Thread 21489482

I'm making rice pilaf, lemon chicken, and roasted vegetables (broccoli, brussel sprouts, and asparagus) with parmesan tonight. I'd like to find a nice wine to pair with this but I have no idea what I'm doing or where to start.

>>21489482 (OP)
Get a Sauvignon Blanc, great with chicken and lemony flavors

>>21489487
I was going to say pinot grigio, but I like a crispier tart white rather than the butteriness of chardonnay

>>21489482 (OP)
Get whatever you want but dont forget your butt plug to go with it. Thats a must

>>21489487
Depends on the dishes' "spice load" and "fatty content" as it were...
If you're looking for a varietal in particular I'd go with viognier...

>>21489482 (OP)
whatever franzia is on sale

>>21489482 (OP)
Tempranillo's are a crowd pleaser and go well with most things if you're wanting a red. Just don't get one from california--those are typically bland. I'd also avoid South American wines because of the excessive green notes or clay notes.

>>21489482 (OP)
Muscadet, Chenin or Riesling

>>21489482 (OP)
ice cold retsina, followed by a couple of large chilled ouzo with spring water on the terrace/your futon

>>21489482 (OP)
The malbec in your pic would go very well with some red meat. Save it for that. For your lemon chicken with vegetables I would pair it with a white wine like sauvignon blanc or a lighter red like a pinot noir.

>>21489482 (OP)
With those, a basic chardonnay would work. Pinot Grigio, Sauvignon Blanc (quite good for this), or even a grüner Veltliner.
If you must have red then I‘d say a Pinot Noir (aka Spätburgunder & Burgundy wines) or maybe a Gamay (Beaujolais wines).
If you go to any decent wine store, they should be able to help you. Be sure to have them restrict it to max 15€ per bottle.

>>21489698
Spanish Tempranillo (Spanish wine generally really) and even reds from the Pays d‘Oc region of France often have a lot of spicy notes that I personally hate and that with its full body strong character really wouldn’t pair well with lighter flavors like in OP, in my opinion.

>>21489482 (OP)
i'd go with a pretty louder richer fuller dry white
>new zealand sauvignon blanc
>austrian gruner veltliner
>oregon pinot gris
>alsatian riesling
>spanish albarino
>like literally any italian dry white
or a lighter style red
>spatburgunder
>spanish garnacha
>beaujolais cru gamay
>chinon cab franc
>like literally any sicilian or northern italian red wine
or if all else fails just buy champagne

>>21489482 (OP)
Is this the thread?

>>21489984
help willamette valley anon >>21486740

>>21489482 (OP)
Drink what you like with food that you like. All this "wine pairing" bullshit is 100 years old or less, and we've been drinking wine for thousands of years.

>>21489986
I don't know enough about specific producers from that AVA. But I like some of the PNs.

>>21489482 (OP)
Id say anons are right frinkbwhat you want. I myself prefer some form of white with chicken and fish meals. You cant really go wrong, and if you drink enough youll get drunk and not give a fuck if your food turned out to be shite

>>21489482 (OP)
Try Champagne, a blanc de blancs brut. Doesn’t have to be one of the expensive ones, but Vranken Diamant or Ruinart are my recommendation.

Thank you guys I got a new zealand sauvignon blanc
The food turned out really good and the wine paired nicely. First white I've really truly enjoyed, I'm usually a red guy but trying to expand my horizons

$5 wine
$5 vodka
they go well together trust me dude

>>21492484
I came of age drinking my dad's $3 a bottle gallo family red blend and arguing with him about stupid bullshit
Was fun I wish I could go back but time is a bullet train and it waits for no one

>>21489482 (OP)
Cognac

Gruner Veltliner is the only thing that will compliment all of those foods without overpowering them
You could also look for good dry Riesling, but you're probably gonna have a hard time unless you have a small local wine store near you

>>21492828
Whats the logic behind this one?

>>21493377
he meant fino sherry

If you haven’t drank 500+ bottles you likely don’t have a palette to distinguish the complex flavors of a good wine. Just get a $15 bottle and be done with it.

Ignore all recommendations. You only need this.

>>21493419
>Demidulce
wtf

>>21493418
Why would you need one of these to distinguish wine?

>>21493420
Yes?

Aving Barbaresco tnight

thinking casablanca valley sauvignon blanc

>>21493861
bloody bitch bastard

>>21489482 (OP)
spoiled grape juice doesn't taste well with anything if we're being honest

>>21494079
mormons out

>>21494035
you've got something slightly nicer

>>21494085
no i like barbaresco, that 2021 barbaresco vintage is the best out of italy since like '15 or '16 brunello. post your bottle :)

>>21494096
A 2019 :)

>>21494111
ooooooh good vintage, 19 is also good , traditionalist producer too, should be delicious by now with enough air.

>>21494082
i'm drunk on box wine right now. i'm just being real. i enjoy wine because it's the quickest way to get drunk for the best taste/lowest calories but it doesn't go well with food

>>21494119
sounds like a skill issue

>>21494114
its delicious

>>21494135
hopefully it's screaming roses and violets for you

>>21494141
rose, cherries and leather
acidity slappin

>>21494151
stop, i'm getting hardd

>>21489482 (OP)
I would pair a pint of Tangueray with it

Nero D'Avola tonight.

>>21494312
Very based

>>21494119
wine is very high in calories

>>21494317
that's the anti-oxidants talking.

>>21494317
it's really not relative most alcoholic drinks.

>>21494312
good NdA is like napa and rhone had a baby

>>21489482 (OP)
Wine works best with coursed meals, not overly large Asian-fusion dishes with too many elements.

okay but what wine gets girls (the female and male kind) the horniest?

>>21489856
This anon gets it, I'm going to Greece next month, I can't wait.

cremant de alsace, now!

>>21494951
Barefoot.
It's absolute piss but sluts love it for some reason.

>>21495685
Yeah agreed, not sure why they like barefoot so much but they do.

For those in the UK it may be the next evolutionary step of the Lambrini girl.

>he fell for the Napa Valley fruit bomb cab meme
Stop. Buying. Cali. Reds.

i'm thinking santa barbara syrah kinda night

>>21489482 (OP)
additive free tequila
i suggest lalo or el tesoro

>>21495949
Yum

Margaret River Cab

>>21489989
And the wine you drank generally was made near where you lived and you drank it with foods that paired well with it by default.

>>21489482 (OP)
>wine pairing

This is just flowery language to run cover for alcoholism The reality alcohol never "pairs" well with food, it detracts for the taste in a 100% of cases

monday is dolcetto day

>>21494585
>overly large Asian-fusion dishes with too many elements.
What would you toss out? I figured 1 carb, 1 protein, 1 vegetable seemed pretty balanced
But I'm no chef I'm just an unemployed college dropout who moved halfway across the country to live with his gf and her art school friends

>>21494951
Don't reds increase bloodflow and affect libido? Or is that nonsense
>the female and male kind
Bi king

>>21498145
>This is just flowery language to run cover for alcoholism
Yeah I think that could apply to most things I do

>open a nice bottle should be at it's peak
>it's totally maderized

>>21498401
yes

>>21498401
Some varietals are much better than others, I think Sagrantino has like twice as many oxidants as your average red-skinned varietal.

Just because this is the only wine thread I can find I need to express something.

I dont drink a lot of wine, im starting to get into it, I drink mostly cabs, but ive tried some different varieties of wine at this point but theyre almost all red. I like to drink them when I cook a steak maybe 2, max 3 times a week.

When I buy a bottle, Im trying to do two things:
1. Enjoy getting a buzz while trying to experience nice depths of flavor that pair with my meat.
2. NOT get hungover!

There is a wine called “Liberty School”. It is a Paso Robles Cabernet Sauvignon. I bought a bottle maybe a month ago from Ralphs vintage 2022. I uncork it, drink it, it has a nice strong flavor, I rank it highly, maybe 8.5/10. Strong oak or whatever. I think I drank 3/4 of the bottle the first day, I dont recall any hangover.

I go back this week, buy a bottle and my steak and go home. Im running the foil cutter over the top of the bottle repeatedly but it wont budge, what the hell? So I torque the foil and off it comes, screwing off. I look inside and to my horror I see darkness. “Oh fuck the cork is in the bottle how did this happen?” Then I realized - they changed this shit to a screw top!

“Okay dont be judgmental, its the same wine right? ChatGPT says screw tops can help preserve the wine or something!” I pour a glass and it tastes off. Maybe my wine glass was dirty or had soap residues? So I try drinking another glass but its tougher than I remember, like the same flavor but more bitter and metallic-ish. After a couple hours I feel a headache come on - fuck!

Woke up the next morning hungover as fuck. Had go go to work and fight through it and didnt vomit, but make no mistake Liberty School is FUCKED in the screw top bottle. It is undrinkable. I poured the second half down the sink and went and got something else FAR better for the same price.

Tl;dr fuck Liberty School screw cap variety, it is NOT the same wine anymore!

>>21498971
Im doing some research about cork taint and finding out how some manufacturers are shifting over to screw caps to avoid it, but theres a learning curve to it and Liberty School has apparently not figured it out yet. Maybe in a few years they will figure it out. Until then ill pass on the hangovers, thanks.

>>21498971
corks are permeable to air, so that '22 vintage has had 3 years of allowing tiny amounts of air to interact with the wine. when a bottle is sealed under screwcap, the only air the wine reacts with is the air in the bottle at the time of sealing, so if you're buying a big red cab with lots of oak treatment, it needs air to react with and settle down to become drinkable. Next time you get a bottle of red that tastes way too tight or astringent or harsh or whatever, decant it into a larger (ideally glass) vessel and swirl it around and wait for it to react with the air and become a little more palatable--this can take hours, especially the bigger wines like cali cabs that see a lot of oak sometimes aren't drinkable until the second day after opening them--or just take off the screwcap and leave it on your counter or in your fridge to breathe for at least an hour or until it tastes ready.

>>21498399
I would reduce the pilaf, omit the cheese, and half the vegetables. Think about what flavour profile you're trying to achieve and laser-focus on that, which means fewer ingredients. This dish is Indian-Chinese-Western; I can't suggest a wine beyond it being a white because there's just so much going on here.

>>21499055
I did let it sit for a while in the bottle, maybe 30 minutes, then further in the the glass, maybe 30 minutes while im making food, as it sits I swirl it a bit to aerate it, but thats no excuse for the hangover it gave me. Im telling you, having drank the two vintages only a few weeks apart the distance in hangover was insane. Are you telling me that as the wine breathes I will become less hungover? Do wines bottled with corks make you less hungover? I just feel like something went wrong with this particular batch and maybe that was to be expected?

>>21499138
i think it will taste less harsh and that less harsh, less austere wine is less likely to make you feel hungover. if you're letting it breathe over night and you're coming back and it still tastes like over extracted dense shit then it's probably just a poorly made wine. there are wines i taste on release that gave me headache and five years later become much more drinkable after they've been decanted for 4 hours.

>>21489986
There are many many choices here and the best bang for your buck is a winery that buys grapes but doesn't own the vineyard. The trade off is they usually make wine other than Pinot Noir which is great unless you want to do a WV Pinot only tasting trip. In which case, the best Pinot places will make only Pinot and own their vineyard but it can be quite expensive ($70-150 per bottle). Those places often make chardonnay also which is supposed to be good. I'm not well versed in white wines. People also make Gewuerztraminer here.
My fav AVAs are chahelem mtns, dundee hills, carlton area. Carlton is a neat tiny wine/farm town with good wineries.
In rough order of cheaper to expensive I like these wineries:
>Barking Frog (mostly WA grapes though and high abv. Winemaker is gruff and contrarian but wines are really good value)
>Natalies Estate (has OR and WA grapes)
Dobbes (good variety of PN AVAs and they also have southern oregon grapes for a break from pinot noir)
>Raptor Ridge
>Eyrie (probably a must since they kind of started the OR wine scene)
>Ken Wright
>Archery Summit (bonus cool cave)
>Alloro

>>21499138
Cheap Cali wine has many many additives which is probably why you got the hangover. Cali is the king of synthetic wine unless you pay a lot for properly made stuff. Try a cheap Italian wine and see if you get the same hangover.

>>21493418
yes and its been proven (((experts))) dont know what the fuck theyre talking about it either. its all a scam, thanks for buying into it gullible retard.

good wine shouldn't give you a hangover

>>21493418
That's a gross exaggeration. after about 50 legit entry level wines you're ready to buy something over $30

>>21489482 (OP)
Portugeuse vinho blanco. Light, not unduly dry or tannic, crisp, refreshing. Perfect for hot weather, lemon chikkin & fish.

>>21500904
This but xtakolina

Aving Burg t'day

>>21489482 (OP)
Get a Cab Franc heavy Bordeaux if you want to play up the savory notes of chicken and the vegetables. It is Summer however, and I imagine it's hot where you are. A Sancere would be a good choice if you're eating in the midday, outside.

$7 snipe at TJ

$9 snipe, fabulous QPR

>>21501543
>>21503283
Based

when did sicilian wine get so damn expensive? $60 for frappato? fuck off

is this shit any good?

Grab whatever boxed wine is on sale

I'm more of a half bottle guy. 375mL is the right amount if I'm treating myself or plan on opening multiple different wines in the same night with someone special :)

2017 Medoc tonight, 65% Merlot, 30% Cab Sauv, rest is Cab Franc and Petit Verdot.

CdR tonight

>>21489591
Based.
After the first glass it doesn't matter at all how expensive it is or even the type.

>>21505282
That's possible?

>>21506167
apparently so

>>21505688
Not true btw

Barbera d’Asti tonight

>>21501543
>>21503283
How do I pick wine without doing homework research like a nerd bitch? How do I know the low price isn't indicative of a poor product? I'm tired of knowing I'm just picking based on cheap+cool label

>>21507660
>How do I know the low price isn't indicative of a poor product?
for better or worse, cheap wines will inherently be mass produced, from an inferior grape or region, or on clearance due to faults with taste, balance, or winemaking
there are exceptions to every rule, but this is the overwhelming trend
the best qpr whites and reds are now found in australia, other countries you're rolling the dice that it's swill
no matter what, I would try to spend at least 15 dollars on a bottle

>>21507630
GOAT

>>21507660
>How do I pick wine without doing homework research like a nerd bitch?
ask the vintner. don't tell them your life story but say you're illiterate in wine labels and need help picking a wine. it's their job to know about their bottle selection and make suggestions but you're responsible for sharing any specific preferences or plans regarding the wine in question. if you're not familiar (or confident) in their recommendations you should ask them why they suggested the bottles they did.
>How do I know the low price isn't indicative of a poor product?
ask if there's a producer that makes a well-made second label or entry level wine that's clean and easy to drink. especially if it's your first time tasting most these wines, at this stage you're just trying to find a varietal or appellation that stands out to you from the rest. at some point you'll have to at least recognize nerd shit on a label if you want to avoid drinking shit from the cheapest wine aisle.

>>21507630
Finally, someone posted a good wine.

Man I miss drinking wine where it’s made, especially in Europe.
If any anons are curious about visiting wine regions in Spain ask away. Pic related is the old village of Falset at the mouth of the DOQ Priorat looking onto the hills that merge into the Serra de Montsant. Every wine I had here was super delicious. Hell even Mas d’En Gil, a massive producer, does a €12 biodynamic Garnacha that blows $100 Napa plonk out of the water.
>>21503633
Old school name in Barossa. Never had their Semillon but I’d reckon it’s quite good.

>>21508289
>Pic
Looks comfy

>>21508308
It is very comfy. Surprisingly very bustling for a village of less than 2000 people. Lots of young families around in the village square at restaurants so I walked near the outskirts and it was quiet and serene.
Also pet a few local cats. One of them brought me a dead mouse as thanks for the ear scratches.

>>21508289
Napa sucks ass

>>21505234
Still on it and deliciously enjoying

Needed something savoury for my NY Strip. This will do well.

>>21509022
what a label, love it

>>21509022
is that a kangaroo with a bindle?

>>21509058
Yeah. It’s a homage to their old winemaker, who is an Aussie.

Lambrusco di Sorbara, lock in.

>>21509321
Holy based

>>21489482 (OP)
A Leroy Musigny Grand Cru, Cote de Nuits, France, would pair nicely.

>>21509985
nigga i don't have that kinda money

Total Wine's CEO just quit. Maybe they'll be better now.

>>21509985
You forgot to add Burgundy and the vintage you fucking pleb.

>>21510349
it's implied in the appellation, but vintage would be nice.

>>21510365
>Cote de Nuits, France
That's already implied too

>>21510367
aha true

>>21506999
It's 100% true. I've tested it extensively by switching wine mid meal on people. The first glass I'd give them before dinner was expensive, everything after was from a 20 dollar bottle.

Not only did they never notice but they complemented the wine MORE after the switch.

Wincucks are fucking delusional.

Picked up a few things today. Opened the VN from Partida Creus and it was perfect for the summer heat. Definitely wanna try their Sumoll at some point to see if the reds are as good as their whites.

>>21509321
this was much better day 2

>>21510939
how is montsat?

>>21511159
Haven’t opened it yet but it’s supposed to be a collab with Rene Barbier’s son and Venus La Universal using 30-80yr old bush vine Garnacha aged entirely in concrete eggs, so thinking it’s more pure and lean Garnacha. Notes on CellarTracker call it ‘pizza wine’ which is exactly what I was looking for.

Macon Village tonight

>>21493377
The logic is a glass of fine cognac goes better with dinner than any wine and also it is made from wine.

What’s with this “wine doesn’t go with food” lie being spread around?

>>21510333
What does this mean for the industryv

>>21511159
>>21511741
Okay just opened it. Lots of cherry menthols, blood orange peel and brown butter, oddly enough. Super fresh although a bit grainier tannin than I expected from a Garnacha. I can definitely see this working well with proper Pizza Napolitano with fresh bufala mozzarella but I think I’d prefer this with a veal parm.

Rioja Blanco

>>21513071
Wouldn't it be "blanca"?

>>21510349
if you need to be told where musigny is, you should probably not be acting snobby, not that I encourage that kind of behavior but come on, know your limits

always remember to clos de tart, else de tart get stale

>>21513080
I was making the point it was irrelevant to add all the shit after grand cru.

>>21513077
I guess so

>>21512735
interesting, i've been neglecting spanish garnacha long enough, is it closer to cannonau?

$11 snipe from Murcia. 50% Mourvedre, 25% Syrah, 25% Merlot. Unoaked Spanish stuff is stupid QPR actually makes me wonder why anyone outside Priorat oaks their juice at all.

>>21513327
It’s closer to Tuscan Alicante Nero profile i find than it does to Cannonau. Less spice, more grainy tannin. Although Sindicat is an unusual example given its grown at altitudes more typical for Carignan not for Garnacha. Priorat villages like Bellmunt and Gratallops have more juicy and big bold fruit examples more akin to Rhône Valley Grenache and can be in different styles. I’d say Garnacha from Baix Penedes is closer to Cannonau, especially producers like Cosmic Vinyaters although I’d suggest trying a Sumoll as it’s a bit spicier for Sardinia wine fans.

>>21497483
>because 2 things are from the same place means they go well together
kek

>>21514309
>because 2 things are from the same place means they go well together
certo che si

>>21497483
the wine i drink is made near where i live and i drink it with foods that are made near where i live and they indeed pair well with it by default.
ngl feelsgoodman

>>21489482 (OP)
$2.18 for 1 liter.
Let me guess. You want fancy wine?

>>21514318
Very pseudo intellectual take, and response. Have fun with your midwit lifestyle

>>21514336
I wonder how many people have murdered someone while drunk on that wine

>>21514389
what is it about complementary goods coming from the same place of origin that you can't wrap your head around?

>>21514417
Yes, often times things from the same place will be complementary.
But to say that "by default" they will pair together, is dumb.
And to assume that because for thousands of years wine and food was produced in the same region means that all of it will pair together, is also fucking dumb.
Ice cream made in Wisconsin wouldn't pair well with sharp cheddar made in Wisconsin. This breaks your "by default" argument and proves my original reply to you.
Your next post will move the goalposts, midwit.

>>21514447
>the exception is the rule
I didn't realize ice cream was the default pairing for sharp cheddar in America, I apologize.

>>21514571
Not an exception, just a glaring example

>>21514580
Is it? How many places with centuries of wine history don't have a single local default food pairing?

Tonight Cru Beaujo getrinken

I've been avoiding meinklang for years now because the shameless hipster marketing grinds my gears but I was bored and got a bottle of this and honestly it's better than I 'spected, somewhat mogs the "field recordings" random pale grape fizzy wine I got a few months ago which is obviously its direct competitor

>>21515071
Never seen this.
But I'm not to familiar with natties

>>21516981
The day I noticed it getting shilled everywhere was the day I realized natty wine had jumped the shark. Natty critter wine. Can you imagine.

But honestly it ain't bad, I guess Big Wine has refined their high technology to a point where they can simulate "character" without making it taste like 3% Juice Drink from elementary school, I'll probably buy this again for drinking alone (the only way to drink).

>>21517036
Based enjoyer.
I too will drink alone.

sekt

>>21517880
I had very high hopes for sekt because I adore riesling but it seems the QPR is not there, at least where I am. Like it's on the same tier as shampaign in that you have to fork out real money to get something good. There is cheaper stuff but it's not worth the liver damage

I'll be visiting nomiland soon though, maybe it's different there

>>21498145
>This is just flowery language to run cover for alcoholism
Agreed it's about 99% bullshit. Water pairs well with food. White people think coffee, orange juice and soda pair well with food while brown and yellow people think tea and fermented milk pair well with food. Why alcohol per se? Alcohol pairs with food like whiskey and cigars pair with Clint Eastwood: it's just an image, not a real sensory experience.

That said: obviously digestion can benefit from acid and when looking for a light fresh breezy diner experience one obvious doesn't consume some dark old robust wine. There's no rocket science of fancy grapes needed that's just cringe pretentiousness.

>>21518123
i prefer the elbling sekt from upper mosel, never been the biggest fan of riesling bubbles myself either

drinking some monferrato DOC nebbiolo tonight. it's not a super seekrit cheat code for getting fine nebby for the price of dolcetto, but if you're broke and want something with a little more grip, it's nice to have options

Dindin tonight, I like this wine - do recommend

going to paso robles next weekend, anything specific i should check out?

>>21519781
I haven't done wine tourism there but since no one else responded, surely you have to go to turley? ha ha get it? surlely turley?

also I'd be curious about the sawyer/lindquist stuff but I have no idea what their deal is. I think they're a bit outside paso robles, technically, but it's pretty much the same region right?

>>21520844
i didn't know turley had a paso robles vineyard. sawyer/lindquist is about an hour south, that's closer to santa barbara

>>21519143
I never see nebbiolos for the cheap.

>>21512735
>Pizza Napolitano
>drinking wine with pizza
holy anon are you nuts or what ? do you also break spaghetti ?

>>21521036
nta but what would you drink with pizza? I've never not drank wine with pizza. is there a rule in italy about that, like how they will sperg at you if you drink coffee with your food?

>>21521475
Aglianico

>>21521475
dolcetto

>>21521475
montepulciano

Zoinks

>>21521475
Riesling Kabinett

>>21519781
planning on doing
>Clos Selene
>Tablas Creek
>Clesi
>Justin

>>21519781
>>21523379
I'd say Tablas Creek is worth it, Clesi also sounds unique from varietal usage. Personally wouldn't bother with Justin as their wines are becoming more mid. I would personally say to look into:
AmByth
Field Recordings
Epoch
Linne Calodo

>>21523396
We're doing Justin since they're like the only place serving lunch on Mondays around the are we're hiking. Field Recordings is good, I've had their rhone white blend, pretty sure I still have their Zinfandel in my cellar.
>AmByth
>Epoch
>Linne Calodo
will check these out too, grazie

>>21523415
Prego anon!

>>21523396
>Justin as their wines are becoming more mid
Let’s test this theory

>>21523941
Its a bit heavy, wish it would’ve been 100% unoaked.

Opening a nice '15 Brunello tonight