Thread 149919990

Where did all the people who used to post on /co/ go?

>>149919990 (OP)
Twitter

>>149919990 (OP)
I'm still alive.

>>149919990 (OP)
>Tfw the board is slowly being taken over by autistic /a/fags because barely anyone posts here anymore

>>149919990 (OP)
Bingo?

>>149919990 (OP)
/pol/

Comics and cartoons stared getting really shitty.
If you try to talk about why or because of whome that's the case youll get banned.

>>149919990 (OP)

I'm still here. I don't talk about much cause the last time I enjoyed a comic was in like 2012 or some shit.

>>149920091
Where
>>149920176
Only if you're a basement dwelling chud. Comics and cartoons are popular outside of /co/ where you're really only allowed to like about 5 shows and a handful of comic characters

>>149920213
>Comics and cartoons are popular outside of /co/

>>149919990 (OP)
i hardly post cause most of the content on every one of my regular boards is either porn, bait, normalfag shit, or politics. all the while being told i'm an evil subhuman incel who will never have sex or happiness and doesn't deserve anything. it's been like this for a long time too. why would anyone come here anymore. entirety of the internet feels dead nowadays anyways not just here.

>>149919990 (OP)
I lurk from time to time, but mostly don't really talk about comics and cartoons anymore.

It has become a really shitty board. No shit, but really, it's just annoying to post anything. The autism is to a level that I can't believe. Just shit thread after shit thread, unprompted and random racism (or whatever ism) just for the sake of it and completly disrupting any conversation of the actual topic, thread after thread of the same shit with a shitty question prompt that expects no answer, and unironically insane people spamming to amazing degrees if anybody is talking about something they don't like.

if it wasn't because I knew it from a better time, I wouldn't even lurk. I still have my /co/ folder sitting in my PC, my first few ones lost to time, this one there and as useful as a set of two left gloves.

>>149919990 (OP)
Comics wise?
The post timer made storytimes a pain so less people do them and outside of the Ultimate and Absolute lines, and Mainline Spider-Man and associated characters books, you don't have a consistent culture of uploads and discussion because nothing else ongoing is worthwhile.
Cartoons Wise
For all the distain about it /co/ was fueled by story and show with plotlines coming out weekly.
In the 2000s it was action shows and in the 2010s in was lore shows, both with the added expectation that those series would be released on one of the big 3. Now that kind of content has dried up and wo there is less reason for people to show up.

The way this board kept healthy was simple
>New content is released
>Anon posts content
>People who otherwise wouldn't come here show up to consume the content
>They stay and talk
>They talk on other threads
>Board has life
/co/'s lifeblood is piracy, and without content worth showing up every week to pirate we all wither.

Cartoons have been shit since 2008

>>149920982
Exact same here, started lurking /co/ in 2008 and and I post maybe a handful of times a year max now, my eyes just gloss over half the fucking threads in this place because it all just ends up being the same inane low hanging fruit. The culture really has fallen out of it; storytime threads are a minority and barely last, drawthreads are just endless fapbait and egotripping, no recognizable trip/namefags for everyone to hate in unity, no celebs visiting anymore, etc. etc.

Just about the only thing that would give this place a shot in the arm is a board split, but that's never ever gonna happen because that would warrant a mod that personally cares about /co/

>>149921178
Nah

>>149919990 (OP)
They got driven out by the tranny mob.

>>149920213
>I have to invent a whole story about the people who disagree with me to defend my ego from the truth of their arguments
How many full grown employed adults with children have to tell you to knock it off with the gay shit before you figure it out?
If history is a guide it takes mass violence to drive home the point. Do we need to do that again? Can you figure it out or is arguing a lost cause?

>>149920982
It feels like a lot of the people still really into cartoons in this site are autistic spergs and schizos who ramble about the same shit

>>149921294
A comic only board would be nice. Itd be /po/ tier slow but it'd be nice.

>>149919990 (OP)
>Where did all the people who used to post on /co/ go?

>>149921766
It would provide a much better environment for storytimes, for one. Plus, I'm perfectly fine with slower boards, not everything needs to be /v/ paced

What have (You) done to make the board less shit?

>>149919990 (OP)
Comic discussion online is pretty terrible in general. If you dont want to deal with reddit or discord you're shit out luck talking about even popular stuff, much less something besides superheroes or snooty hipster shit.

>>149919990 (OP)
Time marches on I tell you what. We really are just dust in the wind, man. Doc says I'm on the way out, myself. All we can do is be kind to younger posters and hope they take their best memories of us to the next generation. Talking bout just be your best self, man.

>>149920982
>>149921294
The problem is that over the years the board has gotten infested with legit shitpost bots drowning out discussion and newfags steadily coming in not understanding that acting like a negative fag isn't a 24/7 thing. Mods certainty don't help
>Ms /co/ was almost banned
>Spooktober and Secret Santa threads are a no go
>Drawthread caters to spammers

>>149923034
They got rid of Secret Santa??

>>149919990 (OP)
Not a lot of cartoons interest me more other then a few movies that cant really sustain discussion.
I dont really keep up with Big 2 comics so anything I do read or post about isnt going to generate discussion either plus I've mostly moved on to manga these days

>>149920091
this, deathbattle stuff is out of control almost horses tier. husbandofags, generalfags, waifufags, mentalillnessfags (carol general and spider-man general)

Been posting on the chans since 2005 and /co/ since its inception. Frankly there just aren't that many good comics or cartoons these days, I largely stick to a few webcomic threads or the rare thread about an old series we get that gets an actually positive bent going. People are way too negative, immediately abrasive, and argumentative these days overall and it often makes posting a bit of a drag. Like people have forgotten that this is supposed to be a place for both goofy posting (shitposting as it came to be known for some reason) and also real genuine discussion. You always get some clown trying to misdirect a thread with a random political or racial comment out of absolutely nowhere.

Don't even get me started on the crazies, there are far more of them here per capita than I can ever recall seeing before and they can just decimate entire topics' worth of discussion.

>>149923117
I seem to remember mods suddenly throwing a fit over it last year given shared/public Amazon lists despite no prior issues

>>149919990 (OP)
We died out with the New 52

>>149923034
>Secret Santa threads are a no go
That sucks if true. I wanted to buy anons something this year. It’s a shit place, but you faggots have given me good laughs throughout the years.

I lurk from time to time, but comics and cartoons are kind of shit right now (ie. basically the last 5 years) and most of the board seems to be schizos and autistic teenagers talking about their favorite indie ship, so I don't really post much these days.

>>149923728
I mostly pop in for indie animation shit but I agree with the schizos and general weird vibe a lot of the obsessive posters give off. Something feels fuckin off about a good chunk of the regulars, like they just want to get into shouting matches.

>>149919990 (OP)
/trash/, it's the closest thing we have to /cog/ board nd as a result it's faster than /co/.

>>149919990 (OP)
I never left, I just stopped using a tripcode
>Wagner is my /co/pilot
>Minus is a monster
>/co/ is loev
Hell, I was your janny for 2 years
There's nowhere else to go

>>149919990 (OP)
Where did cartoons worth talking about go?

Also I'm just very antisemitic now I want nothing to do with the namefags of plus anymore

>>149923873
>Wagner is my /co/pilot

God, is Wagner still going these days? We've come a long way on western pinup art since, thank christ.

Also hello fellow ex-janny, how's the retirement fund keeping?

>>149924250
They cut my mooticare benefits in half, can you believe and I have the lumbago real bad. I just watch Columbo reruns and gen atrocities like this

>>149923187
>husbandofags, generalfags, waifufags, mentalillnessfags (carol general and spider-man general)
None of that is exclusive to /a/

>>149924250
https://www.bloomingfaeries.com/princess-heather-by-wagner-fukuhara/
He's still around it seems

>>149921371
>AH'HA MOANA GIT OUT MUH SHAWTGUN AN -
Bitch shut the fuck up

>>149924865
Cope troon

>>149919990 (OP)
>Get Captcha
>You must wait X seconds before posting.
/co/mics discussion is dead, and /co/ killed it

>>149924922
It certainly did a number on story times. I get why you need it but I think we can still lower it

>>149921178
Everything has been shit since 2008

>>149925003
ancient unc ahhh opinion

>>149920213
>Comics and cartoons are popular outside of /co/
Are they?
The only stuff I see people talk about outside of here is a few indie darling cartoons, whatever ragebait franchise garbage Netflix decides to ruin, and the stuff they have nostalgia for.
And I don't think I ever see people talk about comics unless there's some controversy of the week going on.

>>149919990 (OP)
People have to have singular threads like what are you reading or /shelf/ just to talk about actual comics. Outrage tourists moved in and having an actual conversation on comics became impossible. People out themselves as outrage tourists all the time. I saw someone mention Death of Captain Marvel in passing and some faggot instantly jumped onto how no one likes that Brie Larson character in the comics not knowing that story was about the OG Captain Marvel. I remember an article talking about how more people talk about comics on social media than read the average issue and it leads them to have quite warped perspectives on things. But then you have the culture wars layer and that always leads to the exact same bait. It feels like 1 in 100 that say they read comics here actually reads a comic. And some fun stuff is completely overlooked. That and bait threads, bots and spam are everywhere. The same Alan Moore copy pasta can still reliably get 100+ replies whilst actually mentioning a new ongoing will get you no where unless it is maybe Ultimate or Absolute lines.

>>149925246
I've become increasingly convinced that a very large number of anons simply do not read comics or watch cartoons and just post about hearsay that plays into culture wars shit. Just yesterday there was an anon claiming that Bobby's restaurant in the new King of the Hill season was vegan. The OP image was literally of Bobby grilling meat in his restaurant.

>>149925246
>The same Alan Moore copy pasta can still reliably get 100+ replies
What's crazy is the sheer amount of Moore threads we have had, and most of the replies will always be Youtube comment-tier misinformation. This is not counting the people intentionally spreading misinfo or the schizos who think Moore is satan or whatever.

>>149925246
>the OG Captain Marvel. I remember an article talking about how more people talk about comics on social media than read the average issue and it leads them to have quite warped perspectives on things.
This has been generally true for decades. Comics are a niche hobby. Storytimes and ongoing cartoon adaptations used to do a lot of heavy lifting here getting people to actually read comics.

>>149925304
Just to be clear I'm not going to go into all that shit but it is quite obvious that a large proportion of the people who watch Comicsgater videos on Youtube or whatever either don't read comics or read comics when they were a kid in the 90s or 00s and feel curious about what is going on but have fallen into that former liberal complaining nerd gets mad at franchises being fucked when plenty of shit storylines also happened when they were reading comics but their nostalgia ignores that. Not defending the modern status quo but yes, they don't read shit.
>>149925384
>What's crazy is the sheer amount of Moore threads we have had, and most of the replies will always be Youtube comment-tier misinformation
90% of the Moore issue is one out of context quote and the fact that no one reads or watches any interviews he is in. He comes across as genuinely nice and chill in interviews. There is one interview where some person mentions the V for Vendetta movie to his face and he was super chill with him and the person who was interviewing Moore says he is too genuinely nice to take umbridge with that.
>>149925394
>This has been generally true for decades. Comics are a niche hobby.
Yes, no shit, comics are a niche hobby and have been for a long time and as a medium they are not that large but we're talking about two different things. The Internet has created a situation where far too many people feel comfortable in commenting on stuff they have very little interest or knowledge in and unfortunately they end up completely dominating the conversation driving out everyone else. The culture wars conversation over comics completely eclipses the comics themselves sometimes and acts like every comic is exactly like the complaints rather than even attempt to read anything new or different.

>>149919990 (OP)
I got a job, into cars, and became an/o/ poster

>>149919990 (OP)
Been coming here for over a decade, and I come less and less. Honestly it feels like the well has dried up. Theres not really any cartoons out that have interested me in years and I image its the same for a lot of people. Theres probably people who used to come here who dont because theres not anything they're interested in. I've got other hobbies and interests.

>>149919990 (OP)
Terrible mods. Not surprising given how much the rest of the site always hated this place.

>>149919990 (OP)
I stopped posting when they introduced the timer you had to wait out until you could post, looks like they got rid of it recently but I'm sure a lot of people just stopped using blue boards and haven't came back since that decision

>>149925704
It was 900 seconds before. Now it's just 120 seconds. Should've went for 120 seconds from the start.

>>149919990 (OP)
The issue I noticed that:
>If there is a thread about animated movies in recent memory or something else entirely, replies from the same anon gets deleted, causing an influx of strikethrough replies.
>Bots
>Death Battle threads got worse as one thread I saw last week had porn pics.
>Image Dump Fag threads for no reason.
>Stealth /pol/ threads.
Did I mentioned I always get surprised shock when I see a deleted reply and question everything at times?

>>149925246
The shelf threads are nice, and actually got me to go buy/read more comics in general. Most of this board to complete garbage and it really sucks, I honestly just enjoy reading comics without any discussion on forums at this point. It genuinely feels like most people here hate comics and cartoons in general

>>149923893
Old stuff on Tubi

>>149919990 (OP)
>all the good anonymous /co/ posters have left long ago
>obnoxious, unlikeable tripfags like Boco are still here even a decade later

>>149925879
Even Lee is gone.

Cartoon fags somehow got even more retarded and have started flooding the board with even more shitty threads.

>>149919990 (OP)
People move on.
We aren't actually here forever.

Just look at this year's weekend of pain. I think it was mostly just one guy doing all the heavy lifting.

But it's okay, it's just a part of life and we can't change that. All we can do is treasure the memories and move on.

Been posting here forever and makes me wanna kms

>>149925811
Even /shelf/ doesn't have much meat and potato discussion but at least you can find a good recommendation.
>I honestly just enjoy reading comics without any discussion on forums at this point.
I miss discussing things, not even with any depth. It is why I liked Cartoonist Kayfabe before Ed Piskor killed himself because at least they would shoot the shit about comics, which was something. The bar was so low and that scratched a certain itch.
> It genuinely feels like most people here hate comics and cartoons in general
To a certain degree a lot of online bubbles tend towards the negative because saying you like something is to go on the defensive. But with comics it is even worse because of the niche factor. I also feel like a bunch of people don't like the medium either, they like superheroes or whatever but aren't interested in the actual medium itself.

>>149919990 (OP)
Either got arrested for soliciting minors and/or made the final transition if I had to guess.

>>149926075
>I think it was mostly just one guy doing all the heavy lifting.
Every community is made up of a few people that actually care keeping it going and when they move on, often due to the apathetic or ignorant people giving them shit for nothing, things collapse. It feels like no one is trying anymore because everyone has become too jaded. It is hard to treasure the memories because there is no alternative outlet worth a damn.

>>149919990 (OP)
The boomers left /co/ or they died.

>>149926163
Retard

>>149926209
>boomers
Stfu you fag

>>149926198
>Every community is made up of a few people that actually care keeping it going
There is a /co/ recommended tumblr and the last post on it was 10 years ago. We used to make rec lists and do projects and people made fanfic comics and all kinds of stuff, collectively they did that shit! People used to make shit and know about shit! Now every thread is thinly veiled bait or trolling or culture wars or bots or spam.

>>149924993
I wish they could toss an AI filter onto the image upload to identify a storytime vs a freehaven challenge or that peridot spammer or whatever.

>>149926137
>It is why I liked Cartoonist Kayfabe before Ed Piskor killed himself
God that shit still depresses me. I loved how they would analyze the pages of whatever comic they were reading, think about what the artist might of been thinking in terms of paneling or grey tones or whatever, and the value of the story, stuff like that. Sometimes you can find a thread on /co/ like that, really analyzing the craft behind a cartoon/comic (the golden age Disney threads were nice for that) but they're so damn rare. I don't know. I still enjoy reading and making comics and nothing is really gonna change that, no matter how niche the community is, because this is what I love

>>149926354
>I loved how they would analyze the pages of whatever comic they were reading, think about what the artist might of been thinking in terms of paneling or grey tones or whatever, and the value of the story, stuff like that.
And they looked at a good mix of stuff. One minute you have that Wizard 90s discussion, then some manga, then some indie stuff, then some niche underground comic, then some big flashy hit. And it wasn't super deep analysis but neither was it pointless, they had plenty to say and it was always fun.

And the sad thing is, this sort of shooting the shit is what people used to do before all this other crap became so all encompassing.

>>149926310
There actually have been some rec thread s and charts made in the last couple of years. But they run into the problem of not being discerning enough and just throwing anything related together.

>>149926427
There was a pretty good one like a year ago

>>149926488
>>149926427
Colour me surprised. It does still feel like it is a bit too little? I dunno, I used to like the discussion in those threads.

>>149926622
to be fair, the one here >>149926488 was made all in one thread with multiple anons suggesting stuff. I think it's pretty good for a single list

>>149926669
Oh I'm not shitting on it, although I am more a comics man myself, I just meant.. only a few things got made in the last couple of years but we used to make quite a lot, you know?

>>149921910
>Comic discussion online is pretty terrible in general
I can relate

>>149926715
Okay grandpa time for bed.

>>149926715
true

>>149921910
Discussion online with anything is terrible.
>Sycophants who love and overhype everything.
>Shitters who shit on everything.
>Culture warriors.
>So much faux knowledge.
>Trends.
Oh and don't get me started on collectors who have gone mental or people treating well known series as some secret knowledge. It doesn't help that Youtubers have created an omnibus bubble with collectors or rec list mentality with people reading a series and even if they don't like it claiming it is great or alternatively declaring it overrated because it didn't live up to the hype. (Hype being a you problem more than the hype itself.)
>much less something besides superheroes or snooty hipster shit.
There is weird layers, Watchmen is well known but then you meet people who have never heard of Moebius or whatever. But people act like all we have is superheroes or generic Image sci fi indie series and nothing else. And most of the complainers seem to think the stuff they read during the 90s bubble is the pinnacle of the medium and what we should return to.

>>149926488
That chart is bloated to shit.
Also, fuck trying to get the two sides of /co/ reconciled. We need a motherfucking board split.

>>149927088
>We need a motherfucking board split.
No. United we stand, divided we fall.

>>149920213
NTA but most cartoons are irredeemable toddler shit these days and any passable show within the past few years either gets ruined by poor writing by the end or comes out at a snails pace for no good reason
>>149920576
I come here because as shit as this place is its the only place on the internet where i can actually talk to people to some degree. You cant have any interaction on tumblr anymore and reddits interface has always been fucking awful
>>149921178
More like since 2015

>>149927088
how? It's organized based on cartoons and pretty simple to follow. The fact that there's a lot of comics is a good thing

>>149927196
We've fallen because we're stuck together.
Nothing can grow here.
>>149927394
What does From Hell have to do with Billy and Mandy or Invader Zim?
What does Nancy have to do with Hey Arnold or Recess?
What the fucking fuck is the point of a miscellaneous section? Why not make it all miscellaneous if the selections don't fit the sections they were shoved into?
No real thought was put into it.

>>149923365
I came to this board for the first time days ago, after being on 4chan since 07 or so.
I was amazed how quickly threads about shows devolved into the same culture talking points you'd see on /pol/. It's to a level I do not see on any other board; I was not prepared for the level of autism some of these posters project. They go on and on trying to make some shitty point while people are just trying to discuss the thread topic.

It's really insane.

>>149923365
>>149927768
Speaking from my own experience, the world is a much worse place then it was even 10 years ago and the lack of beead and circuses(a healthy stream of decent cartoon content or comics) has driven people here mad. Theres literally nothing to be excited for anymore. I honest to god expect alot of suicides this coning decade in part because not only is the world getting shittier but people dont have escapism to get away from it with new cartoon shows and other good /co/ anymore

>>149925304
Funny story - that thread was one of the first I've ever been to on /co/. I recently finished the revival and wanted to see what the response was on here. I was blown away by the direction that thread went.
Eventually, it just turned into people arguing over episode 9 (the Manmade bro dudes and HG) and some people super sperging out that the episode wasn't hard enough on women, and that it's written by a woman, and typical culture war shit. Elsewhere, other posters (possibly the same) can't stop calling out Connie's storyline because it involves her having an open relationship.

You couldn't discuss the show on its own merits. Every 1/10 post would try to be about the new season, and the other 9/10 is just people projecting their /pol/ bullshit onto the show. I was not prepared for it, and this is coming from someone who's been on 4chan since 05-06.

>>149927557
>What does From Hell have to do with Billy and Mandy or Invader Zim?
Haven't read that so can't tell
>what does Nancy have to do with Hey arnold/recess
kids getting into peculiar situations/general comfy vibe. Yes, Nancy is a lot more absurd but it's not a complete stretch. You only provided 2 examples yet act like it's all completely random

>>149927824
Eh, people definitely have more engaging forms of escapism these days - albeit I would argue they are many times more self-destructive than cartoons.
Hell, not to be that guy, but when I was growing up when the cartoons were over, the TV turned off. Even the way kids consume media has changed - they can watch whatever cartoon they want all day on a loop if the parents don't step in.
Me? When Saturday morning cartoons were done, that was it.

These days kids escape into the 24/7 web and really just lose any and all perception of normal human interaction. But this is all old hat and shit I'm sure you've heard hundreds of times on here. Having good cartoons might be a nice start, but also consuming them responsibly goes hand and hand with them.

I still like reading cape comics.

>>149927907
I just feel so demoralized by the state of everythint media wise. I shitpost on here more then i actually sit down and watch cartoons anymore. And frankly i hate coming here but apart of me likes it enough that i cant stop coming back. The most ive ever been away from /co/ was six months and i recently broke that streak again. If media wasnt so shit and if the internet had more places to talk to people and if society didnt abandon people like me by removing all IRL third spaces i wouldnt feel the compulsive need to schizo shitpost about why some guy half a country away should die by AIDS infection for making a show i dislike. Its maddening, life is maddening at this point and i cant check out because family would be sad

>>149927394
Anon's kinda right, it's a bit too general when it comes to the recommendations for specific cartoons.
Instead of only listing one or 2 cartoons it should list at least 5, or the output of an entire network.
For instance, replace ATHF with Adult Swim in general, something like Prison Pit is WAAAAY more in line with Superjail than it is ATHF.
I still think it's a pretty good list though.

>>149927976
Yeh that's fair.

>>149927824
I feel a lot better today than I did ten years ago. The poor state of the bread and circuses is exactly what allowed me to take a good look at my priorities. I decided I had to spend less time getting angry at comics or cartoons, and put more effort into improving my own life.

Anyway, those are my answers to OP's question. The culture wars tainted various kinds of media for me to the point where I don't feel like reading/watching/discussing most fiction anymore. And since I've now got more stuff going on in my personal life, I don't have as much sparetime to post. I'll still lurk for any interesting threads. But not as actively as before.

>>149928288
Im glad at least you improved your life anon, but for me the degradation of media and culture as a whole has only eroded my sanity

>>149919990 (OP)
Even the capeslop movie threads barely get 300 posts and are scattershot, yeah. It just feels like the site is getting less new blood and its full of aging millennials that are too tired to shitpost like the old days. And the cartoon industry feels dire right now. Will there even be anything besides Spongebob, Phineas and Ferb, and the Fox sitcoms at the end of the decade?

>>149919990 (OP)
No one reads comics anymore.

And moot banned half of the old school 4channers after GamerGate.

Add those two together and you get "NO ONE USES 4chan ANYMORE".

WE NEED A BOARD SPLIT.

/co/ for comics and /ca/ for cartoons.

Seriously, someone try to contact a mod about actually making this happen.

>>149928720
Yeah we really need two separate boards that move at the speed of a snail

>>149925246
>Outrage tourists moved in

Never happened. What you call "outrage tourists" are comic readers who you made hate comics by changing them. And you need to own up to it at some point.

You simply can't alter a thing people like and demand they continue to like it.

>>149928755
The cartoons board will be fine. Cartoonfags have gotten the board to be faster than /a/ and /v/ before.
The comics board will be slow, which is good for discussion and storytimes. Comic threads are the ones that suffer from a fast board.

>>149920018
that or Bluesky, at least the people who actually draw things

>>149928798
>Cartoonfags have gotten the board to be faster than /a/ and /v/ before.

Only time that was remotely close to true is when ponies were allowed here. That time will not return.

>>149928720
https://old.sage.moe/co/thread/395077/
Retards have been asking for a split since /co/ was created. It will never, ever, ever happen.

>>149919990 (OP)
Most of us got full time jobs or even families and can’t be online shit posting as much anymore
I sometimes check out the holiday threads/ holiday lantern to feel a bit nostalgic for this board

>>149928755
Yes! I would much rather have a board where conversations can go on for a decent amount of time instead of every thread getting slammed to page 10 because a cartoon fag needs another 4 threads about some cartoon girls feet.

Latin America needs a containment website

>>149928817
No, it's happened pretty frequently. It's happened many times already this year.
>>149928853
This board has always had problems (cartoons), and instead of splitting the board, they've created containment boards or relegated problem topics to /trash/.
Comics together with cartoons will never, ever, ever make sense.
I think it can be done, but it would take a lot. Like several jobless anons with endless IPs spamming the board incessantly until the board is split.

>>149928902
I was hoping Invincible would pave the way for more animated adaptations

>>149928784
Comics have always changed. They have to change or they become irrelevant and boring. You’re the type of person who in the 80s is complaining the British invasion is ruining comics because they actually added some maturity and prestige. Or that in the 2000s there was more cinematic and widescreen blockbuster approach to comics.

>>149928755
>>149928853
at this point it's the only option

deal with it

>>149928891
India needs one even more.

>>149919990 (OP)
We got bored of the culture war

I just lurk moar because the quality of posts and OPs has gone down considerably and i find less and less i want to comment on or interact with. That and none of the new shows coming out these days interest me and talking about things i haven't watched or read is asshole behavior.

>>149928964
>The only option is to create boards that are so inactive that they should be deleted

>>149928929
You have to remember the animation industry, especially in the west is glacial so any lessons learned by the industry will take half a decade to manifest. Granted they might have taken the wrong lessons (more cape stories on general instead of faithful comic adaptations) but let's hope that doesn't happen

>>149928879
Christmastime /co/ is probably my favorite time of the year on this board, based on vibes.

>>149919990 (OP)
comics didn't want people like me so I left, still lurk around for some cartoons although those are as bad

>>149929062
Warner Bros cancelled an animated Chew adaptation
Netflix cancelled Bone
I've lost hope

>>149928891
It was demoralizing when i realized that a good amount of schizos on /co/ are latinos. Unironically some of the worst posters, and i think that they're exclusively cartoonfags. Sorry guys

>>149929062
>instead of faithful comic adaptations

I for the love of me can’t understand this current obsession with “I need a cartoon that 1:1 recreates the comic! Just like anime!”

Because anime often takes liberties and changes things, it isn’t actually that great most of the time if it’s just cut and paste from the manga and it’s generally boring to watch the same stuff you’ve already read. I am at a point with mediocre anime adaptations that I just won’t watch it if I hear something I am reading is getting an adaptation unless there is some strong visual element that would benefit from animation or there’s a ton of praise for the show. It’s far more interesting to see something new and different being done than just recycling the same shit in lukewarm form. That’s why I never had any interest in Invincble. I’m sure it’s exciting for newbies but for someone that spent over a decade reading it as it came out, why would I want to watch it? I already know what happens and it has nothing that would be particularly interesting seeing in animation

>>149929137
We just want more people to get into comics
Preferably non-cape comics

>>149919990 (OP)
Reddit, TikTok, and Twitter.

I dont even see that fag obsessed with Cass and Connor Kent here anymore. Or the guy in love with Morrigan from Dark Stalkers.

All of the old /co/ regulars are or Reddit or Twitter.

/pol/ literally ruined this site

>>149927768
This board has gotten so dead it looks like only the most bitter and deranged posters are left, the handful of people clinging to actual care for the media are drowned out by /pol/ hate speech and Twitterthreads. Mods also have a knack for doing whatever will make it worse

>>149929165
When was the last time WE actually started a trend?
I know /co/ knew about the NSA tapes from Incredibles for years but some YouTuber talks about it and a bunch of TikTok kids make edits and now it's common knowledge to the extent where newfags make threads thinking its some big discovery

>>149929162
>I dont even see that fag obsessed with Cass and Connor Kent here anymore.
He is still here. There was a recent Cass thread. And he also posts on other threads, but uses a different name

>>149929176
This board doesn’t even create memes anymore.

>>149919990 (OP)
To work. It's Monday you bum

>>149926209
I'm 57 and still here since the day it opened and I didn't have to live on /b/ any more
That's Gen X

>>149929162
Reddit has no diversity in opinion and all those faggots are trying hard to fit a standard for le Karma. It’s annoying to discuss anything there.
Twitter is the opposite where they say outlandish things for engagement.

>>149929176
We’re irrelevant, the kids have moved on, and xillennial nostalgiaposters anon and pro alike are checked out and in denial about the amount of influence they have. Heck, only a select few Youtube channels get attention here when relevant. Doesn’t mean that can’t change, but it won’t look like what we had then or now. The cultural irrelevance is downstream of the board culture aka overall post and discussion quality going to shit.

>>149925487
>Just to be clear I'm not going to go into all that shit but it is quite obvious that a large proportion of the people who watch Comicsgater videos on Youtube or whatever either don't read comics or read comics when they were a kid in the 90s or 00s and feel curious about what is going on but have fallen into that former liberal complaining nerd gets mad at franchises being fucked when plenty of shit storylines also happened when they were reading comics but their nostalgia ignores that. Not defending the modern status quo but yes, they don't read shit.

I know what you mean. There's a lot of utterly rancid stories/decisions/etc from comics from the last decade at a minimum, but the culture warrior parrots are worse than the Youtubers themselves because they don't stop and think or research for themselves.

Like people fixated on that New Warriors pitch still come off like out of date tourists or bots

Youtubers and their parrots insisting that the Creative Committee would keep Feige in check and was necessary to make it more like the comics but then also complain about Ironheart comics somehow don't seem to get that the co-creator/writer of those Ironheart comics they complain about was on the Creative Committee. The last thing anyone needs is an MCU with 100% accurate Bendis comics adaptations all around

>>149929137
I sort of get it. The idea would be a 1:1 adaptation would get people interested in the comics, and in turn maybe read other comics.

This has other flaws, because why the fuck would you want to do a 1:1 of Secret Invasion? Granted it would probably be better than the actual MCU show, but that's a really low bar.

>>149929263
In context to superheroes, it’s outright impossible to do 1:1 adaptations because what, you’re going to start from 1935/1966? Come the fuck on. It would be incredibly stupid to try when people don’t want that shit, they want stuff they’re vaguely familiar with now, not ten seasons later.

Remove death battle fags

>>149929331
I'm kind of convinced with /dbs/ getting assfucked they're trying to get the Death Battle thread to be an actual refugee colony

>>149929062
>instead of faithful comic adaptations
comics are too full of what the fuck was the author thinking moments for faithful adaptations

>>149919990 (OP)
I've been lurking on /co/ for literally more than half my life
what kept me coming back in the first place were the storytimes. Scans of comics with people sharing their favorite stories/issues, and most storytime threads had good discussion coming from people who were passionate about the hobby. I read a lot of good and funny comics that I never even would have heard of otherwise. I also started storytiming myself a few times, and it felt really nice to share something you liked with people who would discuss and appreciate it.

Flash forward to around 2013. /co/ starts getting completely shit up with /tv/ tourists who saw a couple MCU movies and are desperately pretending to be comics fans so they can maintain their sense of self-superiority to other /tv/ tourists. Every other thread was filled with mouthbreathing retards who didn't know how to use reverse image search posting the same panels over and over asking for sauce. can you imagine if there was a hobby board for movies, or for video games, where more than half the discussion was just newfaggots posting screencaps and asking where they came from? Capeshit is the only hobby where this is allowed for some reason. Discussion during storytimes started to die off, there were so many storytimes that took up two threads and got less than 10 responses, or only a few bumps would trickle in after it was done. The only discussion that really takes off nowadays are the new issues every Wednesday. At the same time, sites like readcomicsonline started popping up, which filled the hole in my life that storytimes used to. It's easier to just google "read batman online" or whatever and it's the first result instead of having to download scans. The changes to captcha didn't help, since it made storytiming more of a chore than it was before.

that, and I'm a 27 year old boomer working a full time job now. so between all that, im only posting here maybe five times a year

>>149929287
Hell, there's even other problems

Do you do 1938 Superman 1:1? Or 50s/60s Superman which had Superboy as his past? Or Earth-2 Superman which had Golden Age stuff as his past with modifications? Or 70s/80s Earth-1 Superman which was starting to operate on a sliding timeline, moving Superboy into the recent past rather than staying in the 40s? Or do you do post-COIE, Byrne-era Superman 1:1? Or post-Flashpoint Superman with Secret Origin as his origin? Or New 52 Superman? Or Rebirth Superman?

>>149929347
Just nuke e celeb garbage in general. This is something every board needs to hammer down on but this is one of the worst. It feels like every fucking day we have some retard trying to bring up some other retard who hasn't been relevant in years.

>>149919990 (OP)
I've been on leagueofcomicgeeks more often than /co/ recently.

Beside what has been already said, no one cares about comics which aren't capeshit. It was more or less the case before too, but it has become even worse.

>>149929603
I worry it's just going to be another reddit. A sycophantic hole of overly sensitive dullards more interested in showing off their hauls than actually discussing the material. People so desperate to fit into any kind of fandom that they'll blindly latch onto anything trendy even if it's absolute garbage. Not that this place is terrific either. We're the opposite extreme lately. Retards who think that because we can shit post we're also obligated to. Who will just act retarded on purpose because they think >YOUS are funny. WE can't win.

>>149929620
That's patently false. If we actually had the wiggle room to really talk about comics we'd probably get a lot going. But of course the more popular genres are going to stand out and when you have cartoon fags making vacuous simpsons quote threads it's hard to keep things going.

>>149929623
It already essentially is. Unfortunately, I'd rather be undercover with wokefags than try to have conversations with /pol/culturewarfags or the homosexual sycophants of joyless antiwoke youtubers. Sometimes you have to pick the lesser of the annoying evils.

>>149929162
>/pol/ literally ruined this site
You can say that again

Remember when /b/ was the front page of 4chan? I member

>>149929603
>>149929623
>>149929748
It's honestly better used as a database than a community

>>149929748
>>149929623
My gripe with the community is that it could be the perfect oasis for non-cape discussion and it having long term potential as a database that could lead to broader recommendations and yet 97 percent of the userbase are mostly in it for capeshit/recent licenseshit and among that percentage find LOCG most useful for a glorified dick measuring contest over what characters you read the most comics of

>>149929244
This

>>149919990 (OP)
Theres maybe 100 people left on this site that actually still care about comics and life most comic fans they're old and have other stuff going on.

>>149919990 (OP)
Leftoids invaded and original posters either trooned out or just decided to give up
Notice how this entire thread is full of bots repeating the same /POL/ BAD THERE IS NO CULTURE WAR CLAM DOWN CHUDS rhetoric again and again

>>149930125
>"Mom, the /pol/leak got out of its cage again!"

>>149928784
We're talking about two different things. Yes, there are comics readers with legitimate problems with comics. But this is not the same as outrage tourists. In todays modern world finding a sense of community is practically impossible and it is really what half the thread is complaining about. One way to build a community that still works is via grievance and complaining. Feeling like something was stolen from you by exaggerating your investment. Made all the more easier if you already subscribe to those narratives. The problem with outrage tourists is if you try and talk about an actual good comic or stuff being printed or creators you like, they will come in and keep making the same complaints. Like this anon says: >>149929249
>Like people fixated on that New Warriors pitch still come off like out of date tourists or bots
The New Warriors thing was ridiculous and absurd but people still bringing it up as if it is current or if it needs a thousandth discussion are just dumb.

>>149930125
Culture wars exist. But like all grand narratives when you tell everyone that everything is shit you actually end up damaging the culture you say you want fixed because no one can actually discuss anything without you coming along and saying:
>Everything is shit!
Okay, gotcha, but then you'll shit on stuff without reading any of it because you think everything is shit. I acknowledge and understand culture wars and the entrenched problems in the industry and creative side of things. But for you things are just a dead end, you don't want to do anything other than complain and it is exhausting to bother. Grievance for you is the entertainment and the community and everything else but you have to ruin it for everyone else.

>>149927824
Desu it's not just comics and cartoons, it's basically all media. Mainstream music is basically entirely pop following the same boring trends from 20 - 30 years ago at this point with rock totally dead and rap finally giving its death rattle and the underground scene having no clear direction or critical darlings. Television and film are just endless remakes, reboots, and sequels much like what's happened to /co/. Literature has become borderline irrelevant. Video games are probably in the best state right now but even that's getting drowned out in gacha trash and mobile trash. Entertainment as a whole is almost bafflingly, painfully bad right now.

>>149930556
>Entertainment as a whole is almost bafflingly, painfully bad right now.
Why is that anyhow? Why did everything go to utter shit within the last decade and a half and why the absolute hell hasnt it improved and recovered by now? I just dont understand

>>149930598
Long story short is that the Global Financial Crisis caused studios to tighten their purse strings, and it happened right during a time where a lot of previous executives were retiring. So the new executives came in, saw this kind of cost-cutting as normal, and doubled down on it. It basically baked bad practices into management. This also occurred right when distribution corporations began to get unprecedented power as a result of momentum building from mergers and the internet becoming both the public forum and distribution network. So they more or less dictate what actually gets made AND what actually gets popular. Of course there are exceptions here and there, not literally -EVERYTHING- is bad, but it's hard to deny that most of what's big right now is pushed from the top down and just plain mediocre at best.

>>149930621
So its the big execs fault yet again for this mediocrity? Figures. I wish this tainted and cursed era would finally end already...

>>149930598
It’s called capitalism and need for infinite growth. Less risks, more maximised profit chasing with the lowest possible denominator in mind. Plus media consolidation. Longer production cycles and cost of production going up with inflation.

Why take a risk of developing a new Metal Gear when you can just spit out a shitty zombie survival spinoff farming game using the old game’s engine or do licensing for pachinko games and remakes of old entries that guarantee sales. Same logic applies to movies and comics. Why take risks when you can chase the the easy money.

>>149930621
>>149930646
These, you combine the two and it creates a universal "don't change anything, don't try anything new, and make it cheap!" mentality. Music for example is all bland pop now because bland pop is formulaic and the production is boiled down to a science, making it especially cheap to create.

>>149930621
>to tighten their purse strings
If anything the problem is they are spending far too much money on crap or chasing trends and putting all their eggs in one basket with tentpole movies whilst cheapening out where it counts. Part of the issue is really about how entrenched cultures get in creative mediums. You have people who have various influences, journeymen creators who get replaced by creators who are only fans e.g. golden age comic book creators had a lot of influences and by the time you get to the apex of comics in the late 80s/early 90s you have a generation of comic creators who only read comics. With television and movies you have had the showrunner/producer taking over a lot of the creative process; since the writers strike of 2007 there was an active decision to cheapen out on writers to maximise budget elsewhere. The problem is, rather than attract people with skill from a variety of experience, you get an entrenched creative class of always online college educated dumb dumbs who then begin hiring their friends. These people love pop culture but also despise it and see themselves beneath it whilst also having imposter syndrome and feeling like they aren't good enough to create. It is like hiring tumblr fanfiction writers on your big pop culture franchises. Some of those old golden age creators may have just been reading shitty paperback adventures as their media diet but their media diet is far better than the online person. And this really is about media diet and how you get diminishing returns.

>>149930598
MBAs vultureing up every industry that was built by people who knew what they were doing and cared about the project

meta threads threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 >>>/global/rules/8 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=149919990

>>149930646
>Longer production cycles
Why is that happening lately. Theres no excuse or reason why a 10 episode season should take three years to be produced now

>>149930676
>These people love pop culture but also despise it and see themselves beneath it whilst also having imposter syndrome and feeling like they aren't good enough to create. It is like hiring tumblr fanfiction writers on your big pop culture franchises. Some of those old golden age creators may have just been reading shitty paperback adventures as their media diet but their media diet is far better than the online person

Oh give me a break. Creative people consume all types of media and tend to have vastly deeper knowledge and diversified interests than most people posting here whining about “writers just being terminally online trustfund kids”. Sure, those might exist but to claim that’s everyone now is false.

The issue is that anything original and weird gets rejected immediately because “there isn’t any money in it” because they don’t know how to market it or something vaguely similar flopped so clearly everything like that will flop so that’s an automatic no. Now wdd to this that usually the only jobs you get early on is shitty work like “reboot this cartoon/old tv show” and it takes forever to build credentials when studios cut jobs and don’t cultivate show runners and writers rooms like they used to. So if you’re lucky and still making a living as a writer when you’re 40-50 you get a break and have the opportunity to do something new and weird. But then will anyone care because the audiences mostly just want to consume familiar IPs?

It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy loop now. Original movies are still being made and they’re good but unless it’s horror they flop because nobody goes to see them and making something that turns into a cult favourite doesn’t pay the bills.

You can make a great original comic but because it’s not a superhero one nobody reads it. So it’s cancelled. You can make great music but because no radio/MTV you’re just a dime dozen person making few bucks selling songs on online stores.

>>149930726
Less resources means more work piles up on the few remaining people so everything moves slower. Availability of talent means you can’t get people do one project as frequently because everything pays so little now that unless you’re made to be a permanent member with significant enough pay bump you have to be constantly looking for new gigs to fill the schedule just to pay rent. Issues may rise that means delays that then create new issues. The people you usually outsource stuff to goes out of business or have their schedule clogged. The network doesn’t want to commit to renewal until very late to the process so that means you can’t possibly hope to get anything released until couple of years down the line because the air time scheduling needs to be planned and you have to make new contracts and coordinate schedule

>>149930782
>Creative people consume all types of media and tend to have vastly deeper knowledge and diversified interests than most people posting here
I read a writer's blog talking about developing a show and the producers were some of the most retarded people you'll ever meet. They did not have a deeper knowledge and they changed stuff, even core stuff, on a whim. So the idea that people in the industry have some vast knowledge is demonstrably false.
>Sure, those might exist but to claim that’s everyone now is false.
Not once did I claim that is everyone but there is a lot of it.
> don’t cultivate show runners and writers rooms like they used to.
This is part of what I am talking about because the development never happens. In the past journeymen writers cut their teeth in a variety of mediums and thought for their residuals and rights. Modern companies saw a way to get around these rights and cheapened out with creatives forcing a lot of people with talent out the industry towards a cheaper group of writers desperate to cut their teeth but without the same experience or back up.
>The issue is that anything original and weird gets rejected immediately because “there isn’t any money in it”
You didn't realise that the two things are connected because the pattern is the same. The fact that the people creating things are regressing because they are fans rather than having a variety of experience or influences is also reflected in how a lot of the audience are very risk averse in what they consume which is reflected in the industry being risk averse and focusing on big trends such as franchise/universe building. All these things are connected to how culture focusses on hype/virality or comfort over any challenge and the focus on certain genres over others.

There's really no equivalent. They probably stopped posting all together and just became twitter scrollers.

>>149930782
>Oh give me a break. Creative people consume all types of media and tend to have vastly deeper knowledge and diversified interests than most people posting here
Creative people nowadays are barely a step above people posting here and that is the problem. You're talking about a tiny fraction of people who still have any knowledge.

>>149930842
Producers are not creative talent

>>149930831
Sounds like hollywood is just more incompetent then ever right now, even from a production side of things. Fuck this noise and fuck them too

As if I could leave.

I left like four years ago only came back because I thought the whole situation with that complete two season cartoon that Hasbro was just sitting on (Micronauts) getting leaked was interesting and there's pretty much nowhere else to talk about a cartoon we aren't supposed to have seen.
I didn't go anywhere else during my absence. I just read more comics and got into video game modding.

Got off 4chan when they implemented this captcha shit. Too much effort. Mostly just come back to /co/ and /v/ during big announcement seasons and to troll on /pol/

>>149930866
Indeed but the whole creative enterprise is full of people who unfortunately are even more retarded than the producers because of this process. I've talked to people irl writing for some of these big franchises and they are in no way knowledgeable in the way your describing. They've become trapped in regressive bubbles.

>>149930923
I heard about micronauts finally leaking. Is it worth watching?

>>149919990 (OP)
I come back every now and then and leave for months. For me this is what happened, so bendis got on X-men and I stuck it out for awhile but it got so stupid to me that I left for years and came back for dc rebirth Superman, then bendis gets put on that and the rogol zar stuff was more stupid than his X-men. I gave up comics completely after this and seen it as god telling me to give it up and find a life.

>>149930782
>You can make a great original comic but because it’s not a superhero one nobody reads it. So it’s cancelled. You can make great music but because no radio/MTV you’re just a dime dozen person making few bucks selling songs on online stores.
I've always believed that 90% of culture was shit. The past looks good because we see it through the filter of what's remembered and forget the crap that played against the hits. But part of the problem now there is just too much stuff. And so much of that stuff in the middle ends up aimed towards the common denominator which should in theory be a mainstream audiences but often pleases no one. So we have choice paralysis where there is too much content whilst also having the feeling that there is no choice because everything feels the same to please this middle ground audience. Culture warriors say all culture is bad but that 10% is out there it just feels harder than ever to find because in the past you could look in a newspaper and see the cinema listings and reviews and pick something and now it's not this film vs that but film vs streaming vs podcast vs gaming and this leads to burn out so people just fall back on comfort/unchallenging viewing. It's a mess. Make a good comic book and no one will read it or care. And complaining had become a form of entertainment in and of itself.

>>149919990 (OP)
I check in every once in a while to see if there's any thread worth posting in. Usually, there isn't, and I'm left looking at /v/-tier garbage that makes me wonder why it is I even bother coming back. Honestly, this entire website should've stayed dead after the hack. What exists now is a shambling corpse full of mentally-stunted troglodytes and literal bots.

>>149930936
It's okay. The animation style isn't very appealing but everything else about it is fairly competent. Its probably more interesting if you're into Micronauts/Microman already.
I think it's existence is fascinating though. I don't think an animated project with that long of a run time has ever been buried and unearthed before. 52 completely produced episodes, just rotting in some hardrive. Makes me wonder how often this kind of thing happens without us knowing.

>>149930975
Apparently now more then ever before have companies been making entire seasons of cartoons and just sitting on them. Look at the 2021 ren and stimpy reboot that remains unreleased to this day as another example

Everyone here complaining about /pol/ is a faggot.

Do you know what the issue is? Look at the board, it's 80% stealph fetish porn talk. I don't mind stealph fetish porn talk in moderation, but when it's 80% of the board, and any conversation about any show/comic devolves to it, it's pretty annoying.

>>149931016
>stealph
>twice
Put down the ganja anon

I miss those early 2010s days where you guys just were not fucking with any cape movie threads. It was a hilarious time.

I remember Geoff John's Green Lantern. I enjoyed it as a solid blockbuster comic, nothing more or less. /co/ made memes like the Lantern memes or Christmas Lantern threads and we'd do Christmas gifting and stuff. Now if I mention Geoff John's someone will come to tell me everything he made was shit and it's all shit. I'm nostalgic for that shit because we couldn't do something so basic now.

>>149931044
I don't know what ganja is, I'm brazilian.
But you guys get my point, it looks like anything that is posted on /co/ is only talked about on the context of how it makes guys hard.

There is also all the baiting and what not in 4chan getting out of hand. /co/ was always easy to bait, but these days even places that were really hard to bait (like /tg/) have falling to it. I blame anons developing more sofisticated and spammy forms of bait over the years on a natural selection way. Also unironically, the media landscape has not been healthy.

You could say that /co/ got worse and all, but the fact that no other place is good to talk about these subjects proves that its not really a /co/ exclusive problem.

>>149931119
Oh you're just ESL, never mind. Ganja is weed.

>>149919990 (OP)
I wasn’t even into comics when I first got here, it’s off the back of how cool and chill the old posters used to be that got me into it. Storytime threads were always active with discussion, people were less racist and dicks.

I’ll go as far to say those days of /co/ was the peak internet for me, fun time.

>>149931119
>I'm brazilian
You and half of this fucking website.

>>149931119
> I blame anons developing more sofisticated and spammy forms of bait over the years on a natural selection way.
Baiting has gotten so easy now because so many people have left that the only ones remaining end up pretty desperate for communication that they go head first into obvious bait.

>>149931119
In my experience most trolls nowadays actually go for the inverse where they literally say "eh heh heh I troll u!" and people still respond. I think people just take the bait more easily now.

>>149929031
We'd still have twice the traffic of half the boards.

Stop being a faggot.

You know the thing that gets me the most is how all these people always complaining how everything is terrible just seem to want to consume the latest new thing and don’t care at all about old stuff they say was better.

Like, even if that was true, why aren’t you just looking up all those great old things and consuming them for enjoyment? It’s literally impossible for you to have already gone through the past hundred years and finished everything that was any good.

>>149931251
Because i want something new AND decent goddamnit

>>149931260
How is it not new to you?

>>149931251
Whenever I try and talk about some old stuff most of the comments are people half remembering things they read ages ago or people Googling stuff to make points or arguments. You can't even get a good discussion going about Kirby's FF or something without it just being retarded.

>>149931196
>>149931185
Sofisticated doesn't mean subtle. Bait these days is mostly just screaming a stock phrase or buzzord on the OP over and over until other people start doing the same. The natural selection comes in seeing which repeated stock phrases get the most attention.

>>149931251
I literally only consume media from like 15+ years ago at this point, nothing new interests me. Ditto most of the people I actually know on a personal level. I basically just talk about old properties on /co/, you'll see me in a Popeye thread and never an Owl House one.

>>149930598
For American animation, the streaming model has been a disaster

>>149931280
Bait is not sophisticated these days at all. Bait is just the same thing over and over again, like Alan Moore threads. It is spam and desperate people who respond to the spam.

>>149931294
Its not even that streaming services cant make new animated shows, rather they dont want too for some retarded reason

>>149919990 (OP)
Cartoons went to shit. The only reason I still post here is because I still really love old 20th century cartoons.

>>149931105
>Now if I mention Geoff John's someone will come to tell me everything he made was shit and it's all shit.
That's always been here anon. He's pretty shit at times. The difference is that there's no Geoff Johns right now making earnest junk food that brings discussion. Absolute Batman is close but its the usual Snyder shit about conspiracies and its like a drop in the pond of nothing happening in cape comics.

I almost am in favor of splitting the board too so comics can have a stuffy slow board that's half a museum like /m/.

>>149919990 (OP)
CWverse stopped being posted on here so we all moved to TikTok to keep reposting clips of the Flash in 3 minute increments

>>149931331
Absolute Batman and Ultimate Spider-Man have probably been the closest we've come to actually discussing something and they are just big mainstream books anyway. But even then, past the initial hype it died down fast. Of course some people have always shit on things for valid reasons or not and that wasn't my point. It's just we did actually talk and actually enjoy things as well as building up and creating our own memes. Even earnest junk food can't fix the problems though because the board culture is just at the lowest point of effort.

And splitting the board wouldn't fix any problems because it's still bait central. Comic fans literally have to quarantine themselves in a handful of threads on the entire board to get any traction.

>>149920982
>completly disrupting any conversation of the actual topic
That's the thing that gets me. There'll be a thread about something nice, it'll have people actually discussing it, it's enjoyable. Then you look away for a second and it devolves into the same old /pol/ shit. A couple of people screaming at each other drowns out everything else and it's just not worth trying to keep the topic alive.

I blame you guys getting mad at generals resulting in them being banned. Generals kept the stupidity a little contained and balanced

>>149931267
You need an angle for conversation that isn’t just “hey I like Kirby’s FF!”

Like debate over whether Kirby giving Doom just a small facial scar is better than Doom having his entire face fucked up. Or how it’s a bit ridiculous how often Kirby keeps drawing everything like it’s middle Europe when they go abroad, such as when Magneto in X-men conquers whatitscalled island nation or whatever for an issue and it’s meant to be in South America or something but Kirby draws like it’s Austria. Or how Dr. Doom has a medieval European castle inside the US in his iirc first appearance.

>>149931410
Generals are banned? Since when?

>>149931283
Welcome to being middle aged

>>149931422
I'm not. I feel like part of the reason you see so many people over the age of 20 talking about how they feel old is because there legitimately isn't much media targeting adults in an engaging way, so they're all going back and watching old shit as though they WERE middle-aged.

>>149919990 (OP)
I'd post more it if ain't for THESE DAMN CAPTCHA COUNTDOWNS

>>149931442
>because there legitimately isn't much media targeting adults in an engaging way

That isn’t true at all. You’re describing laziness and lack of curiosity because you can’t just click the TV on and be given stuff to consume. That’s not how media works when there’s billion different avenues where stuff is put out

>>149929249
>Youtubers and their parrots insisting that the Creative Committee would keep Feige in check and was necessary to make it more like the comics
I really don't know why right-leaning culture warriors have got that idea in their heads, and it just makes it obvious that they're casuals who have no idea who was on the Committee.

Both casuals with a little knowledge, and the serious hardcore lifelong nerds tend to sperg out when they're aware an adaptation is doing something different to the source material, but with DC and Marvel, the source material is usually decades of comics by a lot of different writers of varying quality. Sometimes an adaptation can cut out a lot of the crap a character has built up like barnacles over the years, and get back to the core of what they were meant to be, but there are fans whose only interest in them might be because of one of those barnacles, and then there are the spergs who look upon the comic canon as some sacred holy text that should never be changed, even though DC and Marvel retcon and rewrite their comic history all the time and nothing is sacred.

>>149931413
>You need an angle for conversation that isn’t just “hey I like Kirby’s FF!”
Yes but you're right for the wrong reasons. Because the angles that you're talking about don't work. The only angles that work are trolling or bait. If you want to get people talking about Kirby's FF you need to call it mid/overrated or start a conversation on Stan Lee vs Jack Kirby. You can't create the debate example you give because it doesn't work. And that's the problem. Because the bait thread topics don't create real conversation they are just [insert narrative] arguments which creates engagement.

>>149931516
>Sometimes an adaptation can cut out a lot of the crap a character has built up like barnacles over the years, and get back to the core of what they were meant to be, but there are fans whose only interest in them might be because of one of those barnacles
A lot of the rec list mentality is:
>You should read this crap comic about x character because it is important for continuity even though it's crap.
Infamous storylines being praised and reprinted over the good storylines. If anything, adherence to this is why Wanda in the MCU did the crazy arc again because of Bendis and Avengers Disassembled/House of M. Not because it is a good arc or interesting, but because it is known, it is the barnacle you describe. So adherence to the source material can go the complete opposite direction where a character is just stuck in some well known slop.

>>149931542
Or it’s just that anybody who read old stuff isn’t around anymore

>>149931476
Eh, they have a point with new stuff. Ever since streaming started to push “second screen” “third screen” strategy shit, we’re obsessed with the cartoon industry here but live action people talk about the same degradation of tv and film writing all the time

I lurk, but I don't post much because /co/ isn't really a 4chan board these days, it's 95% TikTok, twitter, and tumblr rejects, and I have no interest in talking with those people or about the things they're interested in. A lot of the annoying schizos have also fucked up the entire site in general by turning half the threads into their little drama sessions.
Plus, comics and cartoons are kind of crap at the moment.

>>149931542
>The only angles that work are trolling or bait.
You forgot porn and waifus

>>149931633
A lot of people will engage in a thread even if they haven't read it when it's a debate you can insert arguments into. Some comics fans have read Kirby but more as an appeal to "you must read this" rather than an actual attempt to appreciate it. So the only angle that works is a debate where people get mad and invested even if they don't care about the actual book.

>>149931476
I'd argue that most mainstream stuff has become pretty juvenile and that while there are certainly things still worth adult's time, it's become increasingly more difficult to find. Easier to just watch a classic that's known to be good.

>>149930782
Nah, a lot of the creatives working in entertainment right now are barely above hobbyists.
Writers in particular are (sometimes literally) on par with fanfiction retards.
I just hope that the deluge of AI slop in the coming years purges all of the uncreative retards who just want to make "WHAT IF X FOUGHT Y" and "COMFY COFFEESHOP AU BUT WITH BIG BRANDS" over and over and over again.

>>149922027
May Yahuah bless your last days with truth and mercy in the name of Elohim Yahusha, selah.

>>149931422
I'm 28 and I feel the same way he does.
The only new stuff I still engage with is the occasional anime, manga, or video game (usually some indie game made by a weirdo doing something super specifically autistic in a way I like).
Music in particular is fucking awful these days, though I can tell I'm getting old because I'm hearing songs I listened to as a kid being sampled in new songs, or 2nd generation samplings that are vastly inferior to not only the original songs, but also the song that sampled the original song in the late 2000s/early 2010s.

>>149931986
It's worth remembering that for most of history people would still enjoy new music well into adulthood. My own parents were in their 40s in the 90s and still listened to bands like Nirvana, REM, Alice in Chains, etc. I think music's just genuinely gone to shit in the last 15 years.

>>149932019
Boring boomer take. Lots of adults still enjoy new music. I'm 33 and enjoy lots of new songs that come out.

>>149932019
Yeah although I'd amend this to popular music specifically. There's still good underground stuff but you have to actively seek it out. I haven't heard an actually popular song that I liked since Uptown Funk and before that there was like a decade-long gap.

>>149931476
I tried to watch Alien Earth and the writing quality is genuinely fanfiction level.
Yes, we are regressing, if you deny this it's because you're either willfully ignorant or legitimately one of those low IQ troglodytes who's the primary audience for AI slop.

>>149931749
>but live action people talk about the same degradation of tv and film writing all the time

Because studios have killed mid budget movies over putting everything on dumb blockbuster shit. That doesn’t mean good movies aren’t made, you just actually have to look for stuff instead of expecting it fall on your lap because they’re mostly small budget now and do mostly festival circuit, not theatrical runs.

And TV shows? Buddy, there was so much shit being made and cancelled during the 90s and 00s it’s insane. You wouldn’t even know they existed. You aren’t much worse off now unless you’re comparing everything to the Sopranos and shit, which is prestige cable, not normal everyday slop they have always made.

I mean seriously, TV was so dogshit back in the day that everyone mostly watched the same handful of prime time shows while new shows would get cancelled just after 2-5 episodes. Everyone would talk about Friends all day while not giving legitimately great long form network shows like Da Vinci Inquest any attention. If you got lucky a small mid-season replacement show you liked limped to a conclusion, then wouldn’t get renewed

Then there were things like sudden abrupt changes to the whole premise of the show while they were airing it. Like take Cursed starring Steve Weber from 20+ years ago. In the middle of its first season they dropped the whole central premise about being cursed by an ex-girlfriend, hence the bad luck. That was the whole fucking show but they threw all out, renamed it to Steve Weber show, suddenly it was a generic sitcom and it got cancelled by episode 15.

And that doesn’t even take account all the constant spinoff shows they kept trying to make as backdoor pilots. Always super egregious break from formula when some wild characters takes over for an entire episode to make them look cool.

>>149932019
A lot of people would still just listen to the same old bands they liked when they were 15 and almost nothing else

>>149932209
>Buddy, there was so much shit being made and cancelled during the 90s and 00s it’s insane. You wouldn’t even know they existed
I remember being genuinely surprised Andromeda was a real show and not something that I imagined in a fever dream

At least on the 90s and 00s you had shows with actual seasons and episodes. A disney show with 3 seasons would have 86 episodes in 3 years.

These days you get 8-20 per season every 4 or 5 years. Hell.

I will also say that a big issue this board has is that quality really did drop for a lot of cartoons and comics, so anons have less things that they enjoy to talk about. The Digital Circus threads for example: >>149927336

Unironically have good discussions because a lot of the people there enjoy the subject. The media landscape these days is pretty chaotic and messy, and the past years didn't help it.

Marvel spent 15 years deliberatly trying to make their fans angry with comics because they thought that outrage sells (with people working at Marvel ADMITING IT). Which media envirement can be healthy when you are literally trying to anger your customers that care about the characters? Pure madness.

>>149929137
The point of adaptations from the standpoint of fandom is to get new people into a community while not splitting said community to badly, and also the spectacle of seeing the thing you like adapted.

I haven't really browsed in years desu
I'm only back really for the new Gumball. Last time I actively browsed was probably when the first show was around.

I guess after a point it all just gets tiresome. I think to a point 4chan has always had a cycle where the next lot of youths find le edgy wacky crazy 4chan while the older userbase age out, lose track of the memes and can't engage anymore.
4chan's always had that reputation of being the wild west that kept people coming here. Trouble is these days, you can basically get that anywhere on the internet now. And even the draws of anonymity are mitigated because you can gain a bunch of followers and even make money just posting the same shit but on an actual platform. No one looks at this place as an alt-humour place anymore, it's a far cry from when it was widely known as the asshole of the internet

I don't think it's a bad place, after some time I just learnt to mentally filter all the shit out. Trouble for me is I genuinely don't know anywhere else to discuss comics and cartoons. I barely engage with them anymore yet I love them. Shit sucks. Anyone got any suggestions?

>>149933026
Is it though?

>>149924676
Wagner is still alive? Amazing. I should send him a message, his art influenced mine to a degree

>>149925304
Ill admit, I don't read comics. It's gonna sound stupid, but it's intimidating. I've got no favorite super heroes, I don't watch the movies, nor play the video games. I don't even know where to start, all the Indie Comics these days feel tumblr-tier and it's discouraging. There was one comic I read and a boy I'm trying to collect, and I want to scan it and story time since I've got the first issue, but the scanner is broken and I don't think it would get much traction anyway.

>>149933249
You’re right, that sounds very stupid indeed

>>149933249
I mean so long as you're not making posts in comics threads as though you've read said comics it's not big deal. That anon's just talking about the kinds of people that go into threads for things they don't engage in but speaking as if they're knowledgeable on the subject anyway.

>>149933298
Then I completely misread his post and do apologize. The most I can ever contribute is a bit of fan art of the design is cool.

>>149933150
Yeah,
People feel social validation from others liking the things they like, but dislike it when others like it for different reasons because if they gain to much influence they can change the direction or shape of the media in question.
And for the other point unless you the kind of person that views/reads a work once and then never again, there is a deep enjoyable novelty in seeing an adaptation adapt something you like properly.

I mostly came to /co/ for some webcomics and cartoons back in the late 2000s when this place was great for talking about stuff like [as] shows, both of which suck nowadays so I don't really talk about them much.
I don't really have the same taste as most of the people here these days and most of the stuff I have read was usually stuff I saw posted here, but nowadays most of the stuff posted just doesn't interest me, so I lurk for a bit then leave when I don't see anything interesting.
Doesn't help that the main channel I watched cartoons on is basically dead now and I'm not interested in any of the kid's shows from the last decade or so.

>>149919990 (OP)
outgrew it. Every time I come back for a visit there are so many threads dedicated to really shitty cartoons and OCs. This infested with tumblr refugees and children.The only decent threads are the ones old people post in.

Meta threads are pure cancer because at their absolute best, they consist of nothing but complete retards with horribly sorted priorities incessantly and impotently bitching and moaning about a board's quality instead making a worthwhile attempt to improve it. Things like making high quality threads and posts, reporting rule breaking and low quality ones, encouraging others to report, and self moderating.
Furthermore, meta threads at their worst are a divide and conquer tactic employed by trolls where they complain about problems that they themselves are directly responsible for, they do this in an attempt to persuade anons to either stop coming here or join in on their destructive crusade to ruin this site purely for the sake of acquiring a fleeting sense of sadistic pleasure. They're nothing more than dopamine addicted sociopaths who don't care about the physical or psychological well being of themselves or others, and only care about getting their fix, exactly like your average junkie. Since they think like a drug addict, they must be treated like one, and either be rehabilitated of their unacceptably anti social and psychopathic behavior, removed from society, or outright euthanized if they prove to be beyond saving.
Also, meta threads are against>>>/global/rules/8 and>>>/co/rules/1
It is absolutely vital that all true /co/mrades fulfill their civic duty by utilizing the report function for its intended purpose against rule breaking threads for the greater good of our home.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=149919990

>>149933249
>It's gonna sound stupid, but it's intimidating.
It isn't intimidating at all, that's all weird perception issues that people have built up. It is in part a (you) problem. And at a certain point people need to get over it.
>I don't even know where to start, all the Indie Comics these days feel tumblr-tier and it's discouraging.
You don't read comics but then create a big judgement on what one group of comics is like so then you don't try? Do you see the problem? It is kind of weird.

If you want to start it's a simply as picking something you're interested in, like a genre, finding some recommendations, seeing which creators you like and following what else they do. E.g. if you like crime read Criminal by Sean Phillips and Ed Brubaker and see what other books they have done. Or find a different crime book. And try and read some stuff. It isn't complicated.

>>149933470
tl;dr
ywnbaj

>>149933577
You make a good point, I sort of generalize based on the bits I've seen around here. I like Science Fiction, got any recommendations for that?

>>149933694
The Incal and the Metabarons, both by Jodorowsky with Moebius doing the art on the former. The Incal is very Fifth Element (and indeed there were plagiarism accusations although I believe Moebius did some concept art). Jodorowsky is an interesting fella if you're aware of his movies, he also tried to make a Dune movie prior to Lynch and there is a good documentary about it called Jodorowsky's Dune. The Incal is about a man called John DiFool who finds the aforementioned Incal and ends up in one crazy situations after another. Metabarons is a spin off about a character from the Incal and his family's warrior heritage. Stunning art by Giménez. Obviously if you want to narrow stuff down to what sort of sci-fi you like that would be decent. But if you like those then jumping to other Jodoverse books, Moebius or Giménez. Other Incal books, Heavy Metal comics, stuff like Airtight Garage, Arzach, Fourth Power. If they are not you're thing, obviously there is plenty of other sci fi.

>>149933249
I don't like any characters either and I've still managed to read hundreds of comics. Granted, most of them are bad (and I've avoided reading Storytime of Pain tier stuff), but a heap of them have been enjoyable.

>>149934415
Oh I love that Lynch Dune, I still have my tapes. I'll give Incal a look and then Medabarons. If it's got art by Moebius, it's sure to be good. Thanks mate.

>>149919990 (OP)
>Where did all the people who used to post on /co/
Modern cartoons suck and American comics have always had the worst writing in the world so why bother

>>149935028
Stfu fag

>>149930072
Right? It's basically just another MAL. A list and database that encourages padding your list rather than actually enjoying shit.

>>149919990 (OP)
Tranny janny won't let me have loli threads

>>149919990 (OP)
Western comics are dead and western cartoons are barely hanging on.

>>149933577
>It isn't intimidating at all, that's all weird perception issues that people have built up. It is in part a (you) problem. And at a certain point people need to get over it.

I really don't understand when and how this got so out of control. I got into comics during the late 80s and I was very far removed from the "starting point" as well and I imagine a lot of my peers were exactly the same. We didn't have a jumping on point. We just got into comics with issue whatever hundred of ASM or X-men and we not only were able to follow it we became hardcore fans. Back issues weren't home work they were something else to discover and have fun with. But now it feels like nobody is even willing to just try to understand things unless they get a personal cultivated reading list.

>>149931516
I can believe it if their only exposure was the movies. They'd look at the movies and go "Phase 4-5 are way worse than Phase 1-3... The Creative Committee was missing... Therefore Feige needed the Creative Committee to keep him in check"

If they only talk about the movies, I can tolerate that only because then I believe they're just misinformed movie casuals. What I can't stand is them doing that, then bringing up the Ironheart comic to shit on it, which just exposes them as having no knowledge of who wrote that comic. If they knew who wrote that, they would NOT be demanding the Creative Committee come back.

>>149931570
Yeah that's what frustrates me in people insistence that they need to adapt storylines 1:1--a lot of 00s and 10s Marvel storylines are straight up shit. Say what you will about the MCU Civil War movie but if you actually give a shit about characters and how they were before the 00s, Marvel's Civil War comic was terrible and makes the movie look better. Hell even with all the problems with No Way Home it did OMD better than OMD.

Also I can't believe of all the comics to adapt they chose the one where Wanda goes crazy. Feige kicked out the Creative Committee, he shouldn't be adapting anything Avengers by Bendis

>>149935643
I imagine part of it is that superhero comics (which is all people are going to be talking about when they say "getting into comics") function differently form other media someone has consumed. Like if you wanted to get into a book series you'd read the whole thing from the beginning to understand it.

>>149935549
Only groomer trannies want those on a blue board, since they have a penchant for corruption and exposing their fetishes to everyone everywhere.

I just wanna know

When exactly did /co/ go full racist? You guys were very different back in like 09-2011. Did the times change you or is this just a new crop of posters.

>>149935876
Around 2015

>>149935643
>I really don't understand when and how this got so out of control.
People can't wrap their heads around concepts because they want a complete story even when they bitch about plenty of complete stories ending badly (GoT). It really is like someone complaining their apple isn't a banana, ongoing superhero stories are fun adventures but people feel like their entertainment has to matter and buy into hype. A lot of superhero comics are like soap operas. There is a soap opera in the UK called Coronation Street that has been going since 1960 and has 11,646 episodes. You cannot watch every episode but you could watch it and get it as it went along each week. You can always jump into a superhero comic but people get upset at that because continuity. People say that superhero comics are difficult to get into but you can jump on a new series with a new creative team and they often have cast of character pages and summaries. I don't think this has changed as much as people claim. Imagine getting into Claremont's X-Men which got so weird as it went on, especially with the events, but if you liked the book you'd tell your friends to read it and they would get the context as they went along or you'd lend back issues to them in a time before a lot of collected editions were sold.

A lot of people say they want to try new things but it's a lie, they are risk averse, stuck in their comfort zones and it takes a specific scenario to get them into things. The big problem with comics is rec list mentality ends up being a dead end and not an exploration. Read Watchmen and this handful of other books and stop. Not taking people's taste and developing it. I regularly hear people call this or that book overrated. Because rec list builds hype, people read it and either pretend to like it to appeal to the authority of the list or feel it is overrated. The comics pipeline is just stuck. It doesn't help that influencers into comics are glorified wiki summaries or rage baiters too.

>>149935944
I just find it especially galling because we live in a time when it's never been easier to find out back information. There are wikis and online communities. We only really had word of mouth. if an older fan or one of our friends didn't know something we just went on not knowing too.

They either found better things to do with their time and talents than post on imageboards (ie: jobs), or made their own imageboards so they don't have to deal with newfags.

>>149936078
I disagree with your statement. Because yes, there is an easy access of information, but then there is infinite distraction, too much noise and an overabundance of content. We need filters and narratives to help us navigate it but comics has a big lack of good journalism or good social media creatives with pull to help do that. We live in world of extremes and contradictions where things can be at once super easy to get into and yet also really difficult. Case in point, a lot of this thread is talking about the decline of /co/ and how normal discussion is hard. Yes you can Google, what are the best comics, but this doesn't magically recreate how people got into something. If anything I think that psychologically the internet makes it worse? To be clear I'm not arguing that video stores were amazing or anything but on streaming you get choice paralysis with all the content whilst also feeling like everything in the mainstream is samey. At the video store I'd rent a movie and watch it, if it was good I'd maybe watch it a few times over the weekend before returning it. Psychologically my expectations were vastly different and I'd watch it all the way through even if it was bad because I'd want to get my money's worth at least once. Now if I turn on a movie and don't like it or it my mood changes, I can't instantly find something else. Expectations, hype, vitality, feeling like content has to greatly matter, these bubbles people build around things really seem to matter. So much so that the culture wars has created a bubble just to complain because it can feel cathartic to do so. It really feels like people do need someone to actually really sell them on something. Funnily enough all the best LCS I've been to tended to have someone with a good chip on their shoulder when it came to recommendations.

>>149919990 (OP)
comics and cartoons have been nothing but woke trash for years now
people lost intresst

>>149935876
I swear, we were the nice board up until after the /mlp/ split.

>>149936372
The colored horses broke the entire internet

>>149935876
All my life it I was always raised to treat people fairly, to just those by the strength of their character and what's in their heart. My parents, if they taught me anything it was tolerance and friendship and all my life I've tried to follow that lesson. And then someone says "Finna."

>>149935944
I mean to be fair, it is a different setup then what people are used to. You kind of expect complete stories from other mediums.

>>149936720
So much media like television used to be one and done stories. Comics were no different. And funnily enough many of the most watched streaming shows now are older sitcoms with the same format.

>>149936720
Episodic entertainment used to be the norm. You watch an episode of MASH or Batman or whatever and you rarely expected it to go beyond the end credits.

>>149936268
>Psychologically my expectations were vastly different
>>149936761
>So much media like television used to be one and done stories.
>>149936807
>Episodic entertainment used to be the norm.
I feel like FOMO (fear of missing out) is pushed super hard on people to make them consumers and get them invested in these big epic ongoing stories like the MCU pre Endgame but after a while that FOMO becomes a double edged sword where the investment is too high and people then let it pass then by like the MCU post Endgame. And when you make entertainment a pressure cooker some people will want to opt out to their comfort zone. It's a high stakes game when before you would just watch Star Trek TNG and see Data solve a problem and it would be a good, okay or bad episode or whatever and now they have to push whole franchises and universes on you.

>>149919990 (OP)
People have moved to YouTube and TikTok for animation.
All the aging boomers and Gen Xers who actually read comics moved on, died, or only post in Facebook groups.

>>149920091
Famicom has been here for over 15 years

>>149936919
The MCU and it's consequences have been dire