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Anonymous No.150870156 [Report] >>150870309 >>150870328 >>150870349 >>150870694 >>150871490 >>150873480 >>150874213 >>150875263 >>150879193 >>150882103 >>150883071 >>150889556 >>150889603 >>150900046 >>150907878 >>150909856 >>150915138 >>150916886 >>150921961
omg i love her so adorable
Anonymous No.150870251 [Report] >>150870306 >>150870850 >>150871861 >>150875263 >>150875976 >>150894455 >>150895038 >>150913258 >>150918785
Anonymous No.150870306 [Report] >>150870912 >>150877542 >>150910948
>>150870251
not me, im christian and charlie has valid christian goals so she's based and would be welcome in heaven in our own world, no one is born a sinner
Anonymous No.150870309 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
>Alli Reich
Anonymous No.150870328 [Report] >>150870372
>>150870156 (OP)
Verbalase, is that you?
Anonymous No.150870349 [Report] >>150870672 >>150900338
>>150870156 (OP)
Made for weight gain
Anonymous No.150870372 [Report] >>150873434
>>150870328
im watching it for the first time after watching the pilot like a decade ago
Anonymous No.150870672 [Report] >>150871655 >>150900338
>>150870349
she could gain a few thats true
Anonymous No.150870690 [Report]
I want to dump a load of cum inside of her
Anonymous No.150870694 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
She looks like she gives great rimjobs
Anonymous No.150870850 [Report]
>>150870251
>look mommy i posted it again
Anonymous No.150870912 [Report] >>150870962 >>150871027 >>150871552 >>150871564 >>150871615 >>150874990 >>150877506
>>150870306

Nigga are you retarded Charlie is the daughter of Lucifer and princess of hell the show promotes satanism even viv said so. So no Charlie is going to stay and burn in hell. Also the shrek gif is right.
Anonymous No.150870962 [Report] >>150871027 >>150871085 >>150871362 >>150877387 >>150910544
>>150870912
shes literally the reverse antichrist though? born in hell but not a sinner, just like how no one on earth is born a sinner except the antichrist, i guess the reverse of the antichrist would just be christ though
Anonymous No.150871027 [Report] >>150871085 >>150871362 >>150883413
>>150870912
>>150870962
also there's nothing more christian in spirit than the very daughter of satan redeeming herself
Anonymous No.150871085 [Report] >>150871362
>>150870962
>>150871027
perhaps im overthinking it but that's just my interpretation
Anonymous No.150871362 [Report] >>150871394 >>150877537
>>150870962
>>150871027
>>150871085
I need to see fanart of Charlie and Jesus braiding each others' hair.
Anonymous No.150871394 [Report]
>>150871362
both would have some luscious locks
Anonymous No.150871490 [Report] >>150871550
>>150870156 (OP)
built for instant loss
Anonymous No.150871550 [Report]
>>150871490
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Anonymous No.150871552 [Report]
>>150870912
>even viv said so
You knowing lying is a sin, right?
Anonymous No.150871564 [Report] >>150873196
>>150870912
>even viv said so
You know lying is a sin, right?
Anonymous No.150871615 [Report] >>150877519
>>150870912
The Antichrist is human, she’s a nephilim.
Anonymous No.150871655 [Report]
>>150870672
Few hundred ;)
Anonymous No.150871791 [Report] >>150876976
Charlie would have been better with long, sweaty smooch paddles instead of hooves.
Anonymous No.150871861 [Report] >>150871899 >>150873641 >>150875283 >>150877411
>>150870251
The show doesn't depict hell as a paradise at all.
Anonymous No.150871899 [Report] >>150875283 >>150877453
>>150871861
Part of me appreciates that what makes Hell so awful is that you are surrounded by the scum of the Earth after its been shat into an underworld where they have all of eternity to spiral into being worse.
Anonymous No.150872023 [Report] >>150872138
Charlie did nothing wrong and is only in hell because she was born there. When she dies she will go to heaven because she's a good girl.
Anonymous No.150872138 [Report] >>150872183 >>150873536
>>150872023
Hellborn don't get an afterlife.
Anonymous No.150872183 [Report] >>150872201 >>150890982
>>150872138
Snake guy did.
Anonymous No.150872201 [Report]
>>150872183
He's not hellborn.
Anonymous No.150873196 [Report] >>150873618 >>150876682
>>150871564

I am not lying based on the first season of hazbin hotel it was how she depict the angels of heaven as the bad guys meanwhile the demons of hell especially Lucifer as the good guys meanwhile. Literally in the first episode Lilith read a book to Charlie on how Lucifer is misunderstood. To my point of view this show represents the devil playing tricks to our mind.
Anonymous No.150873434 [Report]
>>150870372

Hide away.
Anonymous No.150873480 [Report] >>150900338
>>150870156 (OP)
She’ll probably fart
Anonymous No.150873536 [Report] >>150873558 >>150873733 >>150881492 >>150894832
>>150872138
Anonymous No.150873558 [Report] >>150873580 >>150873730
>>150873536
Those two statements don't even relate to each other wtf
Anonymous No.150873580 [Report] >>150873590 >>150873597 >>150894375 >>150902030
>>150873558
If hellborn are forced to stay in hell forever no matter how good they are then heaven must be a lie.
Anonymous No.150873590 [Report]
>>150873580
Okay then.
Anonymous No.150873597 [Report] >>150873689
>>150873580
Heaven isn't a lie it's literally right fucking there
Anonymous No.150873618 [Report]
>>150873196
You are literally retarded and are the example pretentious assholes point to when they say "media literacy"
Fucking no one in Heaven except Adam, Sera, and the Exorcists knew about the extermination, and no one supported it once they learned about it
Stop being stupid
Anonymous No.150873641 [Report] >>150874064
>>150871861
neither does the heaven
Anonymous No.150873689 [Report] >>150873744 >>150875283
>>150873597
yes and hell isn't forever
Anonymous No.150873730 [Report] >>150873752 >>150873767 >>150875078 >>150880565
>>150873558
The point is you have a guy in Heaven trying to commit a genocide because he's bored, but he hasn't been kicked out or fallen. If a genocidal maniac can get into Heaven over people who have been condemned to Hell for far less, then logically Heaven is a lie - people are getting sent there either at random or for some political reason and can get away with anything as soon as they arrive.
Anonymous No.150873733 [Report] >>150873775
>>150873536
What? How?
Anonymous No.150873740 [Report] >>150880515
VaggieTales
I'll see myself out.
Anonymous No.150873744 [Report] >>150875078
>>150873689
It should be, something is seriously wrong. Eternal damnation is eternal, forever.
Anonymous No.150873752 [Report]
>>150873730
Genociding demons which are made up of concentrated evil and damned souls isn't evil, it's virtuous.
Anonymous No.150873767 [Report]
>>150873730
Killing evil beings doesn’t make you a maniac. Demons are not people, there is no negative impact from killing them. You could rip them apart piece by piece and you would still be morally righteous. A demon is a creature of pure evil. To stand against on in of itself is to be good.
Anonymous No.150873775 [Report] >>150873800 >>150873805 >>150873806 >>150875078 >>150876074 >>150886769 >>150889403 >>150916851
>>150873733
If angels can be evil and stay in heaven, and demons can be good and stay in hell, then the whole system is bullshit.
Anonymous No.150873800 [Report]
>>150873775
>angels
>evil
Anonymous No.150873805 [Report] >>150881794
>>150873775
Go back to your containment hole, d*mon. Heaven's divine order is just.
Anonymous No.150873806 [Report] >>150873833
>>150873775
Angels aren’t killing innocents. Are you really going to say demons aren’t evil? You wanna be an American Idiot?
Anonymous No.150873833 [Report] >>150873848 >>150873860
>>150873806
Adam explicitly stated that he's killing for entertainment. That's evil, doesn't matter who he's killing.
Anonymous No.150873848 [Report] >>150873878
>>150873833
>NOOOO! You can't kill the scum of the earth with permission from Heaven AND Hell because... you just can't, okay!
Shut up, Charlie. Not even your precious sinners want to be redeemed.
Anonymous No.150873860 [Report] >>150873875
>>150873833
They’re demons, it doesn’t matter why you kill them, eradicating evil is never bad. What are you going to say playing Doom is evil next?
Anonymous No.150873875 [Report] >>150873883
>>150873860
Is playing Wolfenstein evil?
Anonymous No.150873878 [Report] >>150873930
>>150873848
They are scum beyond earth. Lower than the lowest, and their “king” is lower than that.
Anonymous No.150873883 [Report] >>150873898
>>150873875
You tell me, you’re the one that said killing for entertainment was evil. But I can see you now have to use this to deflect from the fact you realized how retarded it was to defend demons.
Anonymous No.150873898 [Report] >>150873904
>>150873883
I'm sorry but... I can't take you seriously.
Anonymous No.150873903 [Report]
Earth is Hell and Heaven is Oblivion.
Anonymous No.150873904 [Report] >>150873934
>>150873898
If you didn’t take me seriously you wouldn’t have engaged in the first place. You’re saying this now because you failed and have to cope by wearing the facade of smugness. You’re beyond a clown.
Anonymous No.150873930 [Report] >>150873970 >>150873979 >>150873984 >>150874929 >>150887595 >>150888187
>>150873878
Lucifer did nothing wrong. He gave humans free will. Something christians claim God gave them.
Not his fault humans used their free will wrong. That design fault is on God. And what's stopping him from fixing it?
Anonymous No.150873934 [Report] >>150873968
>>150873904
Yes or no, do you think playing Wolfenstein is evil?
Anonymous No.150873968 [Report] >>150873999
>>150873934
Why would I? You’re the one who said killing for entertainment was evil so clearly you think it is. Funny how you changed tune the second your bullshit gets called out. And the best you can muster is to just double down on a question that fucks you over.
Anonymous No.150873970 [Report] >>150874017
>>150873930
>He gave humans free will.
They already had free will, otherwise they couldn't have chosen to eat the apple. I swear you just spam retarded, ignorant shit like this just to get a rise.
Anonymous No.150873979 [Report] >>150874017 >>150874929
>>150873930
Erm actually, in the bible the forbidden fruit didn't grant free will but knowledge of good and evil. They always had free will otherwise they wouldn't be able to make the choice to eat the fruit despite God's warning.
Anonymous No.150873984 [Report] >>150874017
>>150873930
Lucifer did not give free will. He manipulated it. That is all he can do is manipulate and lie. It is not a flaw, it is something that one must live with and learn. We are ultimately responsible for our choices and trying to pretend that we are not is what leads to the fall. But of course you need to act like it’s everyone else’s fault.
Anonymous No.150873999 [Report] >>150874004 >>150874007 >>150874010
>>150873968
Whatever, killing demons is still murder, friend. : )
Anonymous No.150874004 [Report] >>150874026
>>150873999
It’s not, and you failed to argue how it was. You’re just being passive aggressive to cope.
Anonymous No.150874007 [Report] >>150874018
>>150873999
Technically no because the commandment against murder refers to law between human beings, it does not apply to nonhumans such as animals or demons
Anonymous No.150874010 [Report]
>>150873999
Actually, it's more like an executioner carrying out capital punishment to a death row inmate.
Anonymous No.150874017 [Report] >>150874023 >>150874028 >>150874041
>>150873970
>>150873979
>>150873984
Em actually, in Episode 1 and Episode 5 it says that Lucifer gave humans free will.
No need to get upset about it. It's just a cartoon.
Anonymous No.150874018 [Report] >>150874041
>>150874007
You're retarded.
Anonymous No.150874023 [Report]
>>150874017
Bullshit. And you’re the one defending fictional demons and crying that them being killed is murder.
Anonymous No.150874026 [Report] >>150874035
>>150874004
I believe they’re trying to tell you that the actions Adam took were not out of a desire to actually do the right thing.

Adam is using the excuse of them being demons to do bad shit. Doesn’t matter how grave somebody’s sins are, the extermination was made to attack with reckless abandon.

I mean, I’m pretty sure they show a scene with a kid getting killed by the exorcists. If they really had Hell’s best interests at heart, they’d be going after overlords only.
Anonymous No.150874028 [Report] >>150874038
>>150874017
>believing that Luciferian propaganda
Your father lied to you about Eden, Charlie.
Anonymous No.150874035 [Report] >>150874094
>>150874026
Yeah that doesn’t matter. They’re demons. It doesn’t matter why or for what reason they’re killed. It will always be virtuous and justified. They’re made from pure evil.
Anonymous No.150874038 [Report] >>150874045 >>150874047
>>150874028
Why would he lie to his precious daughter?
Anonymous No.150874041 [Report] >>150874053 >>150874071
>>150874018
I accept your concession
>>150874017
>thinking that wasn't just propaganda Lucifer taught Charlie as cope
I'm laughin
Anonymous No.150874045 [Report]
>>150874038
He’s the father of lies
Anonymous No.150874047 [Report]
>>150874038
>Why would the prince of lies lie?
Anonymous No.150874053 [Report] >>150874067
>>150874041
Dang you gave up quick.
Anonymous No.150874064 [Report]
>>150873641
>its all shit no matter where you go
Grim
Anonymous No.150874067 [Report] >>150874073
>>150874053
I'm still waiting for a counter argument
Anonymous No.150874071 [Report] >>150874075
>>150874041
Christianity is a cope.
Anonymous No.150874073 [Report]
>>150874067
You won’t get one. He’s just going to be flippant and pretend he doesn’t care to cope.
Anonymous No.150874075 [Report] >>150874120
>>150874071
Seethe harder, LOSEifer.
Anonymous No.150874094 [Report] >>150874100 >>150874108 >>150874140 >>150877333
>>150874035
But they’re not “pure evil”. They were humans in their past lives who fucked up, and *have* the capability to become better people. That’s the moral of the show-Redemption.

And by just condemning someone without giving that person the opportunity to redeem themselves, you can’t exactly say “Well, we tried.” They were going after children.

That’s why Adam is the bad guy.
Anonymous No.150874100 [Report] >>150874134 >>150874143
>>150874094
They were explicitly given a choice before death
Anonymous No.150874108 [Report] >>150874143
>>150874094
Hell isn't the place for changing your ways. Earth is.
Anonymous No.150874120 [Report] >>150885252
>>150874075
Lucifer is the light, he shines on all of us with his glory.
Anonymous No.150874134 [Report] >>150874155
>>150874100
Yeah, people fail. People choose to go down the wrong path, and they get punished.

But if given the oppurtunity to redeem themselves-you know, the plot of the show-some of them choose to become better people.

Without that opportunity, how can you expect them to become better? If you just give up on someone after they wronged you once, how can you expect them to learn from their mistakes?
Anonymous No.150874140 [Report] >>150874158
>>150874094
They are, their humanity is gone and their souls have been tainted by sin. It is why they are in hell. Damnation is not an easy thing to achieve one must bask in their sin to go to hell.
Anonymous No.150874143 [Report] >>150874165
>>150874100
>>150874108
Sir Pentious literally proves you can be redeemed after death.
Anonymous No.150874155 [Report] >>150874190
>>150874134
They had that chance on Earth when they were alive and they didn’t take it. Hell is the consequence they face.
> Without that opportunity, how can you expect them to become better
They don’t and won’t because they missed the opportunity. They’re demons, they failed and are in Hell because of it.
Anonymous No.150874158 [Report] >>150874181
>>150874140
They have humanity, though. They’re still humans. They remember their past, the actions they took. They follow moral codes. They didn’t forget who they are, and I doubt they forget their mistakes.
Anonymous No.150874165 [Report] >>150877563 >>150878060
>>150874143
He doesn’t, he proves that there is something seriously wrong happening.
Anonymous No.150874181 [Report]
>>150874158
They’re not, they once were but their souls have descended and were corrupted by their sin. That’s why they all look like that and not as they did when they were alive. They are marked by their sins and are demons.
Anonymous No.150874190 [Report] >>150874206
>>150874155
But they recognize their mistakes. “It starts with Sorry”? Remember?

They have the ability to acknowledge their failures and faults.
Anonymous No.150874197 [Report] >>150874208
Abel's fat boybussy
Anonymous No.150874206 [Report] >>150874237
>>150874190
No, they could have done that on earth. They’re not sorry they did it they’re sorry that they are facing the consequences of their actions. It’s easy for someone to beg for the mercy they never gave when a gun is put to their head .
Anonymous No.150874208 [Report]
>>150874197
I want to fuck him.
Anonymous No.150874213 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
I've never seen this show, but I've masturbated so much to her it's insane. How does she manage to be so incredibly cute and sexy at the same time?
Anonymous No.150874237 [Report] >>150874289
>>150874206
But it’s very clear it wasn’t just out of desperation. It was very clear her knew he fucked up.

If he really didn’t care about becoming better, he would’ve just as easily accepted his fate. Or just start fighting at the nearest opportunity.
Anonymous No.150874239 [Report]
What about alternates? Is it evil to kill them?
Anonymous No.150874259 [Report] >>150874299 >>150874370 >>150874643 >>150874951 >>150897438
>premise of the show is Charlie trying to find a way to redeem sinners
>Sir Pentious proves it's possible
>autists screeching about how the premise of the show is impossible despite it being proven that it is possible
Anonymous No.150874289 [Report] >>150874376 >>150874381
>>150874237
After he was in the bad place where bad people go and he was forced to realized what a shit head he was. That’s not learning, he did not come to some realization, he was forced to, and even then he did not change he still basked in his sin. The contrived nature of the show only allowed him out because that is what is required for the plot. He did not think he was wrong due to true self reflection but because he was made to. That is not the path to redemption, that is being reminded you’re scum. And feeling sorry for yourself post hoc isn’t making amends or moving forward. All that he has done will never be undone and all that he is will always be corrupt his soul is tainted, if it were not he would have never been in Hell in the first place.
Anonymous No.150874299 [Report]
>>150874259
This show is as subtle as a fucking SWAT team, and people still miss the point
Anonymous No.150874316 [Report] >>150874398
By this retarded illogic, it's just as right and righteous for demons to slaughter winners. They're not beings of will or reason, they just do what they perceive as 'good'. Going the way you're presenting it, you shouldn't feel any different putting a sword through one of those NPC's than any other. It's not like they have the conscious choice to make mistakes or have disagreements, they're just predestined non-entities. Fact of the matter is that eternal punishment for finite offenses is sociopathic. Should redemption take a fuckton longer and be damn near unreasonably arduous for certain sins? Yep, and nobody serious is arguing otherwise. But at the point where someone will continue to behave as well adjusted and moral as any winner compared side by side, saying that they then still deserve eternal punishment is just you deserving to be in hell for being a pointlessly vindictive freak.
Anonymous No.150874349 [Report]
I will NEVER side with demons, Viv.
Anonymous No.150874370 [Report] >>150874430 >>150874456 >>150875026
>>150874259
>I can’t argue about how it’s good so i will say it’s right from a meta level
Okay, let’s examine the shoe from a meta level then if you want to go down that route. It is set within the Abrahamic cosmology and takes inspirations from outside works such as the Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost. However what it fails to have is that it take a middle portion of the Divine Comedy (Purgatorio/Purgatory) out of the equation while saying that Hell is just a place where sinners go and not necessarily eternal punishment. Now that in of itself would be fine, South Park did something like that 20 years ago. However the issue lies with making Heaven an oppressive/tyrannical force which is fundamentally against the cosmology itself given that for it to work God, Jesus, and all the others are THE force of good and virtue. To go against that wreaks havoc. So in the ends this falls into edgy fan fic tier shit made by someone that is bitter about having to go to church on Sunday. This cannot be escaped or ignored. Now before you whine about autism remember you’re the one that wanted to get meta and this is a fucking board for the discussion of cartoons and comics. You don’t get to cry autism when people say shit you don’t like.
Anonymous No.150874376 [Report] >>150874431
>>150874289
>being forced to confront your flaws isn't the same as confronting your flaws
A lot of words to say you're a retard.
Anonymous No.150874381 [Report] >>150874447
>>150874289
Yeah, he *was* a bad person. He *did bask in his sin. He *did* a lot of bad things.

He also learned from his actions. He acknowledged the bad things he did, and focused on becoming a better person. And he was rewarded with redemption.

Some people need to face consequences for their actions, before they’re willing to become better people. It might sound like a shitty excuse, but believe me, it’s a thing.

Also, the runtime and number of episodes kinda limited character development, and also way too many characters being introduced.
Anonymous No.150874398 [Report] >>150874463
>>150874316
Your moral relativistic bullshit does not exist in this scenario since there are absolute goods and evils. Pretending otherwise is just delusional. The demons are physical embodiments of sin and evil. Lust, pride, greed, envy, wrath, that is what they are and why they are saturated in. To act like a being such as that is righteous is either delusional or dishonest. They are the beings whose role is to make people do terrible things, literal agents of inequity.
Anonymous No.150874406 [Report] >>150874411 >>150874418 >>150874440 >>150874491
Is she hellborn or a sinner?
Anonymous No.150874411 [Report]
>>150874406
sinner
Anonymous No.150874418 [Report]
>>150874406
Her character’s still shrouded in mystery, but I’m pretty sure she’s a sinner.
Anonymous No.150874430 [Report] >>150874464
>>150874370
Jesus doesn't exist in Hazbin Hotel.
Anonymous No.150874431 [Report]
>>150874376
>no counter
Alright I give it in a way you’ll understand better. If your dad makes you apologize for something then you’re not really apologizing. So if someone makes you examine all you have done you’re not actually learning you’re being forced to see it. You have to get their yourself, it’s a big part of why they’re in Hell, they could not do it themselves. They had to have someone feed the all their wrongs before they could really get it. They knew what they did before, they were aware of the hurt they caused. But only after they faced consequences do they all of a sudden cry out for mercy.
Anonymous No.150874440 [Report] >>150874511
>>150874406
She deserves head pats.
Anonymous No.150874447 [Report] >>150874499
>>150874381
He didn’t, if he learned then he would not have gone to Hell. He is only doing that because Hell is a shitty place and not because he has learned the error of his ways.
>Some people need to face consequences for their actions, before they’re willing to become better people
No, because then they’re compromised. They do not do it because they have seen the error of their ways but because they do not want to be punished.
Anonymous No.150874456 [Report] >>150874510
>>150874370
Ignoring the actual events in the show to cry about how it doesn't follow Christian theology exactly is the same kind of autism that had Star Wars autists trying to explain why stormtroopers are poor shots despite Leia explicitly telling Han that the Empire let them escape.
Anonymous No.150874463 [Report] >>150874475
>>150874398
>absolute goods and evils

Pentious. Your turn.
Anonymous No.150874464 [Report]
>>150874430
If he didn’t Peter wouldn’t be there or Peter.
Anonymous No.150874475 [Report] >>150874549
>>150874463
Contrived bullshit which throws logic to the wind.
Anonymous No.150874491 [Report]
>>150874406
She's either Lilith or Roo.

Cannibals are a bit of a sore spot, as you'd think they'd be Sinners, but they also have children and babies, which fucks things up a bit as Vivziepop previously said that Sinners can't procreate and kids don't go to Hell. If we are to believe kids could go to Hell, that brings up one problem however; we see plenty of Sinner infants in the show, a lot of them being cannibals; however babies don't have teeth and thus they could not have commited the sin of cannibalism, nor could they commit any sin period, so they wouldn't be able to go to Hell.

It seems Sinners can just reproduce. It's also worth noting Rosie is shown being able to give a Sinner like Alastor an unusual high tremendous amount of power and work with him while he was still alive. Clearly, she is not a Sinner, so I'm more leaning to Hellborn (but with her possibly being Lilith/Roo, more likely to a fallen angel of sorts.).
Anonymous No.150874499 [Report] >>150874522
>>150874447
But he did. He got *redeemed* for a reason. He became a better person. That meant he learned the error of his ways, and fixed it.

And some people do choose to enjoy the sinful shit, but it’s very clear they are the most evil of all. The Vees serve as a foil to the Hotel.

And like I said, some people don’t have the knowledge on how to self-reflect. Some people need help in acknowledging their mistakes. Sure, some people might say “sorry” just as an out, but that’s not always the case.

This is kinda what the show’s about.
Anonymous No.150874503 [Report]
This show is literally just doing what Disney’s Hercules and Xena did to Greek Mythology but to Christian Mythology
It’s just an urban fantasy story about free will and romance
Anonymous No.150874510 [Report] >>150874528
>>150874456
No I’m pointing out why the show is poorly made from a meta perspective, it is not simply about following theology but in how the most basic ideas are ignored and just used to be made for fan fiction shit. Which would be fine if it was just a silly show, but when characters preach on the nature of evil and how the system is “unfair” then it becomes an issue. Like I said South Park did this shit, but it doesn’t try to have some pseudo intellectual debate on the nature of Heaven and Hell.
Anonymous No.150874511 [Report]
>>150874440
Careful. She might bite your hand.
Anonymous No.150874522 [Report] >>150874556
>>150874499
He didn’t, you can say that that is the case but the only reason he is there is because the plot demanded it. He has not become better because by the nature of the cosmology in which the story is set he cannot become better, his chance was missed.
Anonymous No.150874528 [Report] >>150874580
>>150874510
I feel like the greatest weakness is that the show doesn’t really have a pillar to hold the ideas together.

At times, the show want to tackle topics seriously. But also wants to be fun.

The show wants you to feel sad, but then laugh seconds later.

The tone shifts like Tokyo Drift
Anonymous No.150874549 [Report] >>150874594
>>150874475
Ah, so you're just going on a schizoid rant about your real-life fanfiction outside of the show's context. Cool. Cool.
Anonymous No.150874556 [Report] >>150874633
>>150874522
But this isn’t by the logic of our reality, and our understanding of the afterlife.

It’s VP’s setting for her show, and the cosmology is what she makes of it. It doesn’t go by the way you and I understand the religion.

You don’t see imps running around and clipping people in real life.
Anonymous No.150874580 [Report] >>150874607
>>150874528
Any mythology or cosmology that is used in media has to be made in a certain way to be good. It’s either serious or silly. Like you can have certain serious or silly shit in either but you have to be aware of how it affects the general story as well as the figures and rules of the cosmology. Like say you want to adapt Norse mythology. Now there is shit like Marvel’s Thor who is almost nothing like the actual Thor and the same goes for the rest of the Aesir. But let’s say you were making a show similar to HH set in the Norse cosmology. It would have various pivotal figures missing and try to re-characterize others. You would end up with something like Baldr being alive while Loki is still somehow bound.
Anonymous No.150874594 [Report]
>>150874549
You have no counter to what I said so you have to say I’m crazy to cope. Also I’m not a Christian, however if you’re going to make media set within/based on Abrahamic mythos and other works based in it at least get you shit right especially if you’re going to preach.
Anonymous No.150874607 [Report] >>150874640
>>150874580
Well, I don’t write the show. And I’m not a member of Spindlehorse. I don’t control how the system works, it’s how the writers made it to be.

Remember, this is the same universe that depicts Lucifer as a depressed twink with a rubber duck obsession.
Anonymous No.150874633 [Report] >>150874700
>>150874556
It is since the Abrahamic mythos exists within our reality. And just because Viv can’t put in the effort doesn’t mean that it’s okay or good.
>and the cosmology is what she makes of it
It’s not since she is ultimately basing on something that she didn’t make nor had any hand in making.
>You don’t see imps running around and clipping people in real life
But there is the Bible and other works both ecclesiastical and secular that tell and show how things are.
Anonymous No.150874640 [Report]
>>150874607
Their own lack of writing ability is self evident. The more they try to do serious endeavors and stories the more they will fail.
Anonymous No.150874643 [Report]
>>150874259
Well to be fair, characters in the show are fucking moronic about it too. The Speaker of God literally tells Sera in the second episode (which was leaked) that Sinners can redeem, only for Sera to flatout ignore this information and not know what to do other than seal Heaven.
Anonymous No.150874700 [Report] >>150874740
>>150874633
I’m not saying it’s okay. She could’ve done better research, or used another setting, but that’s on her, not me. I know she’s a bad writer, but she has somewhat of a point.

And I know it’s a biblically-based show, but you and I both know she takes a lot of liberties with the religious setting. It’s very inaccurate, to say the least.
Anonymous No.150874740 [Report] >>150874763
>>150874700
She done anything. The way things are present are childish and utterly amateur. Dante basically wrote self insert fan fiction where he punishes people he doesn’t like, meets his hero, and goes to Heaven with his waifu and it ended up becoming a classic due to how it presented itself and how it’s put together. None of this is here. This goes beyond liberties and into straight up incompetence willful or otherwise.
Anonymous No.150874763 [Report] >>150874800
>>150874740
Well, that’s the thing. As much as I’d have liked this show to be a really analytic understanding of good and evil, it’s a show with a bunch of singing twinks.

Though, I feel that the development of her work is severely hampered by the lack of episodes and runtime available. Maybe if she had a lot more episodes, we might actually see something Emmy-worthy.

I don’t write the show. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Anonymous No.150874800 [Report] >>150874843
>>150874763
And that’s the issue, it should have just been singing twinks, now discussion on the nature of good and evil, or Heaven and Hell, just singing twinks and people swearing and killing.
Anonymous No.150874843 [Report]
>>150874800
Yeah…. That’s really her Achilles heel.
She can’t exactly write the show without severe tonal whiplash, so when she tries to get serious about a topic, it feels really jarring.

For example, Moxxie’s mom getting killed and then dildos start popping up all over Crimson’s house.

She really doesn’t know how to pull that off at all.
Anonymous No.150874899 [Report] >>150874919 >>150874989
I fucking love Lucifer.
Anonymous No.150874919 [Report] >>150877919
>>150874899
I liked him until he said “Take that, Depression!”

That shit made my entire body cringe.
Anonymous No.150874929 [Report]
>>150873930
>>150873979
Milton Friedman is not biblical Canon (thus, neither is Hazbin ofc lmao) but still Charlie would definitely be heaven bound compared to any other hell soul in the show
Anonymous No.150874951 [Report]
>>150874259
the problem with "redeeming sinners" is that it doesn't work if Pentious turns out to be a dindu (as the leaks suggest) and it gets worse the more you think about it

>if Pentious really DID fuck up hard enough to go to Hell, then his "redemption" isn't really redemption because it hinges on self-sacrifice rather than actual reformation/repentance and healing for what he has done to others
>if Pentious DIDN'T do anything too bad to deserve being sent to Hell, then the process of self-sacrificial "redemption" comes across more like going around a systemic error/feature that still doesn't actually account for the people who DID deserve to go to Hell (what about their victims who are in Heaven: how is this fair to them?)
>it's all ultimately a moot point because Earth, Hell, and Heaven are shown as being all shitshows with different colors of paint so what's the point
Anonymous No.150874989 [Report] >>150875012 >>150875032
>>150874899
Hazbin Hotel's Stolas.
Anonymous No.150874990 [Report]
>>150870912
BTW I looked this up and Viv said the exact opposite
Anonymous No.150875012 [Report] >>150875058
>>150874989
Objection, Angel Dust exists
Anonymous No.150875026 [Report]
>>150874370
the problem with Vivziepop's fictional cosmology is that Vivzie doesn't want to involve basic Christian theology...which is fine (after all, lots of Hell stories don't really involve Christian theology) EXCEPT

>everything about Hazbin's worldbuilding screams Gnosticism (Hell is bad, but Heaven is imperfect/false) but Vivzie doesn't want to depict God in any shape or form (so we won't get the Monad or even the Demiurge, especially because Vivzie doesn't seem to even be aware that Gnosticism is a thing) so it can't function as a Gnostic tale
>Vivzie's refusal to include basic Christian theology contributes to it not working as a Gnostic tale (in any other story, the characters positively growing and making up for their bad deeds would be the key behind redemption) because "do good, don't do bad" is literally the foundation of Gnosticism and how self-liberation is achieved
Anonymous No.150875032 [Report]
>>150874989
Objectively wrong.
Anonymous No.150875058 [Report] >>150875064 >>150875087
>>150875012
Wrong, he's barely focused on at all. If he was, he would have taken over the show by now. It's pretty obvious Vivziepop favors VALENTINO over him by now.
Anonymous No.150875064 [Report] >>150875103
>>150875058
Well, what do you mean you say he’s “Hazbin’s Stolas”?
Anonymous No.150875078 [Report] >>150875086
>>150873730
>>150873775
>>150873744

Okay, from what I'm seeing, it's a sordid nonsense and ignorance to treat Heaven and Hell as if it were a type of class status or something similar... And frankly, I don't know if this is "coherent" with the show or it really helps to the plot.
Anonymous No.150875086 [Report]
>>150875078
I mean they try to present it as if being in heaven is some class/social shit.
Anonymous No.150875087 [Report] >>150875113
>>150875058
I mean... Valentino is so hot.
Anonymous No.150875103 [Report] >>150875118
>>150875064
>originally was supposed to be more of an antagonist, but then is made into one of the main characters
>takes over the roles of several characters, also making Alastor redundant
>is another high ranking demon lord who is a sad "didn't do anything wrong" type
>character is the same
>wife issues
>a twink
>has issues with daughter
Pretty much the only thing he doesn't have is him lusting over a lower class demon, but he is pretty zesty still.
Anonymous No.150875113 [Report]
>>150875087
I'm not even exaggerating;
>Viv gets pissed off at Valentino haters all of the time
>Barely talks about Angel Dust
>refers to Val, Vel and Vox as "her babies"
>wants to make a spinoff starring the three V's
Anonymous No.150875118 [Report] >>150875150
>>150875103
I agree on all those points, but I thought he was made to be more of a side character rather than antagonist. Though I really wouldn’t use Zesty as a measure when Angel Dust and Alastor are there.
Anonymous No.150875120 [Report]
Okay, how would you make a good demon cartoon show/movie?
Anonymous No.150875150 [Report] >>150875198 >>150921943
>>150875118
He was originally supposed to be more distant, aloof and colder to Charlie, IIRC; with him not being supportive of the hotel at all and also more interested in playing a more "eternal chess game" against Adam. Lilith was actually meant to be a helpful mother to Charlie, who actually would have been more supportive to the Hotel as well. Likewise, Adam originally had Sera's role and was meant to be a wiser, more sympathetic character (he also looked more like a dragon back then).

Funny how that is, really.
Anonymous No.150875198 [Report] >>150875228
>>150875150
So, some questions I have:

1. He was less of a pussy, and more aloof about the whole extermination thing?
2. If Lilith was meant to be there, why the fuck did they cut her out of everything?
3. If Adam was Sera, who was taking Adam’s role?
Anonymous No.150875228 [Report] >>150875235 >>150875238
>>150875198
1) Yeah, in fact, it was implied he had more of a hand in the Exterminations. He seemed more apathetic about it all if anything.
2) No idea. Vivzie just hates Lilith I guess.
3) Their didn't appear to be a Heaven antagonist at the time. The main villains were in fact just meant to be the Three V's from the start. The show also seemed more episodic, judging from early materials.
Anonymous No.150875235 [Report]
>>150875228
*There
Anonymous No.150875238 [Report] >>150875394
>>150875228
That honestly would’ve been a better version of Lucifer. Charlie going against her own dad and Heaven would be angst to the max.

But isn’t the show already episodic? I know it’s not as much, but were they stuck with a more Helluva Boss type episode structure?
Anonymous No.150875263 [Report] >>150875843 >>150876120
>>150870156 (OP)
Hazbin Hotel is the most Satanic sinister piece of work yet. The Hotel is a Satanic stand-in for Jesus as a way of "redemption" out of Hell and it's fucking nuts NO one has caught onto this. That and somehow Heaven is bad because of the retarded in-universe logic that still tracks somewhat with sin and sinners but makes Hell seem more like a sinners paradise with a "purge". Also, fpbp >>150870251
Anonymous No.150875283 [Report] >>150882095 >>150895741
>>150871861
>>150871899
>>150873689
"Go to Heaven for the climate, hell for the company,"
- Mark Twain
Anonymous No.150875394 [Report] >>150875467
>>150875238
Kind of? That's the thing, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss both feel like they want to do both an episodic show but also a show with a ongoing plot all at once. It's not very good at doing either also.
Anonymous No.150875467 [Report]
>>150875394
That explains a lot.
I just get so pissed off that she keeps trying to do all this complex shit with
>8 episodes
>3 hours
>And a cast the size of a fucking Smash Bros roster
This shit is killing me.
Anonymous No.150875843 [Report] >>150876120
>>150875263
Heaven isn't bad it's just that Adam guy
Anonymous No.150875976 [Report] >>150882140
>>150870251
How is redeeming sinners anti-christian again?
Anonymous No.150876074 [Report]
>>150873775
Yeah, the whole Hazbin Hotel inspired Lore is bullshit
Anonymous No.150876096 [Report] >>150919870
I miss tom trench and this bitch
Anonymous No.150876120 [Report] >>150876163
>>150875843
I hope you stop bad mouthing a sainted man or you're gonna go hell, you fucking heretic
>>150875263
You're right, buddy, this shitshow is garbage and tries to glamourize Satanism, very poorly though
Anonymous No.150876163 [Report] >>150876470
>>150876120
It's an edgy animation show nigga, I don't equate it to the real Bible or any Christian teaching, but many nu age Christians make the mistake of thinking Dante or Friedman is biblical Canon when they're not, neither is most of Hazbin, but it's a fact that I'd call Charlie a flawed Christian, literally nothing more Christian in spirit than redeeming the iredeemable, even Jesus forgave the j*ws and romans on the cross, I wouldn't call this show satanic that's just blowing it way out of proportion
Anonymous No.150876172 [Report] >>150876182 >>150882658
>came into the thread expecting sexy art of demon whore
>religious schizo babble for the 1000000th time
Fan-fucking-tas-tic.
Anonymous No.150876182 [Report]
>>150876172
I have some OC art a artist friend drew me for my bday of Charlie... But I'm at work... don't have it on phone :(
Anonymous No.150876470 [Report]
>>150876163
Yes, I know, Hell in the Holy Bible is very different from Hell in the Divine Comedy from Dante, in the Holy Bible, Hell is either an in infinite field always covered in myst or a massive dimensional glacier where you're stuck frozen getting filthy and icy sludge rained upon you in eternity, also, I know that is how Hell is depicted in both the Walten Files and the Gaslight, but I'm sure that both of those depictions are closer to the Hell depicted in the Bible than the Red, Neon and Pink Visual Diabetes Nightmare that is the Hell depicted in Hazbin Hotel, because at least in both of those the people stuck in there actually experience suffering, despair and torment and they don't get to keep indulging in their vices and evils
Anonymous No.150876617 [Report]
It's obvious Viv isn't trying to be accurate to any religion, so you can't assume anything about how the setting works based on religious texts.

On the other hand, there's so many retcons, contradictions and plot holes in the setting already that it's pointless trying to piece it together at all. There's no complete picture to find.
Anonymous No.150876682 [Report] >>150876716
>>150873196
What I'm getting from this is that Viv didn't actually say the show promotes satanism, you're just interpreting it that way?
Anonymous No.150876716 [Report]
>>150876682
I tried looking it up and she literally said the opposite that guy just had headcanon
Anonymous No.150876976 [Report] >>150887881
>>150871791
Long feet are sexy, man. But I don't care for the sweat and the redenned skin.
Anonymous No.150877333 [Report]
>>150874094
Don't waste your time arguing with these kinds of trolls. They don't actually believe what they're saying. I doubt they're even religious. They just want to start shit.
Anonymous No.150877387 [Report] >>150877480 >>150881888 >>150881966 >>150909863 >>150915432
>>150870962
Christcucks believe that everyone on earth is born a sinner. This is a fundamental belief of all major Christian denominations.
Anonymous No.150877411 [Report]
>>150871861
Hell may not be a vacation but its definitively not as horrible as it should be. For one thing the natural demons are AFRAID of mortal sinners. They are so intimidated by human souls being wicked that they need to seal them away in the pride ring because they would destroy the other rings with chaos.

And when you get down to it the only bad thing about being in Hell for this universe is the abuse of the overlords and even then, some of them are pretty hands off. They won't hunt you down to torment you like Husk when he was an overlord and Alastor also doesn't come after regular people much, he likes to target bigger fish as far as overlords go as his origin story explains. Basically if you stay away from overlords you can survive this hell easy, simply go off grid and stay under the radar of the antagonistic sinners.

And as Cherry Bomb showed you can form alliances to keep yourself safe.
Anonymous No.150877453 [Report]
>>150871899
Viv said her adaptation of Hell is meant to represent a prison but it doesn't work. This hell has internet, has video games, has porn, has non rape sex, it even has safe areas like cannibal town where if you fit in no one will hurt you because even Rosie explained that the cannibal community is pretty united.
Anonymous No.150877480 [Report]
>>150877387
If it makes you feel any better there is no afterlife. Its the curse of being a human, we are smart enough to know that once our lives end for any reason (being killed by a criminal, disease, accidents, etc) that's it. The lights go out and we return to the darkness. We go unconscious forever.
Anonymous No.150877506 [Report]
>>150870912
To be fair now most people don't have a good understanding of how Hell is. If we follow the bible Hell is actually.......empty. To be in Hell is to be permanently excommunicated from God. That's what it is.

The whole eternal burning and river of fire to torture sinners, that was invented later on. Funny enough even the Devil is not in Hell waiting for a new batch of sinners to torture either.
Anonymous No.150877519 [Report] >>150877635
>>150871615
She should be a nephilim but she isn't. If Charlie was a nephilim she would be giantess size.
Anonymous No.150877537 [Report]
>>150871362
Knowing Viv she would depict Jesus as a swearing machine. In scripture Jesus did interact with demons but he was rather diplomatic in how he conducted himself towards demons. The funny thing is the one time Jesus truly lost his temper and acted irrationally angry was towards the Pharisee merchants and we all know what that is about.
Anonymous No.150877542 [Report] >>150882243
>>150870306
>no one is born a sinner
What?? Have you even read the Bible? Let me guess, you're young Christian that joined an affirming, errancy-believing, liberal church.
We're all sinners, even from birth. That's why Christ came down to die for our sins so we can be forgiven. EVERYONE is a sinner, but nobody is unredeemable
Anonymous No.150877563 [Report]
>>150874165
Correct. The leaks proved that the system is wacky because it showed Pentious never did any crimes before he died.

The running theory is that Roo aka Root of all Evil is chaos and using her powers to influence who goes to Heaven and Hell.
Anonymous No.150877585 [Report]
Because of this show anyone else get curious about the afterlife? Is there an afterlife awaiting humans when they die?
Anonymous No.150877586 [Report] >>150877647
I think Valentino would be a great art teacher.
Anonymous No.150877635 [Report]
>>150877519
Nephilim is basically an abrahamic rebranding of demigods as well as giants. Most demigods are not giants.
The sons of god (Bene Elohim) that had relations with human women were most likely actual divine children of god originally, not angels like they later became. Quite likely the canaanite pantheon.
Anonymous No.150877647 [Report]
>>150877586
I'm just now noticing they all have the same exact body shape and the same exact Lego arms suits.
Anonymous No.150877919 [Report]
>>150874919
honestly, if you cringe easily this is the wrong show to watch
Anonymous No.150878060 [Report]
>>150874165
>I have no real argument, so I'm going to deflect to things being vaguely "wrong"
Anonymous No.150878266 [Report] >>150878362
Why yes, I am looking forward to seeing her again.
Anonymous No.150878362 [Report]
>>150878266
Bedhead Charlie is best Charlie
Anonymous No.150879193 [Report] >>150880094 >>150880369 >>150880560
>>150870156 (OP)
how come the fanfics of this show are so good?
Anonymous No.150880094 [Report]
>>150879193
Sex
Anonymous No.150880369 [Report] >>150881869 >>150882190
>>150879193
Name the ones you liked/read
Anonymous No.150880467 [Report] >>150880481 >>150881591
>Hell is full of nice people deserving redemption!
>like uh... a sodomite pimp
>a cannibal aristocrat
>voodoo necromancer
>sex crazed criminals
>and a delusion daughter who's about to commit the same sin her daddy did: overthrow Heaven
Noooooooooooooo those heckin angelinos are so chudlike!!!!!1!
Anonymous No.150880481 [Report]
>>150880467
Forgot the pic
Anonymous No.150880515 [Report]
>>150873740
nice anon nice
Anonymous No.150880560 [Report]
>>150879193
gimmie recs!
Anonymous No.150880565 [Report]
>>150873730
In the actual bible demons are literally just angels that got kicked out for siding with lucifer when he rebelled against God. Some even hang on to the same ranks and titles that had as angels (principalities and powers for example). They are judged as evil because of their actions not because of their birth.
Anonymous No.150881492 [Report]
>>150873536
Not sure what's dumber, that or "INNOCENT SINNERS"
Anonymous No.150881591 [Report] >>150881944 >>150883157 >>150884171
>>150880467
>sodomite pimp
Negative chance Val gets redeemed
>cannibal aristocrat
She's obviously Lilith/Eve in disguise
>voodoo necromancer
See first response
>sex crazed criminals
See first response
>a delusion daughter who's about to commit the same sin her daddy did: overthrow Heaven
Lucifer never attempted to overthrow Heaven in this continuity. He was expelled for giving Eve the apple. Charlie doesn't want to overthrow Heaven. Vox does.
You're retarded and a liar.
Anonymous No.150881596 [Report]
What is Vox was Chinese
Anonymous No.150881794 [Report] >>150882208 >>150882742 >>150882782 >>150890994
>>150873805
Anonymous No.150881869 [Report] >>150883037 >>150885677
>>150880369
one of them was uncle adam by akumakami64.
the most hilarious I read was aunty charlie's hotel by his_righteous_thunder.
another one was sweet dream, first man by homme_de_unatco.
I would add the best crack fic of this fucking series with beyond paradise but thats just obvious, shit is so bad is good.
now onto fancomic territory...
Project Nephilim by edo nova on pixiv
Comfortable lie by VRompecorazones on pixiv and it is in english.
Anonymous No.150881888 [Report]
>>150877387
How can a newborn be a sinner? Lil bro dindu nuffin literally
Anonymous No.150881944 [Report] >>150882090 >>150882201
>>150881591
nah, lilith clearly have rosie and alastor as her puppets, other than that everything is right on track.
also lucifer in a way never payed for the fuck up that was the fall and isn't stopping his daughter from truly making an even worse mistake.
in fact, I would love to ask charlie about why she hasn't made hell like heaven instead of essentially smuggling those pieces of shit upstairs.
Anonymous No.150881966 [Report]
>>150877387
>doesn't know they meant mind altering parasites with sins
christcucks do not even realize they are fake christians and that true christians are science inclined.
Anonymous No.150882090 [Report] >>150882242
>>150881944
>ask charlie about why she hasn't made hell like heaven
First you have to fix the people. Which is what her hotel is all about.
Besides, she really just wanted to stop the exterminations.
Anonymous No.150882095 [Report]
>>150875283
GO TO HEAVEN, AND TELL THE DEVIL I'M DRUNK
Anonymous No.150882103 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
Meh. Her pilot design was better. The red eyes and suit is trying too hard.
Anonymous No.150882140 [Report] >>150882216 >>150882478
>>150875976
It's more that its definition of redemption is as incomprehensible as its concept of sin is puerile.
Anonymous No.150882190 [Report]
>>150880369
personally i'm enjoying that Cain fic that anon post here, it's not perfect but it's interesting enough
Anonymous No.150882201 [Report] >>150882470
>>150881944
>pic
If Michael shows up he should be a dinosaur. Let lucifer have his rubber duckies, big bro knows where it's at.
Anonymous No.150882208 [Report]
>>150881794
Lol how only Vaggie is happy
Anonymous No.150882216 [Report] >>150882478
>>150882140
You got a problem with Webster's Dictionary?
Anonymous No.150882242 [Report] >>150882331
>>150882090
>First you have to fix the people.
I give her that 30% of all beings in hell will be redeemed by her, the other 70%? Yeah nah, worst of all they now pose a threat to creation too.
>Which is what her hotel is all about.
viv ruined indirectly that shit with adam being introduced too early and dying too early, as in thr words of certain chill skeleton..."do you think even the worst people can change? that everyone can be a good person if they just try?." that was what hazbin hotel should be about and by itself it would have worked, just get the sinners in and let both successes and failures sharpen charlie up, it was too soon.
>Besides, she really just wanted to stop the exterminations.
congrats she did it, she saved the city!...now what to do with the overpopulation problem? and what to do with the future archfiends? and what about those evil souls that will ruin the last place left in creation that has true peace? if heaven becomes like hell via conquer then whats the point in redemption and going to heaven?
Anonymous No.150882243 [Report] >>150882389 >>150882478 >>150885607
>>150877542
It will always come down to the fact that the average normie and even the average Christian still interprets the concept of hell far more by pop culture depictions rather than what the bible actually says
>Well, so God sorta leaves your soul which just naturally results in suffering due to separation from god and therefore from good
>When the final judgement happens you will be made to face the weight of your sins and feel the remorse you denied in life, again, a lot of suffering
>At the end of time, after the final judgement you're thrown into a fire which destroys your soul and you cease to exist.
>Satan will be thrown into that fire too, for now he's running about the earth whispering sin into the ear of man.
That's it, that's what it is in the Bible. Pretty much 90% of Hell and Satan lore is just fanfic and the issue is even most churches still seem to allude to that pop-culture version. It's only now that the internet is around that people are learning that's not the case.
Anonymous No.150882331 [Report] >>150882610
>>150882242
>I give her that 30% of all beings in hell will be redeemed by her
That's good enough to stop the exterminations.
Especially because it doesn't just decrease Hell's population, it also increases Heaven's.

Remember, this was all about Heaven feeling threatened by Hell's population size. There's no actual overpopulation problem within Hell itself.
Seems like a condemnation of Heaven that they're not getting enough good people from Earth. Maybe work on that shit instead of killing people in Hell.
Anonymous No.150882389 [Report] >>150882524
>>150882243
>Pretty much 90% of Hell and Satan lore is just fanfic
Let me tell you a secret. Don't tell anyone.
The stuff in the bible is fanfic too. Especially Revelation. Can't believe that shit made it through the council. Should have been thrown out with the stories of baby Jesus taming a Dragon in a cave.
Anonymous No.150882470 [Report]
>>150882201
if michael likes dinosaurs...then both uriel and gabriel definitely like trains, one for the function and the other for the speed.
Anonymous No.150882478 [Report] >>150882542 >>150882620 >>150883298
>>150882140
>>150882216
It's pretty much this. Christianity operates on two core concepts
>You get one life on Earth
>Since we all have limited time on Earth and life is so unpredictable, redemption is an impossible concept by acts alone, you could start changing as a person while having limited power to act on those changes. What do we do with the changed heart of a rapist or a murderer when the consequences are what happens to his soul for all of known eternity?
For this reason, redemption in the context of Christianity is very strictly between you and God who intrinsically knows what is in your heart.
This is why the only truly unforgivable sin is "sin unto death", ignoring your conscious, running from your humanity, rejecting guilt or remorse instead of using it to change or atone before God.
Which brings us to this >>150882243
Hazbin is very different in that the soul is still conscious within hell. The big stasis before the final judgement is thrown out the window. In the biblical context, hell is something that happens when, independent of how you acted, you completely reject good unto death and commit to your sinful ways. In the context of the show, hell is the specific life you lived and actions regardless of whether or not you felt genuine remorse and atonement before God.
It sounds ridiculous to some but look at it like this, how you atone before man and how you atone before god are two different avenues. A murderer who atones before Christ is still a murderer who has to serve his sentence but if he's genuinely atoned then how do we deal with him in the context of all eternity? Is his act of violence truly much worse than other killers like soldiers who we opt to forgive? These are things viewed by the perspective of God who sees things less relatively than we do but has far more capacity for forgiveness than us.
That's redemption in the Christian context and it's a pretty far cry from what we'd consider typical redemption (redeeming acts)
Anonymous No.150882524 [Report] >>150882638
>>150882389
My favorite part is learning how much of the Old Testament is just the Hebrews blatantly slandering neighboring tribes and city states they didn't get along with.
The "descendants of Cain" are literally just the neighboring Canaanites
Anonymous No.150882542 [Report] >>150882598 >>150910084
>>150882478
Christianity is just really shortsighted about the afterlife. It's just
>eternal happiness
>eternal suffering
>don't ask questions
They don't treat the afterlife like living.
This show forces the viewer to face the question of why sin and forgiveness suddenly don't matter in the afterlife. Something that never made any sense because the point was only ever to control the living.
Anonymous No.150882598 [Report] >>150882676
>>150882542
I'm not debating you fully on that but there's kind of a reason.
When looking at the historicity of the Bible, the New Testament only starts to take place after the Second Temple period which can be seen in how the Old Testament seems to exclusively use the Sheol translation, literally "the grave". As weird as it sounds the Hebrews were kinda just starting out on developing what the fuck the afterlife looks like by the time the New Testament even takes place, which is why you have passages of Jesus telling his disciples about Heaven and Hell, because word of it is really just starting to spread
Anonymous No.150882610 [Report]
>>150882331
the issue here is time and incompetence from both heaven and hell anon.
one, we wouldn't have sinners if lucifuck didn't gave eve the apple but thats already done...and heaven didn't help on earth.
so how many sinners in her hotel are honestly trying to get better? also how the hell will she pull off the numbers when she just succeeded with sir pentious, and the snake fuck did it by actually trying and desiring to be a better person.
by the time charlie manages to reach her goal, heaven will be no more than another hell due to +70% of evil sinners rampaging heaven and trying to conquer it...archfiends will rise and become powerful enough to harm seraphims.
if anything, things are worse now than before.
Anonymous No.150882620 [Report] >>150882671
>>150882478
not to be /pol/ here but check this little tidbit left by our jewish friends.
Anonymous No.150882638 [Report]
>>150882524
Friendly reminder that the Canaanites are the ones the Israelites were at war with for the "Promised Land". In other words the Israelites invaded and stole their land.

My favorite story is the one where Noah had a son named Ham. One day Noah passed out naked and drunk in his tent. Understandable given he just survived the end of the world. Ham noticed and covered Noah with a blanket. For inexplicable reasons this made Noah furious and he cursed Ham's bloodline for all eternity. Guess what Ham's son was named. That's right it was Canaan. This whole fucking thing was supposedly started by a son giving his drunk-ass father a blanket.
Anonymous No.150882658 [Report] >>150882909
>>150876172
That's literally 70% of all boards on the cuck nowadays. Christians need their own containment board and get banned on site like horse show fans
Anonymous No.150882671 [Report] >>150882728 >>150884520
>>150882620
Oh this isn't much a secret anon. A huge facet of Judaism was their oral tradition and determining what was and wasn't really canon.
Writing stuff down and creating a definitive canon was still a controversy by the time of Christ itself. Hell it was a core argument between him and the Pharisees
Anonymous No.150882676 [Report] >>150882722 >>150884520
>>150882598
Pretty sure Jesus just stole the idea from Hades.
Keep in mind this was all written during Roman occupation.
Anonymous No.150882722 [Report]
>>150882676
Probably not Jesus directly but you are partially right. What you're disregarding here is the roughly 200 years between the old and new testament in which the Jews and the Greeks had an increased rate of cultural exchange which is believed to have heavily influenced the Hebrew teachings and way of life by the time of Christ's birth.
Anonymous No.150882728 [Report] >>150882816
>>150882671
That explains why nobody wrote dick about Jesus while he was fucking alive. Not until decades later.
Anonymous No.150882742 [Report] >>150883001 >>150914219
>>150881794
If I was God in this shit ass trash show, this is the moment where I go ''Oh yeah! You do that to my kid?, I'm dropping the Holy Nukes, but before that, I'm gonna blast certain song in the embassy, because if all those sinners are you family, you little antichrist brat, you sure will be delighted to know that You Will All Go Together When You Go!''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs&list=RDfrAEmhqdLFs&start_radio=1
Anonymous No.150882782 [Report]
>>150881794
My hate for Vivzie and her gaggle of hyenas in typewriters knows no limits
Anonymous No.150882816 [Report] >>150888482
>>150882728
ironically it was the romans who wrote of him.
Anonymous No.150882898 [Report] >>150883538
My headcanon about Gabriel is that he's holding heaven together in the absence of god kinda like Big E and the golden throne and this is why he left Sera in charge of what happens in heaven and hell.
Anonymous No.150882909 [Report]
>>150882658
...wait I thought /x/ was the containment board and as matter of fact why didn't moot never made /reg/ at all?
fuck man, anyways on another note why did viv say lilith had a nicky minaj type of voice? lilith strikes me as a tj davis type of singer.
and eve strikes me as a Iiana flores type of singer.
Anonymous No.150883001 [Report] >>150886744
>>150882742
too basic and edgy, no anon, if you ever find in that position or god was present then believe me that the appropiate response is going machiavelli on steroids and troll the shit out of them until you drive them crazy.
also literally make them be observers in a new creation with adam having a factory reset with the exception of wisdom acquired then make them see how the world would be better with an unfallen humanity and adam third(first) wife in charge.
then leave the current world in darkness and chaos via letting them make their own messes and have such fuck ups be a permanent thing.
Anonymous No.150883037 [Report]
>>150881869
Good Taste
Anonymous No.150883071 [Report] >>150883398 >>150884322
>>150870156 (OP)
I fucking hate her
she's such a bad character and all she deserves is to be raped 24/7 in her own personal hell
Anonymous No.150883157 [Report]
>>150881591
the weird thing about Val is he loses redemption entirely because his antics were on screen and crossed the threshold.
What interests me is like, are they literally just gonna do it that the "irredeemable" stuff is gonna be the sexual nature? What do we do with the literal serial killing cannibal who for all of Val's antics, has done something far more sociopathic?
Hell, I'm willing to bet they made Alastor ace to sidestep around the implications of how most serial killers act on demented sexual urge.
Anonymous No.150883298 [Report]
>>150882478
Not reading all that.
The series obviously isn't based on standard Christianity. It uses it as a framework in the same way anime uses it to be foreign and fake symbolic.
Turn down the autism.
Anonymous No.150883398 [Report] >>150884322
>>150883071
HEY AND I SHOULD BE THE ONE RAPING HER
Anonymous No.150883413 [Report]
>>150871027
>charlie dies
>goes to heaven
i'd watch
Anonymous No.150883538 [Report]
>>150882898
I so want Michael or Metatron to appear and lay down some law
Anonymous No.150884171 [Report] >>150885545
>>150881591
Sorry I made you upset, do you need your SSRIs?
Anonymous No.150884322 [Report] >>150911145
>>150883071
>>150883398
lets say she...is used to rape way too much.
Anonymous No.150884520 [Report] >>150886219
>>150882671
>>150882676
There's also the hell equivalent Duzakh from the persian religion, which they also would have had interactions with.
Complete with an evil satan figure in Ahriman.
Anonymous No.150885252 [Report]
>>150874120
Stole that shit from Apollo.
Anonymous No.150885545 [Report] >>150889452
>>150884171
>no counterargument
Thanks for your concession
Anonymous No.150885607 [Report]
>>150882243
The really ironic thing is that this description of Hell is infinitely more terrifying than the standard Fire & Brimstone version.
Anonymous No.150885677 [Report] >>150885891 >>150885971
>>150881869
>An Arrangement was Made
Didn't read it, but loled over the apparent beef between the author and AkumaKAmi64. If anyone wants to read "Pro-Adam" or "Adam Agenda" fics then AkumaKami64 is your best bet. Hoping he updates the one where Adam gets reset to Eden and decides to fuck off soon.

>Beyond Paradise
I stopped reading at the gay sex chapter. I like his other fic about Adam actually enjoying Hell as a sinner.
Anonymous No.150885891 [Report] >>150886095
>>150885677
I began to read the beef and the sheer absurdity is making my sides go to orbit.
I didn't even perceive such a thing since the last thing on my mind is reading comments and shit.
Anonymous No.150885971 [Report] >>150886095
>>150885677
>I stopped reading at the gay sex chapter.
ah yes, the michael one...at least you didn't get invested enough to persist, at this point I just want to see how the whole thing with charlie will end.
>I like his other fic about Adam actually enjoying Hell as a sinner.
same, but I believe that what we lack is a fic were adam finally finds peace and jusy chillax in some beach on envy.
I would love to see a retired old man adam just enjoying life with zero fucks to give, even more delicious if his absence is causing shit to become chaotic.
Anonymous No.150886015 [Report] >>150886041 >>150886103 >>150886685
Why can't we just have normal threads?
Anonymous No.150886041 [Report] >>150886109
>>150886015
Shut up, faggot
Anonymous No.150886095 [Report]
>>150885891
Funny thing is though, A03 comment sections are usually hug boxes and encouragement. FF is the site where everyone is just a massive cunt or Indian scammer.

>>150885971
Yeah, I haven't found anything like that where Adam just enjoys his peaceful life. There is Adam gives up by Sigilate_Shik, but it's more bittersweet.
Anonymous No.150886103 [Report]
>>150886015
In a hellverse thread? NO WAY!
Anonymous No.150886109 [Report]
>>150886041
No
Anonymous No.150886219 [Report] >>150886540
>>150884520
A lot of Persian influence is there. Like you said, Zoroastrianism.
What gets really insane is when you learn the Yahweh lore. And that all these demons are just members of the canaanite pantheon
Anonymous No.150886540 [Report]
>>150886219
It's like if a sect of Ares (yahweh) worshipers decided they were going to worship Ares exclusively in preparation for a war. (promised land) So they banned worship of every other Greek god. Including Ares' lover Aphrodite (asherah). This causes a schizm in their own sect so they butcher the half of their own camp that wanted to stay polytheistic. (golden calf incident) And then they declare all the Roman gods to be demons. (baal)
Anonymous No.150886685 [Report] >>150886699
>>150886015
Why can’t Viv make a good show?
Anonymous No.150886699 [Report]
>>150886685
She's an idea gal. She needs someone to reign in her autism and do most of the writing for her.
Anonymous No.150886744 [Report]
>>150883001
>going machiavelli on steroids and troll the shit out of them until you drive them crazy
That’s more an Odin thing. If it were Old Testament God then it would be as the other anon said full on fire and brimstone, heavenly host going down and pulling clean up. New Testament god would most likely just send JC down and have him sort of explain why they can’t be redeemed. Probably have an infographic and everything, and when they will rage and try to attack him only for his aura and presence to be like a mix of flash bang and fear toxin.
Anonymous No.150886769 [Report] >>150886791
>>150873775
This implies angels and demons are souls being judged, rather than just the staff at their respective domains. Get back to work and stop singing.
Anonymous No.150886791 [Report] >>150886799 >>150886894
>>150886769
Lucifer definitely got judged.
Anonymous No.150886799 [Report] >>150886818
>>150886791
That’s because he fucked up and went full retard.
Anonymous No.150886818 [Report] >>150886886
>>150886799
I accept your apology.
Anonymous No.150886886 [Report] >>150886960
>>150886818
Being an adult means you don’t get pissy and act like a passive aggressive manchild when you’re proven wrong. He was kicked out of heaven, not damned after death.
Anonymous No.150886894 [Report]
>>150886791
He got reassigned.
Anonymous No.150886960 [Report] >>150887457
>>150886886
I was just making a funny reference, but you're probably too young to get it.
Anonymous No.150887457 [Report]
>>150886960
Calling me underaged after I call you a manchild. How predictable.
Anonymous No.150887595 [Report]
>>150873930
Christ, this is why I hate faggot shows like this. Because it makes retards who think they know what they are talking about but don't
Anonymous No.150887881 [Report]
>>150876976
Why do you think she's airing them out? She doesn't either.
Anonymous No.150888187 [Report]
>>150873930
I don't know if this is ragebait or a legit retard.
Anonymous No.150888482 [Report]
>>150882816
Yeah, and it was the Romans with one of the longest and greatest influential empires. There was a Youtube video that went over ancient history and apparently Rome had the highest literacy rates of the ancient world. Something like 20 to 25% could read. That and Rome was on the road to early Pre-Industrializtion.
Anonymous No.150889403 [Report]
>>150873775
HER OWN FATHER is an angel cast from Heaven.
HER OWN FATHER.

That is how abysmal the IQ of this show is.
Anonymous No.150889452 [Report] >>150890970
>>150885545
I'm not gonna bother wrestling with an aspie screaming in his own shit. You can have fun diddling yourself with your tranny demon show
Anonymous No.150889556 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
She is, she really is.
Anonymous No.150889603 [Report] >>150889609 >>150890953
>>150870156 (OP)
Glitch tourist here, is this show any good? Does most of the entertainment stem from "hehe funny bad word" or is there actual depth to the show? People keep recommending it, but it is hard to want to give it a chance after seeing this.
>My name is Caine and I am your bitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsL1OgmjLN8
Anonymous No.150889609 [Report]
>>150889603 (me)
I would also like an excuse to bully Stolasfag outside of the TADC general.
Anonymous No.150890058 [Report]
APOLOGIZE
Anonymous No.150890953 [Report]
>>150889603
catchy songs, good animation are the main thing. personally, i'm completely desensitized to bad words because of 4chan, but there's a few good jokes
Anonymous No.150890970 [Report]
>>150889452
Why are you obsessed with feces? That's a little odd.
Anonymous No.150890982 [Report] >>150892583 >>150893445
>>150872183
He's a Sinner, a Human turned Demon.
Anonymous No.150890994 [Report] >>150891377 >>150891892 >>150893899
>>150881794
So why does Lute blame Charlie for Adam's Death when it was Nifty who killed him? Hell, Charlie actually saved Adam's life from Lucifer.
Anonymous No.150891377 [Report] >>150893325
>>150890994
It's what you do when you're the boss and your operation relies on loyalty.

If Nifty killed him, she did it for Charlie's benefit. If Lute came to collect, Charlie would protect Nifty. If Charlie went 'LOL it's all on her don't drag me into this', her enterprise would fail.
Anonymous No.150891892 [Report] >>150893325
>>150890994
Niffty was a living weapon operated by Charlie. Charlie didn't call her off when she asked Lucifer to spare him, so it's her fault.
Anonymous No.150892583 [Report]
>>150890982
Why these random background pilot characters that we will never see again have such a better designs than the main cast.
Anonymous No.150892599 [Report] >>150892653
Anonymous No.150892653 [Report]
>>150892599
My king...
Anonymous No.150893325 [Report]
>>150891377
>>150891892
Nifty also only managed to do it because Charlie beat adam half to death. If a toddler starts playing with a loaded gun someone left on a table and someone gets shot, then we typically blame the parent
Anonymous No.150893445 [Report]
>>150890982
would those two egyptian bitches in the middle and on the right
Anonymous No.150893899 [Report] >>150896562
>>150890994
She saw from when they were spying on Angel Dust that Niffty is a bit 'tarded. Love my tardwife though.
Anonymous No.150894375 [Report]
>>150873580
>no matter how good they are
Good by whose standard? Other beings in hell or the word of the all knowing divine creator of existence? How do they know whether or not the system is working exactly as intended and everyone in hell belongs there? Notice how no one who's supposedly "good" would rather stay in hell to help others in an act of self sacrifice or repentance.
Anonymous No.150894455 [Report]
>>150870251
lmao! Saving this
Anonymous No.150894832 [Report]
>>150873536
>Paradise only allows righteous beings because they put more good than bad into the world and allows them to live with one another without conflict.
>Angels like Adam being dicks isn't even that much of a contradiction in context since his job is to keep a massive population of DEMONS in line. You can't have a pushover running defense.
>Anyone who gets sent to literal hell and immediately doubles down on being a sinner instead of self reflecting needs to be there forever.
Anonymous No.150895038 [Report] >>150895431 >>150901990
>>150870251
I never understood this meme, are the guards the demons and hazbin fans are fighting them? Is shrek the demon fighting hazbin fans? This makes 0 sense.
Anonymous No.150895431 [Report]
>>150895038
Shrek is the hazbin fans and the guards the demons if it wasn't obvious
Anonymous No.150895638 [Report]
Impregnate Charlie and Lute then DISAPPEAR INTO THE NIGHT!
Anonymous No.150895741 [Report] >>150896015
>>150875283
>Hell for the company
>The company is a bunch of derelict retards and gooners.
Anonymous No.150896015 [Report]
>>150895741
Man had no taste, what else is new?
Anonymous No.150896437 [Report]
Show for mentally ill girls
Anonymous No.150896562 [Report]
>>150893899
>Love my tardwife though.
What do you mean yours?
Anonymous No.150897438 [Report] >>150897984 >>150899949
>>150874259
People are too autistic and caught up in "but the bible". You think Viv read the bible? Getting mad at Hazbin for being biblically inaccurate is like watching Hercules and getting mad that Hera is his mom and Hades is a villain. You can say Hazbin is a criticism of modern Christian attitudes, but it's not meant to be a criticism of Christianity itself.
>but this Amazon cartoon animated by a furry HAS to be respectful!! It HAS TO!!
Grow up
Anonymous No.150897984 [Report] >>150898003
>>150897438
I just want something cool to happen and it not get undercut by the most poorly timed unfunny shit in the universe...
Anonymous No.150898003 [Report] >>150898990
>>150897984
That's a reasonable criticism I can agree with
Anonymous No.150898990 [Report] >>150899949 >>150900162
>>150898003
Also, the writing handles serious topics with the gentle touch of a SWAT team.
>”Take that, Depression!”
>HEY, DID YOU GET HE’S DEPRESSED?
>DID YOU GET IT, ANON?
Anonymous No.150899949 [Report] >>150900059
>>150898990
Let's be totally fucking honest. That moment was done knowing it would be a "relatable" quote for the fandom to repeat.
>>150897438
The criticisms in the Lute thread regarding how the show DOESN'T handle the mythos are honestly way more valid imo
Anonymous No.150900046 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
This show is unfunny and objectively terrible.
i am still going to watch season 2
Anonymous No.150900059 [Report] >>150900162
>>150899949
I get that, and I can see how it’s a bad point.

But, it doesn’t get rid of the fact the show has zero subtlety.
Anonymous No.150900162 [Report] >>150900312 >>150900352
>>150898990
>>150900059
the problem with Vivzie and her poor handling of Hazbin Hotel's tone is explained by how Vivzie doesn't really watch or read any real mature/adult books or movies. Everything that inspired Hazbin is all stuff that was aimed at kids/made for kids, or family-friendly. When she lists her inspirations they're always animated movies and cartoons, musicals/theater, or Tim Burton. Her older videos show that she's got dozens of cartoon and animated movie art books in her room, but barely anything else.

Hazbin is basically just an edgy kids show but if it was allowed to swear and use sexual humor and blood/excessive violence.
Anonymous No.150900254 [Report] >>150900351 >>150901070 >>150902482
>When you realize Adam was actually depressed the entire time and happy that the nightmare of his existence finally ended with the last thing he saw being the concerned face of a woman who actually loved and was loyal to him...
Anonymous No.150900312 [Report] >>150900509
>>150900162
I didn’t mind the Tim Burton designs, but those features got washed out by the time it hit Amazon.

But, it doesn’t surprise me that she doesn’t watch any adult media. That would explain why the writing felt like it was stuck in 2014, and the humor felt so outdated.
Anonymous No.150900338 [Report] >>150901301
>>150870349
>>150870672
>>150873480
All correct answers
Anonymous No.150900351 [Report] >>150901070
>>150900254
He deserved better.
Anonymous No.150900352 [Report] >>150900396
>>150900162
This just seems to be a growing problem with /co/ in general.
Anonymous No.150900396 [Report] >>150900628
>>150900352
What problem? Not to sound stupid, but could you explain?
Anonymous No.150900509 [Report]
>>150900312
Viv is emotionally stuck as a selfish teenager, and it's why Hazbin is as overly autobiographical as it is on top of being crappy wish fulfillment.

I do find it funny how Viv has mentioned anime as an influence on her work, but she hardly ever mentions any by name. It's a similar situation with her apparent love of Homestuck where allegedly she admitted to never having read the damn thing.
Anonymous No.150900628 [Report] >>150900685 >>150900705 >>150903587
>>150900396
You know that Dana Terrace tweet that gets posted here every other week? She didn't pull that out of her ass.
A lot of the people currently entering or making a name for themselves in the industry have no interest in media that doesn't have a more "fantastic" element and it's so bad that some of them could get filtered by something like Casablanca, There Will Be Blood, or even something as accessible as Jaws or Stand By Me. Much less reading a book. That is a huge problem.
Imagine paying endless lip service to something like depression, anxiety, or oppression, then you can't even sit through a story that doesn't have to juggle these concepts with big epic wizard fights.
Like, if there's a cartoon where the core heart of the story has something to do with a divorce, and then the creator of said cartoon can't sit through something like Marriage Story. Or a cartoon that wants to blab about the main character's depression and PTSD, and the creator can't understand the appeal of Manchester By the Sea.
That is a huge problem. The only live-action a lot of them are watching is zany $300million blockbuster stuff. A lot of them haven't read a book other than Harry Potter. The well for inspiration is so limited that they want to handle all these big topics and mature subject matters but aren't super interested in exploring said concepts
Anonymous No.150900685 [Report]
>>150900628
Don’t get mad at me, but I don’t know that Dana Terrace tweet.
Anonymous No.150900705 [Report] >>150900901
>>150900628
It's really funny considering that so many of them jerk off acclaimed anime and then go "why can't we have that" while lacking any curiosity as to what inspired/influenced their favorite anime (it's always books, movies, music, history, television, fashion, mythology, religion...at least, that's what the best stuff is inspired by)
Anonymous No.150900901 [Report] >>150900992
>>150900705
I got a good one. Star Vs and Zootopia. Right? Big anti-racism allegory everyone loved them.
You know what's weird? If you actually put the allegories together, you realize both are built on the same kind of "white savior" narrative that a lot of live-action movies get absolutely skewered for having.
Like, when these came out they were being hailed as proof that cartoons could be just as mature as live-action, while falling into a trope that live-action had been moving past for being an immature viewpoint of dealing with racism. And they'd know this if they actually expanded their media diets. Admittedly that was the "oppression porn" Oscar-bait era that even most black people quickly got sick of but there was a point not to lean back into the old trope.
Anonymous No.150900992 [Report] >>150901018 >>150910755
>>150900901
I really want pop fiction to move beyond "fictional race is met with bigotry as a means of drawing parallels with IRL bigotry" because it doesn't work due to being built off of earlier genre fiction where the xenophobia was justified.

X-Men is notorious for this, starting with Claremont's run where he came up with the concept of mutant racism and Magneto as a Holocaust survivor (and inspired by an actual Zionist). People jerked it off back then and still do, even though IT DOESN'T WORK because X-Men was fundamentally inspired by psychic pulp fiction stories where human beings have every reason to fear psychics. And those stories always end in genocide, both sides dying, or one side being exiled or moving to a different planet.
Anonymous No.150901018 [Report]
>>150900992
Now that you say it, there’s a lot of cartoon stories that involve genocide, but never really get into depth about the horrors of war, trauma, or survivor’s guilt as a topic of discussion.

But, maybe it’s just me.
Anonymous No.150901070 [Report] >>150901423
>>150900254
>>150900351
honestly...I do hope the hellaverse world is worse for everyone due to adam's absence.
because that would be thing that would save this show, adam's death having a butterfly effect.
Anonymous No.150901301 [Report]
>>150900338
There needs to be hundreds of more artwork of her as a braphog
Anonymous No.150901423 [Report] >>150901497 >>150901758
>>150901070
Well, yeah, Lute’s gonna crash the fuck out. I expect her to catch a body by the end of Season 3.
Anonymous No.150901497 [Report] >>150901666
>>150901423
definitely, but I feel like adam dying will have a domino effect and both ex-wives of adam will be the only people in existence to see fully what his absence will cause.
lute is one of the many things that will happen.
like a domino effect in which his existence kept it from applying but no more.
Anonymous No.150901666 [Report] >>150901682
>>150901497
I mean, we know nothing about what happened to either of them, but who knows?
From what I hear, the Adam Lute saw in “Gravity” was a hallucination by Eve in order to instigate Lute to get worse
Anonymous No.150901682 [Report] >>150901739
>>150901666
Satan-trips pls
Anonymous No.150901739 [Report]
>>150901682
Oh, sorry, my bad, I don’t know how spoiler marks work.
Anonymous No.150901758 [Report] >>150901813 >>150904688 >>150904716 >>150908284
>>150901423
>Lute's crash out concerns everyone in Heaven
>Sera removes her from her position as commander of the Exorcists
>Abel and the rest of Adam's family in Heaven has no desire to seek vengeance in Hell
>Lute has the realization that she and the surviving exorcists are the only ones that care that Adam and their sisters are dead
>In a rage she and the rest of the exorcists break out of Heaven and fly down to Earth
>On some speck of an island hidden in the Mediterranean
>There Lute meets with a mountain of a man who greatly resembles her deceased General
>She pleads her case to Cain hoping that at least he would want to seek vengeance against his father's killers
>Despite some initial gruff reluctance from him, Cain eventually decides to aid Lute in her quest
>The two bond over their journey
>Meanwhile everyone in Heaven and Hell are losing their shit thinking Cain is going to lead some sort of exorcist angel coup against the powers that be
>In actuality Cain is Uncle Irohing Lute and the exorcists to a new path of healing and moving on from their grief
Anonymous No.150901813 [Report]
>>150901758
No. That’d be too intelligent.
Anonymous No.150901990 [Report] >>150907491
>>150895038
It's associating vain narcissistic translesbian queers with being a fat, bald man who can keep his corner with physical violence and who also lives in a hetereosexual fantasy of accepting that people aren't pretty and being granted a happily ever after with a princess.
That's probably why it doesn't make sense... because it doesn't.
Anonymous No.150902030 [Report]
>>150873580
>iffin I's not a white then white mussin be a lie
Anonymous No.150902243 [Report] >>150902505
>After another humiliating defeat by that insufferable blue hedgehog, Dr. Robotnik falls through a warp ring that takes him to the Hellaverse's Earth
>Before any plans of domination enter his mind, his flaming ship falls through the warp ring and crashes on top of him
>Robotnik wakes up in Hell, but finds that his sinner form is purely mechanical
>He's immediately disgusted by the denizens of Hell who look sickeningly close to Mobians
>He works quickly to set up shop in Pentagram and starts roboticizing the hellborne and enslaving sinners to service his machines
>He also collects the body of the exorcist angel that Carmine killed and Frankenstein's her into being his bodyguard
>Despite concerns over his growing power, Charlie turns to him for help in the fight against Adam
>Robotnik agrees in exchange for some angelic steel, which Charlie concedes
>The fight plays out the same in canon, only Robotniks robots are fighting the exorcists instead of the cannibals
>After Lucifer beats Adam, Robotnik uses the chance to capture the Prince of Lies
>Robotnik reveals that he's been waiting for Lucifer to come out of hiding so he can subdue him and use his power to fuel his expansion into all of Hell
>Robotnik declares himself the new king and with his newfound power, turns his sights on the other rings, Earth and Heaven
>Why reshape just one world when he can do all three before moving on to the rest of the universe?
>The Sins are quickly subdued and become Robotocized guardians
>Charlie, Adam, Vaggie, Lute, Sinners and Exorcists have to team up to take on the Mad Doctor
>"Sorry Princess and First Man but, YOU'RE. TOO. SLOW! MUHAHAHAHAHA!"
Anonymous No.150902482 [Report]
>>150900254
I still think he is going to end up being Vox's 'secret weapon'. Adam has way too much potential
Anonymous No.150902505 [Report] >>150902584
>>150902243
Anonymous No.150902584 [Report]
>>150902505
Anonymous No.150903587 [Report] >>150903681 >>150910909 >>150914753
>>150900628
You don't need to minimize the high fantasy aspects. You can have adult wizard battles, sci-fi, or creatures, but most people only ever reading YA fiction and all books being thrown into YA fiction doesn't help. Even reading adult oriented comic books would help a lot of writers. I understand what these modern writers are trying to do, they want like kids high fantasy stories with adult complexity. They're not trying to write non-fantastic serious content. They need to be consulting books like Dune or anything by Anne Rice, not limited to interview with the Vampire. Even classics read in high school like Brave New World, 1984, and to some extent the Great Gatsby would be of use.
>am nerd who actually reads
>I'm really attached to the adult high fantasy genre
>But I have to dig for shit to read
Anonymous No.150903681 [Report]
>>150903587
Same, brother.

Have you read the Wizard of Oz series? Or The Neverending Story? Elfland? The Once and Future King? The Last Unicorn?
Anonymous No.150904278 [Report] >>150904520 >>150904652
What's Charlie gonna say?
Anonymous No.150904520 [Report]
>>150904278
it starts with an n
Anonymous No.150904652 [Report]
>>150904278
Anonymous No.150904688 [Report] >>150904716
>>150901758
>Abel and the rest of Adam's family in Heaven
So just Abel then? I mean we don't know where Seth or Caine.
Anonymous No.150904716 [Report] >>150908823
>>150901758
>>150904688
Also sorry to samefag but Caine would cave Lucifer's skull in and would actually have a chance given the mark.
Anonymous No.150907491 [Report]
>>150901990
It's just a visual representation retard, it doesn't go any farther than that
Anonymous No.150907753 [Report] >>150908524 >>150914786
Blake is kind of a dum dum.

https://files.catbox.moe/yw0gtj.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/ognsrg.mp4
Anonymous No.150907878 [Report] >>150908205
>>150870156 (OP)

>Just now realized the hotel is a metaphor for the prison system
Anonymous No.150907981 [Report]
Words cannot describe how much I want to kiss and snuggle Charlie.
Anonymous No.150908205 [Report]
>>150907878
I mean, not to be rude but it’s kinda obvious this show is an allegory for rehab/reforming bad people.
Anonymous No.150908284 [Report]
>>150901758
>In actuality Cain is Uncle Irohing Lute and the exorcists to a new path of healing and moving on from their grief
Was based until you got to this gay shit
Anonymous No.150908524 [Report] >>150909050
>>150907753
BITCH FUCKING SPOILER THIS FUCKING SHIT
Anonymous No.150908823 [Report] >>150910463 >>150922607
>>150904716
Cain's mark doesn't actually do jack shit on its own, it just symbolizes that god protects him. If god does not do anything to help, Cain is shit outta luck vs Lucifer.
He dies to a falling building
Anonymous No.150909050 [Report]
>>150908524
Don't blame me. It was Blake.
Anonymous No.150909856 [Report]
>>150870156 (OP)
Funny cartoon but it falls apart if you don't shut off your brain. It wants to talk about the morality of burning people in hell for all eternity without really challenging why people who have done un-redeemable things should be given another chance. Why should some African warlord who has mutilated and raped children have redemption on the table to share a place in heaven with souls who would never commit such atrocities. The only way it works is if you portray all the murder and degeneracy in Hell as a bunch of wacky hijinks that don't have much weight, and that a lot of the souls are just good misguided boys who made the wrong decisions. The worst scene in the whole show is the one with all the overlords and how the arms-dealer we've been introduced for like two minutes starts singing her heart out about protecting the people you love. It feels so fucking corny and clueless, especially since its a duet with someone completely unrelated which just sloppily indicated that they were going to meet later in the season
Anonymous No.150909863 [Report]
>>150877387
Not mormons, which is also why they go to heaven and don't baptise babies
Anonymous No.150910084 [Report]
>>150882542
Only the dogshit sects, terrestrial sphere represent
Anonymous No.150910463 [Report] >>150915802 >>150915802
>>150908823
If you explore Cain/Qayin further, you'll find that some Necrosophic Gnosis followers revere him, calling him the Witchfather and the first sorcerer. Additionally, certain Satanists and occultists refer to Qayin as the Left-handed Reaper.
it was a wild rabbit hole for me.
Anonymous No.150910544 [Report]
>>150870962
>the anti anti christ
I love the anti anti christ
Anonymous No.150910755 [Report]
>>150900992
What you really need to understand is that these cartoons with the oppression allegories aren't actually about social commentary, they're white girl power fantasies
The 2020 protest revealed a lot about how white women actually think and why they're so prone to activism
>So desperate to virtue signal they nearly derailed the Black Lives Matter hashtag used to spread serious news stories by posting black squares
>Pretty much every in-person protest had at least 5 white girls taking the microphone and saying "WOE IS ME! MY WHITENESS AND MY PRIVILEGE WHICH I AM GOING TO CHECK TO HELP MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS JOURNEY OF SELF-CONFRONTATION AND HOW I MUST CONTINUE TO GROW!"
Think about it, how many of these cartoons seem to have
>White girl
>Relatively privileged economically but is le LOOKED DOWN ON for BEING DIFFERENT!
>After all of five seconds of checking her privilege she unlocks her TRUE VOICE and becomes the hero to minorities everywhere
>This coincidentally lines up absolutely perfectly with sticking to the upper crust society which never hecking understood her.
Becoming the social hero of the oppressed (who often double as the "different and exotic") is almost an adventure playground to white women. It's why they act like they're having character arcs and refer to navigating serious social issues as "my journey". In the past, white men did this and were eventually called out for it but white women like to pretend that something like Star Vs is any less of a white savior story than something like Gran Torino because "we're oppressed too and UNDERSTAND THEM!"
Anonymous No.150910863 [Report] >>150910938 >>150914281 >>150914897
Its so funny how some days ago people here were talking about how charlastor was Viv original idea and she changed It to Vaggie for brownie points when in reality Viv is minutes away to say she despises charlastor on her bluesky
Anonymous No.150910909 [Report] >>150914753
>>150903587
To sum up how I feel on this. It's not what they write. It's the media they consume.
A lot of the stuff they insist is "for adults too!" is correct but they forget to mention that the specific intent was making sure that the media was built around being something parents, siblings, et cetera could watch with their kids by being good often by taking inspo from adult media.
Look at Puss in Boots 2, it had an entertaining adult element partially by taking influence from the Good, the bad, and the Ugly for the general plot and structure.
And what I've noticed is the people who do this then act like the property is the most original thing ever entirely because they're filtered away from the media that it took inspo from.
What kind of fucking person can get filtered by the Dollars trilogy?
I know people with literal ADHD who managed to get through the dollars trilogy by simply pausing between scenes and coming back since it can basically be watched as a bunch of tense vignettes, especially the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
Anonymous No.150910938 [Report] >>150915116
>>150910863
She doesn't despise it. It's probably far from her favorite but she gives it fan service a plenty. Or at least someone involved does.
Anonymous No.150910948 [Report]
>>150870306
Everyone is born a sinner, idiot. That’s why baptism exists.
Anonymous No.150911145 [Report]
>>150884322
I feel like the worst part of this is that it's backed up by Paradise Lost
>where is Charlie and Lucifer's incest baby
Anonymous No.150911505 [Report]
It don't matter, none of this matters
Anonymous No.150913258 [Report]
>>150870251
shazed brek
Anonymous No.150914048 [Report] >>150921945
Lute isn't that desperate
Anonymous No.150914219 [Report]
>>150882742
>god
>giving a single shit about any human being killed
>especially fucking adam
lol no.
Anonymous No.150914281 [Report] >>150914783 >>150915122
>>150910863
What's Alastor's endgame?
He's trying to escape a deal. Maybe a deal with Lilith to protect Charlie?
Or is he just waiting for the hotel to fail so he can make deals with her for more power?
Or does he really believe in her and thinks he'll benefit as her star becomes ascendant?

He seems to hate Lucifer. His eye twitches with hatred when they meet. Although they both claim not to have met before.
Anonymous No.150914715 [Report] >>150915596
Anonymous No.150914753 [Report]
>>150903587
>>150910909
I think Viv just sucks at writing but we're definitely only a few years away from a "plastic dress girl and plasting-eating crow fae boy" series.
Anonymous No.150914783 [Report] >>150914808
>>150914281
Did you not see the leaks? Almost everything you ask is answered on ep 4
Anonymous No.150914786 [Report] >>150914917
>>150907753
It's nothing we didn't assume based on the leaks. He doesn't explicitly say what happened, just the outcome of it. Which honestly, sound rather lame and without real stakes other than a character having a pity party for himself.
Anonymous No.150914808 [Report]
>>150914783
Guess I'll leave before someone says then. I don't want spoilers. I want fun speculation.
Anonymous No.150914897 [Report] >>150915116
>>150910863
Part of the narrative is that she's flip-floppity and willing to play the audience for cred, so it's not against type she would discredit her prior design if it made her current one work better.
Anonymous No.150914917 [Report]
>>150914786
We already learned from Vox's VA that he didn't die this season, so obviously the climax wasn't gonna be anything too spectacular
Anonymous No.150914984 [Report] >>150914997 >>150915084
what was the story behind that video where charlie was chasing a black man?
Anonymous No.150914997 [Report] >>150915059 >>150915087
>>150914984
The black guy in the video commissioned it
Anonymous No.150915059 [Report]
>>150914997
lmao
Anonymous No.150915084 [Report]
>>150914984
The guy was Verbalase, a guy who did that thanos beat boxing thing
He commissioned the vid with charlie chasing him back in like 2022 for 48K
Two years later it gets leaked and due to inflation the price went to 50K
He still has a career
Anonymous No.150915087 [Report]
>>150914997
Yeah, it was Verbalase. He paid like $50K to have the video made.
Anonymous No.150915116 [Report] >>150915162 >>150915222 >>150915670
>>150914897
>>150910938
To Vivzie's credit, when the season premiered they were calling her a pro-shipper, a zionist, a homophobe, an objectifier of women, a crypto-fascist, a rape apologist and all this other shit and she wisely ignored it all. Even when the "My name is Cain, I am your bitch" and general "vivziepop writing" meme
got under her skin hardcore.
She at the very least has a grip on how fandom culture works from her Tumblr background. Don't get involved in the fandom's ships. Remember that the online fandom bitches about things literally no one else cares about. Do not, under any circumstance, assume that a bunch of weird twitter kids represent everyone watching.
She's always been pretty good about navigating that to the point that the bitching overshadowed the more valid issues of employee mistreatment.
Anonymous No.150915122 [Report]
>>150914281
I think they’re gonna try to redeem Alastor, aren’t they
Anonymous No.150915138 [Report] >>150915186
>>150870156 (OP)
Anonymous No.150915162 [Report] >>150915437
>>150915116
Didn’t she have to run away to Bluesky, though?
Not to be condescending, but the criticism definitely gets under her skin.
Anonymous No.150915186 [Report] >>150915238 >>150915570
>>150915138
They really tried to aura farm with this frame, but she gives off bootleg Naruto vibes
Anonymous No.150915222 [Report] >>150915670
>>150915116
Someone once speculated that she got some sort of PR manager that told her to stop looking at what people are saying about her and she actually listened to them.
Anonymous No.150915238 [Report] >>150915264
>>150915186
The battle outfit just isn't good and she doesn't know how to fight. Feels more like it's foreshadowing Lucifer.
Anonymous No.150915264 [Report] >>150915344
>>150915238
Not to be rude, but the “Unlocked demon mode” thing fucking reeks of Naruto
Anonymous No.150915344 [Report] >>150915393
>>150915264
The whole power up transformation thing predates Naruto, even in the west. I doubt Viv was specifically influenced by it.
Anonymous No.150915393 [Report]
>>150915344
You’re right, but…. Something feels off here.
Anonymous No.150915432 [Report]
>>150877387
>believe that everyone on earth is born a sinner
The belief is that humans are born with an inclination to sin, and a lack of the supernatural gifts that Adam and Eve lost in their exile. Personal acts of sin are not the same thing.
Anonymous No.150915437 [Report] >>150915486
>>150915162
Yeah but that's just it. That was mostly the "Vivziepop writing" stuff that got her.
Anonymous No.150915486 [Report] >>150915670
>>150915437
But the critique ain’t wrong, and if she could handle it, why the hell did she move to Bluesky?
She can’t handle criticism.
Anonymous No.150915570 [Report] >>150915789
>>150915186
Doesn't help that she has zero feminine curve.
Anonymous No.150915596 [Report]
>>150914715
Charlie/Alastor shippers are still alive I see. Too bad Alastor's next ship to be promoted is going to be with Vox.
Anonymous No.150915670 [Report] >>150915848
>>150915486
>>150915222
My own theory is that her early 2010s tumblr background has allowed her not to react to the stuff I mentioned >>150915116
but she doesn't know what to do when it comes to people shitting on the actual quality of her work.
She's from a place where she knows just how stupid and dramatic people can get over dumb shit like shipping or trying to insinuate something about morality because you drew a pair of tits. But she doesn't know how to deal with people simply saying "this isn't very good."
Anonymous No.150915789 [Report]
>>150915570
I mean, she looks hotter in the suit. But her voice makes her sound 30, and she acts like she’s 10.
Total turn off.
Anonymous No.150915802 [Report]
>>150910463
>>150910463
I don't think Vivzie will dig up this far, and if we ever get Cain in the canon, he will be both gay and boring
Anonymous No.150915814 [Report] >>150915979 >>150917102
Charlie did say she'd be willing to do whatever it took to stop the exterminations.
Anonymous No.150915848 [Report]
>>150915670
But she does react to it. Remember when the Homestuck pilot released and everyone was cooking her, and then she drew one of the characters as Alastor?
Anonymous No.150915979 [Report] >>150916106
>>150915814
Adam would NEVER downgrade from his adoring, militaristic chudwife to Lucifer's nepobaby who disagrees with his stance on literally everything
Anonymous No.150916106 [Report] >>150916325
>>150915979
How's the new arm, Lute?
Anonymous No.150916214 [Report] >>150916338
Any of you guys going to the Broadway event tomorrow?
Anonymous No.150916325 [Report]
>>150916106
Anonymous No.150916338 [Report] >>150916377
>>150916214
Just so you know, you’d to have deal with millenial manchildren dressed up like cartoon characters.
Anonymous No.150916377 [Report] >>150916449
>>150916338
Make no mistake I know what's in store but signing up for a ticket was free so I went for it. I'm dressing up as Adam myself.
Anonymous No.150916449 [Report] >>150916505
>>150916377
Please tell me you’re bringing nasal air fresheners, Anon
Anonymous No.150916505 [Report] >>150916540 >>150916663 >>150916744
>>150916449
It can't be that bad right? I've never been to a convention before so this my first "many people cosplaying" in one space thing. Is smell really a big issue?
Anonymous No.150916540 [Report] >>150916589
>>150916505
>I've never been to a convention before
Oh you poor bastard
Anonymous No.150916589 [Report]
>>150916540
Lemme call a few guys
Anonymous No.150916663 [Report]
>>150916505
Anon, most con visitors smell like total shit. Like, the worst B.O.
You need nasal air fresheners.
Anonymous No.150916744 [Report]
>>150916505
for your sake, I really hope that Adam cosplay includes his mask...
Anonymous No.150916851 [Report]
>>150873775
>You Gary Plauche'd a pedo, that makes you worse than the guy who nonced your son since you're oppressing him with your violence when all he wants is to be free (To nonce children)
Compelling argument. Please face the wall demon.
Anonymous No.150916886 [Report] >>150916961 >>150916962 >>150917012 >>150917039 >>150917046
>>150870156 (OP)
Oaky, what is it even about? Should I just watch it to understand the memes?
Anonymous No.150916961 [Report]
>>150916886
Princess of hell tries to redeem people in hell
Singing and hijinks ensues
Anonymous No.150916962 [Report]
>>150916886
>should I watch the show to understand posts about the show?
yeah, that might be a good start actually
Anonymous No.150917012 [Report]
>>150916886
Shipping, the gay and the gay shipping.
Anonymous No.150917039 [Report]
>>150916886
Hotel tries to prove it can redeem sinners to heaven so angels don't perma-kill hell people every year to keep hells population low so they don't rise against heaven. It's only 8 episodes right now and episodes arent even always 22 minutes you could watch it all in less than a full afternoon. Low commitment watch easy to drop if you don't enjoy it.
Anonymous No.150917046 [Report]
>>150916886
3 hours of singing twinks.
Anonymous No.150917102 [Report] >>150917144 >>150919044
>>150915814
Is having sex with your ex's kid incest? Cause this feels like incest.
Anonymous No.150917144 [Report] >>150919044
>>150917102
No
Different bloodline
Anonymous No.150918766 [Report] >>150918905
Why didn't (You) help her treat her schizophrenia?
Anonymous No.150918785 [Report] >>150921818
>>150870251
I feel like Hazbin Hotel actually is devoid of irony

Dinergoths don't do irony like was big in the 2010s
Anonymous No.150918905 [Report]
>>150918766
she's been through a lot, let her enjoy her dudebro tulpa boyfriend
Anonymous No.150919044 [Report] >>150919302
>>150917102
>>150917144
>having sex with your ex's kid
Honestly this is such a weird fucking dynamic that I now want more of this.
Anonymous No.150919302 [Report]
>>150919044
Look up "God Says Feelings are for Pussies" on AO3.
Anonymous No.150919411 [Report] >>150920255
Could Charlie redeem him?
Anonymous No.150919870 [Report] >>150920336
>>150876096
Katie Killjoy was so much better in the pilot when she was voiced by a woman, I hate Brandon Rogers' voice for her
Anonymous No.150919888 [Report]
This is canon for Season 2
Anonymous No.150920255 [Report]
>>150919411
He's essentially formed of terror, so no, there's nothing to redeem.
Anonymous No.150920336 [Report] >>150921958
>>150919870
Still can’t believe Brandon Rogers was the one behind turning Helluva into a fucking yaoi.
Anonymous No.150921818 [Report]
>>150918785
Stop trying to make fetch happen
Anonymous No.150921943 [Report]
>>150875150
My headcanon is that the old dragon design would be Michael. I wish they went with him over Adam desu, he'd be a more compelling antagonist especially since he'd be more in the right/justified as the warrior guardian of Heaven. Could even add in family drama/angst if you go the route that Michael and Lucifer were brothers - have Charlie trying to appeal and connect with her family and both Michael and Lucifer wanting to reconnect because they both love each other, but are unable to (Lucifer seeing Michael as unreasonable and too stuck in the ways of Heavens rules so he constantly pushes his buttons, Michael seeing Lucifer as hopeless and forever doomed by his own sinful actions so he just commits further into his role and Lucifers adversary). God now I want to write a fic on this
Anonymous No.150921945 [Report]
>>150914048
yet
Anonymous No.150921958 [Report]
>>150920336
is that how it happened? I always heard it was Vivzie fujoing out and Brandon just wasn't actively opposed to it
Anonymous No.150921961 [Report] >>150922347
>>150870156 (OP)
Wish Vivziepop had made her less naive and more nuanced, given she's been there for 200 (?) years already. She's too shallow and easily dissuaded. Those fiery red-eyed moments in her songs, I wish those sides of her had been explored more. That and the worldbuilding sets out to do a lot in the start, but overall sucks.
Anonymous No.150922347 [Report]
>>150921961
Not just naive, but a TOTAL DUMBASS.
Like, I can get her being sheltered and all, but she acts like a total fucking child.

And I’ve heard people say it’s because “she’s ADHD” or whatever, which just sounds really fucking ableist for a “progressive” show.

But I could rant about the way they portray ADHD and Autism so horribly until the sun rises.
Anonymous No.150922607 [Report]
>>150908823
That would mean that anyone with power derived from the divine would be powerless. And its not just protection but any damaged done is reflected back 9 times on whoever dealt it. Basically meaning any attack Lucifer uses he is going to feel the damage of but 9 times worse.