Thread 149488005

>act like you’re anti-capitalism and rebellious towards the state of the industry.
>defend the generic corporate artstyle forced onto your and other animators shows.

Wow, really furthering the medium of animation there. I swear Alex is like the anti-John K., instead of acting like a wackjob to support good cartoons he acts like a wackjob to support beanmouth slop and writer shows.

cartoons and the animation industry needs to get woker if you want animation to be better and im not kidding

Does he not know Pixar just started doing it?
Genuinely, why is this animation trend multiple decades long?

Hirsch is actually right. Art styles come and go, the obsession with pointing out beanmouth is very similar to tvtropers calling out tropes like it fucking means anything that they nooticed thing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of very autistic overlap.

this is the third time I've seen you seethe about Alex Hirsch
OP is an obsessed faggot

>>149488048
>Beanmouth
>Go
I wish.

>twitter screencap thread over drama nobody cares about
does anyone else have anti-woke fatigue?

>>149488005 (OP)
So we went from
>that doesn't exist
to
>it existed, get over it
Hope Elio failure ends that awful trend for good

>>149488048
Retard, this year we got:
>StuGo
>Wylde Pak
>Elio
>Win or Lose

The issue is that this style hasn’t gone away, and it’s cheap as shit, the style is forced onto all modern cartoons, most of the examples I mentioned looked far more unique in concept art, like Wylde Pak for example.

Is that you defending yourself Alex? I know you probably browse /co/ seeing you trolled the fandom many years ago by posting here.

>>149488048
>Art styles come and go
This aesthetic trend is literally older than the kids it's being marketed towards now.

>>149488005 (OP)
>STOP CARING ABOUT IT!
look at tv ratings in general Alex. Your wish is coming true.

>>149488020
Shut up tranny

>>149488005 (OP)
The style itself isn’t capitalist, its just incidental in a capitalist industry

>>149488005 (OP)
I love that Dippers wearing a Im with her hat

It's pretty nuts how personally offended they are by the beanmouth accusation. Beyond their public responses on Twitter and in the media the shills are absolutely ass blasted everytime it's brought up.
It makes you realize that nit only were they all consciously making that decision but that they were super proud of it for some reason.
You know that overseas animation contractor give discounts if you conform to their style and that chinese studios will gladly animate your show with no credit?
Really activates the almonds

>>149488005 (OP)
>forced onto your and other animators shows
I dare you to name one actual instance of this. They used the style because it's all they knew, there was no corporate mandate to beanmouth everything

The longer they keep insisting on pushing this look, the more this stops being a jaded nerd problem like it was in the 2010's and the more EVERYONE begins to catch on.
It's the DreamWorks eyebrow at this point, even casuals and parents are noticing.

>>149488075
I wish I was Alex Hirsch, I wouldn't be so fucking poor. I just don't get the obsession with this one particular facet of animation. So the characters have beanmouths. Yes, that makes it cheap to animate (which probably ensures that so much animation gets made, because the studios sure as shit don't wnat to spend more money). But Wylde Pak looks nothing like Stugo otherwise, their art direction is completely different. Never do I find myself seething about the characters' mouth shapes while watching those shows, I watch them to otherwise enjoy the characters and stories. It just strikes me as a very odd thing to focus on and care so much about.

>>149488174
>I just don't get the obsession with this one particular facet of animation.
It won't. Go. Away.

We live in a current industry where beanmouth still persists all cause corporate suits are still trying to replicate the success of Gravity Falls or Steven Universe all these years later. Meanwhile the talented Spumco/classic cartoon-influenced artists in the current industry are regulated to the modern SpongeBob mines while original projects by them like The Day the Earth Blew Up are fucked over by out of touch CEOs.

Nobody who knows shit about animation should be okay with this.

>>149488148
Well yes they were educated in the brilliance and necessity of ‘cleverly’ cutting corners

>>149488155
They EASILY can be told ‘make the mouth on this design simpler, simple as you can, it costs us $50,000 an episode to make dialogue change the silhouette of the character

>>149488155
Look at Wylde Pak for example:
>>149488075
Elio also looked more unique in concept art, closer to the regular Pixar style

The Owl House also doesn’t necessarily have a beanmouth style, but its style is very beanmouth-adjacent. They didn’t look like that in the concept art, and Dana’s upcoming indie show untouched by executives is drawn in her own style, which implied that Disney influenced that change.

>>149488005 (OP)
Okay, but why did they put Sans Undertale there? Was it bait or the person who made it retarded?

>>149488148
In the case of Hirsch, he's one of the artists that started the trend with Gravity Falls and I assume it's more or less how he prefers to draw characters rather than something forced on him by suits to save a buck, so it's no surprise he reacts like it's a personal slight.

>>149488136
zir right sorry

>>149488174
>I watch them to otherwise enjoy the characters and stories
Those are lacking as well in modern cartoons.

>>149488075
>like Wylde Pak for example.
It's just aping Rocky & Bullwinkle

>>149488243
Tbf UnderTales artstyle kinda gives off beanmouth/2010s cartoon vibes in general, idk why there’s not really a lot of beanmouths present. Not helping is the fact that tons of beanmouth artists in our current industry are obsessed with undertale.
Honestly I’m more confused as to why Pim from Smiling Friends is on there, that show is one of the few artist-driven adult animated comedies these days, it doesn’t deserve to be lumped with beanmouth trash.

>>149488155
I don't know the exact reason but we've seen from concept art of these recent projects that they often aren't designed with beanmouth in mind and that comes later. Which implies there's an outside influence.

>>149488243
I have never seen someone complain about beanmouth who was not retarded

>>149488243
Anon... SANS is Steven After Not Surviving

>>149488307
Does that just mean everyone is retarded cause everyone complains that Elio is ugly?

>>149488005 (OP)
In short, this.

>>149488329
>Laura Haruna picture

Right when I thought Famicom was finally gone after his few day absence his retarded ass show right back up again.

>>149488310
under rated

>>149488329
Famicunt, stop treating the western animation sphere and anime sphere like the same thing, and stop lumping your child waifu with cool-looking classic cartoon characters, Japans current animation industry is thriving while ours is suffering, they aren’t the same.

>>149488005 (OP)
he's not wrong here, but the way he phrases it comes off as awkward. he could've just left it at the first sentence.

>>149488364
>"A few cartoons 12 years ago having similar faces is true"

Yes, the style has totally gone away, it’s not like it’s still existing in our current year
>>149488075
is bullshit, BEANMOUTH FOREVER

>>149488223
>Dana’s upcoming indie show untouched by executives is drawn in her own style
https://youtu.be/L8XbI9aJOXk
>>149488294
Sans design/Steven universe is sans theory/meme.

My sister, mother of two, mentioned "Beanmouth" (her words) when explaining why she's skipping Elio .
Alex may not like it, but the term is just now hitting normalfag lexicon due to Pixar and social media.
If he thought it was annoying before, it's about to get worse.

>>149488404
Retard, this is her own style, I’m not really a fan of fakime but hey I’ll take it over beanslop any day

>>149488197
scoob wasn't medicine, that was slop too

Anons saying how beanmouth won't go away or is everywhere, off the top of my head here are some shows from the last 5 years or so that have non-beanmouth art styles:
>Twelve Forever
>It's Pony
>Kipo and the age of Wonderbeasts
>Harriet the Spy
>Zokie of Planet Ruby
You know what else those shows have in common? Hardly anybody fucking watched them. Is it really any wonder studios keep copying the shows that actually seem popular with kids?

>>149488420
It thankfully seems like Pixar is moving away from the beanmouth style, their upcoming film Gatto looks pretty unique, Hoppers also kinda gives off beanmouth vibes from it’s style but it does feel like a step in the right direction
>>149488436
I think the picture was trying to represent with Scoob how Hannah Barbara’s vintage stuff only gets shitty adaptions these days rather than truthful stuff.

>>149488450
Valid, but people aren't watching Pixar slop now either.

>>149488450
That's not a big argument when kids aren't watching beanmouth calarts cartoons either, why do you think elio is a failure?

>its another thread where we bring up old non existent drama for a non existent style from the 2010s
Oh boy, this again

>>149488507
>non existent style from the 2010s
Elio

>>149488500
>why do you think elio is a failure?
Because it looks boring and uninspired and also is?

>>149488005 (OP)
>An art style from 12 years ago

THIS CAME OUT THIS YEAR

>>149488507
Do I have to repeat myself again, retard
>>149488075

>>149488291
NTA but wtf, it is? It looks like it's trying to ape Loud House which is already aping Sunday comics. Nothing in Wylde Pak looks at unique or interesting as anything in pic related.

>>149488507
Animation student moment
>if I shut my eyes and plug my ears, that makes it not real!
>>149488048
> Art styles come and go
No actually, they develop to further styles with the genetics of the previous styles, and people draw like all popular styles past and present.

I can't believe people willingly follow this guy on Twitter.

>>149488363
Laura is now 35 years old, she is not a child anymore, and whats going on in Japan is 20 times worse then whats going on here.
>>149488346
Laura kicks ass.

>>149488507
>There is no beanmouth style!
>There is no Epstein list!
>And there is no Queen of England!!!

>>149488562
This shit looks AI generated

Funny how the beanmouth artists are the ones most against AI, like no shit AI can replicate your generic ass beanblob artstyle, the key to fighting AI is that you gotta make your art more unique and expressive, and beanmouth lacks just that.

Ever wonder why AI sucks at replicating Ren & Stimpy? Cause that artstyle has expressions that require creativity to be made.

>>149488614
based

Why haven't you assassinated Alex Hirsch yet, /co/?

>>149488005 (OP)
At least Alex Hirsh is a successful showrunner, unlike that irrelevant ugly faggot Dana Turdrace, whose next series is a dead-on-arrival troonslop just like the Owl flophouse. It can't be any more pathetic and embarrassing than that.

>>149488614
Funny how Alex admits that DreamWorks Face is real but thinks that beanmouth is BS

>>149488005 (OP)
>>defend the generic corporate artstyle
It was never an actual thing. This is based on a badly made drawing.

>>149488640
There was a trend just like there has always been a trend. At some point the Dexter Labe style was trending and even then just as with the cartoon depicted in OP, they still had their own disincentive look.

>>149488614
Now I punish the entire community whenever they push lgbtq, cancellation of old animators, or anything else.
Pretty sure I have him beat
>>149488663
I believe in honorable conflict, not cheap options

>>149488613
>and people draw like all popular styles past and present.
U til there's a s3cret movement between artists to subvert and eliminate a particular style from the market.
The 3 curve eye disney style is much maligned

I don't wish ill will for Alex. I don't want him to have cancer, or his pets to die, or anything like that. But I wish like... He didn't have money. I wish he had to go to work instead of sitting around collecting royalties and doing bare minimum executive producer work.

>>149488681
I think your animation school should add an English class (foreigner?)

>>149488197
The Day the Earth Blew Up only made matters worse.

>>149488681
This trend is going on for an awfully fucking long time.

>>149488685
There is no honor in race treason. He must die and he must die right now.

Sex with Mable.

>>149488681
Thickline late 90’s-2000’s toons were cheap but looked infinitely more appealing than beanmouth

Beanmouth was loved in the early 2010’s cause it was something new, we didn’t know what we had until it was gone.

>>149488301
The reason is that all the people who work on the finished product beyond the concept art phase are talentless hacks trained by other talentless hacks educated by still more talentless hacks at the same 3 incestuous art schools in California for the last 20+ years. It's not some corporate conspiracy to samify all media, it's just industry faggots back-patting each other so hard that they propel the entire medium into an endless cycle of boring safe garbage.

>>149488210
>it came to me in a dream

>>149488329
Honestly Family guy doesn't belong in this picture, it's really only Seth's own shows that share that style. Rick and Morty-esque puppet rigged animation is a much more prevalent trend across a wide variety of shows these day as an example of samey crap in western shows.

>>149488005 (OP)
>arcane
>kpop demon hunters
>invincible
>creature commandos
>kipo
>common side effects
>and many more
He’s right, this old image only makes sense if you haven’t been paying attention to any cartoons for the last decade
And if that’s so why do you even care? Stop playing the hits or just get a new hobby because nostalgia for flame wars is sad

>>149488005 (OP)
>orced onto your and other animators shows.
little presumptuous on your part, no?

>>149488667
dreamworks face only points towards dreamworks
beanmouth ignores most work

>>149488714
NTA but even in your example, it's still not reaching "trend levels". Three out of six of these examples are from the same artist's hand and Wander was ironically super refreshing to look at compared to its competition.

I think people are saying "Dexter's Lab UPA" style or whatever when it should be something like "Teletoon style". That era when they imported a bunch of Canadian cartoons and we ended up getting a lot of stuff that looked like they were animated in Toonboom with vector clean-up.

>Dude, That's My Ghost
>Total Drama Island
>Johnny Test
>Scaredy Squirrel
>Jimmy Two-Shoes
>Kick Buttowski

However, people were sick of that art style very quickly and rightfully so. I remember on CartoonBrew and ToonZone where people were leaving comments of how they hated it. Now, the same shit is happening with a different trend and we're supposed to act like it's not happening or that we just don't understand the animation pipeline-- we MUST have bean heads or we simply can't animate a cartoon.

>>149488746
It does need to be updated.

>>149488752
Four of those are for adults. Adult cartoons do not suffer from beanmouth syndrome, they suffer from Family Guy cloning. And even then, if you were to tell people that, "Adult cartoons do NOT suffer from some Family Guy trend! Look at Arcane, Common Side Effects, Invincible, Creature Commandos!", you would get told that those can exist AND we still have too many cartoons that look like Family Guy. Both are true. Recent adult animation has a lot of variety, but there's still a ton of obvious clones. Nobody denies this. But when it comes to beanmouth? Oh, my friend worked on it, so I have to pretend like the trend doesn't exist anymore.

Nobody's friends are ever working on adult cartoons. It's always kiddie crap. Not sure why.

>>149488714
I didn't watch the Mighty B, but like that other Anon pointed out, I remember most of the cartoons of the late 90s/early 2000s looking like cheap tweened Canadian shit. I didn't know it came from Canada at the time but I could tell all these cartoons looked the same and that they didn't look as good like cartoons like PPG or Ed, Edd & Eddy or Dexter's Lab. It helps that the cartoons you highlighted were made by people who can actually draw. I remember being genuinely impressed by the composition and color choices in several PPG episodes, it's not like old-school Looney Tunes or Mickey's Trailer tier but it's nice and pleasing to look at. Compare that to shit like Carl 2 or Wayside or Johnny Test and there's a big difference.

>>149488807
>Arcane, Common Side Effects, Invincible, Creature Commandos!"
20 times worse then been slop, just watch vintage animation made before 1970, it will save your life one day.

>>149488807
There’s no distinction between people who work on adult cartoons and people who work on kids cartoons
People work where they can find
Alex worked on Common Side Effects

You’re also saying shows that DO have their own art style just don’t count

>>149488005 (OP)
Congratulations, your whining is officially so annoying that /co/ has started siding with Hirsch

>>149488155
I've worked on commercials where the company commissioning the studio would hand over an inspiration board for what they're looking for and it boiled down to, "Can you copy this?". Sometimes they would outright say, "We want it to be just like ___some popular thing right now___". This isn't uncommon and you can ask plenty of commercial artists if they have this experience. This is how we got cereal mascot redesigns that looked like Adventure Time or beanmouth Toucan Sam.

There are similar elements when working in TV, but not as upfront. I've seen people try to pitch to big studios and get notes on their pitch bibles with things like, "We're looking for something similar to our previous shows to replace them in the line-up" or " These are great designs! How would they work for a full series?", which is basically a redesign request. I've seen notes on pilot scripts where the TV studios will send over old scripts from previous shows as supplement reading and say, "Take a look at this previous show we worked on. There is a large cast of characters with vibrant personalities. That's a good direction to develop your world in!".

Yes, there is no mandate. Just like how there is no physical black list. But that doesn't stop higher ups from referencing things that are popular and steering later projects in that direction to replicate success.

>>149488329
It's all about optimizing the art for digital tools
The bean mouth is the same shape no matter what angle you're viewing the character. The side mouth hole is really noticeable on 3d. Probably extra work in 3d too. Anyways that's what this is about. Animation costs too much and they're compromising quality to get lower outsourcing rates for foreign animation studios.

>>149488864
>You’re also saying shows that DO have their own art style just don’t count
I'm saying it's still unbalanced. For everyone one season of Scavengers Reign, we get one season of Grimsburg, Krapopolis, and Mulligan to go with it. A trend doesn't need to be 100%, it's felt at 50%.

>>149488905
>Yes, there is no mandate. Just like how there is no physical black list.
People cannot wrap their heads around this. These people are using weasel words and double speak to get what they want
>hey here's a suggestion(with the understanding that if you dont do it your show won't get greenlight)
Like either an evil cabal of wizards meet ad a skull shaped table and discuss their evil plans, or it isn't real at all and everything is unconnected.

>>149488911
>It's all about optimizing the art for digital tools
Which still doesn't make sense because most of these shows are still drawn by hand. They're cleaned up digitally, but they still had to initially draw these shapes by hand first.

>>149488911
That much is obvious and Alex, and a lot of beanmouth defenders like him, could just say "well it's cheap and trendy so it makes sense" but instead they get all butthurt and deny it's a trend even though even Pixar is getting on it now till the point where people refuse to watch their movies cause they're fucking ugly. Alex prides himself on dunking on big corporations, then defends THE "our cartoon only looks like this cause disney/nick/whatever told us to" art style. It's stupid.

>>149488613
That’s a fancier way to say come and go

>>149488922
Those shows do look cheap but i don’t think they look very much like family guy
They’re just using the same tools as family guy
Those shows are more similar to the bad flash cartoons of the 2000s than being family guy clones

>>149488944
>most of these shows are still drawn by hand
Yeah some asshole is drawing shit and then 1,000 chinese slaves use after effects on top of it.

>>149488020
I agree, the crash will purge all these.

>>149488067
I have squirrel and anti-anti-woke fatigue

>>149488905
>I've worked on commercials
>I've worked on literal corporate slop advertisements
Well of COURSE that shit is corporate controlled bullshit down to the last penstroke you retard, that's literally the assignment

>>149488223
Look at all this cartooning, watercolor expression work just so some Californian could dislocate several vertebrae pretending anybody wants to watch a little mulatto nigger run around.

>>149489169
Consultancy groups push diversity, not artists

>>149488197
Netflix slop like Castlevania and Devil May Cry are actually more poisonous than shitty lgbt bean mouth cartoons like Steven Universe and Owl House.
Bean mouth shit is really awful but they didn’t ruin two of my favorite game franchises.

>>149489251
This.
If Telecom did The Day The Earth Blew Up with ZERO American involvement we wouldn't be in this mess.

>>149488965
They are still present. Flour doesn’t “come and go,” it is in the cake.

Rain clouds come and go, you’re like a superstitious pagan who doesn’t know how the world works, just that you see cargo planes sometimes

>>149489302
Kys tranny

>>149489169
You’re too much, man. He has the looks and race of an army kid (not a kid going into the military but a kid who’s a fan of the army because a parent is in it, but also has the affect of having an absent parent)

>>149488746
>>149488807
Do you think Alex Hirsch will defend this artstyle too because his pedo friend Justin Roiland has that artstyle?

>>149489465
Your pic is commie propaganda.

>>149488243
Gumball never did that facial expression either

>>149488005 (OP)
Admiting they had similar faces is a step up from flat out denying it I suppose.

>>149488781
>>149488828
Teletoon looking cheap caused people to hate that style, UPA influenced shows like Mighty B, 2 Stupid Dogs, Dexters Lab, Clone High, etc. were examples of that kind of style done right and truthful to the OG UPA stuff. Shit like Total Drama were stiff and inexpressive as shit, pale imitations of the style. The Teletoon style wouldn’t have been so hated if they did hand-drawn animation like the good UPA stuff. You can’t pull off good-looking poses like this using puppet rigs.

>>149488223
I'm not denying these are better illustrations, but they're just the opposite extreme to the beanmouth thing. It's just that fucking tiresome sameface Linguini shit again, and people would have 100% complained about it had he looked like that.

>>149488005 (OP)
Yes, beanmouth is stupid, but so are you.

OP. I don't know if you're a lefty who's angry at him for not living up to your personal and narrow expecations of anti-capitalism, or the worse alternative that you just hate him. Or if you're a rightoid who is upset at him for not living up to your ideas of anti-globalism as seen through this narrow criteria of 'art', or worse, you don't care, and just want to do a gotcha on a lefty.

Either way, this is 4chan, everyone's an edgy dickhead who spouts the same nasty childish pseudobabble so I can't tell.

What I can tell is: he's poking fun at someone for making a bigger deal about, that's not the same as defending it, and you're choosing to twist it to fit some them-versus-us narrative based on absolutism.

Either that or you can't fucking read. But hey, you use twitter, either is possible.

>>149489509
Nigga it's a meme about cartoons

>>149489465
ladies and gentlemen, say hello to the unholy combination of beanmouth and the adult animated sitcom style

>>149489581
That is pretty meh.

>>149489465
I refer you to my previous post. Stop looking at things solely through a lens of socioeconomics that has barely any relevancy to the subject at hand, making false connections, and taking the fun out of /co/.

>>149489509
You too. You're trying to go one better and pull a turnabout on him. It's pathetic.

>>149489465
inside job looked like ass but it was a good cartoon

>>149488507
>BEANMOUTH NEVER EXISTED
>AND EVEN IF IT DID IT'S FROM A DECADE AGO.
Bro it's in the room with us right now.

>>149488067
>complaining about beanmouth is anti-woke

As if beanmouth isn’t an issue both political sides have

>>149488752
How do you people get this far into the thread and somehow avoid discussion on THIS YEAR'S PIXAR PROJECTS?

>>149488507
Pathetic gaslighting attempt lol

>>149488005 (OP)
>anti-John K
that's why he's based

>>149489752
Why do all anti-woke cartoons look like shit?

>>149488005 (OP)
It's this generation's main problem. They get too carried away with sucking corporate dick.

>>149488223
muh little zogbot gonna be busy in the trenches

>>149490001
Lack of parenting I say. They latch onto their boss/company/coworkers as if they were their parents and family. Also that power level is out of control.

>>149489977
When you make something out of enthusiasm and passion, it looks good. When you want to rush so you can cynically dunk on something before it falls out of conversation, you get this.

>>149489302
Retard, the talented western animation artists carried the film, they deserved a place to shine their talent that isn’t modern SpongeBob, I guess it’s a good thing to leave wacky American cartoonists to dry in our beanmouth-ridden industry, faggot, it would be literally impossible to make that film with zero western involvement cause Looney Tunes is an American IP.

Are other beanmouth artists like Rebecca Sugar and Pendleton Ward as whiny and beanmouth-defending as Hirsch? Gravity Falls is a decent show but damn Hirsch is the worst guy to come out of the Flapjack tree.

>>149490505
No cause they aren't actually locked into that style, they just used it when it was hip.

>>149489977
Because all slop created to push some political agenda is low effort dogshit

>>149490518
More like they're among the primaries creators who made the style popular in the first place. Hirsch meanwhile very obviously is just emulating the already-popular style of others and is extremely insecure about it so he flies off the handle when people bring it up.

The vehement denial of Beanmouth/CalArts Style from people working in the industry is truly baffling.
If professional artists can't see the tired, unending trend that normal viewers have been complaining about since like 2017, do they even have an eye for art?

>>149490669
Hirsch, much like Sugar and Ward, actually had the beanmouth style before it made it’s way to tv shows, it’s early roots can be seen in his board artist work on Flapjack as well as his college projects. Adventure Time popularized simplistic 2010’s cartoon styles, when both Gravity Falls and Steven Universe helped popularize the structure of the beanmouth style. The style wasn’t really part of online discussion until the mid 2010’s, and beanmouth discussion became mainstream during the whole ThunderCats Roar shit. Alex is just an insecure crybaby who doesn’t want to improve on his style and would rather mald over beanmouth discussion, watch his Xeets get likes, and cope claiming the whole style doesn’t exist.

>>149488005 (OP)
>12 years ago
>still doing it in every single Disney and Pixar movie in 2025

>>149488005 (OP)

>John K

Wackjob, yes. Good cartoons, no.

>>149489027

The crash means you get nothing you like, either.

>>149488048
We're still waiting for it to go.

>>149488507
>The subject and the drama surrounding it never existed and didn't happen.
>Also who cares, it happened way back in the 2010s anyways lol.
I thought you said it didn't happen...

>>149490770
>beanmouth discussion became mainstream during the whole ThunderCats Roar shit
Which is also when industry people started getting all publicly pissy and defensive about it. I could not believe the seething meltdown that the industry collectively had that people thought their horseshit reboot looked like horseshit.

>>149490851
It's honestly surreal how many people were willing to die on that hill when the show is literally more forgotten than the 2011 reboot now.

>>149488005 (OP)
>Shows started doing in around 2009
>By 2018 Cartoon Network was remaking shows in a variety of formats into Calarts shit like Thundercats and Ben 10
>All new Nicktoons are also in the same style
>2015ish cereal boxes altered their mascots into the style too
>2018 Pixar shorts started imitating the style
>Lucca is made entirely in the style, followed by turning Red
>2025 Pixar is making a new Disney+ series and a movie in that exact same style

At this point there is a dedicated effort to keep it alive by any means necessary and want to attack anyone who mentions it or brings up the subject. Looks like half of the working animators think it's some kind of evil angry chud meme that they need to double and triple down on to trigger the evil bigot chuds while also downplaying that it exists at all and act like it was only something that appeared once or twice a decade ago.

>>149490791
Retard, this shit is millions times better to look at then beanshit. When are we gonna make cartoons wacky again? Enough of this sanitized corporate bean artstyle.

>>149488005 (OP)
It's incredibly weird how they are still sitting on Twitter and downplaying everything with this mindset of
>What? It only happened like once or twice about 20 years ago.....why are you guys complaining?

While at the same time Pixar shifted every single bit of their output to match up with that style 1:1 in the last few years. They can at least be honest about how they don't give a fuck and are going to keep doing it. what is with this pretending only one show ever did that and nobody else thing? They have been on this since at least Thundercats back in 2018.

>>149488148
I don't get it, they lose their shit over it being pointed out in any new production and have to try to shift things over to either saying you are making it up, or are being insane.

>>149490770
>Don't want to improve
That's the case for most western cartoonists. Why this only happens here?
It's almost like the entire art form is allergic to improvement

>>149488148
Hirsch was there on patient zero, Flapjack where it all began. It kind of only makes sense for him to get defensive over it.

>>149490941
I wouldn’t say all modern nicktoons are in the beanmouth style, in fact, I feel like Nick is the only network that still tries to make wacky shit, even beanmouth Wylde Pak at least tries to be expressive, shit like Rock Paper Scissors and The Loud House definitely at least try to be like episodic cartoons and not loreshit, and for as style over substance as modern SpongeBob and The Patrick Star Show are, their animation looks amazing for a modern cartoon and it’s where many Spumco-inspired artists let their talent shine (unfortunately the only reason the show is animated like that is cause it’s success allows for a higher budget, no new cartoon would even dare to be animated like that)

Disney is still trying to replicate the success of Gravity Falls with shit like StuGo and Cartoon Network is basically dead now.

Seriously?

You guys are still complaining about Calarts style in 2025? So you guys actually literally, absolutely have nothing else to talk about and no subjects at all in nearly 10 yeas?

>>149488005 (OP)
Still screaming and moaning about a style from what..2010? Why are people around here like this?

>>149488667
Isn't Dreamworks face just a smirk expression?

>>149491064
That sure sounds like you’re trying to feed your animation career fantasy - you’re going to go right back to either complaining about the lack of jobs or giving sympathy to those who are, after? Psychology of a dysfunctional person.

>>149491075
C’mon Alex Hirsch, I know it’s you, I know you browse /co/, nobody likes yo corporate style, cope harder.

>>149488020
UPA doing that shit in the 50s lead to this endgame. Fuck off.

Why don't they just own it? I don't get it. People seem to respect the connotation of "rubber hose" style which is hardly a separate beast. But once you point out the characters smile similarly it becomes something you have to deny. Why? I feel like of it wasn't met with aggression it would just become a generic descriptive term that would have no value as ammunition.

>>149488005 (OP)
Grubhub expanded universe!

>>149488059
Fuck you, I loved that show and it's unrepenting twerking boss girl
>Work it, work it, work it
>WORK IT!

>>149490974
It’s easier to get defensive and insult your intelligence

>>149488005 (OP)
You know, I like to think that at this point in history there is enough chatter and enough examples that following a very specific style now has an element of divisiveness to it that will cause a percentage of viewership to drop or not give it a chance. It has to be known by now, there is no way anyone can act surprised that the style is not in some way an issue for a percentage of viewers.

So the part I cannot really understand is, why triple down on it? Even if they hate the chuds and are mad people called them out and raged at them back in the Thundercats days, it has to be known that a style has some means of creating an element of disturbance among the viewers and will create problems.

From a marketing standpoint it makes sense to simply quit doing it. It's easy to just make a mouth look differently, than to go on social media and make the project even MORE divisive by unnecessarily stirring up shit with the general public. That's just more and more negative press on a project. Why is it studios are not trying to avoid negative commentary on their output now? It does affect the work, Thundercats was not that successful. Elio was not that successful. Any form of negativity attached to a project does affect it, in a time when they really can't have that while studios are struggling.

I just cannot see any point from a business perspective to double down and do something that is now known to have negative effects on the project.

>>149491201
Because no one is going to shift millions of dollars of effort from two dozen professionals in multiple countries because some middle aged losers on X complained about it.

>>149491201
Or, just thinking out loud here, maybe....juuuuust maybe you can grow up and stop spending all your time complaining about kiddy cartoons.

>>149491201
You are suggesting that studios making output for children ages 7-13 should instead listen to the thoughts and opinions of aging single white males broadcasting their rage out of their parents basement and adjust all future works to their tastes only? That sounds like a winning formula for financial success to you?

>>149491201
Hows about Naah.

>>149491201
>So the part I cannot really understand is, why triple down on it?
the people doing the gaslighting and pretending like they're not doing exactly what people are accusing them of are actually narcissistic enough to believe what they're saying. They're hunkering down in the gaslighting because they themselves believe it and are absolutely convinced that the people criticizing them are actually just bad faith actors making shit up.

>>149491289
It’s a business, refusing feedback guarantees failure.

>>149491308
This is dated as fuck bro, you an elder millennial? We have smartphones now.

>>149491383
That would be the part where I would use the phrase
>It's a goddamn cartoon
I'm having some trouble believing that there can be bad faith actors about a damn cartoon, much less lots and lots of them enough to actually harm the bottom line and damage the brand. At that point you have to believe there really and truly is some divisive element happening there and it's not just angry guys on twitter being angry trolls.

>>149491400
>It’s a business, refusing feedback guarantees failure.
THAT'S the part that I would have assumed would have been paid attention to right there.

It's a business, that depends on customers. Customers are not happy -> they do not patron the business ->business is hurting from it.
It's very very simple. Don't do a thing that in any way hurts business. If they see adhering to a style somehow hurts some level of business, stop it. Attacking the complainers in public also hurts the business. Being negative in any way or attacking anything anywhere hurts the business. Stop doing that.

>>149491405
you're assuming that literally any of the people with the power or authority to recognize and actually do something about it aren't retarded

>>149491449
>It's very very simple. Don't do a thing that in any way hurts business.
The entire industry is currently being run by sub-40IQ morons, including the bean counters

>>149491405
>>149491449
>>149491453
>>149491470
There is a very simple and very obvious well-known reason for all of this

>nepotism

>>149491449
There is a very strong reason why only professionals who were skilled and trained in talking to the public were doing all the public relations. Somehow this little nugget of wisdom was lost around 2016 when just any crew member of a project would jump on twitter and shoot their mouth off. Harming themselves, their project, and their studio in the process.

But for some reason, studios never reigned that shit in at all. They decided to let the morons continue shooting their mouths off and fanning flames that hurt show after show, movie after movie, and here we are today. Studios are dying, no one sees films any longer, tv is dead, streaming is dying...no one likes modern entertainment any more.

>>149488294
Because it's beanmouth. Just because you like the show doesn't change the facts.

>>149488840
>20 times worse then been slop
the reason being?

>>149491553
There’s double standards among these people, you as an industry person rage out at anyone who criticizes your precious beanmouth style, you’re okay, you as an industry person rage out to actually criticize beanmouth and actually hold cartooning to a higher standard, you’re blacklisted.
>>149491118
Beanmouth slop is unattractive garbage, time to show you what’s REALLY hot

>>149491641
Smiling Friends leans more towards being Newgrounds-based, Pims smile is the closest we have to beanmouth in the show, honestly I’d rather have adult animated comedies look like this rather than:
>>149489465

Why is Hirsch so whiny on twitter? I doubt most people would hate him if he shut the fuck up, he's no Walt Disney to go around humble-bragging about art or talking about his political views
Ward and Quintel aren't getting weekly hate threads even if some people hate their shows

>>149488781
>Kick Buttowski
It had way better animation than the others so i wouldn't put it next to the other ones.

>>149488905
based and informed

>>149488223
>The Owl House also doesn’t necessarily have a beanmouth style, but its style is very beanmouth-adjacent.

No, it's just not the same at all. Not even close.

>>149489977
cartoons made based of reacting are never good

The animation industry, like many entertainment industry, is full of fuck heads unwilling to admit their own faults while focusing on everyone else. Sure the CEOs should be castrated and dumped in a salt mine can you PLEASE for the love of fuck try to be more self aware about your own failings as artists and writers.

>>149492255
It looks like anime which is bad. A whole other problem.

>>149488807
>Adult cartoons do not suffer from beanmouth syndrome, they suffer from Family Guy cloning.

And that's far worse desu.

>>149492255
The Owl Houses artstyle is ugly as shit, Luz looks like she has down syndrome. It’s stiff as shit, unexpressive, their heads are mildly bean shaped, sounds beanmouth-adjacent to me. I don’t fucking understand why so many find this shitty artstyle so appealing.

They looked better in concept art
https://theowlhouse.fandom.com/wiki/The_Owl_House_(series)/Production_artwork
I love Alex Kirwans artstyle, wish they gone with that

>>149492190
>Why is Hirsch so whiny on twitter?
Because he's a whiny twitter addict

>>149492366
>UPA inspired art style
Why they didn't go with it? It had way more personality.

>>149492190
The modern "problems" experienced by creative types on the social internet are entirely self-imposed and the direct result of them being attention starved faggots. There was never weekly controversy about the creator of XYZ show back in the 90s because they weren't blasting their retarded opinions onto the internet 24/7 for every faggot with a smartphone to interact with.

>I made a cartoon and now BIGOTED INCELS are HARASSING ME and sending me DEATH THREATS
Good news, you can just log the fuck off moron. You won't literally die if you stop trying to farm twitter clout for 2 hours.

>>149492366
If you have to make edits to show that the artstyle is ugly, you have no case. Luz is a top tier cutie and looks much better than the concept art.

He's right
/co/ mass suicide

niggas psyop you into thinking gumball and steven universe all look the same but then go apeshit if someone else says all anime looks the same

>>149492607
Retard, this style looks like shit

>calling TOH, bean-mouth.
I hate the bean-mouth style too but you gotta sometimes stop calling bean-mouth everything you don't like.

>>149492876
Both styles are shit, get spumpilled weeaboos

>>149492876
Steven universe is literally stealing a lot of its scenes from better anime like Utena or Eva.

>>149492969
All these buzzwords are meaningless beyond "modern cartoon I don't like" and requires you to not use your eyes and to not notice differences in art direction, I really hope the internet gets nuked so some future historian develops something better that isn't influenced by latent culture war vocab.
Even "beanhead" is fucking retarded because that head shape is old as fuck and almost universally is supposed to indicate some kind of neotenous features and cuteness, you will find heads shaped like "beans" everywhere

>>149488613
>>149489320
Horribly pretentious posts

>>149488092
So was the UPA/Hana Barbera look in the 00's

>>149493035
Are you deliberately misreading what I'm saying or are you a bot just stringing loosely connected words together
Post a background of SU, like the beach house and say it looks like regular show

>>149493074
Sorry, but brain havers must use them. Or the brain will stage a revolt

>>149493108
Nah, I just found it weird that someone would ever defend su while mocking anime(not saying that you are doing that) when su is a copycat.
>Post a background of SU, like the beach house and say it looks like regular show
Isn't the discussion about character designs rather than backgrounds?

>>149488840
>black and white with ragtime music and everyone walks like an accordion
its shit gramps

>>149493188
I have a lot of shit to say about the anime influences of cartoons and whether that's good or bad, and how arbitrary the distinction can be, and trying to see what people want when they always say anime is better but then get mad and shocked when anime keeps influencing cartoons.
But that's irrelevant right now
>Isn't the discussion about character designs rather than backgrounds?
This discussion is years old and was always about the general look of shows. They go hand in hand to me

>>149488807
>Adult cartoons do not suffer from beanmouth syndrome, they suffer from Family Guy cloning
This has been true since Brickleberry(and before) and the buzzwords have been getting so much worse that I've seen people even retroactively call those "beanmouth"

>>149488840
There's not even bait on this hook
>>149493298
>>black and white with ragtime music and everyone walks like an accordion
That's kino though
He's talking about Hanna Barbera cartoons where the background is repeated 20 times and in one poorly animated walking cycle

>>149493306
>shocked when anime keeps influencing cartoons.
Idk, most anime influences in cartoons are just "look at this reference".

>>149491201
>>149491449
The narrative the professionals are using is that the only complaints they are hearing are the evil racist misogynist gamergate incel CHUDS are making any negative noise at all. And therefore
>A) They are not to be listened to in the first place
>B) If they don't like it? GOOD! Do more of that! do anything and everything that pissed off and triggers the evil white male chuds that are screaming on Twitter!!! Make ten more shows in the same style just to spite them!!

>make unique cartoon: *noone cares*
>make beanmouth slop: *internet gets flooded with complaints about it*
"hey guys, we should make our cartoon beanmouth, i heard it's free advertising!"

>>149493367
The influence goes deep enough to the "beanhead" shape half the the time, which people complain about. It's much deeper than that, it also influences tropes and character writing and a lot of the cringe dialogue and certain plots
Weebs hated cartoons, and now this is what we get

>>149493560
I don't know what to blame other than late 00's/early 10's angry reviewer slop online, but the internet is way more obsessed with hating something they don't like than caring about something that's good or at least attempting to not be slop

>>149493669
You don't need to blame, creators just need to learn to shut the fuck up and ignore people. The fact that something has a lot of people hating on it online doesn't mean anything, and the fact that they feel obligated to respond to it is retarded. Just shut the fuck up, it's easy.

>>149493634
Not really.
> character writing and a lot of the cringe dialogue and certain plots
Like what? A lot of the modern cartoons that have problems with the writing like owl house or whatever read like the average ya novel rather than having anything to do with an anime. Also the characters talk in a very american(californian) way that sounds nothing like how the japanese talk. They will still “ reference” anime scenes but the shows themselves are as western as you can get.

>>149493483
>Beanmouth appeared around the current year (2015)
>Beanmouth defined it's era
>Changing style would send message of era change
>Changing era would mean current year is over
>Nepo babies want to convince themselves current year never end
>Nepo babies keep beanmouth style alive artificially
In the end it's political.

The fact that Gumball gets lumped in with the beanmouth shit has never failed to irk me. Gumball is not beanmouth, or CalArts style or whatever you wanna call it. It has a creative mixed media presentation and doesn't look or feel anything like the other cartoons on these dumbass charts. Keeping this in mind, saying its style is unoriginal or overly derivative is an incredibly tone deaf criticism.

>>149491383
can’t approach feedback with openness and curiosity if it triggers unprocessed feelings like being misunderstood and unappreciated and you can always blame feeling that way on your shitty boss, so every observation that feels like an insult is ultimately a problem with either the audience or the boss because they did this to you

>>149489977
All the Elon and Trump ass kissing is so embarrassing

>>149493885
It is beanmouth. You can say it's more stylized or that it doesn't just use beanmouth, but that doesn't make it not beanmouth.

>>149493885
I mean yeah but a lot of Gumballs designs give off beanmouth energy, despite the whole mixed media aspect, common features many of the characters have include stuff like circular eyes, bean smiles, simplistic features, all features of beanmouth, you can even see the rock guy doing the bean smile in that pic.

Honestly Gumballs one of the few beanmouth shows that actually made the style fun to look at

>>149488075
is that pic from the same dude that did molly mcgee?
they eyes are kind of a giveaway

How does a human being look at this shit artstyle and go "wow, this looks so cool and unique"

>>149494318
>>149494357
Even if that's the case, I very seriously doubt it was because of some corporate mandate or Ben Bocquelet being creatively bankrupt. It was created by complete outsiders and honestly they look more like Japanese mascots than Steven Universe or Gravity Falls characters.

>>149493885
now post S3 onwards gumball

>>149492845
Kys troon

>>149490396
DUDE!!!! The western animation artists fucked up beyond belief, plus Katie Rice, the modern day Paul J Smith worked on this film and everyone avoided the movie because Katie Rice worked on the movie.

Telecom needed to do The Day The Earth Blew Up, not waste their talents on Lupin the IIIrd the Movie: The Immortal Bloodline, simple as that.

>>149490971
Oops, sorry, wrong gif.
>>149491045
None of those shows look "amazing", you want amazing, go watch Anne Shirley, that looks amazing.
>>149491845
Not being funny animal comedies and not following the Preston Blair book for starters.
>>149493298
No, black and white with ragtime/jazz music and everyone walks like an accordion is a good thing.

>>149488329
Kill yourself Famicom.

>>149494162
Most anti-woke cartoons are made by Trump and Elon dickriding Xennials who are out of touch with the animation industry and think they’re being revolutionary.

Mr. Birchum was Adam Carollas passion project made for the Daily Wire+, said streaming service prided itself on content not suitable for television, and what was Mr. Birchum? A cheap safe edgy sitcom that looks like any generic adult cartoon these days. Much like Alex Hirsch, he isn’t furthering the medium of animation, hey, I guess the lefty and righty animation industries aren’t so different from eachother huh.

>>149496018
Kys Famicom, also lmao, I’m not watching fucking Anne Shurley, I watch cartoons made to be enjoyed by both children and adults like Ed Edd & Eddy and Dexters Lab.

Face it faggicon, Ren & Stimpy was more influential than Tiny Toons and you know it, cope harder

>>149488059
I’m more concerned about the teeth honestly

>>149496137
Anne Shurley is a show that is enjoyed by both children and adults.

Only nostalgia fags watch Ed Edd & Eddy and Dexters Lab because those shows have no merit, Nadia and Evangelion on the other hand do have merit and are just as respected as Barber Of Seville and Ski For Two.

>>149496137
Ren and Stimpy is not more influential than Tiny Toons, we got MOTHER FUCKING Porco Rosso and Nadia out of Tiny Toons so please shot the fuck up, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>149496253
>>149496295
>Famicom meltdown

>>149496253
Sorry but I’m not a weeb, I don’t watch anime shit, the shows on CN and Nickelodeons 90’s-early 2000’s lineup were incredibly popular for a reason, cause they were well-animated and funny, and you know what show is only watched by 90’s nostalgiafags? Tiny Toons, no adult cares about that show except for autists like Dennis Falk and you.

>>149496295
You talk like a child throwing a tantrum and wonder why nobody takes your schizo bullshit seriously

>>149496346
No, those were not Famicom's posts.
>>149496381
Not the case, also you're the one who is posting schizo bullshit and is throwing a temper tantrum.
>>149496350
You should watch anime, it will save your life one day and the ONLY Nickelodeon programing that was ever popular was SpongeBob who was popular enough to kill of Pokémania, Rugrats was never anything more then a cult following and only geeks and nerds watch Avatar/Korra.

The only programing that did well for CN was vintage animation, 90s WB reruns and anime, strictly as their own programing failed to get any market share the way Dragon Ball Z and Hamtaro did.

>>149496543
Nobody cares about Hamtaro today lmao

>>149495869
Stop blaming animators you hate, Famicom, the film was fucked over by poor marketing, funny cause you stated before that you loved Bob Clampett, yet hate this film influenced by his work because the person who you claimed ruined the reboot of one of your favorite "anime" series just so happened to work as one of the animators on that film, and by your logic the film is bad now because of that, boy I sure do wonder why people laugh at you. The film has talents like Peter Browngardt, Stephen Destefano, Eddie Trigueros, Michael Ruoco, it’s an ideal modern American artist-driven animated film, yet you say "fuck that and the people on it, it should’ve been animated in the East", you really seem to respect the industry, retard.

>>149496543
> you're the one who is posting schizo bullshit and is throwing a temper tantrum.

Projection at its finest

>>149488174
I wish I was Alex Hirsch, so I can Kurt Cobain myself.

>>149496665
Commence the shitty MS Paint Deviantart tribute drawings of the Gravity Falls characters standing around his gravestone

>>149496018
My mistake, I thought I was replying to an actual person not the resident schizo retard

>>149489329
you first granny
>>149494800
you first toon

>>149492366
Kirwan's take on Eda looks interesting (but not better), Cousin's Luz is leagues more appealing than Kirwan's, and Kirwan's King has a cooler(but less fitting) look.

>>149488223
>more unique in concept art,
it's just cheap western "I grew up watching Ghibli¨style. look at that flustered pose on bottom left, straight up from one of their movies.
Bean mouth has always been a weird mutation of adapting Ghibli faces into easy made for tv cartoons animated in Korea

>>149490800
Already the case, burn pederasts.

>>149488005 (OP)
>>149488048
Not even I Hate Fairyland could escape beanmouthification.

>>149497064
What's up with that comic? I was a bit interested in reading it but i saw that the final chapter had a bunch of retarded OCs and lost interest

>>149497242
To put it on simple terms, the second run became an inferior rethread of the first one despite selling itself as a sequel.
The whole OCs thing refers to how nuGert had to recruit public domain Fairytale Characters to defeat Happy, including Steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse.
The just started third run has a new artist that draws Gert with beanmouth.

>>149496554
Yes, they do.
https://x.com/hamu86taro86/status/1945698726946721872
>>149496555
No it wasn't, the film bombed because Katie Rice worked on it and everyone hates her for stealing Atsuko Tanaka's job on Animaniacs'2020 and it's much more Ren and Stimpy and Dexter's Lab then Bob Clampett and if you wanted talent you should've got Toshihiko Masuda, Kenji Hachizaki, Takashi Kawaguchi and Kazuhide Tomonaga instead as they would've made a movie that will give Mamoru Hosoda a run from his money.

I'm saying that "It should’ve been PRODUCED in the East", not just animated.

But if I can say 2 good things about it, it will be the scene where the live action silhouette was blocking the screen which is a call back to Tex Avery and it's still a better movie then Klaus, thats the only good things about it.
>>149496733
You're the schizo retard in this thread.

>>149497467
Someone should send this schizopost to a person who worked on the film, they’ll find it funny as shit

>>149497467
>4k likes
Come on.

>>149497753
No, not a schizopost.
You on the other hand are a schizo.

>>149493352
1957-1963 Hanna Barbera kicks ass because the studio was ran by Ex-MGM staff (namely Ed Benedict and Ken Muse) and Michael Maltese and Warren Foster did all the writing, it's 1970s Hanna Barbera thats poorly animated.

>>149488005 (OP)
>be op
>be a fag and a schizo

>>149488223
Wouldn't be the first time Disney rejected actually good character designs for Grubhub animation.

>>149499209
does this pass off as good now

>>149488223
Bottom left except the box is full of Bad Dragon dildos

>>149488933
>using weasel words and double speak to get what they want
Well its obviously failed catastrophicly, lol

>>149499229
Just compare the 2 and see for yourself.

>>149496350
>Sorry but I’m not a weeb, I don’t watch anime shit,
Lol, anime was extremely popular on CN back in the day. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>149499209
>Animators all want to be Ghibli
>Executives all want Steven Universe
>Somehow It fails

>>149499209
>>149488223
Why are all this new zoomer artist want to draw like faggot ass anime tumblrs?

>>149499209
Crazy how Scott Watanabe was on the concept team for borh Strange World and Kpop Demon Hunters but one was unironically close being the actual woke boogeyman that people screech about while Kpop Demon Hunters was almost too safe with how run of the mill and "classic court romance between conventionally attractive characters" it was. Goes to show even big talent on a team can't save a doomed story/art direction.

>>149499923
>zoomer
Aclin has been working in the industry since 2009, I doubt the is a zoomer.

>>149488067
>does anyone else have anti-woke fatigue?
only sjws feel this way.

>>149488067
The internet has turned insufferable ever since Elon bought twitter and the whole sweet baby inc thing, it's like being back in 2016 but so much worse because there's always some loud annoying leech complaining and repeating every buzzword from the past two years.

>>149500481
Problem is 2016 never fucking ended.

>>149500481
>>149500900
kys tourists.

>>149488067
It's all so tiresome.

>>149488005 (OP)
>"you should not care about my work"
odd posistion, but i will oblige him

>>149500972
I've been here years before the site became a cess/pol/ anon