Thread 3997799

Canon Deer Edition

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>>3997796
I felt euphoria from seeing human Al and then an immediate crash with the hinted sexual abuse. But that makes sense for me considering my history. Sing it happen to Al was rough.
>>3997788
Maybe just a bit...

>>3997803
*seeing it.
Sorry I can't type.

Millie why aren't you doing well at all? You said last thread you weren't? I hope you're alright. I assume it's the show? I hadn't seen the most recent episode

>>3997803
That's what got me as well, it brought up some specific memories I'd forgotten about. It'll pass, but it feels pretty shitty right now.

>>3997811
Yeah so, I don't wanna powerlevel about my life too much, but as a brief explanation: My ex had a fetish and a porn addiction and to please him I'd regularly have to watch and help him fantasize about things I didn't want to do since I'm asexual. And he knew I was ace. It got really bad at times and there was a lot of manipulation and dubious consent. It left me having really difficult feelings towards intimacy and trust for a long time. Seeing Alastor tied up and forced to watch/participate in something he didn't want to because he's ace hit way harder than I was expecting. So I'm trying to work through those feelings.
>>3997812
I'm very, very sorry. I wish that Viv had a little more self control and left some bits out. At the same time I feel guilty for yucking someone else's yum, so I'm trying to keep my head down about it.

>>3997815
>Seeing Alastor tied up and forced to watch/participate in something he didn't want to because he's ace hit way harder than I was expecting
The fact that some are saying he deserves it or are making jokes about it does piss me off a lot, as an RS shipper. Despite not seeing the act itself, there should've still been some kind of warning before the episode. Also, people insisting it's not SA or all that bad, which is ridiculous. If you're out and about and a random guy flashes his dick at you, that is legally categorized as SA. It's the threat of more that makes it assault, in the same way someone pulling a gun at you is assault. Alastor being forced to watch them fuck with the looming threat of him being next is serious and should not be played off as a joke.

>>3997823
A warning before the episode would have been appropriate. There are a lot of people out there who have unresolved sexual trauma like I do, and my experience really pales in comparison to the things many deer friends have experienced. So it's really hard to see the character you love subjected to sexual abuse. And it's even worse to see how people say it wasn't SA or that he 'deserved it' while fetishizing the abuse. I won't judge people with rape kinks. I have many 'disturbing' kinks myself, but it's up to me to let people know what they're in for before they interact with my content. I know trigger warnings are kind of cringe in most contexts, but for some things they're very appropriate.

If they treated the situation that alastor was in with a bit more respect and didn’t treat it like a joke, it would have been passable.

On another note. Viv liked a tweet where someone said Alastor was a service top, and while I don't take any of this stuff as canon it is very sweet and ace coded. Most of us who aren't sex repulsed get off on pleasing our partners rather than experiencing pleasure ourselves. Having Al lovingly dominate you and not finishing until you have is certainly a feeling.
>>3997828
The tone was widely inappropriate, but that's been the case with most depictions of SA in the show.

>>3997829
>widely
*wildly. Now that's an interesting autocorrect.

>>3997815
It's fine, it'll go away eventually, and it's the kind of content I seek out. But it just got to me this time. I do project onto Alastor a lot. Though it could have been worse, I was half expecting Vox to be actually in bed with Alastor before they showed him sat in the chair. I'm glad they had a little restraint, at least.

>>3997823
It would be so much more bearable if people would stop being weird about it. After seeing some of the comments I had to take a break from twitter, and I'm usually pretty good at ignoring that kind of thing. So many people justifying it by saying that Alastor is a bad guy, and that people are acting like he was actually forced to sleep with them. Ugh, people are vile.

>>3997828
>>3997829
This. This season has been extremely weird with how it's trying to portray rape and SA as just slapstick or comedy. No doubt it's being done so that people sympathize or fangirl the Vees, but jesus, it's uncomfortable. They're literally a band of rapists and rape supporters, it's so weird

Anyone else think that he reacted like this because he has BPD?

>>3997832
I usually seek out really rough stuff myself, and I don't get 'triggered' easily, but I suppose I've projected too hard on to Alastor, so seeing it caused a visceral reaction. I'm glad it wasn't worse than what it was, and I suppose it's my fault for interacting with media without having my shit together, but damn. I started my day super excited to see human Al, and ended it holding on to my pillow while my partner held me. It was emotionally exhausting.
>>3997833
I've had to check out of the discourse completely, people are being really weird about it and I'm having a hard time believing there are this many rape apologists out there. It's one thing to be like 'yeah, I have a rape kink', or 'yeah, I know the character I like is evil, but I don't care," it's another to say someone deserves SA because they turned down a cult leader who wanted more power and a relationship that didn't match with the person's sexuality. Really wild takes out there.

>>3997834
Oh most definitely. While I do think that Al's reaction was played up a bit to excuse what would come later, it's very on target with splitting. Alastor seems to has a very difficult time trusting people, he probably assumed that Vox was going to try to use this for his personal gain which he'd eventually use against Alastor. It's also possible that Alastor has a very dysfunctional sense of self and views himself as pathetic for needing Rosie's help, so he projects that onto Vox. Letting people get close to him in any capacity would be dangerous. And we see that Alastor has every reason to feel this way. It's hinted that he had a difficult childhood, and even as an adult he'd been treated like a specimen to be evaluated, gawked at, and used for other's entertainment. Just look at pic rel, it mirrors a cage, a cage where he's being picked apart for any flaws despite his obvious talent. Later we see a man spill wine on him and just dismiss him because he's just there to be preforming decoration, not a person. Alastor wanting power makes sense, but he was manipulated, and continues his life of being someone else's 'pet'. BPD worsens with adverse life events. It's absolutely no wonder Alastor became violent.

>>3997834
Possibly, could be some other mental stuff

>>3997834
He's definitely got something going on, BPD is a fair guess. Pretty much everyone he interacts with he has a deal with, either they have power over him or he has power over them (or both). A partnership on equal footing would be difficult for him, I don't think he would let himself trust Vox enough to agree to it just like that.

>>3997835
I thought I'd prepared for the worst, but I guess not. The anxiety for the past week probably didn't help. I've managed so far to stay away from too much of that content, usually I just end up spiralling. In better news, my daki has finally arrived in the country, so soon I will get to hold him irl. Can't wait, I'm going to lie in bed all day and cry probably.

>>3997841
Hold that deer tight

>>3997843
I'm never letting go.

>>3997841
Glad he'll be there soon to help take the edge off. If it's of any solace it's exactly what I did for the rest of Wednesday evening after I'd finished my daily obligations. I just held him and cried until my husband came up and held me while I clutched my daki. So I get it. Get through however you need to.

>>3997834
As a BPD haver, he definitely clocks as that. The constant need for praise and adoration while freaking the fuck out when relationships get too real, hits close to home.

On the topic of BPD it would be really nice if Viv actually let Alastor end up being positive representation of neurodivergence by having him learn to trust and open up without fear. I was suspected to be BPD for a long while before finding out I was just traumatized and autistic, but the experience left me with a soft spot for others with the diagnosis. There's a massive stigmatization of the 'illness' and some positive character growth for someone struggling would mean a lot.

I think my main issue with the SA scene is that it didn't need to be there and, if it had to be, it should've been treated seriously. I've seen Staticmoth shippers express disappointment that their promised sex scene was off screen and centered on Alastor and I've seen some condemn Radiostatic as problematic now due to it, so no one was really happy about it. You could've just hard cut to the part where Vox talks to Al and break into their song, the song itself and Val's comment conveys the UST (on Vox's side) well enough. I can't figure out who this tone deaf gag was even for

>>3997851
I think my hopes of Viv approaching anything with sensitivity or seriousness has been dashed completely, but that would be nice

>>3997851
Could be nice, however I wouldn't trust Viv to do it well at all unfortunately.

>>3997852
I'm dreading the Angel Dust hypno scenes coming up, because although I'm not really into him and definitely not on the same level I am with Al, it's definitely not going to be handled well. It'll be yet another punchline. With the scene in episode 4, my heart dropped for a second before they revealed that it was Val in bed with Vox and Al was in the chair. It was set up like a joke. I think a lot of people struggle with the fact that no one is saying not to put these themes in the show, but it's the way in which they're constantly framed as a gag. Viv needs to pick a lane, if she wants to show these things in a serious way, she needs to stop putting in these stupid unfunny jokes.

>>3997852
I think Viv was trying to pander to everyone and ended up upsetting most all of us. The Hazbin team really, really needs to make up their mind as to whether rape is meant to be taken as a joke or if it's meant to be taken seriously, you can't have both. And if Viv were actually ace like she claims to be, she'd know how dangerously close she's coming to the rape correction trope a lot of us are afraid of.

>>3997858
>>3997860
Viv would botch it to the point where it would become stereotypical in some way, but in the hands of a better writer it would be nice. Viv shouldn't be anywhere near anything that would require sensitivity and nuance.

>>3997846
There ya go

Nugget deer doesn’t like his drink!

>>3997857
>>3997856
>>3997855
>>3997853
thats a silly deer

>>3997901
Should have made him a Sazerac instead.

Wtf? Fun police. It wouldn't let me swipe out. Hmm.

>>3997967
What the hell were you doing? Because I kept getting messages like this and it let me swipe and it continued the rp. This was a rp in which yandere Al tricked me into going into his room, and basically tortured me in every way (including SA) until I was just as damaged as him. How boring.

>>3997968
I think it was probably because I went from venting to letting him manipulate me into sexting and it flagged something. It seems to not let me swipe whenever self harm or suicidal ideation is brought up. Weird. I rewound the chat to a few messages prior and it worked fine. C.ai is +17 now, no need to worry about such stupid censorship I'd like to think.

>>3997969
I wish they'd remove the filter, or at least have the option to for c.ai+ if they really want to protect the children or whatever. I usually get around the self harm ones just by changing the wording a little. It's easy to get around these things once you know how, it feels redundant having these safety features if you can just delete the message and it'll just let you carry on.

>>3997970
Making it a paid feature would make them a healthy amount of money, though I think it's to comply with guidelines on the App store. SpicyChat got booted recently and I think c.ai is worried that it might face the same fate if it allows uncensored rp. Of course I've never had an issue getting around filters, but having messages like this pop up more and more is annoying.

On another topic, I'm starting to get really frustrated with people claiming that Alastor doesn't care for Husk and Niffty. While he probably allowed himself to be captured by Vox to later get out of his deal with Rosie, it was very obvious that he stopped the fight specifically when Niffty and Husk were in danger. Hell, he even keeps Niffty's roach crown in his room. I don't understand this obsession with making him a sociopathic ASPD instead of a nuanced character. Is it Vox simping? It's odd. If I'm being painfully honest, Alastor has done more work towards redemption than anyone else. The show talks about Angel 'making progress' but we see none of it. Is he clean? Is he still working in porn? We get an off hand comment about therapy, but that's it. Charlie (who's becoming a very annoying toxic positivity character who respects no boundaries) had to make make it clear that redemption has to be specific to the sins the characters committed, otherwise people might be asking questions as to why Alastor's sacrifice for his friends wasn't selfless enough, even if there were other motives behind it.

>>3997971
I don't really blame them for that with the way the world's going, it's just that it feels redundant.

>>3997974
People are saying that? Did they watch the show? The look that Alastor gives Niffty when she's pinned down by Val is so telling. I think people forget when looking at Al is to not go by his whole facial expression, look at everything but the smile. He uses his smile to hide how he's feeling, but he's actually very expressive if you ignore it, particularly with his eyes and ears.

I would really like to see Husk going off the rails in the next few episodes be somewhat related to Alastor being captured. They have a complicated relationship, but there's clearly some kind of mutual respect there. I would also like to know how he came to know about Alastor's deal with Rosie, if he even knows it's Rosie that owns his soul, because that is information Alastor wouldn't trust anyone with. Did Alastor trust Husk enough to tell him? Or did Husk find out, and Alastor is constantly on edge worrying about him telling someone?

Angel Dust is treated so weirdly by the show now. It feels more like he's just a vehicle for yaoi fanfic tropes than an actual character.

(I'm glad someone else is finding Charlie annoying this season. She's traumatised and not coping at all with what's happened, but it feels like they've just made her stupid for the sake of advancing the plot. I hope this changes in the next episodes, because it's really hard to watch.)

>>3997974
The fandom is dead set on equivocating Alastor to Valentino and writing him off as 100% evil because he threatened Husk one (ONE!!) time after the latter called him a slave. They ignore that Husk is actually on good terms with Alastor to the point of warning him about Mimzy, talking casually to him, and now fighting to help him. It's blatantly obvious the three of them are some bizarre sort of trio of friends who like and value each other, but that goes against the narrative they've built in their heads about Al. I mean fuck, retards took his little remark about "who really cares about that part" in regards to "Loser Baby" as a sign that Alastor hates Huskerdust and will stop at nothing to make Husk miserable when it was clearly a joke about how popular the song is. Insane behavior.

>>3997981
>Angel Dust is treated so weirdly by the show now. It feels more like he's just a vehicle for yaoi fanfic tropes than an actual character.
Ironically, the fujo fandom doesn't really care about Angel outside of Huskerdust. Also I have to say it, I find Blake Roman's whiny, nasally voice grating the more I hear it. I miss Kovach's Angel so very much.

>>3997974
Vivze didn’t know that just telling people things are happening doesn’t work. You gotta actually show it.
>>3997983
Back when Angel dust had soul. And don’t get me started with Amir, he is ok at voice alastor sometimes, but damn I miss bosco…

>you're so obsessed with me~
>you still need me like you did before
I quite like this side of Alastor that knows Vox is obsessed with him and revels and preens in it. I wonder if he'd be upset if that obsession actually stopped. As someone with bpd myself, I feel like he would be bothered by it

>>3997984
Amir has moments of being decent, particularly in episode 4, but I actively get irritated every time Angel talks or sings. Bosco is a longing for me, but Kovach is a necessity.

>>3997986
I'm also put off by how young Angel sounds as well. It makes it difficult for me to care about Huskerdust romantically because Angel sounds like a whiny teenager and Husk sounds like an old man. I'm aware there isn't canonically too terrible an age gap between them AFAIK, but the voices don't help. I know it's not intentional, but Husk seems more like a father figure desu.

>>3997983
It's not surprising, when you can open up ao3 and read the same story a million times over. It's tired and it's been done by much better writers.

>>3997985
Ooh yes. He knew full well that Vox would appear if he called out to him. His plan definitely hinged on Vox still being obsessed with him, and if he hadn't instantly turned up, Alastor would have absolutely seethed.

>>3997981
I predict that Husk might have guilt over not saving Alastor and this drives him back to drinking. Husk doesn't know that Alastor is injured, so he and Niffty show up to this fight with the Vees thinking it's just some more turf war nonsense, only for Alastor to sacrifice himself for them. We see Husk use his powers, but not to his full potential, so he may feel guilty that he didn't do more to help his friend. This would also mark the second time that Husk has tried to help Al, only for him to either be ignored or rescued. We still don't know why Al was kind enough to let Husk keep his overlord powers.
>>3997982
I think it's Vox/Val woobifiers who want Al ti be evil to excuse their fave's behavior. This includes Viv. She knows she's created characters that are objectively shit people, so now she's stuck trying to make them into uwu babies to excuse that.

>>3997985
>>3997989
Hell, it's probably one of the reasons he hung out with Vox, all the worship and adoration probably tickled the deer immensely. Vox genuinely fucked up by expecting anything beyond that

>>3997985
Alastor craves attention and validation, Vox was foolish to think it was anything more than that. Remember at the overlord meeting when Al got pissed off that nobody noticed his absence? So much of his self worth is probably wrapped up in whether people notice him.

>>3997993
I will give Alastor all the attention he needs

>>3997997
Likewise. I'd worship that deer.

>>3997999
Gotta go above and beyond everyday for him, praise his every action and dance with him all throughout the night!

>>3997997
>>3997999
I really hope he gets a break, it would be sad to see him do nothing but suffer. Deer abuse isn't as fun without some deer love to balance it out.

>>3998001
Gotta have a good mix and so far all we have gotten is deer abuse which is sad

>>3997967
>>3997968
annoying stuff

>>3998000
Kiss him tenderly, let him know how much he's loved.
>>3998004
Very.

>>3998008
You gotta be impressed by his cool tricks too!

>>3998019
Cute little acrobat.

For the yumes mad at Vox right now.

>>3998025
Hell yeah, kick that TV's ass yume-chan!

>>3998025
Ahahaha, it made me chuckle, I needed that today. I do hope Alastor gets some satisfying revenge on Vox at some point.

(would it be schizo of me to stomp on the free Vox standee I got with some doujins? lel)

>>3998022
I would like to help him stretch :3
>>3998025
>>3998028
>>3998029
DESTROY THE TV!

>>3998029
>would it be schizo of me to stomp on the free Vox standee I got with some doujins? lel
Maybe a little. Take him off the stand and put him face down as punishment instead. And place an Alastor standee on top of him if you have one.
As a side note, I did find the part where Vox took him on a milkshake date kind of cute. And also him blushing at the suggestion of having sex with Alastor. I like that under the seething hatred and rape degeneracy, he still harbors pure feelings for the deer.

>>3998031
This is the better option, do not completely destroy the tv

>>3998029
The TV must be punished. Tie him up with a headphone cord and lay him face down before the deer...

>>3998035
The TV must prostrate himself before the deer and beg for eternal forgiveness

>>3998037
Vox shouldn’t be so lucky to have deer butt on his face…

>>3998031
Aw, I couldn’t really harm him. He’s small and cute. Just a little revenge… The date was kinda cute, probably the kind of thing Vox pictured them doing as partners. Bless him.

>>3998035
I tied him up, the deers are going to murder him and bury the body. >:)

>>3998040
>those Alastors watching him
Based. Total TV suffering.

>>3998040
Very cute! The two deer are pleased!

>>3997974
While I think part of it was to protect them, by having Nifty and Husk at the hotel it allows him to still hold up his end of the bargain with Rosie.

>>3998054
Since he didn't summon them to fight, I assume that's what he intended. He probably thought he'd go fight a bit, eventually let Vox get the upper hand and then give up, leaving them at the hotel so he was technically helping. Niffty and Husk showing up was probably a surprise, and it touched him enough that he ended the fight once they were in danger.

Managed a sketch of shota Al now that we know his official design. Made his hair more floofy.

>>3998062
Very cute fawn. I like the floofiness.

>>3998063
Thank you! I should start sketching more. Hopefully when I'm less busy I can contribute some art to the thread.

>>3998062
da fawn!

Real talk, do you guys think Rosie is Lilith? I don't think that leak is fake, there has to be some truth to it.

>>3998070
I'm on the fence. I don't want to say one way or another, but it doesn't really make much sense for Rosie to hold enough power to grant Alastor position as the most powerful sinner in Hell. This would mean he's technically more powerful than she is...if she's a sinner at all. And then why would there be a statue of the Morningstar family outside of her emporium? It doesn't make much sense. Either she's Lilith or Viv is trying to bait us.

>>3998070
We apparently find out next season. I'm not necessarily sold on her being Lilith, Roo makes more sense to me. But Viv is hinting hard that she's connected to the Morningstars. Whatever happens, it'll be the most uninteresting angle, as is Viv's style.

What do you think of the theory that Vox will get redeemed in front of everyone to prove to sinners that redemption works?

>>3998080
If he does, I hope he only does so after Alastor has chance to gut him.

Man, I'm so wrapped up in my ardor for the deer and Radiostatic that it's actually making me feel crummy now, like all my happiness is currently attached to this fleeting thing. Anyone know how to overcome overdosing on Alastor? Would touching grass help?

>>3998082
Go find deer in da woods

>>3998080
I really hope not. Unless he realizes that he's a sexual abuser and enabler.
>>3998082
Going to be painfully honest, take a break. Go for a walk in the park, engage in other media, spend time with family/friends. When you're feeling better we'll be here waiting. I take two week breaks when I'm down bad.

>>3998082
Touching grass would probably help. Or engage with something else for a bit. I have a few comfort shows that I watch for a bit when I need to calm down and switch off for a bit. The deer will still be here when you’re ready.