Thread 76494097

How big can you realistically get without steroids?

>>76494097 (OP)
I genuinely prefer the roided-out look on the right, despite the negative health effects. Am I the problem?

>>76494097 (OP)
gyno

>>76494119
>Am I the problem
No, humanity is.

>>76494119
Yes

>>76494097 (OP)
Around 24-25 ffmi, maybe 26-27 with elite genetics.

How long do you think it took to get to the right image from untrained on the left?

Look at natural bodybuilders or bodybuilders before steroids became common

>>76494097 (OP)
>How big can you realistically get without steroids?
Steroids ability to destroy your face is really underrated.

Good thing it's muscle >>> face > height. Even if he's 5'7", this dude can walk into a club full of 6'5" lanklets or a Fortune 500 boardroom wearing a tight t-shirt and just dominate.

>>76494097 (OP)
Realistically?

Shit genetics and you train like garbage, you will look natty achievable like Jason Blaha or some Indian bodybuilders.

Most people can get to Simeon Panda level.
Good genetics, you get to Larry Wheels/Julian Fitzgerald size.

Great genetics, Chris Bumstead.

You need peak genetics to be like Nasser El-Sonbaty or Nick Walker.

>>76494398
Even with good training and good genetics you cannot get yourself cannot get to Simeon Pandas level. Hell even on steroids you cannot get to Simeon Pandas level. Most people on steroids don't look like they're on gear cause they take it as a shortcut to get fast results.

People like Omar Isuf or Will Tennyson are more realistic. And that is if you train good have and have a good diet

>>76494119
If you're addicted to making your dick bigger with steroids maybe hit the gym all the time

>>76494097 (OP)
Depending on how thick your wrists are your arms can get anywhere from 16” to 18.5” circumference. You could get a somewhat big chest that enables you to bench press something between 255 and 315 lbs. Your neck and calves can get about the same circumference as your upper arms. It depends on your genetics and frame size. I’m not talking about outliers here- yes there are some big boys who can naturally get 19” arms and bench 400 but those guys aren’t average.

>>76494097 (OP)
did he get jaw surgery?

>>76494389
wrong it's
face > height >>> muscles
I'm tall but I had a really ugly face up until my late 20s
women were disgusted by my face

>>76494097 (OP)
how many years difference between pics? cause he looks at least 10-15 years older

>>76494566
>315 bench is the natty limit
When did /fit/ get so weak?

>>76495985
I'm talking about 20 reps.

>>76494389
Cope. Muscle will always be dead last. My girlfriend prefers me chubby and was so excited when I told her I'd be bulking again

>>76494315

A significant portion of natural bodybuilders secretly roid. Most "natural" competitions have little to no testing.

>>76494540
>making your dick bigger with steroids

so far im up to 216 with abs and around 13% bf natural

im 6'1 and been lifting for 4 years, i also have really good genetics

>>76494097 (OP)
Nobody can give you a real answer because nobody has comprehensively inventoried all the non-androgenic anabolic pathways. This board has only recently been introduced to stuff like USP19 and myogenic regulatory factors, which only scratch the surface and are not known by influencers or roid dealers/UGLs.

>>76498165
>lesbian man

>>76498224
u forgot
>our foul year of the lord 2025 and 25 minus 25

>>76494097 (OP)
not enough

>>76494097 (OP)
This shit makes your skin so fucked up.

>>76494097 (OP)
You plateau on steroids

What's up with the roids making them look much older? I'm not aware of this being a curse suffered by 80's roiders. Like I was surprised as fuck to find out Arnold was 40 something when he debuted in some of his early iconic roles like Terminator. Mentzer was also handsome

>>76494097 (OP)
this is more or less the peak (retards will say he roids because they don't understand what natty limit is)

>>76494097 (OP)
>Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar

>>76502732
probably hgh also why is face looks wider

>>76502742
Peak for the genetically gifted would be more accurate. Godly proportions and insertions. If he was roiding he'd probably would've been a top placing competitor in the IFBB

>>76494398
Are u actually retarded. Simeon Panda is huge and juicing hard. Even implying the average dude who blasts looks as good as he does is delusional, but are you unironically implying anyone gets to his size natty? Are u fucking retarded?
Also love how your implying larry wheels has "good genetics" but cbum has "great genetics" when one is a bodybuilder and the other is a powerlifter who did some amateur bodybuilding. That has nothing to do with genetics and simply to do with how long they've been training for their specific goals.

>>76502732
The steroid they used during the 80s was a different substance which retained water, where tren saps your skin. That's why the 80s builders looked so juicy compared to the raisins today. This shit makes you age insanely fast

>>76502742
Thats ABSOLUTELY roids you brain dead retard.

>>76502787
>veins everywhere while retaining size
About as natty as frog in chernobyl

>>76503407
vascularity isn't actually that big of an indicator of steroid use

his delts and traps, while big, aren't insane as those as usually very easy giveaways as to who roids or not, in addition to skin color because roids many a time makes you look red-ish and inflamed

his muscles are very well proportions
he just has elite genetics and has insane training methodology and effort level, and has been training for a very long time