From what I've read, Elio ended up being a good movie. The big issue at hand for it was piss poor marketing damaging it's performance.

I will not pay money to see a movie with this art style.

>>149130923 (OP)
From what I know about shills, you can spot them with tells like being vague about the plot and not calling anyone anything offensive.

>>149130923 (OP)
>The big issue at hand for it was piss poor marketing
I see people blaming the marketing and I really don't get it. As someone with very little interest in this movie, I saw plenty of ads and lots of promotion for it throughout the last couple of weeks, way more than I've seen for other movies like How to Train Your Dragon.

I honestly think
>the marketing was bad!
iss just cope for
>the art style is hideous, the story looks bland, and the jokes were unfunny
perpetuated by people who are terrified that Pixar won't make originals after this movie bombs. They don't want to admit that the problem is THE MOVIE, not the marketing, not the fact that it's a new IP, and not the fact that it hasn't presented a hook to go see it.

>>149131047
>way more than I've seen for other movies like How to Train Your Dragon
I couldn't escape this fucking movie's advertising.

I will hide your faggot obvious shill thread OP
and I advice everyone to do the same.

Seriously though, for a 300 million film, being "hey it's not /that/ bad" is not really good enough.

>>149130923 (OP)
I saw a lot of trailers for this thing.
It just looks kind of ugly and bland like the last few Pixar movies.

>>149130923 (OP)
who want to watch brown shota

>>149131093
The budget is actually $150 million. That 300million was an unreliable rumor

>>149130943
Fpbp

>>149130923 (OP)

>>149131292
El bakla extinguido

i wonder how the original version of the movie from 2 years age would have been since from what ive hear none of it from the teaser isnt in the movie
https://youtu.be/2w_K3CB8PuE?si=YISH9HGW676V-50N

>>149130923 (OP)

Pixar started going to shit the moment they began using just regular humans as leads.

>>149130923 (OP)
>The big issue at hand for it was piss poor marketing damaging it's performance.
I heard this too, been reading articles using that same regurgitated excuse all day. Clearly the journalist covering it want to divert all blame away from the art or plot or characters or the message or the tone, and onto Disney/Pixar movies somehow being super obscure all of a sudden.

>>149131343
I don't think humans are the problem, thing with feelingslop was getting passe

Time to put Ello into the vault of unsuccessful Disney films never to be referenced again.

>>149131292
Whoa.

I don't feel like spending money on this art style. This is wait for streaming art style, and even then, I will probably end up skipping the movie.

The backgrounds don't look appealing either. I don't remember anything about the backgrounds from the previews other than Blue and purple blobs. Zootopia had highly iconic backgrounds of the city of Zootopia.

>>149131292
AWWW, HE IS SO ADORABLE FACE! THAT IS VERY GOOD!

>>149130923 (OP)
Elio is fucking winner! That is the best Pixar movie in the world! HOORAY!

>>149130923 (OP)
>marketing
I've seen BUSES with Elio on it
I've seen BILLBOARDS with Elio on it
I've seen multiple YouTube Ads with Elio
Elio's problem isn't marketing
Elio's problem was its character designs being unappealing
No amount of marketing would save Elio even if it's a genuine good film
Did people say The Lone Ranger failed because of bad marketing?

>>149130923 (OP)
>openly gay 11 y/o MC

>The big issue at hand for it was piss poor marketing damaging it's performance.
Actually, Disney spent more money on Elio's marketing than it did for the Lilo & Stitch remake. Elio just couldn't pull in audiences the way that earlier Pixar originals did.

>Other big spenders for movies that opened include Paramount Pictures' "Mission Impossible” at $14.3 million (which opened May 23), Disney's “Elio” with $14 million, and Disney’s ”Lilo & Stitch” at $12.6 million (opened May 23).

https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/406888/summer-box-office-up-24-dragon-takes-top-spot.html

>>149130923 (OP)
God damn the nu pixar style is freakin hard to look at
These niggas have been coasting on past clout for a while now

>>149130923 (OP)
With that artstyle it deserves to flop anyway.

>>149130923 (OP)
Blaming marketing is the go-to cope for bad movies that have nothing to offer. Elio is middling, at its very best, and obnoxiously faggoty at its worse.

>>149130923 (OP)
It wasn't bad marketing, it was a shitty movie. OP, you're the problem for thinking that bad marketing was the reason for the movie's failure. And you're also the problem for liking slop such as this. Get better taste

>>149131047
I never get why people defend facts with bullshit base don "I totally saw this das rite". It really is a fact this movie had no marketing. It's not something you were asked to prove wrong, because you literally can't.

>>149130923 (OP)
Same 'ol journalists desperate to spin reality to fit their narrative that progressive movies aren't failures. They've at least learned not to blame the movie goes for being assholes that didn't support such a deserving movie. Now they try to gaslight them into thinking the movie is worth seeing and all these imaginary factors conspired to keep the audience from getting to see such a great film
https://www.slashfilm.com/1893880/pixar-elio-box-office-flop-reasons/
>"How did the movie fail?! What could possibly have been the reason??"
>"It wasn't a sequel! Everyone knows the first movie can't gain an audience and everyone loves sequels more than the first movie!"
>"There were so many great reviews! Everyone loved it (ignore our first reason) but no one read those reviews so Disney couldn't make use of them (nevermind, our first reason is valid now)"
>"It was the other movies in theaters at the same time! They stole all the ticket sales. Somehow people who wanted to see this movie got sucked into a different theater and didn't get a chance to buy tickets for Elio!"
>"S-Streaming! Streaming killed all movies! Even the ones we claimed stole the ticket sales didn't actually get any sales at all because no one even went to the theater and stayed home to binge streaming services instead!"
>"THE MARKETING! You never even heard of Elio did you!? Shut up, you didn't! And if you think you did then you're just remembering it wrong! You absolutely wanted to come see the moive you never heard of but the marketing department just stayed dead silent and didn't put out a single advert to let you know this fantastic movie was in theaters now!"
>"So that's all the reasons why the movie isn't doing well!"

>>149130943
Fpbp

This “marketing killed it” narrative is pure copium. More people having this effeminate androgynous bean mouthed faggot pushed in their face would have probably hurt sales more while ballooning overhead by a hundred million

>>149130923 (OP)
Ended up being good? Or ended up being not as bad as people thought it would be?
It just looks forgettable and the art isn't appealing.

>>149131292
Is he part monkey?

>>149132768
Based Buck takes.

>>149130923 (OP)
The art style and character designs killed the beast

>>149131292
Whoa

>>149131452
>feelingslop
Retard

>>149133590
>It had no marketing because uh... this random journalist said so, okay chudigga!?!?!?
Goonsister...

>>149132481
What makes you think he's gay?

>>149130923 (OP)
it looks like a baby movie

>>149135597
I'm a man, so any man that makes my dick hard is gay

Idk I saw trailers, ads on tv, ads on frozen food at the grocery store and ad banners on the net
I think sometimes it just won't make a difference if people are just not interested and just because you have ad block on 24/7 don't leave your house or watch TV doesn't mean that it has poor adverting it is just a bland looking product

>>149130923 (OP)
Pretty much, Disney has always been stupid at promoting its shows and movies.

Pic unrelated.

>>149132435
Yeah, everytime I see someone say a major studio film has bad marketing, I get confused, because I always absolutely do see some amount of marketing for it. It’s not like the european indie films that I only find out about from you guys, Disney/Pixar movies always at least have the standard posters and trailers and commercials on youtube. The “poorly marketed” ones are only ever the ones where I haven’t seen them shoved down my throat absolutely everywhere I go, with mcdonalds toys and cheap merch all over the place before the movie’s even out and nonstop commercials on every screen I encounter. That, and also the only ones that get accused of having “bad marketing” are also suspiciously always the failures that people knew about but decided they weren’t interested in.

>>149131292
My ancestor

>>149131236
The film was reworked a lot so I'd figure it's somewhere in between. Disney has lied about budgets many times before.

>>149132422
Exactly how much were you paid to post this?

Okay, I know I’m playing with fire asking this, but:

Do you think less people saw it because the MC is vaguely latino?

>>149130923 (OP)
>From what I've read, Elio ended up being a good movie
I don't care how much you shill it, I'm not watching a movie that has the same art style as the GrubHub commercial.

>>149130943
FPBP

>>149136202
I thought he was asian.

>>149136202
I doubt that had anything to do with it honestly. The masses will see movies with all sorts of races if it captures their interest. Elio just did not catch their attention.

>>149130943
underrated post

>>149131143
>who want to watch brown shota
I think a lot of people would if he were actually cute.

Whoever came up with this art style should be forced to eat nothing but beans

>>149130923 (OP)
Really? Cuz from what I saw with my own eyes, it was another boring bean-mouth trauma-slop and you were a tremendous tasteless dork!

Dumbass!

You fuckers are all talk but never show up to the theaters, also normies are sick of this rancid beanmouth aesthetic, they see it and think "oh it's gonna be one of those films, we'll just see something else Billy" you guys enabled this kind of stuff for so long now that it's unpopular Disney is stuck at a crossroad, they don't wanna pander to either side and are staying neutral.

>>149136689
I would rather see Kpop Demon Hunters in theaters and I *hate* Kpop.

Stop trying to make boys gay, it's already a bad enough time to be male.

>>149136744
At least that has something.

>>149131292
Shiiiieeeeet

>>149136744
I hate KPop but the characterization and humor in that movie is even worse than just grating music. It has like, fucking Turning Red humor.

All of /co/'s explanations for why it's flopping are fucking retarded
>it's not being advertised!
Yes it is. Just because they waited until the movie came out to start shilling it doesn't mean it's not getting shilled
>it looks ugly!
Normalfags are still consooming Family Guy which is like one step above videos of Caillou getting grounded, and they also don't give a shit that Invincible has worse animation than Undertale fan animations from a decade ago that were made for free. They do not give a single flying shit how a cartoon looks
>boys don't want a wimpy beta faggot protag!
Two of the most popular characters in the world are a wagecuck who cries every other episode and a fat Italian manlet who sounds like he huffs helium all day
>the protag is brown!
Didn't stop Moana 2 from making a billion dollars, and Maui in that movie is somehow even uglier than this mutt
>it's a combination of all the above!
The Spider-Verse movies are disgusting to look at, have an unlikeable beta male protag who even gets usurped by a woman, never got any advertising until the last minute, and have a non-white protagonist. The second made 700 million dollars, and the third one is all but guaranteed to make more.

The point I'm trying to make is that normalfags and children have no standards whatsoever, and saying they do is largely just projection (if understandable). There is absolutely nothing in this movie that would piss them off in any way, shape, or form. The real reason it's flopping is because some more capeslop comes out in a couple weeks and they don't want to wait any longer than they legally have to to see it. If they waste money on this they'll have to wait for a few more paychecks, and normalcattle would rather die than wait a few more weeks to see some soulless capeshit they'll forget about in a day.

>>149130943
FPBP

>>149136916
cope

>>149136689
kys birchy

>>149136916
The movie is just uninteresting, it's that simple. Most people will just wait for it to come to Disney+.

>>149136879
I can appreciate a movie making attractive female characters also make twisted, wild expressions. They understand what most people want beauty while bending the rules for comedic effect.

>>149137084(me)
pic somewhat related

>>149132646
>God damn the nu pixar style is freakin hard to look at
Worst part is that, unlike their older movies, they are really sticking to a style
The older movies tried out multiple styles, which looked somewhat similar to one another, but not pretty much the same
So we're probably not seeing this fuck ugly style go away

>>149131093
So most superhero films?

>>149131337
Are people right now just less creative or something? I swear, these mainstream studios feel like they just HAPPEN to be running into the same specific plot points and beats as each other. Elio even had a scrapped scene where Elio's clone has an emotional breakdown and the real Elio has to hug it to calm it down, paralell to Steven Universe.

>>149137091
I assume this robot is a villain in the game's story because I can't imagine that viewpoint being allowed in a modern game.

>>149137140
>So we're probably not seeing this fuck ugly style go away
No, for the same reason that the Frozen/Tangled style isn't going away... Disney/Pixar has a fuckton of preexisting assets in said aesthetic now and they're going to reuse them as much as humanly possible to cut down on workload. We already know from Elio's production history they made major changes to the plot and setting to reuse existing assets, and Disney movies have been shamelessly reskinning models since 2010. Reused digital assets are the "retraced animation" of the new century, only it's much more noticeable now because previous movies are all readily available.

>>149137205
>Are people right now just less creative or something?
Yes. Modern animators like to blame the studios for not "paying animators more" but the independent portfolio work these people churn out is dogshit as well. The talent is dying.

>>149137205
>Are people right now just less creative or something?
Lack of actual creativity is the industry is part of the problem, but lack of clear creative vision is the other. The film industry is predominantly driven by accountants and actuaries now rather than actors, directors, writers, etc. Even when movies do hire people with real talent, there's little-to-no support for a creative team to make anything that falls too far outside the standard deviation of what the studio executives expect, even if what they expect isn't very interesting or exciting because "it's the safe investment". There are dozens of cases *that we know about* of live action movies getting major reshoots a few months before release or animated films starting over from scratch halfway through production because of "creative differences" between directors and executives.

It's hard to stand out when everything that stands out gets hammered down.

>>149130923 (OP)
Yeah, I thought it was decent. Too bad it'll flop because Pixar has killed their reputation

>>149130943
Based and true

>the thousandth thread where a pedophile pretends his desire to fuck a cartoon child makes a mediocre piece of shit a great movie that we're all supposed to celebrate and love
>somehow this is supposed to make /co/ provide pedo porn for him.
I used to side with the "it's just a drawing" or "it's not real" crowd on principle, but I'm really starting to think you mentally ill faggots need to have your brains splattered.

>>149136689
This past year I’ve been going to the movies averaging like once a month, but there is never a worthwhile animated movie playing anymore outside of the occasional anime flick, so I’ve mostly been settling on horror movies or special event streams instead. If I had nothing else to do Saturday I’d probably go see Elio, but my friends would rather go out to festivals on the weekends this time of year so it’s not a high priority for such a mid looking movie. When a studio puts out an actual good movie I can fet hype for I’ll make sure to go watch it, but this slop isn’t worth the effort.

>>149130943
Fpbp

>>149131343
Up, The Incredibles and Ratatouille have human leads and are considered a classic
Inside Out has a human lead who is a teenager girl and both films are massive successes
Soul didn't go to theaters but critics loved it
It's not the humans who are the problem

>>149137210
The villain of the game is the French

>>149130923 (OP)
I don't know how there was poor marketing , I lots of ads for it. I even saw tie in ads with McDonalds and ink pens.

>>149138933
The "poor marketing" was allowing people to see the movie and how bland and ugly it looked

>>149137210
It's a game from a french company. They'll say what they want.

>>149138933
It's because normies see the artstyle and immediately think it's woke garbage.
Normies are noticing the faggot agenda and are voting with their wallets.

>>149130943
FPBP

>>149130923 (OP)
It just looks so fucking boring bro, why can't motherfuckers understand! I see this shit online on "Why can't people like this movie!? Why!? All the dumbass Pixar fans just don't understand that no one likes this fucking safe and medicore looking bullshit, like a neutered dog trying to bark after an operation, it's pathetic!
>>149136916
All the shit you cited that normies like, you know why they like them? Because they're not boring, Elio is boring and dull as fuck!

>>149139127
kys birchy

>>149139243

>>149130923 (OP)
It looks generic as shit

>>149139705
God, this looks even more obnoxious in motion.

>>149136916
Grubhub perks give you deals on the foods you love

>>149130943
The King post.

>>149136916
Well you only used one Disney movie to compare Elio to in this post- and it was Moana- princess movies have always been the exception to the rule but overall Disney/Pixar has been held the standard of white protagonists in white movies doing white sh*t and people are tired of the “inclusivity”- that bubble has burst and the masses want the old Disney formula back

>>149130923 (OP)
Fuck CalArts.

Cal-Arts?
More like cow farts!

>>149130943
fippybippy

Elio?
More like Ewww. No.

>>149130943
This. I don't care if it's the best movie in the universe. The art style is horrid. If I do watch it, it's by proxy like other people are watching it and I'm just there.

>>149130943
From what I see people don't even want it for free.
I think they solved piracy, no one will pirate your movie if no one wants to watch it.

>>149130923 (OP)
The big issue for me is this steven universe ass art style.

>>149130923 (OP)
>piss poor marketing
Prove it. My brother took a trip to Mexico two weeks ago and ran into Elio advertising there.

>>149143632
I have never seen a single Elio ad, glad they hanged up some billboards in Mexico though

>>149130923 (OP)
All I see is this.

https://youtu.be/G-T3qKl6y-c

>>149130923 (OP)
nice movie, I liked it

>>149130943
tHe aRt stYle kiLled iT

>>149130923 (OP)
>From what I've read, Elio ended up being a good movie
It did?

>>149143917
yeah me too

You guys sure love to erase threads that disagree with you and keeping lying threads like these from being archived for days.

>>149130923 (OP)
>From what I've read
Why don't you think for yourself? Watch the movie and form your own opinion.

>>149130943
Cool it with the antisemitism, anon

>>149131143
Shotas are cute and beautiful. Elio is something you'd call SD.

>>149130923 (OP)
Everything I've seen indicates that it's aggressively mid and not worth paying movie ticket prices for, but just good enough to warrant being streamed.

>>149130923 (OP)
>Disney movie bombs
>"Actually it was pretty good"

>>149130923 (OP)
TOP 10 WORST MOVIES YOU CAN FIND AT THE BARGIN BIN

>>149131292
uncanny

>>149146180
This looks better, it's objectively a better design.

>>149137205
Yes, this is what happens when a society goes from being a capitalist meritocracy to a socialist one.

>>149130943
Kpop yuri > elio

>>149130943
Fpbp

>>149143975
Is this supposed to be a counter example?
It's just proof that normies are really into the "Nintendo hire this man" "OMG it looks just like real life!" type of visuals.

Will heads roll for this?

>>149130923 (OP)
>From what I've read
What HAVE you read, anon?

waiting for the saberfart vid before forming an opinion

>>149130943
I remember /co/ being the biggest defenders of bean mouth shit years ago

>>149147669
There are still a few anons here and there who defend it.

>>149146180
I would rather watch a movie with that character.

Its not a good movie. Its a predictable shallow saturday morning cartoon episode stretched into a movie

>>149130943
fpbp
shit story = no buy
shit art style = no buy

>>149137205
>Are people right now just less creative or something?
No, the more competent artists just had a mass exodus from the industry and switched to doing independent work / patreon / gumroad / whatever. Those big studios don't hook the best people anymore.

>>149148878
*I wrote artist, but I really meant creatives in general.

>>149130923 (OP)
>The big issue at hand for it was
I don't give a fuck about some gay-ass spic cyclops.

>>149130943
This too.

>>149131292
When I check Elio threads, I always want to see how long it takes for this to get posted. It's funny every time

>>149146666
Satan quads confirm.

>>149140745
based mungposter

>>149147669
They still do that, guess they're hiding

>>149130923 (OP)
Shills blaming a lack of marketing can be proven wrong by simply turning on broadcast television for an hour. I've seen a minimum of three Elio commercials a day.

>>149130923 (OP)
Make a movie that isn't about a child character and maybe I'll consider watching your shitty CGsloppa.

>>149130943
also this. This style is associated with two things: Low budgety Cartoon Network trash and troons.

>>149130923 (OP)
>>149130943

>>149131047
WAIT HTTYD ALREADY RELEASED????

>>149131643
Top kek

>>149132435
I actually really liked Lone Ranger

>>149147321
Promotions will

>>149131292
Dios mio.......

>>149130943
T H I S
H
I
S

>>149137205
It does parallel SU but was it trying to say anything?
Steven hugging his Pink self was more about him seeing the truth while also showing the truth to White Diamond proving that he is him and revealing that her world's foundation is as fragile as her sense of self
It also can be seen as Pink Diamond finally standig up against White and choosing to be Steven which adds another layer to it
But in this it just seems like a pretentious "love yourself because... wholesome and heartfelt!!!" Then again pixar movies are knwon for their one super tear-jerker scenes so maybe they just wanted to reach their tear quota.

>>149150853
>broadcast television
>2025
They still make them?!

>>149150990
>>149130943
you guys have some serious problem. There are still "bean-mouth" complainers on this day?

I thought it had died on with all the porn made from turning red.

>>149151096
Bad things don't magically turn good with time. It'll still be ugly and disgusting in 100 years too.

>>149151096
Nobody cares about your bleeding vag porn faggot

>>149150949
You... WATCHED The Lone Ranger?

>>149133632
The movie's good. Just not something groundbreaking or with very much to talk about after watching it.

>>149152314
He isn't alone there, the train scene was nice.

>>149130923 (OP)
>gay little blob boy crying about his feelings
Steven Universe did irreparable damage to western animation

>>149130923 (OP)
>The big issue at hand for it was piss poor marketing damaging it's performance.
Today was the FIRST TV ad I've seen for it.

>>149153029
You haven't been paying attention then. Advertising's been everywhere for this movie

The movie needed at least one hot alien and some Aunt Olga fanservice

>>149130943
BASED

>>149154686
Her ass is too small. That's the real reason this shit is flopping.

>>149150903
>Released June 13th
>June 13th
>13th
The fuck. I thought that shit would come out in July.

>>149146170
Well yeah.
I dont need to watch it in theaters when I can wait and watch it on Disney+.

what is it even about?

>>149155222
generational trauma

>worst Pixar opening ever
Glordon doesn't deserve this...

>>149155283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80cvsDyk5Y

>>149130923 (OP)
>The big issue at hand for it was piss poor marketing damaging it's performance.
yeah it's called "disney movies of the past decade". even the biggest consoomer will eventually get turned off

>>149137205
I geninely think we are finally finding an unforeseen consequence of the wide access to information the internet enabled in the past 19 years, especifically in the last 13 or so with the profissionalization of youtubers, which is: homogenization of creative endeavors.
Everyone who is 20 - 30 working on the industry nowadays learned art from the same half a dozen youtube tutorials. I had this realization a few weeks ago when I was browsing artstation and watching a youtube channel named Artwod, it finally clicked in my mind that these people are all drinking from the same fountain, this Artwod fella was teaching the same thing Sinix design was teaching 10 years ago for example, all the concept designs in artstation look the same when it is about stylized cartoony characters

>>149131343
the moment they evicted Lasseter and put DEI hires in charge*

>>149155556
I will continue my point with examples, if you browse deviantart and try to find stylized burly characters you will noticed very soon what i'm trying to say. All these characters were designed by different artists but they look like they came from the same person. Now Look at Sinix design videos and you will see his characters also look like this.

>>149137548
the actual creative ones (mostly white males) got booted out

>>149155644
Now look at the concept art for alice in wonderland, look at all the different takes and moods the different artists were going for, each one is unique and has a vision, maybe it is because the process of learning art wasn't so homogenized in the 40's?

>>149155703
To finish my point, there is a story about Abe, the character designer for Lain and Hahibane Renmei. He got hired to draw character sheets and concept art for Lain but he never done such a job before, so he just made a bunch of moody drawings and presented it to the producers, a bunch of the staff got confused by one producer just laughed and said "keep making more"

>>149155703
To further prove my point, here is concept art for turning red, 3 artists, barely any difference in style

>>149138124
The Incredibles is a love letter to superheroes and arguably the best superhero movie ever made (that script is so dense and so purposeful it's insane). Ratatouille is a love letter to art and artists in general packaged in a comedic narrative. Inside Out uses emotions WITHIN a character as leads more than the character herself.

While I agree that humans aren't the problem, the real problem is they've stopped trying to do "life of X explored through a universally comprehensible narrative" between their obligatory retreads of previous IPs. Director/writer autobiography approaches just do not resonate with people as well. The problem isn't even that the stories are too specific (they pull it off with Coco just fine) - it's more that Pixar fails to package those personal stories into a work that's more understandable to general audiences, and fails to artistically stylize the results to be recognizable from each other (or Disney's other animation).

When there are a couple Illumination movies with more recognizable themes and aesthetics than half a dozen recent movies from Pixar, it's hard not to conclude that Pixar has effectively lost its creative soul.

TL;DR: This should've just been a movie about the aliens.

>>149130923 (OP)
Terrible character design that is inspired by Grubhub and Steven Universe from Pixar is just inexcusable

This movie was fine, except for starting bullshit we didn't need. The space parts were the best part.

>>149155800
Inside out is a boring autobiography tho, pixar went downhill there

>>149136202
He's like Steven Universe, fat and racially ambiguous
But the one thing people can percieve is that just like SU he's a fag who cries about his feelings and that's how he solves his problems

>>149136916
>Maui
You mean the samoan fucker built like a house who punches things?
Yeah that's a cool character boys of all races can get behind, a faggy lardboy with an eyepatch being a faggy lardboy is insteresting exactly to nobody except childless women and even they have limits

I'm the type of guy that keeps forgetting that Owen Wilson is Lighting McQueen. He's that good.

>>149137205
Nigga all of those calarts faggots are basically copies of each other, same backgrounds, same hobbies, same opinions, same uninteresting lives, same love for anime mixed in with hatred of anime, they're all the same person over and over and over again

>>149147669
/co/mblr is the anti-/v/ in that it will whiteknight and champion whatever dogshit happens to be popular at the moment purely because it's popular

see the has been hotel threads for reference

>>149155556
>>149155644
>>149155703
>>149155731
And that's why a lot of artists ape anime artstyle and why AI is becoming a thing
It doesn't matter, the writing is still dogshit

>>149136767
das racist!!!!!!!!!!

>>149136202
people watched encanto and coco in droves

>>149156317
wwwooooooooaaaaawwwwwwww

>>149130943
FPBP

>>149156853
We weren’t having ICE raids in the news every day when those came out.

>>149137205
Millennials think every story needs to be about therapy speak, anxiety and trauma and its why they can't make a good cartoon anymore.

>>149157211
Coco came out during peak "Build da wall!" and didn't suffer for it. Are you suggesting the general audience became more racist over the years?

>>149130923 (OP)
He looks bland and homosexual. No little boys would want to see this or be like him.

>>149130923 (OP)
Fuck off, you actual corporate shill.
>A-ACTUALLY THIS MOVIE'S REALLY GOOD A-AND YOU SHOULD SEE IT!
>I-IT WAS BAD MARKETING BUT GO SEE IT!!
You can punch out now, chief.

>>149131047
>They don't want to admit that the problem is THE MOVIE
Because these people are waiting in line to abuse Disney and Pixar resources so they can see their own personal livejournal entries and childhood traumas be worked out in 3d animation. Basically all of these Disney movies are thinly veiled personal projects and autobiographies and they should be absolutely culled but they aren't and "creatives" who know this won't care to rock the boat. They just want to be the latest to watch their own personal trauma hit the big screen, resonate with like three thousand other people who grew up around the same time frame or in the same country and little else.

>>149130923 (OP)
fpbp

>>149155644
>>149155703
>>149155731
>>149155794
You're comparing industry hacks, wannabes, and literal deviantartlets to deceased masters whose oeuvre has stood the test of time. Of course the comparison looks dire. I actually agree that way too many talentless fags draw in that shitty, glossy, toyetic Blizzard style, or the CalArts style, or [insert industry style]; but that's just because they THINK that is what is demand, because it WAS in demand in the recent past. They're chasing a job with a proven thing.
You don't have to go far to see some 3000-10000 follower Twitter artist doing hot shit, but no one is hiring based off of genuine originality and investors are risk averse. So it goes.

>>149136202
I don't think so, no. His hair style makes it so that he can reach any audience where the race has long hair. Elio can be latino, eskimo, indian, asian, white, whatever. That's not the issue. The issue is that he looks super gay. They designed a male character and didn't want any feedback from the audience he's supposed to reach so Elio reaches no one but the safe moms who made him.

>>149157545
Yes.

>>149130943
I'd only see a movie with this style if its story content was contrastingly grimdark and edgy

>>149146463
How has no one shooped that sushi roll into a cock yet?

>>149158195
He looks and acts like a gay dweeby little shit that kids naturally want to bully and beat up. Kids like shows about cool heroic kids like Nezuko and Tanjiro, not retard dorktards like Elio.

>>149157896
The only kids who see this are forced to go by their Disney wine moms. Compared to vidya or Skibbidy Toilet or Amazing Digital Circus, a trip to the theater to see Elio is basically considered a 2 hour punishment.

>>149155703
These concepts look incredibly modern and based

>>149132422
>88%
For a pixar movie, that seems very low

Men like clear cut antagonists and villains. Evil is called out for what it is and is then cut down or put otherwise put away decisively and hard, for the benefit of all. Victory achieved through might, sacrifice and/or cunning. Lion King. Mulan. Tarzan. Aladdin. Hercules. These days all Disney movies are is a love letter to the various emotional trauma and mental scars the creator carries around and its never showcased in a good way that can truly resonate with audiences everywhere. And villains often end up being, like...the concept of family or something stupid that doesn't hit people because there's nothing behind it. You can't make the antagonist of a film a grandmother's overbearing concern for her family or something super incredibly LAME like that. Or about just rebellion for the sake of rebellion where nothing ends up better in the end like in Wish or Turning Red or Brave.

Elio needed a love interest at the absolute least. Couldn't even do that. Because this film wasn't for anyone. It's just cycling trauma for someone. I hear the stupid kid hugs himself which wins the day which is SUPER LAME. But this is actually great because the names "Disney" and "Pixar" don't mean anything anymore. They're not synonymous with words like "quality" or "masculinity" or "family" or "love". They're just meaningless company names now. They are no different than a brand of cereal I continuously overlook whenever I go to the grocery store. Everpresent. My eyes don't even register the logo. They just dance right over to something more familiar.

I thought one day I'd raise my children on Disney products. Pfft. Perish the thought.

>>149159104
When you look at the core fundamentals of most classic stories they all follow the heroic pattern and on some level stories that reach to the basics of human understanding. Good against evil. Love triumphing. Sacrifice and morality. Movies used to be made around that. Writers understood that. Even the lesser Disney films had all that. Not all of it is an absolute necessity but you need some of it. You need some big evil to face. You need some temptation. The hero needs a desire and to be pulled between that and the greater good. Aladdin gives up his third wish for Genie. Hercules risks his life to save Meg and only in that act does he become a genuine hero. Taran from the Black Cauldron gives up his sword for his friend. And while most of these heroes still ultimately achieve their goals or get their wish they learn to get it in a way that goes against their previous belief because they grew.

All the best movies have some grand foe, one that often became the highlight of the movie itself. But now the foes are less an embodiment of evil they're just petty naysayers. Heroes don't become heroic to challenge them. It's all just pathetic self actualization from the children who write this crap who were upset someone once probably told them NO. Or that they simply want blind acceptance without growing out of their flaws. It's absolutely self centered dross.

torrenting the movie bros. gonna see in a while. maybe tomorrow.

>>149159310
get faster internet

>>149159267
>It's absolutely self centered dross.
And the people who project onto these characters or participated in this project or worse--*knew* someone who worked on the project and thus gets offended on their behalf as if that changes anything--get offended when you point this out as opposed to taking a step back and wondering how their behavior could have contributed to a conclusion.

Your post was well written btw.

>>149136916
The main issue is the title. The title fucking sucks. The Pixar movies that performed the best at the box office had titles that gave a brief high-level snapshot of what the film was about: Inside Out is about the emotions inside us personified, Toy Story is a story about toys coming to life, Ratatouille is about French cuisine and rats (and works as a pun too), Monsters Inc is about an energy corporation run by monsters etc. Elio is about... Elio. It's such a boring title and it reveals nothing about the character or the world he lives in. Imagine if Toy Story was just 'Andy', or Monsters Inc. was called 'Sully'.

>>149131292
Holy fuck, did they based this shot on diddy kong?

>>149159422
I HALF agree with you. Thing is both Toy Story and Monsters Inc would also look distinct enough from their posters to catch people's attentions just from the main characters. You see a movie called Andy with a sassy talking toy Sheriff or if Monsters Inc was called Sully and Mike you'd still see some monsters. Ellio is just some random kid though so something punchier really does need to be used. Luca also had the problem of not really showing what the movie was about and Brave despite not being named after the heroine was also mis-marketed. And many Disney movies were named after the title character, though to be fair in those instances they were more famous stories to start with.

Bruh, i can tell why dreamworks and sony animation have been kicking Disney's ass in the last few years.

>>149159104
Schizo rant

>>149130923 (OP)
>people expecting this movie, released less than a month after Disney's hyped-up live-action remake AND a week after Disney's chief rival's hyped-up live-action remake, to make blockbuster money.

They basically made this movie twice; Disney clearly wanted it gone the second it was in the can, regardless if it's well-received. We're lucky this didn't go straight to Disney+ or Zaslav'd into a vault.

>>149160132
>We're lucky

>>149160132
>We're lucky this didn't go straight to Disney+ or Zaslav'd into a vault.
Why?

>>149159422
Good point. The title insists upon the character. I mean, Moana did it. But Moana has good singing from Auli the lead and star power like The Rock talent like Lin Manuel behind it. I can count on one hand the number of promotional material I've seen for this film.

>>149159586
>Disney movies were named after the title character, though to be fair in those instances they were more famous stories to start with
Yeah Disney gets a pass because they're adapting old stories where the name is already familiar (snow white, cinderella etc). Pixar is taking literal whos and making them the title

>>149159589
Kpop should've been the one in theaters desu

>>149130943
I think the unification of different studios and creators in Beanmouths because is the definition of "Western animation".
Compare with the definition of Anime: Pentagon faces and leotards, western design is now Beanmouths

>>149161436
rhomb

>>149131047
>They don't want to admit that the problem is THE MOVIE

This movie is plagiarism of The Last Starfighter and Haruhi Suzumiya

>>149157211
Wouldn't that make people LESS racist?

>>149131343
Their recent original works have been a little on the nose as the writers' trauma dumping their own childhood issues which have also been generic as fuck

>>149157940
you sound angry

>>149136916
>wagecuck
Working isn't bad, Redditor

>>149161468
That's just an expression, it doesn't have that design all the time.

>>149162459
it literally is though

>>149143632
Funny you mention that, Mexico city was the only place I saw Strange World marketed at all too

is there no camrip for this

>>149151067
Probably some moral about befriending the lonely kid before they shoot up the school.

>>149130943
I KNEEL

>>149130943
This

>>149131236
Don't people always double the budget for marketing?

>>149130923 (OP)
Meh, call me when gets his shit handed to him by Cragmite and I might see it.

>>149163778
No, the “double up” rule is for a film’s “break even point” where any further gross past the 2x budget point is pure profit for the studio.

A film’s marketing budget is a separate expense that is usually an additional 50% of a film’s regular budget. This expense is usually made back via merch sales and physical media sales but since moth seem to be going the way of the dodo then the next best thing is to add it to the film’s general budget.

So Elio has a 150 million general budget with a $300 million “break even” point and a 75 million marketing budget which may or may not boost that break even point by another $150 million.

>>149159104
>>149159267
Man you guys would love the Critical drinker.

He's just as fucking retarded as you.

>>149130943
This.

>>149160132
Wish more stuff related to the movie leaked if anything because it's interesting, will have fun comparing the artbook once someone scans it. It might actually be the end of "beanmouth" style movies from Pixar for awhile unless they have other shorts in production. I know there was a canned movie that used that same style, it's definitely active choice at Pixar for whatever reason.

>>149163725
dude's got some Moves

>>149130923 (OP)
Nah Ellio is just an ugly design. Him being a taco munching orange picker had nothing to do with anything in the film and just hurt the performance even more. Could have actually made bank if this was a little white kid.

>>149165041
Doubt it honestly, Coco did fine. The delay and rewrites probably hurt it more, it was supposed to come out last year when beanmouth fatigue hadn't set in quite yet.

Having seen the movie, I think it's a cute little 3/5 movie. But I can see why it's flopping. It does nothing to attract little boys. There are no spaceship battles, no lasers, no missiles, nothing. The aliens are too cutesy and not cool. The only cool aliens are the villains, and even they are cute on the inside. I can't imagine myself as a kid thinking
>I wanna a toy of that alien!

The climax is so freaking lame. They have to dodge space debris. That's it. The space station is under siege by aliens and that's what they come up with as the climax?

They should've had more men in creative roles of the production or just made the protagonist a little girl.

>>149155872
Am I crazy for finding the grounded earth stuff far more interesting? I could see the Grigon redemption coming soon as he revealed his desire to join the Communiverse, a collective of mostly forgettable aliens anyway. Outside of the bonding scenes with Glordon, I was WAY more invested in what was going on with Olga and the military base and the bullies.

>>149130923 (OP)
Pixar was following the tradition of early Disney, creating stories that resonate with traditional American families. They focused on "human" stories that anyone in any culture can relate to, as long as they value family, kindness, loyalty, etc. The basics of what all of Humanity can agree on is good.

But we're 20 years into progressive moral relativism and we can't really define good or evil anymore. A young mom abandoning her child to the State to focus on her career can be argued as "good" by a chunk of modern audiences. Prince Charming could never rescue a princess as it would undermine her power. Creative fields are entirely dominated by women, gay men, with straight men who are terrified of the women and gay men who run the field. So there is no masculinity entering the product. The Male and Female mind are different, and when both perspectives come together to tell stories they can resonate with everyone... but modern animation has become dominated by Female stories and the Male part of the package has been erased... that's why all these new family movies feel off in some indescribable way, because there is 0 male perspective. Not to mention these movies are all ideologically captured by extreme Hollywood progressivism.

Elio should be interesting. I love seeing what some of the top artists in the world can do given a blank canvass to invent their own alien creatures and worlds, that should be beautiful to behold! But instead, I see minority military aunts and brown kids and all I think about are modern politics and the US's current demographic war for domination. It makes me completely uninterested in seeing more, because I just know already that this is going to be another feminized tale that tries to check the boxes on a heartwarming family movie but has zero masculine identity and will end up soulless.

>>149155556
A lot of the top tier concept artists are trying to warn new artists recently. DO NOT USE OTHER ART AS REFERENCE. Want to draw an alien? Pull pictures of nature. People? Use real photos of people. All great art is the interpretation of reality, but Pinterest and modern internet data has allowed for an unprecedented trove of other art references to steal and borrow from... leading to regurgitation and distillation of art styles.

I'm just as guilty of it after doing 10 years of character design. I have so many reference boards filled with art from artists I love... and I so often find my own works derivative. We've all been taught to reference reference reference and I don't think we realized how bad it was for everyone to regurgitate art.

>>149163910
>rent-free
>no argument

>>149164343
>>149163767
>>149150990
NUTS!

>>149159267
Elio did make sacrifices, though. One where he volunteered to speak with Grigon and then when he gave up his position on the intergalactic council.

>>149166253
GOTEEM

>>149163910
Rent free, my man.

>>149130943
>>149151096
It's a visual medium designed to impress by looks alone. It is a valid stance to have.

and even then, what actually happened to
>In matters of taste the customer is always right?
People do not like this and do not want to spend money on it, that is their choice. If they decide not to watch it after a first glance at a poster, that is also their own valid choice.
The response should be that the studio that made it, make some changes to attract viewers. Not to get mad and start insulting the viewers, that only drives them even more away, while driving away other potential customers too. It has to be 100% attractive to customers in every single way ever. Somehow they lost sight of this. It is completely 100% a one-sided situation of studio must attract, and that's it. No other steps on part of the customer.

>>149158853
That is a big part of it. The aging tumblr freaks in the leadership positions in studios really need to have it drilled into their heads that kids like cool, attractive heroes that do fun things like buff action guys or pretty princesses. They are not interested in the quirky "He's a loser freak just like you!" relatable loser main character. They don't want to relate to a loser kid that is shown to be fucked up and sad on screen.

>>149168754
"The customer is always right" isn't meant to be taken literally, it doesn't even apply here

>>149168775
We need more aspirational heroes in general. Kids want to be a cool thief with hearts like Aladdin or heroic figures like Hercules. Nobody's hero is going to be doughey looking gay kid

>>149168844
Explain to me how it doesn't work here.

>40 million so far

>150 million budget

Oof, I guess they figured they had a flop and decided not to advertise.

>>149161581
Despite all the harping about the need for diversity it's wild how all their ideas are coming from the same pool of upper-middle and beyond urban youths.

>>149159104
The movie literally had a clear and defined villain

>>149168987
You'd think it would apply more in the entertainment industry

>>149168844
Can't help but notice you dropped the whole
>In Matters of Taste
part of the saying. Which applies in every single consumer transaction no matter what every single time.

Basically if a consumer likes something, they will buy it, if they do not like it they will not buy it. It's that simple of a cause/effect relationship.

In this case they see the posters, see a trailer, and decide not to waste their time, they are correct in doing that because that is their opinion to have and their choice to make. You know "My money, my choice to spend it" kind of thing.

>>149169030
Exactly, entertainment is a luxury good. There is no necessity or survival aspect to it. It is purely what people want to spend on according to their own tastes. Entertainment companies cannot really afford to fuck with people or anger them since there is no major incentive that causes people to have to come back even if they are unhappy like say a power company or a grocery store.

>>149168987
>>149169045
>>149169075
God damn you are stupid.
Customers wanting is the fucking problem here. Their wants are driven completely by grifters scammers and politicians telling them what they want. The IDIVIDLALS TASTESS is pure bullshit driven by a cult of civic leaders browbeating them into never giving something a chance or discovering anything for themselves just because they see a brown kid or a woman on a fucking poster.

Ever heard of never judge a book by it's cover? Well you are literally defending judging books by their covers.

>>149169045
>Haha this saying means I'm right 100% of the time and there's nothing you can do about it
White person detected, it's a backhanded phrase
Customers are, famously, stupid as fuck, you just have to pretend they have good taste

>>149168987
Because its completely wrong in every single way imaginable. I shouldn't even have to explain it.

>>149169123
>you just have to pretend they have good taste
...that's why the phrase is correct. You HAVE to accept their answer even if you hate it and think they are retarded for it. It's their money and they are going to spend it on what they want to spend it on. You cannot make them do it, you have to kiss ass and hope they give it to you.

>>149155800
>TL;DR: This should've just been a movie about the aliens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVLoc6FrLi0

>>149168754
Okay this is the whitest thing I have seen on here in a long time and there are legions of assholes literally chanting racist catchphrases hourly on this board.

You are full of shit, and a comfy little spoiled upper middle class rich boy that has never worked before. Congratulations you have no opinion that I will not discard from this point forward.

>>149130943
Fpbp, not watching
>calarts but in 3D

>>149169123
>Customers are, famously, stupid as fuck, you just have to pretend they have good taste

That is the actual definition of the phrase. No matter what they want, they are right because they are the one paying and the seller wants their money so they always smile and eat shit.

>>149136916
>a fat Italian manlet who sounds like he huffs helium all day
The fat Italian is the icon of an industry dominated by boys for 40 years now, his series is heavily inspired by Popeye, and has a bunch of power-ups to play around with which also attracts boys, this is reductionism and a disingenuous comparison to justify why boys don't like your onions tumblr calarts fanfic

>>149169361
You know what else he does?
Consistently get violent beating the shit out of enemies everywhere. Mario is always punching, kicking, and otherwise beating up and roasting his enemies alive any time they meet.

>>149169585
You know what else he is?
A pudgy short awkward guy that is picked on by others and has panic attacks. Yet still the highest grossing movie of the year anyway.

>>149130943
fpbp
I saw commercials and even ads on the buses, so it wasn’t a marketing issue. I think people are fatigued with this grubhub-esque art style.

>>149130923 (OP)
The initial look works against it. At a first glance it looks like another cartoon about a weird awkward chubby kid that cries a lot. It's not too inspiring and people don't want to give it a chance. Especially not from the same people that made a series about weird awkward kids having panic attacks that happens to look exactly like this.

>>149169781
...Despite those new factors that were never a thing in a 40 year old iconic franchise.

>>149169871
Why is everything panic attacks now? Most of the time they don't even have real crises. "Oh no the sport ball game is getting too heated!" My grandppa who spent a portion of his life getting shot at in a trench was more well adjusted.

>>149147669
Was this before or after 2016? Because in 2016 I remember vividly thread after thread complaining about CalArts designs being in every god damned animated product. Routinely shit on. Really makes you think. Maybe you should go back to Tumblr or reddit and kill yourself instead of telling everyone how things used to be here.

>>149130923 (OP)
I don't care what people think of it. I'm not watching this garbage.

>>149168992
that's the best part, they did

>>149130923 (OP)
At first glance I couldn't figure out what this is supposed to be about. It's a movie about aliens yet all of the characters look bland and uninspiring. There's supposed to be a pleasant visual element to these Pixar movies and we saw none of it. I think this art style has been associated with so many bland animated products and it was immediately written off. Why would anyone be enticed to see a movie that at first glance fails to do anything to show off? I don't want to watch some unfunny fatso run away into the night.

>>149131292
Was one his parents a monkey?

>>149132422
>Elio is fucking winner.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

>>149132422
Yay!!

>>149130943
THIS. Fuck off calarts faggots

>>149130943
Fpbp

>>149130923 (OP)
its a shit nortubel rip off

>>149130943

>>149169921
The sort of hysteric retards that ride the nepotism train into the writers room think that panic attacks are some kind of universally relatable experience.

>>149130943
Pay to see another movie and sneak into this

>>149130923 (OP)
Sometimes it's not the marketing, it's the fact that people don't want to see it. You can tell people about a product, but you can't force them to buy it.

>>149159104
>Men like clear cut antagonists and villains.
I'm a man and I like large casts with complex webs of motivations

>>149169871
holy fuck look at that kid in the top right

>>149170948
Better off paying for this when it's on discount and watch a rerun of some good old movie.

>>149169921
>Why is everything panic attacks now?
It's an advertiser- and soccer-mom-friendly kind of mental breakdown. It's to instill into children the idea that the only valid extreme emotions are those connected to passivity and victimhood to create a more easily-controlled and de-masculinized population.

>>149171061
> giving your money to the less deserving movie
for shame

cute movie

>>149159310
just watched. its a solid 7.5/10, would like that Elio suffered a little more and that the final was more bittersweet but its a cartoon for kids anyway.

the major alien fanatic guy was my favorite part of the movie. Also the moments with Elio and the Alien boy where adorable.
the movie is comfortable to watch, has homage to X-files with suspense/horror scenes. Nothing revolutionaire tho. Its fine. Better than Strange World.

>>149137091
>>149137210
This quote doesn't really hit when it's dropped into a fucking Rabbids game.

>>149156439
Hazbin Hotel isn't championed, not even at the height of its popularity. If you actually looked at those threads, even earlier on, people constantly poke fun at Vivziepop and Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss for being rightfully shit.

What you're actually talking about is just people lusting over some of the characters. Which is literally just normal for /co/, has been normal for /co/, and will continue to be normal for /co/. It's pretty collectively agreed that it's shit, some people just jerk off to the characters.