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Anonymous No.151092804 [Report] >>151092854 >>151092874 >>151093055 >>151093089 >>151093313 >>151093352 >>151093379 >>151093414 >>151093542 >>151093893 >>151094517 >>151094541 >>151094660 >>151094686 >>151095207 >>151095359 >>151095939 >>151095971 >>151098015 >>151098028 >>151098844 >>151099351 >>151101576 >>151101969 >>151103440 >>151103556 >>151104407 >>151104680 >>151105307 >>151106397
But Cartoon Youtubers told me that "indie animation" is the future just beacuse they have Dana Terrace and Olan Rogers
Anonymous No.151092854 [Report] >>151093380 >>151093436 >>151103548
>>151092804 (OP)
I usually am open to critiques of indie animation from the perspective that it's not as easy as people make it out to be and so many indie projects fail. However, it seems like this guy is mad because he thinks some YouTube animations are going to undermine union labor when unions have done a piss poor job helping animation and have been resorting to organizing Twitter yaoi artists as their main way to advocate for good wages and fair conditions. The New Deal for Animation seemed easy to undermine as getting antis mad about artists shipping the wrong characters.
Anonymous No.151092874 [Report] >>151093347 >>151093460 >>151093599 >>151098532 >>151101919
>>151092804 (OP)
It's funny how many of these indietoon-supporting people claim to be supportive of indie animation just because they mention the same 5 shows, most of which are owned by Glitch.

They act like supporting normie shit will save animation, many such cases...
Anonymous No.151093022 [Report] >>151093066 >>151093070 >>151098563
>WAHHHH WHY AM I NOT BEING PAID $80K A YEAR FOR DRAWING PICTURES
Do they not hear themselves?
Anonymous No.151093055 [Report] >>151093106 >>151093366
>>151092804 (OP)
>Olan Rogers

Isn’t he that faggot who made a sci-fi cartoon with that shitty ass generic millennial adult cartoon artstyle? Anybody who claims to support animation while giving their cartoons that garbage cheap ass artstyle deserves to be spanked.
Anonymous No.151093066 [Report] >>151093888
>>151093022
What’s that?
Anonymous No.151093070 [Report] >>151093775 >>151095391
>>151093022

Nice lack of empathy anon, would love how much money you get in your job..
Anonymous No.151093089 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)

Much of the videos are about Dana's show being "indie is the future over Disney" like these faggots did with Dreamworks being better than Disney in 2022 during the Puss In Boots 2 hype only to get mogged with Ruby Gillman being shit.
Anonymous No.151093106 [Report] >>151093537 >>151101969
>>151093055

I guess you will be a new one besides the usual Jeffyposter

https://desuarchive.org/co/search/filename/BENTO%20FOX%20SLOPtm.png%20/
Anonymous No.151093313 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
>Olan Rogers
He's a hack who go his own show cancelled and vaulted as a tax writeoff, so now he's moving on to ruining other peoples shows. At least Dana can draw. Olan is a narcissistic frat bro who sniffs his own farts because he made people laugh once at a comedy open mic night when he was in college.
Anonymous No.151093347 [Report]
>>151092874
The bottom is full of kino though, except for the shart house
Anonymous No.151093352 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
Why do you care what random niggas on the internet think?
Anonymous No.151093366 [Report]
>>151093055
>Isn’t he that faggot who made a sci-fi cartoon with that shitty ass generic millennial adult cartoon artstyle
Yes. And yet the way he talks about it, you'd think it was the deepest god damned show that has ever graced animation. He gives off serious BPD vibes.
Anonymous No.151093379 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
The fuck did he expect? Indie means essentially a garage/bedroom company, they can't afford to pay proper salaries, thats why its usually a bunch of friends essentially working out of their own pockets and agreeing on splitting earnings instead.
El Barto No.151093380 [Report]
>>151092854
ye honestly these folks are prolly rly lucky to have their passion projects spring off like that; entertainment doesn't come cheap
Anonymous No.151093414 [Report] >>151104333
>>151092804 (OP)
>union death
but that is good for everyone
Anonymous No.151093436 [Report]
>>151092854
>when unions have done a piss poor job helping animation
Unions job is to help their members (as they do).
Anonymous No.151093460 [Report]
>>151092874
some humor in using a Spongebob meme to call Spongebob a babyshow.
Anonymous No.151093537 [Report]
>>151093106
There are just some anons who post the same image more than once to make the same valid point when it’s relevant to the discussion, I’ve seen channers who do this a couple times before, there’s a difference between them and schizos who just spam shit daily.
Anonymous No.151093542 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
A lot of people don't understand that cranking out animation means you're left with two options

>pay everyone reasonable wages and have them work no more than they legally can (this results in your show not coming out for years)
>pay everyone dogshit wages and have them work overtime and crunch (your show will come out faster)

Studios outsourced to East Asia as soon as they could because they don't really have unions over there. America did which meant that if the animation was kept in-house, animated series would take much longer to come out and be more expensive (which meant every new show would be a gamble in terms of profit).

>but wages in America continued to stagnate (which meant luxury products like animation were no longer a priority)
>and then the 08 recession basically crippled the industry from making lots of episodes
>all while studios began making cuts and forcing employees to work the jobs of five people each
Anonymous No.151093599 [Report] >>151093836
>>151092874

>The Day That The Earth Blew Up as a niche adult film

You're more retarded
Anonymous No.151093775 [Report]
>>151093070
Lmao
Anonymous No.151093836 [Report] >>151095416
>>151093599
The Day the Earth Blew Up isn’t there because it’s a serious adult film, but rather because it’s a fully-cartoonist driven 2D one with massive creative control visible in it, something that’s very rare these days, and one that was given very little attention thanks to executives not marketing it. A film of any genre can be considered a niche film.

>Spiderverse is a normies action film, Wolfwakers is a niche animation enthusiasts action film
>Ratatouille is a normies drama film, Memoir of a Snail is a niche animation enthusiasts drama film
>Despicable Me is a normies comedy film, The Day the Earth Blew Up is a niche animation enthusiasts comedy film
Anonymous No.151093888 [Report]
>>151093066
me
Anonymous No.151093893 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
why do I open 4chan and get twitter gossip? can you kill yourself, OP?
Anonymous No.151094155 [Report] >>151094376 >>151095359
indie animation used to mean 8 minute funny as hell potato quality newgrounds animations made by one guy whenever he felt like it. Who probably had a real job or classes to do on the side
Anonymous No.151094376 [Report] >>151096495
>>151094155
There'd be occasional indie web cartoons back then that'd reach massive popularity, Happy Tree Friends was the OG indie web cartoon to spawn a franchise and make its way to TV, but for some reason indietoon enthusiasts dont acknowledge that fact.
Anonymous No.151094415 [Report]
meme arrows on twitter, of course it's some retard from 4chan
Anonymous No.151094517 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
>"indie animation" is the future beacuse they have Dana Terrace and Olan Rogers
>indie animation is just becoming a cesspit of LA industry creators whose shitty projects failed to pitch their dogshit ideas on name recognition alone
Not really looking forward to that. The minute Sugar enters indie it’s all over.
Anonymous No.151094541 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
This isn't even true, Glitch literally pays better than Disney TVA.
Anonymous No.151094660 [Report] >>151095319
>>151092804 (OP)
>Animators would much rather bitch, whine, screech, and whine some more than ever actually realize their chosen job is not an actual career field. Was only meant for wealthy nepo babies, and never once promised a means of ever actually making a living.
>Still refuse to go get an actual job after years of being broke

This is why people hate them and have no sympathies. They jumped into a field that is not a career. It's a child of rich families hobby at best. If you dad does not own Nike, quit trying to be a fucking animator! And quit trying to make your shit choices in life everyone else's problem.
Anonymous No.151094686 [Report] >>151094764
>>151092804 (OP)
AI cannot replace these whining fags fast enough....
Anonymous No.151094708 [Report]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WkJw1NsFBI
>give me money because....JUST DO IT OKAY
Anonymous No.151094764 [Report] >>151095207 >>151098060
>>151094686
Yeah but now you have those damn dirty no good prompt thieves ruining things for everyone!
Anonymous No.151094832 [Report] >>151095227 >>151095359
>union fags turning on indie animation
Indie animation is the future.
Anonymous No.151095207 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
So you're going to listen to some twitter cunts instead? Ok, I guess.
>>151094764
This shit is hilarious. Let the dumb faggots eat each other.
Anonymous No.151095227 [Report] >>151095359
>>151094832
Union vs indie animation Civil War when
Anonymous No.151095319 [Report] >>151095341 >>151098053
>>151094660
>People decide not to pursue animation anymore except for nepobaby drawstein
>Anons will then complain that all the new shows suck
What exactly do people want here?
Anonymous No.151095341 [Report]
>>151095319
The death of western animation.
Anonymous No.151095359 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
>>151094155
>>151094832
>>151095227
The blunt fact is that for all the people doing their own indy projects and everyone clamoring to get in on the indy animation train right now, they would ALL rather be doing mainstream stuff for a major studio and getting paid decent money for it. Almost none of these people want to be doing indy stuff, they just have to since there is barely any legit big studio work to be had. Lots of people have given up any hope of making it in a major studio, they are not going to live their dream of working on a Disney feature or a Nicktoon, they are never going to pitch their own pilot to Cartoon Network. Those days are gone, most of those places stopped hiring anyone years ago. And they are way WAAAAY down the line behind guys with huge and impressive resumes and lots of major award winning things they have worked on in the past. There is no hope for an up and comer or recent grad to get anywhere. Not when past showrunners of successful series have also been out of work and are begging for any scraps.

People are going indy because if they want to do anything animation they have to. There is no other choice. But, if there was a choice they would not be peddling their work on YouTube.
Anonymous No.151095391 [Report] >>151095470
>>151093070
My job brings material gain to the world at least
El Barto No.151095416 [Report]
>>151093836
and coyote vs acme is a normie animation enthusiasts comedy film
Anonymous No.151095470 [Report] >>151096016
>>151095391
and what job would that be
Anonymous No.151095939 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
every OP in your post is the same nigga so you're obviously Venz. eat a dick, twitterfag
Anonymous No.151095971 [Report] >>151096079 >>151098651 >>151103552
>>151092804 (OP)
Serious question how many anons here or animators that you guys know have job experience in the blue collar field?
Anonymous No.151096016 [Report]
>>151095470
>no immediate response
Kek, you got him on the ropes. Let's watch him wriggle out.
Anonymous No.151096079 [Report] >>151096120
>>151095971
Blue collar work is something that guys like to brag about but have never actually done
Just like anons who suggest working at McDonald's, no adult with self respect or an IQ over 80 would tolerate such a shit job for more than a few months
Anonymous No.151096120 [Report]
>>151096079
People need to be honest about how blue collar work is a good way to fuck up your body.
Anonymous No.151096416 [Report]
Indie animation and comic has become the garage rock band of NEET 20-something of today.
Anonymous No.151096495 [Report] >>151097646
>>151094376
The two first seasons RWBY, too. It became quite massive in Japan, just like TADC is now
Anonymous No.151097646 [Report]
>>151096495
Having a lot of cute girls in your show will do that
Anonymous No.151097720 [Report] >>151097772 >>151099515 >>151104369
Sounds like it’s time for a real job
Anonymous No.151097772 [Report] >>151097940
>>151097720
NOOOOOO FUCK YOU DAD I WANT TO MAKE A DISNEY CARTOON
Anonymous No.151097940 [Report]
>>151097772
Do both faggot
Anonymous No.151098015 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
does the guy in the twatter screencap have a point for once?
Anonymous No.151098028 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
God, I despise Xitter. The way people talk, the images they post, the air of schizophrenia, transsexualism, Redditism, the whole package. It unsettles me to my bones and wish all these people would just drop dead tomorrow.
Anonymous No.151098053 [Report]
>>151095319
We already complain about new shows sucking.
Anonymous No.151098060 [Report] >>151098068
>>151094764
we went from twitter artists complaining about their art being stolen by ai prompts to ai artists complaining about their ai prompts getting stolen
fellas, we have come full circle
Anonymous No.151098068 [Report]
>>151098060
I'm sure there's a way to take this further
Anonymous No.151098532 [Report] >>151103632
>>151092874
>animation is "cinema" when it's LE SAD and LE REDDIT TIER DARK HUMOR
Are you fucking kidding me!? Don't get me wrong, im not those fucking retards that suck the dick of reddit dogshit movies like Puss in Boots 2 and Spiderverse 2 just because they had LE PANIC ATTACK moment but im not going to give fuxking dogshit like memior of a snail, or mad god a pass just because it has some "dark subject matter". Those movies suck dogs dick! In cinema, we would call them "pretentious dogshit" but for some reason, hypocritical retards like to suck their dick because "LE EVIL CORPORATION" made a decent film that they dont like while unironically defending pieces of fucking shit companies like Viacom and the Wienstien company, go fuck yourself!
Anonymous No.151098563 [Report] >>151098573
>>151093022
>unironically posts a photo of a woman that get 10k an hour for showing her flat ass on camera while playing mediocre games
Smart idea, retard!
Anonymous No.151098573 [Report] >>151098585 >>151098611 >>151104718
>>151098563
Whats wrong anon, jealous you can't do the same thing?
Anonymous No.151098585 [Report]
>>151098573
Damn nigga you're jealous you can't draw tranny cal arts slop? That's a wild thing to be mad about but you do you.
Anonymous No.151098611 [Report]
>>151098573
If the ass was fat, I would understand. But she's bland as a bowl of cornflakes. Feel bad about her getting abused tho, her ex bf looks like a Jewish homosexual.
Anonymous No.151098651 [Report] >>151098835
>>151095971
Blue collar works are a myth. Most of the people in USA no longer works on traditional blue collar works. Today blue collar works include retail, hospitality, delivery and suchs. And even then, those are not the majority of the work force.
Anonymous No.151098835 [Report]
>>151098651
sometimes i wish i could get into blue collar work but i'm small and weak af and there's no way i'd last
Anonymous No.151098844 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
Oh no literally who on xitter dot com said that?? What a tragedy and also fucking kill yourself
Anonymous No.151099351 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
>people are animating entire episodes for $2
>indie showrunners are able to do this more than a handful of times
God damn, hollywood freaks are overpaid.
Anonymous No.151099515 [Report] >>151103485
>>151097720
>Art doesn't count as a job
>Doesn't blow artists out of the water by posting free animations on Youtube despite complaining about their cultural foothold 24/7
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Anonymous No.151100699 [Report]
The only people who dont want to see indy animation flourish are (((nepo cronies))) because they need waves of fresh grads to do the grunt work. If you are talented just make your own shit. Simple as, cut out the corpo bloat.
Anonymous No.151101576 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
Animation is shunned unless it's shit from Hololive.

And after the initial upload of the 1st day, the video "viewgain" dies by the algorithm's almighty hand.

This video was made 2 weeks after the whole Hasan Collargate exploded and YT just raped it into the ground, but Turkey Toms video who got made 2 days before got all the views.

https://youtu.be/nozw_pqgX6A?si=zYP4iFL3VhrUTL_v

Anyone's hope to make it without becoming a parasitic algorithm chaser leftist commie propagandist died when Susan Cuntshitsky became the CEO and suck dick for the chinks and now the Sjw's she left working at google are doing the same to the jeets.
Anonymous No.151101919 [Report] >>151103403
>>151092874
Mad God was a piece of shit.
Anonymous No.151101969 [Report] >>151102027
>>151092804 (OP)
>>151093106
Olan deserves an a-log, Final Space was one of the most insufferable overrated pieces of shit I've ever witnessed, the fact that he became a sort of de facto face of indie animation really shows how creatively bankrupt the west is. It's not that indie animation is hard to get into, the simple fact is these people don't have good ideas and cannot for the fucking life of them just accept that. People point at that Pibby guy like his situation is uniquely embarrassing when the truth is that's what all these guys are like. Creative dead ends who desperately want to be the next pendleton ward or rebecca sugar without having even a fraction of the creative spark those two had. The ice cold hard truth is this: Most people's "million dollar ideas" fucking suck and no one ends up caring in the end, point blank period. Just look at /hyw/ most of them will never ever make it not because they're bad at drawing despite them thinking it's the one and only reason for their lack of success, it's because their ideas and concepts on a foundational level are dull, boring, interesting only to them, and are often so aesthetically embarrassing and uncool, the average person recoils from them after only a few pages.

TL;DR most people are untalented, have no taste, and are simply not cut out to be independent artists leading an entire project
Anonymous No.151102027 [Report] >>151104195
>>151101969
Why do so many anons here seem so angry all the goddamn time. Not in the funny way either.
Anonymous No.151103403 [Report]
>>151101919
I want to like that film so badly cause of how much work was put into it and how it took 30 years to make but it just feels like a good example of style over substance, similar case with Thief and the Cobbler
Anonymous No.151103440 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
Lmao, the lowkey racism from these leftist union hacks. Why don't they ask thr mob for help?
Anonymous No.151103485 [Report]
>>151099515
haven't blown any artists
Anonymous No.151103548 [Report] >>151105615
>>151092854
SAG-AFTRA and the WGA have been notoriously easy to undermine. Need I remind you that the 2023 deal resulted in VAs being thrown under a bus. Then the 2024 strike got completely fucking stomped by the MiHoYo controversy when they tried to pressure a foreign company who literally couldn't sign a deal with them for twitter clout, even when said company already pledged to AI, THEN it leaked from a discord chat that multiple people organizing the strike were well aware of the 'foreign union' laws that a chinese Company like MiHoYo would have to follow.
The problem with all of these LA entertainment strikes is that the people at the face of it are always entertainers and celebrities and they can and will overhype it while tooting their own horn for clout. Meanwhile the studios typically have the ability to just wait it out and the economy doesn't take enough of a hit for the government to get involved and negotiate like other industries like cargo.
Therefore, the end result is almost always seen as a fucking joke
Anonymous No.151103552 [Report]
>>151095971
I'VE BEEN DOWN IN THE MINES FOR 42 HOURS.
Anonymous No.151103556 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
For me it seems as though the industry as a whole, indie aswell as professional, are in their own respective limbos atm. Indie is still in its proverbial Wild West phase, at least in terms of how these sprouting studios are conducting their businesses in a space that’s quickly growing to be bigger than ever before and navigating those growing pains on the fly. Meanwhile, the pro industry is absolutely fucked with people who have 20+ years of experiences and worked for every studio under the sun just saying “welp, learn to market yourself as an indie artist or find a new line of work until things are better”. Even fresh art school graduates are starting to say that recruiters are basically con artists asking portfolios purely out of obligation knowing that there’s no work to be had. It’s basically like you’re choosing between low pay/experience with indie or, well, nothing with the pro industry. Really hope things turn out well for both soon.
Anonymous No.151103632 [Report]
>>151098532
havent seen this asian chick's face in a while
Anonymous No.151104195 [Report]
>>151102027
If you lie down with dogs, you rise up with fleas.
Anonymous No.151104268 [Report] >>151104395
>Itt scribble-retards screaming about unions and volunteer work while everyone else is arming themselves for the upcoming race war.

Well, there'll be more jobs after the culling for sure. Pic unrelated.
Anonymous No.151104333 [Report]
>>151093414
No it isn't, corpocuck.
Anonymous No.151104369 [Report]
>>151097720
If you make money, it's a real job idiot
Anonymous No.151104395 [Report]
>>151104268
>racewar
It’s been 10 years polfag, it’s not happening
Anonymous No.151104407 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
Can't they just animate porn and get gooner whales to pay the massive sums of money?
Anonymous No.151104680 [Report] >>151105307
>>151092804 (OP)
>volunteer until you get better opportunity
this fucking cycle sucks so much
I've been volunteering since 2023 and I never got paid for any of my work
I'm literally a broke ass adult in college and I don't know why I keep working for people who act super kind but insist they can't pay anybody
Anonymous No.151104718 [Report]
>>151098573
Why do you want an anon who's likely male to do that, gaymo?
Anonymous No.151105307 [Report]
>>151104680
>>151092804 (OP)
>"natural slaves" aren't re-ACK!
Anonymous No.151105393 [Report]
>Cartoon Youtubers told me that "indie animation" is the future
Many Indie animators basically just live off Patreon bucks because putting effort into an animated short will not bring in the YouTube money the same way as someone like Asmongold or Critical shitting out a low-effort video every day about the random drama of the day.

Animation takes effort. And inceasingly animators can't even do it on their own. Look at Meatcanyon for example. A lot of people are under the impression he is a single guy that makes all his animations single-handedly when the reality is that he hires multiple people to get the animations done. But this is after years of making himself an established artist and cultivating an audience willing to fund his Patreon.
Anonymous No.151105615 [Report]
>>151103548
Anonymous No.151105647 [Report]
Oh boy it's a Twitter screenshot where anon regurgitates some opinion that he got from some grifter rather than having an original thought in his head kinda thread.
Anonymous No.151106397 [Report]
>>151092804 (OP)
I mean it's something to consider.
The problem is that people have been sold the dream that they can make full seasons of TV quality animation on YouTube. But that has a one in a million chance of working out. People need to experiment more with short formats like they used to on the old youtube/newground days. Stuff that you can realistically make by yourself or with a small team. You can go a long way with 3 minute shorts. Limited animation but with interesting visuals.
A lot of animators will rightfully complain about shitty practices used by big studios and the industry alike. But then will instantly turn and do the same when it's their turn to take those roles. Because you can't have two seasons of Helluva Boss free on youtube without paying your animators like shit. That's the sad truth.