Thread 149896168

This show is a really good example of why it's bad for a show to be made by animators and not writers. It's writing is uncanny, cringe, and just awful. It's has a very webcomic written by a high-schooler vibe. By far the worst thing is the dialogue. It often feels flat, forced, and sometimes crinegworthy due to its unnaturalness. I feel like the "emotional moments" in a lot of ways are completely undeserved and often unnecessary.

>>149896168 (OP)
how do i into good writing?

>>149896168 (OP)
Maybe stop shilling it then, no?
Half the catalog is filled with this crap already.

It's autism core, there's an appeal to that kind of spherical millenial writing in a vaccum. It's the same thing with Hazbin Hotel where it's obviously poorly written and paced but neither of those things are really "the point" it's just endearing cringe nonsense / camp + wanting to fuck the characters.

>>149896168 (OP)
You can't just have your characters announce how they feel.

That makes me feel angry!

>>149896351
You're a homosexual

>>149896386
Ok?

>>149896168 (OP)
It's the classic webcomic problem. The vast majority of people with the talent to create something, are not (comparatively) talented in more than one thing. Webcomics are a medium where one person can be the everything/every role for the project, but as aforementioned they aren't talented for every necessary role in the project. So if they're a talented artist the webcomic will have a great style and look good, but the rest will be lacking such as the writing because they're not a talented writer. But because they technically can put out the project on their lonesome, they don't want or don't feel the need to bring in the help of others who have the talent where they themself are lacking. Indie games are a similar medium where one person can do everything, and usually only one aspect is worthwhile

Higher caliber productions like animated shows or bigger video games necessarily need more people, and so avoid escape the single-creator-single-talent trap. There are exceptions in both ways, some savants can manage a bigger production on their own, or bigger productions with several talented people can still end up crap, but as a general trend this holds. A writer should write, an artist should draw, an animator should animate, etc. and mediums that can tolerate straying from this are messy minefields compared to mediums that can't

>>149896168 (OP)
Who would you rather hire to write it?

Why did they start singing the "Daisy" song?

>>149896168 (OP)
>This show is a really good example of why it's bad for a show to be made by animators and not writers.
But I like the writing. A lot. The very premise of your argument is therefore wrong and makes it all fall apart.

It's appealing to the eye and that's all that should matter in a cartoon. To me. In my shitty opinion.
>>149896597
Just skip to the part when Zooble runs to her room

What's bad about the writing?

I know it's a different format but man, Toby Fox is a way better writer than gooseworx

>>149896168 (OP)
Cool I just want to fuck the girls from the show though.

>>149896168 (OP)
Well said. Circus cultists will deny this, though.

>>149896168 (OP)
No shit Sherlock I told you that before episode 1, of any web show, and noone fucking listens. Theres no appeal. Why do Zoomers watch shows with color patterns usually used to unconciously make people leave fast food restaurants? Red-blue? Red-white? Fuck off.

>>149896168 (OP)
B-but anon, it's weird and, and... and you can't predict what will happen next! It's obviously character-driven, so the story is not important!

And what about all the confirmed implied inclusivity I keep trying to push through Xitter and Tumblr!!

>>149896182
If you're asking seriously, you read and watch a variety of media. Books, cartoons, movies, video games, comics, etc to see how others have done it. Practice makes perfect, so whatever you start out writing is going to be fucking awful unless you're an anomaly, but over time, your dialogue sounds more natural, your plotting is more organized, and your prose flows better. If you learn from your mistakes that is, if you never change you'll still be writing dreck and crap 10 books or episodes later as when you started.

tldr. Read more and practice practice practice!

But it's visually interesting and genuinely funny and that's what's most important in this kind of cartoon. Tired of crappy "adult animation" that should just be radio plays. You can't have everything.

>>149896182
Read more. I do not think you can truly appreciate good writing without appreciating pure writing prose. That isn't to say that other forms of media lack good writing. It is just important to view good writing in its purest form.
For books specifically about writing, I think "Elements of Style" and "On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft" are good learning tools with plenty of practical advice.

>>149896168 (OP)
>it's bad for a show to be made by animators and not writers. It's writing is uncanny, cringe, and just awful. It's has a very webcomic written by a high-schooler vibe
This shit has been going on since the late 10s, maybe even earlier. No, it won't get better. Dumb, horny 14-16 year olds here will praise the new shit because they don't know any better

Abandon 'Cartoons' part of /co/ and take the comicspill

>>149896597
Earlier in the episode Zooble mentions that Caine sings it outside her door whenever she refuses to come out. It's a brick joke troll because Jax claimed to be ignorant about it.

>>149897464
>Tired of crappy "adult animation" that should just be radio plays.
I mean you're getting that here with 3 minute scenes of characters talking about their feelings

>>149896168 (OP)
Jealousy is ugly, anon.

The show has perfectly serviceable sitcom scripting

>>149897414
>How do I get good at writing? By reading about writing techniques and concepts? By practicing? By analyzing scripts in-depth? By being taught?
>"Nah nigga just watch a bunch of shit"
You're not a good writer and you shouldn't be giving this terrible advice.

There's no point in critiquing TADC. I've written long effortposts detailing all its issues since the pilot and no one cares. Literally not a single person gives a shit. All that matters is crafting theories and discussing ships. That's how fucking inane the average slop watcher is. They are actually physically incapable of dissecting anything they consume beyond the most superficial, self-serving ways.

You guys remind me of /v/ where you all intrinsically hate indie things by default for incomprehensible reasons

>>149897639
100M view youtube series with merchandising deals and corporate backing are not indie, please KINDLY fuck off with this nothing of a gotcha attempt

>>149897639
>zoomie ignores the detailed critiques meticulously laid out in front of them because it hurts their feelings
Many such cases!

>>149897547
He literally proceeds to your next point in the next sentence by writing "practice makes perfect", which is then further developed to "perfect practice makes perfect". It's also emphasized in the TLDR at the end.
"Analyzing scrips in-depth" is arguably implied, but that's where I'd most likely break bread with you. "By being taught" seems to be catering to a completely different kind of audience. This is probably just a hobbyist casually asking because they're afraid of being called cringe in their ao3 comments section, not someone with serious aspirations.
Sounds to me like you glanced at the first line and immediately made it your mission to paint the dude a certain way.

>>149896168 (OP)
Nice animation opinion you got there, did you get it from a troon? Neck yourself, you fucking retard. It's autistic no-talent faggots like you rearing their ugly heads constantly that's why we can't have cartoons that are even slightly fun or loose with the visuals and storytelling.

Jealousy sure is a hell of a drug.

>taking writing advice from /co/
>/co/, the same board that has accomplished literally nothing
>I mean so much literal nothing that even all the other boards make fun of this dump for making zilch except “12 year old with inflated tits”
lol
lmao, even

>>149897703
>don’t like the new troon cartoon? YOUR A TROON
Projection much?

>>149897665
What did you expect? Underages can't argue for shit

>>149896168 (OP)
Give me 3 examples.

>>149897547
I like how you can't attack his argument so you just dismiss what is obviously sincere advice and throw in an ad hominem based on zero logic. If someone interested in making a D&D campaign or fantasy novel wants to know how to get better at worldbuilding, literally everyone they ask will tell them to read more. Obviously this doesn't mean read nothing but Brandon Sanderson. Obviously you should have an even ratio of creating to consuming. Obviously we feel a kneejerk reaction when we're given vague tips like "practice more." Pretending ALL of that isn't enough shows that you're not actually interested in improving your craft whatsoever, if you ever had one to begin with. Get fucking real anon, the reason these indie cartoons often fall flat in the writing department is because 95% of the words these creators are reading come from social media. The simple idea of picking up a text built specifically around improving creative writing is above them. It's probably above you too. Nigga.

>>149897629
The fact that you call them "effortposts" tells us everything we need to know about the level of intellect you possess and the quality of your opinions.

>>149897742
You're a smug nigger and your posts reek of projection since the GALL of anyone having confidence in their ability to state facts and opinions upsets you personally.

>>149897721
No, I'm saying that's the exact opinion on writing in cartoons that Lily Orchard spouted and has become a soundbite repeated ad nauseum. I'm not a TADC fan, but I don't think the show is an unhealthy thing for the industry. We should have more cartoons where the artists have creative freedom. I'll take something taking on the challenge of being cartoony and silly and making it work with low-budget 3D over some bullshit with no ambition whatsoever like that LS Mark pilot.

TADC won.
Deltarune won.
Frieren won.
4chinz lost.

>>149896182
Practice, talent and discipline. If all else fails, hire an editor whose whole job is to tard wrangle you, tell you that your retarded ideas are, in fact, retarded and remind you of deadlines

>>149897748
Thank you for instantly proving my point.

>>149897732
I'm not reading all of that shit
If you were a good writer you'd get your point across with less babbling and more formatting
Brevity is the soul of saying smart stuff the people like and makes you look smart and cool too

>>149896182
Push the fucking plot along for one
Start making your characters speak towards each other like people
Use events, places, things, and words as symbols representing the themes of the story.
Lastly, make your characters act in ways that would solve their issues. This is biggest problem with TADC: it’s a Demiurge plot where the main character isn’t trying to escape their situation. The other characters don’t have to, representing the easy trappings for why you should quit, but if the MC doesn’t then it becomes the pointless shit before you where each episode is baiting merchandise until the real plot happens.

>>149897753
Creative freedom to animate yet another realistic panic attack in a cartoon?
Creative freedom to fill the majority of runtime with characters standing still and yapping?
Creative freedom to insert literal self-insert of a troon with a head drilling fetishist into children's media?
Creative freedom to not actually progress its own plot and make its FIFTH episode nothing but meta navelgazing?

Go ahead and tell me what the point of all this creative freedom is.

>>149896168 (OP)
Plague we know it's you

>>149897773
>refuses to even read the argument
Zoomers can’t read so I don’t even think you’re refusing, you just can’t read it.

>>149897786
>pedo dogwhistle

>>149897778
>It's the evangelicals schizo again
Figures

>>149897773
Anti-intellectualism is not a personality and you should promptly kill yourself for being nihilistic niggercattle incapable of ever reading the absolute faggotry that gets drooled out onto your screen.

>>149896182
Which word is missing from this sentence? It changes the answer

>>149897786
Whatever helps you cope my son

>wojakfaggot hates TADC
that’s how I know it’s good

>5 episodes in
>still no plot progression at all
How many episodes is this series again?

>>149897795
>Not wanting to read an unformatted rant from someone that thinks consooming makes you a good writer is anti-intellectualism

>>149897778
>Start making your characters speak towards each other like people
>Use events, places, things, and words as symbols representing the themes of the story.
Name 5 cartoons that do this and give you favorite moment of each one

>>149897814
>wojakfaggot
>look ITT
>no wojaks
Is this the tactics that the underage employ? Just making shit up that sounds insulting even if it doesn’t apply?

>>149896168 (OP)
Yeah that's great, Anon. No one cares. Do something half as good as this show and the world might end from the collective shock.

>>149896182
Adding to what other anons have said. You genuinely NEED to have some irl experience; talk with people, engage in hobbies, read biographies as a supplement etc

>>149896182
Don’t listen to /co/ for one, even the shonenshitters on /a/ can give you more valid advice.

>>149896168 (OP)
>It's writing
Retard can't even spell and expects to have his opinion taken seriously

>>149897779
Those things are the reason I don't like TADC, save for the 3rd complaint as the show is aimed at adults (immature as it is). I'm talking more about the visual side of it, and some of the joke writing occasionally when it isn't doing Reddit quirky shit. There's a great many good cartoons that did not have writers the way you are thinking. Old Looney Tunes shorts, early SpongeBob, Dexter's Laboratory, Rocko's Modern Life, Chowder, Billy & Mandy, Phineas and Ferb, these are all storyboard-driven shows where cartoonists were writing them.

>>149897826
Posting Dragon Ball and failing to do a proper greentext does not make you anything but a dumb faggot with no argument.

>>149896182
Record your everyday conversations, and then transcript them to text.
You'd be surprised how much you can learn from seeing natural conversation in the third person, and just how different natural conversation can be from what is often considered more naturally written dialogue.

>>149897868
>Oh yeah!? W-well uh...y-you're a dumb faggot!

>try to make something with effort
>it gets ignored by the 40+ year old greasy spicnigger ragebaiters on /co/
such is life

>>149896597
Watch the show nigga. She said caine sings it when he's looking for her cause it's a HAL reference since caine is probably AI

>>149897792
It’s not an evangelical thing anon, Demiurge plots are just a type of story. The fucking Truman Show is one

>>149897815
Eight I think? Eight or nine?

>>149897877
You are and now you're spiraling.

>>149897898
That's nice, dear.
Take your meds.

>>149896597
>underage can’t recognize a 2001 reference
It’s over.

>>149896615
Big tony is carried hard by porn.
His music is super derivative and the writing ranges between meh and edgy 2007 webcomic (which is all toby knows)
Undertale would have never left it's small target group of homestuck fans if toriel didn't get a bazillion pictures on e621.

>Terminally online nepo babies screeching about muh effort
Hilarious

>pedofag is getting a hardon talking about underages
Grimmy

>>149897899
>3 or 4 episodes left and the plot hasn’t moved in the slightest
Lol

>>149897919
Projecting.

>>149897926
Yeah it's not ideal at the moment. My only hope is that the episodes continue to grow in length, but I doubt that'll get longer than this last one.

>>149897917
>holy yummaroo pornaroopy
why is /co/ the #1 board like this

>>149897926
>The plot!
It's a sitcom.
You're a bigger clown than Pomni.

>>149897773
TL:DR

You're a lazy stupid faggot lol

>>149897919
Well it is a cartoon

>>149897929
Go back to your ivory tower

There’s a troll shitting up the thread

>>149897732
>>149897786
Just saying "read more" and "practice more" are vapid statements that inexperienced people like to repeat because they have the air of wisdom, and that gives them a nice little dopamine hit.

What you actually need to do is learn to read with an analytical eye, so when you do read more books, you are able to identify what makes one good and another bad. It's a process of developing taste, but also developing a sense for what works and why. In much the same way that practicing drawing circles every day won't make you a good artist, simply reading to read won't make you a good writer. You need variety and purpose.

>>149897939
Even gigaspergs like Famicom hold these kinds of positions, oddly enough, like I distinctly remember him trying to say that May porn (the Pokemon character) carried the ratings of the Hoenn era of the anime, which makes literally zero sense if you even vaguely think about it

>>149897945
Feelings of inadequacy.

>>149897941
You and I both know that's not true.

>>149896168 (OP)
>says it’s evidence why it sucked by posting how successful that writing is in terms of views
>>149896182
This is gonna be a hard thing to swallow but the only true answer is writing with other people. You can only be so good by yourself without collaborating and hearing others input. This also means people will tell you your writing is shit until it gets good.

>>149897924
>you pointed out I’m acting like a child?!?!? You must be a PEDO!
Go cry about it on Twitter, you’ll get more support there.

>Show entirely carried by the music
>Is entirely music-less for half it's runtime

What did Goose mean by this?

>>149897967
Fascinating
Tell me, how frequent are these delusions?

>>149897926
>>149897937

There are only 3 episodes left and I just don't see how the plot can be rapped up in only an hour and a half of total time. Maybe if goose made the finale an hour long I could see it, but things are looking grim for any kind of quality character/plot resolution.

>>149897968
>it has a lot of views, so the writing MUST be amazing!
Damn, AI brainrot must have Shakespearean levels of writing then given how many views it gets.

TADC can be cringe at times but if you push yourself past that and allow yourself to be immersed, it's pretty good. Come to think of it, it's kinda meta that much like how the creepy simulation hell shit is hidden under the colourful youtube kids looking shit, there's actual nuance to the show.
Now I don't wanna start a dumb 'muh internet show is better than your internet show (we both have no involvement in them and will die wagecucking) but Hazbin is the show whose writing I just can't get into. It's not even the swearing and sex scene. It's just so awkwardly written and paced and delivered it's just uncanny. The room tier of disjointed performances and dialogue that only make sense in viv's autistic head and nobody has the heart to tell her cause they make mad money off being her yes men.

>>149897987
>Guys there's only four episodes left and we STILL don't know how he met our mother!

>>149897987
If the last three episodes are going to be in the Punished Caine part of the story then maybe we'll get the plot the show needs, but I'm expecting at least one more character episode for Zooble, then a two part finale.

>>149896182
Redpill answer - writing is only “good” if it’s entertaining, pretentious DOGSHIT that needs to have deep themes and morals won’t amount to shit if nobody finds it entertaining to begin with (this is why political grifter media literally always fails regardless of alignment)

>>149897996
It's just stage patter, anon. It's not supposed to be realistic or nuanced. Everything on stage is big and exaggerated.

>>149897917
>Big tony is carried hard by porn.
yeah because pomni doesn't have porn lmao

>>149898026
Literally every story has morals and themes anon

>>149897939
Look into your heart and you'll know it's true. Post-2008 depression nihilism has taken away all shame and reservation around sex appeal. Everything ever used tits to be popular but they were dancing around it and pretending that's not the case, but now that every dude wants to escape the wagecage desperately and everyone is pretty explicit and shameless about it, they don't hide how they expect porn to carry them. Just look at helltaker or andy and leyley. Toby even made some transparent 'teehee i hope you arent making porn of my characters you guys xD' posts on 2015 twitter.

>>149898017
>>149897987
Imagine watching what is clearly a sitcom and expecting a strong serialized plot
Maybe turning every cartoon pseudo-serial was a mistake, you kids lost the ability to do anything but lore hunt.

>>149897987
Plenty of movies do even more than TADC has to do in 90 minutes

>>149896597
Daisy has significance in technology for being one of the first fully synthesized voice songs sung by a computer. This was referenced in Space Odyssey 2001 when Hal, a corrupted AI, is on the verge of death and sings it to the ship's Captain as his final words because it was the first thing Hal ever learned how to do. It symbolizes his regression and fear of death after betraying someone he cared about.

Caine has been singing it to Zooble because he realizes he's degrading and losing his purpose, and Jax/Pomni sing it to Zooble mockingly because they don't realize the significance.

>the show is going to get even more miserable
>episode 7 is a two-parter to "let the feelings sink in"

>Out of all indies only Viv somehow made it (and that toilet thing)
>Granted that polished turd is still a turd
I guess the future will be full of scarlet, FUCKFUCKSHITFUCK and overdesigned characters. If there is a future for indies ofc, it seems like all of them are just farts in the wind

>>149897502
Those are the parts I like the least, but it's a small price to pay given that their little therapy sessions don't make up the entire episode.

>>149898091
>Implying agrarian society survives past 2035
lol lmao
the future of cartoons is cave drawings

>>149898058
why can’t the hoard of retarded brown swarthoids admit that their excess porn consumption isn’t what normalfags are into
even the most popular normalfag anime now are consistently minimal in actual fanservice

Niggas be like
>the plot isn't moving
My brother in christ this is the plot.
The characters interacting. That's it. That's the meat and potatoes of every show.
Back when the world was sane and you had like 40 episodes of a show a year every year filler was THE norm. It's what people tuned in for. The x-files got popular for their monster of the week episodes. Not the halfassed overarching plot that got brought up every once in a blue moon.
You fucking tvtropes cunts are the reason every show today is just a sequence of loredumping 'woah dude' revelations on every one of their biyearly episodes.
I don't even want the fucking mystery of what the circus is explained too much cause it'd take away the mystique. I just like seeing kinger and ragatha and all the others

The logic of things being carried by porn is funny, something like DBZ has absolute bottom of the barrel porn despite its gigantic popularity while someone like Rouge the Bat has 20k+ images on e621 but Sonic is a series of almost constant flops

>>149898091
>toilet thing
Skibidi toilet is such a fucking mystery to me.
Some dude making machinimas took copyrighted valve assets and an existing song and did a machinima that blew up. Then they did it again a thousand times over and got millions of dollars.
This is as if some fucking ytp kid in 2007 got a multimedia empire out of the dinner soundbite.

>>149897987
Goose wears her influences on her sleeve. It looks to me that TADC is inspired by the pacing of those 13/26-episode 90s anime where you had a bunch of random done-in-one adventures and then the last episode blows the status quo up beyond repair.

>>149896468
this will be a bitter pill for you, but here it is. just because you can't draw doesn't mean you CAN write. some people are just shit at everything, and some people are just good at everything

it's not fair, but most of the time god doesn't give out the talent points equally.

>>149896168 (OP)
Congrats, you said all that without say anything substantial at all

>Porn
Ehh slop like MD barely reaches 8k on r34 after YEARS. So it can't be just porn, just plain shit taste in play

>>149898122
The premise of the sitcom here is that they need to leave the circus. They need to leave, they don’t try to leave in any way. That leaves a huge overhang on the cast where you’re always asking “who gives a shit about their personal drama, they need to escape this hell”

>>149898115
They don't need fanservice cause the fans serve themselves.
Look up literally any IP that existed for a long time in r34. From 2005-2015 they have a handful of badly, drawn shitposty pics and then there's a bang where every cunt who can hold a pencil the right way realized they dont have to work anymore.
It's not that everyonr suddenly learned to draw in 2015. It's that people who were ashamed/ thought drawing porn was beneath them just didn't give a shit anymore.

>>149898174
>The premise of the sitcom here is that they need to leave the circus.
It's amazing how confidently wrong you are.

>>149898166
Watch it, fucko. I've beaten my dick to plenty of MD stuff and I have shit taste, but I don't like the cut of your jib, buddy.

>>149898166
Well to tell you the truth MD isn’t that popular.

>>149898174
The premise of, say, breaking bad is that walt has to find money for his family after he dies, but it'd be boring as shit if it was a supercut of all the woah cool dudebro scenes with explosions condensed in three episodes cause people watched it to see walt be a dumb asshole.

>>149897778
>where the main character isn’t trying to escape their situation.
i don't think you understand the premise of the show. they're permastuck in there or at least believe they are, episode 1 establishes that.

doing random shit and befriending each other to not go crazy IS escaping the situation. each character's objective is to not abstract.

>>149898174
She tried leaving in the first episode and it didn't work. It'd just be in a Gilligan's Island rut if every episode was about trying to leave and failing.

>>149898071
I love the irony of a human character singing Daisy Bell in imitation of a robot character. It’s a fun role reversal.

I know the song wasn’t originally chosen for any particular purpose, but I also like over analyzing the lyrics themselves, and how they apply to a human/computer relationship. Like assigning meaning to the Daisy character, to the singer character, to the bicycle, etc.

>>149898186
To tell you the truth, it was SHIT and Liam should return to making ambient music or maybe even making album illustrations for living

>>149898122
Shows like X-Files went to shit and lost all their viewers and got cancelled when the big overarching plot overshadowed the Monster of the Week episodes and took away screentime from the main characters. People wanted to see Mulder and Scully bounce off each other while being funny and charming. Instead they got obnoxiously drawn out, convoluted plots about 4D chess government conspiracies where everything was fake and there were no aliens, except when there were aliens and now there's a virus or something but Mulder and Scully aren't in the show and instead it's some other people pretending to be Mulder and Scully equivalents, and so on and so on until the show died a death so miserable that it almost erased the show from the collective consciousness.

Some of the greatest shows of all time did exactly what TADC is doing now: Take your characters, establish their personalities, and then put them in situations. Star Trek made hundreds of episodes with this fucking premise. TADC is only straining against it because there's months between episodes and impatient instant gratification-seeking subhumans don't like when they have to wait more than a few minutes for anything.

>>149898196
TADC is a sitcom
Breaking Bad was a prestige drama
You are a dumb

>>149898091
>>Out of all indies only Viv somehow made it (and that toilet thing)
There's alan becker too.

>>149898174
>this shit again
Go rewatch the first episode and pay attention to the things the characters say to each other this time.

>>149898234
You can't teach that kind of delusional anon
I bet it's the same moron that complains about how Hazbin isn't biblically accurate

>>149898166
Imagine saying 8k pictures of porn (and countless others that never got archived in r34 and are lost to time on random artists' twitter accounts) isn't a lot

>>149898246
How many threads now? 3 or 4 of him going
>Why aren't they trying to escape the circus???
>THAT'S THE PLOT OF THE SHOW
>THEY AREN'T TRYING TO ESCAPE SO THE PLOT ISN'T MOVING
And then jacking off about how he made such a good point and that no one has ever refuted his genius "effortposts"

>>149898267
It isn't lol

>>149898061
The pilot obviously suggested greater goings on outside the circus with the C&A offices. It's done basically nothing with that since, outside of a few dropped hints.

>>149898122
If anything I think this show should have had more "filler" interactions between the main cast before they started spelling out their issues:
>episode 1, Kaufmo abstracted, no time to unwind
>ep 2, Pomni was separated from the others and only bonded with the npc
>ep 3, all the Jax/Ragatha/Gangle scenes were offscreen
>ep 4, everyone was awkward around each other but at least there was some build up
I feel like I started seeing the actual relationship dynamics only after episode 5, TADC does have a lot of foreshadowing but it also likes to focus on a lot of inconsequential wacky shit for better or worse. The excruciating wait between the episodes doesn't help so there's a lot of filling the gaps with your imagination going on. I don't know if it will pay off, but at least it's got sovl.

>>149898026
you need to do both. if your story is preachy people tune out.
but if your story doesnt have any lesson, people are gonna forget it in 2 weeks and move on to the next bright and shiny animation.

>>149898293
It explicitly showed that the offices were abandoned and then later confirmed that fact with Pomni saying she did urbex in an abandoned building and found the headset.

>>149898293
>The sitcom hasn't significantly addressed the setting after establishing it
Whoa hey maybe that's because it's a sitcom and not a serialized drama and once the premise was established that was it.

GUYS BARNEY KEEPS JUST SAYING PLEASE WHEN THEY ASK WHAT HIS JOB IS OBVIOUSLY THE POINT OF THE SHOW IS FINDING OUT HIS JOB WHY IS EVERY EPISODE JUST THE CHARACTERS TALKING AND DOING THINGS

>>149898182
Are you not confident when you say 2+2=4?

>>149898196
The premise of Breaking Bad is a character study on Walt becoming a drug dealer. In the first episode, he had the chance to become partner at his company or even have them treat his cancer and he refused it out of pride
>>149898206
>>149898210
>>149898234

The premise of the show is that they’re stuck in another world and want to escape but most of them have given up. That’s not compelling, it just leads to boring angst and the characters acting like teenagers.

I find that the problem with trying to make good writing is that you get praised by pseudo-intellectual dipshits who really just become strictly worse people after engaging with your story, because they only ever saw it as an accessory to their rancid personalities and never actually learned anything from it

>>149898396
>The premise of the show is that they’re stuck in another world and want to escape but most of them have given up.
No it isn't.

>>149896615
You're joking right
Deltarune has the sublety of a hammer with its themes, you might dislike the writing style of having characters talk out their issues but Toby's writing is very by the books

>>149897665
>average person ignores autistic nitpicks disguised as criticism

>>149898396
The premise is that they're stuck as IT workers for Reynholm industries and want better jobs but have given up. That not funny, it just leads to wacky situations and the characters acting like teenagers

>>149898434
Subtlety is vastly overrated

>>149896168 (OP)
Well I liked this ep and I like the show overall right now. I think the writing’s fine. There were a lot of moments I really liked in this ep.

The only part of this episode I was dissatisfied with was the very ending. It was dissatisfying. The whole ep felt like it was leading to a bigger climax that never got delivered. But since it’s a serialized show, I guess I’ll just wait for more episodes and see if that lead up reaches its end later. I guess in hindsight a couple of episodes now have done this, and I’m really just waiting on the end of the show.

>>149898293
I did not think that felt obvious at all.

>>149898398
kek I know right
>dood MORAL LESSONS! ebin SYMBOLISM!
like if you can recognize them then why are your lives still complete shit

>>149898405
It literally is
>>149898441
THEYRE NOT STUCK INSIDE THE COMPANY YOU BRAINDEAD RETARD OH MY GOD

>>149898396
It leads to hilarious hijinx that's entertaining to watch and the view count proves it.

>>149898455
Can you point out the things that you consider to be good? You know, "I like X" and " the writing’s fine" doesn't say much

>>149897659
kill yourself
>>149897639
for some reason, these morons decided to just blindly follow in the footsteps of industrycuck
>>149897720
fucking /v/ has katawa shoujo, snoot game, and to an extent, wani.
>hurr durr visual novels
AS OPPOSED TO /co/'s FUCKALL

>>149898478
It's not and you've been told this repeatedly. You are angry that the show is not following the plot you made up for yourself and then pretending this is a valid critique.

>>149898451
Yeah I guess if you can't engage with multilayered themes you'd feel that way.

>>149896168 (OP)
> It's has a very webcomic written by a high-schooler vibe
This is EVERY cartoon created by a millennial who grew up on the internet age. That’s why so many cartoons are deliberately written to be about shipping or blatant self insertion. There used to be a clear line between shit written by AO3 users and professional creators, but ever since Adventure Time that like has gotten very blurred.

>>149898550
>multilayered themes
like what

>>149898293
>It's done basically nothing with that since, outside of a few dropped hints.
It's not supposed to do anything with that.
The whole point is that they are trapped and have no contact with the outside world. It wasn't "Dropped", is being intentionally left out because the nature of the show as a character study hinges entirely on their isolation.

>>149898071
thank you for your service, I really didnt catch that

>>149898560
It ain't even AO3, it's pure Wattpad

>to write well you need to read more
so how did the first good books get written?

>>149898560
This.
It feels weird. Every show is a fanfic of a show that doesn't exist.

>>149898526
I think if thar’s not the premise of the show, which I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion, then why do they spend so much time on how things don’t behave like real life, how their angst is about how their not human anymore, and hinting at caine bugging out entirely. The drama the characters are going through can only exist if the situation was what it was. I think the writing is bad

>>149898596'
>I think if thar’s not the premise of the show, which I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion
It was the post where you directly stated
>The premise of the show is that they’re stuck in another world and want to escape but most of them have given up.
We literally had this exchange less than an hour ago.

>>149898498
Well, I’m hesitant to say because a lot of it is probably some of the exact things people are complaining about, maybe some people find it cringe or not nuanced enough, but I actually really like mist of the times when the characters just sit down and analyze their feelings in this one.

Like: The Zooble/Gangle talk about accepting oneself. That was sorta inspiring.

The part of the Kinger/Ragatha talk that alludes to the two of them having a bit of a history with one another and Kinger’s line about Ragatha inspiring him. I wasn’t expecting that but it was sweet of him to say.

I like Jax’s entire character in general. He’s obviously got a lot going on and dealing with his shit in a terrible self destructive way.
I like Pomni and Jax’s fight, and it feels to me like Pomni is trying a couple of times to make a point about the importance of just not being a dick to people- I like seeing that discussion between the two of them and Jax challenging the idea and giving Pomni and the audience an opportunity to think about it.

I like the little easter egg noticing Jax suddenly has a tail now and I wonder what that is supposed to mean.

I mention in a previous post about how I like the use of the song Daisy Bell >>149898215

I’ve been liking the building tension all show of Caine working up to an existential break

Oh, and also: I had a lot of fun with Gangle’s little quest to fire a tommy gun while laughing maniacally. That shit was great.

Sorry if it’s not super deep analysis, I’m trying to list multiple examples but to keep each one short.

something I’ve started to notice (or maybe I just didn’t notice till recently) about neo-modern-nu-4chan is that people will criticize media for narratives that are veritably incorrect if you actually interact with the media itself rather than just listening to what 4chan tries to brainwash you with, which when combined with how people like this just incessantly double down gives me this broad impression that they’re deliberately obfuscating the actual reason why they’re upset, something so embarrassing that even on an anonymous forum they will do everything in their power to not spill the beans on what’s making them angry enough to seethepost for years

Caine is not an AI. He is the lead developer. Kinger, and presumably his wife, worked under him. Perhaps there were a few others as well in the beginning. The whole Circus schtick started out as a coping mechanism for the group. Just a way for the devs to have some kind of fun and distract themselves from the fact that they are stuck. Caine, being the lead developer of the game, takes on the role as Ringmaster. Some others play along, understanding that they're truly stuck and they may as well try to entertain themselves. They may even start to have fun with the whole adventure gimmick. Others lose hope completely and abstract.

After a few years of this, the OG characters, including Caine, break. Currently, only Kinger and Caine remain from the original group. Caine has completely forgotten who he was and has completely absorbed the Ringmaster persona. He doesn't remember being the lead dev of anything. All he remembers is that he's the Ringmaster of The Amazing Digital Circus.

Hell, even fanfiction went to shit. People can't even create characters/OCs anymore, only shit like Reader or Y/N (basically anon but mystery meat)

>>149898692
I wouldn't know, I only read stories that are tagged Jax/Pomni because I am a cock sucking faggot

>>149898585
Poorly. Epic of Gilgamesh is kinda shit.

>>149898619
Anon…holy shit you are autistic….I was saying that if that isn’t the premise of the show and then wondering how YOU didnmf understand that. Holy fuck you are autistic I have been wasting my time with a literal autistic fat ugly man.

>>149898478
The premise is that they're trying to sell a lot of paper to make money but all they do is pull pranks and interact! I don't get it! When do they get better at paper selling?

>>149898596
You have a low IQ and autism

>>149898707
Slow yourself down before you break your keyboard, retard. You didn't say any of that.
>The premise of the show is [retarded bullshit (You) posted]
>No it isn't
>It literally is
>No it's not and you've been told this before
>I NEVER SAID THAT WAS THE PREMISGHUIE GJ T$PIGRNPIWEVBUIE$WFIG
Fuck off.

>>149896182
no joking have some restraint, its easy for people to say "just writte whatever and however you want, don't hold back" and the end result is a mess in all the fronts, you need rules to follow, you need to know what you can and more importantly what it CAN'T be done, be consistent at least 90% with the world/characters

TADC is not an indie show, it's pozzed slop funded by the Australian government
No wonder they'd fund a degenerate tranny's show

>>149898585
oral storytelling or some shit idk

>>149896168 (OP)
>Jax "teaching" pomni to shoot via philosophizing about their nature in the circus
Pretty damn good
>The other characters literally stopping dead just to talk. In kingers case literally saying "do you want to talk about it" Genuinely bad.

>>149898672
NTA but all of these things are perfectly fine stuff to like. A lot of the people bitching and seething about the quality of the show and its writing are just making up reasons to be mad because they've just decided the show was supposed to be something other than what it's been the entire fucking time. Being angry that the show isn't doing something it never implied it was going to do or being pissed off that characters are talking to each other instead of pursuing something that wasn't even hinted at during any point inside or outside of the show.

>>149897629
post some effort, nigger

>>149898585
Through experience

maybe western media has no good writing?

I don't get it! The premise is that they're taxi drivers so why are they all just talking and joking instead of driving taxis!

>>149898133
Sonic is extremely popular, though.

>>149897987
how I can tell you are underage jezuzz

>>149898061
>what is clearly a sitcom
It's not a sitcom, it's a character study.
Sitcoms exist to largely extend a status quo whereas character studies break down an analyze character motivations.

That's actually a major point of the most recent episode. It's that Jax is treating it like a sitcom when it's not and his determination to maintain a status quo is hurting people.

>>149898807
>I am retarded please rape my face
What did anon mean by this?

>>149898768
You say that like eastern media has any good writing
>MFW I've been here for over 10 years and I've seen /a/ have meltdowns over every major manga ending since then

>>149898141
>13/26-episode 90s anime where you had a bunch of random done-in-one adventures and then the last episode blows the status quo up beyond repair.
That sounds more like some 1995-2008 animu originals and a lot of those are not liked for their endings so that's a really garbage decision.

>Y'all got any good writing?
>We got sad moments and inserting our own problems

>>149898756
Thanks. I agree, I think that’s where a lot of the criticism is coming from. And I don’t get it. Or why so many anons are doubling down on it.

I gotta admit, I also expected a different direction after episode 1. I thought there’d be more earnestness out of the characters, more of an element of trying to solve a mystery. But when I saw it wasn’t gonna do what I predicted it to, I just, got over that. I’m not gonna hold the show against it. The show we have now is at least as good as the idea I made up in my head, probably better.

>>149898825
>>MFW I've been here for over 10 years
That's not a lot of time really and that anon is baiting but so are you. Ping pong was in 2014 and it was liked by /a/.

>>149898726
>>149898710
I love being smarter than retards like you. Life must be hard, your mothers (fat and ugly) must be sad. Type away anon, it won’t make your pigmom love you and it won’t change me being right

>>149898879
looks like someone struck a nerve

>>149898837
They're frustrating for people who like happy endings or who want open endings so they could continue having these adventures forever, but some are acclaimed, Cowboy Bebop being a big one.

I don't hate circus but its clear the people obsessed with it haven't seen or read much media outside of cartoons. It's formulaic and basic and it doesn't really do most of its tropes that its doing that well to the point it has over 1 billion views.
It's not even utilising the concept of the show based of No mouth of them being trapped that well, besides episode 1/2 the show itself barely addresses this instead opting everytime to have 1 on 1 therapy sessions rather than showing how awful it would be to be trapped or be unable to do basic things like swear or have sex and the effect that would have on the characters.
It's all done in the most basic tumblr pandering way where no one is allowed to be too awful at the risk of not being able to sell plushies of them, the whole thing feels very cynical. It's not awful or anything but the fact so many people are sucking it off proves pandering to online autism fanbases with "lore" and a shit ton of merch works

>>149898877
I said manga not anime adaptions of manga

>>149898732
I still agree it’s the oremise you braindead loser, I was saying you couldn’t read my post correctly because you think I somehow changed my mind on that. You are severely autistic, you have severe autism, you cannot change from that

>>149898308
this

>>149898861 (me)
Seriously, this show has a bunch of emotional moments and sad characters doing their sad character things
idk, it just feels like the writers want to insert their own ideals and depression into the show.
it kinda reminds me of Whisper and Tangle, since they both just fucking cry a lot, it's like they are trying to make people feel like it's actually good writing by making it real sad or whatever

>>149898890
>I don't hate circus but its clear the people obsessed with it haven't seen or read much media outside of cartoons
What an ironic thing to say considering the only difference between TADC and every modern "sitcom with pathos" is meme culture.

>>149898867
Once I saw Gooseworx saying that it wasn't going to be a DEEPEST LORE kind of show and that it was partly based on "I have no mouth and I must scream" I adjusted my expectations and have been thoroughly enjoying it for what it is. It's far from perfect, but it's pretty good and it has specific things its trying to do. If it pulls any of that off is yet to be seen, but I genuinely cannot imagine being as retarded about this show as some of the people in this thread.

>>149898888
Yeah youre pretty upset, you should quit replying since you can’t argue against my point.

>>149898889
>Cowboy Bebop being a big one.
Cowboy Bebop had a different structure and the ending was great for what the main character embodied, not to mention that it was a constant build up leading up to it.

>>149898894
You're not helping yourself by garbling every other word in such retarded sentences.

>>149898892
Then Girls last tour which had a lot of people praising the ending.

>>149898071
For added context:
https://youtu.be/41U78QP8nBk?si=3gooMj_UY1svuRYe
https://youtu.be/c8N72t7aScY?si=DxfAmCeAHr4XuLtz

The scene takes place shortly after Hal goes rogue and tries to kill Dave by locking him outside of the ship.

>>149898926
There wasn't constant build-up. There was a two-parter in the middle that set up Vicious and Julia and then the two-part ending. Most of the episodes were just random adventures with a beginning, middle, and end. TADC has been seeding potential trouble with Caine's glitches and by showing abstraction in the first episode.

>>149898934
Look, I don’t have a gif folder or a picture folder, I just type, you should really get a hobby

>>149898907
Nta but what's ironic about it? A lot of young people into nerd stuff like video games or cartoons have very little literacy.

>>149898910
Yeah, like I said before: when individual episodes like this have unsatisfactory endings, it reminds me that I am really just waiting for the ultimate conclusion of the show itself before I can make a final judgement over all. So much of tadc is just building to a climax it still hasn’t reached.

I’m having fun with the ride, but when I do praise it, I’m not trying to oversell it either. It’s just a youtube cartoon.

I hope people like >>149898890 don’t consider me one of the obsessed fans sucking the show off.

it's made by troons for troons.

>>149898890
>people want something simple that gets to the point
Not that I'd expect some nitpicky, essay writing retard to understand this.

>>149898751
>In kingers case literally saying "do you want to talk about it" Genuinely bad.
How so? That's actually a pretty realistic way for a concerned mentor to approach it.

>>149899001
>I don't have google image search
>g-get a hobby!
My hobby is dunking on nerds like you

>>149899001
Stop replying to bots

>>149899002
>I don't understand what's ironic about that
>A lot of young people into nerd stuff like video games or cartoons have very little literacy
The irony just keeps on coming

>This show is a really good example of why it's bad for a show to be made by animators and not writers. It's writing is uncanny, cringe, and just awful. It's has a very webcomic written by a high-schooler vibe. By far the worst thing is the dialogue.
I don't disagree but the problem is what you just described here also applies to 90% of modern writing in literally all media.

>>149898751
>>149899013
It wasn’t that line but it was that scene. I fucking audibly groaned when Kinger said “the way I see it, relationships are two sided”. It sucked

>>149898977
>There wasn't constant build-up.
For Spike himself there was build-up and his characterization was present in most of the random adventures.
>here was a two-parter in the middle that set up Vicious and Julia and then the two-part ending.
You forgot ballad of fallen angels. Also like I've mentioned CB has a well executed ending but plenty of shows that follow the same formula(which wasn't invented by anime and has been used in plenty of other western cartoons as well) fail at it.

Jax will abstract, but his abstracted form has so much pent up hate, rage and evil that it is able to escape containment. In his attempts to contain Jax, Caine is irreparably corrupted beyond the point of being able to self-restore. Pomni has to shoot Caine, and eventually Jax with a special weapon created by Kinger that is able to erase entities in the circus. Kinger's craziness in the light isn't because he's been in the circus for a long time and is going mad, it's because it's a psychological avatar gimmick that was always there. It's an attempt to keep Kinger placid and ignorant about the extent of his abilities and role in the circus's creation. The show ends with the characters free of Jax and Caine's tyranny, able to decide how they want to spend their lives in the circus, and with Kinger's weapon, the choice to die when or if any of them want to.

>>149899003
If you like the show thats 100% fine, for what its worth I think it's alright, a solid 5/6. There's just so many other better shows I feel deserve the attention more, I know thats unfair but its how I feel about it.
Just feels a bit insulting that stuff like this gets to explode while shows with more merit get left to cancellation rot

>>149899039
This is you

The plot if TADC is to sell merch through having superficial "I'm 12 and this is deep" levels of character development.
And to fund SMG4.

>>149899088
oh geez bro you posted an image on an imageboard?
get a hobby my guy

>>149899054
Can you explain yourself instead of acting like a condescending faggot?

>>149899086
>There's just so many other better shows I feel deserve the attention more
name 7

>>149899083
Caine is lying by the way when he says he doesn't have control over their minds. He does. He proves it repeatedly.

>>149897760
TADC and smiling frens are good
But i hate toby fox's artstyle, cause its just disturbing to me >:I

>>149899097
>care to explain yourself
Not really, no. This will be a good exercise in improving your reading comprehension.
You won't learn if I do it for you.

>I'm right behind you, aren't I
Kino...

>>149899086
>>149899100
>I like this show you like, but there’s a bunch of others I think are even better

Aw, sweet. An incoming rec post.

>>149899096
It’s amazing how fragile you are? Do you need a therapist?

>>149899115
What I get from your post is that you are retarded. Was that a good example of reading comprehension? In your 1st post you said compared TADC with sitcoms but the truth is that TADC has a very different audience then those sitcoms so your post makes 0 sense.

>>149896168 (OP)
I don't think it is bad to be honest, works well enough for me.

It's miles better than Hazbin, Helluva, or Gaslight, IMO.

Okay, seriously: What DOES the sudden (re?)appearance of Jax’s tail mean?

Is he devolving? Did he previously have a tail, then grew up emotionally some and lost it, and now he has a tail again because he keeps remembering old times?

Or was his memory false and he never had a tail, and the tail showing up is a sign he is going crazy?

Is Jax himself determining whether he has a tail or not, or does Caine decide?

Or are my theories so far shit and it’s something different?

>>149899155
your every enraged reply is the sweetest nectar
btdubs that first statement shouldn't have a question mark, you're not asking if it's amazing

>>149899162
>the genre of a work is determined by its target audience
Ahh yes, of course, how could I ever doubt your incredible media literacy and reading comprehension

You guys could at least make it harder to rip on you, put some fucking effort into your shitposts.

>>149899139
>>149899100
Jackie chan adventures 1
Jackie chan adventures 2
Jackie chan adventures 3
Jackie chan adventures 4
Boku no pico
Bible black
Battletoads

So what is Cain why does he think people NEED adventures to be fulfilled.

>>149899184
>>the genre of a work is determined by its target audience
Where have I said that? Are you seriously illiterate or just retarded? It seems you actually agree with me that the target audience is mostly teenagers and children so I don't get why you are so angry.

>>149899066
It's genuinely good advice for people that overanalyze their relationships. It's exactly what Ragatha needed to hear and you should honestly pocket that for when you're older and need to tell someone else that they need to just step back and take a breath.

>>149899090
>The plot if TADC is to sell merch through having superficial "I'm 12 and this is deep" levels of character development.
holy based trvth nvke

>>149899180
I genuinely believe that it was an animation/modeling error that wasn't caught until a couple of episodes into the series. By then it was too late to add his tail because fans would notice, so why not throw in a goof line about his tail in episode 5 then fix his model in episode 6 without ever bringing it up?

>>149899180
>Jax has a tail
>Ragatha Bugs Bunnys Jax’s gun
>Caine makes a health restoring butterfly

The characters have more control over their environment than they initially realized. They don’t actually need Caine. When Caine finally does lose his shit and starts making their lives a living Hell instead of a living Purgatory, they are going to discover they have some level of control to resist him.

>>149899212
>Where have I said that?
>>149899162
>In your 1st post you said compared TADC with sitcoms but the truth is that TADC has a very different audience then those sitcoms so your post makes 0 sense.

Really flexing that reading comprehension
You're so lost about the absolute basics of this discussion that you can't even follow what you yourself are saying

I could go back to zero and explain to you step by step how >I don't hate circus but its clear the people obsessed with it haven't seen or read much media outside of cartoons.
is a hilariously stupid thing to say and how the things you said were just shoveling more stupid onto the pile due to poor reading comprehension, but you probably still wouldn't get it

>>149899213
It’s bad writing anon, sorry, you’ll understand when you’ve experienced more than just cartoons

>>149899233
I did not bother to check. Does he have a tail at some point in an early ep?

>>149896182
Have a versatile life, no amount of reading and poaching other people’s work will make up for authenticity- if you haven’t lived you’ll never be a truly great writer, and that’s a rare breed in itself

>>149899180
Maybe your appearance (or part of it, at least) on that place is determined by your own self-reflection.
Maybe Jax used to be someone who dealt better with emotions and feelings, but, after losing some of the people he cared about, he started to distance himself from his old self, which lead to him forgetting parts of himself (represented by his tail, in this case).
After getting closer to Pomni, sharing a genuine adventure and heart-to-heart with her, he started to get closer to his old self, the self that cared, that felt, which made him recover a small part of himself.

>>149899209
Cain is the AI for a children's game. He's designed to provide entertainment and escapism for kids. He's not equipped to deal with adults so his attempts to cater to them are hamfisted and inappropriate.

>>149899212
He’s retarded anon, you should quit replying to him.

>>149898174
>the premise of the sitcom here is that they need to leave the circus.
No. The premise is that they CAN'T leave and how they're coping with that fact.

>>149899275
I'm also too lazy to check, but Pomni did tell Jax that she has never seen him with a tail so I assume he never had one since the pilot at least.

>>149897639
It’s called jealousy, most of /co/ is people who have ideas they’ve never acted on and now they’re mad at others who have, everyone’s a critic-

>>149899269
You're welcome to say it's bad writing as much as you want but it will always be good advice.

>>149899262
You really are fucking dumb. What does the post you've quoted have anything to do with genre? Gen z and gen alpha having low media literacy is not determined by genres but by actual statistics. Very few of them consume old media, especially books and classic cinema. Most of them just play video games.
>is a hilariously stupid thing to say
You truly are illiterate, my 1st post said "Nta". I'll quote it for you again, >>149899002

>>149899335
> You're welcome to say it's bad writing as much as you want
Okay, it’s bad writing

>>149899337
>Very few of them consume old media, especially books and classic cinema.
the funny part is whenever this does happen every once in a blue moon, people here start fuming with rage

>>149898751
The Kinder talk was fine, zoomble/gangrene was lame, like walking through pudding

>>149899356
And you're welcome to that opinion

>>149899286
>Jax used to be genuine friends with Ribbit, and didnt treat him like a toy
>he loses Ribbit, then is just an asshole to other people like Gangle
>Pomni shows up and Jax finds himself actually trying to be a friend again
>he is scared of this because of how bad it went the last time, literally pushes her away

My poor boi

Jax called Pomni "Pompom" and that made me feel all giddy inside

>>149899337
>Gen z and gen alpha having low media literacy is not determined by genres but by actual statistics
lmao god damn anon
please tell me english isn't your first language
>I wasn't that first post!
I am aware. You joined the reply chain. Did you think the originating post of the chain was irrelevant? Is that why you're so incredibly lost?

>I repeat: what is ironic about saying that people that like TADC haven't seen any non-cartoon media when it's the exact same thing as the largest television properties in history?
I dunno, anon, it's a mystery.

>>149896168 (OP)
>best show we've gotten in years
>some emotionally constipated incel: hurr durr the writing is uncanny
no u

>>149898026
Idk man, I just finished reading Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky and it was pretty good even though like half of it is an old Russian guy rambling about muh Christian morality and why the Orthodox Church is awesome

>>149899416
That's something I've noticed about Jax, he doesn't seem to really have derogative nicknames for Pomni.
He eagerly makes fun of the rest of the crew but doesn't really come at Pomni until he realized he was getting attached to her.

>>149897773
Man-made construct written by a guy who hated reading long paragraphs because he had undiagnosed adhd

>>149899405
>opinion
Fact*

>>149899413
Yeah, I don't quite like Jax being an asshole to everyone, but his backstory did endear himself a bit more to me.
Also, he is an important character, he gets things going on the story.

>>149899079
>For Spike himself there was build-up and his characterization was present in most of the random adventures.
How is this not true for TADC? Every episode has featured character growth of some kind.
>(which wasn't invented by anime and has been used in plenty of other western cartoons as well)
In the 80s and 90s? Not particularly.. Most cartoons barely had continuity, and especially not status quo-destroying endings. Nick pulled the plug on the Angry Beavers finale because they wanted to air reruns forever and didn't want a "this is it" acknowledgement.

Actually TADC is pretty good

>>149899100
Just sticking to /co/ stuff
>Wander over Yonder
>Venture Bros
>Primal (S1)
>Scavengers reign
>Moral Orel
>ATHF
>Metalocalypse
>Samurai Jack (S1-4 + first 3/4 eps of 5)
Could go on but all of these deserve even a 1/100 of the views that first one got

>>149899464
You know, a common side of autism is the inability to separate personal feelings from objective statements and taking disagreements as personal attacks.
It's okay to have your own opinion, and it's okay for other people to have their own opinions too.

how do I make a show that attracts the same type of audience as tadc

>>149899527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-JgG0ECp2U

>>149896168 (OP)
Yeah
Let's talk about our feelings bullshit gets lambasted in every medium even video games lmao

This image makes me sad knowing Jax threw it all away because he's a pussy

>>149899421
Holy fuck you have some huge problems.
>seen any non-cartoon media
That's a nice try to change the subject but that anon's post said that they "haven't seen or read MUCH media" so even if they've seen some sitcoms, Carl's point still stands true. Teenagers only consume some shallow media nothing more. Now provide proof for you claims. Name all the sitcoms similar to tadc and prove that the majority of tadc's audience is also interested in them.

>>149897502
So it's 9 minutes out of a 33 minute episode so what
>>149897629
What would you gain out of somehow convincing someone the show was terrible?

>>149899501
Most of these are popular what the fuck are you talking about dawg

Also I get the feeling you're only shilling for these shows because you perceive them as being unpopular. Like adventure time and gravity falls would suddenly be "underrated" on this board if people didn't shill them to hell and back

>>149899209
Caine is a computer program created and designed to make games for people to play. That’s it. That’s all he wants to do, that’s all he believes he can do. He might be correct.

Then some actual complex people get stuck in his game room. And they don’t want to play games all day every day, they want to go home and they want to live their lives. He doesn’t know how to deal with this. He’s just a babysitter, he’s not a prison warden. He is a master of ceremonies, he’s not a landlord. He’s definitely not a god.

If the characters were just passing through his gameroom, playing a game or two he threw at them, and saying “wow, that was kinda fun, thanks,” and then leaving, maybe coming back once in a while, he’d be doing a great job. But the characters are too stressed out about being eternally trapped in a video game to enjoy playing video games. So Caine cannot fulfill his purpose. And since he’s not a free will possessing person (or at least doesn’t think of himself as a person), his intended purpose is the only thing he has. So he is pushing to achieve his directive towards a breaking point.

>>149899516
Ya really can't admit that you're in the wrong, eh?

>>149898026
Objectively untrue, anything can be entertaining- a raccoon sh*tting in someone’s mouth is entertaining, doesn’t mean it’s witty or has depth

>>149899574
It's okay if you didn't like it.

>>149899484
>How is this not true for TADC? Every episode has featured character growth of some kind.
Idk but it just doesn't feel as well executed as in CB(I guess that's true because they are made for different audiences).
>In the 80s and 90s?
Nope the 00s and 10s when also a lot of anime were doing them.

>>149899516
You’re incredibly passive aggressive, it’s funny you’re so angry about people disagreeeing on how bad cartoon writing is

>>149899549
>That's a nice try to change the subject
He said, desperately trying to change the subject by clinging to a pointless distinction.
>PROVE TADC IS A SITCOM PROVE SITCOMS ARE POPULAR DO LOTS OF WORK TO COUNTER THE RAMBLINGS OF A RETARD
see pic

>>149898026
You are the reason why modern cartoons including the amazing digital circus are so mediocre
>>149899443
>>best show we've gotten in years
Lol arcane was better

>>149899066
My literal therapist tells me this to get me to stop abusing my partner, so I don’t think it’s that bad.

>>149899642
>arcane
league of legends was for fat sweaty esport jersey wearing asian kids and so was the show, fuck you.

>>149899549
>anon's post said that they "haven't seen or read MUCH media" so even if they've seen some sitcoms, Carl's point still stands true
The irony is a consequence of someone that clearly hasn't seen much non-cartoon media accusing people enjoying a sitcom, one of the most popular and widespread forms of non-cartoon, of the same.

I'm sorry, anon, you had plenty of time to learn how to read. I'm afraid you can't be fixed.

>>149897639
I don’t hate indie, I hate "indie"
>indie
one or a small group of artists making an animated project almost entirely by themselves, motivated by respect for the craft rather than money.
>"indie"
large ass company with a giant team of employees, merch and PR teams shilling their shitty plastic toys to minors. pretending theyre any different than le big evil billionaire corpos while simultaneously signing business deals with them

OP here. To all the people defending the show, would a competent writer ask for writing resources from his followers?

You have to admit this is a bad look.

>>149899642
Arcane was even more "characters being overemotional talking about their feelings" than TADC.

>>149899641
>desperately trying to change the subject by clinging to a pointless distinction.
The point of the post was that the fans of TADC lack media literacy. You are too braindead to notice that.
>no proof
So you agree with me and that guy. Good. If you can't back up your claim with some actual proof then you are just a seething retard.

>>149899625
No one is mad, Anon. I just don't put stock into this being an issue of media literacy and think it's more about perspective. It's alright if you don't like it

>>149899685
>Writer actually wants to improve instead of thinking they are god's gift to literature
I don't really see a problem with it

>>149896182
Take every piece of advice from /co/, and do the exact opposite

>>149899685
>Would a competent (anything) be actively seeking ways to improve?
Yes.

This show is a perfect example of how some people will just automatically hate anything popular. The more popular it is the more they hate it, they can't help themselves.

>>149899603
>Nope the 00s and 10s when also a lot of anime were doing them.
All right well it's pretty peculiar you'd say it wasn't invented by anime (possibly true) when anime was doing it the most in the 90s and western cartoons were not.

I'm probably really slow on the uptake but I think this episode sorta solidified for me that TADC is basically just about living with some sorta mental disability.And the whole idea of not being able to escape is that if you've got a broken body or mind you're sorta trapped in this defective product. There isn't a way out except death. So you're just waiting around until your mental facilities deteriorate until you no longer even resemble yourself anymore. It makes me wonder if the finale will even have them escape or if escaping the Circus is the same way you escape AM (I have no mouth) or escape your own mind. Suicide.

>>149899677
You are so dumb that you can't even notice how retarded your logic sounds. Children watching animated sitcoms=/=children watching non-animated sitcoms. Where is your logic? Please use that brain for once in your life.

>>149899720
I kindof get hating it around the time the pilot released because you literally could not go anywhere without seeing it in your face but as of the past year it's not been as bad aside from the fucking STUPID NIGGER ANONS who make 5 simultaniuous threads about it when an episode drops.
but otherwise it's not that annoying anywhere else on the internet.
some of these soft ass bitches don't remember what it was like during the peak horsefucker activity years.

>>149898892
>I said manga not anime adaptions of manga
NTA but who the fuck has time to read manga

>>149899684
seethe more, faggot

>>149897464
Eh, a lot of the humor is like "erm, well that just happened" and annoying overt references that autists will giggle about like the "figurine thing." Whenever something weird happens and it cuts to a character blankly staring into the screen as a reaction, a shudder of cringe shoots up my spine.

>>149899685
Anon, Self Improvement is an endless Journey not a destination. If you ever become content in your own skills and believe you're done learning you're doing a disservice to yourself and your craft.

>>149899740
woah, how did you know?

TADC is not good as an episodic comedy since the humor isn't that great.
It's not great a serialized drama since the story doesn't really go anywhere, and the characters suffers from semi-resetting every episode, and the general drama isn't particularly well written either.
It's stuck in this weird limbo state where it never gets truly good, but nothing about it is outright terrible either.
You could probably write some meta essay on how the show is like the circus itself.
It does however have good character designs, and decent voicework, which is really all you need to succeed on the internet these days.
People are fine just making up their own stories about the characters anyway.

>>149899742
This has changed from funny to sad.
I feel bad for your handler.

>>149898963
What would the parents of computing think upon seeing all the wonders that can now be done with computers? We have reached the point where we can ask an AI to write and sing for us without having programmed it for that beforehand.

>>149899735
>when anime was doing it the most in the 90s and western cartoons were not.
Yes but cartoons started doing them the following decade.

>>149896615
Doom Eternal has better writing, and I mean that entirely genuinely.

>>149899685
Yeah.

This is the reason so many now-famous 19th and 20th century writers would hang out in clubs with one another, to ask each other stuff like this. Their personal letters to each other are always asking shit like “Oh I do hope I can become better like my beloved hero [insert some formerly famous writer who is now relatively obscure by 21st century standards], is their some way for me to write more like them? I really want to get better at this.”

>>149899774
>no argument
>has to cope somewhat
Now that you've completely lost it, will you keep fishing for the last word like a sore loser?

>>149899720
Yeah... I admit I tend to dislike stuff that suddenly becomes too popular, but I do like this show.
I don't like Vivzie's stuff, though.

>>149896168 (OP)
Man crazy this show is so popular and has a massive fan base, they should have you write it anon.

>>149899761
Reading a manga is way faster than watching anime though. It takes like 5 minutes to read an average manga chapter and anime tends to draw that stuff out into a 22 minute episode. Even anime that are relatively brisk in their pacing tend to take longer to watch than it does to read. And if you're watching subbed then you don't even get the perk of watching passively while you multitask (anymore than reading would be anyway.)

>>149899009
are anons troons

>>149899808
>t.

>>149899720
based, i guess fortnite and naruto are also masterpieces for being that popular

>>149899755
Oh I don't mean that kind of angry, Im talking about the people who become enraged at the idea of other people liking it and feel compelled to make threads like this.

>>149899786
If Moore's law is anything to go by, they'd be blown away.
Even Moore thought his own law was bullshit and couldn't believe that he was right.
If anything, they're just going to be disappointed that space travel and teleportation didn't pan out.

>>149899843
>proving my point
If you are not in the mood to run away then answer >>149899742. How does children watching an animated sitcom translate to the same children also watching other sitcoms and consuming other media in general? I am genuinely curious about how your logic works.

>>149899707
> not knowing any reliable sources
> improvement being of concern in the middle of a live show
> asking fans

>>149899887
>How does children watching an animated sitcom translate to the same children also watching other sitcoms and consuming other media in general?
It doesn't.
None of that has anything to do with why that post is ironic.
You are quite spectacularly stupid.

>>149899853
Naruto was fine for most of its existence, and I've never played fortnight so I can't comment on its quality.

>>149899815
My writing would be so much better

>>149899880
>and feel compelled to make threads like this.
What if op just dislikes the show? Is he not allowed to make a thread about that? He also got some good reply about writing tips, this thread could have discussed writing in western animation in general and how it can improve.

>>149899800
Was I the only one who felt like every single character had the same le quirky toby fox writing? And what I mean by that is that toby didn't even try to signal personality and character for each one. It just felt like him talking and not the characters.

>>149899923
Hi OP
Your criticisms are meaningless and if someone wants to be a good writer they should do the exact opposite of everything you say.

You're allowed to make a dumb thread and we're allowed to call you dumb.

>>149899720
>This show is a perfect example of how some people will just automatically love anything popular. The more popular it is the more they love it, they can't help themselves.
FTFY.

>>149899786
I think they would feel very bad about it. A lot of futuristic science fiction dystopias have the message “Well at least a machine can never make Art. You have to have a Soul for that, and that’s the thing that makes humanity great!” Or they have robots that do have souls and are basically people, but the entire story is about the horrors of those robots being enslaved.

I think I have heard about a few short scifi stories where there’s a writer/artist and he’s also terrified that a machine comes along and just starts doing his job for him and making him obsolete, and it turns out that sucks for him. But I’m having trouble thinking of actual examples of that one.

My point is, the guys who created computers as we know them today were around when those stories were being written to reflect the societal fears of what this kind of technology could mean. They probably wouldn’t like the world as it is now. Hell, some of them are maybe in nursing homes actively disliking the present day.

>>149899790
Right, well Goose seems to be specifically drawing from anime and not any specific western cartoon in this regard. The ending credits are evocative of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPemZMS5QOU

>>149899898
>It doesn't.
So you agree with me that most of the TADC fans are children/teenagers with very little media literacy ? Good then I don't know why you are having this dumb meltdown.

>>149899970
>I'm just going to ignore that I've been acting like a huge retard this whole time and hope everyone else does too
No such luck, I'm afraid.
Maybe get your handler to help you? That is their job.

>>149899740
>tranny makes a series about killing yourself and how youre hopeless to market to a bunch of children

The jokes write themselves

>>149899942
I am not op thoughever and there have been hundreds of threads about criticizing writing in western media and there will be hundreds more.
>if someone wants to be a good writer they should do the exact opposite of everything you say.
Uhm, little bro the writing advice was given by numerous people itt

>>149899786
Babbage would be baffled that the schema he built to take human error out of the equation is now being used to simulate human error/hallucination.

>>149896168 (OP)
>no you cannot enjoy something made by people that did not waste most of their live and money to suck a teacher dick in order to get a piece of paper.
Fuck off, the amateur writing is part of the charm

>>149899740
>There isn't a way out except death.

I don’t think that’s what they’re going for.

Like, not a single character is saying “Boy, I sure would like to make myself abstract(die) faster so that I can stop being here since that’s the only way out of me existing.” And if they did, I don’t think overall the direction of the show would support them, I think they’d be presented as that being a thing they need to get over.

I think Pomni and Zooble and King in this episode have all had positions that sorta more reflect “Yeah, it sucks we’re stuck in this circus(life/existence) and that we are stuck having to be ourselves. But we can only learn to accept that, to try our best every day, and to make the most of it.” And I think the show presents their takes as being the message.

>>149899982
>n-no y-you are the retard
Sorry but it doesn't work like that. You have been trying your hardest to avoid addressing my point since you are afraid and it's really hilarious. Your very first point is so retarded since it's implying that all the people watching TADC are the general sitcom audience when in reality most of those people are too old to care about an animated show like TADC.

>>149900094
>Your very first point is so retarded since it's implying that all the people watching TADC are the general sitcom audience
Again, no.
Honestly telling you your reading comprehension sucks is getting old at this point. You're boring me.

>>149900036
You have to be over 18 to post here

>>149899964
What if she is drawing from atla?

>>149896168 (OP)
The writing is better than most “writer shows” airing now.

>>149900110
>coping this hard
Come on now. Aren't you a little embarrassed? This whole thread has seen how much of a dumb coward you are. Running away from every lost argument.

So you want a down to earth show that’s swarming with robots?

>>149900065
Abstracting isn't "dying". Abstracting is more like...having a psychotic break. Basically a point of no return where you cease to have any of your mental facilities. I moreso think the way out "is a chance to die as "yourself"

>>149896168 (OP)
The writing is so bad I skip to only Kinger scenes. Can someone just make a kinger compilation for every new ep so I don't have to do all the legwork myself.

>>149899642
>Lol arcane was better
>grimdark tranny shit

>>149900065
And yeah I'm not saying the lesson will be. "Kill yourself". So much as I think any premise of "living in a shitty situation is still better than dying." will be the overall takeaway.

>>149900137
>han most “writer shows” airing now.
There aren't many of those

>>149900253
And TADC is better.

>>149900199
the writing for Kinger isn't any good.
It's like sifting through diarrhea to find small chunks of solid shit

>>149900265
CDAT is better

>>149900173
yes

>>149899939
>Was I the only one who felt like every single character had the same le quirky toby fox writing?
Yes. I don't think Toby is some god writer but characters like Susie, Ralsei, Spamton, Lancer, etc. are all very different from each other in a way that is basically entirely inarguably. Trying to claim that Tenna has the same personality as Gerson is retarded

>>149896168 (OP)
The amazing digital circus has what I would call "Among Us" writing.

>>149900273
It's tolerable in a sea of melodrama

>>149900290
Am I the only one who loved Superjail but hated this? I thought it was funny for a bunch of murderrapist insane criminals to get tortured in ridiculous over the top ways while even the protagonists are insane evil people so if they goy their asses beat it was also funny. Robotomy just felt like torture porn because the main characters are the only ones who don't deserve it.

>>149900187
We can agree to disagree on this, but I’ve seen alzheimer’s patients that have met those permanent irreparable mental deteriorations. And, emotionally to their families, it’s treated almost about the same as dying anyway, just with the option of having more work if you want to stick by their side or if you’d rather stick them in a home and just wait for them to die for realsies because being around that is seriously draining.

Since TADC doesn’t have the option of waiting for a for realsies death, Caine just sticks the abstractions in a basement. Which you could look at as a mental facility where the abstractions are doomed to finally stop existing whenever the program they’re running on has its plug pulled. But personally I see the basement as more of an afterlife like Hell. I think abstractions are considered the very closest thing that the TADC characters can get to death, which is why I see it acting as a metaphor of death itself, with the circus being a metaphor for life. This is why the surviving characters have to have funerals for the abstracted. The abstracted have removed themselves from the circus and therefore from the playing characters’ lives, and those playing characters then need to process and grieve that loss. We don’t do that when Gramma moves to the old people home.

>>149896182
Live like a early modern European aristocrat

>>149896182
I'm gonna cut the bullshit and tell you the truth: ignore all other advice in this thread and go drop acid or do psychedelics in general. Go for a walk, queue up an audiobook or two in the genre you enjoy, and you'll come back with 50 different interesting ideas and a fully developed world.

>>149900124
That show had linear storytelling and arcs, it wasn't introduction-random adventures-everything's destroyed.

I really like Zooble and Gangle's dymanic but I wish we got to see them interact with the others besides just Jax and Caine. Have either of them spent any time or had a proper conversation yet with Pomni or Kinger?

>>149900460
If I were a clean-clarence and too much of a pussy to do drugs, would you have a recommendation for an alternative to the psychadelics. I'm sure this is a stupid question since I can't imagine what such a thing would be but I'm gonna ask anyway

>>149896182
Don't be afraid to steal ideas, but don't steal as much from other movies or TV shows or video games, it's okay to steal some from those, but steal more from music whenever you can, music is the one artistic medium that you can be a total geekazoid about and nobody will care. You could be equally as hackneyed and unoriginal as someone who just copied from their favorite video games, but if you just do that with music instead, particularly older music, people will think you're "cultured"

>>149896597
It was a meme very recently.

>>149898013
And people ragged on that and found the finale to be a giant letdown, so maybe not the best example

>>149896168 (OP)
I don't know anon, I find it amusing and I want to see what happens next. What's your standard for internet cartoons?

>OP rants like a jealous bitch about writing
>"toby fox is carried by porn!" "doom eternal's writing is better!"
>"effort posts!" "consooming!"
>same reaction avatarfags that get no (You)s but need to make their shitty takes known
>OP posting twitter caps because everyone dunked on him

Sure reeks of jealous bitch in here. Just goes to show that 4chan never knows what it's talking about. Here's a random reaction image because I'm sure OP still finds joy in being a parasocial pseud.

Find bitches.

>>149899501
Nothing really wrong with your recs, but all of those shows are over and have little to discuss. TADC is new, still airing, and unique enough to warrant some threads. Not like we don't have the occasional thread about Venture Bros or Moral Orel from time to time either.

>>149896168 (OP)
I would love to see Lucid Kinger talk down to Jax like a dad scolding his young son, and no-sell his bullshit cartoon masking

>>149900187
This got me thinking:

Is it better to “die on your own terms” and “as yourself” before you get old, or is it better to live as long as possible even though you’re body is gonna give out on you and you might get dementia?

>>149901288
I mean that wouldn't really help. He clearly knows it's just a coping mechanism but disassociating is all he has at this point. You would need to try and address the root problem, i.e. everything is fucked, your freinds are dead, and it may in part be your fault.

>>149896611
refer to >>149896366

>>149901288
The bathroom scene showed that if he's not an aloof asshole, he'll abstract. It's a choice between being mean and uncaring to others or dying because you care too much.

>>149901498
>It's a choice between being mean and uncaring to others or dying because you care too much.
Sounds like a cop-out, since being mean to them means that he still cares.
If you didn't care, you'd have no reason to be mean.
Just because you have no reason to be nice doesn't mean you'd have to be mean either.

>>149896168 (OP)
>This show is a really good example of why it's bad for a show to be made by animators and not writers

Ah, so we finally admit the thing that is holding back modern cartoons from finding success are the writers.

>>149901598
He's not just being mean. He's actively dehumanizing everyone including himself, so he can avoid thinking about the situation. If they're all just cartoon characters than nothing matters, but if they're all people then they have real problems that have to be confronted and he can't cope with that anymore.

>>149901618
>writers are LE STUPID!!!
yet you trannies jerk off IHNMAIS despite that being made by a writer (and troonworx ripping it off poorly)

>>149901690
That still doesn't hold up because he goes so much out of his way to be mean to them, that it stop being not caring, and instead being caring but in a negative way.
If he didn't care about them, he would barely interact with them at all.

>>149901693
uh ohhhh melty
Looks like I upset a stupid writer.

>>149901693
As someone with friends who are writers, yes, they are very very stupid, all of them, they also do the least amount of work on any collaborative effort they're a part of while still demanding all the credit, they're only just barely any more respectable than producers

>>149896168 (OP)
this show is just another therapy session for the creator, im good.

>>149896182
Consume a lot of media so you can make a lot of epic references like with the Daisy song.

>>149901734
You're missing the point, its not just about being mean to them, its about playing out his "character" and by extension dragging the others along with him.

>>149901843
Which si still caring. Not caring would be to not play along at all.

>>149901867
But then he wouldn't be a "character" he'd be a person. His coping mechanism only works if everyone "plays along".

>>149896168 (OP)
If you wanna see a truly badly-written show go watch Murder Drones

>>149901934
The only thing keeping people from making threads about how fucking god awful Murder Drones is would be the Dronefags who are some of the most insufferable faggots on this accursed board. I'd rather argue with The Loud House pedos than deal with Dronefags and their endless collection of imaginary omnipresent shitposter boogeyman.

>>149901928
Then it has nothing to do with him caring or not, and just him having to pretend to be a different person.
Which still wouldn't mean he'd have to be a dick.
Jax is a dick because he either wants to be one, or because he's an idiot who thinks that's the only way to to not get attached to anyone again.

whats so bad about the writing

>>149896168 (OP)
As long as I liked it, I don't really care.

>>149901993
>or because he's an idiot who thinks that's the only way to to not get attached to anyone again.
This is his character. yes

>>149901993
How are you this dense

>>149902049
Because my brain isn't soft mush like yours.

>>149901498
Jax doesn’t care any more or less than other characters like Pomni, Kinger, or Ragatha. He just uses being a dick as his unhealthy coping mechanism whereas the others have other copes. He can learn to cope healthier but he hasnt tried.

>>149902015
They don't like the way the characters talk to each other, because they can't understand that much of the character history and relationships are implied because they happened before Pomni showed up.

>>149899720
"Obscure properties no one has heard of" fans can't stop winning.

It portrays a realistic panic attack

>>149901993
>because he's an idiot who thinks that's the only way to to not get attached to anyone again
Yes, but not only that it helps reinforce his character mentality

>>149902144
Unironically this.
No one shits up your threads.
No outside retards try to co-opt it for their own agenda.
No shitty reboots or squeals that shit up everything.

>>149902077
Cerebral arteriosclerosis is a serious condition anon

>>149902084
>character history and relationships are implied because they happened before Pomni showed up.
episode 5 implies none of the characters even talked to each other about their previous lives.

>>149896168 (OP)
I mean this as respectfully as I can be, have you considered that maybe you're not the target audience (age, demographic, etc.) and that may have a considerable influence on why you think the writing is "cringe"?

>>149896168 (OP)
It has better writing than most shows on the air, if not all of them. The dialogue is fine. You just don't like it because it isn't focused on character problems you relate to.

If they can remember basically everything else about their previous life, what does them not knowing their names even bring to the table?
Just to have more nonsense words in the mix?

>>149902327
Maybe remembering their names is the key to getting out somehow

>>149898513
>kill yourself
Can't come up with an actul rebuttal huh?

>>149898049
>Literally every story has morals and themes anon
He did not say they don't anon.

>>149902262
not even nooseworx knows the demographic. they said this show is for weird 20 year olds which would be 4chan demographic. yet its pretty universally enjoyed by tweens and ipad babies.

>>149897995
They barely get any views and are now being actively demonetized for the fake crap it is.

>>149902238
And they still have history despite that.

This will send Jax over the edge

>>149902389
All the bleeps make it under-18-friendly, they knew what they were doing there.

>>149901977
Uh huh. And guy was just an elaborate hoax.

>>149897987
There will obviously be more seasons come on now

>>149902526
Thank you for proving the point without hesitation.

Fuck you all this shows been progressively getting better and better with each passing episode

>>149902608
Not even a dronefag, cocksucker. Just don't lie and say that schizos don't exist.
I dare you to say perispammer was just a boogieman

>>149902657
Who said that spammers don't exist? The statement was that dronefags react to any negative remarks about their terrible show by insisting that it must be one of their boogeymen, because no one else on the entire fucking internet could watch their poorly written pile of bullshit and come away with the opinion that it's not especially good, except for one specific guy who they are so certain is behind every single negative post.

>>149896597
This is how I know media literacy is dead. If you can't seriously answer this question it means you didn't actually watch the show or your IQ is on the low end of the curve.

>>149896168 (OP)
Even though I thought Jax's monologue was ridiculously transparent to the point I was waiting for Pomni to call him out on how obvious a defense mechanism it was, the episode still made me laugh or smile every time it was trying to be funny.

Helluva Boss stopped being funny and the writing is retarded so I stopped liking it. TADC is still funny so I give it a pass.

>>149896168 (OP)
>This show is a really good example of why it's bad for a show to be made by animators and not writers.
Said the Union trying to break into Youtube....

>>149902721
Eh, it's understandable to me if someone forgets something that happened all the way at the beginning of the episode and especially understandable for most young people to simply not know the reference.

>>149902699
You seem upset.

>>149898174
You're fucking autistic. You don't like character drama because you're autistic, that's the actual problem here.

Yes, they're trapped in the circus. But there's also no way out. The POINT of the show is exploring HOW THEY DEAL WITH THAT. Holy fuck, get it through your spergy fucking skull.

>>149902868
(You) responded to the truth with seething whataboutism, my guy.

>>149902327
They’re divorced from two key aspects of their own identity: their actual bodies, and their names. When you strip those away, a person becomes reduced to their relationships with the world. So when posed with the question “Who are you irl?” Gangle can’t answer “I’m Emily.” (or whatever her irl name is) She can only say “I’m a former manager at McDonalds” And that’s sad.

In a show about exploring existentialism and personal identity, taking away the characters’ original names fits very well.

Oh and, in-universe, it’s probably just a game mechanic to get them to pick a username.

>>149896168 (OP)
Hello Lily Orchard.

>>149897835
>>149899280
This. Boring lives make for boring stories.

>>149903257
Nah, there's plenty of people who can spin an interesting yarn about a mundane story of their life, while there's plenty of people who live interesting lives, but listening to them talk about it is more boring than watching paint dry.

>>149899939
No, other people felt that way too. Don't let someone gaslight you.