>"You are the Ultimates. Every one of you."

Bump if you're reading.

>>149052416
Where is Skyla when you need her?

>>149052431
This page reminds me of a scene from Saga that has lived rent free in my head from time to time
Basically an alien revolutionary tries to broadcast his message across the galaxy about how horrible his planet is and how the war between the two lead races are ruining everything.
He attempts this through hijacking a live soap opera popular amongst various worlds
The actor he attempts to coerce at gunpoint point out that nobody would really care, the second they find out their favorite show isn't on they'll just change the channel. All they'll see is another "angry foreigner" rambling about politics they've already decided they don't care about.
Not sure if that aged well or not

>>149052458
>no one is beyond redemption if given the right environment and right tools.
Camp buddy I believe rehab and mercy as much the next guy but "no one" is a pretty big category dude

And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.

>>149052458
Even in 6160 and without the Iron Fist, Danny Rand is still committing cultural appropriation baka
Sorry sorry I couldn't resist

>>149052436
>>149052445
NOOOOOOOOOOO JIM

>>149052458
>All the prisoners because reformed!
This is more unbelievable than anything in 616

>>149052465
Yeah but don't you forget who was on the top of that list, and who was your only real success

>>149052458
>Hardened killers, violent racists, compulsive thieves--
Notice how he doesn't say rapists

>>149052486
Council of Kangs?

>>149052454
>You know Tony, God's getting kind of sick of that question

>>149052454
Wait, Odin is dead right?
Who this?

>>149052500
I was convinced he'd digivolve to becoming Vision after being so fucking useless in fights

>>149052488
It's an idealistic sort of comic, you gotta have principles about something, even if only just in the words. Literally no one is a big category, but carrying the torch of the idea matters, is kind of the point.

>>149052486
Interesting to view that line vein of Tony becoming Kang, and his father having, in fact, already met him again.

>>149052560
If they pulled a Talk no Jutsu and succeed on even one of the Councilmen, it'd be opening its way for ridicule especially since the audience for these books are definitely opposed to mercy

>>149052458
This is just pathetic.

>>149052560
It's nice and all but it forgets one thing
Psychopaths exist
They deserve to live if innocent and aren't inherently guilty sure but we know they exist
You can't just ignore the fact that some people are just born unable to feel remorse

Why is this so BAD?
Most of Camp's other shit is pretty solid. This one's loose and watery.

>>149052572
None of the council even seem close to being talk no jutsu'd, so I doubt that's a fear. Maybe if they managed to actual capture one alive, but considering the Immortal Iron Hulk dismantled them, that seems unlikely. They're also clearly more talking about sustained reform, in a controlled environment, not necessarily "I'm gonna have one heart to heart with the dude in a fight and it'll work out."

>>149052549
Zeus

>>149052641
But he said nine realms

So what exactly happened to torch again?

>>149052486
Now kiss

>>149052465
>>149052469
I really like this luke cage design

>>149052609
It's a comicbook guys. The point of an ideal is for it to be the starting point, and then working from there as it clashed with reality. It's more inspiring than the other way around, which is "everyone should get fucked except the few amount of people I don't want to/it would cause me problems to have fucked."

I thought /co/ was a christian board?

>>149052696
Haven't you seen us Americans that's the most Christian mindset there is

>>149052660
It's unclear, but "I went to start the fire" sounds like Time Travel shit. And the symbolism of that line also calls back to this sort of thing, so presumably he went back in time to specifically set up some sort of heroic thing.

>>149052454
Thor is a dick.

>>149052425
cute girl

>>149052493
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?

>>149052696
Yeah I get it but I don't think Camp would even believe that stuff himself
There's a difference between idealism and being realistic
Yes it's good to view not everyone as a lost cause
Yes redemption is something that should be possible for everyone in an ideal world and that nobody should be denied it
But to suggest it so broadly feels kind of careless
Where would the Ultimates draw the line?
Would they be comfortable drawing a line after everything they said?

>>149052416
And just like that Steve just destroyed racist ideology off panel converting neo Nazi terrorist child abductors into members of the revolution
You're welcome Mrs. Obama

>>149052768
>Maker just says yeah sorry and the seething ultimates let him go

>>149052416
>>149052425
I just want to say, I'm happy Trump has about three more years. I want these people to die mad.

>>149052696
I just don't like how it doesn't even address the idea that maybe some of those people deserved to be in jail, and that all of them were reformed. Like this is after the second failure of the Ultimates but they won't even acknowledge the idea that an incarcerated criminal might not just be a decent guy down on his luck?
Also I get Tony not sticking to the list dogmatically, but I feel like dolling out powers to ex-cons exclusively is too radical a leap in the opposite direction. It's weird that Tony's success with Spider-Man wasn't mentioned at all with this, especially since he was at the top of said list

>>149052790
>I'm sorry Lejori, I know he ruined your island, your childhood, your people, your culture, and so on so forth and that you REALLY wanted to kill him especially after he nearly killed us but Banner said he was sorry and is willing to change.

>>149052829
I mean, fuck wasn't Luke Cage innocent?

Why do people think they will talk no jutsu Maker when they kill nazis?

>>149052425
Oh shit he made Blue Sky

>>149052425
>Doing what Jonah and Ben did
>But with no consequences
Kinda boring. Ben Reilly deserves justice

>>149052850
It's less "We can save him" and more "What do we do if he says he wants to change, asks for mercy, and seems remorseful?"
Literally how the Ultimates stop fighting once the Red Skulls surrender
They're not executioners but they're not afraid of lethal force if they feel it's necessary

>>149052465
I really hope these morons accidentally make themselves a Carnage

>>149052696
>I thought /co/ was a christian board?
I'm a Christian but I've always stuck by that the bare necessary form of mercy you can give someone is life (and not like some vegetable type shit) and the chance to do better (i.e. you don't actively try to sabotage their chances becoming a better person) and even then I'm not fully convinced.
Just mostly

>>149052458
This is just so weird. What happens to Big Dave the rapist, Jesse Weissman the white supremacist, or Bob the wife-beater?
Do they get to do transcendent meditation too?

>>149052901
>Jesse Weissman the white supremacist, or Bob the wife-beater?
They fall under violent racists and hardened killers
Big Dave MIGHT be shit out of luck

>>149052901
Anyone that didn't comply was executed off panel, they just didn't want to bring attention to that

>>149052416
>>149052786
If you think about it they still have the same goal in opposing the ultraglobalist elite.
Though they're more liberal now.

>>149052829
>I feel like dolling out powers to ex-cons exclusively is too radical a leap in the opposite direction
It's stated that the one's in the superhero class are political prisoners.

>>149052696
>I thought /co/ was a christian board?
Not that guy, but every time someone goes "But you're a Christian, aren't you?" I instinctively bridle, because it means that they're about to try and play on suicidal empathy.
Like, these people think Jesus is a joke and have no respect for Christianity at all. Why do they think invoking the magic words against us would have any effect?
What, do they think they'll shame us into doing what they say? Sorry, but my empathy is only reserved for human beings, not subhumans.

>>149052431
IRON MENACE

>>149052431
And then they made a petition and went protesting for a week or two
Then they got bored and forgot about it
Nothing changed
Nothing happened
The End

Alright /co/, do your worst

>>149052954
That's pretty dark dude

>>149052786
>And just like that Steve just destroyed racist ideology off panel converting neo Nazi terrorist child abductors

they are not child abductors its their kids and the ultimates are stealing them "after killing their parents"

>>149053073
Not him
It's like, "You hate my religion and you think it's a cancer on the planet, why would I ever listen to you when you try to support it against me to back up your own personal moral beliefs?"
I'd honestly be less annoyed if you just stuck to being honest about your sentiment about the faith rather than try to use it to play holier than thou.
I don't think Camp is entirely anti-religion either (if he is anti to begin with), he had Matt Murdock preach Catholic empathy even if the crowd disagreed

>>149052821
>I'm glad I'm shooting myself in the foot if it makes someone mad
Are you Americans ok?

>>149053110
I've always wondered if there's an alternative to christanity, a kind of warrior-faith that's all about slaying your enemies and ravaging their women.
Islam is too closely tied with 'those people' to be appealing.

>>149053130
>Are you Americans ok?
Is that a rhetorical question?

>>149053130
I genuinely support everything the Orange Man has been doing. I have absolutely no problems with any of that.
If anything, I hope the US bombs Iran with bunker-busters.

>>149052416
What weirds me out is that the evil organizations never really seem to have superhumans. They're being funded by the Maker, and they had ONE dude, John Walker.
Shouldn't there be entire platoons of Nazi supermen?

>>149052954
Because you aren't practicing what Jesus preached.

>>149053171
Jesus would spit in your face.

>>149053143
>We need to get into a war because of israel because it'll piss off the left
Wow you ameritards really are that retarded it's amazing

>>149053132
I've always wondered if there is a mythology where everyone's a genuine colossal asshole with no redeeming qualities.
Something that OSP would never cover.

>>149053183
Bear with me here
Iran getting nukes is good for literally no one
Our enemies are China, Iran and Russia, so taking Iran off the table or turning it into a failed state is good for us
We don't need muzzies with nukes, thank you very much.

>>149052901
Already eliminated by Maker because he's a good guy and he wanted to make a good world

>>149053193
Yeah they surely have nukes just like Iraq did

>>149053193
>I genuinely support everything the Orange Man has been doing
>Our enemies are Russia
?????????????????

>>149053200
Oh please, we all know the Council likely has their own Epstein island
Omega Red and Captain Braguette go there every Tuesday

>>149053165
From the looks of >>149052416 this group selects for dudes who've nothing else going for them.

>>149053165
>John Walker
Because Tony fucked up

>>149053205
We deal with 'em one at a time. Russias are nearly white, so they'll come around eventually. But the Iranians and Chinese must be beaten into submission, it's the only language they understand.

>>149053165
Yeah I kind of expect them to have to fight these guys

>>149052946
It's implied at best

>>149053245
> Russias are nearly white, so they'll come around eventually
russia is about a dozen times whiter than freedomland lmao

>>149052454
So are Thor and Sif off the team?
That's a pretty critical blow to the Ultimates

>>149052447
>Fat Cobra survived
>Has giant stitching on him
lol

Wait the Immortal Weapons are celebrities right?
How do you think they explained why Fat Cobra has a huge scar now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhe3vSe-mmw

How is informing stay-at-home dads about pesticides and teaching college kids to make molotov cocktails supposed to stop the Hulk from jumping straight through your chest. How are prisons able to be taken over and held as territory if they previously had to stick to hit and run tactics to avoid getting slapped.

Seriously, the political jabs before were eyerolling, but at least they didn't compromise the story. This is just nonsense.

>>149052431
You think Camp is pro second amendment?

>>149052821
>our country devolving further and further into a cesspool is tragic and all but at least we'll own those damn libtards hahaha

>>149052877
Ben and Jonah sadly aren't two of the smartest guys on the planet equipped with state-of-the-art technology, I wonder why USM and Ultimates never seem to interact in their storylines

>>149053574
Because USM is Hickman's overly convoluted way of writing a Spider-Man comic without Spidey editorial interference

>>149053565
Chadyes.j>>149053563
pg

>>149053583
which is fine, I'll take it because it's been entertaining so far. but I want to believe that The Paper™ or Harry/Peter are actually doing something to destabilize Kingpin beyond just reveals that the Sinister Six are all actually against Kingpin from the start they're just playing along. Spidey is supposed to be #1 priority on the Maker's list so surely he'd have a better connection with Tony and co. as part of Ultimates 3.0

>>149053583
Married peter and MJ was always the plan even before cates got more brain damaged

>>149052486
WE

>>149052447
So, is AIM under Banners' control then?

wait I'm confused, what exactly happened to Torch?

>>149053574
Yeah it's weird that despite being the "center" of this new world, it doesn't even really acknowledge that the other books even exist. There was the one thing at the start where Spider-Man was shown as Tony's only success and then he's never been brought up again.
You'd think Tony would at least try and keep tabs on him considering he handed over technology that he doesn't even understand and just hoped it'd all work out

>>149052761
it's probably Betsy Braddock instead of Scarlet Witch

>>149052761
I don't like that Pietro looks like a fag.

>>149053099
Who is draining the kids blood then?

>>149053245
I am surprised you got time to say this with the Russian dicks in you.

>>149053623
I think Tony sent him into the past.

Hi fellas, I had recently found out the Ultimates series and have plans to start read it. Any suggestions on where to start?

>>149053861
Just follow the issues ordered in the trades

>>149053666
this new universe has been cool so far, not having the Psylocke dilemma. I hope it's not Betsy because I'm worried it'll happen again

>>149053802
to serve what purpose?

>>149053918
Well Kanon already showed up in UXM, so I doubt we will be dealing with that angle

>>149052458
Notice how it says racists and not rapists

>>149052528
Yeah because rapists are so fricking evil and much worse than killers

>>149053922
To start the rebellion early I guess. Maybe Jim can still save Namor like this.

I doubt that. Jim mentions he has large gaps in his memory and doesn't remember how he got to where he was when the Ultimates rescued him. Tony likely sent him into the past knowing it's a recursive loop, meaning all this already happened and is happening again

>>149053219
Magik and Viper enjoy 30 shotas each week

>>149052369 (OP)
What is deniz camp trying to say? Overtake the government? Kill the elites? Like i see what he means but what is the end goal in his plan, kill the maker and reinstate someone you believe will do good?

>>149052431
>Tony's in his messiah era complex and encouraging kids to do terrorism
You poltroons are too stupid to see the coming rugpull

>>149054147
Because deniz camp is straight up a retard liberal
Like he genuinely votes for kamala and hates trump without realising they are the same side of the coin
We wuz kill the billionaires and elon bad
Okay retard then what become socialists? Or do you want us to become anarchist
Yeah nice one this system only works on good will of the people and that isn't happening.

>>149053132
Christianity is about rejecting the law of the sword

>>149053255
Someone post the Uber comic pls. I don't have it

You know the one

>>149054165
>this system only works on good will of the people and that isn't happening
me when the idealistic comic book focusing on inspiring hope does exactly that and isn't jaded about "oh it'll never happen so just give up"

>>149054204
Yeah but when deniz is straight up saying we should overthrow the government i am just saying that he should at least explain what he really wants

>>149054159
It's not terrorism when we do it, back to the reeducation camps you go nazi.

>>149054165
>hates trump without realising they are the same side of the coin
>We wuz kill the billionaires
uh

>>149052486
Holy shit imagine an army of 9 or 10 Tonys gang raping Janet.

>>149052416
Lol, of course the /pol/tards get mad at this page, always so predictable

Now I wonder what a meeting between the old Ultimates and the new ones would look like

I wonder what's gonna happen when the Maker is gone and Tony's coalition crumbles.

>>149053034
>hardened killers, violent racists, compulsive thieves

>>149053918
What dilemma?

The Luke Cage plot was about the prison system making sure that poor people that become criminals out of necessity never get reformed and eventually end up in jail again. Camp isn't thinking about the serial killer and rapist when writing that speech

>>149053918
Anon Betsy was Psylocke well before she got body swapped into being Asian

>>149054920
Aren't the prisoners from those prisons political prisoners?

>do all of this shit
>make an army of superheroes
>still gets stomped into oblivion by Hulk and his followers
lol

>>149053998
rapists don't deserve redemption

>>149054266
he wants to overthrow the violent system of oppression that’s made your life a hell so bad that youre posting on /co/ what do you think he meant

>>149054974
shang chi issue will deal with hulk or at least fuck up his day it looks like

>>149054988
They are also turning Shang Chi into Aang, dude is like 13.

>>149052821
I glad white people will die for their Jewish masters in yet another pointless war

>>149052425
I...feel like it shouldn't be THAT easy

>>149055050
What, you never created a new worldwide interweb before?

>>149053200
Thanks, StarwarsTheory

>>149052891
I'm actually curious (assuming this universe lasts long enough for something like that) how that's going to work, would it be stolen corrupted Pico tech?

>>149054266
Except our government isn't nu ultimates government where a shadowy cabal secretly rules over every government on earth

>>149052486
I will scream kino if he absorbs his dupes for their memories like madrox does

>>149055158
>where a shadowy cabal secretly rules over every government on earth
y-yeah

>>149052475
So with 5 months left, Tony can give them about 30 months. Not bad but the Maker has twenty four thousand years minimum.

>>149052613
Part of it feels like them recognizing that 5 issues is more than likely not enough to get everything where it needs to be before the main even with the Maker starts, it won't shock me if we start seeing massive ramp ups and leaps on plot in the other books in the following months

>>149054165
IIRC he implied he voted third party

>>149055231
>Threw his vote away
That's even worse. If he had voted for Kamala at least then he would have maybe helped orange man lose but instead he threw his vote away

>>149053682
The Mutants in general, You see Sunspot's Dad using his blood it extend his own life and you see Japanese Sinister using blood to boost himself

>>149053165
It was brought up in the issue with Walker but it's insane they didn't attempt to mass produce the serum Walker was given to use amongst themselves

>>149053922
To play the shitty games that suck ass

>>149055225
I've brought it up in previous threads but I genuinely feel Ultimates is the only one that should be in "real time" legitimately feels like none of the other books have benefited from the real time angle

>>149053861
Ultimate Invasion > Ultimate Universe one-shot
Then choose which ongoing you want to follow
>inb4 Ultimate Wolverine
Read Ultimate Universe: One Year In before

>>149052369 (OP)
variant covers
The Ultimates #13 Benjamin Su One Year In Foil Variant
The Ultimates #13 Federico Vicentini Variant
The Ultimates #13 1:25 Greg Land Variant

THE ULTIMATE SCARLET WITCH AND QUICKSILVER! The Ultimates' next mission? Destroy one of the Hellfire Club's strongholds! But a dangerous pair of twins complicates matters...
The Ultimates #14 InHyuk Lee Ultimate Special VariantInHyuk Lee Ultimate Special Variant
The Ultimates #14 Juan Ferreyra Variant
The Ultimates #14 1:25 Salvador Larroca Variant

THE MONK, THE DRAGON AND THE FIST: SHANG-CHI! The Ultimates return to the site of their untimely deaths at the hands of the Hulk and encounter a young boy who has been starting his own insurgency!
The Ultimates #15 Chris Allen VariantChris Allen Variant
The Ultimates #15 InHyuk Lee Ultimate Special VariantInHyuk Lee Ultimate Special Variant
The Ultimates #15 1:25 Javier Garrón Variant

>>149052436
>>149052445
he is gonna turn him into Ultron isn't it?

This whole thing feels like it will fail horribly just like their past two ideas, and it will make Tony go full Kang after a couple of the Ultimates bites it in a way Doom can't just time travel away.

>>149054266
Deniz is saying the Ultimates and the rest of the world should overthrow the shadow government that's been controlling it ever since the Maker started altering the course of history. it evokes a sense of revolution and fighting against oppression in the real world, but he's not directly correlating the Maker's Council to your local HOA or anything

>>149055050
only because Tony is cracked and has so much shit at his disposal

>>149055385
>Read Ultimate Universe: One Year In before
is that really necessary? I feel like Ultimate Wolverine #1 basically establishes that Logan is their mind-controlled lapdog

>>149052445
>I went to start the fire
From Jim's thought log in #10

>>149052475
I figured they were just gonna hyperbolic time chamber there problems nice to know I was kinda right

>>149054144
H-hot

>>149053219
Do they Sinister Six have their own private island too?

>>149053861
Ultimate Invasion
Ultimate Universe
Ultimate Spider-Man
Ultimate Black Panther
Ultimate X-Men
Ultimates
Ultimate Universe One Year In
Ultimate Wolverine

read in that order and one by one the books don't really crossover outside an guest appearance in Spider-Man 8

I don't have it right now but someone on Reddit made an Excel sheet with a issue-by-issue chronological order, try searching there

>>149054920
It's weird because a lot of people get into that lifestyle because it seems like easy money when they have other opportunities

This entire book is just communist propaganda at this point.
Have they accused the Maker of hunting down homosexuals yet? That's about the only thing missing.

>revolution against a government that stole your destined lives and has ruled from the shadows for 60 years forever changing the timeline? nah bro that's commie propaganda

>>149055914

>>149055935
Yeah, because they keep making comics like that.

>>149055551

>but he's not directly correlating the Maker's Council to your local HOA or anything


Fucking retard

>>149055928

Wow bro I wonder if Deniz Camp, avowed leftist, is maybe making an analogy to real events?????

Could it be!?!?!?

>>149055231

Kek what a maroon

Thank god for retards

>>149052844
Was luke cage even in the original ultimate universe? I know bendis turned danny into a bitch traitor

>>149055600
read it at least for the prelude story

>>149055244
>Like he genuinely votes for kamala and hates trump without realising they are the same side of the coin
>He didn't vote for Kamala or Trump
>That's even worse, he should have voted for Kamala!
Time to put the blunt down, anon

>>149055987
He was part of the team of non-powered loser Defenders that Hank Pym joins after getting kicked out of the Ultimates. If I remember right they do show up with powers for some reason later, but they weren't major characters.

>>149054147
He's just a retarded anarchist. This is one step away from saying fuck da police.

>>149055519
That's what I'm partially expecting especially since Janet is actively feeding most of this info to Nick and everyone else probably has no idea about the multiple Tony's running around, the thing I'm excited for it to see the severity of how bad it goes to shit and how they're going to react to Janet going informant

>>149055519
Definitely 100% it honestly feels like the setup for a tremendous failure

>>149052431
Wouldn't a lot of this just...create justification for protestors and rioters to get arrested and even killed? Which would be fine to those outside of the Ultimates Network or those who lack trust in their claims? Well, maybe it comes up later in this issue. Just seems really naive.

I’m honestly wondering if the other ultimate titles are gonna even be in the maker event?

>>149052609
Tony's a psychopath, and he's committed to helping others.

>>149055955
>non-response and namecalling
I accept your concession

>>149053245
Jesus Christ. People really think like this. I don't think you have a single opinion that is your own. Just pure stupidity following everything Orange man says as long as it suits your racism.

>>149052369 (OP)
The comic peaked with the Enlightened Hulk and the Immortal Weapons fight

>>149055928
Creating Blue Sky to combat the fascist regime is objectively stupid

>>149056760
That was trash. It peaked with the FF issue.

>>149052381
>>149052385
He is slowly turning into Kang

>>149052416
Cap going full original Ultimate Cap for a moment

We got the Ultimate universe solicitations for September, and Camp is co-writing a Hawkeye One-shot.
>https://aiptcomics.com/2025/06/18/ultimate-universe-september-2025/

>>149052431
This is so out of character for Tony

>>149052416
Cap's been delivering the John Walker special today.

>>149055551
Its obvious it represents Trump's America. It's saying Trump's America is bad and needs to be overthrown

>>149057014
>sentinels
God damn it

Look at them.

>>149057014
wait I thought Stephen Graham Jones was writing the one-shot? When the hell did he get replaced by Taboo from Black Eyed Peas?

>>149057014
How the fuck has Peter haven’t beaten the sinister six yet

>>149053226
It's dudes who've nothing else going for them who are most likely to join such groups. They need to believe that just being in [insert group here] inherently makes them better than everyone outside [insert group here], because if that isn't true, then they'd have to acknowledge that they have nothing else going for them, and for a lot of people, that's simply too hard to do. Extremist groups offer those people purpose, a sense of belonging, and targets to blame all of their problems on.

>>149057124
Taboo seems to be Marvelsl guy to write Native American stuff for whatever reason
maybe he just had to back out due to scheduling issues or something

>>149056158
I'm fully expected Hand doing something extremely fucked and the blame getting placed on Janet because she never really considered how far they'd take things to maintain order

>>149052470
I think it did

>>149054920
>learned about the education system/prison system/local development pipeline years ago
There's a good reason why there's a corrections "industry" in the first place.
>>149056778
What's the alternative for the Ultimates to push out information that isn't a part of the state-mandated bullshit dissemination apparatus? It's not like they're just impotently posting about bad things happening so they can feel better about themselves, they're literally preparing for war against the regime.
>>149056977
>>149057041
He's a good balance, idealistic without being borderline naive like 616, and resolute and practical without being a massive asshole like 1610. Some people can be rehabilitated, but the ones that can't need to be imprisoned or put in the ground.

>>149052690
That hair is a disaster.

>>149056778
>why are they making a whole new internet? why can't Tony just broadcast their rebellion on the usual, state-controlled social media where everyone's identity is a risk?
anon the comics literally show HAND calling a precision airstrike on a guy just because he was recorded talking to his friends and saying "maybe the Ultimates aren't all that bad", why the fuck would they use the default networking model to combat the fascist regime

>>149057131
The real question is what the fuck is Peter even going to do to help? He’s not a super genius and maker has shown having more than enough fire power to deal with him

>>149057049
based

>>149057049
this shit was planned in 2023 when they still thought Biden would cruise into a second term, it's coincidentally relevant to our times but the Maker Council being a fascist shadow government came much before Trump taking office for the second time

>>149057551
Cope

>>149052488
Tony is basically a wizard, what's impossible in real life is tuesday for him.

>>149057575
I'm not the one being mad at this comic's anti-fascist message lmao, if you think it's referring to Trump then maybe that's on you

>>149057540
Benefit of a doubt what makes peter a valuable asset is the people he’s allied with for now

>>149052458
GO WHITE BOY GO
>>149052901
Key word being "with the appropiate tools and enviroments" John the nazi rapist will get his neck chopped off by captain america if he doesn't choose to play nice, then they can start from there. Plus Tony and Doom have resources centuries more advanced than any rehabilitation technique in present day. If they can make time travel in their basement, they may figure a way to turn Cletus McKiller into Mr Rogers.

>>149052891
Remember that the council are turbo fascists that have tons of unjust political prisioners. The rapists and killers get yoga with Danny, the ones with a background of good deeds or resistance get to be in the hero program. Hence Luke saying they have proved their heroism a hundred times. They do background checks.

>>149052465
If Tony is capable of manufacturing a "superhuman catalyst", he should had used that to give Captain America and Hawkeye better powers.

>>149052425
>Phantom Reporter
Damn, that's a blast from the past

>>149057029
Tony is gone. Now we wuz KANGS

>>149052454
Calling it now, Loki got a massive upgrade off-screen

>>149057110
The hell happened to Mori?

>>149057641
>Cletus McKiller
You could've said Cassidy

>>149057194
Eh, zoomers REALLY hate Israel because of all the atrocities they see online

>>149057014
>Sentinels
>That look exactly like how Sentinels in 616 did
Not beating the allegations

>>149058073
it's from Hisako's astral plane battle dream where Mori became #Meatcase, a lot of fans are theorizing that it's real and the Mori we know is a clone of the original

>>149058153
well yeah they're not gonna look like Elvis all of a sudden are they?

>>149058166
It's just fucking bland and reeks of wasted potential
Someone pointed this out but
>USM is inspired by Peter B. Parker from the Spider-Verse films
>UBP is inspired by Dune
>UXM is inspired by Madoka, Lain, and Weapon X
>UW is inspired by 90's X-Men and Weapon X
It's pretty clear which one's the LEAST inspired of the bunch and falls perfectly in the theory of
>This was only made to shut people up who complained 6160 was TOO different

>>149057014
>ULTIMATE WOLVERINE #9

>Written by CHRIS CONDON

>Art by ALESSANDRO CAPPUCCIO

>RAID ON THE SENTINEL FACTORY!

>With Wolverine reunited with the Opposition, it’s time to hit back at Colossus, Magik and Omega Red—and hit HARD! But the Opposition isn’t prepared for the horrors that await them when they attack a factory secretly producing powerful android soldiers…

Are they doing the Summers Rebellion now?

>>149058228
>Lain
I know that's the one they namedropped, but honestly I feel like the vibe of UXM is closer to Key the Metal Idol.

>>149058228
anon I was kidding lmao, I know UW's the most uninspired of the bunch and the most boring one too

>>149052369 (OP)
Thread theme https://youtube.com/watch?v=F48mtaFOccg&pp=0gcJCf0Ao7VqN5tD

>>149058153
I just feel like sentinels are just generic could’ve gone with like mutant super soldiers from a nation that’s run by mutants

>>149058343
I would've taken them being outright mecha like make them Scopedogs or Metal Gears

>>149054981
I mean hey we got Mike Tyson rehabilitated didn't we?

>>149058343
>>149058385
any of them I don't care, I just wanted a new design for them at least

>>149058440
Should've let Momoko call dibs and not just because she's Asian

>>149058138
To be fair, both Iran and Israel are bad. I see no point in taking a side in a conflict I am not involved directly.

Political activism is meh.

>>149053540
>How is informing stay-at-home dads about pesticides and teaching college kids to make molotov cocktails supposed to stop the Hulk from jumping straight through your chest.
The superheroes fight the supervillains putting on their jackboots, the normies resist by being obnoxious to control.

>How are prisons able to be taken over and held as territory if they previously had to stick to hit and run tactics to avoid getting slapped.
You're smart enough to understand the differences between one guy spitting in a someones face, and a dozen guys holing up in a shack in the woods saying that someone sucks cock.

>>149058260
>have a completely clean slate of continuity
>opportunity to put a fresh spin on familiar characters or invent brand new ones
>but don't
I don't fuck with this.

>>149058343
Maybe if they had aggressively Soviet branding.

>>149058569
A dozen guys in a dozen shacks, mb

>>149057698
he isn’t, he stole those from the maker’s vault

>>149052431
Yeah peter is gonna have to talk to harry about oscorp shipping weapons to africa

>>149058569
>the normies resist by being obnoxious to control.
Doesn't apply when you have a hulk
>difference between one guy spitting in someone's face vs a dozen guys held up in a shack mocking someone
Neither of these could stop a hulk

>>149058790
Guess I was wrong, you're retarded. Good luck with that.

>>149058790
if Hulk starts rampaging through civilians and killing them en masse then that kinda defeats the whole purpose of their shadow government controlling the masses, don't you think? maybe you should finish developing your brain first before saying anything

>>149052458

>bro all you need to do is give prisoners meditation classes and they’ll be reformed!!!!!!

The mind of libs is truly something to behold

>>149059150
>ignoring all the context around this and only hyperfixating on one part to make fun of it without context
rightoid "logic" is really easy to predict

Not really feeling it. Yes, the OG Ultimates Universe had too much cynicism, but this run has tried to swing the pendulum the other direction. At least have dialogue implying that once the Maker is gone, they'll have plenty of opposition groups that will want a slice of the world for themselves, groups they funded and trained. Essentially a calculated risk that they need to take.

>>149058586
I mean, its a continuity where the writers can do whatever they want, so I guess not straying too far from the OG continuity is valid?

So Hickman is basically telling his fans to commit violence against conservatives then right? Cause this is what it feels like

>>149059346
its the cowardly way

>>149058977
>maybe you should finish developing your brain first before saying anything
Cute.

In any case, the obvious answer is that if this kind of grass roots movement is actually able to bring about effective change, then that will eventually mean escalated, direct conflict with the shadow government, which left with no other option, yeah: they will just switch to dystopian authoritarian government that will deploy the Hulk. No matter what they do, they will have to deal with the Hulk eventually. That's non-negotiable, and I'll tell you right now: a bunch of civilian dissenters with molotovs aren't gonna do much better than Earth's Greatest Heroes when 500lbs of Gamma Slamma Jamma comes down on your ass

Hell, they already have "just" cause to bust out some of the big guns now that prisons full of criminals have become rogue city-states

The only way this plan, at least as stated and as you're trying to defend, could work is under the idea that, when The Maker busts out of his goon cave and faced with Tony having the Immortus Engine, he'll just play nice in order to keep up the facade of a perfect world or just try to move on to a different world instead of descending into totalitarian control, but I very much doubt we've been building over a year to the madman that's twisted the world in his image just shrugging it off and going home

Otherwise, the only path to success with this if it's actually really just meant to cast a wider net and create the conditions to make more metahuman heroes, in a way that's much less targeted and vulnerable as the hero boxes while also ironically being similar to The Maker warping the conditions of the world (especially since they make a point to show Tony using the Immortus Engine for this when it's arguably not necessary), but that's not the idea you're backing nor the hill you're dying on, so that's another matter

Anyways, don't be a glib little shit if you're also gonna pretend you care about comprehension and discussion

>>149059420
I mean, yeah. I would have loved to see a ongoing about an army of Logan clones, with one of them going rogue.

>>149059420
Honestly I sympathize with them. Y’all nerds keep clamoring for things to be different but not too different, and that’s how we get here.

Even with a new universe people complain that the X-men book isn’t enough like the classic, or they expect old characters to come back, and they wet their pants when a reference to an older version is made. DC too has to reboot their universe but always brings back entire storylines and characters into the new one, effectively stagnating cause even the new versions are expected to retread ground the old ones did.

This is the result of the inertia this readership encourages.

Superheroes being proactive is good.
>Noo, its not what I want!
Suck to be you

>>149059487
Percy already did that in his parallel Wolverine & X-Force runs.

>>149059515
But 6160 isn't replacing 616

>>149057029
Is it? He's not Tony

>>149058586
>>149059346
>>149059420
I'm 90% positive UW is the way it is because corporate wanted a basic botch book to have alongside UXM

>>149055218
The Maker pulled that hyperbolic time chamber shit in 1610 and while it did give the superheroes a run for their money it also demonstrated that he's a brainlet. His Children and his City were basic bitch tier compared to their 616 counterparts.

>>149059570
They're making world changing decisions every issue, but it feels like they aren't doing shit. There's no impact to this comic.

>>149059795
You think Condon wanted to do something more original only to be told no?

This actually aged well

>>149057698
>>149058647
If anything, it's crazy how saw what some of those powers were and AFAWK didn't bother attempting to find a way to replicate them

>>149059795
I think it reads like a Wolverine book because everyone involved in making it understands that Wolverine is the selling point.

>>149059831
That's not the problem
The problem is that everything is too similar to 616
People gave Ultimate Black Panther flack for being too safe back when it was just those first three ongoings but at least Hill takes heavy inspirations from Dune and said inspirations are now paying off

>>149052406
>>149052416
>In your world only irony could be sincere.
Is Infinite Jest required reading in the Ultimate Network's prison-schools?

Would this be better recived if the Ultimates were fighting against left wing extremism instead?

>>149060201
I don't even know what that would look like. Cap picking fights with they/them furry artists on bluesky?

>>149059486
Pretty much my biggest problem with all of this, we're taking about a guy that casually destroyed all of France and Washington in a for of rage, it's extremely bold of Camp to think The Maker would care about opinions of regular nobodies

>>149059801
It's a consequence of the time jumping evetime something is "established" the following issue doesn't pick up with that it usually moves on to something else or because of the month jump the impact has already happened off screen...shit like Harry's "death" and Peter having to go on the run should have felt like a bigger deal but because of the skip forward you aren't really shown the actual effects of it all, I honestly think it's why I'm enjoying the Absolute books a bit more

>>149060965
God, I hope they get rid of it once the Maker event happens.

I feel like they over estimated how much they could get done with a real time skip between issues. The book has the problem of moving to slow with the countdown of the maker coming to steal all the big booty latinas but this issue felt the opposite where things feel really rushed with the Ultimates now becoming what is essentially a revolutionary army in the span of a month

>>149060201
No, only /co/ and a bunch of chuds on twitter will like it but neither of them actually buy comics

>>149059370
Camp you dum dum
Hickman's doing Spider-man only

>>149060201
probably not
>>149060308
communists, they exist, unfortunately.

>>149060965
qrd on the Absolute books rn?
i read the first 3 issues of Absolute Batman i think, but i didn't see the appeal everyone else did.

>>149052465
>>149052469
>>149052475
any chance of these guys being people we know? or are they just fodder for the council to kill so they can raise the stakes?

>>149062382
I wouldn't be surprised if the black, asian and blond guy trio in some panels are the Sons of the Tiger. Only issue is that Bob didn't wear glasses.

>>149062382
I tought the Bandana guy being Forge, but i remembered he wouldn't need a power, or if he already appeared in Ultimate Wolverine.

>>149062100
>Absolute Supes is Aaron channeling his inner Snyder
>Absolute WW is a nice reinvention
>Absolute MM is interesting but the art is not for everyone
>Absolute Flash sucks

>>149062100
>>149062819
I forgot about Absolute GL but if you are a Halfag then the book is not for you

>>149060965
Honestly yeah absolute has the advantage of not having to do real time and not having to deal with darkseid

>>149062819
Yeah absolute WW and MM have been the stand outs

All of this and Miles just zaps into the universe and makes everyone race to suck his dick.
There's like 5 books how are these people not talking to each other?

>>149058153
Why does Ultimate Wolverine even exist, breaks continuity all the time and does the most generic shit ever

>>149062956
Miles book might as well be non canon anon. It'll not be acknowledged after he goes back to 616

>>149052436
>>149052445
I guess Janet isn't a triple agent, she really is just betraying the Ultimates...

>>149062956
All blame is solely on tony he’s the one who knows the others exist I don’t expect a 17 year old japanese girl to know how to contact spiderman and black panther

>>149054147
Considering this seems to end with Tony sending suicide bombers to the past, I think the idea is that sometimes good intentions fail. Maybe we're not supposed to root 100% for the Ultimates.

>>149055413
Nico looking at my micropenis

>>149052486
I can see it now, Tony is at a point where he split off parts of his good personalities which get killed and he's left with the bad ones which is where he turns Kang.

>>149053682
Vampires? Isn't Blade gonna be part of the Ultimates?

>>149052416
>2025 and still filtering chuds
God bless marvel

>>149053165
Nazis aren't that smart as history has proven

>>149052425
I kinda just feel like Camp doesn't know how the internet works

>>149057014
I'd be less salty about the fag Hawkeye getting a one shot if the real one was allowed to be on a non-digital only Avengers team again

>>149058228
>USM is inspired by Peter B. Parker from the Spider-Verse films
He's really not

Where the FUCK is Hickman?

>>149063712
Should have been a Wacko, but can't be helped.

>>149052381
>>149052385
teen janet is too cute

>>149063794
Hawkeye is THE Wacko. It's a crime that Duggan made a team without him

>>149063158
>Considering this seems to end with Tony sending suicide bombers to the past
Where did you get that?

>>149063048
>breaks continuity all the time
How?

>>149063956
We already know Tony is Kang and has infinite Ultimates, it's part of the first ever issue.

You ever wonder who else was offered to write the ultimate titles I know cates was offered usm

>>149058138
less the atrocities and more the lobbying and pilpuls

>>149054159
>>149054783

>>149053165
That would have been too entertaining.

>>149052431
>tutorial to create molotov cocktails
I didn't know Tony wants people to burn alive.

>>149052458
>killers in the same group as racists and thieves
what

god forbid a superhero comic talk about ideals and make generalized statements because /co/tards will never miss an opportunity to go "everyone???? so you mean every rapist and psychopath and murder and and and??? thats le heckin wrong dude!"

>>149063677
It's Tony Stark nigga he can do whatever he wants when it comes to technology

>>149063956
Bro... Ultimate Invasion? It's clearly him at this point.

>>149065407
The infrastructure alone to "build your own internet" would be massive. And then to somehow get it as a regular ass app on a phone that would 100% be locked down by the shadow cabal government. It doesn't make any sense.
I said it before but it's literally just the same plot as Ben and Jonah's from USM but with zero thought put into it

>>149065428
yes it makes little sense but it's hardly the detail to be hung up on in a superhero comic lol, it's probably not a simple app you can find on the Play Store or anything

>>149065428
Anon, he hacked the council's quantum internet. This whole universe run on silver age logic instead of muh realism.

>/co/ laughs at marvel comic trying to sound much smarter than it actually is
>retards obsessed with /pol/ seethe
another day in ending in y, how many years will this continue?

>>149065402
Honestly.

>cape comics exist to convey idealistic stories of noble heroes acting to make the world better and instill ideals in kids
>the readership somehow grew older and didn’t want to let it go, and now they complain it’s too childish and idealistic, while expecting a kids genre to convey the nuances and complexities of the adult books they should be reading instead

>>149065505
Comics has not been a kid's genre for how many years at this point with its insane pricing and kids moving on to things like video games? You seem as behind the times as Marvel itself.

>>149065505
Cape comics are supposed to be entertaining. This isn't.

>>149065459
Until the US keep being retarded

>>149062382
I feel like they’ll be completely new heroes if they do become one. Would be in line with the new direction Tony was talking about, not taking cues from their lost past and all that.

>>149059690
Tell that to the retards that get mad because these books aren't carbon copies of their 616 counterparts or the reatrds getting mad at shit like USM because they're realizing it's not a replacement for ASM despite the fact Hickman never said it was

>>149062100
Absolute Batman actually got a lot better once it became clear Bruce is in over his head and is dealing with something significantly larger in scope than he understands

>>149063972
Nta but
>Wolverine is alive despite being shown to be dead in Makers storage
>The Scientists Team at Weapon X have no idea who the Maker is despite it being established he saved the Earth from Galactus, was the first man on the Moon, and was publicly "friends" with Kennedy and other political figures
I'm sure there's more but those are the immediate standouts

>>149052954
Ad hominem. You're still a hypocrite.

>>149065610
Where I'm at, I could care less about what politics are being pushed this was just a boring issue other than the ending with Tony

>>149066430
not that I'm defending Ultimate Wolverine but other stuff has broken continuity regarding the "secrets" of this world too. UXM makes it seem like mutants are a new discovery thanks to the Cult secrets leaking when it's already been established that mutant rights protests used to be a thing in the US and elsewhere before the worldwide mutant population got moved to Russia. and on the other hand, Gwen and the rest of the Mysterio cult were oblivious about the Maker's existence until recently, whereas in Ultimate Invasion there was a whole media sensation about the Maker finally opening the gates of the City after long

>>149066384
Oh yeah definitely that shit gets annoying but I understand to a degree especially since 616 across the board has been stagnant with spiderman being what it is and x-men being what it is now

>>149063048
I don’t hate ultimate wolverine I’m just worried it’s gonna just fall into the same pitt falls that the current x-men is going through

>>149066430
>Wolverine is alive despite being shown to be dead in Makers storage
They outright state that the first test subject for the adamantium bonding was dead, it just turned out to not be Logan and seemingly they just found out about mutants.
>The Scientists Team at Weapon X have no idea who the Maker is despite it being established he saved the Earth from Galactus, was the first man on the Moon, and was publicly "friends" with Kennedy and other political figures
In fairness to the scientist, it was in a somewhat dark/shadowed scene where you could say he didn't recognize until it was too late or he did but was ignorant of how powerful the guy is and thought a gun would be enough. Alternatively as another one stated, a lot of Maker's accomplishments weren't actually public knowledge and Tony just has them thanks to a combination of his dad and just being able to find the information thanks to his tech.

Which titles you think will get relaunched after the maker event?

>>149067543
Wolverine
New Fantastic four
captain america

bump

>>149067543
Is UXM really doing that good? Otherwise I feel like that'll get rebranded into like New Mutants or Generation X so that they can use the X-men team name for another.

>>149068134
it's already been called Ultimate X-Men for long enough, renaming it to something else while the UXM name continues with a new comic will make people very confused

>>149068134
Last I checked it does surprisingly solid but you never know when comes to editorial I’ll be awkward to change the name considering the book establishes the x-men name

>>149067543
Usm ironically I don’t know if hickman wants to stay and he might busy with other projects

>>149064156
It's the only trick they know

>>149065610
This!

>>149064156
Why are there so many lately? Is there a new cartoon that called them over here?

>>149052416
>You can show a swastika and shout out Hitlers book but can't print "bad words"
censorship is fucking retarded

>>149052549
>who is the living thundercloud man talking about the 9 realms

why is Thor bitching about muh mortal matters anyway, didn't he overthrow Loki's hedonistic regime in like a single issue? what more does he have to bother about?

This month shit is fucking stupid and is causing all of the interesting things to happen offscreen because we gotta jump in a random day of june to see what Tony is doing.
Why the fuck would you force yourself to have flashbacks in every single issue?

Floof and gremlin.

>>149066609
8 should have added it doesn't bother me because as you said the other books have these problems that radiate with the vibe no one is taking amount each other when writing these stories, as you pointed out UXM acts like mutants are a new thing when Ultimates has established they've existed for decades, though I chalk this up to it feeling like Peach wants to do her own thing and her own thing just not fitting the big picture

>>149070544
Her is failing her and she's not even a teenager yet, you hate to see it

>>149071327
*Hairline

>>149070271
My fluffy wife Natsu

>>149065402
Because again, do you really think Deniz Camp believes what he's saying?

>>149071622
He does

I have myself to blame for reading this
Thank you OP, it's not your fault

>>149072347
Same.

Would the story be better if Javier Rodriguez was drawing?

>>149074163
but the artist is not the writer

>>149074772
Marvel Method is the penciller does the storytelling and the writer makes up the words.

>>149057168
Yeah, I assume this is going to fail or blow up horrifically in their faces and that's what leads to Tony becoming Kang

>>149075322
Doesn't the marvel method involve the writer coming up with a basic premise, letting the penciller plot and draw based on that, then put in words?

There’s been other continuity issues too:

>Ultimates showed the Savage Land was in Antaruca and ravaged by Roxxon, while in Spider-Man it’s under NYC
>Also in Spider-Man, MJ mentions she does publicity for Damage Control, implying their a clean-up crew, while in the Ultimates FCBD issue Damage Control is what the Maker calls his collection of superhero artifacts

This is probably the worst version of Captain America ever. He doesn’t even act like man born in the 20’s at all.

You can also tell Camp had no idea what to do with Thor and Sid either, and therefore shoved them off screen as fast as he could

>>149075520
Apparently the NYC Savage Land was the equivalent of a zoo or other artificial biome.

>>149075520
>>Also in Spider-Man, MJ mentions she does publicity for Damage Control, implying their a clean-up crew, while in the Ultimates FCBD issue Damage Control is what the Maker calls his collection of superhero artifacts
There isn't a contradiction here. The original one deals with returning the city to status after super fights. An organization that would remove unwanted elements such as superhero remains could easily work as/with cover of repairing city damages.

>>149053392
Russia is like 15% Muslim now.

>>149062956
>>149063130
The idea that it's taking him this long to nahe any real attempts at reaching out to the larger universe despite knowing they're out there is baffling

>>149074163
Honestly he'd be better used on something like Ultimate X-Men

>>149075540
It's been mildly entertaining watching the new car smell wear off and see people begin to realize how much of a mess this universe is, maybe once the in real time schtick gets removed it may improve but I genuinely can't see this shit working after The Maker is dealt with

>>149075636
>>149075661

Cope

>>149076259
No, you cope.

>>149076259
>>149076480
both cope

>>149071327
It's Peter's fault, I'm sure of it.

>>149076586
I'm already a copepod.

If you think about it, The Maker's Council is basically Israel

>>149071622
what sort of naive question is that, yes he does lmao

Too much talking, not enough superheroing, and the talk is a bunch of cack.

>why is every panel not pure action reeeeee

>>149077185
More like: why isn't this fun in any way?

>>149059204
>no, no people are just products of their circumstances and have no personal agency whatsoever!

This looks like AI sometimes.

>>149053187
greek?

>>149054192
>*proceeds to whip moneychangers hanging out at the temple*

Jesus was Simon Belmont

>>149078192
A whip hurt, it doesn't kill.

>>149055244
>threw his vote away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS2Bsq5PDmU

>>149078151
>I cannot read the part where it says Luke and others like him were incarcerated as political prisoners, least of all the fact that the Maker literally had files on him as a superhero in 616
>>149077546
because you are a manchild

Thanks OP

>>149078208
>*proceeds to lead the armies of God against the forces of evil in Revelations*

>>149078244

>*proceeds to lead the armies of God against the forces of evil in Revelations*

An appellation of Yaweh's is Sabaoth, meaning the lord of hosts and Armies. Yes, as in plural of Army.

>>149078257
for
>>149078208

>>149078257
It's not going to be much of the battle since hes already going to win

>>149053165
The Maker obviously wouldn't want entire legions of superpowered guys who might end up following another leader on a whim, or leave the compounds to do their own thing.

>>149053193
>Our enemies are China, Iran and Russia
gaslighting yourself into thinking Iran is just as much of a threat to the USA as China or Russia is crazy, they said that about Afghanistan and Iraq and others too

>>149078572
Buddy they'll have nukes in two weeks and obliterate us if we don't invade right now!

>>149078572
>Iran has no nuclear weapons
>Iran TV shows some faggot stroking a tiny nuke
The solution is to let them nuke israel and then every other country will nuke iran

>>149078672
>Buddy they'll have nukes in two weeks
yeah I heard that before

seeing people getting frustrated with usm is funny because people really wanted a replacement for 616

>>149079744
Can't they just read the classic stuff?

>>149079744
>people really wanted a replacement for 616
Damn

>>149078225
This is a superhero comic were talking about. We're all manchildren here, including you.

>>149058260
Wild to me that this is one of the only times a Wolverine suit actually attempted matching an Wolverines fur patterning

>>149079744
I don't think it's funny because while I think it's a good books it's kinda a shit SPIDER-MAN book

>>149052373
Shan’t.

>>149052390
GAY

>>149052954
>not subhumans
No such thing, and you should be ashamed of yourself for holding those views.

>>149075540
>He doesn’t even act like man born in the 20’s at all
Sorry but he was never racist, misoginist , homophobic and a turbo capitalist

Why are they doing this? If they had a year before the Maker returns why are they dicking around and retrying every 3 issues? Is there even a plan? Does Hickman know where the plot is going? Does it matter where it's going at all?

>>149081258
Obviously they need to fail to overthrow so when Maker returns he is the boss kind of guy.

Has there been a recent comic that deals with revolution or rebellion with any kind of passion?
This one comes off as weak.

>>149081446
>.>
<.<
Ultimate X-Men

>>149082143
No, seriously.

All Ultimate Books will end at issue 24 .

That makes sense if you have the big event then, but Wolverine starting late makes it wonky.

>>149082370
Yeah but Camp said there are Post-Maker plans so they're probably getting relaunched, especially since the real time gimmick is going away.

>>149082446
I hope Peach Momoko keeps doing Ultimate X-Men.

>>149082370
Damn it was nice while hope it’s a relaunch with same creative teams besides usm

>>149082446
>Yeah but Camp said there are Post-Maker plans
source?

>>149082370
>Bluesky

>>149082370
My money's on relauches.

Ultimate X-Men> Ultimate New Mutants
Ultimate Spider-Man> Ultimate Venom
Ultimate Wolverine> Ultimate Opposition
etc...

>>149082850
I don't think the X-Men will change their name.

>>149081171
>>149075540
didn't this Cap watch everything from 1945 to 2024 in that chamber they had him in?
he isn't really a "man out of time" in the same sense as 616 or 1610's Cap are.

>>149082850
>Ultimate Venom
So AI Peter finally takes his place as the real Peter?

>>149083009
No, I was thinking something happens to Peter so Richard takes over.
Ya know, because fucking Miles named him Venom...

Doing a relaunch is stupid I don’t think any of the titles even need it

>>149083070
Welcome to Marvel

>>149083070
All-New All-Ultimate soon lmao

>>149083038
That would be extremely lame.

>>149083038
>>149083197
Unfortunately I'm expecting Peter or MJ to bite it

>>149082370
Ah, I guess tis was expected.

>>149082370
>He deleted the post
Oopsie daisy!

>>149082850
>Ultimate X-Men> Ultimate New Mutants
It will never happen

>>149085235
Considering his response when asked was to just post the article from when the universe started saying "I thought it was obvious it was only 2 years," I'm going to assume he was just fucking retarded and thought "They have 2 years to get ready" meant "Everything ends in 2 years" and now he's accidently turned something that doesn't exist into something to worry about.

>>149062100
Absolute Batman has a rocky start. Somehow blue collar civil engineer batman is more in control of Gotham than billionaire playboy batman, but the antagonists catch up and surpass him after the first arc. It's too early to say if it's going to be good yet but at least Batman doesn't feel like he's going to stomp every fight now.
Absolute Wonder Woman is great, however, and I've heard good things about Absolute Martian Manhunter

>>149082850
I’ll be kinda awkward to rename peach’s x-men considering it’s most likely to end with the mc accepting that she’s an x-men along with her friends

>>149086091
The X-Men are the New Mutants overthrowing the shitty adult mutants ruining the world behind the scenes!

>>149057668
rapists don't get joga, they just get killed like all rapists deserve.

>>149054783
Yep, as predicable as death and taxes

blumpf won

>>149086071
I actually think that what makes Batman as good as it is imo, introducing he over the top and strong as shit only for him to get obliterated the moment he had to deal with actual threats forcing him to completely reevaluate his MO has been great

>>149086071
I think the Absolute line barring Manhunter started weak but have all improved while most of the Ultimate books started strong have started feeling shaky

Updated ranking:
>#4 - Doom/FF
The only half-decent issue so far. I like the paneling gimmick and the concurrent storytelling. The fill-in art (by Noto) is no good, but that's not much of a change.
>#9 - Luke Cage
Luke infiltrating prisons is kind of cool.
>#8 - Guardians of the Galaxy
The glimpse into the future, seeing a bunch of future heroes, is kind of interesting. Having lots to sort through helps.
>#3 - She-Hulk
I like how it's intercut with experimental logs, and there's some decent creature feature and body horror.
>#11 - Asgard
Mediocre splash pages, crap poetry. Corporations enslaving mythical lands is slightly intriguing.
>#6 - Heaven/Immortal Weapons
Boring all-out brawl, but I like that it was a stomp. They tried to spice it up with the named attacks. It didn't work.
>#1 - Hank/Janet
Kicks off the Ultimate line. Shit fight at the end, but the bootprint is a nice touch.
>#2 - Midas/America
Mediocre interpretation of Midas, and a corny punchline to the issue.
I read somewhere that Midas' dialogue was inspired by that one Ned Beatty speech from Network, but unlike that, this one has no fire to it, and it's padded out with a boring fight sequence.
>#5 - Hawkeye
Lame Hawkeye character and design, lame fight with Cap. Trick arrows.
>#10 - Red Skull
Boring stealth storm. Namor twist was alright, Bucky twist was not.
>#12 - regroup
The dream reveal and the time-meddling shenanigans was kind of interesting, but it was kind of glossed over.
>#7 - post-defeat
Filler conversations from most of the team while the brownest members are off making a difference.
>#13 - 3.0
Lots of stuff going on, but none of it has any weight or punch. This feels like one of those final, rushed wrap-up issues for a comic intended to go on for much longer.

>>149082370
I wonder how many new people did the ultimate line actually bring in considering people are shocked about relaunches

>>149082850
Nah Ultimate Wolverine will be Ultimate X-force.

>>149081258
if there's one thing that's been consistent across this universe it's that these new heroes are really underequipped against the might of the Maker and his Council, hence the desperation and retrying new shit ever so often

>>149091532
I think another big problem with this run is there's little to no desperation expressed in it. No agony, no rage, no hatred, no brooding, no suffering. The characters spend most of their time looking determined, placid, slightly dejected, or slightly peeved.

>>149092425
the issue before this was literally about their nightmares of being horribly killed and learning those were all their actual fates were it not for Doom's intervention

>>149090014
>Asgard issue not at the bottom
how the hell

>>149052373
bumping as requested

>>149090014
putting this issue at last is crazy, I understand it's not exactly everyone's favorite but the post-defeat and Midas ones were a lot worse

>>149083544
no fuckinng way, both of them are barely characters as it is right now

>>149092788
Everything under the FF issue is "at the bottom". Aside from that one, I'm struggling to find redeemable qualities in the other issues. I could very heavily reorganize if I were to go back and reread them, but I really don't want to do that.
>>149094015
The fact that so much was covered and I didn't care about any of it made me put it there, but you're probably right.

>>149094951
I feel like MJ barely being a character is why I can buy her dying

https://x.com/shawstacular/status/1936438740005634155

It looks like Davisson was just being a butt fucking retard. No one knows anything about the line ending lmao

>>149060308
>Communist insurgents
>Black supremacists
>NAMBLA
the possibilities are endless

>>149096407
Peach really needs to tardwrangle her husband and her translator

>>149096438
Is the white supremacist group always has an Asian or Black guy secretly leading them in Marvel, will the Sons of Hotep have a white guy as their final boss?

>>149096506
Her husband didn't do anything wrong though?

>>149096634
He didn’t but creators and creator teams responding to random twitter profiles is always a slippery slope

>>149092780
Yeah, and it was incredibly mild.

>>149096519
If they want to go for realism they'll make him jewish

>>149098522
An Albino Skrull who converted to a Syncretism between Judaism, Shinto, and Keynesian economics.