Thread 150966078

>turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
>all the drama with fruit farms
>mass bans for problematic edits based on all the retarded far-left criteria one imagines
>now aggressively ejecting people for adblock
Thank fucking god. This site was a tumor, especially for /co/ntent.

>>150966078 (OP)
>>turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
Proof?

>>150966096
When they keep using tropespeak as a way explain media, they're the last people you want as critics.

>>150966078 (OP)
> turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
If they are missing the point of fiction so bad, then they weren't fit to be writers in the first place.

This site is cool. It's interesting to browse, and it can provide some inspiration. I like my country's version of it a lot more, tho.

>>150966096
I observed this phenomena firsthand

>>150966141
I find the only value that site has, such as it is, that it showcases various media. Anything else is garbage.

>>150966078 (OP)
The fact they are banning ad-blockers and expecting people to buy a subscription to their website is pretty fucked. Who thought that was a good idea?

>>150966078 (OP)
>turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
what are you even talking about?

>>150966141
Kinda hard to browse it now.
Unless you are the kind of retard that fucks hookers without a condom.

>>150966309
I think it's the owners after Fast Eddie sold the site.

>>150966078 (OP)
>now aggressively ejecting people for adblock
source?

>>150966353
Cancel your subscription and see for yourself.

>>150966078 (OP)
>>now aggressively ejecting people for adblock
still works for me

Off topic threads are cancer and against >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Do your part to help purge this board of lawless youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=150966078

>>150966458
i don't have a subscription retard

i think your pc has a virus anon

>>150966078 (OP)
>bans me and expects me to subscribe

Ha.

>>150966078 (OP)
>The person responsible for this change and this post >>150966506

>Open Tvtropes
>Check the Swallowed Whole/Eaten Alive page
>close
All I do there, really.

>>150966078 (OP)
>>now aggressively ejecting people for adblock
just put
tvtropes.org##+js(set, valid_page_types, [])
into your ublock filters

>>150966078 (OP)
>all the drama with fruit farms
can you elaborate more of this part?

>>150966078 (OP)
I'll just say it.
TV Tropes did more damage to society than 4cahn and tumblr combined.

TVTropes was really one of the only sites that truly reminded me of the old internet and felt like it never changed, as an outsider. Learning about all this bullshit has really sucked the wind out of my sails.

>>150966506
I take it your janny application was rejected?

>>150966141
I use it as a wiki

>>150966078 (OP)
Why did so many trope listings include a shitload of fanfiction anyway? Some of them were 100% only appearing in fanfiction.

>>150966078 (OP)
I think everyone agrees that it was fun and useful around 2011 or so. Then they made up too damn many tropes, most of which only had a single example at best. Then the place became too overcrowded with too many people making too many edits. And has since only become a place for people to look and awe at the weaponized autism ever after.

>>150966078 (OP)
>look at the ‘nightmarefuel’ section of any game
>laugh
It was never a good site, I tried to use it for finding specific games but that was always annoying as retards flooded sections, absolutely needed to talk about a game they liked regardless if it didn’t fit
>The Minion Master
>games section
>Pikmin ; Allows control of many creatures
>Diablo ; Certain builds allow for control of many creatures
>Doom Eternal ; Subverted you’re just Doomguy :^)
Fuck you, that’s not how categorizing works you dumb cunts

Post the funny screenshot of the Tranquilized Midsentence page.

>>150966078 (OP)
Actually this troper still finds the site a good read. I always enjoy going back after watching a TV to pick up on things I missed or even discover a new show by clicking on a previously unknown trope.

>>150966078 (OP)
I only use it for fanfic recs.

>>150966078 (OP)
Not /co/
Fuck off

>>150967751
Sure, I find idea of that site a bit spergy if you look closely enough.

The generational divide really killed TVTropes. Zoomers don't seem to care about autistically cataloguing every bit of information about their favorite shows as much as millennials did. You can really tell the difference between pages written before 2020 or so and after.

>>150967925
Even most of the millennial written pages are absolutely retarded. Especially shit like the "Nightmare Fuel" category.

>>150966078 (OP)
One time I had to go here for something on a device that didn't have an adblock and jesus christ it was so bad.
>scroll a little bit down an article
>huge ad right in the middle
>scroll down a little again
>another huge fucking ad
>rinse and repeat
And who the fuck thinks people are going to pay to use this? Someone can just make a knockoff and call it a day.

>>150966839
If you have a KF page, that means you should be scorned forever and never respected according to the laws of 4chan.

Everyone knows TV Tropes ruins your life. It’s in their slogan!

>>150966078 (OP)
>turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
you are making shit up

>>150966627
Then why are you asking to be spoonfed when the problem is right in front of you fucktard

>>150968062
It's true, though. Farmers only go after the most laughable and morally reprehensible individuals in our society. In all honesty, they're doing a public service.

>>150966078 (OP)
Got any alternatives?

>>150966078 (OP)
>turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
The effect is the opposite where people try their hardest to avoid tropes to a point of retardation. Kinda like metal bands always trying to invent some new sub-subgenre of metal music to stand out.

>>150968138
https://tropedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tropedia
https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Main_Page

All The Tropes is too strict though due to the "All edits most be approved by the mods rule" and it's a ghost town as a result.

Tropedia is actually quite active but has few users and it contains all the pages that were cut due to the censorship issues. If you can stomach Fandom/wiki, it's a great alternative.

>>150968133
They go after some more decent people too though who only do like one or two things "wrong". You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

>>150967925
>You can really tell the difference between pages written before 2020 or so and after.
provide examples

Can remember the weird arguing between Sailor Moon fansub autismos like Miss Dream (frauds) and Sailormoonfansubs (frauds but run by a 60 something schizo comparing himself to Megan Meier) on magical girl pages until Fast Eddie nuked that.

>>150967925
Zoomers are based??

>>150966115
But language already works that way? It's fucking hard to relate fictional concepts to people who don't share your life experience without a shared lexicon specialized for the task.

>>150968138
Genuinely, is tvtropes the actual best collection of this kind of organized literary stuff as long as you stay away from the actual autistic shit? Actual narrative things are pretty useful to have

>>150968133
They're gossipy, drama loving (and causing) "celebrity" obsessed faggots. KF is a participatory women's gossip magazine, like if toxic femininity were a website. Are there any straight males there? I can't imagine what would cause them to be into that kind of shit.

>>150968503
Yeah, you get some women trying to clearly larp as straight men there or underageB& trying to pretend to be adults but failing miserably (Giera, who had to remake after people were catching on to her being a teenager also pretending to be half black).

>>150967925
I don't think a text based site is gonna appeal to the limited attention span of the average zoomer

>>150966078 (OP)
>>turned thousands of aspiring writers into checkbox-ticking retards churning out uninspired slop because otherwise it "might not fit in" thus missing the point of fiction
To be fair, people leaning into tropes happened before Tv Tropes became big enough to matter, it just made it worse.
The site's not super useful and everyone there has some form of autism, but I at least get some mileage out of knowing that we, the chads with SFW fetishes like inflation and pregnancy, can use TvT as a way to find more content regarding those fetishes.

I use TV Tropes so I could get brief gist of movies I don't want to waste time watching and their plot/characters so I could shitpost on /tv/ as if I know what I'm talking about.
It's actually more useful than Wikipedia in that regard.

I'll only pay to use TV Tropes if they remove all the poz. I don't need to be reminded of "values dissonance" when a character in 2010 doesn't worship trannies.

>>150968133
kiwifarms is a dedicated gangstalking website

>>150968435
Well, to put this way, academics that analyze fictional works tend to explain items from fiction in general terms "tropes", "themes", "motifs", "archetypes", etc.

Tvtropes doesn't really do that, it's lumps all the above into "tropes". Then it takes a "trope", like "badass" and splits that off in to bunch of semi related tropes with a twist!. Then we get things like "bad grandpa", "badass cutie", or "bad cripple". It comes off like a bit autistic.

I think it's like that because the founder, Fast Eddie/Gus Raley is a computer programmer. He didn't think like a humanities major.

>>150968503
Yeah? And? Are they doing anything illegal?

>>150969634
I didn't say they were. I said they're faggots who act like the worst kind of women.

>>150968197
>https://tropedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tropedia
I recall that being the one that Fandom decided to redirect every other TVT rip-off made by pissed-off ex-TVT users to because of all the "redundancy."

>>150968133
The vast majority of KF is the exact same caliber of loser they tend to pick on, which is why the site exists to begin with.
>a-at least i'm not him, lole!

>>150968435
>But language already works that way?
Why are you asking him that?

>>150969680
>The vast majority of KF is the exact same caliber of loser they tend to pick on
I can't speak for my fellow farmers, but I happen to be a fit, straight Aryan male with zero mental disorders.
>>150969246
"Gangstalking" does not exist.
>>150968521
Exceptions rather than the rule.
>>150968300
Nonsense, it's always for a good reason. They were never "decent" people to begin with.

>>150966096
The entirety of Rick & Morty

>>150969634
>Yeah? And? Are they doing anything illegal?
Doxxing is illegal in some states

>>150969842
null said he was iban: https://archive.fo/Z3ebd#post-1734963

I despise how Tv Tropes users justifies deleting pages for "violating" their content violation policy but pages like Made in Abyss and Cuties stay. It's a blatant display of their biases.

It's also funny how they locked the Content Violations Review from being viewed by unregistered users and no longer warned pages that they are subjected to being reviewed.

Quite possibly to prevent people from archiving those pages and moving the content to the fork wikis.

>>150969842
You're retarded, you worship the forum version of a woman's gossip magazine ran by a brainlet who doesn't realize he's become the thing he hated along with enabling shitty people by giving them the attention they so desire.

People don't deserve harassment(even if the site says it doesn't do such) just for being part of internet subgroups you personally do not like because of bad eggs within said subgroups.

>>150969921
>muh woman's gossip magazine
Seriously, is that all you have?
Not even going to read the rest of your post. Just pathetic.

>>150969956
>zero reading comprehension

Your site enabled Chris' bad behavior by giving him attention and by Null trying to help him.
You hate furries and lolicons just because they exist even if they personally didn't cause any harm.
You advocate for free speech on the internet and yet actively plug your ears when said free speech includes the things you don't like.
You are scum, your site is scum and Null is basically Lowtax at this point.
The internet will improve drastically once Null dies, either by his own hands or by some "lolcow" finally fed up with him and his site's shit.

>>150969842
As much as I appreciate KF for providing proper info and discussion ,I can't help but point out how you and some of the users are getting too high up their horses for their own good.

4chan and Something Awful used to be like KFs and look at what they become today. Don't think that KFs is immune to suffering from decline.

>>150969842
>>150969906
>>150969956
>null said he was iban: https://archive.fo/Z3ebd#post-1734963
null talks about having cp and encrypting it:

https://archive.md/RNNPL#80%

TV Tropes still exists ?

>>150970246
There's 2 threads on it.

>KF
Senpai noticed!

>>150966353
They are.

>>150966078 (OP)
Does anyone use this website unironically?

Don't worry, that sites been dying for years. Barely anyone still uses it as a checklist.

>>150967925
Zoomers don't watch anything. They watch millennial video essays about things to get their opinions

>>150973574
and this is why anime wonned while /co/ lostaroo

>>150972455
Yes. I've found that when you're interested in obscure 00s series, TVTropes usually has more random facts about them than anywhere else on the internet. Mainly since those articles are ancient and largely untouched by the more recent community, so they were written by older autists.

>>150966078 (OP)
God, this shit is unusable on mobile

>>150973574
>Zoomers don't watch anything.
*Read
Try to make a Zoomer, let alone a alpha gen, to read a single tv tropes page
Unless its a fanfic where the character they love are raping each other they will not read anything on this planet

>>150973859
wtf I love tvtropes now

>>150969842
What do you think of Aisterion being on your userbase?

>>150968138
>Got any alternatives?
Read a fucking book. Stop observing tropes as tropes and see the story as a complete entity.

>>150972455
I use to use it to find examples of my fetish in media (especially webcomics). Sadly it is no longer useful as the website hardly updates its pages.

>>150966078 (OP)
That's not exactly what happened. It made a bunch of midwits thinks they were actually smart because they knew a few tropes.

>>150966309
Someone who wants to keep the lights on.
As someone who grew up on AOLhell complete with fucking popup screamer ads, the reason we have adblock is because internet ads were fucking bullshit. You want to have some small relatively unobtrusive ads on your website? Go ahead. If they cross the line into being a pain in the ass I'll either avoid you or spend hours trying to find a workaround out of pure spite. But this shit? Meh.

>>150966078 (OP)
TV Tropes is a fan site, not a cookbook. That's the thing amateur artists need to understand about the website.

>>150968499
Yes, this is common for niche wikis. Rationalwiki was a fantastic knowledge source on fake science/snake oil stuff until it became insufferably liberal.

>>150966078 (OP)
What I hate the most is that their page for Jim Broadbent had a link to their "Ha Ha You Said X" in the name of the town he was born in, Holton "cum" Beckering. It was removed recently. Fucking buzzkills.

>>150976983
This. No, you shouldn't use this as basis for literary criticism, nor for how to write. But if you're sitting there going "hmm, how common ARE 'evil trio' villains" this is where you look.

>>150977001
>Reality's liberal bias strikes again

>>150977145
>>Reality's liberal bias strikes again
>Source: my ass

Still the best website on the internet. The amount of articles in the YMMV sections determines if it's something people actually care about or if it's shilled crap.

>>150977221
Actually my source is reality.

>>150977282
I'm a conservative and my source is reality

>>150976983
I just find it funny people think, "With this collective knowledge of autistic nerds, I write my work of fiction!"

yeah, creative writing doesn't work like that.

>>150966309
What's funny is that it's not too hard to bypass their block/ban with content blocking. I spent some time experimenting around with it last night, kek.

>>150966096
I made it up

>>150978285
They should've switched to Mediawiki when they had the chance. Now they're stuck that customized PMWiki coding.

I stopped wasting time on TVTropes back when they let some obviously butthurt shipper re-write the entire Endtown page to suit his hate-boner for the comic. It went from a basic look at the comic and related tropes to being a short summary of the plot and then a lot of insults about the comic and the creator. Last I checked, those edits were still in place.
No point in seeking information in a website that's just the opinions of the most autistic fans.

>>150968435
The problem is that tvtropes has several names for tropes that gets dated in time. A good example is "Jossed". It made sense at the time because the wiki was founded by Whedon fanboy. But as new editors in over time, the term became a relic of a time before Whedon's rep got trashed because of the scandals.

>>150976238
Between this shit and Cinema Sins it made every retard think they were media experts despite missing every single point ever.

>>150966078 (OP)
I thought everyone collectively quit bothering with tvtropes around 2013ish. The time it got a little too autistic for normal brained people to be able to stand it any longer.

>>150979140
It's yet another example of how sycophantic this modern generation is. I remember them trying to argue up and down that Avengers Arena wasn't a shit book but a CULT FAVORITE.

>>150980153
That was a time of tropers getting pissed with how Gus was running the site. Funny that Gus was libertarian in the beginning but over time he just became heavy handed on he dealt with issues with the site and users.

>>150980108
The problem is that so many fanboys just want any excuse to mention whatever they're a fanboy of. Even if it's something that DOESN'T apply to the trope in question it will get added as a "Subversion"

>>150980294
Yeah, I've seen the term "averted" so many times. I mean if piece of media doesn't have the trope in it, why put there in the first place?

>>150974224
But why though?

>>150966078 (OP)
I'm pretty sure the site started as a government psyop. Like an experiment in using internet lingo as a form of language control. Repeating themes across various shows didn't used to be called tropes, they were called cliches. But then Anita Sarkesian used the word in the title of her series and suddenly it was everywhere.

>>150981867
cliches are a good thing.

>>150980232
To me it became less and less useful as a resource because of what >>150967595 and >>150967576 said.
They kept making more and more and more categories, most off them only having one or two examples at best, making it much harder to find anything. And then adding in WAAAAY too many references to low level to unknown fanfiction that 90% of humanity cannot ever care about.

>>150981867
>Repeating themes across various shows didn't used to be called tropes, they were called cliches
A cliché is a trope that's been overused to the point it's lazy and unimaginative to use it in writing. A "trope" is just anything that's appeared more than once in fiction. But you're right that people get them confused, often in the really stupid way of thinking every trope is a cliché and therefore all writing is bad because everything contains "tropes".

>>150972455
Information and recommendations on Japanese videogames/vns that are too weeb for gamefaqs.
I also used to be able to find out-there stuff with DID that I wouldn't have seen otherwise but they gutted all their bondage pages except for ironic examples.

>>150966078 (OP)
>now aggressively ejecting people for adblock
This is the only the that's aggravating me; I don't even have an ad blocker, but if you shut off internet so you can just read it offline that stupid fucking message pops up instead about 20% of the time.

>>150966078 (OP)
>go to see if it's real
>uBlock origin is on
>open up the front page
>click random trope a few times
>not a single ad or anything telling me to turn my adblocker off
why did you lie to me OP

>>150968133
You must be at least 18 years old to post on 4chan.

>>150967925
Good. The old blood on that site is what's holding it back. The newer pages are actually written like the guy who made them goes outside

>>150966078 (OP)
Buffy the vampire slayer was a mistake

>>150977278
It's also true on their end. Check out the Star Wars sequel pages and TLOU2 and you'll see how protective they are. Literally no criticism allowed on either

>>150983176
The people behind ublock are based and got on the case quickly, that's why

>>150969842
>straight aryan male
>zero mental disorders
Pretty sure grooming and kiddy diddling are mental disorders Vic.

I don't think I've been to TV Tropes since 2012, it's not worth getting upset over

>>150983277
I think a lot of the old blood were banned or just left the site.

>>150983432
Well that tends to happen when a lot of them are pedophiles and the dude protecting them quits

>>150981925
They're neither a good thing or a bad thing. They're just a thing. Joseph Campell, when he wrote his book wasn't making a statement it was an observation about humanities nature. I think it was Tolkien who, when he did his Beowulf translation, complained that so many critics were too busy trying to critique the story that they forgot how to read it. They didn't see the story for what it was because they were focused on analyzing it and taking it apart for cultural significance. This is the most offensive issue with things like TV Tropes and Cinema Sins. They warped a generation into over analyzing a work before they actually experience it. They go in ready to jump at any "trope" they know without minding the context surrounding it. Without letting the story tell itself. We have a whole group of people, obsessed with proving their own genre savvy that it feels like they're actively in a competition with it. They go out of the way to guess twists then call it predictable if they're right. They're obsessed with seeing an end even if they miss the journey. It's complete disengagement.

>>150966078 (OP)
It ruined how people think about stories and characters. They don't think about characters as people you can understand and empathize with (even if you disagree or hate them), they think of characters as a set of checkboxes.

>>150984012
That's one of main beefs with the site. Their troper minds are so focused with breaking works into "tropes" that can't really see a work as a work but a collection of tropes.

>>150984012
This is why people liken it to trainspotting and why so many of the people heavily invested in the idea of "tropes" are autistic. They can just say
>I recognise that trope!
like a railfan who's happy when he can identify a train he sees. It's about taking pride in the recognition of something they're familiar with rather than any deeper human identification with the characters, themes or narrative as a whole.

You people keep getting angry at an issue you have no evidence is actually happening.

>>150984576
Even tv tropes and it's forks have "Rail Enthusiast" listed but I don't think tropers have the self awareness to know how similar their hobbies are trainspotters..

>>150984733
The thing is, like being a railfan I don't think there's anything wrong with it in itself. But trope recognition is not something any normal person engages in when experiencing a narrative story. They're there for the emotions it makes them feel, the investment in the characters and their stories. Like can you imagine if it was say, an encyclopedia listing what songs featured particular chords and time signatures? I imagine the reaction of most music listeners to that would be
>who the fuck cares? I just enjoy the songs
which is the same reaction most people would have to being informed something is a trope. Or that the train they're riding is being hauled by a GE Dash 8-32BWH. If you're into that, fine. But it doesn't actually say anything about the quality of something or anyone's enjoyment of it.

>>150967601
That did get annoying. Especially if something was flavor of the week. It was also annoying how they HAVE to make a Crowning Moment of Funny/Awesome/Tearjerker page for EVERY show just to make it. Even if something is the first episode.

I swear, a show about a kid with a teddy bear going to play in their backyard could get:
> Tearjerker
> Timmy has a stuffed bear, he plays with which means he might not have any friends. Ouch.
> Timmy is friends with Sally, but that gets one wondering if he's only friends with Sally because he HAS the bear to practice on first. If someone had taken the bear away from him, he might not have ever met Sally in the first place. This Troper needs a moment...

>Crowning Moment of Heartwarming
When Timmy said Hi to Sally AND SHE SAID HI BACK!

> Crowning Moment of Awesome
> Timmy and Sally running around his backyard in a circle in what can only be described as an Epic Fun Time.

> Crowning Moment of Funny
> When Timmy tripped and fell on his BUTT. Talk about a gut buster

> Nightmare Fuel
> What if this show had a bit of a darker tone? This Troper barely slept last night thinking about how Timmy's fall might not have been such a minor event in some other shows. *shiver*

> Dethroning Moment of Suck
When Timmy's Mom said they had to come in for a snack break

> Truth In Television
> Children are still growing, and often need healthy snacks to recoup their energy from playtime. Timmy's Mom might have interrupted their playtime, but she showed she was a MoralGuardian and possibly WiseBeyondHerYears by doing so. Perhaps even bordering on StealthMentor.

>>150983176
I only get the ad block messages when signed out

>>150968197
Based, Thanks

>>150969909
What got me is when they started locking down the ability to make a new trope page unless their Mods approved it. I tried like five times to make a trope page about how everybody in fiction tends to drink straight liquor with no chaser or mixer by default and they said it was too similar to Japanese Salarymen Always Drink Saporo or something stupid and denied it.

>>150977145
>Reality has a liberal bias
> That's why everything has to be censored and/or misrepresented because the free flow of information always disproves my assertions

>>150980108
That can be annoying but I don't have a problem with it. If anything it annoys me when they change it to make it more modern. I've never watched Star Trek but I thought it was fun to talk about someone getting Wharf'd

>>150980381
They really don't understand it's purpose, are dishonest, or just so autistic they think the box needs to be checked. I could see taking the time to specify when a piece of Vampire media averts the no sunlight thing, or a werewolf isn't killed by a silver bullet, etc. Something that's such a staple it's almost a cliche and present in almost every version of the thing except a couple of examples that purposely don't do it.

To just go: HeroesLikeRedheads Averted! There are no red heads in Star Wars is missing the point.

>>150984611
jews should be banned from the internet.

>>150968197
I did edit at All the tropes for a time but tired of the gatekeeping. You have to wait for a time until a mod approves it. The mods at that place wonder why they don't have a lot editors. Gee I wonder why. It not transparent on how many good faith edits you need to get pass the probation other than "a lot". After seeing how that place is run, I just copied all the edits I made there and put them at Tropedia.

Tropepedia is more active but the mods there get help from the fandom staff and bots. Which then censor a lot cuss words and porn works. If don't mind the staff being overly protective of trans folk, it's an okay place to edit.

>>150984576
There's been a real lack of empathy, and I use this word VERY begrudgingly, literacy in regards to media. It feels like people can't even process the difference between fiction, which often operates on the need for symbolism and drama, and what they might think or do themselves. They treat the narrative and characters like they have the same meta knowledge the readers do.

>>150968151
I've fallen into this hole and I don't know how to fix myself.

>>150985280
That one is well known and predates tv tropes. Even the actor Michael Dorn noticed and brought it up Roddenberry. Only to be told to get out.

When he brought in for DS9, he had it in his contract not to get thrown around when he was in fight.

>>150985020
>The thing is, like being a railfan I don't think there's anything wrong with it in itself
Not by itself, no. We should study elements of what makes stories work and what doesn't. But that's something separate. Something that should be saved for a rewatch. There's a time to watch for engagement and a time for analysis.

>>150985457
Accept that avoiding tropes in your writing is an utter impossibility, they're elements of every single story. Tropes are only bad if they are also clichés, and you can find plenty of advice on avoiding clichés in your writing. Just write. Pay the very idea of tropes no mind.

>>150985537
A few of these were pretty general industry terms and slang you'd throw around. Tropes just takes it too extreme. Any moment a viewer doesn't like now can be "JUMPING THE SHARK" when the original term didn't just mean a stupid episode it meant a point where you can pinpoint a shows exact change in tone and style for the worse.

>>150968197
Tropedia is a decent archive if nothing else. I use it for Baby Got Back. I remember a controversy last year where the new admin(?) of the website just openly said that he wanted to ruin everything by instituting a bunch of new rules to trim the fat. Literally everyone was up in arms because what would be the point of an alternate site? I think he got cut.

>>150985632
I remember one of admins got booted from fandom for arguing about transwomen. One of staff called it transphobia and got the admin unpersoned. Dealing this pronoun crap is annoying.

>>150980381
I think it's for tropes that are so common that aversions are a rarity.

>>150986303
That feels like expectation vs what really happened.

>>150966870
Didnt know tv tropes produced radicalized incels that commit massacres in the name of their permavirginity.

>>150966078 (OP)
>>150967950
heres a fun challenge
go to a tv tropes nightmare fuel page and see how long you last before getting angry

>>150985605
>Any moment a viewer doesn't like now can be "JUMPING THE SHARK" when the original term didn't just mean a stupid episode it meant a point where you can pinpoint a shows exact change in tone and style for the worse.
They have even more retarded slang like "Big Lipped Alligator Moment."

>>150986693
which didn't even make sense when walker pushed it.

>>150966078 (OP)
i think you're confusing tvtropes with cinema sins, or you watch too many shitty video essays where they autistically whine about a trope

>>150966078 (OP)
Old /co/ loved this site. We'd even edit it.
Most of the superhero tropes? The 90s boys cartoon tropes? That was us.

>>150969760
It's an argot abbreviating the phrase.
The complete sentence would be
"Why are you complaining about that when that is the way language works?"
All language evolves into abbreviations and shorthands and this one is pretty well known

>>150984012
>>150984576
>>150985416
Damn these are actually some insightful posts

>tfw wrote not one, but multiple fanfics that got their own TV Tropes page

Get on my level, peons.

>>150987175
If my writing ever gets published I'm not even going to look.

>>150987196
I don't suspect I'll ever become a major in the industry, but all the same the very idea of potential fan interaction terrifies me to no end.

>>150987196
There was anon that mentioned that using tarot cards as storytelling aid was better than using tvtropes. Then another anon mention admitted he did use the cards to write a story.

>>150987175
Was one of them the TGWTG Hookerverse?

>>150966078 (OP)
I think writers should normalize adding characters that make fun of tvtropes (and wikia) and tell you how to install adblock just so it's impossible to actually get a page for that work on that website

>>150968197
>>150985364
>"All edits must be approved by the mods"
god fucking dammit I just know it's because of spambots, isn't it? every fucking problem I've had with a website was because of spambots. Spamton, I want you dead and your bloody head on a stake.

>>150986577
It made trannies cracking eggs

>>150969906
>LET ME DIG UP BLOCKLAND FORUM POSTS FROM 17 YEARS AGO
fuck off who cares. shit is literally older than he was when he made those posts

>>150966078 (OP)
You're overthinking and overvaluing the effect this website and tropes in general had on anything.

>>150966078 (OP)
>"durrr, looks like you got adblockers. Can u turn em off pls?"
>reload page
>can browse page without seeing ads

>>150988697
Really? That's hilarious. Emblematic of the site's decline, too.

>>150988747
Probably because I'm just using Brave

>>150988793
>tfw Brave is fucking great EXCEPT for not being hooked into a major search engine

I simply can't escape the convenience of having Google Search at my fingertips with Chrome. That said, Brave is still pretty handy.

>>150988553
I understand why that is. There was wave vandalism at allthetropes at one point and the admins put up a heavily mod gate to keep out the vandals. At the time, it seemed like a good idea. The problem was the mods are busy with RL stuff to watch the site and there are too few of them to check. It's made worse by tropers adding in pages for non existent works. That pushed back the wait time from I think was few days to week to waiting three weeks is any changes any user made. Still, it made the mods seem overly paranoid about new users. I believe that lead to the wiki to have even less views than tropedia.

Who wrote this?

>>150989086
Whoever typed that must've some transformation fetish.

>>150989324
It really does feel like the guy who wrote the unnecessarily detailed description of the blueberry scene on the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory wiki had a hand in writing certain parts of this.

>>150988825
fanfic anon?

>>150988825
Google sucks. You search for anything and you're just gonna get ads or reddit. God I miss the old internet.

>>150985280
>I've never watched Star Trek
Why not?

>>150985575
aren't tropes just cliches for hipsters?

>>150966078 (OP)
Get over it OP, you got banned for being a retard and shouldn’t bring your complaining retardation to /co.

>>150989373
He's probably one of those blueberry gooners on Tumblr or Deviantart.

>>150990908
No. See >>150982661. Trying to avoid cliches is good. Trying to avoid “tropes” in your writing is like trying to avoid using words.

>>150991180
sounds to me like if you read enough you'll inevitably consider everything to be cliche because you've already seen it all

>>150991232
That is literally the inverse phenomoenon tof what OP is talking about. Bad writers read TVtropes and think
>Yeah! I like that trope! I'll include it!
and their writing just becomes entirely derivative of existing works they like. People who might otherwise be good writers read TVtropes and think
>Shit, I can't use that, it's a TROPE
and end up stymieing their writing by trying to invent new tropes like an alchemist trying to turn lead into gold. There is nothing new under the sun. But it's entirely possible to write engaging fiction readers enjoy. Every successful author's works has a TVtropes page, that doesn't stop them from selling books or their writing being good.

>call it a trope
>it's actually your obscure fetish
>free content aggregator
When one was it for you, anon?

I am the one putting his fetishes in the examples on Tvtropes.

>>150991287
The main issue the wiki is that it gives the impression that stories can be built with tropes like lego blocks.

>>150985575
Wrong. Look at what Japanese light novels are like. They're awful. They're fucking dogshit. People should be made aware of tropes.

>>150993072
>still confusing tropes and cliches
>confusing tropes for just dogshit writing
Anon, go read the TVtropes page for your favourite book. Go read the pages for some of the most highly regarded books in the English language. I guarantee they all contain multiple tropes because a "trope" is literally just anything that's appeared in fiction more than once. It's fucking meaningless.

>>150993127
Being oblivious to tropes and cliches is a big problem with anime slop consumers though.

>>150993173
>consumers
That's your problem there, really. The entire Jap LN/anime adaptation industry is based on churning out the same shit they know sells. So people keep writing the same tired shit and the corpos keep picking it up. Because people keep buying it. I dunno how you fix that, but it's not the fact that tropes are simply present in all fiction which is the problem, that's what I'm saying.

Poasting in a pointless thread.

>>150968138
You sit your white ass down and listen, you make the story first and then let them talk about muh tropes

>>150993072
They're dogshit because people who write them are shit at writing. E.g. making sure that basic fucking story beats work correctly. There is nothing inherently wrong with these.

>>150966078 (OP)
>Thank fucking god. This site was a tumor, especially for /co/ntent.
>was
What happened?

>>150994043
Third worlder

>>150994202
They've started blocking some shitty addblocks.

>>150991435
Trans Audience Interpretation
Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold

At this point they're just splitting hairs.

>>150994219
Tranny

>>150993173
Cliches make sense because they're based on real life. They're relatable to people. That's why they stick around for so long. Tropes are retarded though. They're an extremely idiotic way of looking at stories.
>Jerkass Woobie Badass Normie had a Big Lipped Alligator Moment. Jossed. Lampshaded.
That's how TV Tropes retards think of movies and stories. That's how they analyze things.

>>150994399
But enough about you

>>150966141
"site is cool. It's interesting to browse", it only sort of used to be, before that guy took over, deleting all "problematic" tropes. We call the site tranny tropes now for a reason. All the tropes is superior (still not saying much)

>>150994487
>no u!
How many minors have you groomed today?

>>150977989
It's the same mindset as people who think AI can write their story for them. You are going to have to draw from something more personal than just other people's collective knowledge if you want to make something special. That does not mean write your life story with a thin veneer of fantasy like a recent Pixar movie, but it does mean you have to be creative and have inspiration. You can't expect to find success just by copying and remixing from an index of things that other people have made like a DJ. That mindset is what gets you millennial writing.

Picrel is a list of banned phrases from the writing room at Workaholics. You've probably seen all of them in badly written "funny" shows and movies, and heard them in casual conversations. When people engage in cannibalistic writing they inevitably start copying from things that were already copied from somewhere else and it all starts breaking down, just like an AI starts breaking down when it starts copying other AI.

>>150994502
>I love lamp
Most of those I completely agree with being overused, but outside of Anchorman where it originated the only other place I saw this used was in the context of Luna Loud memes on /co/.

>>150990878
Too old

>>150968132
where ad, retard?

>>150969634
No, but they're lame, which should be grounds for execution. Unlovable incels should die so that chad can get even more pussy.

>>150969956
>salty that they got hacked by sharty
cry moar

>>150991527
Yes. That is indeed how stories how written.

>>150991232
Have you ever read about THE SEVEN BASIC PLOTS. If you break things down far enough nothing is or will ever be completely 100 percent original. But you shouldn't be focused so blindly on making something new as you should quality. Everything has been done before long before the modern age but that doesn't mean you can't still be unique in other ways.

>>150994941
No it's not, sanjay

>>150994941
No it's not, you illiterate. That so many stories overlap is incidental not intentional. Nobody is looking at their story outline like it's a baking recipe and seeing "this calls for a cup of TROPE X, a pinch of TROPE Y and stirred with TROPE Z." When Tolkien had Frodo come home but feel out of place that wasn't because he was doing it as a trope, it was because he had real life experience and felt that way. Because it was something that happens and after everything that happened it made sense for his character.

The best thing to come out of TVTropes was Troper Tales, because it gave us all perfect clarity into the type of turbo autist supremes who contributed to the terrible articles and came up with the awful slang names for tropes they tried to invent. I'm so glad I downloaded all of the This Troper videos so I can always remember that particular community.

>>150968133
>Farmers only go after the most laughable and morally reprehensible individuals in our society.
kiwifarms doxxed the dude that was shitting himself while playing that mafia game and started calling the mother.

>>150994941
Naw, tropes are the result of storytelling not because tropes made the stories. It's akin to using AI or Mad Libs to make a story. Sure it's a story but it lacks personality of the author or "soul".

>>150969634
doxxing people is illegal

>>150994960
>If you break things down far enough nothing is or will ever be completely 100 percent original.
This is why AI will make stories that are waaaayy better than shit like Japanese light novels.

>>150993173
They're not oblivious, they want and desire those tropes and cliches and the moment something they're watching decides to buck the trend even slightly they shit themselves in rage over it.

>>150995081
not according to X

>>150994502
>You can't expect to find success just by copying and remixing from an index of things that other people have made like a DJ.
george lucas

>>150993173
>>150993221
>>150995105
Tbh western cartoons are even more filled with tropey and cliche shit than anime. You could have never gotten some of the fantastic stuff that you got in anime in the western cartoon industry.

>>150995081
not according to X

>>150995125
People point at the Japanese shit but a lot of western cartoons are just as bad. They're almost always going to have the same highschool clique drama that really hasn't existed in decades or some annoying bullshit drama about relationships and crushes. The only difference is that while Japan will have their feckless pud hero being the object of vacuous bimbos affections, western media will have their feckless pud of a hero barely be a blip on the radar of said vacuous bimbos.

>>150970246
Only good section was the user submitted section for things like ‘astonishing moment of badassery’ where they’d self-report on how autistic and delusional they were.
A shame they removed it

>>150995157
It's not even cartoons, most media in general nowadays is filled with repetitive cliches, just look at capeslop.

>>150995123
George Lucas brought something personal to Star Wars that nobody else was able to replicate. He wanted watching the movie to feel like a religious experience, like what was happening on screen was something of biblical importance, and he succeeded. Even the more modern sources from which he was pulling inspiration, like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, had also fallen into obscurity by the time Star Wars came out because back then there was no home media, and people didn't cling on to old media the way they do today. Of course, Star Wars was such a big success that everyone immediately started trying to revive everything that Lucas was inspired by, from old sci-fi IPs to Greek mythology, although none of them were met with much success.

>>150995169
>user submitted section for things like ‘astonishing moment of badassery’ where they’d self-report on how autistic and delusional they were.
Any funny examples?
>>150995125
Yeah anime hast stuff like Cowboy Bebop Mushishi Ghost in the shell Patlabor Gosenzosama etc 90% of every medium is shit but in terms of much interesting diverse series that cover a variety of niches and topics you'll find way more of them in anime than cartoons(even for ln adaptations slayers and katanagatari were pretty good) so i find these complaints pretty stupid

>>150995183
It's surprising how even taking the frame work of a story and changing the genre can give things it's own perspective. The Dollars movie series is pretty much just Kurosawa but, despite what lawyers might say, I think it does add a lot of uniqueness. Eastwood and Mifune were VERY different characters.

>>150995199

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO826hQ2W3w22Z4HKDzkFBEMUOre5cRQU

Have a fun afternoon.

>>150995215
Thanks

>>150994722
So?

>>150995264
No shows that are old are visually good or worth talking about. SO it only makes sense to watch shows that are currently airing.

>>150995287
This seems like a cognitive bias.

>>150994755
Does that music note in the taskbar let you control Youtube videos on other tabs? That's the biggest thing I miss from changing from Chrome to Firefox.

>>150994493

ATT has a canadian woketard whining about Trump and banning the site biggest contributos for saying the wrong opinion about a mockumentary about the CSA.

I think some of the TVT mods monitor threads like these since sometimes they end up locking forums that get screencapped.

>>150994960
if only it were so easy to be unique

>>150996531
Go back to Metapedia.

>>150994502
I'm not going to exclude the Elvis sandwich from existence just because bacon obsession is reddit humor. Fuck 'em.

>>150995401
How about you go onto pages for old mecha anime and give them more examples instead of bitch about how they don't get enough attention.

Or are you just all talk and too much of a pussy to actually improve things for the website

>>150966078 (OP)
Best use for TVTropes was for fanfiction recommendations. Deny it all you want but it's true.

>>150996718
where did this outburst come from, anon
go watch star trek

>>150996729
hey....you're not wrong
but those trickled off and died ages ago

>>150994502
>? more like_
but I like that spongebob joke

>>150995065
That guy was like, genuinely legitimately retarded. You have to be a pyscho ass nigga to pick on a literal retard.

>>150996729
>fanfiction recommendations
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

>>150996745
I don't watch 3dpd. Anime is the ultimate medium and all other forms of TV are inferior and must be wiped from existence so only the strongest may live.

>>150998011
That sounds like an anime otaku talking.

>>150969634
you stupid cunts wont be given access to our private internets. enjoy goyweb while it lasts.
no, you dont have archives and backups of everything meaningful, enjoy the scraps while it all rots away. I will make sure no feminist cuck simp gets access to our shit.

TV tropes was better when the autistic tubo spergs were unleashed with shit like Troper tales. The moment they cucked out and started removing stuff because of muh ads when the end

>>150996729
You could find some funny badfics on there if not actual peak, usually by those shilling their work or getting their friends to. Or a look into someone's severely disturbed wannabe novelist psyche.
>Frozenwolf150 aka Kyletheskeptic's "The Dream Master" where he self inserts as Stan Marsh dreaming about how everyone hates him for being smart, they all kill each other, and he becomes a beautiful based loup garou.

>>150993072
>>150993221
Just read better lns like Nision Isin's stuff or Boogiepop phantom. The best lns usually don't get translated overseas.
>on churning out the same shit they know sells
That's the true for every industry. You still have plenty of anime that experiment.