Thread 149907637

'Member goth times?
'Member 2000 - 2011 or so?

>>149907637 (OP)
Goths were actually bigger IRL in the 90s than the 00s, it's kind of weird that they were more prominent in 00s shows.

>>149907637 (OP)
rebeltaxi, is that you?

>>149907637 (OP)
I miss goths when they didn't have tattoos & piercings

>>149907672
Goth culture went downhill after punks invaded their group.

>>149907672
Case of the creators putting in something they saw when they were younger even though it was already kind of outdated.

>>149907777
This. Like with school lockers for grade schoolers.

>>149907637 (OP)
>Member
Shut the fuck up.

Who that gal, though?
Kinda looks alien. But also, kinda nice...

>>149907746
Didn't Goth start off as a subsubculture of punk?

>>149907672
I always thought of goth as an 80s and 90s thing mostly, though there were a few at my high school in the 2000s

>>149907637 (OP)
no

>>149907734
when was that?

I don't care for goths. Never have.

>>149907637 (OP)
Everything after 2012 got more and more soulless and shitty until hitting critical mass in 2016. The world really did end on december 21 2012 and we are in the epilogue/in hell

>>149907637 (OP)
>>149907746

Whenever I see a cute goth girl these days, she's always with this hideous obese neckbeard who puts no effort into his appearance. The neckbeard male wears a black T-shirt and plaid pajama pants. Thinking the pajama pants are the same thing as plaid punk pants, no they aren't. I see the black T-shirt and pajama pants look all the time with middle school wannabee thugs.

A bar near me used to have "Industrial nights" around 2006 - 2010 or so. Where they would play industrial music and goths would come out to dance. There are still a few bars that have goth nights. There used to be more dedicated goth bars in the US, but they just kind of all disappeared or were converted to more standard bars, and most only have a goth night once per month or so.

>>149911484
Shit taste

The most underrated goth girl

>>149912426
>A bar near me used to have "Industrial nights" around 2006 - 2010 or so. Where they would play industrial music and goths would come out to dance. There are still a few bars that have goth nights.
I went to one a few months back and got no ones number and they barely talked to each other or to me :^(

I like goths
>>149911484
You're an idiot

>>149907637 (OP)
Yeah, I remember them... I remember people TALKING about them online, but I never actually saw one in real life, ever. I don't care about goths one way or the other.
Now, scene kids/emo kids, on the other hand...

>>149907746
goths are a subculture of punk

>>149912426
Honestly I feel like it's weird people include Jinx in Goth girl discussions. She feels way more like a Scene Kid than a goth to me.

>>149912426
>Using the inferior Hex Girls designs
Sad!

>>149907637 (OP)
Since a few years, "goth" has been the most normified alt. I can't take it seriously anymore.

>>149914809
I try to laugh at things that hurt me if they're silly, that way they hurt me less, but I would lie if I said I don't suffer for not having a QT goth GF to love and care for, which was a stupid idea when I was 18, and stupider at 25, and even more stupid at 30, and I'm about to be 31. With each passing year it's stupider as I grow older, uglier, not fatter but I seem to be stuck beaing as fat as I'll always be, not blacker either but being black was already a huge obstacle because a cute gothy gal would look bad with a chubby nigga by her side even if he had style. Style would help though, but of course I never had the confidence to dress for the part, not even when it would have made sense in terms of age. So, it's like being bitter about not having won the lottery after not even having bought a ticket.
And the key to end this suffering is just to stop wishing for it. One step and that's it, right?
Fuck, sounds so easy...
With each passing year this idea is stupider, it was impossible to begin with, so why do I do this to myself?
And don't let me get started on redheads.
Chubby and/or dorky dark lads don't magically become muscular and handsome at 13, and then go out with their childhood friend who happened to be a cute redhead. I was smart enough to know that was a cruel joke, but not smart enough to not let cartoons and media put that idea into my mind, and so I embraced it as a fantasy.

Man, I need real problems...
Honestly, I feel so incredibly stupid.

>>149907746
Idiot
>>149908447
Yeah

>>149909766
80s & 90s & every decade before. Even during ancient times, the goths didn't mark & pierced themselves like doodleniggers.

>>149912426
Yeah those goths love EBM/industrial music. That being said, the tattoos & piercings makes them look like freaks from freakshow. It's now so hard to find a goth gf that didn't ruin herself with skin doodles & skin metal objects. Sad.

Goth died when (like most subcultures) it boiled down to a fashion choice for normalfags. Goth's identity involves a lot of kickback against the mainstream, but unlike punk where it's often aggressive for aggression's sake, you would see goths talking about theories or books they read that would make you question whatever they're bucking at the moment. Reading and developing real nuanced opinions is well beyond the normalfag's capabilities, so goth never stood any chance of growing, which is ironic since they'd probably assess such a cynical outcome long before it happened. Anyway, I really want to bury my face in a goth chick's ass.

>>149907734
They always had those but its so overdone it just looks bad now and is more punk than goth.

>>149907777
It's kind of the reason why we are getting a small resurrection of goths. Even if it's all just E-girl shit that doesn't respect the culture other then making everything Halloween and acting gloomy.

>>149911575
The globalists wanted the world to end in 2012 to get their rocks off about the Mayan prophecy. They ALWAYS do shit like this to cause trauma and cultural decline at the start of a new decade.

>>149916439
Every man here is having girl problems. Even 10/10 chads have to deal with the shallowness and back stabbing psycho bitches that pick up to fuck. The best course you can do for yourself is to create art or some other project to reflect your desires. No need to beat yourself up over this.

>>149916128
Can't say shit about it though, otherwise you'll just get called a gate keeping fascist for daring to point out the absurdity of claiming to be part of a culture when you aren't actually engaged with any identifiable part of that culture at all

>>149916128
>>149918389
Troons have completely infested goth culture. Ignoring everything it stands for other then liking the girls in it and as a way to express their self loathing and hatred of the world.

Goth girls showing off their pale, bare butts
[apoiler]https://files.catbox.moe/zv9xye.jpg[/spoiler]

>>149907637 (OP)
Goths are pretty much now only solo seen in latino culture.

>>149918102
I disagree. I never saw any of them with tatts & piercings until the 2000s arrived. Something happened to them that I didn't like. I saw photos of goths in the 80s & not a single one had tatts or piercings. The entire tatts & piercings phenomenon is exclusive 2000s trend.

Plot twist: the world DID end in 2012, just not the way you think. The end of Aquarius is upon us.

>>149919110
I see these Latino "Edgars" around town. They have a bowl cut, and wear plaid pajama pants and black T-Shirts. I don't even call them goths, I call them Edgars. They really don't have much to do with goth subculture at all. They don't listen to goth music. And it's obvious they don't care much about fashion if they think plaid pajama pants are acceptable to wear in public.

>>149919189
I'm being autistic and take piercings as even earrings. But yes, something did happen to girls. Probably their ever screaming need for attention and to continuously outdo other girls to the point where they are such a mess to look at they look like they belong in a car wreck. Because you are not allowed to tell a girl what you actually like. And what screams more attention then "I dress all black, am evil and have a fascination with death. But I will still act slutty and playful for the camera."

Those nose rings I see everywhere now are the worst offenders.

>>149919032
Fuck, Marry, Kill

Cartoon Lydia looks like she'd give the best head, while Creepy Susie probably would make the best mother, while Comic Wednesday would try & kill me in my sleep.

>>149919276
Those are just latino wiggers. Anyone who wears gold necklaces & pajama pants in public are borderline wangstas. I bet they have TikTok brainrot too. Too bad we can't beat up anyone who acts like a wigger in public.

>>149919301
It's worst now. Almost all goths I have seen have at least 1 tattoo or 1 piercing. And worst part is even normalfags are getting those things, & it's starting too annoy me. I'm getting tattoo & piercing fatigue. I just want things to be beautiful again.

>>149918102
>The best course you can do for yourself is to create art or some other project to reflect your desires. No need to beat yourself up over this
/co some times says the exact right thing.

>>149920863
Sex.
Sex with her, now!

>>149907672
Classic goths were a thing but weren't mainstream. Mall goths were absolutely a big thing in the 2000s, especially the first half, and mixed with mall punk, emo, etc. chicks. They were all kind of a nebulous thing but they existed in large numbers during my high school years. I even knew a few. The whole "mall goth girl who likes Invader Zim and Neil Gaimen and shit" definitely was real. I think a good example comparing cartoons is Malaria from Billy & Mandy vs. Sam from Danny Phantom. Malaria was a Classic Goth, Sam was a 2000s Mall Goth.

Goth now is just an aesthetic divorced from even the shallow culture that the 2000s goths had. It's just a costume like all other forms of subculture have been turned into without anything that made the subcultures a thing.

>>149916102
Yeah, you are.

>>149911484
Me neither, bro.

Goths started in the 1990s and died in the mid 00s as their subculture became commodified and sold to the public.

>>149924396
>Goths started in the 1990s
Imagine being this new to subculture.

>>149921724
Yeah, but I actually have been working on my own project despite the overwhelming storm I am going through. Things are half way done. I would suggest starting on smaller project, that way you don't feel overwhelmed with a first big one then get depressed if it falls through to the point of never wanting to try again.

>>149924396
>1990s
Lol
Lmao even.

>>149924411
>to the subculture
His interaction with the culture is probably purely secondhand misrepresentations either mocking or fetishizing the aesthetic.

>>149925603
Yeah, to hell with that.

Goths are cute.

>>149919032
Why are goth butts so aesthetically pleasing?

>>149907637 (OP)
She looks familiar

What is she from

>>149924411
>bauhaus
My father used to shill shit like that and Faust to me all the time growing up. The most I conceeded on was Radiohead and Depeche Mode.

>>149907637 (OP)
Yeah, I member. They always smelled putrid.

>>149929735
>a troon draw this
Still funny

>>149929521
Love this guy's style.

>>149929735
kek, this pic always cracks me up

>>149929735
A friend of mine wished me happy holidays last 9/11. Its so hilarious become "never forget uwu" to practically dancing on its ashes now
https://youtu.be/iULK57aVi6o?si=IJNjNy6a2GcVHqpD

>>149916439
>31
You are probably going to want to date younger like a girl 18-22 if you want a goth gf. Any goth woman in their 30s not married is likely going to ruin your life. Theres a reason no man wants them. Its very rare a decent woman doesn't get bagged young.

>>149929799
NTA but im late 20's and do you think that advice still holds water for someone who doesn't necessarily need a goth gf?

>>149928208
>>149929521
>Implying Birch is goth

They still have them

Hell, this was from laat week's newest Supergirl.

>>149930191
She's a mallgoth.

>>149907637 (OP)
Remember Mos from City monsters and Manson from Matt's Monsters?

>>149930252
So much sexo.

>>149922849
I'm fairly certain it's female, anon

>>149920863
How would Bedalia react to something straigtforward?

>Amalia, i want to have sexual intercourse of the vaginal variety, with you
Does she have room to misinterpret it?

>>149924411
We want non-Bauhaus goths.

>>149931719
Based

>>149931719
how about joy division

>>149931807
Something less gay.

If shes into Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath, Tenacious D or KISS im game.

If she says My Chemical Romance im gonna throw rocks

>>149931863
good thing mcr isn't goth but the rest isn't either

>>149931912
She just needs to look the part.

Walks in the cemetery optional. She can listen to Katy Perry all i care

>>149931972
fair enough

>>149931972
Do actually want a Goth or just a bitch in a black shirt

>>149923698
>The whole "mall goth girl who likes Invader Zim and Neil Gaimen and shit" definitely was real.
Oh yeah, I knew a bunch of them in the 2000s. Had some mutual friends so I sometimes hung out with that group.

>>149918389
"culture" is a spook in general and you're a retarded faggot for putting any value in it

>>149932004
Bitcj in a black shirt IS goth.
Goth we accept. Not some ugly freaks.

Not black shirt...black choker, black corset, black fishnets and black lipstick

>>149932025
Cause mall goths are usually only normal goths...conventionately attractive and stuff.
Innthenend...in thrngirh bowl...they arenthe goths that win then mainstream audience and thats thengith we want.not trad goths

>>149932004
Dudes literally just want a bitch in a black shirt. Which desu is understandable because most goth bitches are otherwise insufferable

>>149932144

Most IRL "alt" women are insufferable unless you're a prog and/or are willing to put up with prog bullshit because Jello Biafra stunlocked Punk into being fully leftist and that branched out into the rest of alternative culture.

>>149932144
Yup we want all the goth pros without the goth cons.
And let the culture die. Hopefully goths girls wont know what The Cure is.

>>149932220
No, plenty of women are fine. You've just been brainwashed by /pol/ into being latently gay. You should probably go back there if all you want to do is complain about girls. You're more likely to find other faggots there to sympathize with you.

>>149932236
Literally was my first post in the thread, my dude. I love women, but you still need to point out the flaws and faults despite that.
Either that or date an unironic neo-nazi skinhead.

>>149932285
>first post in the thread is schizo-tier rambling about leftists and dragging your insufferable faggot politics into a discussion about cartoon goth girls
I think what you need to do is fucking kill yourself instead.

>>149932313
>*joins in on conversation, which is talking about real goth women*
>"NO NOT LIKE THAT. DONT DO THAT!"

Boo fucking Hoo, shouldn't bring up these topics if you can't take actual opinions beyond the bare bones shit.

>>149932236
>All women are queens!
>Muh /pol/!
please shut the fuck up.

>>149932220
i got confused reading this ngl i thought you meant the genre prog

>>149932596
I should've just said "leftist", so that's fair.

>>149932505
This honestly. Simp mentality is bad, but truthfully at the same time, women aren't outright bad, just flawed. Usually most of the time if they get into a relationship and really like the guy, they'll morph their opinions to be closer to him, you just have to get in and avoid politics and social culture discussions for a good while.

>>149932220
I met a goth girl once in college and I tried hitting on her. I gave up when she was reading a book about open relationships. Also dodged a bullet when I learned that her father was also a rich asshole who was also extremely left leaning because I worked for him. Busted my ass also just to be left out to dry and get fucked over anyway and fuckers wonder why young people don't try to work as hard anymore.

>>149932655
You dodged a massive bullet there anon. What sucks for me is that I'm a fatfag along with being a goth/punk girl guy. Which is an entire new can of worms of mental illness.

>>149932635
Most of the reasons why everyone is fed up with women is because when women do act horrible men are not allowed to speak out or do anything against it and just have to take it so it just creates more bad blood. Men are not even allowed to just walk away anymore. Women do this to toughen up and shit test their men but society won't allow the man to have a response unless its more simping which women hate but won't say no to either.

>>149932701
Chubby chasers seem to be more and more common now a days. I seen worse but I have seen better with what a person likes.

>>149932789
>Most of the reasons why everyone is fed up with women is because when women do act horrible men are not allowed to speak out or do anything against it and just have to take it so it just creates more bad blood
My uncle's men's self help group literally says that recognizing behavioral patterns is not masculine and that if a woman does the same shitty things to you repeatedly, you need to mostly let it go

Also yeah, we're more prevelant now, but I think that has to do with the rise in 'tism among men along with a more sexually open society.

how come almost no one ever asks for other subcultures like grunge or bloghouse?

>>149933087
Grunge was crimge and died when Kurt Cobain shoot his head off.
Bloghouse sounds like some.funnt german shit and.no one probably.knows whats that.

People know goth

>>149932596
>>149932635

-what is your opinion on jews?
>Eww smelly and have long noses.
>What do you think about trannies?
>Even bigger eww, creepy and scary

As long as she responds like that you can put your seed in her

>>149933136
i guess so
really the only other subculture i can think of like this is emo but that is more niche now

>>149933216
Emo and Punk are really the only other subcultures people fuck with

>>149933216
I havent seen an emo in about a decade.
Maube thenfad isnfinally over and they all cut their wrist

>>149932857
>Goth girl wearing visually striking outfit
>Guy wearing t-shirt and jeans
This highlights the disparity here, and also jow men's clothing is SHIT.

>>149933228
thinking about it indie too
ironically with shit like midwest emo and some post-punk

>>149933509
It's more intimidating to go goth as a guy because a lot of goth is basically genderbending. Bro could at least look into an mesh undershirt or something tho.

>>149933808
>genderbending
That's still honestly better than what men are able to wear most of the time.

>>149933808
It's your typical "It's cute and quirky when a girl does it but weird and creepy when a guy does it". If you want to go goth as a guy you have to be subtle and maybe wear two things related to goth culture unless you can pull off the emo boy band look perfectly.

>>149932789
MeToo was the catalyst that ruined the dating scene. So I propose solution to fix it: SBWA

Start
Beating
Women
Again

>>149933808
>>149934493
Cause normal people see male goths as nerd faggots.and automatically register thrm as failures/pray.

Sending male goths to hospitals is a pasttime.

>>149934495
People dont hit women anymore? What part of the world is that stupid?

Bitchslap is the best martial argument

>>149932505
>Anyone who calls me a faggot for ranting like a faggot about how all women are leftists are simps
You can kill yourself too. You faggots really set a fucking speed record for how quickly you became more obnoxious than woke faggots. Just shut the fuck up and be normal and stop dragging your fucking politics into every discussion, or neck yourself.

>>149934550
In Muslim countries they have taskforces that cracks down on simps & bad foid behavior. Women who act out of line get whipped or beatened with sticks. Simps get rounded & arrested.

>>149934581
Thank you for proving my point that you just need to shut the fuck up. The adults are talking.

>>149932236
>women are fine
With all trashy tatts & piercings that they're are getting, I disagree. They are NOT fine.

>>149934662
>in a Goth girl thread bitching about tattoos and piercings
lol lmao

Women need to get raped more often.

>>149933216
Since this year, I've been seeing a few emo-like in the middle school in which I teach, none in my class, tho.
It's getting a bit relevant again.

>>149934683
Look at some goths from the 80s. Hardly any of them that shit & they were still gith. The tatts & piercings is an exclusively 2000s trend that has only gotten worst thanks to the smartphones.

Im trying to design a goth character as a protagonist for a comic, along with some other goths in the story.
What kind of character writing, cliches,plot, design ect tropes and details should I focus on and what to avoid as much as possible?

>>149934632
>the adults
"babby's first right-wing discourse and declaration of resentment for wamen" is not adult behavior

>>149934581
It will cease when number of woke people will dwindle.
We wont stop until victory

>>149934604
See? Something good do comenfrom islam.
Other than dedtroying Islael that is

>>149934683
Yeah we want non piercing non tattoo goth chicks. Keep the goth elements.ti the clothes and make up

>>149934954
At this rate you are quite literally feeding the fires of woke by becoming much worse and more politic-brained than they are. A major part of what caused the backlash against woke, which I was all in favor for, was that they simply could not shut the fuck up about their politics even for five seconds. They took every excuse to bring it up fucking everywhere. Well, I am telling you right now that you've progressed to that same stage that Woke reached, except you are if anything even more politics-brained and monomaniacal and obsessed. It is one hundred percent guaranteed to fuck you over by this point.

>>149935023
Nah, right wing people dont end up.dead by their own hand or other people that hate their politocs.
Left people do, as they have a lot more mental illness on their side.

We are winning by outliving them

>>149935023
>It's you chuds who are annoying, not us troons!
I thought I told you to shut up and the adults are talking.

>>149933808
Or some combat boots at the bare minimum.

>>149935100
every time

>>149935100
>MOM LOOK I POSTED THE COMIC
I know that you think this substitutes for actual thinking, but I have to inform you that it doesn't. That comic doesn't even fucking apply to this situation. I was outright glad about the backlash to woke and how they seem to have shut the fuck up lately. But it is undeniable by now that the people who by far, by MILES, bring up politics into every situation are the right-wingers. It's absolutely going to fuck you and make room for a woke backlash. Frankly by this point the backlash is probably already baked in. But the more you shriek about trannies and how much you hate women, apropos of nothing, the worse you faggots are going to make it. I'd like to reach an equilibrium where everyone shuts the fuck up for a little bit and politics stops monopolizing people's thoughts rather than constant woke/anti-woke back and forth.

>>149935189
>>149935258
Not an argument
seethe

>>149935258
OK, but I'm going to rape you now.

>>149935189
>>149935258
Imagine being this unhinged you HAVE to bring your woke crusade into a goth girl thread.

>>149935333
What are those long gloves without fingers called?

>>149935333
Siging with people who think they are a gender theyre not and multilate their genitals is never the right side.

>>149935294
>>149935298
>>149935333
Alright then, faggots, you were warned. Have fun. You're going to be reeing and pissing yourselves in, oh, I'll give it a year, year and a half tops, but what can be done? I'll just hope that once you faggots get scoured away, the woke backlash will not be as bad as the original woke, and eventually politics will recede and we can have normal conversations about non-political topics again.

>>149932004
This advice might come a couple of decades late, but what you really want is to go after lapsed goths.
Goths were always a shitty judgemental subculture filled with drama, best outcome was the girls that figured out "fuck this shit, I'm out, all I care about is the fashion anyway"

>>149935384
>Alright then, faggots, you were warned.
Oh nooooo we were WARNED guys, now the consequences will never be the same

>>149935384
>Anon is still having a melty about politics in a goth girl thread
Should have taken my advice to shut up and let the adults talk.

>>149935407
>very publicaly act like a retard
>"you're going to make people hate you because you can't stop acting like a retard"
>NO THERE WILL NEVER BE CONSEQUENCES

>>149935364
Probably fingerless something.

>>149935384
uh oh melty

>>149935435
>>149935407
>>149935462
samefag

>>149935449
>>149935474
Anon needs to stop being so uptight, he is NEVER going to get a goth girl acting like that!

>>149935474
I'm not as invested in this shit as you anon.

>>149934741
I'll give you tattoos, those did become more prevalent. But piercings? Bitch, you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about if you think 80s and 90s goths used no piercings.

>>149935333
Which type of goth is Mavis?

>>149935523
Vampires will always be goth adjacent no matter who or what personality they are.

>>149935523
Casual goth dusting more than authentically goth. Goth-flavored La Croix

>>149935560
Which of these are the most and least likely candidates to be accepted into your average goth groups?

>>149935258
You're 100% correct, keep making them seethe

Been reading about goth stuff lately, what a freaky coincidence, seems like theres some massive drama over petty bullshit going everywhere I go, has this always been a thing? People sizing each other up for how much more authentic they are or what makes a goth goth?

What makes a good goth girl

>>149935815
>has this always been a thing? People sizing each other up for how much more authentic they are or what makes a goth goth?

Yup, that's goth in a nutshell

>>149935815
It's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I mean goth as a phenomenon is close to 50 years old, at this point. It's matured as a subculture and a fashion and dispersed wildly.

>>149935815
It's just much needed gate keeping. People trying to swarm their way in the goth community because they see hot women in black or want to be the hot women in black without understanding a single thing about what is goth, other than Halloween or acting moody.

>>149935820
There are all kinds of goths but the major ones are a fascination with the supernatural, a respect and appreciation for outcasts and celebrating life through death.

>>149935896
>It's just much needed gate keeping.
What do I tell the gate keeper to show me a subculturally acceptable path to rimming a fat goth booty?

>>149931807
Not goth, just very miserable bongs.

>>149935963
>very miserable bongs
What's next, an especially wet drop of water in an ocean?

>>149935934
Namedrop a few bands that were signed under Cleopatra records

>>149934530
All in all, men aren't allowed to do anything fun.

>>149933808
>as a guy because a lot of goth is basically genderbending
Why, just put on some black clothing that doesnt make you look like you came from a pride parade, maybe less lipstick than usual and a non faggy hairstyle.

>>149929594
You're dad is based, you're a fag

>>149935963
meh close enough
>>149929594
isn't faust krautrock

If anyones interested in some Goth comics I came across this archive. Happy reading.
https://www.gothiccomics.com/index.php

post more 2000s goths

I like goth guys

>>149936739
Post one

This isn't a thread about guys.

>>149937439
It is for guys though.

>>149936457
2000s girls in general are the second hottest girls by decade after 1970s girls.

Would a purely Goth cartoon do well these days? And not just something you could show on Nick but like maybe an indie webseries.

>>149938477
In today's current of cartoons? Much doubt. They'll make the goth girl a coalburner. All the leftists & SJWs don't allow cartoon white girls to be with cartoon white guys. Lord forbid a goth girl prefers goth guys.

>>149911575
You know, it's interesting, I've seen many people saying the same, and I did feel the same naturally as well, being a 90's dude and all. Regarding the internet for example, I feel like after 2013 or so it just noticeably became shitty, but I don't know why exactly.

>>149940221
The spread of social media means everyone is exposed to the same stuff which means subcultures don't really develop because nobody's seeking out (or is able to find) their own corners of society.

>>149935508
In the 80s & 90s, the most peircings goths had were earrings & maybe even a belly button peircing. I never saw any of them with rose rings & those ear lobes piercings. Again I blame the 2000s.

>>149935560
You're missing a few
>Scary Goth
>Clown Goth

>>149935560
You're missing a few
>Scary Goth
>Clown Goth
>Punk Goth
>Rave Goth

>>149940422
I hear people say that, but is that really true? Like what would mechanically prevent a subculture from arising on twitter? Couldn't it just be a group of people following their own little arcane hashtags or whatever?

>>149941540
Subcultures were a very local thing, they arose due to proximity in formative years (i.e. middle and high school). You hear some punk music, you like it, you seek out people around you who like punk music, this is how you get a local punk scene (and why things like music genres were varied depending on where they were from). But now you have access to the same stuff everyone else does and your interactions with others is primarily through social media so local scenes and groups don't develop, it's all just one big amorphous blob. Subculture has been turned into an aesthetic with none of the underlying culture behind it. Goth or punk or even country is just a clothing style you wear but the community that surrounds it is gone.

>>149941645
Yeah, but people "had access to the same stuff everyone else does" way before this. Like even what you're describing isn't exactly local. People generally didn't like "local" punk bands, they got into bands with completely national distribution. Like, this totally predated the internet, and was around way before 2012. So what about the rise of social media, specifically, changed things?

Oh also, a big part of it is that the concept of calling people poseurs has become verboeten. There was a sort of gatekeeping that existed in old subcultures that relied on the idea that you were sincere in your desire to be part of it. The whole "Oh, you like [band]? Name 5 songs and they can't be hits," thing. You're not allowed to be like that though, someone wants to wear a Thrasher shirt without having ever skated or at least being peripherally involved with skateboard culture? Well you can't tell them to fuck off. Zoomers as a whole tend to engage with things on a shallow level, hence their obsession with aesthetics, and decry the kind of sincerity and cultural protection that Gen X and even millennials had. You can see it on here with lots of things, like waifufags who are "fans" of games only because they collect waifus like Pokemon but don't actually engage with the game/comic/etc. the characters are from.

>>149941713
The internet and social media means you can just consume things a la carte which means you don't need to engage in any level of real community or anything outside of what you don't want. It leads to atomization which leads to subcultures dying because the shared experiences that create them aren't there.

Samefagging but it should be said that it's not JUST social media, it's on demand everything. You used to have to buy albums if you wanted to hear specific songs, now you just go onto Spotify or Youtube and listen only to that song and don't have to engage with an entire album anymore or go to shows or shit.

You can apply it to things like porn too. Remember whe porn stars were a thing? That died out because everyone just goes onto porntube sites, watches whatever they want and leaves. It's just a general atomization of culture that's happened due to widespread adoption of social media, smartphones, on demand everything and such.

>>149908447
other way around

This goes a bit into why subcultures die.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

>>149907672
Well naturally the young people grow up, then become older and make the cartoons and portray their childhood, so cartoons are showing the past.

>>149941859
punk has been around for longer than goth

>>149941717
Huh. Pretty lucid take on the matter.

>>149928331
Maybe it’s the contrast between their dark clothes and pale skin.

>>149912426
>industrial music
This shit isn't associated with the goth subculture anymore. Now it's just carmeldansen sped up x200 on a tiktok posted by quirky ironic teens pretending they know what the 2000s were like

>>149943468
Put it like this: selling out used to be a mark of shame. Now it's "getting that bag" and you're an asshole if you don't want to see that cool indie band using their songs to shill energy drinks or vacuum cleaners.

>>149942477
Rather chipper considering all the shit she goes through.

>>149936739
Thank you!

>>149907637 (OP)
The pearl clutching over coomers fetishizing goth girls has always been hilarious to me
>It's disrespecting goth culture!
Goth has been dead for well over a decade. I'd argue it died even before Peter Steele did. It was "replaced" by shit like emo and the weird shambling corpse of "scene" which are still barely holding on.

Also, yeah, coomers "disrespect" the cultures or groups or archetypes they fetishize, Goth isn't uniquely being targeted and victimized here, that's just how coomer shit works

>>149929794
i don't want that t-shirt... I NEED TO HAVE THAT T-SHIRT!!!!!

>>149932701
>fatfag along with being a goth/punk girl guy
>entire new can of worms of mental illness.

According to my sister and some girls I've talked to, the bar for women in terms of choosing men is very low, and idk if that's true or false because I have to focus on my self-esteem and college grades before even thinking of having a relationship with someone.

>>149944838
>goth

>>149935560
Ooh, thanks for this.

>>149936370
Didn't see this comic on their links. It's a good window to how the US goth scene was like from the early '00s to late '00s.
https://www.clashingblack.com/alas.html
There's also this book. I got it for cheap in the early '00s. A good crash course of the goth subculture from the influences to the origins. A little out of date (2002), but the most pure take on the scene before edge thots, emo kids, scene kids, and that sort of dumb bullshit came to be poorly linked to the subculture.
https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/gavin-baddeley/pdf-goth-chic-a-connoisseurs-guide-to-dark-culture-download/
https://archive.org/details/gothchicconnoiss0000badd
What are your favourite goth related (and adjacent genres) albums?
I like trad goth, deathrock, horror punk, psychobilly, dark cabaret, gothic country, darkwave, coldwave, and some ethereal wave. I don't like neoclassical darkwave or neofolk much. I like some industrial / rivet friendly stuff, mostly from electro industrial, ebm, and futurepop albums. Not much into industrial rock and metal fusion genres.

>>149945490
Great shit, putting this on my backlog.

>>149945490
>What are your favourite goth related (and adjacent genres) albums?
Pretty new to all of this so Ill be keeping my mouth shut until I have given a good listen to most notable bands I come across.

>>149932236
>>149932313
You guys always say this when it's a take like this but when someone goes full-on "WOMEN ARE PROPERTY TND 1488" the board stays completely silent.

>>149945490
>What are your favourite goth related (and adjacent genres) albums?
i like pornography as for related genres mezzanine if it counts

>>149932857
>My uncle's men's self help group literally says that recognizing behavioral patterns is not masculine and that if a woman does the same shitty things to you repeatedly, you need to mostly let it go
Holy FUCK this is gay as fuck.
>just keep taking their shit, you ARE a man, right????
Fuck this, I'd rather be alone forever at this point than deal with some cunt's bullshit for a crumb of affection.

>>149944581
Post selfie

>>149944075
Marilyn Manson is what i imagine goths enjoy.
What, Voiltaire is mire "edgar alan poe-like"?

>>149944838
This is a whiny emo.
He looks like hes.gonna hang himself

>>149948902
>Marilyn Manson is what i imagine goths enjoy.
Mallgoths? Definitely. Tradgoths? They'd nail you to a St. Peter's cross for even suggesting that

>>149948948
Mallgors are goths.
No one wants "trad goths" you smell and are.fuckin weird. You are no longer considered goths on account on not being fappable.
Go away, nobody cares about your opinion, and were taking your goth card away, while mallgoths can shake their pale tits to Marilyn Manson to our pleasure

>>149944838
How come i watched so much Xiaolin Showdown yet i blocked most of it out my mind.

>>149907637 (OP)
Had a crush on the only goth girl in school in 2006-2007 but then she graduated and I never saw her again, never even learned her name

>>149907637 (OP)
>>149907637 (OP)
Hey zoom zooms don't be like the millenial incels here pining over the goth girls they never had
Just get out of your house and go to a goth show or a thing goths show up to
This month I'm going to an 80s goth and dark wave dance party at a club, Rocky Horror, the Renaissance Fair, a show and I guarantee goth girls will be at each of them

The incels you see here pining over girls had their chances in the 00s they were too busy calling them ugly, dykes or making fun of them.
Meanwhile my faggot ass was working at a concert venue and I probably banged more goth girls than some of you will ever see in the wild because I was trying to be the bestest boy.

Its 2025 and my now tranny ass will be out having fun, making small talk with millenial and zoomer goth girls in between bands while having a smoke.

Meanwhile dudes on here will be like
>there are no goth girls anymore
>theyre all chores
>they are all ugly or dykes!
Same shit different day
>>149907672
Yup Jhonen Vasquez comes to mind as a bridge
>>149948902
Marilyn Manson is from the industrial scene Jack Off Jill has more legit crossover appeal
>>149945490
Ive been listening to a lot of pre 2010 industrial rock, aggrotech and shit like that

>>149949054
This. If you're on 4Chan and complaining that women don't like you. The first thing you need to do is get off 4chan.

Goth is not
>scene
>punk
>emo
>y2k emo
>2017 emo
>mall goth
>lolita
>gothic lolita
>girls with dyed hair
>girls who likes rock and wear black
>girls with black lipstick
>Sadako or Kayako
>OF whores
>Vampire Larpers
>chicks who are into spiritual shenanigans

>>149949701
>not Ramona Flowers wannabes

>>149949701
I'd put my dick in a lot of those and that's kind of the end of the discussion as far as I'm concerned.

>>149949552
Im not as ure about that pretty much all of the goth and alt people I knew during the 00s were channers or adjacent.
Pretty much all of them I know now are former channels, and when I was one of the most well laid kids in my high school I was using the site.

However yes this incel shit you find her now and the incel mentality is absolute pussy repellent
>>149948902
Manson is way more 90s industrial scene than goth, Jack Off Jill did get cross appeal for goths though

My hot take is the best and easiest goth girls to pick up also went to ska shows

I wanna kiss Lucy, but she's 8.

>>149949811
>philistine caveman thinks his opinion is worth something
Guess we should be bringing monkeys to art museums and caring for what they have to say huh?!

>>149949836
Enough fan art has her aged up. Kind of sad how plane she is but that is the best we got in terms of modern cartoon goths.

>>149949701
>Goth is not punk
Goth started as an offshoot of British punk and genres like deathrock are as equally punk as they are equally goth.

>>149949701
>>girls who likes rock and wear black
goth rock?

>>149949862
that's a very horrible comparison, women exist to be impregnated, not to be art exhibits. them looking good serves only 1 purpose, to make them look more fuckable.

>>149949984
That looks disgusting. I'll never understand the infatuation these people have with obese asses and completely off-model "art".

>>149950061
This more your speed?

>>149950029
You misunderstood his post. It takes more than wearing black and liking rock to be goth.

>>149950117
ah my bad

>>149948911
He’s a rivethead. Industrial music plays when he’s on screen

>>149916439
Sounds to me like you're using a bunch of excuses to not get into a real relationship with realistic expectations. As long as you cling to a fantasy you can excuse not trying with a real woman.
Sounds like that to me because it's what I do.

>>149950689
Since when industrial is considered music?

But who's the goth on OP?

They deserve more than the occasional appearance in Scooby-Doo.
>Witch's Ghost
>Legend of the Vampire
>one What's New episode
>two Mystery Incorporated episodes
>one Guess Who episode
All over 26 years.

>>149949701
Goth is an offshoot of punk aesthetically.

>>149907720
I will never forget that he cried about fumbling a gothic girl while playing toy story on a stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZLdXkPVIo

>>149935560
"Baby bat" is pretty clearly a mall goth, which is its own thing at this point. There's a lot of overlap but those aren't synonyms. Also, carnival goth is missing. There's a few others I can think of that are a lot more niche, were short-lived trends, or are subtypes- pastel goth, ice goth, etc

>>149953251
Not just aesthetically. There are goth bands that sound and look punk.

>>149931712
she'd invert your cock

>>149932857
>if a woman does the same shitty things to you repeatedly, you need to mostly let it go
They're half right. Forget it, cut them off, and go about your life.

>>149932236
>>149934581
All women are leftists.

>>149949054
I think that's a lot easier said than done, as an absolute retard who doesn't know how to look anything up it took me years to find anything even adjacent to alternative tastes, And then there's the issue of being the lone weirdo who's already bad at socializing....

>>149955316
>All women are leftists
My wife isn't.
My sister in law (wife of my older bro) also isn't.
But my mom is, and so is the GF of my younger brother. So, half of them are?

>>149955316
This is wrong, most women start leftist but get influenced by their husbands to shift more rightward as they get older.

>>149936110
It's really their own fault for being so bitch made.

What ever happened to Christian goths?

>>149917579
>I want a goth girl
>But she can't have tattoos or piercings
>Or smoke
>And she should smile more
>Her wardrobe could use some more colours, too
>I want her to expand her music taste to stuff like Taytay

>>149957304
They ascended into a greater, lower lifeform.

>>149957304
Those are called Catholics.

>>149957304
They split into smaller groups and would occupy most of Europe for a time, the most major establishments of them being Ostrogothic Kingdom and Visigothic Kingdom.

Black clothes =/= Goth
For the last time.

>>149957463
>I want a goth gf
>she cannot be fat
>she cannot have tattoos or piercings
>she cannot smoke
>she cannot be into witchcraft
FIFY

>>149955316
Only the most brainwashed ones are leftists. Most women are neutral & will eventually side with whatever side their boyfriends are in.

>>149957677
>Amalasuintha drawn as a modern goth girl but a regal version of that

Black Sabbath inspired goth

>>149957463
>And she should smile more
Does this happen in America. I never even heard of this shit until 2016-2018.

>>149950747
since the 80s

>>149958696
She can be intonwitchxraft, but yeah she cant do the other stuff

>>149956802
Ew.

>>149958696
>>149961023
The witchcraft I'll allow if she can prove she actually knows her stuff about esoterica and isn't just a witchtokker talking vaguely about crystals and chakras

>>149957087
When did this happen?

>>149957677
>we don't live in an alternate timeline where the goths took advantage of the eastern roman empire's weakness and established total gothic dominance over the mediterranean

>>149962669
Never would have been possible because Justinian was always going to want to reconquer/reunite with the west. Maybe if Amalasuintha and her son aren't overthrown and killed and they continue remaining pseudo-vassals to the ERE or something crazy happens like Theodora dying and Justinian marrying Amalasuintha. Even then, they weren't going to dislodge the Franks from Gaul.

>>149962787
>>149962799
What are you even doing?

>>149962787
>>149962799
>>149962807
You're a furry and a homo.
Nothing wrong with being gay, but you should be expected for the furry thing.

>>149962734
There was only one chance after the battle of Adrianople where they could've conquered Byzantium

>>149962868
>you should be expected for the furry thing
NTA but i read that and thought "what if Anonymous was called OWOnymous"

>>149962787
>>149962799
>>149962807
Bubsy?