Thread 151165808

Leaking Butch Hartman's two newest cartoon pilots because I can
https://litter.catbox.moe/pq46b5.mp4
https://litter.catbox.moe/qtfdhu.mp4

>>151165808 (OP)
>it's real
Also this is the first time I've heard of this "Angel Guild"

>>151165808 (OP)
>God made me do it.
Okay that got a laugh from me.

>>151165808 (OP)
>https://litter.catbox.moe/qtfdhu.mp4
Literally just FOP but angels instead of fairies.

>>151166006
at least the angels are cute

>>151165808 (OP)
Angel one looks like babyslop but Noah's ark cartoon is kinda fun

>>151165808 (OP)
>keeps his action figures in the box
This is the only truly reprehensible thing about him

>>151166301
The only action a Funko Pop does is being tossed into the trash where it belongs.

>only one talking ape
How did it get on the Ark? Shouldn't it have been left to drown with the nephilim?

>>151165924
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_(media_company)

tl;dr: Mormon film distribution company for Christian media.

>black screen

Let's try it again.

>>151165808 (OP)

Is Guy Moon forced to be in each Hartman project?

>>151166301
To be fair, FOP merch is a bit rare since there hasn't been a whole lot of it (since Nickelodeon had to share profits with Nelvana for years).

>>151165808 (OP)
>Bat Cave
>Closed due to licensing issues
That was a good joke

This may be a hot take but I feel like Butch Hartman artstyle was always shit, it’s just like Total Drama or a Canadian flash cartoon in the sense that it’s just a poor attempt at replicating the UPA/retro-flat style, compared to good attempts at replicating it like Dexters Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, or heck, even the 2000’s had more fun-looking UPA-styled cartoons in it like Grim Adventures, Clone High, and My Life as a Teenage Robot. I never understand why so many people like LS Mark try to replicate his style outside of nostalgia, it’s "generic 2000’s cartoon" embodied. Honestly Butchs art was at its most appealing during the 90’s with his What a Cartoon pilots.

>>151166451
>file deleted

Here we go…

>>151166759
Coolsies,
but that's not the discussion here.

>>151165808 (OP)
We’ve come a long way. The guy who made this cartoon back in the 60’s got fired due to "blasphemy."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g-yp0Hs8L18

>>151165808 (OP)
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

>>151166759
Form your own opinion faggot. You never thought this before that tweet.

>>151166759
>I never understand why so many people like LS Mark
people like to dickride e-celeb slop instead of forming actual opinions of their own

>>151166451
>Angel Studio
best known for their infamous big hit Sound of Freedom from 2023

>>151166915
Never seen this before, thanks for sharing.

>>151165924
It's Angel Studios thing which I thought they used to sidestep having their movies rated but they go in for ratings anyway. Which is weird because theaters will screen unrated movies if it is a horror movie(like Terrifier) or is from a studio/distributor people know to be explicitly religious and therefore won't put out anything that will be objectionable to their exclusively religious audience, Angel Studios movies don't need ratings. Though there are parents out there who say Sketch(actually a great movie, hot loli, go watch it) should've been PG-13 because it is too scary for small children so who knows

>>151166759
>it’s "generic 2000’s cartoon" embodied
Exactly, it has generic appeal

>>151165924
And this is another example of "people on 4chan do not into movie theaters". For quite a while there is always at least one Angel Studios picture in theaters

>>151165808 (OP)
The Noah one was supprisingly good. Not kino, but way better than the sludge he's been churning iut recently. My question is how does he expect to turn it into a full series? You're pretty limited in the scenarios you can do (unless you want to have Noah find land at somepoint and shift the focus to be about him rebuilding civilization, which would be kinda sick). Would work better as shorts imo.

Also, not a big fan the human designs. Noah himself is great, but almost everyone else just does not fit with the setting. Also, what's up with theme guys? Noah had them all with the same chick so why do they have such drastically diffrent skin tones?

The other one was eh. The animation was fine. Seems they're trying to riff on A New Wish's artstyle.

Still, supprised to see Butch put out something or acutally decent quality.

I'm still in shock after watching that movie Butch had made recently. A Garden Cartoon Movie: The Greatest Thing Ever turned out to be one of the most craziest, deepest pieces of art I had ever seen. Lenny the lion and Lucy the sheep losing their friends in a horrific accident, being faced with near-death by angry bees, and Lucy losing her friend to a horrible hiking accident and growing up without him only to chase his visage to the garden? I cry thinking about this movie at random times of day.

Reviewers like LS Mark have never seen this copy of the film, only citing the shitty compilation film cobbled together from pre-existing shorts to dunk on Butch. But I know what I saw. I rewatched it well over a dozen times now. The Greatest Thing Ever had surpassed all my expectations in terms of art, story, and the corny shit I expect from Butch Hartman.

I'd love to send him an email about the movie with all my favorite lines, shots, and scenes. Although, I'm afraid he will try to suppress me. I am excited but also scared. I don't even know if he remembers it existed. I'm scared.

>>151165808 (OP)
The Noah's ark cartoon was fun, though it feels like you got limited potential with a show with that premise.

>>151167347
>My question is how does he expect to turn it into a full series?
by making it a sitcom apparently

>>151167614
The female bear looks like a corpse

>>151167089
>(actually a great movie, hot loli, go watch it)

>>151167614
Still feels very limited in terms of scope. That's like if the Simpsons took place entirely in their house. Which, it for the most part did in the Tracy Ulman shorts, but it worked there because of short format

>>151167630
Contrast with the bear in >>151166516, this show's probably being carried by the art director who's aware of Hartman's failings as an artist.

>>151167347
>Noah had them all with the same chick so why do they have such drastically diffrent skin tones?
I think to represent the three races that emerged from them, although they swapped the races around. Shem is the father of Semitic or West Asian races, Japheth for European and Ham for African. They probably changed it since Ham was punished for mocking a drunken naked Noah (wonder if they would include that in the cartoon) and made to be the servant of his brothers which later people used as justification for slavery of Africans.
Accurate version would be white Japheth, tan Shem and black Ham.

>>151167881
I suppose that makes sense.

Why did Butch make her so cute

>>151167089
>calling a real kid a "hot loli"

>>151165934
When did that happen?

>>151165808 (OP)
that's not how I remember Noah's ark, where's the big booty latina lioness? are we sure this new cartoon is biblically accurate?

>>151167781
What? It's great, children's horror movie about grief, don't let it being Angel Studios turn you away
>>151168247
Are you a gay?

>>151168450
ignore my post im retar. Gotta say this pilot is bretti gud

>>151166301
He also scammed $250,000 out of his own fans.

>>151168501
What about Heathcliff back there?

>>151166045
Feels like someone took FOP characters and put them through an AI filter.
>>151166759
This is that mega autist Jeffy spammer guy btw, I’ve seen him say the same shit word for word.

>>151168892
heathcliff it's a prominent biblical figure.

>>151166045
>here’s your season 2 of new fop

>>151166045
Don’t lie please

>>151169051
>through an AI filter.
probably did. butch has been very open about how much he is pro-AI on X.

>151166759
CN and Genndy nutgarglers are so embarrassing these days.
Also I'm pretty sure that 'staging' was a three second visual gag

>>151166045
There's going to be an infinite amount of porn of these four if it actually goes anywhere rather than dying in production. Particularly the green one,

>>151165808 (OP)
The Noah one is actually fairly funny.

>>151166759
Staging?

>>151167614
>A sitcom
Butch… how could you reduce the word of God into something so limited and unfunny? It feels like he’s taking something sacred and copying it with crayons

>>151165808 (OP)
The first few seconds of each are PAIN. I don’t think I want to see any more

>Angel
LOl no.

>>151165808 (OP)
What a fall from grace

>>151171221
Noah's Ark being a children's comedy is pretty traditional. If you ignore the bit about God wiping out all other life on Earth, the idea of a dude, his family, and a bunch of exotic animals all cooped up on a boat is kinda cute and funny. Wouldn't surprise me if the ancient Jews made up goofy Ark stories to amuse their children, too.

>>151165808 (OP)
How shameful it is to me for considering him one of my favorite creators when I was kid.

>>151171590
https://youtu.be/-yYNkJu_y08
I suppose, but there must be more tasteful adaptations out there. I don’t know man, it feels like he’s not taking his faith as seriously as he professes, like it’s all some kind of grift. Maybe I’m preaching to the choir but man is it unpleasant to look at.

Who keeps giving Butch Hartman money to make more trash?

>>151171752
Like listen to this Noah and feel the gravity behind every word in his dialogue. “Cute and funny” shouldn’t be the first things that come to mind when describing gospel. It shouldn’t be that cheap. What is going through Butch’s head, and what on Earth was Oaxis supposed to be besides a scsm?

>>151165808 (OP)
I never liked any of his cartoons, but Kitty Katswell is cute

>>151165808 (OP)
Wow, these are painfully unfunny and boring.

>>151171844
Looking back, I find it disturbing that the first episode of FOP is Timmy realizing how much adulthood sucks. The conclusion shouldn’t have been him bawling his eyes out. If I wrote it, I’d have Timmy accept and deal with adult responsibilities, earn his way back into being a kid, and maybe throw in something cute like helping his parents with taxes or something.

>>151171833
I envy this dialogue writing. How can the English sound so proper and dignified with such simple words?! Is it the way they say them?

>>151171924
*how much adulthood sucks and regressing back into childlike behaviors. That’s such a weird way to start the series when the main theme is supposed to be about growing up. That’s exactly why I hate sitcoms too, they’re actively designed to keep as much the same as possible. And those live-action movies…

>>151171533
I don't think he was ever that good

>>151171924
>>151171937
You used to see it a lot of things. Games, cartoons and comics all tried to sound deep and grand and big. And this was kinds media too. It impressed a sense of scale and wonder. Now it feels like everything has to be downplayed and undermined. You can't care deeply about things, you can't invest. Any emotion and gravitas needs to be come a joke and adults will try to push memes and baby talk. You ever see the Silver Surfer show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcxiS9DHHhE

>>151171997
That was pretty badass. I think media today is trying to sound deep too. The key difference has always been the focus on trying to matter versus the focus on what actually matters. Only those with experience can tell the difference, and even then only those with talent can distinguish it plainly for their chosen audiences.


That was cool with the Silver Surfer thanks for sharing

>>151172090
They try but it feels like they don't understand things on the same level. There's no real insight or humanity. It's said a lot but older creators were people with very different lives, very different worlds. They weren't raised on pop culture and weren't just recycling things.

>That was cool with the Silver Surfer thanks for sharing
The whole show is pretty much like that. Surfer searching the galaxy pontificating on humanity and loneliness in grand cosmic fashion. It's good. Just wait till Thanos shows up. They go full MAD Titan. Also they call her Chaos because you can't death on TV. Very worth watching.

>>151167614
>HOLY SHIP
What's the name of this trope?

>>151171752
The music in that at the beginning and ending is bugging the crap out of me. It sounds like something I've heard somewhere else and I can for the life of me place it.

>>151165808 (OP)
>They're both screen recordings (relatively high quality ones though, I'll give ya that)
Was it not possible for you to directly download the videos themselves on your end? I mean, I'd probably try using the Ctrl+U "View page source" feature on whatever browser ya got

>>151166045
Why doesn't Butch just take his money and retire? Surely this isn't the project he's putting his soul in.

>>151166759
The biggest issue is how bland it looks. Bartman uses simple geometric characters, and the trade off should be that you can do neat stylization or posing with them to make interesting scenes.

There's better examples than my picture, but even in this sketch, there's framing that looks interesting at least. It wouldn't look as good if it just looked like the twitter post you included.

>>151167089
>hot loli
There's people who will argue with me all night about how loli fags aren't pedos, and then here you are just standing there like "I am a pedo".

>>151172275
Adiemus by Karl Jenkins

>>151172360
>Adiemus by Karl Jenkins
There we go. Thanks

>>151172275
The opening at least is an actual song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiemus_(song)

>>151172174
>MAD
? In all seriousness sounds cool.

>>151172390
>What's a good idea for a kid's show?
>How about one where the hero is a guilt consumed galactic pariah after committing countless acts of cosmic genocide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3UVk7OaqI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFOyo_s_cJM

>>151172439
Good lord, how dare Disney reduce Thanos into a retarded environmentalist

>>151172461
for as much as people hyped up IW their version of Thanos was astoundingly dry. Even his cadence was boring. You want a villain with absolute gravitas there you fucking go.

>>151171752
>it feels like he’s not taking his faith as seriously as he professes, like it’s all some kind of grift.
This. Would explain why all his recent projects have been religious in nature even though (as much as Butch wants to say this isn't the case) his cartoons didn't have all that much religion in them before.

>>151172565
It’s disgusting and pretty obvious if you step to take a look at it. https://x.com/R00NIFF/status/1924025770453696764 I hate how he roped Terminalmontage into this bullshit, from what I can see, his faith is genuine

>>151172565
It's kind of a strange balance. I don't think you have to treat your faith with inflexible devotion, having something more lighthearted can serve a good introduction for much younger viewers but at the same time, even if you don't share the faith and view it as mythology most of this deals with a lot of pretty heavy stuff so being really glib about it is just as gauche. How silly can you make a story where the entire population is mercilessly drowned because of their unrepentant hedonism

>>151166759
I'm not sure why internet autists are making a big thing about this particular shot. Is it because the characters are standing in line like a 2d platformer? Pic related is the very next scene lol.

Cartoon critics are just flat out disingenuous these days. Next they will start shitting on smear frames.

>compared to good attempts at replicating it like Dexters Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls
I liked those shows as much as FOP but compare them side by side and you can easily tell the limitations of Cartoon Network Studios. Those shows look like FOP's pilot episode. Also, Butch had a major role in making Dexter's Lab actually good since he came up with the Major Glory segments.

>"generic 2000’s cartoon"
That's the other shows that you listed, which tried to stylistically copy FOP and thematically copy Spongebob, rinse and repeat.

>>151165808 (OP)
IS THAT

>>151172802
>the modern (((Cartoon community))) thinks this is bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2EdJkSMuYA

Now I know why cartoons are dead.

>>151172802
>I'm not sure why internet autists are making a big thing about this particular shot. Is it because the characters are standing in line like a 2d platformer? Pic related is the very next scene lol.

The point was the show looks boring. They just chose that shot to emphasize the point. Even in your picture, they're just standing around. What does the show look like when its trying to be dynamic?

>>151172843
>at least... I got to see.... Princess Bubblegum and Marceline lez out....

>>151172802
Your picture isn't exactly a whole lot better, man. Very static posing. No distinct background. It's boring.

>>151172855
>The point was the show looks boring.
No, the troon in that picture was saying it was flat compared to heckin' wholesome chungus non-problematic creator cartoons like Redditbob or Jewrats.

>>151172906
It is. There is zero depth to any of Butch's work.

Half the things he produces could work if he just ditches the god shit. Not trying to be edgy but you kinda pigeonhold yourself really badly with bible stories and stuff.

>>151172906
This is actually a great picture. we can see the lack of depth in similar shots here. Even in Reddit bob and jew rats, you can see an attempt at depth for visual interest; the characters aren't just standing in a straight line. They all try to pretend they're in a 3D space, but FOP doesn't in this shot, and when it does, it still looks flat.

>>151172958
This is really reaching to say any of those look significantly better than the FOP shot.
Like the Judenrats characters are practically blending into the wall. It's not a good shot.
In the FOP scene they are literally SUPPOSED to be standing in a line. They're being forced to weigh and hand their candy over to Vicky. The shot begins on Vicky, and then zooms out to reveal the rest of the characters. The scene then transits into a song that was very visually fun.

>Hartman Hartman Butch Butch Hartman did this did that
Really don't give a fuck. If this is all this is, people trashing someone's work simply because they don't like the author, then it's lame as fuck.

>>151171767
His royalties from having 4 cartoons on television

>>151172906
I'm so tired of CNfags pretending like EEnE was some groundbreaking masterpiece and not one of the most boring fucking shows on television.

>>151168189
i'm tired of everyone being a pedophile man

>>151173019
>I wanna be different! I wanna be special and have different opinions!
That's all I read when I see contrarian posts like this. "People like it, so I can't like it!". OK bro, cool, you're special.

>>151173034
Yes spot on but you seem to have meant to reply to >>151166759

>>151172906
>>151173019
Funnily enough, I at least remember most of what happened in the FOP halloween episode. I couldn't tell you a single damn thing about the other three. Even Doug's Halloween episode was more memorable than those.

>>151173050
The comment applies to that guy, too. But I think the opinion of "I think the show looks simple/lacks depth artistically" is a better opinion than "People like EEnE? I don't like that. They shouldn't like it or think highly of it because I don't".

>>151167089
>a great movie
>live action "hot loli"
Bro, you better be an actual kid

>>151173065
I don't like EEnE because it's "popular" (it isnt), I hate it because its a SoLslop cartoon with non-stop torture porn and MCs always lose syndrome. Same reason I dislike FOP season 6-10.

>>151172906
my only issue with the fop episode is... WHERE IS TOOTIE? She's Vicky's lil sis
did she just leave her at home and doesn't let her trick or treat? Grim

fop has a big cast but they always seem to misuse or mishmash it

>>151173173
>I hate it because its a SoLslop cartoon with non-stop torture porn and MCs always lose syndrome.
If I knew you were a fucking tv troper, I would have never gotten in a discussion with you.

>>151173222
According to one of the tie-in books, Tootie stays at home. No other real reason given.

>>151167781
>>151168247
>>151172338
>>151173159
You poor innocent anons. For all your sakes, stay out of /tv/.

>>151173264
With the way pedophilia as a concept is handled on this site, I feel like I'm better off just staying off of it entirely. Which is a shame because I have some of my best media related discussions on this site. Seems like fewer and fewer people see media as "art first, morals second" in the world, but this website is full of them.

In any respectable website, pedophiles would be deathly afraid to reveal themselves, but due to the anonymous nature of this site, they feel emboldened. A pity, but at least I know people can still be arrested for illegal materials posted on 4chan. Like that one loser who thought typing "in minecraft" was a shield from legal action.

>>151173348
>any respectable website
kek.

>>151173348
>fewer and fewer people see media as "art first, morals second" in the world, but this website is full of them
>morals second
Yeah, you have (perhaps unintentionally) identified your trade-off, anon. You can learn to cope with seeing things you find morally reprehensible or you can go somewhere moralfags rule with an iron fist and the discussion is shit. That has always been the deal here.

>>151165808 (OP)
>There are a number of leaks on the Ark
How meta.

>>151167614
Actually they were on the ark for over a year, the 40 days and 40 nights was how long it rained

>>151173348
go eat a dick

>>151165808 (OP)
Who fucking care about this ugly fucker and his shit?

>>151167089
>(actually a great movie, hot loli, go watch it)
lolifaggots lose their shit when normal people call you faggots pedophiles, yet this is how you refer to actual real life children
15 years of you faggots crying "BUH BUH BUH FICTION NOT REAL ME NOT PEDOFILIO" only to let the mask slip
kill yourself

>>151169874
>butch has been very open about how much he is pro-AI on X
Well that sucks. You'd think he'd be against it since it can create blasphemous images.

>>151172906
The only issue I have is that Timmy and Co's costumes look low effort, even though I know thatsthejoke.jpeg, and Vicky doesn't get one at all, although it does set up the joke "she's scary enough in person". Trixie and her friends all wear identical costumes (and for some reason shes evil now), and Tootie no shows, not sure if Francis or Sanjay were there either. So yeah FOP's does emminate some laziness. This episode was made by John Fountain, who as we know is actually responsible for the entire show, he even really voiced all the characters. Strange such a legend would drop the ball here.

>>151165808 (OP)
Man, this is a really good showcase of how BH's style is highly limited to traditonal animation. Puppet rigs and CGI does not do it justice in the slightest, it falls apart immediately.

That being said, the Noah's Ark one is just okay. I can't see how they'd stretch such a concept into an entire show. It feels so small in scope compared to stuff like Fairly Oddparents or Danny Phantom, where literally anything was on the table.

Little Harps on the other hand was was just insufferable. It's all the worst elements of modern preschool shows mixed in with the worst elements of religious media, congealing into a hyper saccharine mess that makes Care Bears look like Berserk. That being said, I 100 percent would Miss Glory.

Overall though, a meh/10. Both of these shows seem like something meant to be consumed and them immediately forgotten, which is nothing short of tragic when Butch helmed some of the most iconic Nick shows out there. Like come on man, you're not confined to corporate whims anymore, be a LITTLE ambitious here.

>>151172843
Ok that chorus at 1:30 mark was kino
FoP did have some good songs. It seems episodes like this or the Valentine's day are built more around these musical moments and the rest is just afterthought

>>151166006
Hell, Cosmo and Wanda even make a cameo appearance.

>>151172242
Euphemism.

>>151173682
someone make jesus fucking timmy turner in the hole with grok and send it to him

>>151173850
Imagine the angel-on-fairy racism

>>151171924
>If I wrote it, I’d have Timmy accept and deal with adult responsibilities, earn his way back into being a kid, and maybe throw in something cute like helping his parents with taxes or something.
But then it'd be no different from the preachy 80s shows that constantly tried to teach you a lesson, which was precisely what 90s/Early 2000s shows tried to move AWAY from. Like congrats, you made something saccharine instead of something entertaining.

>>151172802
>Next they will start shitting on smear frames.
That's like the first thing they harped on, if anything that's old hat.

>>151172802
Lined up like a mid 90s JRPG party.

>>151169874
His angel characters lack the chaotic energy that even 3D Cosmo and Wanda have.

>>151173019
>CNfags

Console warriors deserve their self-inflicted loneliness.

>>151173348
>In any respectable website, pedophiles would be deathly afraid to reveal themselves, but due to the anonymous nature of this site, they feel emboldened

Bro, Kick and Rumble have notorious far right-wing influencers talking about their pedophilic urges and desires all on a livestream.

>In any respectable website

Oooho, that's right, you said this.

>>151173747
>Like come on man, you're not confined to corporate whims anymore, be a LITTLE ambitious here.

Evangelical Christianity® is one gigantic LLC scam operating with tax exemption status.

>notorious far right-wing influencers talking about their pedophilic urges

Why even try steering the thread in this direction? This isn't your lefty/pol/ fanfiction dumping ground.

>>151173905
Really? Shit, how would you do it?

>>151169051
I know I'm going to sound like him and maybe I should know better than rimming a tripfag-lite, but Jeffyfag does not come across like a spammer or schizo or crazy autist to me. He just seems like a normal coherent 4chan poster who sometimes avatarfags, which is retarded and attention whoreish but not inherently schizo given his posts (psyanon also avatarfags and edits over existing screenshots with his radio avatar and nobody considers him a mega autist). I even agree with most of his opinions, which is more than I could ever say for the likes of Boco or Sharktalefag.

>>151167089
This one is weird, it flipflopped between being a horror movie, a kids movie and a comedy movie, it was extremely jarring.

>>151168189
because he has taste

>>151174503
>please care about my deranged man-child perspective on people
>i don't want to leave the middle school playground!!
Glad to know Butch’s haters are this caliber of person.
>>151173682
Human hands can also… make blasphemous images. Learn some philosophy to think better

>>151172897
>MUH BACKGROUNDS

Why do modern cartoonfags put so much emphasis in meaningless crap like this? Recent cartoons (Steven Universe, Amphibia come to mind) where they have beautiful and elegantly painted backgrounds with the most hideously generic CalArts blobs waddling across them. Or this whole spiel about how these blobs are standing next to each other or even unique camera angles of these androgynous blobs. Who gives a shit if it all looks so disjointed?

Look at Autismbob here >>151172906
He is staged heckin' deptherino'd science to be standing in the doorway, but the top-left corner of his generic "shitty white sheet as a costume joke" (done to death long before this episode premiered) is overlapping the door frame. Oops! Can point that out to a non-Christian cartoonist like Hillenburg.

Mainly because he's fucking dead.

>>151171833
>DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY

>>151171833
I watched that video twice in a row, damn what a voice actor.

>>151171833
Look man, it being a Butch project be thankful he didn't go full furry with it like that argentinian movie did.

>>151166759
>>151172906
>flat characters, low quality backgrounds, weird fucked up staging and depth, and downright poor animation is okay when Genndy or some other 90s sacred cow does it

>>151175567
It’s a little fucked, but I’m actually disappointed that he didn’t. Seemed like a slam dunk with TUFF puppy and all that. Like as if it was a perfect recipe for disaster