Thread 149919129

Valiant just launched their new reader-friendly line of comics this week with Bloodshot, part of the Valiant Beyond initiative, taking the near-immortal, nanite-powered weapon and pitting him against vampires powered by a variant of his own blood. But the celebration of a new line has hit a serious fumble, at least online, thanks to allegations of “transphobic” content in the issue.

While comic writer Zoe Tunnell wasn’t the first to point out the dicey dialogue, a skeet on BlueSky gained a ton of traction on Friday afternoon, after she posted the following:

Said Tunnell, who has written Blade Maidens for Dark Horse and the Godzilla Valentine’s Day Special for IDW, among other books, “I pride myself on my professionalism in comics. I don’t talk s**t about books I don’t enjoy. I am happy when folks get gigs even if I wish I landed them. So when I say the transphobic bulls**t in the new BLOODSHOT #1 comic is disgusting and should have never made it to print. Shameful shit

In the panels included, it details how, in the book, the Yakuza’s connection to the government promotes a “nuero-marketing lobby to normalize blood consumption. And that’s messing with the minds of the younger ones. They sell fake blood as a trendy drink.”

Fine so far, but the next panel shows Bloodshot killing someone with “B-S,” aka the Bloodshot nanite-derivative, with the following narration: “There are kids who want to be bitten to become vampires because their favorite influencer says they are one. And parents who force their children into that irreversible change… just to feel modern… and believing that they’ll be thankful for it when they grow up.”

As Tunnell did, so did multiple other posters on BlueSky interpret the narration as an explicit mapping onto anti-trans messaging, that kids want to become trans because of influencers, and parents are forcing kids to be trans — neither of which is factually accurate, in any way.

The rest of the issue, among other details, posits that vampires have moved to the “poles” to live in six months of darkness each year, and have become handy working in space since they don’t need to breathe. In addition, the book introduces “Negative Class” vampires who, “in a desperate act, drink reptile blood… and their cellular pattern is reversed due to cold blood.” Then they can only live in sunlight and never close their eyes. At least in the rest of the first issue (the series is running four issues), other than the above referenced panel, the idea that children are becoming “vampires” against their will isn’t revisited.

However, the damage is likely already done. Haunted Girl co-writer Ethan Sacks was more explicit, adding, “Horrific. There’s no way to read this as anything but bigotry, particularly with ‘irreversible change’ bolded in the caption. So many of us creators and readers of comics love the ideals, as far removed as they sometimes feel from real life, of superheroes who fight oppression. Not contribute to it.”

Bloodshot #1 is written by Argentinian writer Mauro Mantella, who previously worked with Valiant on Bloodshot Unleashed: Reloaded. While not specifically referencing the panel in question, writer Deniz Camp, who wrote Bloodshot: Unleashed and the first issue of Reloaded before Mantella took over (due to Camp having other commitments) posted on X, saying, “Bloodshot would hate transphobes and throw himself in front of a hail of bullets to protect a trans kid without hesitation. Just FYI.”

Alien Books and writer Mauro Mantella sincerely apologize for the harm caused by the phrasing in Bloodshot #1. While the story takes place in a fictional world of vampires and cults, we understand that a specific line of dialogue has been read as alluding to real-world issues, specifically, the discrimination faced by trans people.

That was never the intention. The original line was written by an Argentinian creator and was unfortunately a case of nuance being lost in translation. We fully recognize that intent does not erase impact, especially when dealing with subject matter that affects real lives and communities.

We are taking the following steps immediately:

The dialogue in question will be updated for all digital and collected editions to better reflect the intended fictional context.

Going forward, all scripts will undergo a more intense review by our proof readers as part of our editorial process to ensure clearer, more responsible storytelling.

We appreciate the feedback from readers, creators, and industry peers who brought this to our attention. We take this seriously and are committed to learning from it.

Alien Books values inclusion, empathy, and creative responsibility. We will do better.

>>149919129 (OP)
Under fire for speaking the truth. Sad.

Woke is dead so we're picking up Bloodshot in singles and trades now in support of this based storyline.
>The dialogue in question will be updated for all digital and collected editions to better reflect the intended fictional context.
Alright, false alarm. They're bending the knee. We are NOT picking up Bloodshot.

Trannies are really going to force us to get rid them

>>149919173
How can they speak the truth when vampires aren't real?

All these words because a few trannies on alt-twitter were whining.

Talk about inflating an issue.

>>149919256
Based retard

>generic "influencer bad" message
>this is about transgenderism!!!

>>149919129 (OP)
Why do they identify with vampires?

>>149919129 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHA eat shit. I hope more people get fired and their comics ruined and their reputations destroyed for the sake of defending the honor of trannies.
If you're in the industry right now it's because you bent the knee already.
>after reading it
Lol what clowns. Theyre offended because theyre getting called out for grooming. Because monsters in fiction are avatars for anti social types in real life. These people literally are vampires.

>>149919256
In real life we call them pedophiles

>>149919317
Because they prey on children and after stealing that child's life the child grows up to be one of them.

>>149919129 (OP)
>when they grow up
Uhhh, don't vampires stay the same age as when they were bitten like tmhe loli from interview with a vampire?

>>149919129 (OP)
The dated Twilight reference is even more disgusting

>>149919129 (OP)
This thread was made yesterday, when I pointed out it was calling out trend chasing no one could argue it and instead the janny replied one more time and then deleted the thread.

Mauro Mantella regularly posts/reposts Anti-Trans stuff on his twitter, this was 100% intentional on his part and the editorial team let it through without question.

>>149919129 (OP)
>instead of ignoring it twittards are going to make it even more clear to normies that they know trooning out is a creepy grooming process done on the internet
>implying this won't just make more people hate trannies and look into these things
These retards are telling on themselves, normies already hate you and think you're pedos. Crying about a comic spelling it out and trying to silence it is just going to make more people think you shouldn't be within 100 feet of a school.

>>149919740
Based.

>>149919740
He had that retarded anti-Musk shit on his shitty Superman story and is accepted by his local clique.

Sounds like a desperate attempt to cover their ass and backpedal.

>>149919129 (OP)
>tranny tumblr pfp

ignored. comic probably based.

>>149919129 (OP)
That comic page is hilariously blunt and it's so obvious what the writer is talking about. Its accurate of course and Valiant should just tell these idiots to stop supporting child abuse and leave it at that.

Jon Del Arroz thread

>>149920016
This but also the page is kind of cringe, don't want politics shoehorned into my comics

All overt politics in media is bad.
the subtler the political messaging is, the better.

>bluesky
please skin yourself op and skin that tranny

Why are troons speedrunning getting their rights taken away from them after fight so long for getting them?

>>149920488
Mental illness.

>>149919129 (OP)
>I don't talk shit about books I don't enjoy
>Immediately does that
good to know I don't need to take a liar at their word then.

>>149920488
People aren't afraid of them anymore.

>>149920488
>Why are bigots speedrunning to take away people’s rights away now that they control all three branches of government and SCOTUS with supermajority gave Trump immunity from prosecution, as if they’re drunk with power or something

Do Valiant comics even sell these days?

>>149920577
Vote harder next time then retard.
Funny how your complaint is that you are on the losing side aka the minority of popular opinion.
Still winning that culture war though I bet?

>>149920577
> :( Oh no I can't push my fetish onto children as easily anymore woe is me
You faggots are the reason we're going to have fucking ID-based Internet profiles one day. Thanks faggots.

>>149920596
Yes, why should anyone care about the government now actively taking rights away from people?

>>149920640
Okay parrot.
Keep spouting the same tired horse shit that lost you an election. I'm sure it will win you over some people to vote for Kamala again in 2028.

>>149919129 (OP)
I thought Valiant had shuttered for being entirely superfluous, last thing needed is more capeshit.
No way do they call it a 'Skeet' c'mon now

>>149920671

They're an imprint of IDW now. Or at least IDW publishes them.

>>149920668
They're your rights too you impossible boob

>>149920688
Im not trying to cut off my dick idiot. So no, I'm not losing any rights.

>>149920687
Damn, that is down bad. IDW is an IP landfill

>>149920702
If you think trooning out is the only change being made you know nothing at all and shouldn't waste time pretending to have an opinion on something you know nothing about.

>>149920704

Apparently its just because they're both under Penguin.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/idw-to-co-publish-valiant-entertainment-alien-books/

The source appears to be:
Comic Book Club (comicbookclublive.com)
Author is Alex Zalben.

The cropped panels seem kind of cringy but who knows maybe there's some context missing. As far as I can tell this is just some edgelord comic. Does Valiant even produce any decent comics anymore? I remember enjoying Archer and Armstrong for a while but losing interest over time. This is probably the most I've ever heard of this Bloodshot series.

>See blood sucking demons
>Think of trannies
lol

>>149920720
>said the tripfag
k. Anyway have fun for the next 8 years. Nothing is changing bro.

>>149920730
There's always a chance its like that Thing comic that triggered the right a while back where in the full context the things the Mutant was saying was intentionally cringey in an effort to make Thing angry.

>>149920767
I accept your concession.

You will never pass. kys

>>149920790
>I haven't changed your mind
>Making me the victor

>>149920833
Your mind isn't my job to change, you either care about your rights or you don't.
Good luck.

>>149920849
>Rights that don't affect me in the slighest.
Again. Not illegal. Not homeless. Not interested in being around kids or wanting my genitals cut off.
If that are rights you are afraid of losing I think you should reconsider some life decisions.

When are they launching their "Help I got cancelled" Kickstarter campaign?

>>149920870
It starts with things you don't care about and you're a fool if you think it stops there. If you think being a corposlave sounds super rad, keep turning a blind eye and by all means keep your empathy close to your chest.
Freedom means all of us, not just me and not just when it's convenient.
Go to church or something man.

>>149920789
Alright let's all take a look at the actual comic and see if there's anything worthwhile beyond cropped panels for an outrage news cycle.

Skipped a little advertising blurb at the start.

Had to resize this for the upload limit.

>>149919129 (OP)
Someone says it's transphobic!

Hmmm, nope, no fucks given here. I don't care if you feel it's transphobic, I only care if it's a good comic. So far what I have read hear in this thread, it actually sounds like its worth reading.

So far this is a good comic. please keep going.

>>149921060
I'm disappointed that the fat guy didn't cut anything incredibly sturdy with the katana. Then it really would have been BS.

Here's the page where the panels are cropped from. I'll keep dump though so we have the full context of this issue.

*dumping

>>149921156
Not gonna lie that's a interesting take, reptile blood vampires.

>>149919129 (OP)
You did this same thread yesterday

>>149921296
>>149921317

Heh.

>>149921317
I approve of this page!

>>149920577
this feels like it's missing a bit of the context on how well trump's "kamala is for they/them" performed in swing states. People hate this shit, man

>>149919129 (OP)
>no one reads your comics
>the only time you're noticed is when you do something wrong
why the hell is anyone even trying to be a comic artist now

>>149919280
>All these words because a few trannies on alt-twitter were whining.
>Talk about inflating an issue.
Most comic controversies of the last ten years has been about 50 people on Twitter who don't even read comics complaining. Bonus mention: dumb shit like variant cover controversies.

>>149921373
Attention whoring with creativity is the newest thing anon.
Don't even need a good idea. In fact, having a good idea is too comfy for people who wanna disagree. Have bad ideas that go against the grain.
Look at Vivziepop or Gooseworx. They do shit no one wants but no one shuts the living hell up about it.
Same with Drumpf. The same people who hate even uttering his name will read articles, watch video essays, and even gripe and 'vent' about him without fail hourly.

>>149919129 (OP)
Fuck 'em. They are the jews of sex. A tiny, annoying group that tries to rule others.

>>149921317
The urine didn't do it, his dick is a holy instrument of God. The vampire died gazing upon it's holy glory.

>>149919256
Vampires are real

And there you have it. The rest is just ads so I'll stop here.

Personal thoughts: I can see why people might interpret those few panels that way but it feels like calling it a controversy is overblown. It's like >>149921401 says where maybe it's just a couple people you've never heard of posting some aggressively worded criticisms but then every clickbait content farms churns out a "WOW LOOK AT THIS CONTROVERSY SWEEPING THE WORLD."

>>149921477

No "maybe". Thats exactly what it is.

>>149921477
Thanks Anon. Personally the comic is good with a sense of humor to boot. I think the trans community should go fuck themselves based on what I read.

>>149920926
>let me cut my dick off or they'll throw you in camps!
You fags are mentally ill.

>>149921477
Thank you for dumping.
I think it's a pretty unambiguous reference, but it's sandwiched between a scrawny kid turning into a buff guy and killing the people bullying him and something about reptile people. I sincerely doubt the reader is intended to think "wow, this is reasonable, I should emulate this guy and pee on the things these allegories are referring to".

>>149919129 (OP)
>Influencers are turning kids into monsters as part of a conspiracy.
THAT'S LITERALLY ME-ACK!

>>149919129 (OP)
>>149919156
>>149919171
no one cares

remember to report this bot thread

>>149921630
This is one of the least bad threads on the board right now, and you're trying to get rid of it. You're a cunt.

>>149921094
>What a great game could come out of that.
Kind of an awkward way to phrase this but so far it's not a terrible comic. Light on plot, but carried by some great but simple artwork. I really like this page in particular. It's a good little introductory issue so far.

Does Valiant still not have Turok?

>>149921402
I really enjoyed this. The creator retweets anti-tranny shit so I'm sure he was serious about it and will now be removed from the book. What a shame it was a fun ride.

>>149919317
You don't?

Reminds me of the vampire fad from around the time Twilight was popular where teens drank fake blood and shit

>>149920010
You just know that cocksucker is fat and balding.

>>149919129 (OP)
>As Tunnell did, so did multiple other posters on BlueSky interpret the narration as an explicit mapping onto anti-trans messaging,
I will now buy your comic. Before they walk it back dur to the backlash from the trans community. All twelve of them.

>>149919129 (OP)
My takeaway from this is that I had no fucking idea they still made Valiant comics.

>>149922656
He is. He's a gross tranny with the AGP smirk and everything.

>>149919129 (OP)
>“There are kids who want to be bitten to become vampires because their favorite influencer says they are one. And parents who force their children into that irreversible change… just to feel modern… and believing that they’ll be thankful for it when they grow up.”
The Anita Blake novels and their comic book adaptations covered this idea years ago and didn't face any kind of backlash.

>>149922925
That's critiquing churches so its okay.

>>149922991
A vampire church. They don't worship Jesus.

>>149919129 (OP)
i mean they’re half right lmao

>>149919129 (OP)
>Valiant’s ‘Bloodshot’ Under Fire For “Transphobic” Dialogue
No its not
>bbbut these tweets
not real
>but
shut up

>>149919129 (OP)
I refuse to believe anyone other than this literal who gives any sort of shit about Bloodshot and Valiant

>>149923112
That's not a tweet, its a skeet.

>>149921373
>no one reads comics
>the people talking about comics on social media outnumber the people reading comics
>but even these people don't hear about this shit because they just hear summaries of dumb comic events or share the odd panels
>a couple super z-list minor creators tweet about thing
>a couple of comic sites who barely generate page impressions in the 1000s - 10,000s mention thing
>becomes a thing in this tiny online bubble
>company actually responds to this thing like it matters

>>149921373
I wanna be a comic artist. I want to be a comic artist. I want it I want it I want it now.

This is kinda why I tend to avoid comics, I could not imagine reading something and having it be changed or having story elements be removed because 20 fags on social media bitched about it.
They desperately want to ensure that only random social media autists care about what they make.

>>149920016
>don’t fall for for peer pressure and make reckless decisions that you may regret in the future
>OH MY GOD YOU FUCKING CHUDS ARE SO TRANSPHOBIC WHY DO YOU THINK NO ONE IS GOING TO NOTICE YOUR DOG WHISTLES

>>149923496
Companies are pretty much run by HRtards and do everything they can to make sure that the only people that get forward are the ones they approve of. It’s basically a politburo within a company and the only reason it’s tolerated is because the company gets investment money to make up for the losses.

>>149923496
People overreact to social media bubbles they are part of. That's half the issue, all these people are incestuous and care what some guy with 20 followers thinks.

>>149920488
that's britain; in the US it's the right wing and their pet orange nigger

>>149923547
are you saying it's not transphobik? you're right as it has nothing to do with trans things

>>149920016
>>149920350
take note

>>149920635
no they're the excuse but i bet you'll go hook line and sinker with the gov when they scapegoat them and never attck the gvt

>>149923822
>are you saying it's not transphobik? you're right as it has nothing to do with trans things
It’s not transphobic, but they seem to think it is for some reason.

>>149919129 (OP)
Based. They should keep it.

>>149919129 (OP)
>>149919171
>>149919171

>>149923822
I don't like the Government, but I sure as fuck don't like trannies either. Fuck trannies.

>>149919876
>musk fan
>ESL
lol

this is bad rage bait or it's the trans community lacting on to something because they are eternal victims. I don't care either way. Cool concept tho.

>>149924410
The writer actually has retweeted and liked a lot of "transphobic" stuff so he's probably making a genuine connection. Trannies are eternal victims so they can't take the heat.

>>149924683
So you have been stalking this guy?

>>149919740
in arg spanish? lemme see, I'll tell you if it is or if gringos hallucinated a racism again

>>149924773
No I saw an article about it after I googled his name to see what else he's written. Also at least two other people have mentioned it in this thread.

>>149924843
>No I saw an article about it
Where? Why would you see an article about this shit? Do you have lame outrage bait show up in your feed often?
>Also at least two other people have mentioned it in this thread
Yes a certain subset tends to show this sort of behavior.

>>149919129 (OP)
> Tranny
> I don't talk shit about books I don't enjoy
At least make it believable

>>149919129 (OP)
What they did to Bloodshot’s hair is more offensive

>>149924902
Why are people as retarded as you so irritating? When you google the writer's name, on google, the top of the search is recent news about the subject. I hope you get hit by a fucking truck faggot.

>>149920577
LOL it's the liberal words words words meme

>>149919171
I would've bought it but sine they already caved I'll just boycott them forever now.

>>149925065
> No link
So you're just making it up. Many such cases.

>>149925100
Just google his name for yourself you fucking retard. Then you can jump off a bridge.

>>149919509
no shit. controlled opposition gonna controlled oppose

>>149919129 (OP)
>Its transphobic to call out attention seeking parents who groom their kids into taking on a fad with irreversible changes to their body and psyche instead of just letting them be normal

Literally what did they mean by this?

>>149920016
They really want be against trooning 5 year olds to be the new N word. I've yet to meet anyone in real life who wont put you in a chokehold for suggesting such a thing to their face.

>>149920577
what rights are being/were taken away since 1/25/2025?

>>149925508
Real rights? None.

Fake rights that only exist in people's heads? The right to free movement, the right to chop off your dick at age 8, the right to the dole, the right to permanent employment, the right to buy soda with welfare checks... There's a lot.

>>149921451
Armstrong is the only one in the Valiant universe I can believe has a dick blessed by god.

>>149925456
I'm all for being hyper vigilant about kids who want to transition but whenever you see people saying this shit their solution is almost never 'we should be vigilant for parents who are pressuring their kids into this'.
Also
>parents forcing their children into that irreversible change
Something tells me the metaphor isn't about losing your virginity or tattoos or some shit. There's only one type of person who would think this is a subtle metaphor and they're kind of well known for being retarded about the issue to begin with. The local elementary school in my area is having to undergo major reconstruction because so dumbass passed a law saying unisex bathrooms are illegal in schools because of all this bulltshit. The unisex bathrooms were built in the fucking seventies. This shits retarded and so is anyone else who's so fucking upset by like....200 kids in the last 8 years or something. Go to hell.

>>149925709
>angry tranny noises

Nigga you typed a whole paragraph to just to defend trooning children. Seek help.

>>149920985
>Are you 893
Is this a reference to the 764 pedophile group?

>>149919129 (OP)
you don't even have to be pro-tranny to see this is a thinly-veiled allegory, c'mon now. that may as well have been genned from an ai trained solely off of /pol/.

>>149919217
>writer actually seems to want to call out troons
>publisher immediately backtracks and says they'll change it
that's such a pussy move, they should grow a fucking spine and realize the whole world isn't controlled by bluesky trannies

>>149919129 (OP)
I fail to see the antitranny message here

>>149919129 (OP)
Just let that series die already!

>>149919129 (OP)
>those horrible undead blood-drinking monsters that are walking rape/molestation metaphors? >yeah, that's us
Holy KWABoli

>>149925508
>what rights are being/were taken away since 1/25/2025?
Free speech for one.
I refer you to the various students detained for complaining about israel bombing baza.
E.g. mahmoud khalil

>>149927321
They aren't saying they are vampires, they are saying the other guy is using it as a metaphor for them.

>>149925508
Freedom of speech = If you protested against Israel or wrote an op-ep about it the current government is currently busy revoking your green card and visa and deporting you. And often not even informing you that they’re doing that so one day ICE will just show up and arrest you for being “illegally” in the country. Same way they’re now actively censoring shit by removing words from government websites and documents or outright taking down pages. Like how they took down a page about Enola Gay because it had that word in it. Or how the administration put pressure on the museum to rewrite Trump’s impeachment display and is using political power to force schools to teach only what conservatives want to teach.

Right to habeas corpus = If you aren’t given a trial and can just be deported automatically because the government said you’re a criminal, that’s not exactly a great precedent when the government is currently constantly caught lying. ICE is constantly shown to be arresting actual citizens and we already know they mistakenly deport and even courts tell them to stop deporting people and facilitate the return of wrongfully deported people the current government just says “fuck you, I don’t have to do shit”.

I guess all the racist edgelord contrarians here just love living in a police state where the president can just order troops in and begin harassing citizens because the colour of their skin. Where just looking brown-ish is enough for masked, unidentifiable people with guns stop you and try to break into your car and start shooting at you if you don’t genuflect and let them do whatever they want.

>>149919156
>>149919171
Based argie

>>149919129 (OP)
You're telling me this is the only way for Valiant to get any attention?

Valiant is the worst magazine of the 90s. It never published anything worthwhile, the only thing of note is that Jim Shooter worked on it. I don't care about this otherbait post, it's just that Valiant is so bad.

>>149927483
bro what? deportations for illegal immigrants don't need a fucking trial by jury, you just need to check if they're registered as a citizen or have the proper documentation in the system to be here, it's not the same as a trial for murder. Also, I wouldn't try and screech about the government "arresting real citizens!!!!!" when the last time you dicks made a stink about that it turned out the dude was an ms13 wifebeating gang member who DID have a standing order to be deported. I know you think that people are being deported solely for being the wrong shade of brown, but maybe quit being a hysterical fag for once and stop accepting everything bluesky tells you at face value

>>149927863
They do have a right to a trial when facing deportation. They are currently also just targeting people who go to their court appointments, in some cases people were going to renew their green card because they lost it or they were in the process of getting one, ie they were doing what the law required them to do to be legally in the country, and ICE grabbed them and started deportation proceedings.

And Kilmar Abgo Garcia had a court order saying he had protected status and should not be deported. ICE ignored that, the government admitted in court they made a mistake, it took another court order and months of the government dragging its feet to get him returned back to the states and now they’ve brought in trumped up charges because they hate that the guy’s case made them look bad. He hasn’t been proven to be an MS-13 member. You’re a moron if you think the photoshopped image is proof.

And they have deported American citizens, including kids in situations where they’ve prevented the family from contacting anyone or even a lawyer and just told the parent being deported that they either take the kids with them or they’re going to be separated and who the fuck knows what happens to them then, you got two minutes to decide. In other words they’re intentionally pressuring parents to deport with their kids and not be able to seek arrangements where the children could stay in the US with family members. Because this is an overtly racist regime that just wants to deport people. It’s not dangerous criminals, or even people with criminal records, it’s often just people who had some mistake a decade in their paperwork and they’re just going out of their way to find an excuse to deport people.

>>149919129 (OP)
I already liked Bloodshot Beyond, you don't need to sell it to me. Thanks for pointing this tho.

>>149928120
I don't understand why such outdated laws are still in place. I can even understand ethnic bullshit laws in countries like Japan, even though they're still nonsense. They can claim that the land is theirs, but the US? Stolen land.

>>149919129 (OP)
based

>>149919129 (OP)
>tranny instantly identifies with soulless, bloodsucking abominations that do harm wherever they can
In my country we have a saying: the dog on which the stick lands is the one that yelps

>>149929203
Using language that is used against trans people all the time makes it very clear what the intention is. Especially when it’s used as bizarrely as in context to vampires.

>>149929209
But to acknowledge (hehe, ACK) this as being about trannies is to recognize trannies as being in nature predatory organisms that reproduce by targeting for conversion those who are mentally vulnerable.

>>149929203
Albino military nigga is anti-trans, I don't get it. He looks like a freak.

>>149927676
> the only thing of note is that Jim Shooter worked on it.
I'd say Barry Windsor-Smith working on it was more notable, Valiant was an important stepping stone on the path to him creating Storyteller

>>149929231
I forgot that he was the only notable name in that shitty magazine.

>>149929217
No it’s not. Recognising that it’s just another attack against the marginalised group by using the same language they are using all over the place doesn’t legitimise or say they’re right.

>>149929317
Why is it okay for the marginalized group to attack children but it's not okay for these attacks to be pointed out?

>>149929361
Your entire premise is bullshit bigotry.

>>149929317
>>149929409
You should probably go back.

>>149929409
Calling it bigotry doesn't add value to the conversation, nor does it address the issue at hand. Becoming a vampire is permanent. Vampires reproduce not via natural biology but via converting pre-existing people. No rational mind would become a vampire with all that it entails, and so they must seek their converts among those whose power to reason is impaired or undeveloped, i.e. the mentally ill and the adolescents, the children.
This predation you defend, call it bigotry to point it out. And yet, there need not be vampires at all. To be a vampire is not something that occurs at birth, beyond your control. You are made this way. You need not be made this way. Yet you reject the notion that anyone should be protected from the conversion: let there be more vampires, you say.
Why is this? Why spread it?

>>149919129 (OP)
>neither of which is factually accurate, in any way
lol

>>149921477
the storytime was actually good, thanks for that, and yeah in context it seriously feels like some big retardation going on for no real reason

hey maybe it'll boost sales

>>149927355
You mean sensationalized media reports? Has anyone been tried and convicted for those statements? No.

Hey so could Alien books reprint more of that old Valiant stuff? Like, you could with the entirety of Rai/Rai & The Future Force into one trade. Or maybe a 2nd volume of the Eternal Warrior omnibus?
Asking for an Ostrander fan.

>>149927483
>>149928120
>Freedom of speech = If you protested against Israel or wrote an op-ep about it the current government is currently busy revoking your green card and visa and deporting you.
It says in your application that you are in this country at the behest of the government and can have your card revoked. Has anyone been tried and convicted for speaking out against Israel? No.
>If you aren’t given a trial and can just be deported automatically because the government said you’re a criminal,
Do you people even undertstand what a trial is for? Trials are to determine who is guilty/fault. You dont need a trial to deport someone. There's nothing to try if the person is in the country illegally. An illegal can request the various stays if they are facing deportation but you do not need a trial to deport someone, our system has never worked like that.
>And Kilmar Abgo Garcia had a court order saying he had protected status and should not be deported.
Why do you people always lie? His order said he could be deported anywhere BUT El Salvador.

You troons have not listed a single right that has been taken away.

>>149929636
They have already arrested and deported people for their speech. Marco Rubio has boasted about it.
>Well that isn’t free speech I care about
Then you’re a moron because when you start chipping away with rights it ultimately leads to normalising it and it eventually affecting you. You know, like how credit card companies regularly try to ban porn on platforms. Like how recently it had online game stores remove stuff due to a conservative group from Australia making enough stink, resulting companies removing anything that could potentially get them in trouble.

>>149929692
>They have already arrested and deported people for their speech.

1. Post evidence
2. I asked you if someone has been tried and convicted for this speech which you still have not answered. We both know its a no because the 1st Amendment is still in place.

>>149929667
Deporting people because of their speech is a violation of free speech. They targeted people because of their speech.

>Trials are to determine who is guilty/fault. You dont need a trial to deport someone.

People have a right to have a trial if they are to be deported. That right has been egregiously ignored and violated repeatedly under the current administration. That is why Trump keeps losing in court because they’re trying to just ignore habeas corpus entirely by denying people their right to have a court hearing. Hell they’re outright telling judges to dismiss immigration cases so that ICE can grab them after walking out of court and then deny them their right to appeal to the decision. ICE is also constantly caught making mistakes and arresting people who are citizens. They’ve been caught lying that people somehow just come to them and say they’re illegally in the country and then turns out they’re actually citizens. They’ve deported people who are legally in the country.

Any of things should alarm people of what’s happening but of course people like you care more about shitting on people than what the consequences of such actions entail in the long run when laws and rights can be ignored by the people in power.

>Why do you people always lie? His order said he could be deported anywhere BUT El Salvador.
And despite that the Trump administration deported him to El Salvador, where he was tortured. So where is the lie?

>>149925709
You didn't explain why sex transition is different from tattoos or losing your virginity though.
If your child asked for a skibidi toilet tattoo on their forehead would you accept? Why would you accept him "changing sex" then? It's an even more impactful decision on his life than getting a tattoo. There's a reason children can't vote or do certain things.

>>149929729
>Deporting people because of their speech is a violation of free speech. They targeted people because of their speech.

It literally isn't. The courts have consistently ruled the Executive has a lot of leeway when determining who can stay here on a green card/visa. Remember, you do not have the right to be here on those programs. You still havent showed me anyone who has been tried and convicted.

>People have a right to have a trial if they are to be deported.
People have a right to seek the various alternative methods to deportation via a court. I repeat, you do not need a trial to deport someone. There is nothing for a trial to decide if a person is determined to be here illegally. Walk this through your tranny brain. If an illegal is requesting a trial (which they cant) to stave off deportation, it means the judge has not granted them any other reliefs. What is there to try? If they can stay in the country or not despite being illegally here? Thats not how it works.

>And despite that the Trump administration deported him to El Salvador, where he was tortured. So where is the lie?
So we both agree he should have been deported? Good.

>>149929736
Minors can’t have sex change operations. Your entire premise is built around lies and fear mongering.

>>149929729
>They’ve deported people who are legally in the country.
Oh I love when you types do this. Go ahead and post evidence of this. I noticed you updated your language to not say citizen anymore.

>>149929759
I didn't say anything about sex change operations.

>>149929729
>People have a right to have a trial if they are to be deported. That right has been egregiously ignored and violated repeatedly under the current administration. That is why Trump keeps losing in court because they’re trying to just ignore habeas corpus entirely by denying people their right to have a court hearing. Hell they’re outright telling judges to dismiss immigration cases so that ICE can grab them after walking out of court and then deny them their right to appeal to the decision. ICE is also constantly caught making mistakes and arresting people who are citizens. They’ve been caught lying that people somehow just come to them and say they’re illegally in the country and then turns out they’re actually citizens. They’ve deported people who are legally in the country.
You're purposely conflating different legal processes and events in this one paragraph in an effort to confuse anyone who doesnt understand the legal system you dishonest fucking tranny.

>>149929759
>>149929775
lmao groomers troons telling on themselves

Lol, if trannies see themselves on the vampires on this, then it is a confirmation of what they are.

>>149929759
You know puberty blockers, hormones and the likes are a thing that's not easily reversible that children can legally get in some cases, right?

MODS = FAGGOTS

>>149929855
No one under the age of 21 has ever been given any of these and you know it chuddie, go touch grass

>>149929762
They have deported both people who are citizens as well as people who have a legal right to be in the country. They are currently trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil who has permanent legal right to be in the country. Because he protested against Israel. That is a direct violation of free speech and if they weren’t fighting it in courts right now Khalil would have been already deported despite being a legal resident who hasn’t committed any crime. Other than thought crime against pro-zionist Trump regime.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-deport-us-citizen-kids-stage-4-cancer-honduras-rcna224501

>>149929865
NTA but you know its bad when you have to resort to blatantly lying. Why are you people addicted to lying?

>>149919129 (OP)
holy based
how the fuck is this shit still allowed
https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files

>>149929888
>They have deported both people who are citizens as well as people who have a legal right to be in the country.
In the fucking article you cited, the citizen in question is a child who had to go with their parents. Where else do you send a child? Leave them on the street. This is why I asked you to post an article so everyone can see how dishonest you people are.

>>149929888
>They are currently trying to deport Mahmoud Khalil who has permanent legal right to be in the country.
I like how you dont mention he has a green card and its not a citizen or even naturalized. You're doing that thing again where you try to confuse people. There's a difference between a lawful permanent resident (green card holder) and someone who has a "permanent legal right" to be here, aka a citizen.

>>149929855
You mean treatments that are also regularly used on cis kids too? Because they’re legitimate forms of medical care. Things that doctors don’t just give away to any kid like candy if you ask for them because there’s procedures and lots of consulting and diagnostics involved before you ever get to that level in trans care? Which is something that is only done with the consent of the parent when they seek treatment for their child? So, what, you think government should be the party to make all decisions concerning children’s health now?

>>149929943
>You mean treatments that are also regularly used on cis kids too?
Yes and its used for legit medical care and not to troon them out you fucking pervert

>>149929915
Read the article:
>The suit alleges that despite the government’s own directives, the parents “were never given a choice as to whether their children should be deported with them and were prohibited from contacting their counsel or having meaningful contact with their families to arrange for the care of their children.”

>>149929930
I gave an example of someone who is legally in the country and the government is seeking to deport then over their speech and someone who was deported with their mother because the government didn’t allow the family to even try arranging the child to stay in the country by putting the kid in the care of relatives. Because this current administration just wants to deport people for their views and ethnic background and don’t care about breaking laws. That’s why they keep losing in court because it’s that flagrant abuse of the system

>>149929951
>You’re a pervert because you’re giving children healthcare!

This is the level of dishonest discourse you have to deal with. Bigots just hate minority groups and just throw moral accusations to smear the opposition.

>>149929943
Thinking you're the wrong sex isn't a decease, that's not something to "cure". You don't give drug to people that don't need it for no reason, it's dangerous.
>So, what, you think government should be the party to make all decisions concerning children’s health now?
Gov shouldn't remove children from parents because they're not part of the troon cult, for starters
https://www.dailywire.com/news/maryland-refused-to-give-back-a-virginia-runaway-because-her-parents-misgendered-her-then-she-was-sex-trafficked-mother-says

>>149929962
>Read the article:

I did read the article, troon.
>“Rather than separate their families, ICE asked the mothers if they wanted to be removed with their children or if they wanted ICE to place the children with someone safe the parent designates,” Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said. “The parents in this instance made the determination to take their children with them back to Honduras.”

Oh or am I supposed to take the words of a defense attorney who has every incentive to lie for their clients? There's nothing stopping those kids from coming back so I wonder what that lawsuit is really about.

>>149929983
Doctors are more qualified to say what treatment is and isn’t appropriate than some weirdo screaming on internet forums how much they hate trans people

>>149929983
>Thinking you're the wrong sex isn't a decease, that's not something to "cure".
>Thinking you're the second coming of Christ isn't a disease, that's not something to "cure"
Mental illness is still illness

>>149929996
>appeal to authority
Doctors also used to tell you smoking was good and that lobotomy was a perfectly valid medical procedure.
>>149930000
I thought being trans wasn't a mental illness and was actually a wholesome chungus normal thing though?

>>149929962
>I gave an example of someone who is legally in the country and the government is seeking to deport then over their speech and someone who was deported
You are trying your best to obfuscate the situation. You must be a bot.

1. You still have not provided evidence of anyone tried and convicted for protesting israel
2. You keep citing cases where a green card holder violated their terms of service and is facing deportation because of it.
3. You cited a case where an illegal mother chose to take their child with them to deportation and is filing a lawsuit in a vain attempt for herself to come back. Like the other anon said, there is nothing stopping her citizen children from waltzing back into the US.

>>149929970
>healthcare

>>149929995
You should when the government is repeatedly caught lying, has admitted they’ve wrongfully deported people in court, their side keeps losing deportation lawsuits because of how much they ignore laws and procedures and how the government is going out of its way to find excuses to throw people out that now writing an opinion piece about Israel is all that you need to lose your legal right to be in the country. You absolutely should not just take the word of the government in such a situation as the gospel truth.

>Why should you sue when the government does something wrong?
Probably because the government did something wrong.

>>149930013
So you don’t trust any modern medicine then? Or it just so happens that magically anything to do with trans is automatically bad but when same treatment is done on a cis kid it’s okay? And this doesn’t show deep rooted bias in your reasoning, right? You just hold fundamental truth because your guy reaction when talking about random people’s healthcare. You who has no medical license or knowledge knows best

>>149930026
>has admitted they’ve wrongfully deported people in court
Oh you mean the case where the guy who got deportation orders five years ago got deported to his home country despite the protest of some actvist judge who thought they found a loophole in the system?

>>149930026
>legal right

Once again you're doing the wordplay thing again. Green card holder, not citizen.

>>149929996
Why quibble about qualifications and doctors when it's so blatantly a pseudoscience? The transgender question is the modern-day equivalent of eugenics -- the politics of it come first and so the facts are altered to fit the politically correct view, no matter how nonsensical.

>>149930013
>I thought being trans wasn't a mental illness and was actually a wholesome chungus normal thing though?
You thought I was the guy you were arguing with? Too bad! I'm an elf with a gun! BANG!

>>149930043
I would rather compare sex change operations to the lobotomy.
>both considered mainstream medical science in their own day (inventor of the lobotomy received the Nobel prize in medicine)
>both treat the mentally ill with invasive surgery from which there is no possibility of recovery

>>149930039
The case where a judge had decided he couldn’t be deported to El Salvador and then they deported him anyway, against a clear court order. Something that the government has admitted in court that they shouldn’t have done. Yes that one. Great we’re on the same page on how the law works.

>>149930035
To be honest no, I don't really trust modern medicine in many fields, trans crap or not.
There are numerous obvious conflicts of interest and a lot of money involved in the medical field, you'd be foolish to blindly trust "experts". As with everything you're supposed to do your own research to not get taken advantage of.
Anyway, "experts say so" isn't an argument.

>>149919129 (OP)
Imagine defending castrating your own children like they are merely pets in your household.

>>149930041
I didn’t claim they were a citizen. They are a person who have a legal right to be in the country and the government is now trying to oppress them for their speech by trying to deport them for wrongthink. No any real crime. No lies about their paperwork. Because the government wants to punish them for their speech and thus make other people too afraid to voice their protest against Israel’s actions

>>149930077
Glad Trump ignored the activist judge and sent the illegal home where he belonged.

>>149930090
But they get so unruly when they hit puberty...

>>149930091
>I didn’t claim they were a citizen.
>legal right to be in the country
What you're describing is a citizen. I can tell you're getting mad that I keep catching your wordplay. A green card holder is a lawful permanent resident. It does not grant them a right to be in the country. You do know what a right is?

>>149930082
When you are saying medical care is bad because muh feelings and irrational hatred to the group receiving it, that isn’t an argument, it’s a rant.

>>149930104
No that’s describing a legal resident. They have a right to be in the country. The government arbitrarily trying to revoke that because they don’t like someone’s speech is bullshit and flagrant attack on constitutional rights people have in America. You’re just being a pedantic asshole who clearly thinks constitution doesn’t apply to everyone n the country like a racist fascist

>>149930107
> irrational hatred to the group receiving it
This is a strawman. Nobody hates the kids being groomed, except possibly the people doing the grooming.

>>149930113
Lets play the game. What is the difference between a green card holder and a citizen?

>>149930113
https://www.theimmigrationfirm.us/blog/2024/06/4-grounds-on-which-your-green-card-can-be-revoked/

Straight from a lawyer.

>>149930141
The green card holder was played by Gerard Depardieu and the citizen was played by Orson Welles?

>>149919129 (OP)
>Valiant’s ‘Bloodshot’ Under Fire For “Transphobic” Dialogue: Alien Books
>https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:qyz6pl4auoos7cahbc42yaod/post/3lwhkctcxuc2c?
Finally, a anti-woke comic not made by nutjob or blacks

>>149930182
>throwing a kunai like Naruto
Further proof of the anime-to-trans pipeline btw

>>149930107
>When you are saying medical care is bad because muh feelings and irrational hatred to the group receiving it
This isn't what I said at all and I clearly explained my reasons for distrusting modern medicine.
You can just say you disagree, you don't have to strawman my post.

>>149923496
It’s such forced political bullshit that it doesn’t even make sense in context. What’s funny is, I’m willing to bet this author is the first to complain about “wokeness” in comics by saying things like “keep politics out of entertainment.”
And 'making comics political' is always just like, acknowledging that certain people exist at all

>>149930070
Based and Gerberpilled

>>149919129 (OP)
>how can I make this about MEEEE!
It reads more like bugchasing taken to the logical extreme, but that doesn't suit >her narrative so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>neither of which is factually accurate
okay

There's something so, so funny about how these people see predatory, soulless, bloodsucking demons in a work of fiction and instantly take that as a personal attack. What a shame they'll never have the self-awareness to laugh at that.

>>149929692
>group from Australia
It's cute you think they had any impact on that whatsoever. That group has been reeing porn and soggy knees ever since their leaders boyfriend dumped her over porn 15 years ago. If they had any power this would have happened long ago. They're just convenient scapegoats so people have someone to blame (and target if there's another Saint Luigi out there).

>>149921140
So far just seems like a oneoff line that they were making about the vampire demogrphic lore.
When a friend was describing this to me a few nights ago I thought maybe were reading into it because my brain firsr went to parents having their kids try to get Chickenpox as young as possible, but the talk of influencer and big bold Irriversable Change seems real ovvious they using phrases abiut transitioning and using it for the vampire lore.

Will keep reading but honestly doesn't seem like important of a line I'd too would buckle to change the dialogue to be something else since its not important enough to the story to die on this hill.

>>149930245
It’s either someone that thinks like this or a writer that is terrible but thinks they can be nuanced and ironic. Either way, intention don’t matter, execution is everything.
>Picrel
>Munchausen's synd-
In no way does supporting your trans child count as Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. It is where the parent either fakes symptoms in a child or induces real symptoms to make them appear ill. Listening to your child say that they are a certain gender(or no gender) and thus letting them express themselves in that way is absolutely not MSBP
If that theory was true, wouldn't you be able to say the same about any kind of illness or syndrome in a child?

>>149921254
Are the metal enthusiasts from a previous story? Or is this referencing some other real life event or equivalent.

>>149922925
That page seems more like a commentary on enlisting for the military than having a sex change, but thats mostly just me seeing the talk about living and dying.

>>149930357
>It is where the parent either fakes symptoms in a child or induces real symptoms to make them appear ill. Listening to your child say that they are a certain gender(or no gender)
This is complete mental illness.

>>149930205
>I do my own research

Let me guess, you also think organ transplants and HIV medication are a scam because “profit incentives”

>>149930289
>There's something so, so funny about how these people see predatory, soulless, bloodsucking demons in a work of fiction and instantly take that as a personal attack. What a shame they'll never have the self-awareness to laugh at that.
Anon you can feel the self satisfaction coming off of that line, the “see what I did there?” Bullshit, like when Musk did the Nazi salute.
The "parents forcing irreversible change on their children because of influencers" is 10000% an anti-trans dog whistle.

>>149919129 (OP)
Based, anything that causes mental or physical anguish to troons is good

>>149930537
How is it anti-trans if it targets the parents? Are the parents also trans?

>>149930533
>more strawmanning
yawn

>>149919129 (OP)
May I note the dark irony of this coming from the same group that demands we keep our politics out of entertainment? Vive la trans!
>>149919171
Them blaming it on translation error makes it worse.
So, they intentionally translated something into anti trans speech? Wow.
>>149930289
>>149930245
>>149919296
The problem is, the writer has a history of posting anti-trans and anti-feminist crap online. Picrel
This was intentional, not accidental.

>>149930683
>person sometimes does x, that means everything he does is x regardless of it actually depicting y
low effort bait/10

>>149919129 (OP)
Lmao arent comic beyond saving nowadays thanks to these gendergoblibs inserting lgbt garbage?
How do they keep going?

>>149930683
Again, the argie scene is 100% a clique of leftists losers who stoop as low as defending literal plagiarism.
If he was outright anti-trans, he would've basically been hanged by this point.

>>149919129 (OP)
>claims comic is making transphobic point
Zoe's reading too hard into this. The message of these is clearly, and explicitly, an anti-influencer message. The author is openly expressing their TID sentiment, and I fully agree with the point that influencers are the scum of the internet and need to stopped.

>>149930710
Whats the "y" being depicted thats not the "x"?

>>149925058

This. He has a fucking tranny haircut.

>>149919129 (OP)
Valiant, huh. Can't believe I see them again.

Are Valiant or not?

>>149932590
Valiant died after the Image crossover.

>>149932590
Valiant had the best tie-in videogames back in the day, with Turok and Shadowman.

>>149919129 (OP)
Okay?

>op frantically trying to rescue his troll thread from page 10, not realizing it's been autosaged
Sometimes the jannies are okay.

>>149931241
I’ve been thinking about it and I think the reason a lot people didn’t spot it is precisely because we don’t think like that. This idea that parents or influencers are forcing kids to become trans is of course nonsense so we didn’t jump to that parallel the way the targets of this shitty dog whistling obviously did.
But if you are trans and you hear it every day, you’re gonna spot it faster too
>>149931293
>lost
>valiant concede
Oh sweet anon

>>149919129 (OP)
This doesn't look transphobic, it just looks like extremely tone-deaf social commentary made by a white dude who doesn't have nay trans friend->>149930683

nvm