So marvel citizens were just ok with the US government spending taxpayers money on giant robots designed to hunt down minorities?

Are civilian service Sentinels a thing?

Obligatory ermm *waves at le world around us* and posts image of irl Boston Dynamics robot

>>149408730 (OP)
>on giant robots designed to hunt down terrorists with laser eyes or sneezes that can vaporize entire city blocks

>>149408730 (OP)
If they made Mexi-Illegal immigrant hunting machines RIGHT NOW anons would start happily paying taxes.

>>149408730 (OP)
You're asking this of a society that routinely makes a point to go out and murder young black men just because and outright banned races from marrying each other until a mere 60 years ago?

>>149408730 (OP)
Were Sentinels deployed in the Middle East?

>>149408812
Yes

>>149408730 (OP)
They are muties anon

>>149408807
Ok but were the Avengers ok with it?

>>149408730 (OP)
Hey man, I hear one of them muties can change color. We need sentinels to protect us from them! The hundreds of other people with powers are alright since they're not muties. And I know if someone is a mutie or not. I can smell a mutie a mile away. Not sure how or why it pisses me off but it is what it is.

>>149408730 (OP)
I always wondered how the Marvel domestic defense budget got divvied up between taking down mutants and taking down the Hulk. Ross throws a small army at the Hulk every other week while the X-Men get advanced robots thrown at them every month.

>>149408730 (OP)
I think it was a black Op kind of deal at first.

>>149408730 (OP)
Mutants are quite literally the most important issue in Marvel politics and will never stop being so. Everybody hates and fears them until they save the world and then they tolerate them long enough for some politician to get elected and say "KILL EM ALL!" and thus the cycle returns to form.

>>149408730 (OP)
In the Ultimate line or 616? Cause pretty sure 616 was almost always had them privately funded except the one time where the US government shut it down once they fond out Bastion was a nutbarr

>>149408818
Can I see them?

>>149408730 (OP)
Someone invades or takes over New York like every other week. They are fine with some kind of defense mechanism.

>>149408880
No, desert camo

>>149408812
Think the first issue of Schism had Iran's president at the time talk about using Sentinels

>>149408855
This pic goes so hard

>>149408751
>>149408769
>>149408807
>You're asking this of a society that routinely makes a point to go out and murder young black men just because and outright banned races from marrying each other until a mere 60 years ago

This is why Mutants following the example of either MLK or Malcolm X is a mistake; Marcus Garvey knew what was up. In the 616 there's an entire galaxy full of habitable/terraformable planets to flee to and start a decent civilization so there's really no excuse except muh status quo.

>>149408730 (OP)
magneto killed 3 million people once

and that's just one mutoid

>>149408730 (OP)
The minorities that almost cause nation-level disasters every other month? Yeah, I'd imagine so.

>>149408807
>a society that routinely makes a point to go out and murder young black men
das rite dey dindu nuffin dey wuz gud kidz

>>149408730 (OP)
Anon, mutants literally tricked them into buying Sentinels.

>>149408730 (OP)
They're the nuclear options should said minority start to actively eradicate US cities, which is perfectly within their capabilities.

>>149409018
>In the 616 there's an entire galaxy full of habitable/terraformable planets to flee to
Mutants would still be born on earth to human parents, and earth would declare war on these planets the moment mutants came down to earth to kidnap people's mutant children and bring them to mutantopia

>>149409018
>an entire galaxy
Hold up, you think that the galaxy would LET them? Dude, most space empires HATE Earthlings as it is, to the point that they tried to turn it into Space Australia duuuring Maximum Security. And that's befoe we bring up how often the mutants are connected to the Phoenix Force and how hard it pissed off the Shi'ar. The moment anyone hears the mutants are packing up and shipping off to another planet, it's not going to be "Thank god they're leaving to somewhere else", it's "Oh fuck the infection is spreading, kill them all NOW".

>>149408730 (OP)
seeing how mutants can level a city block on a good day it seems reasonable

>>149409018
>Marcus Garvey
Weird way to spell Sun Ra. Mind, they keep trying the Ho-Tep solution over and over again - the Brotherhood's basically militant Ho-Teps after all.

>>149408730 (OP)
If Mexicans started doing shit like fly and started calling themselves the next step in evolution and superior to you in every way would you not be okay with a giant robot that shuts them up forever?

So other countries are fine with US robo death squad NotKKK police?

>>149409220
Canada's probably laughing cause the US wishes it could be half as fascist as them

>>149408730 (OP)
A few billions in the defense budget is almost a rounding error.

>>149408807
I think those guys are white

>>149408730 (OP)
Minorities that can rape your mind, murder your wife with eye lasers, and will kidnap your kids and force them to be child soldiers if it turns out they have a rare gene, yes.

>>149409220
Hating mutants is something that brings the world together. Though maybe Latvaria is against it.

Reminder the hellfire clubs also funded Sentinels.

Mutants are still the #1 killer of mutants.

>>149409243
I was wrong
But near as I can tell they had it coming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Thomas_Shipp_and_Abram_Smith
Same as Leo Frank.

>>149409239
Doesn't Canada have literal mutant death camps?

>>149409316
Exactly. And then outright elected a leader whose platform was extending that same policy to other superheroes and metahumans. The US is ironically small time comparatively speaking in terms of evil, though it really does try.

>>149409316
Yes

Yes it does

>>149408730 (OP)
The US government has set up mutant torture & death camps just outside New York City on at least three separate occasions. Not black sites out in Africa or wherever, but clearly labeled government facilities within commuting distance of everything from the UN headquarters to the Avengers mansion. Nobody gives a shit. Marvel citizens are bloodthirsty psychopaths where mutants are concerned.

Giant robots are far cooler than all the dumb shit my tax dollars go toward now, seems like an improvement to me.

>>149409296
>we should let a mob of bloodthirsty fucktards drag someone from police custody and have them beaten to death and strung up like goddam trophy animals on the grounds they MIGHT have committed a rape/murder that barely occurred 24 hours earlier because........BECAUSE WE JUST DO, OKAY?!?!
Maybe wait for a god damn indictment to be handed down first before you break out the pitchforks, ya fuggin psychopaths?

>>149409388
And considering how much House of M's world sucked for humanity, honestly cuts both ways. Or at least proves mutants and humans deserve each other in the worst way possible.

>>149409247
Doom has built his own sentinels. He stuffed people inside them to discourage the X-Men from fighting back.

>>149409018
Most alien species also hate mutants, everyone hates mutants.

Would it be on topic for me to dump a self-contained issue about the US feds being absolute Nazis towards mutants?

>>149408730 (OP)
If we could have Sentinels hunt down and eradicate jews, shitskins, faggots, trannies and all other subhumans i would pay double taxes. Fuck it, take muh money...

>>149409018
correct

>>149409393
Eu, worst case scenario and they were innocent, the world just lost 2 niggers. Nobody cares

>>149409708
You are everything wrong with us as a species, sir. God bless

>>149409018
Nimrod pointed this out to them. He said they could have bought themselves time if only they had migrated from the solar system, though he and his fellow machines would eventually come after them wherever they went.

But as it stands a lot of them have completely left the multiverse behind and settled on Krakoa in the White Hot Room.

>>149409784
>But as it stands a lot of them have completely left the multiverse behind and settled on Krakoa in the White Hot Room.
And yet they still bitch and moan that they're going extinct as a species in the comics, iirc

>>149408730 (OP)
1. wouldn't you be cool with it if governments were building giant robots? it's way more cool than, I dunno, bombing camel fuckers or protecting child rapists.
2. civilians in Marvel are dumb, see pic
3. those minorities range from blue furries with PhDs (pretty normal, we probably already have a bunch) to chicks who stepped out of Cronenberg's The Fly (weird but she'd do great in Hollywood) to people who shoot energy beams and lasers (huge security threats), or involuntarily disintegrate anyone around them or shoot nukes out of their eyes (nationwide threats) or can reverse the magnetic poles (human civilisation tier threats), or feed on stars (interplanetary threats).

And their most well known member is a guy who calls himself leader of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, destroys space launch facilities and nuclear submarines as a past time, can potentially human civilisation, and his henchmen include a speedster who could kill an army in a second, an illusionist who can trick you into doing anything he wants, and an actual bona fide witch (she is even red headed).

giant killer robots sounds like a logical response.

>>149409784
>completely left the multiverse behind and settled on Krakoa in the White Hot Room.

Yeah and bullshit like this is why I don't read X-Men no longer. Fuck that hickman shit, give me back the stories where Kitty calls niggers niggers.

>>149409600
You mean the book set in a Canadian death camp for mutants?

>>149408730 (OP)
Marvel civilians are mad that the Sentinels only hunt down mutants. That's only 50%-60% of the superpowered menaces.

>>149408769
Shut up faggot >>/pol/

>>149408730 (OP)
I know capeshit is the toilet of writing, but they could have used 15 minutes coming up with an idea to explain why there's so much anti mutant sentiment. I don't know maybe make them spread mutant AIDS.

>>149408807
Shut up faggot >>>/pol/

>>149410176
Or, you know, shit like this: >>149409035

>>149410176
Or you know, shit like this

>>149409296
I love that you're against it when you think it was blacks, but are super in favor when you see it was actually whites

>>149408730 (OP)
It's funny to think that all administrations have been ok with having giant killer robots running around. Like Obama, Biden and Trump were all "Ok let them genocide those muties".

>>149410176
Actually it's all caused by a sentient bacteria colony that's been alive for billions of years that makes humans it's host body staging a decades long global PR campaign to whip up people into an anti-mutant frenzy because it cant take over mutant bodies because reasons and it deduced that mutants WILL eventually become the norm as regular humans become extinct, so its merely acting in self defense to ensure it's continued existence.

I *wish* I had pulled all of that out of my ass just now, but I didnt. That is the cannonical explanation.

>>149408855
You know would it work better if ONE and other stuff just fell under one specific government group.
You know hulk busters, sentinels, one type of advanced robots or power armor and all that. Sentinel Power Armor would be cool

>>149410609
You know the best part? The actual sentient bacteria got a pass for all of it. Meanwhile the humans he made racist are still just bigots and need the mutant nuke.

>>149410211
When your remember that all of the MU has occurred in ~15 year span, suddenly the anti-mutant response seems fairly limited considering there was about 4 years where Magneto was committing a major attack every few months.

>>149410609
>>149410656
You left out the part where he can infect mutants by turning himself into cocaine.

>>149410622
>Sentinel Power Armor would be cool
They made that to help protect the muties after M-day. And they bitched the entire time, since it's the equivalent of a bunch of guys dressed up like KKK members patrolling a black church to protect them against racists.

>>149410795
>it's the equivalent of a bunch of guys dressed up like KKK members patrolling a black church to protect them against racists
.............I mean, that would be pretty weird, ngl

>>149410917
Didn't say it wasn't. It's just really damn funny the one time the government actually gets off their asses to help the mutants after all those decades, that's what they send in

>>149411014
>DONT WORRY, WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU
>said the wolves to the sheep

>>149408730 (OP)
I always thought it was kind of silly to build giant ass robots to deal with mutants when they’re normally human sized targets, just seems needless risk of collateral damage if they were deployed in a city.
Something smaller scale would probably be more effective, like 8-10ft at most.

>>149408730 (OP)
The older I get the more I love this stupid idea of racist robots that scan the city.

>>149410917
>>149411014
>have a bunch of giant robots that mutants sold them
>remove the AI that makes them goes rampant and replaces them with pilots
>sends them off to protect mutants when the X-Men show they're clearly incapable
>mutants throw a hissyfit even though anyone not in the X-Men has probably never encountered a Sentinel before

Mutants validate the Sentinel program

>>149409086
>/pol/tard meltdown

>>149409018
>Implying that the Shi’ar, Skrull and Kree wouldn’t exterminate them immediately if they tried to leave Earth

>>149409708
Everyone cares, you being a psychotic /pol/tard doesn’t change that.

Kill all mutants. It's not even murder, it's self-defense. These things can kill a stadium of innocent civilians with a blink of an eye. They can crash the world economy just by thinking about it. Their very existence is a threat to all of humanity.

>>149411438
Remember to mentally thank Professor Xavier every day you wake up and the world hasn't ended in a nuclear holocaust. It's a freebie, sure, but it wouldn't kill you to show a little gratitude.

Originally the Sentinels were a rogue proof of concept by a private individual. Then they were funded by a conspiracy. Only from the bad future were they a rogue government program but that became the norm.

>>149410211
this should be sent to every redditior that says Magneto is right

>>149408730 (OP)
There's a funny bit in Busiek's Avengers where people are protesting outside the mansion for more black people to be on the team. And that crowd is shortly joined by anti-mutant protestors who want all the mutants off the team. So the message from the crowd essentially reads "More black faces in high places!" and "LYNCH THE MUTIES!" And seemingly these protestors have no problem getting along, so I guess the people crying for more diversity also really wanted to see the mutant Avengers get stepped on by Sentinels.

>>149408807
>just because
Lol, lmao

>>149411497
Maybe he should have reconsidered programming them with an immutable directive to kill all mutants.

>>149408730 (OP)
I mean, would you risk being put on the list?

>>149411471
>Grovel and kneel before us or else we will kill you all
How gracious.

>>149408730 (OP)
It's the mutants, who were introduced to the wider world by one of them declaring mankind an inferior breed and saying outright he planned to genocide or enslave them all in the race war which he immediately tried to start by taking over a country.

And then on research anyone looking into it would find that the "nice" mutants were led by a guy who also believed that mutants would drive humanity extinct because they were a less evolved species and who regularly isolated teenagers from their families with the sell being "your human family can't understand or help you only we can" and if you dug enough it can't have been too hard to realize he was training them for basically black ops commando work.

So...yeah abso-fucking-lutely. Especially once shit keeps happening.

>>149411579
It got funnier when in that same comic there were people protesting Wanda marrying Vision…cause they were more disgusted by the thought of a robot marrying someone than the mutant. They outright said something to the effect of “She may be a filthy mutant, but she’s at least HUMAN!”

>>149408887
fair point

>>149408730 (OP)
You have something against Maverick hunters OP?

Mutants are clearly an allegory for jews
>Oyvey, don't persecute us!
>All we did was say we are a superior race and we should make all of you extinct!
>Oygevalt!
>Now you're oppressing us, the people capable of destroying swathes of humanity with less effort than it takes to crush a fly!

>>149411967
It is now my goal to become an X-Men writer so I can write a love story between 60 foot tall runaway mutant teenager and his Sentinel girlfriend.

>>149408730 (OP)
I'd be okay with them doing that in real life.

>>149412092
Better romance premise than most X-men books at it is, so I support it

>>149408730 (OP)
I never understand why couldn't the Sentinels act more like actual special police robot that only targets acetal dangerous mutant villains and criminals instead of picking on poor children and woman and teenager who just happens to be mutant.

>>149412351
Cause they're either shittily programmed, or they're the only ones that are actually in any danger from the giant robots. Look at how the X-men practically eat the Sentinels for lunch in any story that's not set in Days of Future Past.

>>149408730 (OP)
I'd be okay with it. Have them patrol the mediterranean and vaporize immigrants.

Mutants aren't an allegory for minorities, but rather an allegory for guns.

>>149412351
They were programmed by a guy with a liberal arts degree as a general purpose anti-mutant robot and sold by people who never updated the programming. However, despite what modern X-Men comics believe, most government Sentinel deployments were small detachments going after specific targets for apprehension if possible.

>>149412451
>Heh, this'll make the chuds hate the big evil robots

>>149412536
I'm pretty sure most chuds are fine with gun registration.

>>149412548
wtf, I hate chuds now?

>>149411497
Bolivar Trask's Sentinels were built to protect humans from a mutant menace in a time when Magneto literally had a scheme of the month to attack the world, and those Sentinels immediately broke their programming and tried to conquer the world. When they captured Beast, they didn't kill him, they forced him to tell them his origin, at length.

Later retcons revealed both of Trask's kids were mutants, and his main motivation was trying to stop his children from getting killed in the racewar Magneto was trying to start.

Trask's son Larry didn't know he was a mutant, mistakenly blamed the X-Men for his dad's death, and built a new generation of Sentinels, which also immediately rebelled and tried to take over the world.

Most Sentinels since then from the 70s, 80s and 90s were funded or built by the Hellfire Club, and like >>149409126 says, they were being built to use if the mutants started the racewar, they weren't actually being used. The only large-scale deployments of Sentinels were when Onslaught too control of them and used them to enforce his takeover of New York, or in an Avengers story when they were launched against Kang.

The idea of the Sentinels just constantly patrolling America and hunting down mutants who live in constant fear of them comes from the opening arc of Ultimate X-Men. Somehow writers in the 2010s started pretending that was 616 canon too. It's not true at all, but a lot of people fell for it because they don't read old comics, and just assume whatever garbage Bendis is writing must be true.

>>149412092
Closest we've got to this so far was a doomed romance between a teen mutant and a cyborg Sentinel girl during the Operation Zero Tolerance event.

>>149412653
Wait, so Sentinels didn't always go around hunting innocent women ,children, babies , and teenager like some kkk bad racist robots ? There's were times they actually more like police bot only targets dangerous mutant ?

Maybe mutants commit more crimes.

>>149408730 (OP)
mutants are actually a threat though

>>149408730 (OP)
Money well spent. Yeah we really need freaks with insane powers who can overtake the country at any moment walking about. Fucking freak Jean Grey could scramble the President's brains and we wouldn't be able to even see her doing it. Freak could turn you gay just because you honked at her because she almost caused a collision at the intersection, ruining your marriage and giving you AIDS. I say we kill all muties.

>>149412760
Generally, no matter who they’re programmed to kill, they will eventually turn against their masters and run amok in an orgy of blood and kicking and the biting with the metal teeth and the hurting and shoving. It’s just elementary Chaos Theory at work.

>>149412760
The Sentinels stories of the 60s and early 70s are just about AI going rogue, and they usually get stopped as soon as they try to start something. The first Sentinels story has the X-Men work alongside the army to fight them, the last story with Larry Trask's Sentinels has the Avengers stop them.

The only stories where the Sentinels tried to round up all the mutants took place in times where the very concept of 'civilian mutants' didn't really exist, it was literally just the X-Men, their villains, and a few other non-X-book mutant heroes and villains. And they were stopped pretty quickly every time, there was never, ever an extended period where they were hunting mutants, let alone having been deployed by the government to do it. Steven Lang and Bastion both went rogue and acted without authority to do so, Zero Tolerance ends with Bastion being arrested by SHIELD.

Modern X-Men comics have really brainwashed people with a completely fictitious version of the past which never happened, but the X-Men themselves act like it did.

>>149412653
>>149412862
What about in X-men the animated series? (I don't remember seeing any Sentinels in Evolution)

>>149410211
This just justifies all of the hate towards all mutants basically, some are mind rapists, egotistical narcissist douchebags, or self righteous, like cyclops.
>>149410795
ONE right?
>>149411063
True lmao

>>149412092
>>149412172
>>149412686
Banging a omega sentinel or even a cyborg sentinel woman would be probably heaven somehow.

>>149408730 (OP)
Maybe we shouldn't try to have 1:1 real life allegorys in fiction where there's situations that are impossible to replicate in real life.

>>149408730 (OP)
>giant robots
Oh boy! Don’t need to know anything else

>>149412884
>What about in X-men the animated series?
First episode had a single Sentinel attack the X-Men when the whole team was at the same mall, IIRC that Sentinel was a test-run by Trask and Gyrich. In the second episode, when the X-Men break into a government building, a squad of Sentinels are sent in, Morph is seemingly killed in the battle. Jubilee runs away and just happens to get caught by a Sentinel, then the X-Men track down the Sentinels, destroy them all and the factory making them. This kills the Sentinel program in the US.

Later in the season, Trask and Gyrich resurface in Genosha, where the regime funds the creation of Master Mold and more Sentinels. Though the X-Men and Cable overthrow the Genoshan leader, Trask, Gyrich and Master Mold manage to get out, and build a gorillion Sentinels for the season finale, where Master Mold turns on his creators and decides to take over the world, the X-Men team up with Magneto to destroy them before they can get started. Trask and Gyrich seemingly die trying to kill Master Mold.

An episode in the 4th season revealed Master Mold's head survived, along with some of his Sentinels, Morph overcomes his fear and destroys them all.

IIRC most other Sentinel appearances were in Bishop's future timeline.

We never get a "Sentinels on constant patrol" status quo in the cartoon, though people misremembering the early episodes may have led to them thinking that.

One of the seasons of Evolution ended with an X-Men vs Brotherhood vs Magneto battle being interrupted by a single prototype Sentinel and it taking them all working together to stop it. A later episode had several Sentinels being sent against Apocalypse and failing.

>>149412924
Yep. Even better, ONE iirc was Tony's idea, so the X-Men just kept on bitching at him every time they saw him

>>149412653
>The idea of the Sentinels just constantly patrolling America and hunting down mutants who live in constant fear of them comes from the opening arc of Ultimate X-Men.

No, it's from Days of Future Past, an alternate future where Sentinels took over North America, and put muties into concentration camps. They were actively patrolling cities there too, there were just no muties to kill because they were all in camps.

Ultimate X-Men expanded on the idea that sentinel attacks became a legitimate everyday thing, but they were already a stable of X-men stories by then.

>>149412760
>>149412862
>Wait, so Sentinels didn't always go around hunting innocent women ,children, babies , and teenager like some kkk bad racist robots ?

They did in Days of Future Past, but that was an alternate future story where Kitty psychically travels back in time to prevent it happening.
Sentinels extrapolated that since humans give birth to mutants, and their goal is to destroy mutants, logically they have to control humans to most efficiently kill mutants as soon as they are born. So they took over North America and killed most mutants and powered individuals (from t'challa and captain america to ghost rider to dr. doom to silver fucking surfer somehow).

X-men try to rebel, send Kitty back in time, and then try to take out Sentinel HQ (Baxter Building). The reason they do this after living decades in a camp is because the Sentinels want to make their control planet wide and Europe threatened to use nukes against them.

>>149409784
>though he and his fellow machines would eventually come after them wherever they went.
So what you're saying is that there's literally no point in leaving Earth, right? Because even if you leave, your enemies are still gonna fall you across the fucking solar system to genocide you. So if we adhere to that logic, then the best thing you can do, is stay on Earth so that you'll at least SEE what your enemies are doing and be able to launch a counterattack against them before it's literally too late.

>>149408855
Ross must fund that shit himself. They throw regular ass tanks at Hulk most of the time. Sentinels are clearly more expensive

>>149408807
>and outright banned races from marrying each other until a mere 60 years ago?
>Anon hates diversity and wants everyone to be mutts
Sad. Diversity is good, anon.

>>149412653
All I'm reading is that Trask and his successors are really shit at creating robots that don't fuck up and rebel against their programming so easily. Like, not Hank Pym fuck up-tier like he did with Ultron, but at least that was a one-off. True AI is kind of a crapshoot but there are still examples that turn out fine, like Vision and Hammond.

>>149408730 (OP)
If only they existed irl

>>149413358
>cites a Bad Future/AU story as the first example of this
Anon, DoFP had some sequels, but it remained a future/AU setting. It didn't mean Sentinel patrols in the present day were in any way a staple of X-Men stories, because they weren't. It was a doomsday scenario for a possible future.

There are also at least two different X-Men AU timelines where Apocalypse takes over and turns the world into a hellhole. This wouldn't be justification for some modern writer to pretend Apocalypse actually had been ruling present-day 616 Marvel for decades, and likewise, DOFP is not justification for pretending the present was always like that.

>>149413397
The future scenes in DOFP take place after the Sentinels have already won, and the mutants have all been imprisoned already. It's not a setting where we're SEEING Sentinel patrols constantly hunting down and killing rando civilian mutants, and they're not being sent by the government either, they've overthrown humanity and taken over. DOFP isn't justification for what the retards in the 2010s started pretending Marvel history is like.

>>149409393
Look at the current system with criminals walking free after committing heinous crimes.
Which poison do you want, the guilty impervious to the law or the innocent wrongfully punished?

>>149413594
I am kinda impressed nobody has ever suggested something like the sentinels to patrol the borders

>>149413587
The key thing here is the fact that Marvel and the fandom just want to bury; early Sentinels stories weren't really about muh racism, muh metaphor, muh oppression, they were science fiction stories about robots rebelling against their creators and threatening the whole world, and like a lot of things in 60s X-Men, more influenced by stories from sci-fi pulps than IRL racial issues. The fear of a race war with mutants was just a motivation for the Sentinels to be built, but dropped as soon as they go into business for themselves, which they do as soon as they're activated.

>>149413624
Look at how many people are actually innocent and go down for crimes they didn’t commit only to be exonerated years later.

>>149413624
How about whichever option doesn't involve extrajudicial murder by a mob of pissed off retards?

>>149413716
I still can't understand how those people don't come out much worse after that. They lost most of their life and the rest of the world moved on without them while they lived with human filth and ordered how to live for the time they served.

>>149408730 (OP)
The Military Industrial Complex chased after hulk for years muties wish they felt as oppressed as Hulk

>>149408730 (OP)
Yes.

>>149408807
>routinely
>implying it still happens
You must have wet dreams about living in the days when you could be lynched in broad daylight. I bet it burns you up inside knowing that you’ll never be hunted down like an animal, immortalizing yourself as a victim.

>>149413752
Almost as if the whole 'woe is him the world made him do it' thing is bullshit and criminals are just evil.

bump

>>149408730 (OP)
>the US government spending taxpayers money on giant robots designed to hunt down minorities?
When does this actually start? Because for a long while they were either privately funded (by other mutants) or they existed as a failsafe just in case Magneto chimps out.
Then suddenly in the 2000s it's like they've been hunting random mutants for years

>>149414763
>Biden-era Sentinels are programmed to ignore certain percentages of minority mutants under DEI initiatives

>>149413672
>Look, the reason someone built the sentinels was racist paranoia but that doesn’t mean the story had any elements of racism and you’re a hack to think sentinels represent racism even when that is the natural progression of their entire agenda to genocide people

>>149416110
>was racist paranoia
>I AM MAGNETO THE MASTER OF MUTANTKIND, LEADER OF HOMO SUPERIOR, ALL WORLD LEADERS WILL BOW TO MY WHIM OR I SHALL DESTROY THIS CITY OF EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE

>>149416146
By this logic all men are rapists pedos because Jeffrey Epstein raped teenagers for years and got sweetheart prison sentence for it and now the government is bending over backwards saying you should just forget about Epstein

>>149410165
Seethe brown.

>>149416174
NO, NO IT IS NOT
MAGNETO AND HIS BROTHERHOOD OF EVIL MUTANTS BENT ON WORLD DOMINATION WERE LITERALLY HALF OF ALL MUTANTS AT ONE POINT IN TIME AND ATTEMPTED TO MURDER MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS THIS IS IN NO WAY EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR A REGULAR CRIME RATE AGAINST THE POPULATION OF ALL MEN
KILL YOURSELF YOU INTELLECTUALLY DISINGENUOUS FAGGOT

>>149416219
Just forget about rapists and pedophiles, men get to do that to your daughters and wives, get over it.

>>149409296
a bit different, frank was convicted then randomly pardoned so he was escaping justice, i don't think guys saw a courtroom

>>149408730 (OP)
The average Marvel citizen thinks that red hair is a mutie conspiracy and will lynch Captain America because someone else said Cap likes pineapple pizza. The average Marvel citizen is a dumb ape.

>>149410609
Aah, so normal people like the comic book reader are innocent of 'mutie hate'. Good, I can read this shit without feeling guilty and root for the oppressed mutants now, right?

>>149411967
Vision's inability to produce sperm led to disastrous consequences for mankind so once again the civilians were correct

>>149416392
No, cause people have been racist even after Sublime stopped actively being evil, almost as if Marvel refuses to actually change the status quo for mutants so they can continue their pity party

>>149416294
This. They can and will beat their heroes into a trip to the ER even if they've done nothing to warrant it, like in Civil War, and regulary side with supervillains over heroes. Mutants deserve all the hate they get, but so do civilians.

>>149408750
I'm not sure...

>>149408730 (OP)
>So marvel citizens were just ok with the US government spending taxpayers money on giant robots designed to hunt down minorities?
Dude, US citizens RIGHT NOW are ok with the government spending taxpayers' money on the Gestapo to put minorities into concentration camps. Never underestimate human stupidity.

Unironically this is like one of the least problematic parts of average Marvel citizen bigotry

>>149408730 (OP)
marvel citizens are notoriously ungrateful shitbags, I don't know why anyone bothers saving them.

>>149408807
It's wild that this happened and yet people here on this site are too fucking stupid to fuck off with the bigotry.

>>149410609
I liked Morrison's run but this was the dumbest fucking retcon.

>>149408730 (OP)
Yes, it's happening in real life too.

Marvel civilians have always been psycho.
>>149418046
Unhinged take.

>>149418046
>US citizens RIGHT NOW are ok with
They aren't. They simply don't have a say in the matter.

>>149418120
How was my take unhinged?

>>149418121
Maybe they shouldn't have elected a bunch of Nazis in the first place then.

>>149418147
This ain't a politics board man.

>>149418158
So you're just going to ignore all the pro MAGA shit in this thread huh?

>>149409018
>This is why Mutants following the example of either MLK or Malcolm X is a mistake
This is something of a public perception, intensified by the movies. The X-Men are much much much much much much much much much much much bigger than that. It's a whole universe

>>149411404
The Shi'ar wouldn't

>>149418164
You bet.

Every day, the world goes out of its way to validate my believe that humans are inherently evil.

>>149412548
This chud isn''t.

>>149418046
If you are here illegally, you will be forced to leave.
I don't see how that's controversial.

>>149418300
>he thinks it's really going to stop with illegals
Imagine being this stupid

>>149418323
>Le slippery slope fallacy
Get better bait next time

>>149409784
Nimrod watches Nick Fuentes?

>>149408855
That picture is so fucking dumb

>>149418332
Trump literally threatened to revoke and deport Rosie O'Donnels citizenship and Republicans want to deport the New York Mayor guy for winning a primary despite him being a US citizen

>>149418332
They're literally already arresting citizens under the pretense of "arresting illegals" because they don't "look" like an American citizen.

>>149416392
Oh no, they're still guilty as sin. Just because the Devil was whispering in your ear does not excuse you actually carrying out what he tells you to do. Free will is still a factor, Sublime could only truly control a single human body at a time

>>149418332
Where are the Epstien Files, Donny?

>>149418460
Why didn't Biden release them?

Every day, the world goes out of its way to validate my believe that mutants are inherently evil.

>>149418585
That's Republicans

>>149418623
And Israelis.

>>149418649
And muslims

>>149418196
Only cause Xavier's crotch spawn is currently their ruler. Before, they were constantly plotting to murder the fuck out of Jean Grey and her progeny as well as everyone protecting her because they've never forgiven the whole "The Phoenix tried to genocide us" thing. And it's technically only worse since all the retcons to make Jean Grey innocent of doing that are now wiped, so she consciously did so. The moment Xavier's kid is off the throne, it's back to sins of the father.

>>149418164
Pro MaGa as you called it has a better name, friend : normal.
Anti maga is pro-freak

>>149418046
Make America white again.

>>149418964
>>149418978
Both of you are evil.

How does Marvel citizens hates mutants but not Spider-Men or Hulks?

>>149414092
ikr. Present day black americans are mostly violent spoiled brats. Their ancestors would be so disappointed

>>149421425
>not Spider-Men
>ENTER

>>149421425
>or Hulks?
>ENTER

>>149408730 (OP)
If Gypsy Grinder and Jeet Smasher robots existed in real life we would achieve world peace and unity for centuries.
I have no doubt in my mind that marvel universe has dozens of failed sentinel copies and shitty replicas,they are like racist kit cars.
Im certain black market has a conversion kit to pilot one by hand and lever.

>>149408730 (OP)
Giant robots are based. Hating muties is based. Simple as.
In all honesty though mutants are awful to have around and every time the Xmen do anything the world just gets worse.

>>149418390
You mean like how ice is throwing Mexicans out of planes, or how tow trucks are towing ice vans, or how that audio of a crying Mexican girl is totally real and not from a movie, or how ice raided a completely normal farm that wasn't an illegal pot farm run by a convicted pedophile who currently set to stand trial for more pedophile charges and the kids that were taken from the farm weren't being sex trafficked?
>>149418460
The democrats had those files under Biden and if there was anything on there that could ruin Trump, they would have exposed it already.

>>149421760
Who said anything about ruining Trump? I just want to know who all the kid diddlers are, simple as

>>149418585
>comics/shows try to portray mutants as oppressed and hated for no reason
>make some of them so dangerous they could literally end the world if they had a bad day
>some of the xmen's worst villains are mutants and justify every single fear humanity has against them
Does Marvel want to me to sympathize with mutants or not?

>>149421803
Fair enough, but i have a suspicion that it's not trump that's holding it back.

>>149421816
Worse, they want you to self-insert as them and imagine all the mutant haters as republicans/homophobes/normies/insert-person-you-hate

>>149421425
Marvel citizens hate everybody and deservedly so.

>>149409708
You sound like you come from a third world, dictator run shithole.

>>149421838
That it's an Uniparty problem should be pretty obvious by now.

>>149421760
>The democrats had those files under Biden and if there was anything on there that could ruin Trump, they would have exposed it already.
The "don't be too rude to Trump during an election campaign"-party would certainly do anything to ruin Trump.

I voted for President Loki because he said he’d increase spending on the Mutant Child Atomizer by 300%

>>149421876
I don't want to self-insert as the Xfrauds...they're so fucking lame and if I was a mutie in the Marvel universe but could still pass as a normal human I'd avoid them like the plague.
Every time those morons try to do literally anything like make their own country they end up making things worse for other mutants or the place gets blown up and thousands die. The Xmen fucking suck at their jobs.

>>149408730 (OP)
>That acrobatic stranger did a good deed!
>He must be a mutant!
>Let's lynch him!

>>149408872
A reminder that the marvel populace is chaotic evil and retarded.

Maybe the government should drop some missiles into all x-ghettos and the mutant problem is done

>>149422423
>MEANWHILE, IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION
Older comics have thier charm but this shit always irked me

>>149418496
Did biden run on releasing them? Where are they MIGA?

>>149421945
Super sensible, but sadly the type of people who report themselves as X-men fans aka the idiots o twitter/tik-tok outnumber you there

>>149418095
Legitimately where do you think you are?

>It's SongbirdDiamondback having a libtarded melty again

>>149423151
Not everyone here is as scared of black people as you are, dipshit.

>>149423235
Technically true, to their detriment

>>149421906
You sound like a niggerlover.

>>149418460
You think if such a list leaks.anyone will give a fuck? "Oh no rich peopel want to fuck a 13 year old boy, or 11 year old girl between shooting movies and making millions". Nah no one cares, thats what rich people do.
If some middle class diddles kids, thats pedophillia, for rich people thats eccentrism. People.wont do shit and everyrhing.will.go as usual

>>149409779
stop pretending you believe in God buddy

>>149423183
He's still around?

>>149423430
Yes, he lurks anonymously and throws libshit temper tantrums then lurks the inflation thread on /d/ and has the gall to threaten people with doxing (the same shit that made him flee 4chan)

>>149423303
>>149423311
>>149423330
.....God bless, anon

>>149421760
>The democrats had those files under Biden and if there was anything on there that could ruin Trump, they would have exposed it already.
>>149421838
>Fair enough, but i have a suspicion that it's not trump that's holding it back.
you're retarded, it's ALWAYS been Republicans who kept on going on about how they had the Epstein files and now that Trump is in a position and they're in a position to release them, suddenly they just 'don't' have them anymore. Because it's obvious Trump raped little girls and so did multiple GOP members, probably.

>>149408730 (OP)
>Mutant powers exist and I couldn't believe was the fact that humans were creating all this advanced tech in the 60s, just to address muties.
It's the most unbelievable thing to me as a kid and still bothers me now is that humanity has leapfrog their technological advancement to sci-fi levels just to counter the existence of mutants.

Baseline Marvel inventing the Sentinels in the 60s that completely makes our military weapons look like a joke is just unreal to me. I doubt we’ll live to see war-machines that comes close to the first iteration of Sentinels in our life times.

By creating Sentinels in the 60s, Trask not only had to be an expert on multiple fields but revolutionize those areas that’s far superior to even our current understanding of it, including artificial intelligence, robotics, computer programming, nanotechnology, laser technology, jet propulsion systems, battery energy storage, metallurgy, plasma and other energy based projectiles, scanners and that’s just at the top of my head.

Humanity in the Marvel universe over 60 years ago advanced their understanding of technology that's even more advanced and ahead of us even now in the 20s. They're centuries ahead of us in terms of technology, all because of muties.

Mutants = Mavericks
Sentinels = Maverick Hunters

>>149423584
It was kind of fucked to begin with when you consider shrinking technology was made earlier

>>149408730 (OP)
Yes, why should they not be? Take a look at the real world.

>>149409147
That literally happened during the 2nd half of Krakoa.

>>149423584
.......it's a comic book, anon.

>>149412653
The government has a stockpile of Sentinels as seen in Fatal Attraction and Operation Zero Tolerance and expanded into a worldwide program during Schism.

>>149418095
>It's wild that this happened and yet people here on this site are too fucking stupid to fuck off with the bigotry.

(they think it was a good thing and want to go back to it)

>>149408730 (OP)
I don't give a fuck what they do.
Just make the giant robots and let me drive one around.

Why dont they make sentinals for sex

>>149411605
Imagine if Southerners really were as randomly racist as libshits make them out to be
>one hot July afternoon
>Billy Boy Squimmydill is sitting on the front porch because he hasn't gone to work at the Mountain New Spitshining and Cousin Fuckin' Factory since it closed down because Big Hat Bucky the Senator of West Mageorgia took over and turned it into a car-racing and beer drinking and shit shititing hootenanny
"Welllll it's been a bit abouta a while since I done riggedy-rip-raped a NYIGGGAR!"
>Billy Bob jumps up and strums on a banjo that manifests in his hands before he tosses it asides and skips over to the side of his fence
"Heyyyy PUPPA CAL COMMAKLAN! Y'ALL DONE RAPED AND LYNCHED ANY NIGGARS A'LATE?"
>"Weellll I ding dong dillidydang do say it done be's a while since I heard the sweet lordy sounds of a well fucked buck doin' a deadman dance!"
"Weyaoon go'on git dat dere General Stownwahl outtada Grahge and let's go COOOON hunting! I tell you what!"
>"I TELLL YOOOU HWWHAT!!"
>Billy Bob and Puppa Cal hop in the orange car with stars and bars painted all over and peel out of the drive way, la cucharacha blaring from speakers
>as they reach the highway, hordes of fat sweaty whites pour in from everywhere to join, mobility scooters, rusty pickups, even the KKK ride in on firey horses, all carrying ropes and rakes and broken bottles
>all headed for Black Topeka, the most rich and cultured city this side of Wakanda, unfortunately too peaceful to defend against the lynch mob horde
>a mass scene of rape and plunder occurs as fat whites rip blacks limb from limb then beat the quadruple amputees with their own arms and legs, KKK members with their dicks out chase after young enterprising women of color to rape them in their edomite seedy ways
>a solitary tear drips from a stoic black child's eye as he looks at the camera that is your POV before twenty white people in suspender and denim overalls chop him apart with axes screaming 'RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE'

>>149418390
>arresting citizens under the pretense of "arresting illegals" because they don't "look" like an American citizen.
Got any sources?
Preferably primary sources?

>>149424385
>t. the lost episode of Squidbillies

>>149423893
Yeah. I'm telling you the most unbelievable thing to me in the comic book wasn't the superpowers or superhuman mutants who got their powers with some wacky x-gene created by godlike aliens, it's the fact that humanity had to pull technological revolution multiple times into sci-fi area, just to compete with the mutants.

What part of understanding the history, technological advancements and implications of humanity doing this in the context of the X-men universe do you find puzzling or confusing over my reaction to it?

>>149424452
To be fair, the Sentinels weren't created to 'compete' with mutants as a whole, they were meant to basically find and detain "evil mutants", which by that point were basically the Brotherhood of Mutants and...well, that's pretty much it. Not that Bolivar Trask was thinking of them, or thinking in general considering how fast his own creations decided humanity needed to be conquered.

>>149408730 (OP)
Shit like this is why X-Men existing with the other Marvel character just doesn't work? Nobody had any issue with the US goverment making an army of killer robots? Not Captain America? Or Iron Man? Or the Fantastic Four? Nobody? How do they even find mutants from other super powered being beings "muh x-gene" only gets you so far when Spider-Man and Hulk are canon mutates, or at least they were before the stupid magic bullshit


Hell, the villains could cetainly use them if they wanted to. Dr. Doom could easily hack them and make them do whatever he wanted, even if its a distraction for some greater goal

Hell, I'd be more surprised if that wasn't the plot of some storyline in something or other over the last 40 some years.

>>149423571
Stop pretending you care rich people rape little girls.
Youre sounding jealous youre not in on the fun

>>149424496
>Nobody had any issue with the US goverment making an army of killer robots? Not Captain America? Or Iron Man? Or the Fantastic Four? Nobody?
Before comic books homogenized their villain roster, Sentinels had no problem plaguing other superhero groups like the Avengers, or being used as pawns by bad guys like Loki

>>149424496
They don't like it and there's nothing they can do about it. Who's going to listen to them?

>>149422423
So basically, the mutant hate/fear came out of virtually nothing other than stan forcing it to happen for cheep social recognition

>>149424788
Marvel civilians hated all the heroes, that wasn't a characteristic unique to the X-Men. Fanboys who became editors/writers later decided they should hate the Fantastic Four and Avengers a little less.

>>149424788
That was how the civilians treated every single Marvel character who wasn't Captain America, anon. This was still at the point superheroes were part of the general science fiction category of comic, so they were treated more like freaks wandering through town than celebrities.

>Mutants: That's right, we are the homo superior! We will replace you lmao!
>Based mechacnical lifeforms show up
>Suddenly mutants are against making way for objectively superior forms of life
KWAB

>>149421425
Most of the time there are well under ten Spider-Men, all in one city, and even less Hulks. Spider-Man had the fake news media calling him 'threat or menace' all the time, and people really, REALLY hate the Hulk, usually with good reason, but Spider-Men and Hulks haven't presented themselves to the world as the new master race that's here to take over the world, kill or enslave you.

The world was introduced to mutants by way of Magneto declaring a race war, and the 'good' mutants ended up siding with him. The 'Marvel civilians are all dicks' meme never takes into account them having very valid reasons to hate mutants and feel threatened by them on an existential level, in a way other superhumans can't threaten them, no matter how much they dislike someone like Hulk.

>>149421945
>if I was a mutie in the Marvel universe but could still pass as a normal human I'd avoid them like the plague.
They'd track you down and either force you to join or kill you for being against them. There's no neutrality allowed in mutant matters.

>>149408730 (OP)
If Trump did this I would cum and cry tears of joy

>>149423584
The Sentinels are massively overengineered, poorly programmed, barely functional pieces of shit that struggle to carry out their one directive against mutants even when against mutants lacking combat-effective powers. A modern armed UGV with smart targeting systems would style on a team of Sentinels.

>>149413631
Motion activated sentry guns have been pitched & you can imagine how well that went over with some people

>>149408730 (OP)
>just ok with[...] spending taxpayers money on giant robots designed to[...]
Doesn't matter what the end of that sentence is. Yes.
Farming robot, military robot, rideable robot, pedo-killer robot, robot-fighting robot, construction robot
Yes, to all of it.

>>149425581
This. It isn't until they're approaching Nimrod levels of sophistication that they start becoming a legitimate threat

>>149426175
Ironically once they reach Nimrod levels of sophistication they develop moral reasoning.

>>149424868
>>149424931
Now they adore the FF

>>149425475
>force you to join or kill you for being against them
That's it. I'm calling the Sentinals. I'd rather die by giant tax money funded robots then run around wearing spandex for the rest of my life while being forced to fight for shit I don't give a damn about.
The amount of weird shit and relationship drama in the Xfrauds would be enough for me to neck myself if I was forced to join.

>>149410176
There is a reason to hate them. They’re all walking nukes. It’s like non-benders hating benders in avatar. Fuck you, why do you get to bully me with your ability to cause lightning storms?

>>149426801
>Fuck you, why do you get to bully me with your ability to cause lightning storms?
Because alien machine-gods fiddled with one of my distant monkey ancestor's splooge, so you fuck you, I'm in charge now.

>>149423311
>>149424501
>Stop pretending you care! Rich people rape, it's just what they do!
I find you disgusting and genuinely believe you and people who think like you should be eradicated. This kind of chud-logic "whatever the libruls don't like is gud" shit has gone too long, too far, and has reached the point where you are incompatible with the continuance of civilization.

>>149424868
>>149424931
That's just it, though. The marvel public hated all the heroes but somehow they hated mutants specifically more? "I hate the pretty red head girl more than I hate the rock monster". I mean, heck, In the first xmen book, the air force thanked the team for their help. It all changed because someone in the bullpen thought it was a great idea to have a laser eyes guy be a stand in for black people.

>>149412076
Based on the Jews that Only even exist in your mind and other anti-semites?

>>149427050
Stan wasn't thinking of race at all, and if he was, he was thinking of Jews, not black people.

>>149426619
Took ages to get to that point

>>149427050
>The marvel public hated all the heroes but somehow they hated mutants specifically more?
They didn't though. That was later writers deciding to double down on the mutant hatred. Heck, by issue 2 they were minor celebrities.The X-men oscillate a lot when it comes to the hatred bit, but they used to have a pretty good reputation even into the 90's with the Legacy Virus and Heroes Reborn scandals going on. And then shit dropped right off a cliff in the 2000's.

Though to be fair, it was kind of a long time coming, since unlike most other superheroes the X-men hid their presence from the world and refused to explain anything about themselves. And if you think I'm being unfair to them, just consider how much shit Spider-Man has gotten his entire career for the same level of obfuscation and refusal to explain himself when shit looks bad despite his overall friendliness.

>>149410176
>I don't know maybe make them spread mutant AIDS.
>You now remember the Legacy Virus

>>149427095
I think a lot of people today can't see past identity politics because of how they're taught, so once they know Stan and Jack were both Jewish, they assume everything either of them worked on must have been about race and oppression because in their minds how could it not? Most of the time they were just making superhero comics for kids, and when they wanted to deal with social or racial issues, they didn't hide behind allegory and metaphor, they were blatant and obvious with it.

A few years ago some anon went into detail about the pulp stories that actually inspired early X-Men, IIRC the main influence was called The Baldies.

>>149427235 is right about early X-Men being all over the place on whether the public like them or not, sometimes the main catalyst seems to be people using powers while wearing normal clothing, rather than putting on a costume and essentially warning the world to stand back, you're going to be doing super power stuff. But alternatively, you've got issues where teens like the X-Men, and some beatnik guys are fans of Beast. Early X-Men is much more about being a teen book than a Race book, the first meeting and fight with the Avengers is played as a clash between generations.

The problem we have today is the way "mutants are a metaphor" took over the book and became the core theme means people cherry pick isolated panels or pages from 60s X-Men and either pretend they mean that it was always the way it is now, or pretend that these moments justify the book becoming all about that and about nothing else, and have a meltdown at anyone who dares suggest maybe it would be better off not being about that all the time.

>>149424496
The X Gene is a direct result of Celestials tinkering with human DNA in the past, and they're all essentially tiny warps in reality that give mutants thier powers. As such, they all have a distinct energy signature that both Senteniels and Cerebro use to track down mutants. Mutates like Spider-Man, FF or Hulk are regular humans who had what-have-you catalyst come along to trigger thier powers. They're similar but dont have the little reality tears in thier DNA, so they dont show up on those radars

>>149427427
I just miss the days where the X-men weren't moping about "the future of the mutant race" and just trying to help who they can. Feels like every other issue or so has to be devoted to one or multiple X-men feeling sorry for themselves about that particular angle compared to their usual moping about something more immediate in their lives

>>149427451
How come humans can have mutant kids them?

>>149427590
Cause mutants are humans. Always have been, always will be.

But really, it comes and goes. It used to be implied that the Celestial tinkering was why humans would mutate into all kinds of random monsters or randomly gain superpowers, but then they retconned it so the Celestials were paying special attention to the X-men style mutants over the others. So it's kind of a failsafe if the mutants ever manage to wipe themselves out to extinction. Which they have. Repeatedly.

>>149408730 (OP)
Marvel Civilians are fucking cunts.

>>149427568
>I just miss the days where the X-men weren't moping about "the future of the mutant race"
And not even believing there was a "mutant race". That should always have just been something villains believed in, like the one thing Magneto and someone like Stryker would agree on. The X-Men othering themselves and the books becoming about "mutantkind" was a terrible mistake. So was 'the X gene'. We need to go back.

>>149427763
>in DC depending on where you live being a metahuman is a minor inconvenience
>in Marvel being a mutant means a suprisingly organized lynch mob will then spawn in your immediate location
The DC Marvel crossover made me kek because the Avengers were so confused by civilians actually liking heroes to the point where they thought everyone was brainwashed and the JL were tyrants that were forcing people to worship them as gods.

>>149427960
>in Marvel being a mutant means a suprisingly organized lynch mob will then spawn in your immediate location
To be fair, that kid had no business trying to look like that, it shouldn't be allowed. What was he thinking?

>>149427022
Thats cute anon. Hold on to that thought when youll be facing the wall with your friends

>>149427960

>>149408730 (OP)
>looks at current events
obviously

>>149428198
>mutants the moment they go to the DCU and the government doesn't waste tax money on funding giant killer robots
Scott would have a stroke after a civilian thanks the Xmen for saving them.

>>149427427
>and have a meltdown at anyone who dares suggest maybe it would be better off not being about that all the time.

And turn into a reprint title again like the did before Giant Sized X-Men?

>>149427797
>The X-Men othering themselves and the books becoming about "mutantkind" was a terrible mistake
This. I can't read Xmen books anymore with how genuinely shitty the Xmen have become in terms of philosophy because the whole point in the beginning was that mutants are just humans and belong with humanity as a whole. Now it's turned into "muh mutants are the future" and "muh mutantkind is superior to humans" like mutants are not some separate species like hack writers keep pretending they are.

>>149418496
good point, sounds like we need two jail cells ready to go

>>149412451
God thatd be a fun premise. Mutants are actively supported by 2A people because they think it counts as a god given right.

>yuck, look at this Storm woman! Casting lightning and being totally not human at all! Fucking mutants

>oh my god, is that THOR? The guy who casts lightning and is actually is a non-human alien from a different realm of existance? I LOVE HIM

How does this make any sense

>>149424095
Why would you even want to do that?

>>149424452
You are autistic as fuck

>>149429128
The same way people once didn’t consider several different countries in Europe as white and suddenly they did when it allowed them to pool together to be racist against other people

>>149429128
Storm sexo

>>149429128
The Xmen would stop being relevant if humans didn't hate muties anymore.

>>149429128
Storms kind of a cunt. Shes a cunt when she marries BP, shes a cunt in the movies, shes kind of a bitch in like half the comics or has zero character in other comics.

>>149427960
>The DC Marvel crossover made me kek because the Avengers were so confused by civilians actually liking heroes to the point where they thought everyone was brainwashed and the JL were tyrants that were forcing people to worship them as gods.

Cap wasn't entirely rational when he jumped to that conclusion. He was poisoned against DC by his status as the ur-Marvel character, giving him fundamental antipathy to DC.

>>149429294
Maybe, but thats not exactly the point. Its rather that one kind of meta human is treated totally different than this other kind of meta human, despite their appereance and powers are nearly the same for the average in-universe onlooker without complete information.

>>149429128
One of Thor's literal titles is "Defender of Mankind" and he's historically carried out the associated duties since just a bit after Atlantis sank at the absolute latest and he's still actively worshipped in 616 even if it basically never comes up. Factor in that the Abrahamic faiths in 616 are canonically not actually divinely inspired, with the God of the Bible claiming he had nothing to do with actually setting Judaism, Christianity, or Islam up they just kinda happened around him and that it's mainly the angels [very rarely] or the One Above All [even MORE rarely] who answer prayers, with the latter not really picking favorites among faiths anyway so your odds are pretty fucking low there anyway, and Thor is unironically one of the like few deities who have a consistent history of helping humanity throughout their history, alongside Bast, the Voudoun, Anansi, and the Greeks. So I'd imagine that's how it makes sense.

>>149429717
but how much of that is even known to the average marvel citizen on the street? Stories tend to depict them as rather stereotypical caricatures of ignorant people

>>149429862
Average marvel citizen is so racist towards mutants that they have a Spidey sense that helps them differentiate mutants from superhumans/gods/aliens so they can racist effectively.

>>149429862
A lot, actually, he's been active for almost all of human history and is buddies with Hercules, whose equally active family fought in WWII against the Axis. Like he went inert a bit *recently* but he was provably active recently enough that most people would have covered at least some of his actions in world history classes or even social studies even IF it didn't have like a religious unit. And there's no way the fact that Thor historically answers prayers more frequently than a literally almost dead silent Judeo-Christian god has gone unnoticed for like 2k+ years in a world where Dracula being a real ass vampire is a known thing and New York City has been invaded by actual demons from hell like twice in living memory.

>>149429128
She announced her mutant status, if she didn't there wouldn't have been any difference in treatment.

>>149429862
>>149429886
Nah its still guesswork, if they deny they're mutants then the person will take it on face value even if they actually are a mutant, then they'd rather die than get saved. >>149429909

>>149430554
>guy would rather drown then possibly be saved by a mutant
Kek
Why don't mutants just say they got hit by lighting or radiation or something if they want to fit in?

>>149430565
>>149429862
>>149429886
Oops meant to refer to this >>149430554

>>149427763
>>149422423
>>149430554
i mean, if people like these make up the average masses of the populace, can you really blame Magneto?

>>149430656
yes cause he's still a mass murderer

>>149430656
He likely killed a who.w lot of mutants in his world-wrecking antics. World wide EMPs, unlike mutants, don’t discriminate

>>149429128
Bigotry never has to make any sense. People are retarded everywhere.

>>149430656
Yes

>>149430656
No

>>149430656
Maybe

>>149430656
I don't know?

>>149430656
Can you repeat the question?

>>149410609
...But what about racism towards non mutants was that also bacteria?

>>149408730 (OP)
In a world where mutants are doing daily 9/11's and attempting genocide either against themselves or humanity? Yes 100%.

>apocalypse in numerous timelines genocides the world
>magneto "disappears" all the humans from genosha
>cassandra (mutant) incinerates all the mutants on genosha
>scarlet witch genocides 90% of humanity
>scarlet witch genocides 99% of mutants
>beast genocides terra verde

They are an insane group of hyper-violent, perma-victims that are a constant threat to themselves and everyone else on earth.

>>149431600
>mutant are the biggest threat to humans
>mutants are also the biggest threat to other mutants
Why do mutants suck so much?
Not even aliens have this much success trying to wipeout humanity by comparison.

>>149426436
even then Ultron would still diss them for thinking small

>>149431746
because in a comic about mutant, you gotta involv mutants into drama for it to be interesting enough to sell

>>149431858
100% logical, but also very much makes it harder to justify the "not all mutants" bit when the only mutants we actually see as readers happen to be the guys most likely to wreck the world and/or imperil it while trying to save it

>>149408807
Emmett Till deserved it

>>149418095
Most of the time it was for justified crime in rural areas. You don't hear about the white that were killed by lynching though

>>149408730 (OP)
Can you show me any evidence that marvel american citizens actually agree with the Sentinels?

>>149430656
Yes, he's the reason.

>>149430656
>can you really blame Magneto
Yes, the dipshit introduced mutants as a group of conquerors to the world and cried foul afterwards when he got his ass slapped down. Marvel citizens are fucking retarded and generally react negatively to anyone even slightly more powered than Black Widow, but it's entirely his fault that mutants as a group are treated with the extreme scrutiny they usually get.

>>149430690
/co/ has done the math for some of Magneto's shenanigans and estimated he's on the hook for a couple thousand mutants death directly, making him the second leading cause of mutant death in the MU.

>>149433176
This. Most anti-mutant humans don't reach barely triple digits

Magneto simps have no answer for this one.

>>149412076
They also use the same soft power tactics.

>>149433957
I like that on top of freaking out about being a techno-zombie Trask was horrified about the company his legacy had placed him in.

>>149433957
>mutants are so despicable on a fundamental level that the smartest among them kill their own brethren with wild abandon
You know what, that tracks.

>>149427763
Did Flash get lynched?

>>149435479
No

>>149408730 (OP)
why won't the US government just send the sentinels to ukraine or Dr. Doom or during the secret invasion? Why not just use them for actual defense.

>>149428115
The funny thing about fascism is that it always ends up eating itself. You WILL be on the chopping block eventually, dummy. You won't be white enough or rich enough to please your betters and then it will be the wall for you too. Fucking retard.

>>149436736
The prime directive of sentinels is to exterminate mutants. That's been in the code base since the first generation. Apparently it's bloody difficult to change that or even to get rid of it. Juston from Avengers Academy kind of did, but only kind of, because the way he did it was by adding new directives and giving them priority over the original one, which he couldn't get rid of. And even then nobody seems to understand how he did that. It's dumb as shit, but that's the way it is.

Basically unless the problem you're trying to solve is that of mutie population growth trending in the wrong direction, sentinels are never gonna be the answer to your problem.

>>149431580
Nope, that was allllllllll you, Jim Bob. See you in Hell

>>149436891
It may eat itself as long as itneradicates all the subhuman before that.
Scorched earth if need be as long as those faggots meet a violent and painful end and their lives are taken from them.

>149414092
>Federal takeover of multiple police forces with internal gangs where you had to kill a black person to get in and then you got a tattoo
>Multiple instances of black dudes being suicided, including one by noose on a tree known for lynchings

>>149416146
All they had to do was back up the paramilitary force specifically created partly to counter to his ambitions.

>>149434218
I wish they'd use aestethics they briefly had in X-force around 2008 more.
>Occult templar militia christianity
+
>Superadvnced time-traveling robots
Is insanely powerful aestethic combo

>>149437005
>sentinels are so poorly coded they can barely do the one thing they are supposed to do and nothing else
What kind of fraud did they hire to make this shit?
Tony and Pym can make AI so advanced it can think for itself in the same time these hunks of scrap exist.

>>149408730 (OP)
It's not secret if no one knows it is secret. The government does things, decides things, without telling the voters all the time. You aren't told how much is spent on battleships or bombing aircraft. The Sentinels are the same thing, just comicbooked up.

>>149408807
>Murders a white guy with his two friends
>becomes a civil rights activist to 'get justice' for his two friends who got lynched for it
Not a real big endorsement for the justice of his cause.

>>149437305
i stopped reading the comics around the Krakoa era because it just made me despise the xmen, thank fuck that island finally got nuked

>>149410211
Since Marvel's on a sliding timescale, all this happened in the span of 11 years

>>149438178
Boy, just wait til they hear the story of Leo Frank.

>>149438062
Outsourcing to the lowest bidder is a time-honored tradition in the military industrial complex.

>>149408730 (OP)
My main gripe is that giant robots are obscenely inefficient when your intent is to police and defend against human-sized targets in a big overcrowded city like New York. It's the kind of showy but useless boondoggle Raytheon would pull to pad their quarterly budget.

>>149408807
Why are white people so intrinsically vicious and vile?

>>149441103
>>149438178

>>149441035
The Sentinel program probably blew all their budget on materials to even make these things. They've got shit coding so if they were smaller they'd be useless and easier to destroy, everything is likely outsourced to save on funding like >>149440219

>>149441035
Originally, sentinels weren't manufactured, they were produced by an even bigger robot whose name I don't remember.

>>149441612
It was like if it gave birth to them

>>149437005
>>149440219
I'm pretty sure a room full of jeets vibe coding for minimum wage could produce a better code for less than the price of a car. I'm sure you could rope a couple of grad students to build you a new code for free as a grad thesis and a paid internship. Does no one in the MU know how to reflash firmware?

>>149437305
Half the problem with the anti-mutant groups is a lack of good aesthetics. Mad scientist templars is a great look but aesthetics could the other ones have?

>>149441035
>>149441500
Boeing maybe, but Raytheon/LockMart would probably churn out something like the OG Sentinel designs as the showpiece for a family of systems where a bunch of traditionally designed drones and UGVs are the primary workhorses. Your humanoid robot looks cool clearing rooms with blaster hands and trading blows with Beef Supreme, but the pair of tracks with a camera mount and a Bushmaster is turning Johnny Explosion Hands and Miss Mental Powers into chunky meat spread from 500 meters out while guided by a low-altitude observation drone.

>>149441728
this makes me wonder why the concept for the sentinels is pretty much still the same since the 60s and hasn't really changed that much despite the mutant powerscaling reaching ridiculous levels, them jobbing to poorly programmed tincans isn't really that believable despite how much the writers try to spin it...i think Nimrod is the only one that can be considered an "advanced" sentinel and he's from the distant future meaning it takes forever for the sentinels to actually become effective.

>>149441612
Master Mold, I only really remember the Wolverine and The X-Men cartoon version being a giant fembot with dreadlocks.

>>149442310
Omega Sentinels are massively advanced and genuinely threatening due to both a fairly robust powerscale and sleeper cell method of operation. You could even have an Omega Sentinel whose base body is a mutant. You're right though, Sentinels are weaksauce. Giant lumbering robots the size of buildings who can be outrun on foot with an unimpressive amount of firepower that feel more like they're kept around because god forbid anything in comics be updated effectively. Evolution had a great Sentinel depiction even if they had it job in its second appearance. Sure, it's a giant robot but it packed a plethora of offensive systems that needed two superteams just to hold it off. And that's how it should be, if a Sentinel shows up that's your giant team fight scene. Just one. Any more and it's a crossover issue. Even the totally not!Spider-Slayers from WatXM seemed more impressive than the regular Sentinels that showed up in the future timeline.

>>149442310
>this makes me wonder why the concept for the sentinels is pretty much still the same since the 60s
They time-traveled themselves into existence.

But the real problem is that writers can't allow humans get a win. Most anti-mutnat humans are too coded with people writers hate, so they'd rather have mutants get completly destroyed by aliens/ancient bacteria/other mutants than giving some wins to mutant-haters.

Ironically, the 'god loves, man kills' - story (the one that codified X-men human villains) worked so well because Reverend Stryker scores massive Wins (capturing and mentally breaking Xavier, humbling Magneto), and is a credible threat over the story. There's a reason why his shadow lingers over entire series.

Writers would rather see mutants lose to ancient aliens / bacteria / interdimensional TV moguls / other mutants than letting anti-mutant humans be credible threats.
They just occasionally show up, commit some topical terrorist attack and then disappear from overall narrative.

>>149442433
Omega Sentinels are an interesting concept but are completely wasted most of the time by writers. Big ass robots that you can see from miles away that can get blow up by fodder xmen side characters feel really dumb to send against mutants that can level cities. I'm guessing this is why most of xmen's villains are other mutants because the writers don't want to come up with stronger and more complex non-mutie villains.

>>149442446
writers refusing to write anti-human mutant villains that are actual threats is so fucking stupid...the fact that it just ends up with the x-men fighting literally everyone except the anti-mutant humans that hate them is so ironic it's funny...at this point humans in x-men books just exist to be caricatures or stand-ins for the writers to do that chad vs basedjack meme but with mutants vs "insert very blatant parody of group/person i don't like" humans.

>>149441035
The logic is that since the people making it aren't Tony Stark tier geniuses, and because mutants can do all kindsa shit, that it's easier to power them with a big clunky power source and stuff in enough stuff made bulky but efficient and cheap without super complex engineering or special materials to produce a unit that can reliably hope to deal with a mutant whose powers aren't total shit.

Since it's not gigacomplex "only one engineer could figure out how to do this" super sophisticated and precisely engineered tech and it's not using any crazy materials like adamantium or the like for the machinery, or any special power sources, it cuts costs massively compared to a comparably effective but way smaller robot that's harder to manufacture where as sentinels can literally be repaired or built using repurposed scrapmetal.

>>149442446
>>149442540
I know it's because they don't want any of the anti-mutant villains to seem "cool" to readers but a cool villain always improves a story. It really speaks to the problems in the franchise that the status quo of the heroes has readers legitimately agreeing with the characters who hate the protagonists. When a villain shows up in Batman going "Grr, I hate Batman" no reader thinks "Let's hear him out first" because for whatever issues or faults the writers put upon him the stories still treat his actions as a net positive over the villain's. I've put some thought into it and here's what I think they should do with the anti-mutant groups:
>Purifiers: generalize them to all religious-based anti-mutant ideological groups. They also hate any other superhuman lineage groups like Inhumans and Atlanteans along with anything demonic or magical.
>Reavers: Purely anti-mutant, see themselves as both defenders of humanity and a vanguard of a cybernetic posthumanity that is engaged in a zero-sum conflict with mutants.
>Sapien League: Rather than anti-mutant, they're anti-mutant supremacy; specifically they target any one or group that espouses ideology that places mutants as superior to humans. They're not really active antagonists to the X-Men but have a low-threshold for action and very trigger happy.
>The U-Men: Transhumanists that view mutants as unworthy recipients of genetic privilege and resource for convenient biomods.
>Friends of Humanity: Oppose everything not human. Mutant, Inhuman, alien, robot, Deviant, Eternal, Neo, Children of the Vault, Atlantean, Olympian, Asgardian, Hell, Limbo, Moloid, Negative Zone, if it isn't Homo Sapiens it needs some killing.

>>149442697
X-men writers have had the problem where they are terrified of making any anti-mutant human villain beyond just a minor jobber or a caricature for whatever X-men character is the mouthpiece for the writer to go prove wrong. It bogs down most mutant stories since the anti-mutant humans are either just random lynch mob or bigoted goons that only exist to be cannon fodder.
Having villains be genuinely terrifying, imposing, and cool can really elevate a story because it makes the stakes higher and it's true what they say, a good story needs a "good" villain. X-men writers need to stop being so wishy-washy with who the mutants fight.

>>149442780
Exactly. Give me high-tech templars going on a purge, give me freakshit cyborgs ripping and tearing, hell give me a militia with a couple of technicals reminding the X-Men that most of their members aren't bulletproof.

>>149442920
Unfortunately that would require Marvel give the X-men books to someone who doesn't project their personal problems onto the characters. I'd love an anti-mutant group that actually is interesting to read about instead of whatever boring one-dimensional punching bag the writers make. They should bring back that mutant cure idea that floats around sometimes and have a anti-mutant group that genuinely believes it's saving mutants from themselves by making them normal again, with tech cult stuff that let's them counter most mutant powers so they can "cure" mutants while the X-men run from them. Your ideas sound good too.
I think I remember one time where Hank was developing a cure for the x-gene because he wanted to use it on himself to be normal again but Logan being Logan, decided he didn't want Hank to leave the X-men and literally fought him to destroy it. I hate that the X-men have this crab bucket mentality with mutants that barely gets explored.

>>149428506
If it's a binary choice between cancellation and X-Men remaining what it is now, then cancellation is the correct choice.

>>149430554
As has been pointed out many times when you've posted that page, it's from a time period when the Legacy Virus panic was running wild and news had broken that the virus could spread from mutants to humans. Of course nobody wanted to be touched by a mutant.

>>149443240
>the writers had to give mutants aids at some point
has there been anything the writers haven't written that makes the public hate mutants?

>>149426881
I'm going to build a giant rapebot to correct your tyrannical behavior and- OH RAPEBOT NOOO!

>>149437284
>paramilitary force
You mean poorly trained civilian militia with no standards but multiple weapons of mass destruction packed into their ranks? Of course the US government should funnel all of its money into a private organization that actively hides itself as much as possible and never sticks around to assess any damages they may have caused in the conflict.

>>149408872
Yeah it really stretches suspension of disbelief too thin. I can't ever picture America profiting heavily off of any monitors but silently tolerating if demonizing them, only to open the floodgates of hatred and genocide the moment someone in charge says they've gotta go.

Why did no one react to this. Where are the Avengers? Wasnt this near the coast of Africa? What did Black Panther think of it?

>>149443399
Unironically they were fucking busy fighting Kang to save the world at the time IIRC.

>>149443021
>I hate that the X-men have this crab bucket mentality with mutants that barely gets explored
Same. That Krakoa randomly died to some jobber organization that randomly became super powerful instead of their own hubris was just icing on that shit cake. The idea that an entire new generation of mutants growing up ripped away from any stable or traditional upbringing would all just be happy little hedonist californians was ridiculous. Every other mutant hate group should first and foremost be built around a mutant or former mutant who fucking hates the constant disgusting shit both the Brotherhood and X-men get up to, someone who is rightfully upset that the X-men think they can just steal children away from their parents, their friends and neighbors, their countries, and induct them into their shitty cult that tries to eclipse everything they are.
But any time any mutant character even exists and stays away from mutant bullshit the x-office will immediately sandbag them as hard as possible to strawman them

>>149443399
Cyclops confronted Nick Fury about why SHIELD did nothing and got a reply along the lines of "SHIELD doesn't have jurisdiction outside the US of A." Never mind that SHIELD is an agency of the UN and Fury has never given a damn about borders in the past. So since Fury didn't give an excuse and his explanation was contrafactual, it's fair to assume SHIELD did nothing to help simply because nobody wanted to.

>>149443438
Krakoa was so incredibly shit with how it felt like the writers couldn't decide if it was a hedonistic mutie cult or some gay utopia where mutants throw shitty parties and pretend they didn't have some of the most evil mutants in existence living with them. There were signs and everything needed in the story to have Krakoa collapse in on itself with the X-men becoming more awful, turning a blindeye to guys like Sinister and Apocalypse. Fucking Kingpin was allowed to go to the island just because he married a mutant.
The writers on the other hand decided there was nothing horribly wrong or disturbing about the island or the X-men cultishly trying to gaslight every mutant on Earth that they don't belong in society so they should other themselves and live on the island instead. I'll never forgive that time they literally tried to strongarm the Fantastic 4 into giving up their son to them because he was a mutant but immediately kicked him out when they found out he wasn't. Or every time they accuse people of not helping them when the Avengers are busy with other world ending crisis and when you try to help them they go "It's a mutant problem. Stay out of this." It's so ass.

>>149443652
>I'll never forgive that time they literally tried to strongarm the Fantastic 4 into giving up their son
I don't think you're using the phrases "literally" or "strongarm" or "giving up" quite right in this context.

>>149443652
I wonder what was the point of then doing that FF and X-men mini when like soon after that they retconned Franklin to not be a mutant anyway. I mean the whole beef Reed had for Xavier regarding his memory on the device turned out to never matter anyway.

>>149443399
Kang was a much higher priority. It's like a family getting killed in a home invasion by some thugs while a full blown invasion from a foreign military is happening in the same area. Yeah, it sucks, but one is a much higher priority to respond to.

For that matter, why didn't the X-Men do anything about it? Why expect everybody else to drop what they're doing to handle matters they've taken stewardship over?

>>149422987
>well... i never saaaaid i'd release them...

>>149418460
>epstein files
some idiot online confuses the file with the rumored client list for the 12,746,355th time

>>149426619
Reed specifically turned Ben Grimm into a star and a billionaire to make up for the fact that he fucked up his life forever by turning him into a monster.

>>149427235
>Heck, by issue 2 they were minor celebrities.
You are right in that the X-men always oscillate between hated and loved (in san francisco half the town lowed them, half of them wanted to be them), but a bunch of ladies loving Angel of all people is no indication of the entire team being loved. He's a tall blonde hunk, who happens to be a millionaire and looks like a saint out of the bible. Pretty much the most ideal guy in 60s Christian America.

>>149435479
>Did Flash get lynched?
He ran away. Eventually.

>>149443930
Marvel writers love making conflict between hero teams and dropping it immediately or forgetting about it.

>>149443989
Kirby had a bunch of beatniks go full footfag over Beast, the least photogenic guy on the team.

>>149432662
Mutants were getting screwed over and abused by humans long before Magneto ever put on the helmet.

>>149443399
>Why did no one react to this.
Because Morrison didn't want to be putting other superheroes in his X-Men stories. Later writers trying to turn Genosha into something for the X-Men to constantly bring up and bash the Avengers for is just retarded, and readers who see it and think "wow, Emma Frost is so right here" are just as retarded.

In-story, the whole thing happened within minutes, to quickly for anyone to have reacted to, the X-Men themselves didn't do anything about it, and couldn't have done anything about it, complaining that nobody else showed up is just stupid. Also, Genosha was a rogue nation ruled by a terrorist megalomaniac who'd literally just tried to start WWIII in the X-Men storyline immediately before this, so the general reaction from most of the rest of the world was pic related.

>>149443930
Editorial/writer conflict between the X-Men and FF offices that escalated to the point of the FF book revealing Franklin wasn't a mutant to force the X-Men office and writers to stop trying to grab him just to be yet another big gun in Krakoa's arsenal.

>>149444639
Magneto's attack is still canonically the moment where humanity learns mutants are real. Prior to that, some governments and intelligence agencies knew about certain individuals, but to everyone else they were at most /x/-tier conspiracy nonsense nobody believed in.

As recently as the Way of X book this was reference as the canon moment when humans learn mutants are real by way of Magneto declaring war on them.

>>149408730 (OP)
>We programmed them based off of TayTweets and FBI crime statistics.

>>149443399
What the fuck is that?

>>149445066
when i think about it this is the 3rd? time the mutants have tried to make a weird isolationist nation for themselves and it got nuked again so to the average Marvel citizen it must have just been business as usual...

>>149445241
A giant Sentinel built out of out literal junkyard trash, that flew 8000 miles across several countries without anyone noticing, and then killed millions of mutants in something like 30 seconds, that the X-Men love to blame the Avengers for happening.

>>149445181
They had a statue of Magneto trying to launch the nukes and everything (which Nightcrawler grabbed and staged to try and prank Maggie with, only to be disgusted at how PROUD the old fuck was of that declaration of war)

>>149445410
>flew 8000 miles across several countries without anyone noticing, and then killed millions of mutants in something like 30 seconds
Sentinels are either fodder that exist to job to C list mutants or they are the deadliest thing ever in X-men books. There is so in-between.

>>149445455
This super-Sentinel literally shut itself down after destroying Genosha, so the X-Men didn't have to figure out how to defeat it, which was Morrison's way of writing himself out of the corner he'd painted himself into.

>>149445444

Do you have an image of that, because holy fuck that's shitty

>>149445565
Sometimes I wonder how there are any mutants left in Marvel when these giant death robots are competently doing their jobs.

>>149445608
Here you go, anon

>>149445181
>Magneto is picrel whenever humans are ignoring mutants

>>149445755

>>149445762

>>149445777
Same issue he saw Pixie get goaded by her friends into getting her head blown off by a shotgun, btw

>>149409296
>>149409243
Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith were black

>>149445794
I hate the fact that Kurt was one of the only normal people on Krakoa for a while then the writers decided to make him a creepy psycho too.
Changing his origin story to being an ass baby from two murderous lesbians made me sick. I miss when Kurt was a gentlemanly Catholic dude.

>>149432164
>no court of law, just murder them
I can see why Superman was created for the later generation

>>149445847
Honestly feels like he's one of the X-men who's been super dirty in recent time, especially since he outright gave up an afterlife in Heaven only to deal with all of this shit

>>149445847
It's over for Nightcrawler, he's never going to escape the buttbaby origin now. Or the partying with furries.

I really hate how some idiot at Marvel decided he wanted Mystique and Destiny to be the company's equivalent of Harley & Ivy, so now we're expected to just ignore everything they've done in the past, ignore Mystique being a murderous psychopath, and ignore the miles of dick she's taken as well, so we can pretend they're wacky 'be gay, do crime' characters everyone loves.

>>149445847
>>149445906
This was all Claremont's original intent. The more conservative editors who told him no are gone.

>>149445902
Kurt deserves better then being stuck with the Xfreaks.
I wish he left Krakoa the moment he saw all the cultish bullshit going on, but then it would've made Krakoa look bad I guess.

>>149445906
I feel like the writers just really hated Kurt being a Catholic and a good person so they had to drag everything about him through the mud.
And yeah, Mystique and Destiny are fucking horrible people. Mystique especially with all the time she's betrayed everyone and fucked other people while pretending to be someone else. Her and Destiny deserve to get stepped on by sentinels.

>>149445959
Between him becoming a cult leader/secret police force, being mutated/brainwashed into a secret attack dog, his one attempt to escape the X-men books as a fake Spider-Man being foiled by X-shit, and then learning that all his efforts to treat Mystique and Destiny like family were 100% wasted since Destiny never loved him and Mystique doesn't love him enough to think of him as her son, he seriously needs to consider retiring

>>149445847
>Changing his origin story to being an ass baby from two murderous lesbians made me sick.
they did WHAT/

>>149445924
>This was all Claremont's original intent.
No it wasn't. Claremont's original intent was Nightcrawler being the son of Nightmare, which the Doctor Strange writer blocked him from doing. And Claremont didn't even create Nightcrawler anyway, he was Cockrum's creation. Nightcrawler being the buttbaby of lesbian terrorists wasn't anybody's original intent, the idea that it was "the original plan" is a lie. It's not even more valid than the Azazel origin, and manages the feat of being more retarded.

>>149446011
Someone free my man. He needs to leave and find God again.
Even though I know Logan is going to be a petty asshole and try to guilt him to stay like he did with Beast.

>>149446025
They changed Kurt's origin story to him being an ass baby born from Mystique shapeshifting a dick with somehow functioning sperm and getting Destiny pregnant. For your own sanity I don't recommend looking it up.

>>149408730 (OP)
Hell yeah.

>>149446073
Let's just say it was the last thing he settled on and was told no about.

>>149438178
>Murders a white guy
Did they tho? The mob went and killed them before they could be brought before a judge, much less get convicted. Hick fuckers just wanted blood and they didnt care who's it was

>>149445794
>Pixie get goaded by her friends into getting her head blown off by a shotgun, btw
.........why are we rooting for these guys again?

>>149446216
Because the writers use them as fuel for their barely disguised fetishes and mutants being creepy freaks is definitely nothing to worry about...I hated Krakoa era X-men so fucking much.

>>149446216
Cause they conquered death or something
Really, the thing that shocked me more was just how many X-men fans were trying to handwave this as "no big deal" when it was obvious by how beyond devastated Nightcrawler was that it was meant to be seen as insanely fucking horrible
(especially since most of those aforementioned X-men fans are all about trigger warnings and whining about depictions of suicide and shit)

Since mutants are cunts and sentinels can't kill them all, how do we fix them?

>>149445794
>we've conquered death itself!
>we dont have to answer to anyone or anything!
Famous last words, if ever I heard some.

>>149445663
They always turn on humans when they ask themselves the same question.

>>149446404
Kill the X-men, Magneto, Sinister, and Apocalypse.
They are unironically the cause of majority of bad PR and horrible things that happen to humans and mutants.

>>149446417
My goat Nimrod.

>>149445777
>>149445794
He sermons about how retarded his actions were and how they should all be proud to have moved past that shit, then he magnetically crunches the missiles for emphasis. Did anon misread the whole scene? It's not at all what >>149445444 made it sound like. The shitty part is that Magneto is making it sound like humans in general are "the enemy" without nuance, but that's hardly new coming from him.

>>149446085
>him being an ass baby born from Mystique shapeshifting a dick
is this nulore widely accepted? I hope it's just a mental lapse of some mental tranny writer in a single storyline and most of the people call its retardation out

>>149446552
It's basically his new awful origin that hack writers decided to tote around while claiming it was always going to be his backstory see >>149446073
Only people I've seen accept it are the usual plebbit users and twitterfags that think it's amazing because he has 2 moms (who are shitty people).

>>149446498
Considering the Cape Canaveral incident was where he first fought the X-men, and the speech's rather hamfisted message that mutants "wasted time" fighting one another when they should have joined hands in hands i.e. the X-men and Brotherhood joined together, the entire speech was him trying to reframe an obvious attempt to joke about the first time the X-men kicked his ass into yet another mutant supremacy rant. Note that the "folly" he speaks of isn't in his declaration of war on the world, it's that mutants were ever on opposite sides of said declaration to begin with.

>>149446216
From their perspective it's no different from dying in entertaining ways in a video game. You just reload.

>>149446682
anything that comes out of Magneto's mouth is always about mutant supremacy, the man is one of the reasons humanity as a whole sees mutants as dangerous. he's a lunatic and it took Krakoa getting nukes and him losing his legs to make him change his ways

>>149446777
Which to rest of us mere mortals looks like the absolute pinnacle of vanity. The moment you discount life as a concept is the moment you abandon your humaniOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH i get it now

>>149446417
wait i know about Genosha, Utopia, and Krakoa..what's the fourth and fifth ones?

>>149447277
That's Days of Future Past, M-Day and Fall of the Mutants, which aren't about storylines where the X-men lose a homeland but instead a bad end timeline where they all die, the ending of House of M leading to the next status quo of mutants being "an endangered species", or a storyline where they all fake their deaths and move to Australia.

Though if you want other mutant utopias that got fucked up, there was Tian which got killed off-screen, New Tian which existed when Nazi Captain America took over the US and let the X-men play fascist dictator for a bit, and if count alternate futures House of M was the mutants freed from persectuion of themselves by just Wanda rewriting reality so that now mutants are the ones stomping on humanity, and there was Age of X-Man where 90% of mutants were sucked into X-Man's assexual incel thoughtcrime heaven which just had no humans anywhere at all.

>>149447277
House of M is one, I don't really see how Fall of the Mutants and Days of Future Past fit into that though.
Cable had Providence, an island utopia where anyone in good standing who wanted in was welcome whether they were human or mutant.

>>149446777
Which is fucked up and shows how far they have fallen from being the heroes of okd

>>149447698
Yes, that was the point. But it's all in the past now, no more infinite respawns.

>>149447648
the more i read about the xmen, the more confused i become...
>storyline where they all fake their deaths and move to Australia
kek doed anti-mutie stuff not exist down under?

>>149447277
Genosha later becomes Necrosha

>>149447753
Nope, it just followed them straight there because comics

>>149443356
>What do you mean, "Regulate liquor."? It's a scourge, it fuels organized crime! There's no way that bringing bootleggers into the lit economy could solve those problems!

>>149447648
>endangered species
>mover to Australia

>>149447648
I love how everyone glosses over the X-Men going along with HydraCap for their own seat at the table or that they pretty much immediately began persecuting humans in their territory.

>>149445755

Anon that requested that here, thanks man!.

>>149449641
He told them they could fuck off to their reservation and prepare to fight him later (and he was clear that he would be coming for them), or they could stick around and fight him then and there. Magneto, Emma & Co were going along insofar that they chose to not drag the rest of the continent into a superpowered race war that nobody asked for.

>>149446658
I hope they'll either go back to the original premise or at least make it less stupid.
I don't want to sound like an obtuse East vs West fag but I'd pick isekai slop over whatever the fuck that is

>>149450022
When everyone else is trying to stop him immediately before he has a chance to entrench himself, saying you're going to let him do his thing until after you've secured your ethnostate makes you an ally of convenience at best. At worst it means you're completely okay with HYDRA running the show because you believe that when push comes to shove you'll be at able to keep them at bay or take over yourself. Basically the X-Men were willing to sacrifice every other hero and let the country be ruled by supervillains because they thought they could come out ahead if they go with the flow for long enough.

>>149450776
> Basically the X-Men were willing to sacrifice every other hero and let the country be ruled by supervillains because they thought they could come out ahead if they go with the flow for long enough.
Funny how much of a Proto-Krakoa it was, right down to looking down on regular humans as second-class citizens.

>>149450022
The fact they had to outright brainwash Xorn into going along with their bullshit plan, along with how many X-men were outright trying to break New Tian's border security in protest, probably was a sign from the narrative that maybe, just maybe, the X-men fucked up in signing a pact with Hydra

>>149450912
Given Secret Empire's relatively short time frame, the X-Men rolled in a Monday morning and had the jackbooted thugs rolling out by mid-afternoon.

>>149450776
You could argue it was an act of survival at much

>>149450776
why is it that every time i read anything about the xmen they are either working with villians or doing something evil?
i swear at least every member of that team has turned evil like once or twice

>>149443399
If we assume that only 0.01% of mutants are x-men worthy power wise, that would still means there were 1600 mutants who should have been able to do something about one sentinel.

Genosha having this many habitants in the first place is retarded, one of every two mutants chosing to leave to go to an island nation (without everything that made it convinient in krakoa like the gates and ressurections) makes no sense when they could just be hidding their powers or making community closer to them.

Furthermore, this is an event of a scale too great for it to fit in an ongoing continuity without it being the center of everything. If a neighborhood blowing up in caused civil war, the marvel universe should never be the same after WW1 levels of casuality happened in minutes.

>>149454545
Marvel comics have always been really shit at deciding the size of the mutant population. Mutant numbers can range from maybe a 100,000+ to millions.
Mutants are either a minority that can maybe make up a decent sized town or enough to populate an island nation somehow. It's retarded.

>>149454545
When you actually look at what happened to Genosha it's pretty fucked up. Abuse and experimentation on its own citizens, once that government gets toppled and things start looking up outside forces kickstart a civil war, the UN denies your national sovereignty, right to self-determination, and autonomy to appoint a foreign terrorist and his terrorist organization as your new government, within sixth months he's ethnically cleansed your entire nation and imported millions of foreigners, everyone gets murdered by a giant robot, then a bunch of rich Americans declare it sacred ground that no one but mutants can access. And due to sliding timescale this happens over the course of about 3 years.

I really would love to do a story about native Genoshans returning to claim the island and the X-Men fighting to keep the land that they stole.

>>149455071
mutant issues are the biggest headache in marvel with how everything involving them has something to do with genocide or them trying to create their own nation...i'm starting to see why most governments ignore mutant issues when shit like this keeps happening, i'd hate to live in any place near the xmen

>>149455071
>over the course of about 3 years
How the hell does timeline work in X-men?
You're telling me all that happens in less then a decade?
And how is Magneto still around and a Holocaust survivor in the year 2025? His bones should be half dust by now.

>>149455727
Genosha's first appearance is in 1988, it gets destroyed in 2001. It's not even the worst timeline issue in X-Men comics. Everything from X-Factor #1 to Inferno happens within a year at most. Magneto has a canon birthdate of 1928 which makes him 97 years old currently but he has been deaged. However, this still causes problems because he'd be pushing 70 when he fathered Polaris and at least in his early 80s at minimum before he was deaged.

>>149455815
Magneto's age is it's can of worms considering his children should be in their 40s or he was just really old when he fathered them.
I can't even remember how old Charles is at this point but at least his character isn't completely dependant on his backstory like Magneto.

>>149455727
>How the hell does timeline work in X-men?
>You're telling me all that happens in less then a decade?
This is not really a limited thing to just the X-men you know, that's how it also works in regards to the other Marvel books. DC also does it albeit they call it "hypertime" instead of the sliding timescale.

>>149408730 (OP)
Marvel citizens would probably be okay with Captain America being drawn and quartered live on television for disobeying an order from the President to kill enemy combatants that have surrendered. They are really fucking hateful and retarded.

>>149455909
Charles has always been younger than people assume, probably due to Patrick Stewart. He's in his thirties in the O5 era so in early fifties currently. Wanda and Pietro were established being around the same age as the O5 when their backstory was introduced which he needed to be in his 60s when he sired them. If anything, that's more than likely the reason they tried to introduce a new mother for the Twins because otherwise you'd need them to have been born in the 70s at the very latest for Magda to be their mother.

>>149447688
>Cable had Providence
I still remember they did a shitty issue condemning "islamophobia".

>>149456021
DC has the benefit of Flash fucking up the timeline sometimes and the earth rebooting itself in universe ending events.
Is there a Marvel equivalent to a Flashpoint? because I don't remember.

>>149456120
Charles is either in his 40s or late 30s, right?
It's really hard to tell especially after the revive shit that happened during Krakoa.

>>149456237
Age of Apocalypse? Legion goes back in time to try to kill Magneto but kills Xavier instead.

>>149456260
Early 50s, he's mid-thirties when he forms the X-Men.

>>149447648
>Though if you want other mutant utopias that got fucked up, there was Tian which got killed off-screen
I remember New Tian but I don't even remember original Tian, what run was that in?

>>149447753
They were hiding out in an abandoned town in the middle of a desert, with a mutant aborigine teleporter to take them anywhere else they needed to go.

>>149448127
It didn't really follow them straight there, they made enemies of the Reavers, who eventually tracked them down there.

>>149450022
>>149453279
Even the attempts to defend New Tian are glossing over the fact that the mutants immediately started persecuting the Californians that were stuck in the territory Hydra Cap had ceded to them.

>>149408730 (OP)
I bet Trump is already on it as we speak now

>>149454545
>Genosha having this many habitants in the first place is retarded, one of every two mutants chosing to leave to go to an island nation
Pre-2000s, the numbers of known mutants globally went from being well under 50 in the 60s to a few thousand by the end of the 90s, excluding Genosha.

Genosha had a huge mutant population in the millions because like >>149455071 talks about. The government of Genosha had been experimenting on it's own population, taking people with 'latent' mutant DNA and forcibly activating it, and then enslaving and brainwashing them. They were known as 'The Genoshan Mutates', some of the mutant villain factions didn't even regard them as 'real' mutants, but were happy to exploit them as useful idiots.

When Magneto took over Genosha in the late 90s, a large number of existing mutant villains and others from around the world who shared his ideology started to flock to the country, at the same time as he was killing or pushing out the human population, and any native Genoshan mutate opposition to his rule.

But nobody seems to read old comics from before the 2000s, so everyone just assumes Genosha just had millions of mutants in a naturally occurring way, and worse, they assume the size of Genosha's mutant population was reflective of the number of mutants any nation would have.

>>149455909
>Magneto's age is it's can of worms considering his children should be in their 40s or he was just really old when he fathered them.
Anya died in the 1950s, and Magneto had been de-aged at least once when he and Xavier fathered Onslaught. So the only real issues are how old he would have been when Lorna was born, and if Zaladane really is his daughter too.

>>149456120
Wanda and Pietro haven't been biologically related to Magneto in over ten years now, there's no problem here anymore. No problem except Marvel forgetting they hate him, and doing a stupid 'found family' thing.

>>149456574
>Wanda and Pietro haven't been biologically related to Magneto in over ten years now
Wait...what? So, his only real kid is Lorna now?

>>149456574
They haven't been related but him believing them to be his children at the time is still canon, and it doesn't work if their assumed mother hit menopause 20 years before they were born. As far as Lorna goes, she's in the same age cohort as Havok so Magneto would have been in his early 70s. Zaladane is Lorna's half-sister through her mom.

>>149456629
>Wait...what? So, his only real kid is Lorna now?
Well, and Anya, but she's dead.

>>149456643
It was never actually explained in-story, but Marvel Handbooks used to explain Wanda and Pietro's ages with a theory that the High Evolutionary just put them into suspended animation until he found someone else to offload them onto, and basically forgot about them for a few decades.

Now they're not related, the twins can just be the age they are without it needing any explanation.

The issue with Zaladane is that she used a machine to steal Lorna's powers, and it's explicitly stated that the way the machine was designed, it only worked because they were related. A few years later, Zaladane uses the same machine to steal Magneto's powers. Nobody really knows if Claremont was intending that they were related, or if he just forgot what he'd established in the earlier story. As things are, it appears that Zaladane must have been another of Magneto's children and he killed her without ever knowing they were family. Nobody's really wanted to explain or address it since, and Zaladane has stayed dead.

>>149456661
At least the one consistent thing is that Magneto is an awful father.
Any time Wanda and Pietro are written not hating him is bullshit.

>>149456237
Franklin Richards basically had to rebuild it from scratch once, and Battleworld Latverion ended with the exploded multiverse getting rebuilt with the implication that yeah it probably wasn't a perfect 1:1 recreation, reality has also been mass edited by cosmic cubes or the Infinity Gems a couple of times with arbitrary knock on effects.

It's just usually not the focus of whatever's happening, but it does happen.

>>149456629
I mean the only one he likes is still Wanda but yeah technically.

>>149408807
>You're asking this of a society that routinely makes a point to go out and murder young black men just because and outright banned races from marrying each other until a mere 60 years ago?
/thread

>>149456677
>At least the one consistent thing is that Magneto is an awful father.
And yet as true as this is, he has a fanbase that idealizes him as some kind of fantasy father figure, while all the "this guy is an awful dad" stories get given to Xavier.

>Any time Wanda and Pietro are written not hating him is bullshit.
Unfortunately Marvel seem more concerned with pandering to what Magneto fangirls WANT things to be like than how they truly are.

>>149456700
Even the "Wanda is Magneto's favorite, he wuvs her so much" is 99% fan headcanon. He simply hasn't physically abused her or poured scorn on her as much as he has Pietro or Lorna because she seldom ever appeared in the same stories as him. She got out of the X-books in 1965 and never looked back.

He still tortured her, shot her, and forced her to dance for him like a puppet.

>>149456761
>He simply hasn't physically abused her or poured scorn on her
Someone have that page where Magneto tries to get Wanda get shot up using his powers?

>>149456661
Given the time between stories, a no-prize of the machine she used getting upgraded is the easiest solution.

>>149456761
If we're going with headcanon then I'm saying Mags views Wanda as both the most useful for bringing about and most able to ruin his plans for mutant domination so he takes a very delicate and paternalistic approach to her as her powers have grown. Lorna actually liking him is nice but he doesn't need a copy of his powerset or her mental issues while Pietro is too much of a wildcard to bother with his relatively lower powered abilities. Basically the nice Magneto is to you the more likely he is to be manipulating you.

>>149456661
I'm shocked Marvel never bought Anya back.

>>149456819
>Given the time between stories, a no-prize of the machine she used getting upgraded is the easiest solution.
That's a copout solution to try and make Magneto not look as bad though.

>If we're going with headcanon then I'm saying Mags views Wanda as both the most useful for bringing about and most able to ruin his plans for mutant domination so he takes a very delicate and paternalistic approach to her as her powers have grown. Lorna actually liking him is nice but he doesn't need a copy of his powerset or her mental issues while Pietro is too much of a wildcard to bother with his relatively lower powered abilities. Basically the nice Magneto is to you the more likely he is to be manipulating you.
That's actually a really good way of explaining how he's treated her from the 80s onwards, even if it doesn't explain her suddenly stopping hating him in the 2020s.

>>149456837
The Krakoa era revealed she wouldn't have been a mutant, so he was unable to resurrect her even then.

>>149456852
True, but I figured someone at Marvel would've come up with a loophole to bring her back before Krakoa or after it.

>>149408807
>just because
The united states has an obligation to protect the liberty of "ourselves and our posterity" and not others. You know exactly what I mean by others and what posterity implies.

>>149456852
I prefer Zaladane not be related to Magneto because it gives Lorna something that is hers alone. Also, given that the parentage retcon has Mags always knowing Lorna is his kid, you could add in some subtext about his motivations for brutally killing his daughter's half-sister.

As far as Wanda goes, I say either she's manipulating him right back or, if you want to take a more tragic tone, take a page out of real world abuse victims and have her still afraid of him on some level. In that case it's less her stopping hating him and more placating him because she's still traumatized from her teenage years.

>>149456866
Pretty sure any of the half-dozen X-Men or X-Men affiliates with access to time travel could have made a quick jaunt to the past to grab a scan of her memories and a dna sample. And that would have been an actually interesting development: Magneto, mutant supremacist terrorist, suddenly being given back a part of his past in the form of a young child thrust forward decades in time to a strange and frightening future, one whose very existence undercuts everything Magneto stands for. That's some fucking drama.

>>149456516
The Warren Ellis run of Astonishing X-Men, it's the one with all the tibetan mutants that were basically made up for the sole purpose of being found dead by the X-men

>>149408730 (OP)
>the US government
In Marvel Rivals it's even more ridiculous. Tony Stark, a random techbro, learns that mutants exist. His immediate reaction is to personally design and mass produce giant robots meant to kill them in case there's ever a race war, and of course he chooses to stockpile this private murderbot army in the middle of Manhattan with the keys left in the ignition.

Like imagine if Peter Thiel was revealed to have constructed a private killer drone fleet with an onboard AI designed to profile and target an arbitrary segment of the US citizenry, and he had parked this fleet, fully armed with explosive rocket munition, in a hangar somewhere in Brooklyn while he waited for a countrywide race war to break out. That sounds retarded and it's exactly what Tony Stark did here.

>>149457024
Going by the What If? issue where Anya didn't die in that fire and stayed by her father's side while he started growing his army of followers, the real drama would be the realization that he'd have lost any love for her or her mother the precise moment that shit hit puberty and found out she wasn't a mutant like the hypocrite that he is, and it's only because she stayed dead that he held any value in his memories of her to fuel his crusade to take over humanity.

>>149457121
>learns mutants exist
>creates big killer robot army to commit genocide on a later date
>mutants are useful
>decides to put them in storage instead of destroying them just incase muties turn on humanity
Kinda based. That's hilarious to think that Tony's first instinct when he realizes mutants are real is to build a giant murderous robot army instead of maybe just a few weapons or specialized ironman armor to deal with them.
I don't think I'll ever get over how much happens in New York and that every single superhero team just lives a few miles away from each other. You'd think Marvel would have at least some more made up cities for each individual hero or team like DC does so it's less awkward.

>>149408730 (OP)
If a political party made giant robots to hunt down jews, blacks and mudslimes I would vote for them for the rest of my life. I literally do not care how much it costs in taxes. I would support them forever.

>>149455071
Perfect way to fuck with the "Magneto is right crowd" would be to call Mags a colonizer since they're a bunch of radlibs.

>>149457628
Nah, they'd say Genosha deserved it for being slavers.

Time travel ruines the X-Men

>>149457995
Cable is cool though....

>>149457995
What's your beef with Rachel?

>>149408730 (OP)
>Just okay with
>Presuming governments just ask people before defense expenditures
They don't.

>... designed to hunt down minorities
Well yeah I mean, they'd have limitless budgets. Even the browns don't want to see more browns move in, that's the one thing everyone agrees on.

>>149457703
While Genosha is supposed to be an over the top parody of South Africa, in practice it was North Korea with a better economy. All you have to do is tell the colorist to give the Genoshans a darker skin tone.

>>149408730 (OP)
Whoever thought up the solution to mutants being giant death robots has my vote.

>>149457024
>I prefer Zaladane not be related to Magneto because it gives Lorna something that is hers alone.
"Magneto had another kid he didn't know about and killed her without ever knowing they were related" is a lot less complicated than Lorna's mother having another daughter by some other guy, AND that daughter somehow ending up in the Savage Land, AND Zaladane upgrading her power-stealing machine so it would work on people she wasn't related to BUT not mentioning this at all during any of her villain monologues.

If Logan can have a bunch of kids he didn't know about, and kill them all without knowing, Magneto can have at least one.

>or, if you want to take a more tragic tone, take a page out of real world abuse victims and have her still afraid of him on some level. In that case it's less her stopping hating him and more placating him because she's still traumatized from her teenage years.
That would actually make sense of it, considering that one 90s Avengers issue where she talked about how he still terrified her, and when you add Krakoa making her the devil-figure in their cult and indoctrinating kids to hate her, it would actually make sense if she's just trying to placate Magneto and his allies.

If Wanda was Krakoa's devil, it's a shame we never got to see what Krakoan devil-worship was like.

>>149408807
https://youtu.be/m8xWOlk3WIw

>>149460085
Lorna's mom cheated on her husband with Magneto, so Lorna having a half-sibling isn't complicated at all. The Savage Land is a known thing in the MU with the only difficulty being in getting there. And Zaladane didn't even build her power-stealing machine herself.

Also Krakoa devil-worship is just Quintin Quire in a "One Decimation Wasn't Enough" tshirt trying to get into Wanda's pants.

>>149460282
https://youtu.be/ruYXzlzoU_A

>>149458209
She gay

>>149460085
In a flashback, Magneto said she was the mother of his children, plural, so it's possible he knew full well Zaladane was his and didn't care.

>>149408730 (OP)
>my tax dollars went to giant robots and kaiju instead of being wasted on do-nothing projects and "foreign aid"
I'm not going to call it an improvement, but I am absolutely going to call it an improvement

Why not sent mutant to Middleton east?

>>149461274
What?

>>149409600
Yes

>>149409784
Which mutants moved into the white hot room?

>>149457109
Ellis is a hack

>>149462054
Roughly 250,000 were displaced there during Fall of X. An unknown number of them returned to Earth. Within the WHR the Krakoans kept the resurrection protocols going and eventually cleared the backlog of Genosha's dead, so at a minimum there are millions of mutants living in there.

>>149462169
Damn

>>149462713
Yep. So any time the X-men or their fans ever complain about mutants going extinct in the future, you can tell them to their faces they are full of shit

ITT /pol/ scares me off X-Men books

>>149463509
It's mostly former X-fans upset by the direction the books have taken in the past 20 years. X-Men actually just wrapped up a major status quo that was basically "/pol/ with gay people."

>>149463552
>It's mostly former X-fans
Fucking Jim Shooter, he turned them into /pol/ scum.

>>149463509
Morrison seething so much at the idea of the X-Men being "just another superhero group" that he poisoned the entire concept.

>>149463509
>ITT /pol/ scares me off X-Men books