instead of a zin, have a valpolicella instead of an amarone, find a malbec with some age on it.

>>21471421
Cool. Thanks for the recs.

should I try syrah

>>21472783
Yes. South African.

>>21471122
go to tastings, especially seminar-style ones if possible, and take notes. sometimes it's the only way you can access certain wines or older vintages. and keep an open mind when you see something that you might ordinarily dismiss. I recently got mindbroken by a cali zin by clos saron that I would never have called a zin (from cali or from puglia) on a blind, because the winemaker didn't fuck the grapes to death. it's annoying, you can still find the classic well-balanced and complex california wines that put the state on the world stage in the first place, but you have to dig deep and more often than not pay deep
>>21472783
yes, rocks district oregon or n. rhone are my favorite regions
>>21472803
I wish south africa got more distribution, I've heard many good things but haven't had much exposure

>>21472783
ya go santa barbara or northern rhone

>>21473254
>heard many good things about south african wine
is that a joke? because south african wine is

>>21473856
not a joke, have heard it from a few different wine geeks whose opinions I respect. maybe I should roll the dice on a bottle of porseleinberg or something and see for myself

thinking muscadet

>>21474659
Good choice.
Pinot for me today.

>>21473374
>>21472803
>>21473254
am trying it, tastes like pinot noir except more berries

I got a bottle of this, it was going to be Dr. Loosen Blue Slate but last time I got that I drank the whole bottle in an hour so I figured I'd get something that I could just sip on like iced tea

I'm not gonna say it's great, but it's a Thursday, it's hot as fuck, and I know I'm not going to finish the whole bottle in one sitting, which makes me feel less like an alkie

>>21474894
>Loosen Blue Slate
One of the best value bottles for any varietal

>>21448894
fuuck you

>>21474938
You can thank r-slurred German branding. Literally none of this sounds appealing to normies if you're not German. Blue sounds like it's related to Blue Nun. Doctor is never something you want to think of when drinking alcohol, what good could possibly come of that? Slate, ok, if you're fart-huffing "wine geek" maybe that sounds cool but otherwise it does nothing for normies.

But that's their loss if special (like shortbus special) people like me can see through the ruse.

Reddit spacing yeah, deal with it spergs.

>>21476073
Not sure what you're trying to say Hans. But yes I'll keep drinking it cause it's good value Mosel.

>>21473254
Was this black swan or newz?

Thinking Grillo

>>21476703
Looks interesting

Incoming $5 Trader Joe’s Chilean Cab review

>>21477010
Recommendable QPR at $5. looks smells and tastes like quality entry level CabSauv. A little brett on the nose, CT bombed this in previous vintages because it was so overwhelming, but this is manageable.

>>21477092
Good to know.
Is it old jammy? Or more old worldly?

>>21477157
def more old worldy in style but the fruit is generous from start to finish. i think it appeals to both at $5 nobody's gonna be pissed off, of all the major chain grocery stores in the US i feel like trade joe's definitely rewards you the most if you know how to read labels.

>>21477175
trade joe's and publix, not sure if publix premium shelf is still goated but when i lived in the southeast a few years back the top shelf at publix had the most insane shit, feels like the bottom shelf at trader joe's is where you get the real scores more often than not.

Christ almighty hit the bump limit

>>21474888
that's kind of weird, got a bottle shot? sounds like one of those oddball syrahs that are made much lighter to appeal to people who normally drink pn
>>21476128
black swan
>>21476073
feh, that's nothing compared to the old school branding with the full text of mein kampf on the label

I'm a bit of a fool in this area, just drinking random wines to get a taste for them and understand the differences between styles. I was thinking of trying some orange and ginger wine tonight perhaps. What do you guys think of this?

>>21477903
there is a lot of very mediocre orange wine these days, if you want to understand why people raving about it rave about it, you're probably not going to understand with a $12 bottle, I'm sure it will be drinkable but there won't be a "oh, I get it now" moment

>>21477694
Those looks kino.

wine hangover sucks

>>21477175
Mm good to know. Maybe I'll pick it up

>>21457551
Yeah my father made a really nice raspberry swirl thing, he was a baker for 50 years, so it was very good. The port went with it swimmingly so I drank the whole bottle. Had a bit of sediment thoug especially near the end—bottle was probably acquired 20ish years ago. Still some of the best port I’ve ever had, not that I’ve had many

yes, i think it's time for verdicchio

A cute girl at the wine shop picked up the same hipster meme bottle as me which made her seem cool and approachable and she was chatting with the clerk about the kind of wine hipster shit I like to sperg about, and she noticed me waiting and tried to include me in the conversation and I dropped my spaghetti so hard it changed the rotation of the earth

And now I'm here drinking alone on 4chan on a Saturday night, someone kill me please

Having the ‘22 vintage of the CdP anon recommended itt. $18.99, with lamb lollipops and simmered summer veg

>>21479198
F

57 year old here and I've only drank one bottle of wine in my life. Back in high school I got a bottle of port (because that's something Conan would drink) and got all fucked up partying with friends and was sick for two days afterward.

Tonighr I am drinking;

Trader Joes Grand Reserve - Alexander Valley Cabernet Sauvignon

Pros: Easy to drink, light, clean, $12.99
Cons: Its so light and easy to drink that its almost too light

As it sits for a little longer im noticing more depth of the initial flavors, but it doesnt really stay long, there is a little bit of lingering flavor and warmth though. For people who never drink wine this would probably be a great entry level wine as it is not harsh at all.

Lot 140 if anyone cares

today calls for etna bianco

>>21480040
I think I will also have some

>>21479427
MI fag here, Traverse/Leelanau area has some really good vineyards, Chateau Fontaine makes my favorite whites in that region

>>21480587
good idea

Yup

>>21480818
>>21480734
omg twinnnn :D

>>21480734
>>21480818
Is this shit good? At the moment I only drink cabs and not white wine because im worried it will taste like rubbing alcohol

>t. wine noob

>>21481246
its fun cause its different depending on what you normally drink. in your case it will be.
>>21480818
>>21480734
>>21480856
meant to give you a (You)

>>21481246
It’s the tits. Great with cioppino or really any shell fish dish

>>21481533
I've seen that a few times and always lol at how their label...borrows elements from DRC's label design

>>21481572
A lot of thise northern contrade on etna lean into the burgundy larp

>>21438411 (OP)
>seekay

How cringe. I'm glad this is about to hit the bump limit and die. No one likes seeing cutesy bullshit like 'seekay' for a goddamned month.

>>21481635
Oh shit should we bake a new?

>>21481572
Lol ya I always think that too

>>21481572
I thought it was just me

>>21481636
i think 'yes'

>>21481572
Virgin Romanee Conti vs Chad DOC Etna

>>21482233
Does etna even have a DOC? I thought they just wanted to do their contrada appellation system

>>21481636
>baking

Wow, you're cringe too. I guess the new "baker" will probably put some cringe shit like 'seekay' on the next "bread" (bread instead of thread... Isn't that CUTE!!)

KYS, lushes

>>21482433
Well this is ck

>>21442462
Jean Foillard
Yann Bertrand
Clos de la Roilette
Dutraive/Domaine de la Grand Cour
>>21482395
Yeah they're still DOC for the wider appellation. Not sure if they've gone full specialized area designations like some in Spain have.

>>21482506
thank you