Wow, this was kino. What else should I read from Tom King? I avoided him because of trolls pretending he's bad but he can't be bad if he makes kino like this.

If you don't mind him shitting all over established characters just to tell yet another story about how sad he is that he worked with people who did bad things during Gulf War 2, you'll probably like most of his stuff.

I read this and I genuinely can't remember what the fuck the plot was. Something about Strange being involved in a coverup cause he initiated a war, but the opposing alien nation were actually evil anyways and his reason was good so there's no real dilemma and Mr. Terrific was there or something.

>>149391286 (OP)
I don't understand how anyone can have a positive opinion on this. King is a very shallow person and he's so shallow that his crap doesn't even allow people to properly discuss his work
>hurr durr mischaracterization
>hurr durr you can mischaracterize for a good story
But that's the problem, isn't it? He doesn't do it for a good story, he does it for a bad story in which everyone talks the same. It's not so much that he doesn't respect continuity because fuck that but he doesn't have any love or appreciation for the characters, Adam Strange is a no good semi incompetent piece of shit in this for example. Everyone threw a bitchfit over Wally in Heroes in Crisis but this was a way worse handling of a character and some of the same people are ok with it this time. Hypocrites.
I hate the word pretentious, especially since it's always misused but Tom King is an actual pretentious twat.

>>149391286 (OP)
Hi Tom. Piss off.

>>149391304
And this is what I mean, even if you ignore all that crap he's still an idiot. The way he writes the wars is stupid as hell. In the first half you never get the sense that they're losing in the Rann half of the story and you're only told of it in the last quarter and it just makes no sense, just how it makes no sense to be in a full blown intergalactic war and you still have talk shows on tv and the people on it are defending a guy that they barely knew (because he was mostly a hero on Rann, not earth) over the usual Earth heroes that have saved the Earth a million times. It's asinine.
And the way it's presented, he has no sense of urgency in anything, he makes war look so mundane, there's no sense of danger.
Thye man simply cannot write for shit. Here for example is his idea of romance, this is what he considers a compelling and strong romance story, basically
>I fell in love with you at first sight lmao

>>149391308
You're made to beleive that Adam Strange at some point started using "unhonorable tactics" to win the war on Rann and genocide this invading force that in the story you're told they wiped out thousands of planets before but they're honorable fighters even though Adam starts being ruthless after his daughter dies. Turns out, he just made a deal with them where they pretend to lose the war on Rann but they'll later go attack Earth and because Adam will be there as their mole and feed them information they'll win this, oh and his daughter is not dead, she is being held a prisoner until then. At the end when Alana fins out she gets into a scuffle with Adam, accidentally kills him and then goes to their mother ship with Mr. Terrific and rescues their daughter, yes, that easy. Oh and then she decides to go on Rann because that invading force will be back now that the deal with Adam is no longer in place but she's leaving her daughter in the care of Mr. Terrific whom she didn't even now until a month or so back.

>>149391308
>Strange's planet gets invaded by a vastly superior enemy
>somehow he beats them by rallying various chucklefucks to fight back
>turns out he never really won, he actually struck a deal with the invaders
>they would pretend to lose to him so he could be a hero, and in return he would help them invade Earth
That's what I remember from it anyway.

And I just wanted to clarify on why he is pretentious. Some idiots like to say that "he's a good writer but not a good superhero writer" but the man is a capebab through and through, a manchild that still plays with action figures. If any of these people even bothered to listen to him talk in a podcast or something they'd know he's a self declared Marvel zombie and when he was getting his break in comics someone at DC arranged for him to meet Karen Berger to pitch something for Vertigo and he was like "ughh, Vertigo? I don't read that. Make mine Marvel!". All he reads is superhero comics, so the fact that he still kind of looks down upon them is incredibly pretentious, he considers himself above it, but he stays at that level. People really want to paint him as an Alan Moore inspired guy but he's not, his vocabulary is very limited and the characters often resort to these very childish ways of talking where it's simple words repeated over and over, it's always "bad guys" and "good guys" with him. He's actually Bendis, funnily enough, there's even one page of Alanna on the toilet in this.

What's his obsession with those scruffy beards?

>>149391418
He has issues. Not just mommy issues, but low self-esteem, napoleon complex and a need for validation. The tweet is from the day the last issue of Mr. Miracle dropped.

Another thing is his disdain for certain heroes. Like Batman is the only protagonist of his that wasn't hyper competent and got his ass handed to him and got talked down to by others. Usually it's only women that talk down to the useless men, this stems from the fact that he didn't have a male father figure in his life. Or look at Booster, he writes like like an actual tard, an actual single digit iq drooling retard.

>>149391440
So he self inserts? Is that why his protagonists are always such pathetic sadsacks? And did he really marry his own mother?

>>149391317
Did he not give this a once over before committing to it? There's nothing particularly interesting about this. Even the subversion to the subversion is pretty dull on paper.

>>149391578
I've never seen his way to see if she's considerably older than him but he's such a momma's boy that I'm willing to believe it.

>>149391286 (OP)
As a big fan of Mr. Terrific from his initial stint with the jsa, I found him abrasive and all around dickish in this mini. Do better Tom

>>149391593
The subversion of the subversion isn't even that terrible on paper but it's executed badly. Apparently the gap in the defenses only appears for a second and they can only exploit it because Adam Strange feeds them information. But at the end of the day, the Justice League is simply far too powerful compared to a man in a jetpack with a ray gun and some stone people and some lizardfolk with spears. And nobody can catch Adam leaking the information because. And Mr. Terrific learns a language out of thin air because. He spends half an issue with Alanna and Adam begging the stone people for help, an entire month where Rann didn't have their two best fighters in a full blown war just so Alanna can then say this shit. It's pathetic. It just makes no sense, just how these pykkt invaders are supposed to be "honorable fighters" or some shit.

>>149391631
To be fair he isn't dickish compared to all the other characters in this. When there are speech bubbles but no people on the page you have no idea who's saying what because everyone talks the same. The guy wants people to think he's smart so he writes tragedies because he knows comedy is low brow, he know that if you fart 8 out of 10 people will laugh and the other 2 are just holding it in to appear sophisticated, but a tragedy is harder to tell, you can trick 2 or maybe even 3 dimwits, but the other 7 or 8 will know you're an idiot.
And his humor is so lame and stupid and uninspired, his double date issue or two issues whatever it was from Batman was cringe incarnate but some people eat it up because there's no conflict, no shouting, no punching, just a soap opera with spandex. Mr. Terrific half naked in the gym lifting weights all sweaty while getting quizzed by Adam and Alanna's daughter was... an interesting choice for a page.

You're all haters, Tom King rules.

>>149391670
Yeah I think the first time I was truly baffled by a King comic was his attempts at humor in Mr. miracle. iirc there's some scenes about midway that show the aftermath of all these battles Scott and the other gods are fighting in. Anyway in these scenes there's these really awkward attempts at humor like Scott or Orion taking a piss after a battle. Been awhile since I've read it so my description sucks but the humor fell completely flat
>To be fair he isn't dickish compared to all the other characters in this
You know that's fair and touches on the fact that the entire concept of Strange Adventures, the mini not in general, is fundamentally garbage. Any DC character expect maybe Ollie would come off uncharacteristically dickish in Terrific's role.

>>149391863
Or how about the veggie tray? In the example I posted he wasted two entire pages on a lame joke. Two entire pages.

>>149391691
It seems only /co/ dislikes him so I look forward to him switching to Marvel and being praised here nonstop.

Why did he want to tear down a random oldschool C-lister so fuckin bad?
I hate the evil Superman trend, but I at least understand it. You're using the big, iconic, basis of all Supers to try and convey a message. Even if you have nothing smart to say, it's a very suitable soapbox for projecting your voice.
What does making a pulp sci-fi hero who never had too much mainstream q into a lying weiny, supposed to accomplish?
I've only encountered Adam Strange while reading other stories with ensemble casts, but even I knew him specifically as an earthling defending a SPECIFIC planet from outside threats, so I don't even get why someone would be irritated enough at his existence that they would want to create a fictional hit piece on him.

>>149391960
/co/ dislikes him because he had Batman marry Catwoman in his comic run or something, I dunno

Twitter hates him because he was a CIA agent who allegedly played a not-so-minor role in the invasion of Iraq (tbf he actually does go around conventions and podcasts bragging about how he's tortured people before)

>entire thread explaining how shitty this run by Tom King is, going in to specifics and trying to run King's logic back to attempt to understand what he thought he was doing.
>random sporadic posts crying "how come /co/ doesn't like Tom King???" as of there's no context

>>149391998
Don't know about /co/ and twitter, but I dislike him because he's a bad writer.

>>149391986
Bro has been taking a sledgehammer to every member of the Justice League International. I think he does it because he knows there will be no editorial pushback and he can leave his "mark" on C-listers, affecting how others will write them for years to come. A sick ego-driven thing.

>>149391387
>At the end when Alana fins out she gets into a scuffle with Adam, accidentally kills him and then goes to their mother ship with Mr. Terrific and rescues their daughter, yes, that easy
This is what kills me, the resolution is just so.... empty. The two of them go in guns blazing and beat up everyone and save Aleea.

>>149391286 (OP)
>PR firm is trying, once again, to shill king
Kill yourself

>>149391317
It’s just a shill. Don’t pay them much mind.

>>149391418
It’s just Mitch Gerads being incapable of drawing without tracing. So since he was called out for tracing other artists’ work multiple times he began taking pictures of himself to trace.

>>149391578
No, king doesnt draw. Mitch gerads inserts himself

>>149391639
Jesus Christ even bendis (you know, the like, the comic book writer, Brian Michael bendis.) would shake his head at this dialogue dump.

>>149391960
I would argue most of twitter hates him every bit as much as /co/.

Only really Reddit seems to like him and Reddit has more paid shills than here.

Everyone King writes talks like Trump
>I'm very disappointed in President Putin. He talks so beautifully. And then he bombs people at night. We don't like that.

>>149391998
Most of the posts ITT have nothing to do with his Batman run, let alone the wedding, you insufferable faggot.

>>149392037
I love how people who hate Tom King books religiously read Tom King books.

>>149392445
>>149392465
I was curious so I did a quick google search to see what reddit thinks of him (long story short positive) and I stumbled on
>No one's work is perfect, not him not Claremont,Miller,Millar. Morrison or even the mighty Bendis
Big yikes. So reddit loves Bendis too?

>>149391304
Adam Strange is a selfish asshole who cheated on his pregnant wife and you need to get over yourself.

>>149392509
My problem with Tom King is that I love the concepts of his books. Strange Adventures, Human Target. Omega Men, these would all be some of my favorite stories if they were written by someone else. It wouldn't even need to be one of my top current writers like Priest, Watters, or Ewing, I would take someone aggressively mediocre like a Dan Jurgens. Instead I keep getting hopeful when I know in the back of my mind King will inevitably shit the bed.

>>149391286 (OP)
Read The Visions, Grayson, Omega Men, Superman: Up in the Sky, Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, The Penguin, and Mister Miracle
Avoid Batman, Heroes in Crisis, and Rorschach
YMMV Danger Street, Human Target, Jenny Sparks
TDB Wonder Woman

>>149392509
You do the same, all you chucklefucks can't help yourselves, you not only read but you religiously buy (looking at you Spideyfags). I sometimes check a series out of curiosity because he uses an obscure character I haven't seen used in decades or he wastes the time of an artist I like.

>>149392557
>Proest
>Ewing
>Jurgens
These guys suck too.

>>149392519
I remember doing the same thing a few months ago, and when I read a post saying "People only don't like Tom King because he's willing to take a political stand" my head nearly did a 180 swivel.

>>149392675
I thought it was because he used to work for Marvel but then moved to DC?

>>149392445
Bendis is one of the legends of the medium.

Trinity is the worst book DC is currently printing.

>>149392519
75 percent of Reddit is paid shilling. The remaining 25 percent are the type of soiboi cosumerist retards who post on Reddit lol. These are dudes who unironically enjoy or defend cuckoldry and getting pegged.

>>149392895
>75 percent of Reddit is paid shilling
Same with /co/.

>>149392914
I wouldn’t say the percentage is quite as high as Reddit but I do agree the media boards in particular are swimming with shills.

>>149392852
Thank you Mr bot.

>>149393017
It wasn't but it is now. King's own Mister Miracle is probably when I just kinda gave up trying to discuss comics on /co/ because any attempt was getting shut down and eventually/co/ turned into a place where shills just say you're contrarian and drown you out even if you try to actually discuss things. I've noticed a lot of more followed suit and there's simply less discussion on /co/ than 10-15 years ago.

>>149392509
You're right. I should spend my time hating things I know nothing about, like the rest of you subhuman refuse.

>>149393017
>>149392914
As someone who's visited /vg/, they have actual screenshots of discords who organize "raids" on threads by paying, I wish I was kidding, Indians to post in them (usually about some nonsense). So while I don't doubt there are paid posters and bots on 4chan, I think the difference is scale. Instead of a corporation doing it to control a narrative, it's probably just schizos with some money hiring third-worlders for pennies on the dollar who are just trying to be annoying.

>>149393183
No it’s corporations and invested parties (creators themselves and their rep agencies) for the most part. You’d have to be silly to think otherwise.

>>149393126
I think you’re just underestimating or understating how controlled Reddit is. We don’t disagree that shills are here and curate discussion though.

>>149393183
>>149393231
Yeah I’ve noticed it’s impossible to say you dislike anything written by Jed McKay, any of the absolute books, anything written by Hickman, anyhung written by Kelly Thompson without being inundated with people claiming you’re just a contrarian and shutting discussion down completely. Hell one of the most suspicious ones is rainbow Rowell who’s rep agency CLEARLY sends people here to defend her ass juice writing.

>>149393252
Rowell fucking tanked She-Hulk for 2 years and is given another book!

>>149392509
>If you hate it, how come you know it exists? Checkmate.

>>149393293
Because the ongoings she works on just exist to subsidize the eventual trade which is what these YA writers are actually hired for.

Which , make no mistake, won’t sell any better than the ongoing, but the literary agents come to the big 2 having already brokered a deal in principal with the book publishers they bow down to and so they ink the 12 issue deals to curry favor with the publishing industry.

But I agree her she-hulk was fucking poison and yet try saying that in most threads and 20 shills descend upon you to tell you to shut up or that “it’s better than Aaron’s version of the character!”

>>149393369
Aaron's run was ass but at least stuff happened, With Rowell it's a never ending cycle of Jen stuffing her face with food & her bitching about her non-problems.

>>149393183
I've seen plenty of shitposts on /co/ of "you're [insert discord/reddit username]". I've seen them eventually bring their drama here. I'm tired of seeing the word contrarian instead of someone actually trying to argue a point. I'm tired of fanfiction and shipping being the norm. I'm tired of seeing people ignore posts that try to talk about something just so they can eat low effort bait.

>>149393231
>and curate discussion though.
Certainly not.

>>149394949
It’s blatantly obvious when they’re do it though. Go into a moon knight thread and point out it’s not a good run, they’ll descend on you like flies on a week old sandwich.

>>149395954
Yeah that's seems to be the flavor of the season for now.

>>149392519
Reddit worships at the altar of Bendis and King. The way they talk about Bendis in particular is ridiculous. If you listened to only them, you'd have thought that the American comic book was no better than toilet paper for the better part of a century until our Lord and Saviour Bendis came down from the heavens in the year 2000 to bless us with Ultimate Spider-Man.

>>149395954
I made a Moon Knight thread over the weekend (of course it died overnight) expressing that I'm not liking it. I got a few anons to agree with what I was saying, a couple didn't, but there seemed to be one or a couple of anons avoiding the discussion altogether, just making accusations. I could have sworn this run had a bunch of fans on /co/, but I guess they're not here all the time.

>>149396301
Reddit loves Slott as well, You'll get downvoted to hell if you say his She-Hulk is bad.

>>149391286 (OP)
I am still mad Doc Shaner was wasted on this garbage

>>149392509
I stopped reading Batman at some point during War of Jokes and Riddles (because it was fucking awful), read all of Mister Miracle and walked away mad because Scott willingly stayed in a prison, and gave Strange Adventures half a chance because I like Adam Strange and surely he wouldn't just do the same story twice right? And that was the last iota of time I gave a Tom King comic.

>>149397127
He's good but not amazing.

>they're actually moving forward with a Woman of Tomorrow adaptation
Meh

>>149392557
Priest used to be better. I never liked Ewing.

>>149392609
>You do the same, all you chucklefucks can't help yourselves, you not only read but you religiously buy (looking at you Spideyfags).

Is there proof they're actually buying them to read or is this a delusion?

>>149396301
>>149396455
Kind of thinking they set up shop on there after they couldn't control the narrative here

So is Strange Adventures even canon? It was one of those books that wasn't, then was, then wasn't, then really wasn't, then I lost track.

And I fear this piece of shit being canon for Adam.

>>149399047
>Phoenix Arizona turned into a crater
>Adam Strange a traitor, and dead
>Mister Terrific adopted Aleea Strange
it was literally never canon

>>149391440
>Not just mommy issues

>>149391286 (OP)
Why did you enjoy this?

>>149399860
Oh wow that brutal, huh? I've steered so far clear of this thing much of what I know is hearsay. I figured it was bad, but fucking Jesus.

>>149391308
This, by the end I had largely forgotten what the plot was because ping-ponging between the earth political stuff and rann war scenes just lost its spark. It's not even enjoyable to read on a surface level the way Vision or Mister Miracle were.

>>149398887
Buying and not reading is worse.

>>149402645
Those two weren't enjoyable on a surface level either.

>>149402645
>enjoyable to read on a surface level the way Vision
The Vision was not enjoyable on any level.

>>149391286 (OP)
Decent bait.

>>149391317
Mischaracterisation complaints in an out of continuity story that’s deliberately being subversive and not just nostalgia wank is always a stupid complaint made by people who can’t articulate their opinions.

>>149391461
But Booster is a moron. Of all the things to complain about why would you make it about Booster acting like a dumbass?
>Noooooo Booster is a hyper competent time traveler!
Right, in the rare instances where people lean on Johns’ revamp when he isn’t the comedic relief because he’s a dumb gloryhound. And even then the catch is that the smart Booster is much older and mature where as comedic relief Booster is intentionally written to be more juvenile for the sake of comedy. They are different representations of the character that can co-exist because he’s a time traveler

>>149391960
/co/ loved King until the bat/cat wedding didn’t happen and /co/ hasn’t stopped being butthurt about him since.

This is what this board does. It hypes and is love bombing whatever new hot writer is on the rise and then they read one story they don’t like, throw a tantrum, and now hate everything the writer has ever done. Same thing happened with Bendis, Nick Spencer, etc. I would say Snyder too but he’s somehow not as divisive despite his writing progressively only getting worse as time goes on

>>149391986
The only reason you give a D-lister a comic in the first place is to do something very different with them, because that’s the only way in theory the book might sell. They are a D-lister precisely because they don’t sell if you write yet another generic traditional story with them. It is not a hit piece, that’s pure fanboy butthurt.

>>149393293
She-Hulk was good though. Her and Jack’s relationship was the best part about it

>>149399047
It’s a black label comic, they by default are not intended to be canon. That’s why they take so many liberties. How the fuck do you people do not know this? Every goddamn black label comic has the same morons whining about mischaracterising or how it doesn’t make sense because continuity or when someone gets killed. Are you seriously so stupid that you cannot wrap yourself around the concept of a book not intending to be viewed as being >>149398898
in continuity unless it has Elseworlds sticker on the cover in big bold letters?

>>149403868
And those bots drown out people that actually critique his shitty writing.

>>149403893
Booster is a dumbass but the way King writes him he's legit retarded, he has the intelligence of an 8 year old. You can't see a difference because you're a retard yourself.

>>149401485
It's not bad. I never said bad. I said it was obviously not canon.
They tried the gritty deconstruction of Adam Strange in Man of Two Worlds.
>Adam is an adulterer, fucking his dying father's doctor on Earth with his wife pregnant on Rann
>Adam beats Sardath half to death and gives him brain damage
>Alaana dies in childbirth and Adam wants to abandon the kid

>>149404215
Other writers have written him as equally stupid.

>>149392567
>Grayson
The story was non existent the only thing it had going for it was the weirdly homoerotic artwork

>Omega Men
It’s overhyped but it’s incredibly mediocre and kinda racist against Hispanics with what he did to Kyle

>Superman: Up in the Sky
Using a kidnapped little girl as a throwaway ploy device and the whole Lois murderporn issue, no thanks.

>Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow
A literal rip off True Grit and not even a good rip off at that

>Mister Miracle
Just a godawful story where he parades the corpse of Jack Kirby around acting like he personally knew him but than utterly shitting on the entire concept of the 4th World. You are better off just reading the 80s Mister Miracle series

>>149404280
Nobody has written him as retarded as King.

>>149392567
The Visions has everything bad about King in one 12 issue series. And the artwork isn't good.

>>149403893
Booster can be a dumbass sure but he isn’t an incompetent retard like King writes him, also when King first started writing Booster in “The Gift” the whole premise was that Booster fucked up the timeline because he went back and saved the Waynes as a gift to Bruce. Despite that same month in a Superman comic where Supes goes back in time to just confirm something about Jor-el, Booster attempts to stop him and then chastises Supes because even just being there could radically fuck up the timeline which it does and the two work together to fix what went wrong. So in the two different books that came out around the same time you have vastly different characterizations with one being a retard that has no idea how time travel works despite being a known time traveler and the other being a goofball time traveler trying to set right reality

>>149391286 (OP)
Tom King is one of those writers who really make you think, you know what, if I were given a comic book I could write something better than this guy.

>>149404280
If you are talking about Giffen era JLI Booster, he isn’t stupid especially on the level that king wrote him as. He’s just a bro hanging out with his Best Friend and getting into hijinks but Giffen never actually wrote Booster as a moron.

The only other instance I remember where Booster was written as an idiot was by Russell in that Flintstones crossover and even then he was still incredibly clever and a fast improviser. Again still not as bad as how King wrote him

>>149404446
He isn’t incompetent, he is comically inept at thinking things through

>>149404446
And both interpretations of Booster are valid because Booster is a time travel and it is established that younger Booster is a joke and dumb and older Booster is actually highly competent and smart. This is like whining that Giffen/DeMatteis overtly comedy Booster doesn’t gel with Dan Jurgens’ more serious Booster

>>149404472
Wow you mean different writers write him differently depending how comical they want the story to be? No way Jose!

>>149404524
I mean I understand that argument but it makes no sense in the context of either story as the Booster that appeared in Kings story wasn’t a younger version, for all intents and purposes and unless otherwise noted he was the same Booster.

>>149404533
Yes and no one even when they were writing him as a joke made him as retartedly incompetent as King wrote him as.

The average Tom King fan:
>is a redditor
>overshares
>ex-junkie
>can't handle any comic book older than 2000 because they're too "dated" or "cheesy" or "wordy"
>actually believes Tom King writes great dialogue

See what I mean? The only point people are arguing is if the characterization of a character was "accurate". It's really irrelevant because the stories comes up with are garbage so having someone be a single digit iq retard when he was never this much of a retard shows that he as a writer can't think outside the box.

>>149392567
I don't think anyone likes Jenny Sparks or Danger Street, which was some madlib of an idea that got published.
people only like human targets for the art

>>149392620
>These guys suck too.
>someone aggressively mediocre like a Dan Jurgens.
i don't think the anon you replaying to disagrees with that

>>149404562
>for all intents and purposes and unless otherwise noted he was the same Booster.

Except you don’t have to because Booster time travels a lot and we even have alternative versions of him showing up and disappearing from the timeline. Any discrepancy can easily tied to him travelling through time and dealing with changing history.

>>149405216
>Jenny Sparks
I still find it funny he wrote a muh 9/11 comic in 2024

>>149405236
Was it just about 9/11, or was King trying to talk about something else?

>>149405230
Except you're a retard.

>>149405254
I don't know. Frankly, I don't WANT to know.
I checked out the first issue only due to morbid curiosity. Laughed at all the terrible Kingisms, lazy art, and yet another attempt to ape Watchmen by trying to do Captain Atom like Dr Manhattan, but didn't care for it at all otherwise. I saw the 9/11 page from the issue after that, plus whatever page with Superman wearing a facemask and whining that he can't punch COVID.

>>149405279
>Superman wearing a facemask and whining that he can't punch COVID
Lmao?

>>149405287
I went digging in the archives to find the page but this shitty miniseries didn't even get storytimed here past #2, not even for a Storytime of Pain.
SDCC is coming up, though, so maybe someone will one day. The whole mini is probably the prime example of everything awful about Tom King's hack writing.

>>149405287
>>149405324
Even the mindless readers who typically worship King as a god were shitting on this.

>>149391960
As a fan of cosmic DC between his bastardization of the Omega Men, Kyle, and Capt Comet I personally wouldnt mind if he tripped and his balls got stuck in a blender that turned on.
Man is just another shade of Bendis but somehow worse.

>>149405983
Bendis, for all his faults, actually knows comic books, even if he rarely ever cares for sticking to pre-established characterisations and the like.
I've never once gotten the sense from a Tom King comic that the man actually LIKES comic books. The fact he's failed upwards into Hollywood so quickly seems to prove it.

>>149405329
LMAO

>>149406221
Bendis only cares for certain comics, mainly Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron First, etc all the Street level guys
Give him something cosmic or magic oritanted and we will always shit the bed.

>>149403962
>>149403949
>>149403921
Kys anon, singular

>>149403949
I'm really not a fanboy of the character though. I've only really seen him in other stories like Swamp Thing and R.E.B.E.L.S..
That doesn't mean I can't think it's stupid to punch down at a lesser character when you could easily elevate them.

>>149403984
What the fuck is the point of marketing this story as some big "SECRETS REVEALED" event when it's not even canon?

>>149403868
Sorry, but loving you family being a fate worse than death is still stupid.

>>149391286 (OP)
his omega men is his best work

>>149406955
only if you don't give a single fuck about Kyle Rayner

>>149391986
>Why did he want to tear down a random oldschool C-lister so fuckin bad?
reading the interviews before this came out makes it seem like Tom King was using Adam Strange and Rann interchangeably with the Barsooom series by Edgar Rice Burroughs and thought he was tackling colonialism apologia by "deconstructing" Adam Strange.

>>149407063
So King never read Adam Strange stories or anything by Burroughs then.

>>149407089
he barely read the Wikipedia pages but he knows no one is gonna pushback on him about how he doesn't know enough about colonialism or Adam Strange to relate the two.

>>149406983
Nobody does.

>>149405168
If you can't maintain a consistent characterization then you are a bad writer.

>>149407063
Adam Strange literally defends Rann for most his career... Even in King's story. How does he think he's a suitable figure for attacking colonialism?

>>149391387
also there's the implication that Alanna was like a ghostwriter for Adam's book which implies she was in on it the whole time and that we can really know the real truth about anything.
wait, what?
>but she's leaving her daughter in the care of Mr. Terrific whom she didn't even now until a month or so back
sucks to be Sardath.

>>149407254
It's consistent withing his own work. It's just bad. His bad writing shouldn't be excused just no life continuityfags can bitch about shit. If his characterization was completely opposite of what the character was like in the past but he created a DKR level comic for Adam Strange then it wouldn't matter, all the characters changed over time. Problem is that what King writes is drivel.

Why does the marketing make it look like that s story is about his reputation getting fucked with, when it's actually about a successful cover-up to defend Rann and it's kind of unclear what perspective the vandalism is supposed to be coming from in the first place?

>>149407256
because vibes and tv tropes told him so.

>>149407316
It's a red herring. A subversion of a subversion.

I don't get it. Adam still sounds like a victim who died trying the ensure his daughter's safety. Why is this talked about like it's a teardown of toxic masculinity in pulp heroes and shit? Why Terrific?

>>149407297
>It's consistent withing his own work
not really, in fact Strange Adventures has bad independent continuity.
>the justice league has a spaceship that can get to Rann within a day but they won't lend Adam one months prior to stop a massacre.
>Mister terrific was already investigating Adam Strange before the murder happened.
>Hal Jordan says the green lanterns has a peace treaty with the alien invaders and couldn't help Rann but was later fighting them off when they were invading Earth.

>>149407297
Writing a character consistently with the work of previous authors is your job when you sign up to do a work for hire. You can create whatever characterization you'd like for original characters you own in your own original story, but if you can't follow basic bitch consistency with previously established characterization when working on something, you are a bad writer, period. It is part of your job, there is no excuse.

>>149403962
It fucking sucked.
Every moment was boy repellent.

>>149407370
He sold out an entire planet for his daughter. Didn't just point them in the direction of Earth but he was helping the invaders actually win. And in the end Alanna and Mr. Terrific saved their daughter. Why couldn't Adam and Superman and Batman and Flash?

>>149407370
>Why is this talked about like it's a teardown of toxic masculinity in pulp heroes and shit?
because that's how Tom King sold it and I'm guessing the people praising it didn't actually read it.

>>149407487
That's the writer's fault, not the character's.

>>149407487
And then DIED for her. You can't spin the convictions of someone making sacrifices for their offspring as evil when they are literally fully committed.
If you have to make them stupid because you forgot to actually make them evil then you've fucked up as a writer.

>>149407430
>the justice league has a spaceship that can get to Rann within a day but they won't lend Adam one months prior to stop a massacre.
Don't think this was stated. Superman said he'd need several days to reach it
>Mister terrific was already investigating Adam Strange before the murder happened.
Don't remember this being mentioned
>Hal Jordan says the green lanterns has a peace treaty with the alien invaders and couldn't help Rann but was later fighting them off when they were invading Earth.
They forbade him to enter that sector, but when the alien invaders came to his sector of course he was allowed to help defend Earth.
I'd say Mr. Terrific agreeing to adopt a prepubescent girl he doesn't know when it was established he didn't want kids with his wife could be called an inconsistency, but I'd rather just call it what it is, bad writing. Just like that guy that tortures Adam but you never get what he's all about or that civilian finding out about something even his wife didn't know.

>>149407516
Well duh.
>>149407544
No, he died for nothing. He died in a scuffle with his wife. And then his wife and Mr. Terrific saved their daughter and Earth defeats the invaders. It's stupid, it's stupid as fuck and Adam is an incompetent imbecile in it, because Tim King wrote it, and men are all incompetent dumbasses in his eyes while girls get it done.

>>149407370
He also did the same in Supergirl, which has one of the side villains be a Conan ersatz for some reason.
maybe did it again in the Helen of Windhorn book but i didn't read that so I don't know

>>149407487
he didn't just sold Earth out for his daughter but for another entire planet so the math is still balanced.
>>149407510
>>149407516
>>149407544
there's also the fact that Adam went to the justice league for help and they ignored him.
it's weird to think about but the justice league knew there was a war for the very existence of Rann but did zero follow-up and actually by the end of the story are gonna let Rann be destroyed by the aliens.

>>149407597
Yeah he makes the Justice League look like assholes but it's still fucking stupid that he would trust his daughter's life in the hands of a race that killed thousands of planets already. Thousands. And it's still hard to believe Earth would have a problem dealing with this invading force.

>>149407516
The character is the writer's fault too.

>>149407552
>Don't think this was stated. Superman said he'd need several days to reach it
yeah but then in the same issue Mr. Terrific takes a rocket there for a day trip.
>don't remember this being mentioned.
because it's a goof and not a detail but reading the first and second issue back to back you can see Mister Terrific is for some reason already investigating Adam.

>>149391286 (OP)
I ALREADY READ MISTER MIRACLE LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!

>>149407459
No, that's not being a bad writer. These are characters that are constantly reinterpreted and updated. The fact that people are stuck on this characterization niggle makes them easy to dismiss. It's probably why King is still defended on Reddit.
King is plainly a bad writer without this.

>>149391415
I'm sorry... is that Mr. Terrific? The guy who became a superhero because his wife and unborn kid died in a car crash?

>>149407619
it's stupid to say he trusted these aliens as oppose to being held hostage by those aliens.

>>149407693
it is bad writing though because the complete disregard of this charcter's continuity makes it not a reinterpretation but a complete mistranslation.

>>149407669
Is it really a day trip?

>>149407459
Fran Miller totally revamped Daredevil when he wrote him but I don't see you bitching.

>>149407716
He gave up his own daughter to them for fuck's sake.

>>149407772
But that was good.

>>149407772
Frank Miller is (was) a good writer

>>149407772
A lot of the building blocks of Miller's run on Daredevil were already they and were built up by other writers before him, Miller was just the first guy to assemble all the pieces into a single book.

All of King's characters are him.
That's why we're sick of it.

>>149407792
"he" implies there's a interior to Tom King's Adam Strange and there simply isn't so why waste time debating his morality and not the structure of the story?

>>149407712
No anon it's okay see >>149407693 said it's not worth talking about because these characters are updated all the time we have to just ignore mischaracterizations okay?

>>149407763
yeah he spends a single night on an alien planet that is lightyears away from Earth and is back in his apartment on Earth without even a five-o-clock shadow.

>>149407888
to put this in context, Adam had a full-gown beard waiting for a zeta beam to take him back to Rann in the very same issue.

>>149407772
>"totally revamped"
You're stupid and wrong. Show me this "complete revamp" using previous characterization and Frank's. And if you take one of those hostess pie ads and try to pass it off as an argument, I'll know.

>>149407803
>>149407817
Which is my fucking point. Tom King is a bad writer, nobody cares that he wouldn't respect the continuity and past characterization for such a Z lister as Adam Strange but what he wrote was garbage and even if you have no prior love for the character you can still see an asshole writer dragging a character through the mud just to prop up his wife.
>>149407818
No, he totally revamps him, from origin to overall feel and theme.
>>149407906
You're a disingenuous moron.

>>149408111
>No, he totally revamps him,
Wrong
>from origin
Wrong
>to overall feel and theme.
Such wishy-washy language as to be completely pointless to argue, so wrong.

>>149408111
>even if you have no prior love for the character you can still see an asshole writer dragging a character through the mud
you would think...

>>149407751
No.
It's at worst disrespectful, but it's not in itself bad writing.
>>149407884
It's not okay because King is a shit writer.

>>149391415
>it's always "bad guys" and "good guys" with him
Being a glowie really fucked up his brain huh? Wonder how long til he cracks

>>149409154
normies (actual normies) are about to be exposed to his hackery with Supergirl. So hopefully soon.

>>149405000
Underrated pst, I feel like most of these “I eat up all the slop and think you’re a horrible human if you don’t” people like this are former junkies

>>149407297
If you DKR changed Batman or Superman's character fundamentally, you're retarded

>>149409916
It kinda did, retard. Post DKR Batman is pretty different from pre DKR Batman.

>>149409181
>implying normies won't just eat up his True Grit rip-off and praise it

I agree.

>>149392542
Kys King

>>149410743
Normies have never seen true grit.

>>149405000
King, Fraction, and Bendis are pure garbage, but the Triangle era isn't great.

>>149407712
I mean, his wife being pregnant was a retcon, but yes. Having Holt admit he didn't really want the baby is fine, it changes nothing. Adds to the grief, even, because it packs on another type of guilt.

>>149409181
>actual normies
No such thing.

>>149414623
Better than anything that’s happened since Bendis’ arrival.

Really the Superman (and DC) sweet spot is the Busiek, johns, loeb, Seagle, president lex era. Ten cent adventure, Superman, action, Superman/Batman, jla classified. From like then (2003?) through the one year later, infinite crisis, countdown, 52, final crisis era was just absolutely fantastic on almost all fronts. Stretch it back to 98 to include PAD young justice and a few others and you have probably the all-encompassing best decade ever from either of the big 2 with DC 98-2008

>>149415458
I notice you skipped identity crisis but honestly I do agree. And it’s - somewhat - relatively easily ignored.

>>149415458
You eat up all that mediocrity and crap. Good bot.

>>149415458
>infinite crisis, countdown, 52, final crisis era was just absolutely fantastic on almost all fronts
This is almost all dogshit.

His insistence of using swear words when he knows they'll get censored is pathetic.

>>149416743
I think he thinks it's funny, or maybe that it actually makes his comics seem more mature. It only ever comes across as pre-watershed Rick & Morty.

>>149416954
>that it actually makes his comics seem more mature
It's definitely that. I don't think he even writes normal dialogue that gets censored, he think "and I'm going to put a swear word placeholder here and here", a lot of times it's so awkward and breaks the flow, and most of the time a non swear word would fit better but seeing as how he has a very limited vocabulary...

>>149391308
So you have ADHD?

>>149415662
>>149416662
>i-i-i-it’s bad…. Because!! No, I don’t provide an alternative!

>>149418489
Alternative is to not devour mediocrity and actual garbage.

>>149407685
NO!

>>149419799
YOU MUST!

>>149418535
You have no argument. At least try to provide why they suck.

>Infinite Crisis
Like most modern "Crisis" stories, it's another attempt at fixing what ain't broke under the guise of returning things to "the way they ought to be". You could maybe argue that the Post-Crisis DCU had run out of steam in its need to retread Silver Age stuff, but it pretty much solidified the stagnation of character growth.

>Countdown
What if 52 was written by editorial trying to set up the next "Let's fix things to the way they ought to be" event, but with nothing lasting or creative being done? A massive letdown on all fronts.

>52
The only good one of these stories, which is still marred down when you realize that it doesn't actually fill in the gaps that the simultaneous "ONE YEAR LATER" stories claimed it did. You basically only get 5-6 real storylines; half of which resolve by the halfway point of the whole series.

>Final Crisis
Literally needed schizo logic leaps to enjoy (ie Hypercrisis)

>>149421128
Final Crisis is the best one actually.

>>149421128
Maybe they're enjoyable if you care about DC continuity and the DC universe, but only a dummy cares about these things.

>>149391286 (OP)
the Supergirl poster made me realize that luckily a strange adventure movie will be shit adaptions meaning it could be decent.

>>149421936