Thread 76540975

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Tren has given me mystery gyno and I have no ai. I've added 200 eq

>>76540998
You need caber it’s prolactin induced gyno, ai, nolva and ralox won’t do shit, best hurry or you’ll get milky man udders

>>76540998
Prolactin increases in the presence of elevated e2 with 19 nors. Which you're gonna have even on a 200-250 test dose.

Why are you faggots so opposed to using AI? I blast tren non stop and never use caber or prami because I keep my e2 in line.

>>76541054
AI is bad for you, anon
We only use healthful sterons here

When switching sources, how long until the bloodwork stabilizes?

I'm currently on 200mg test and 150mg primo, I had to switch brands and source. Also swapping out primo for masteron because I couldnt find any primo.
I want to blast soon but first I should switch to the new products while keeping the same dosage and then do some bloodwork to make sure they're not bunk.

So my question is once I switch to the new products, how long until I can get my bloodwork done and then start my blast? 3-4 weeks enough?

What is the dumbest cycle you have ever done? Mine was 500mg test a week and 20mg a day for about a year.

>>76541200
im on 100mg a week trt an still need Ai every 2 days because i aromatize like a bitch

>>76541211
Tren-Ment-Anadrol and snorting crushed anavar

I tried a thigh injection for the first time and I am INTENSE pain. 250 mg. No swelling. I made sure no blood. But my muscle is killing me.

2 days now.
No fever
Ibuprofin helps.

Anything I can do?

>>76541584
Heat pad/ warm compress- it will get better as you continue to pin.
You have virgin muscles

>>76541636
why doesnt this happen with delts though
never had intense pain there
seems like you shouldnt inject in your thigh to me...

>>76541691
It's different for everyone I suppose, I personally can't inject in my delts without severe PIP/ bleeding.
I have to do glutes/ thighs

>>76541204
ffs why do you people overthink everything. If you have to get blood tests to make sure your gear isnt "bunk" find a better source.
When you run out of primo just pin the fucking masteron and go on with life.
You're taking bitch doses that dont even do anything so what are you even worrying about?

>>76541731
>>76541204
Have to agree with this anon, you are way over thinking this whole thing.
It's literally so easy to get a good verified source.
Just look up user reviews from vendors on steroid source talk.
Most of these companies have legit COA's now.

>>76541731
I'm currently taking half of a cruise dose of test and 5mg var and some sarms
Do you think about squat plug will throw off my e2 enough that I need to up my AI dose?
Also what's the best dose for the dick enlargement peptide that makes all your joints so loose and weird you shouldn't lift

First week of mast prop ED so far really liking it, with var and cialis pumps are nuts, vascular as fuck

>>76541228
You should stop roiding

Bros this morning I took a 10mg cialis, 20mg anavar, and 50mg anadrol PWO.

Absolutely insane pump, feeling huge, but also a slight headache in the back of my head. Am I gonna die?

>>76541957
Test mast tren var, match made in heaven.
>>76543963
Thats the anadrol. Shitastic compound, somehow even more watery than dbol

Welp seems like its time to killmyself. I just did the whole onboarding process to TRT nation and I just realized that I submitted a password protected PDF for my bloodwork so they cant see it. There is no way to go back and change. I have already paid them like 300 dollars too. Its so fucking over.

>>76541584
when I first injected I my quad, I was injecting too low and it would lead to pain for days. You need to inject high, basically inline with your hip

>>76544064
Will you stream the killage of yourself?

>>76544176
no if I tried im sure I would fuck that up too. there would be no audio or some other formatting issue because everything I touch is fucked up and retarded

>>76543963
Makes sense, I have taken var and cialis for a long time without this. Hopefully I don't piss away all the gains when I come off the anadrol, especially because I will probably only run it for a few weeks to kickstart my cycle.

Best site for UK bloodwork?

>>76544122
Bullshit advice
It will hurt anyway if it's a virgin muscle
Plus the carrier oil matters too

>>76544192
Try anyway
300 bucks is a serious issue, worth killing yourself over

>>76541691
Can you explain? Same vial, no pain in delts or glutes

>>76544122
What kind of pain

>>76544587
In the anus

wtf happened to this board lol

>>76541731
>>76541809
Its just for my peace of mind and since I'm doing a blast it is good to do bloodwork anyway prior to a blast no?
It is a popular UGL brand but the janoshik tests are always months old in UGLs.

>>76544767
Of course do routine bloodwork before and after blasts but I wouldn't have it orbit my blood tests around trying new sources.
The high end UGL sources for the most part are all the same in terms of purity / standards. Always do plenty of research on a vendor before purchasing from them.

>>76544767
you can always order the lab analysis yourself lol, which would be smarter than pinning some mystery or canola oil for weeks and getting bloodwork to see if its real

>>76544355
>bullshit advice
what? I continued to pin that way for a couple of months and continued to have significant pain until I started pinning higher in my quad. on what basis can you possibly say it's bullshit?

>>76544587
significant PIP that became much worse with knee flexion. as referenced above, the issue resolved when I started pinning high in my quad, close to the hip joint

What do you think
Is a 10wk cycle the same as, say, 20wk cycle if there will be a pct afterwards in a sense that you have to jumpstart your hpga and you're shut down all the same?
I'm just pondering the idea of making my next cycle a long one
Yes, I will pct
No, I don't want to bnc, I want to do a cycle a year and stop after a couple more cycles (yes I will stop)

>>76544955
>I continued to pin that way for a couple of months and continued to have significant pain
Are you retarded? Why didn't you do anything about it for months?
>until I started pinning higher in my quad
Did you maybe forget to mention that you started injectind a different compound or a different oil? I just can't believe you were injecting in a tendon or something, that whould be braindeadly retarded
>on what basis
Basis 1: your mother said I'm a good fuck
Basis 2: quads are big ass muscles, 2nd biggest in your body, several inches in both directions don't mean shit

Maybe you weren't injecting in the quad at all, who knows

>>76544978
This was immediately after I started pinning and wasn't sure if the pain was normal. I've been using the same supplier for years with the same oil. I was definitely pinning in my quad.

Have you considered that you don't know everything and don't need to contradict someone when you don't have direct experience? try pinning a mL midway down your quad and see if you have more significant PIP.

>>76544064
So do you try talking to the customer service pajeets or wait for someone to email you? Hard to say, hard to say

>>76544955
That is my pain. Makes it impossible to sleep. Any recovery tactics?

>>76545086
not really. ibuprofen helped me a bit. just pin elsewhere or, like I said, higher in the quad. It should go away in 10-14 days

>>76544259
oops meant for >>76544016

>>76545086
Painkillers, a heating pad, light massage of the area, rotate to other sites temporarily, stop pinning quads completely(VG masterrace), split dose across different days, change to a less viscous carrier oil
Chatgpt is unironically decent for this type of newbie shit
Never ask it to manage your e2 though, or dose gear that act as AI, it will have you crashed or growing tits
Or you know, a regular search engine

>>76545000
>when you don't have direct experience
I do
>try pinning a mL midway down your quad
I pinned 2ml to my quads for several months
>and see if you have more significant PIP
Only when I started. And it was mild

Compound (and its concentration) + oil is what matters the most
It was peach oil + EQ for me

Bros I'm 30 and made out with a 21 year old last night. She loved my muscles.

serious question
can i kill myself by injecting 3 vial at once?
like is 100% chance?

>>76547621
It would be very painful

>>76541691
Did you use a different needle for delt vs quad? For whatever reason the slightly larger needles give me terrible pip in my quads but never feel it in my delts.

>>76544967
pct is meant to get you back towards natty levels. 20 week blast keeps you higher than you ciuld ever hope to get natty. not the same thing. do 20-24 weeks

>>76547621
three vials of what, what quantity, and what volume? you do realize some people are blasting grams of gear a week, right? if it's 250mg/ml test, then some people might be using bottles of that a week. one dude has a video out of trying to get 10 or 20k ng/dl test, and i think he pinning even more bottles than that

>>76548572
For you.

>>76540975 (OP)
Ok, I theoretically could qualify for TRT, but I don't want to lose fertility, like what the fuck do you guys do to save your swimmers?
LH and FSH gets fucked doesn't it? Freezing cum is the only way? Kinda embarrassing if you find a woman and want to have children and have to explain to her that you medically castrated yourself.

>>76548702
3 vial of test-e 500mg/ml (10ml)
would it give me a heart attack ? if no, should i add my masteron/eq ?
like seriously, wouldnt it cause an overdose?

>>76548572
its okay if i get to die shortly after, but i dont want be to left in a vegetable status. also guns arent legal in my country, and im too scared the rope will break leaving me with brain damage (being unable to do a 2nd attempt)

>>76548788
300iu hcg twice a week is plenty to keep them going

>>76548864
if you're trying to kill yourself, why not use something to displace oxygen? buy a cheap breathing mask and hose on amazon, pick up a tank of helium at a party store, and throw yourself a going away party. as for aas specific, i don't think i've ever read anything about an acute overdose from exogeous testosterone. if you want a chemical, buy a 50g bag of caffeine powder on amazon for $13, and swallow the whole thing. 5g is enough to get you that heart attack you're after

>>76548871
Not guaranteed, you could end up having a stroke or heart attack or simply give yourself an infection, necrosis etc and cause where ever you inject to slowly rot away and kill you over the span of several pain fulled months or even years
go find someone to talk to about your problems is probably the path of least resistance
Or if actual advice isn't what you want then go on the blast of all blasts and get huge
all my life problems seem to be solved by getting my bench up

What is a good t3:t4 to keep long-term?
I'm hypothyroid so I need to take it to keep TSH normal range but I don't want any muscle loss from the thyroid meds.
Is 25mcg t3 and 100mcg t4 too high long term?

>>76549678
I thought t3 helped build muscle

I noticed pretty huge pumps since I started taking it like a week ago

I know it's used for cutting, and I'm doing that, but I was under the impression it also helped muscle building as well

>PF-00446687
What's the downside?

>>76544307
pls help lads tryna start on gear but this is already a blocker

>blast and cruise

No thanks, I'll take my
>peak muscle mass maintenance with no diminishing returns
>lowered risk of cardiac hypertrophy
>hundreds of dollars saved that I can put to pursuing other hobbies like a normal, well-rounded human being
>being able to travel to different countries whenever I want
>not being dependent on regularly injected drugs

If you find yourself shilling blast and cruise, take a long hard look at your life. If you're not a professional athlete or bodybuilder that is being financially renumerated for shortening your lifespan then you might just be a loser that is papering over the abject emptiness of their lives

>>76540998
you faggots really believe the stupid shit you post huh how do you have no ai you should always always always keep a normal ai, letro, and raloxifene ready to go at all times

>order 4x 5000 IU HCG
>get 2x 10000 IU instead
>order 150mg/ml npp
>get 75 npp 75 test prop blend

fucking hell whats wrong with these ugls

>>76551673
you missed the boat op

>>76548680
>pct is meant to get you back towards natty levels
Who would've thought
You missed the point of my question
I'm just wondering if a 10wk cycle will shut you down the same as a 20wk cycle
And if so that just means the pct will be the same for both (and that in turn means there's literally no point in doing short cycles)
I've read plenty of stories of trt fags who come off after years of being on T and still getting back to somewhat normal levels

>>76551418
Based

>>76551961
It'll shut you down for less time but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll bounce back quicker or anything
Just do proper PCT with hCG and clomid

>>76548871
Are you retarded? Are trains illegal in your country too? Head on the track = 100% dead
Are high buildings illegal too?
Jumping down from one = 99% dead
>>76548864
You won't fucking kill yourself with gear

>>76551418
>No thanks, I'll look like a dyel instead
Yyyyyyeah, fine
No one cares though

>>76540975 (OP)
more like checking the male you gross drug addicted FAGGOT lmao

>>76552009
>It'll shut you down for less time
Does time even matter in this case? This is what I'm wondering
>that doesn't necessarily mean you'll bounce back quicker
Exactly

>>76552025
>checking the male

>anavar fucks up your kidneys

Is this true or is it just that people get high blood pressure on roids and the high blood pressure fucks with the kidneys

>>76552069
Var specifically is partially metabolized by the kidneys, it's less harmful to the liver than other orals because of this
Fucks my lipids up hardcore but that's another issue

>>76552069
>>76552202
Actually nm that's bullshit
Kidneys excrete the metabolites which increases workload, blood pressure is harmful too though as you mentioned

Beligas any good?

>>76540975 (OP)
>coming off a cut cycle of 160 tren 350 test / wk

and wondering what compound to start on a bulk. I haven't pushed PEDs hard at all so I think assuming I utilized a different growth pathway to tren and slowly tapered up I could be very conservative. I want real dense tissue gains over a long slow period of like 6+ months. Given the extended time frame a cheaper compound would be bonus points since I will be buying probably 5+ vials

>>76552355
i wonder if there is any truth to the idea of growth compound vs cutting compound. Like the idea that roids that cause water retention are for growth and the ones that dry you out more are for cutting seems pretty retarded. Growth of lean body mass doesn't necessarily have anything to do with bloat.

Personally I like high test plus masteron and you can cut or bulk or do anything with that. Dial in the dose and you could also just cruise on it long term. Im retarded though so get a second opinion

>>76552355
Also side bar, I'm really scared of losing the mental edge and other effects from tren too. I become such a confident, high libido high drive dominant and positive person on even really small doses of tren. I'm scared that even switching to a more anabolic dose of something that losing those effects will make me feel like I've crashed.

>>76552406
I was more just referring to compounds that utilize different growth mechanisms / androgenic pathways to tren since I've been on it, granted at a very low dose, for like, shit, probably 20+ wks. I think if I took a weaker 19-nor it wouldn't even work at all. But on a bro science level I totally believe that tren is for cutting. I haven't tried many compounds but I cant imagine anything making you more dry, hard, vascular and grainy as this shit does.

have any of you used HCG to restore fertility while on test? does it actually work, and if so will it make my kid retarded due to poor sperm quality?

i googled around some and i see some people saying they were able to have kids on trt without needing to stop

Thoughts on my research into safe deca use so far?

"To convert a rat dose (mg/kg) to a human equivalent dose (mg/kg), you would divide the rat dose by 7.4."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0024320518304181
20mg/kg/wk divided by 7.4 = 2.7mg/kg/wk My dose - ~81kg x 2.7 = 218.7

"Cardiac collagen deposition was increased in the NDL group, with this effect being attenuated by enalapril (ACE inhibitor) in NDL-E animals"

Amla acts as a non-drug ACE inhibitor

Deca is shown to increase oxidative stress

I plan to use:
- Low inflammation diet
- High dose Circumin to (hopefully) blunt the increase in TNF-α expression not affected by Enalapril in the study
- Poly-antioxidant use to (hopefully) nullify Nandrolone's effects on the endothelial lining (Astaxanthin/GlyNac/Vitamin C)
- Starting with 1/4 of the (human equivalent) dose employed in the study

At my size, 1/4 of the study's dose is 55mg of Nandrolone per week which I'll round down to 50mg - enough to reap considerable benefit in terms of lean mass retention, joint cushioning, and the mental effects that have made this compound worth all the work of research and supplementation for me.

>>76553363
...in non nerdy terms?

>>76553363
Its interesting but I really don't have anything to contribute. I always thought a beta blocker was the gold standard of heart protection on gear but idk. Certainly seems unlikely to me that you will remodel your heart on only 50mg a week.

I have some raloxifene and anastrozole. If I start to get itchy nipples which should I take?

Aren't steroids illegal?

>>76545155
I hope, I have a marked improvement. No more fevers and some loss of swelling, I can walk reasonably now, but I really want to be able to get in and out of my car

>>76545329
Hey, I wanted to say thanks dude. My pain has gone from 10 to 5. No more fevers. I think I am through the hump. I pinned my upper quad. I am still not sure if it was that or muscle strain.

My pops (sports medicine) suggested that I had been working hard doing only strength training but when I was done ran 14 miles and walked 8 fir 2 days before this started. He states that my shoes or gate mah have been bad and that muscle worked to make up for it and then, I damaged it. Just a thought.

>>76553634
>seems unlikely to me that you will remodel your heart on only 50mg a week

Yes, that's the point - being able to use it indefinitely without causing problems.

>>76553663
Only selling them not buying them

>>76552406
good luck bulking on tren

>>76553363
nandrolone only? Derek already tried it
https://moreplatesmoredates.com/deca-only-for-hrt/

>>76554406
No, of course it would be in addition to TRT.

>>76541584
This is why people who have done quad injections dont do them anymore. Glutes for me. Every time.

You guys feel like anadrol is like dbol where you will ultimately feel like you just piss away your gains when dropping it from your stack?

I am running 300mg test and 200mg primo so no I am not an oral-only fag and am decently experienced. Used lots of var, but never anadrol.

>>76554490
No doubt. Should I consder going to a doc? Or is this just lessoned learned and move on

>>76555223
This post
>>76545329
Is the general advice on pip

>>76554396
>good luck growing on the most powerful anabolic steroid kiddo

If you can’t grow on tren you have shit tier genetics or don’t know how to lift/eat

>>76554293
Depends on the country

Pinned test e for the first time today hi guys I belong here now

>>76557066
You will die of sepsis from your massive abscess in a week

>>76557066
That's awesome. How much?

I'm planning on doing a 22 week cycle of 600mg/week Test E. My bench is 155lb and I'm trying to increase it as much as possible. Do you think I could potentially put 100lb on it, if I work out real hard?

>>76557066
Use a 27G 1/2" and pin VGs twice a week or EOD and thank me later. Makes pinning painless.

>>76557927
Thats pretty much exactly what I did except into my delt

>>76557892
Im doing 350mg/wk to start with for my first cycle will do 500 next year

>>76553663
Yeah but it’s pretty low on the priority list for law enforcement to investigate, especially considering a lot of them use steroids themselves. They don’t want to bust their own sources and their coworkers.

Why can't I simply pin in the middle of the ass?
This hard zone that people recommed feels like I'm going to touch bone with the needle

>>76555668
>he's never pinned tren in his life

>>76558156
Thats true I havent. And If I did pin tren I would bulk into a monster

>>76557974
Based

anybody just pin Test C every day subQ with an insulin needle? I really don't understand why this isn't the standard procedure. Takes like 30 seconds and painless

So primo is sold out everywhere and it looks like masteron is going to be next. Is this a normal cyclical thing in the market with shortages coming and going? Or are steroids fucked

>>76558368
I read the gear producers in china got shut down. So yeah the market is fucked until they set up shop somewhere else. Hope you like tren

>>76555419
4 days in and it is local to the pip with a lump and very painful, should I drain it myself for relief?

>>76557908
Yes but only if you train properly. I'd do conjugate if I were you.

>>76541204
masteron is superior to primo in every way. fuck primo.

>>76558266
because they pin larger than pussy bitch TRT doses

>>76558368
EQ is objectively superior

>>76558804
>just take this blood thickener bro

Not touching that shit. I would rather do tren

>>76558804
Agreed. Here’s my ranking for secondary anabolic with test/gh in place.

1. Masteron (neutral anabolic load, can be burdensome on lipids for some, the white rice of anabolics)
2. DHB (Very anabolic, safer in low doses less than 30mg per day, can be liver toxic if dose is too high, monitor GGT)
3. EQ (Strong AI, RBC increase, appetite increase in some, watch kidneys - monitor cystatin-c)
4. Primo (Mild AI, not very anabolic, might as well run DHB or mast for less $$$).
5. Deca (ok for offseason, not tolerated well by everyone).

Everything else (tren, ment, orals, etc.) are tools for specific cases but by and large inferior for prolonged exposure. EQ and Primo are really only applicable for e2 management to control abuse of testosterone.

>>76558903
>DHB
never tried it, heard it hurts like hell to pin

>>76558913
PIP is much less than primo. I think it got that reputation a few years ago when higher concentrations were circulating. A 100mg/ml concentration does not produce much PIP. Inject delts IM with a 31gauge insulin syringe for EZ mode.

>>76558885
EQ is one of the safest compounds

>>76558054
I was taught it fell out of favor in the field due to increased risk of hitting/irritating the sciatic nerve.

How to get to 250 pounds fast!

>>76559836
Eat nigga

i hate my life so much bros
i just want to pin and be happy again

>>76559836
>250 pounds
Of what?
Of fat? Just drink sugary drinks a lot, eat sweets and junk food. You'll be there eventually, but it will still take months if not even years
Of muscle?
Lol. You will spend your whole life trying. Even with gear. I mean you can permablast and die at the age of 45, but I'm not sure it's even possible, 250 is a lot even if you're a 7 foot tall space marine

>>76560088
How is your terminal acne?

>>76559668
blood thickening is a no go for me. I would deal pretty much any other roids side effect profile over thickened blood which is going to damage virtually every organ in your body.

>>76560319
How did you know it was me? Im rly starting to think that i Shouldnt care about it anymore because i already have it

>>76560319
Still as bad, it’s actually stars so they will never heal.life is so unfair

>>76560480
I have a lot of scars from my teenage years I just got torso tattoos to cover them up women like them a lot

>>76560435
but you gonna die, terminal acne is no joke, maybe you should leave /fit/ and go somewhere else? have you tried /kys/ or at least go cry in the cbt channel like all the fake roiders

>>76560480
>it’s actually stars
STAAAARS
[spoiler]SAAAAARS[/spoiler]
Is "terminal acne" some sub-squad name in STARS?

>>76560603
I honestly thought about it, but i was brainwashed by /pol/ to view tatoos as degenerated.. also i dont think any tattoo artist would want to ink me because my scars are too ugly

>>76560603
thank you for giving me hope
so if i get tattoos and i can start blasting again.

>300mg test every 5 days
>better lifts, good visual results
>absolute shit energy
>almost no libido
uh

>>76560832
isn't it always estrogen. That or sleep apnea

>>76558903
masteron is the only one that sounds good and I am pretty close to just panic buying because I fear it will disappear forever.

>>76560866
While I ranked mast first, my coach has me running DHB right now and I’m loving it. I’ll probably add in mast as well at some point but I don’t want to skew my HDL and APO-B too early in the cycle. Mast is super clean though overall and if you live the lifestyle and have good lipid management, cardio, eat clean etc, it is the safest compound to run at scale.

how da fuck do you explain something like that? is that terminal acne? i refuse to believe its steroid only. viral infection? how do you prevent that

>>76560832
Your e2 is 1000% off and it's likely high. I get both those sides with high E2.

>>76551961
ah yup, i did miss the point. my bad. after beginning pinning exogenous test, you got a few weeks to a few months before your body shuts down natural test production. varies by the person

>>76552644
you can have kids on trt. hcg tells your balls to make sperm, making it easier via higher sperm count. hcg alone doesnt work for everyone, and some need hmg as well. not hgh, hmg.

>>76557066
welcome, xister! pls 500mg/week, then 750 next year

>>76558368
tranny has primo

>>76560832
you need to stabilize your test levels by pinning more frequently. e.g. 100mg three times a week

>>76561497
I actually added Anavar to my stack today since I had some on hand

But anyways my reasoning for being at 350 is I get badddd body acne natty as is so I want to see if that worsens - if it does I'll have to do accutane again (which I've done once in my teens)

I have a lot of scars as is from my teens so really trying not to get more. I'm bald already though so not worried about that

>>76558903
So mast (a dht derivative that does not aromatize)has no AI effect and Eq (which aromitzes albeit way less than test itself) does? First im hearing of this it just don’t make no sense boss

>>76552069
take it sublingual and keep the doses low and also the cycle small to avoid risks if you want to be conservative. i run 4 weeks at 20mg and last week 30mg daily.

>>76561163
That's turbulent acne (next stage of terminal velocity acne)

Just got a call from my doctor with bad news bros. It turns out my acne has mestasticized. He told me to get my affairs in order. Stage 2 terminal systemic…. The gains weren’t worth it

>>76561923
Should've injected T instead of T-virus, retard

>>76561619
ah smart move then. fingers crossed for you!

>>76561923
Sounds terrific. Last year after a low dose T cycle my doctor diagnosed me with ligma :(

>>76561923
i am a certified dermatologist, i can give you a free second opinion. please share picture.

>>76562315
You're indian though

>>76552355
>>76552433
after conversing with coach ChatGPT Im gonna go with test + DHB

Why are roiders such gatekeepers?

>>76563469
Shit gets old and is answered elsewhere
Nobody wants to read or research and retards want everything spoon fed to them
At a certain point you stop bothering with such time wasting questions and just meme about how primo is for fags

>>76563469
Permanent terminal stage 4 cystic acne on the gentials

>>76563469
they cant deal with competition, thats why the cheat and go on stage and pretend to be natty =3

>>76540998
The progestinic acitivity and prolactin of Tren can cause one to be sensitive to estrogens. Get a vlood test, or if your aerious about the gyno, I say this as most guys placebo themselves into thinking they have gyno and then crash their estrogen, take a small dose of an AI (like 6-12mg of asin) and asses from there.


>>76540975 (OP)
Running Test Tren Eq, total like 1.1g/wk (combined) one shot a week, long esters and bro from China are a godsend. M1t or superdrol and cardarine for when I know van workout for 90+ minutes.
Doing a Lil sum sum

>>76564065
Why are people using AIs when raloxifene exists specifically to block gyno without crashing estrogen levels.

not trying to be snarky or whatever I just find it really strange. Is this just the same reason why roiders are still using fucking CLENBUTEROL when GLPs exist? Roider wisdom is stuck in 2005? Or is there an actual good reason?

>>76564069
Ah the snarky midwit retard post, yeah just eat SERMs as your estrogenic and progestenic acitivty explodes from your unmanaged Test and 19nor.

Not to mention youre a retard who thinks AIs are inherently bad. Retards confuse the effects of crashes estrogen, which are what most studies on AIs have, as its principle subjects are menopausal women with close to 0 estrogen production taking AIs to combat breast cancer.

Any true anti-gyno protocol combines SERMs and AI's anyways. This forum embarrasses me.

>>76564089
I specifically said I was not trying to be snarky. You are a piece of shit faggot

>>76564089
>Starting raloxifene (typically 60 mg/day) at the first sign of nipple sensitivity (an early gyno indicator) and reserving AIs for other high-E2 symptoms like hypertension or insomnia could be a reasonable, conservative approach for many, especially in milder cycles.

grok agrees with me btw

>>76564124
LLM are trained to confirm bias and outright lie while having the same tone as if it a thoroughly tested fact

>>76564069
>>76564124
nta but 17b-estradiol even at a low dose heavily overpowers raloxifene

>>76564235
>>76564192
so the retards who I follow recommend to not touch an AI unless you have sides and then to dose it conservatively. But I feel like I am gyno prone already and just pretty scared of the shit.

What is the rule of thumb on dosing AIs? Controlling estrogen without completely crashing it seems like the hardest part of roiding successfully.

How big will i get?

Starting 500 mg daily ecdysterone, 300 mg daily epicatechin, 10 mg piperine, continuing 5 g daily creatine and 2.5 mg daily tadalafil. Undecided on quercetin, but i bought some. I also take 600 mg daily ashwaganda for inner tranquility.

>>76564314
bro I am actually trying to learn how to roid take the troll shit to a different thread

>>76564339
How is it a troll ? I literally posted pics of my stack. Educate yourself. Ecydsterone is a naturally occurring anabolic steroid on WADA's watch list.

>>76564339

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/scientific-research/ecdysteroids-non-conventional-anabolic-agents-pharmacodynamics

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/scientific-research/ecdysterone-non-conventional-anabolic-agent-part-2-urinary-excretion

>>76564339
Not interested in steroids that make me bald and crash my test if I ever stop.

>>76564266
>gyno prone
Lose weight
But yes taking an AI is not ideal, though I'd recommend it in conjunction with raloxifene especially for extreme cases of gyno
Also try topical DHT gel but I don't know if that actually works
>>76564314
The ecdysterone is the only thing that will actually work. I hope you bought it straight from China and not from a supplement jew.

>>76564314
>How big will i get?
You won't even notice if you're gaining anything

>>76564462
dude if you can buy it legally you know its shit so why are you even asking when you knew the answer all along?
that board has gone to shit, if you want to troll at least keep crying about your terminal cystic acne instead of larping as a retard

>>76564518
>if you can buy it legally you know its shit
nta but the trolling seems to be in full force today

>>76540975 (OP)
Should I get blood work done before taking roids for the first time?
For some reason, I feel like some things may not be right with me. So, I'd like to go through with it after checking all my levels.
If so, what things should I be testing for?
I'm skinnyfat and for the past 2-3 months, I've been trying to cut down on my fat. I lost like 15lbs. I did pushups and other bodyweight exercises but slacked on dumbbell exercises.
Currently my face has low fat but my body(apart from my arms) are still pretty pudgy.

>>76564992
yes bro just for general health in general get some blood work. Do like CMP, CBC, Cholesterol, Test, Estrodiol, and anything else you suspect could be fucky maybe your thiroid hormones.

Go to your primary care providor with a list and tell him to order it. Or if you don't have insurance then go to any "lab test now" type place. It will be expensive like probably 300+ dollars. I know thats bullshit but its good to know whats going with your body and shit.

Honestly though if you are just taking test for a first cycle (which is generally recommended) I am not sure you really need bloodwork during the cycle. Just check your blood pressure every day and don't let it get crazy thats how you really fuck yourself up.

>>76564992
No hop on it's time. 500 test and some anadrol preworkout brother

>>76564992
Just lose more fat before you think about roids at all

>>76564314
1.5 lb in a year at those doses

>>76564314
if it's not banned by wada, shit won't do anything for you. or you can use Turkesterone for athletes likes you, use code greg

How is dragon pharma? Any complaints?

is it hard to pin? will i kill myself if i fuck up or it isnt that hard?

>>76567465
its pretty hard to fuck up ventroglute. if you are a dumb retard you can even do subq
you can ltierally feel the exact muscle you need to do on vg by just putting weight on it. use a marker if you need to. eventually you know where to hit it
if you expel a little bit of oil it makes it go in smoother before youre comfortable darting it in

why am i even telling you this how about you use google u stupid fag?

>>76567471
my bad, im indeed a dumb retard so i feel better asking it here to my trusted colleagues

>>76567485
only way ur gonna get harmed doing vg is abscess if u are mega stupid. thjeres like no nerves or blood vessels there. just do the standard alcohol swab on skin, on lid of vial, then again on skin after injection

the more injections and volunme you do you have to explore other sites as scar tissue develops. i can only speak for trt 3x a week

>>76567549
thank you brother

>>76567558
oh yeah last thing actually is that the VG muscle is kinda high up near the hip. idk if its possible but if you went too high you could hit hip bone maybe? depending on needle length? idk. just use a marker on your skin for awhile until you get comfortable with it. also if you "miss" the muscle and its just in the fat it still works anyway just not as good (arguable / minor effect)
gl brotha

Has anyone tried Vorck's protocol for raising ferritin? Mine is around 40 and I feel like after next donation it's gonna be less than 20 and I'll feel like shit.

I got the iron bisglycinate from Kirkman like he recommended but I am a little bit spooked, taking 3 of them (75 mg of iron) 3 times a day seems like a lot and what if instead of building my ferritin it all goes into my hemoglobin and my hematocrit goes into like 60?

Question.
Oldfag here, 39. Looking to start test as trt. What's a good dose per week to keep doing powerlifting type training and how much would it run me in the US?

>>76567465
>is it hard to pin?
No
Retarded trannies and braindead females can pin and you can't? Go to different tranny subreddits for both genders and see how even insane people can easily pin themselves.
>will i kill myself if i fuck up
I mean the chances are not zero (dirty needle, an abscess, sepsis, neglecting all that and death in the end). But you have to be, like, 100% braindead for that to happen. Use alcohol swabs, wash your hands and don't touch the needle before injecting and you'll be fine

It's all in your head mostly. Remember, faggot trannies can do it. You should be able to do it too

>>76567905
100-250mg/week is trt. lot of variation of individual response. go get blood tests before you start -- CMP, CBC, Cholesterol, Test (sensitive.. ms something i forget), Estrodiol (e2. Also do sensitive test) like other anon said, and maybe add prostate (psa) since we're old. look up steroid underground sub forum at think steroids, and start researching. domestic US prices maybe $30 for a 10ml vial at 250mg/ml concentration. test e & c are popular. the e/c are esthers, which change the half life of the active ingredients. e & c will have you injecting once a week at minimum, but that causes hormone peaks & valleys, which can make you feel lousy, so you'll want to split your dose to two or three a week (e.g. 250/week into two 125mg injections/pins. At 250mg/ml you'd pin 0.5ml, or 125mg, twice a week). expect 4-6 weeks before you start noticing things. 6 months for better erections, if you're after improved ed effects. exogenous test at trt levels may cause e2 to rise, so buy an ai (aromatase inhibitor) just in case (arimidex, or aromasin). if you're worried about growing tits (unlikely), buy tamoxifen (dose 100mg every day for a week). if you're worried about blood pressure rising (not uncommon), buy telmisartan (40mg/day). if you're worried about cholesterol rising (common), buy a statin (ugl's vary in which they provide, but they're all fine). if you think you'll stop taking test, buy some exemastane (go to plebbot steroids wiki for dosage) for post cycle therapy (pct). treat yourself to some cheap viagra/cialis raws or tabs while you're at it too. no reason, just fun. you can find 100 GRAMS of the stuff for about $45 from chinese sources. anyway, check your bloods again two months after starting trt, and see how it's going

>>76567786
is red meat out of the question? or you can get those Flintstone chewables with iron lol

>>76567786
Why are you donating blood? If you blood pressure is high, then fix your diet and take supplements for it. Donating blood works like once.

>>76568384
Thanks, Anon, that helps a lot!
t. Pinless, ped virgin

Nibivolol and cialis combo for blood pressure. Based or cringe?

Beligas dbol gives me stomach aches
So much for paying extra

want to start pinning once a week instead of twice a week, will this fuck my shit up?

I want to hop back on the gear

>>76569137
Once a week is perfectly fine for Enanthate sized esters and larger. Retards obsses over "stable bloods" ignoring how average natty (and you were a natty at some point, yes) deals with 20-30% test fluctuations DAILY. Not to mention the depression in testosterone which can occur with poor lifestyle choices.

I do Once a week in my ass and feel great.
>>76569294
Just hop on. Ive been blasting since April with only a few weeks were I was forced on break. Injectables are very tolerable. Only time I felt kinda shit, was when I went 2 weeks one 15mg m1t and was starting to get lethargy, thst was with daily Tudca, orals are no joke.

>>76567905
Nothing i hate more than a retard who cant even be bothered to spend 5 minutes of research. And youre 39 asking for TRT? Fuck off lmfao

coming up on 12 weeks off hrt and my cum is starting to look cloudy again

>>76560332
stop pinning test then lol

>>76564445
>ecdy
is this 2006

>>76550968
It's the UK lad, just get whatever orals are going around in spoons. Take them with zero plan or routine, bench once a week and then get yourself to ibizia in a tank top. The NHS will cut off your gyno in a few years, lush.

>>76564992
if you cant afford bloodwork, you can't afford roids lol

What compound will make me a real and present danger to women?

I've done 500mg test cycles before and they were okay but aside from potentially sub clarity of mind I can't say I found myself particularly hyped or high libido.
What's next if i want to Dahmer-max?

>>76570872
But he obviously can - a test cycle would cost you $500 with all PCT and AIs. A cycle with pre, during and post bloods would be triple that. Clearly the former is more affordable.

>>76544307
Medichecks are alright
Doing a precycle blood test with them next week

>>76570935
Tren is one that made someone so horny that he just started fucking trannies or gay bottoms rather than waste time pursuing flakey women who might not even put out.

>>76570935
>What compound will make me a real and present danger to women?
>Needs a compound to be a danger to women
>as a man
It never even began for you anon…

>>76569839
How does it taste?

>>76571586
I dunno anon

>>76555419
>>76554490
>>76545329
>>76541636

Dipshit here who pinned the quad. I am on day 8 and my thigh is still solid as a rock. I can walk but almost nothing else. No discoloring, just pain at the injection sight and below andn around my knee from the swelling

Still following docs suggestions. Thanks lads fo the AI recommend.
Does the fact that it was oil nased change anything?
Can I drain the fluid at all?

>>76569345
>Nothing i hate more than a retard who cant even be bothered to spend 5 minutes of research. And youre 39 asking for TRT? Fuck off lmfao

I didn't know where to start so I started here. What was I supposed to do, ask Google about my illegal drugs? Pull the stick out of your ass, fag.

>>76568384
if you're worried about growing tits (unlikely)

Is it really that unlikely? The main reason guys have low test is because they are over weight and aromatize. So the main reason why a guy would start doing trt is also the main reason why trt will give him gyno. I bet the vast majority of TRT users have to use an AI just to not have tits

If Masteron were to make my hair fall out, how fast would I notice it happen?
Been using Primo with no issues, switching to Mast.

>>76571801
You need to taste it

>>76571982
No thankies

Thought my hair was fine then I took a photo of my crown and it looks thin there, should I try ketoconazole shampoo?

I was planning on trying deca this blast so I don't think fin is a good mix with deca right?

>>76572069
I’ve been using nizoral for over a decade now. I don’t think it’s a strong anti-balding measure. It’s just effective against balding caused by fungus and I think that’s pretty rare.

Of course I don’t have a twin brother who didn’t use nizoral. But I feel like my gradual receding hairline is exactly like my dad who never had nizoral.

Any tips for frauding my trt clinic into giving me the maximum test dosage?

My plan is to just not administer any test for 4 days before my blood test (the half life of test C I believe). But I am afraid that if it’s too low they will kick me off or something

>>76572222
Only answering your shit question cause you got digits: who gives a shit what your trt dose is, just use more steroids

>>76553634
No that’s Telmisartan. Telmisartan however, you have to mind your potassium intake.

>>76558903
>DHB
you on tudca? get your ALT/AST checked after a DHB cycle

Does Fin only protect against testosterone induced baldness?
So if my balding was caused by DHT based steroids it would do nothing??

>>76572569
Correct. Fin helps with the conversion of Test to DHT, so Primo wouldn't be affected for example. I believe it's a little more nuanced than that, but fin ultimately helps when it blocks DHT coming from the conversion of testosterone.

>>76573062
>>76572569
RU and other nonsteroidal antiandrogens (typically used to slow prostate cancer) will block the androgen receptor at the scalp, no matter what you're pinning. Do not take them orally, you do not want them to go systemic

>>76572569
>>76573062
more on this, if you really want to get creative and you're already pinning, topical application of some SARMs will stop hair loss, generally the ones with the best tissue specificity for muscle/bone. Best candidates are AC-262,536 and ACP-105, both have molecular weights low enough to get past the dermis and are pretty much hair safe.
Derek claims he knows someone who couldn't tolerate fin and topical S4 completely stopped hair loss, and S4 is a huge molecule. So Ostarine/LGD4033 are also good candidates since they have very high binding affinity and are extremely tissue specific in effects.
Any reported hair loss due to ostarine/lgd is because the SARMs out competed their natural testosterone, this actually causes increases in free test (initially), which gets reduced into DHT yadda yadda, eventually test gets suppressed which crushes E2 also causing hair loss

I don't believe I'm addicted to steroids, I took a day off and just played video games all day, chilling

but they are very fun, and it would be boring to not take them

>>76573779
>sarms get fda approval for hair loss instead of anything else
A fitting fate

>>76573846
fda will never ever approve a sarm for hair loss, there are too many knock-on effects if you aren't already using test + ancillaries, look at all the zoomers crying that ostarine "ruined their life" and know nothing about HPTA

what are the downsides of taking clen to get down to 12% bf if I'm a skinnyfat natty 17% piece of shit right now

>>76573062
>>76573536
Thanks I think I will do ketoconazole shampoo then minox then RU, one at a time see which one works for me.
I only have slight thinning on the crown, my hairline is the same as always.
I guess worst case scenario if nothing works I only take test eq and hgh with fin? no dht or deca derived steroids.

what happens if u take Tirz/Reta when blasting and bulking? is it just useless or does it help with not getting too fat?

>>76574694
It will kill your appetite and cause slow gastric emptying thus your ability to bulk will be reduced
I took reta to help mitigate EQ hunger and ended up with GI issues like diarrhea if i ate too many carbs, rotten burps after meat heavy meals or anything that wasn't quick digesting and painfully bad gas in stomach and intestines so I was up in the middle of the night my guts painful and pregnant looking while I burped and had diarrhea
Add to that the probability you'll have zero appetite on tirz plus reta and it sounds like a tough bulk for sure
So you would probably gain less fat but highly likely it would make your bulk suboptimal if not failed completely

>>76575068
What's up with nattyfags shitting up this board

>>76564124
>medical advice from an LLM
>LLMs parrot most updooted shit on reddit and wikipedia, which cite one another
i shiggy fucking diggy

STOP using LLMs for anything you cannot logically verify with test vectors

took all my shit this morning after a day off and can't even eat my breakfast, that's why I'm a genius and this is my cutting stack

So I need to inject 2 ml a week for only 150 test and 150 npp right? Sounds kinda shit desu

>>76574694
I think it’s really smart. Honestly just some low dose Semiglutide will make it really easy to comply with whatever clean bulk eating schedule you have planed. That’s the value of it, 100% diet compliance for months without fucking up.

If you are the type of turbo disciplined robot who never fucks up his diet then no stay away from glps. If you are low appetite to the point where you’d struggle to eat enough also stay away.

I have also read about bodybuilders are discovering that Reta is counter productive at low body fat percentage and trizepitide seems to be the one you want sub 10%

Me I just like Semiglutide because it is cheap and strong on appetite

>>76575075
This isn't a thread for answering newbie questions, it's just a bunch of shutins recreationally taking gear talking about stupid unhelpful shit like acne sides or the odd autoandrophilic retard who won't shut up about how he can't stop gooning to fat women now.

Join an actual steroid forum or go to reddit

>>76572254
Only answering your shit answer because you are a stupid fucking roided up gay nigger.

You are a stupid fucking roided up gay nigger, choke on your own spit.

>>76575471
didnt bodybuilding forum shut down? and that other roid forum is full of 60+ year old geezers because no one under the age of 30 uses forums anymore

>>76575481
Uh oh melty

Where does fraud but his needles? Cheap but good ones. I assume there's places better than Amazon...

>>76575663
My sister works at a hospital and steals boxes of them for me.
She think I'm on TRT so only 1ml ones, I gotta come up with some excuse to tell her I need 2ml ones next time.

anon this morning said I look like a roider
I am 130lbs

>>76576058
>130 pounds

Are you looking for a boyfriend? I’ll take care of u sweety come to daddy

>>76576110
no I just couldn't believe he thought that said it was the veins

>>76576172
skellington

>>76576215
don't care

>>76575663
medlabgear or gpz
Mostly diabetic stuff but everything you probably want for roids
Theres others too, look for BD or Terumo needles/syringes or vendors that carry them
Personally I do Amazon for drawing needles and EasyTouch insulin syringes with needles then medlabgear for IM injection needles
Then whichever has deals for 1 and 3ml luer lock syringes
Basically premium for larger needles that need to be sharp as possible and amazon chinese for the rest

>>76575075
What part of any of that makes you think they are natty

>>76571910
no joke, but, yes, google it. you just have to sift through the bs (any site that with list formatted articles, any forum that has discussions about redpill/mewing), but you'll always find something helpful

>>76571915
i did say to buy an ai, but i guess i was thinking more about gyno from prolactin issues. as long as he keeps his e2 down, he should be able to avoid titties

>>76576650
Or just fucking ask in this thread? Stop being a gatekeeping little bitch

>>76577018
nigger i answered his trt thing. i was telling him he can literally google things. there's not some google boogie man that's gonna bust down his door for looking up roid info

>>76576058
>>76576172
>>76576229
>>76576233
How short are you bro? You honestly look great but man, 130lbs is just SO tiny.

Hey lads, im not on the gear but looking to get a blood test done to see where my levels are at, figured I'd ask here. I ca. Either build my own test or choose a pre-built test like picrel, what would be the most beneficial things to get checked aside from free and total test? The site is imedical in aus

>>76577534
Is it worth paying extra for more advanced tests or is the bb1 fine? Any advice appreciated frens

>>76577462
5"9

>>76574527
if youre running supraphysiological levels of test, fin will not save you, even circulating test still has androgenic activity

>>76577462
>you look great
don't lie to dyels

>>76578029
post physique

How much does pinning suck? I currently inject small .025 mL doses of wolverine blend peptides 3x a day with insulin syringes.

Hi
I'm an Australian looking to *talk* steroids with other Australians
Send me an email if you want to be friends and *trade* "tips"
anonimarauder@pm.me

>Off cycle for ~2 weeks
>Feel weak as shit, no energy, can't sleep, low mood, confidence bottoming out, feel like I'm dying at different points
WTF bros why didn't anyone warn me? I thought I was all big muscles and hard dicks. The only positive is that I'm not sweating like fuck anymore.

Can I blast and still keep my hair?
If so how?

>>76578848
Off cycle as in you came off completely? 2 weeks later assuming you were on cyp/enanthate or longer esters you probably still have a decent bit in your system. Regardless, are you not on hcg? What's your pct protocol? And I am assuming you are done with steroids if you're coming off completely (pcting in-between cycles is retarded, should just cruise)
>>76578966
Run dutasteride on blasts with anything higher than trt test. Stay away from dht derivatives unless you really really know what you're doing. Ru58841 is awesome. Basically you're gonna wanna stick to test eq and nandrolone. Many guys can't handle it but low test (~50-75mg) just enough to aromatize and high nandrolone is pretty much the most hair-safe cycle you can do other than the very experimental nandrolone only with exogenous estradiol.

But personally, I've gotten away with a lot despite being prone to hair loss. I reversed my hair loss from a nw3.5 to nw2 and was regrowing even on blast

Good games to play while roid raging, I was thinking like postal, turbo overdrive and doom, but I like rpgs too, so something really gory where I can kill a lot of things with swords and has some lite rpg elements

>>76579169
Miku Fit Boxing. If you're cardio's not up you will get gassed

>>76578999
Isn't dut/fin really bad mixed with nandrolones?

>>76578053
Real men pin

>>76579206
Not necessarily, but I wasn't recommending that alongside low test/high nandrolone, just when test is high. Dihydronandrolone is much less androgenic than dht, and is less androgenic than nandrolone - but nandrolone is still less androgenic than dht or testosterone to begin with. If you're running like 100 test and a gram of npp/deca then yeah fin/dut is probably redundant and slightly counterproductive but not really cataclysmic. If you're running like 500+ test and 200 npp/deca for the joint support you're gonna be much better off with fin/dut

>>76541584
Why are you injecting into your muscle like a retarded boomer lol you realize you can inject just 20 IU subq every day for 240 mg of test a week if you have 200mg/ml test C. So easy and painless and will give you more stable test levels and ultimately better results with less sides than more infrequent injecting.

>>76578999
>2 weeks later assuming you were on cyp/enanthate or longer esters you probably still have a decent bit in your system
I think there's definitely some in my system still, but I can rapidly feel it draining. I was using a blend of 45% of enanthate, 35% cyp, and 20% prop. Or thereabouts.
>are you not on hcg?
I am not. I don't even know if the guy sells it. He probably does I'll ask him tomorrow.
>What's your pct protocol?
I don't have one. I just went full retard and started blasting it and now I've stopped for a bit. I didn't actually plan anything I was doing. Like I say, full retard.
>I am assuming you are done with steroids if you're coming off completely
Nah I'm not done with it. The benefits are too great to stop completely.
I was going to cruise, but I wouldn't know the best way to go about it. For the third time, full retard.
What's the best approach to cruising? I was taking 450/ml. Should I just get like 250/ml and take 1ml rather than 2ml of the 450 I was taking?

>>76579169
>Good games to play while roid raging
The only game I played on my cycle was looking for porn to torrent and then jerking off every day

>>76579828
150 mg of test a week is a typical cruise dose and should put you at the high end of normal test levels. Ofc there is a huge variance in this.

>>76579834
Thanks! I'm going to see if he has that tomorrow. I guess it would be ideal to find a way of getting TRT prescribed for the cruise periods.

>>76579833
Meh I'm on ac262 and enclo and it def does that as well

>>76579199
Warhammer vermentide 2 is pretty lit just bought it on sale all dlc for 29 bucks

good new everyone, just came back from my derm appointment, a cure exist for my terminal acne, thats what the derm said. the derm explained to me that i just need to consumer more semun to compensate for the higher test, the derm told me that any bodybuilder do it (like jeff nippard) and that is how they avoid the terminal acne. im trying to find some of it, he said i should drink 10 to a 15 ml a day to stay clear skin. im relieved bros , i can take steroid again

>>76578053
>wolverine blend peptides
lol what kind of dyel faggot shit is this?

Bros I am feeling huge and watery from 50mg anadrol daily, but holy shit... I sweat like crazy, including in my sleep, and I just fucking stink. Like my BO is way worse. Kinda had this on high test before (750mg a week).

Anyone experience sweats like this on drol?

>>76577572
bb2 would be good to get a prolactin base level in case you decide to hop on a 19 nor

>>76577534
damn thats a good deal my shit costs twice that

>>76577534
>>76577572
oh you're the nigger from sst, getting scammed about his total test. top kek