Thread 76743937

>Where do I learn?
https://old.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index

>Good YouTube channels to learn more?
VigorousSteve
Dr. James
Diagofit

>Any books?
Anabolics by William Llewellyn 11th Edition. (Do not follow the cycle and pct recommendations, its outdated. However it's great for learning about different compounds)
Link: https://annas-archive.org/md5/564aacbc398bdd55dd90bd128be33e79

>Where do I purchase my gear?
Stop asking to be spoonfed, there are countless bodybuilding forums that will guide you in the right direction. Do your research. Always opt for legit pharma gear if possible.

>>76743937 (OP)
>Good YouTube channels to learn more?
VigorousSteve
Dr. James
Diagofit

I really hope you guys don't do this

>>76743971
As always the contrarian who doesn't even fraud has to yap his gums

Is it more worth it to fraud with test to get social confidence gains or fraud with psych drugs (phenibut, gabapentin, lyrica, etc...)?

>>76743988
That is frankly a really dumb reason to fraud. Ask yourself if its really worth taking multie toxic medications and shut yourself down just be able to do something you can completely do naturally with a little work.

>>76743994
How so? The social effects of testosterone and your hormone levels in general are well documented.

>>76743996
There is no medication or supplement that will fix your ability to socialize with others. This isn't the answer you want to hear, but the only way to get good at it is to get uncomfortable and practice IRL. Its like expecting steroids to make you huge without working out but even more ridiculous than that.

>>76743988
Not comparible. You can take phenibut like 1x/wk max otherwise you get brutal withdrawals from its insane tolerance curve. You're in it for the longhaul with gear

1g phenibut + a shot or two of vodka will crush 90% of your anxiety though

>>76744013
Will it really fix the problem though? If he requires alcohol and phenibut to socialize and be confident, is that really the ideal solution?

>>76744016
If you actually use them as training wheels to stop being a sperg, yeah. The problem is not taking that shit when you have it lying around and obeying the once per week rule. Easy on paper, but life happens and the bullshit of day to day living can easily have you grabbing scoops to cope. Then you enter something called "phenibut hell" where you need to slooooowwwlllyyy taper down, or you can literally start seizing.
>t. Ex phenibut user
Never got to seizure levels, but the 1 week cold turkey after a ~ month long use was some nasty shit. Thankfully I can now use it as intended, as the fear of going through that outweighs the temptation to double dip

>>76743976
>shilling for jewtubers
>diagofit
>let me abuse tren for the lols, starts milking from his tits, oh no guys I can't stop blasting but follow what I said
>slavnigger steve
>250mg test only, 25mg anavar is deleterius, le primo is king

>getting emotional from legally blonde
you think my estrogen is too high, or is that movie just that good?

>>76743937 (OP)
which one is your youtube channel pussy

>>76744078
Lower your tren dose you are clearly schizo

>>76743996
roids aren't fucking magic. at best, they help you be more you. If you're a fucking spaz now, you'll be an insufferable self delusional overly paranoid fuckwit on gear. fuckin sick of this dumb shit you fucking idiots pull out of other people's asses. do yourself a favor, and forget this shit exists before you go and do irreparable harm to yourself. take propanolol if calling a pizza place gives you panic attacks. not fucking aas. fucks sake

>>76744054
i mean.... it's pretty good

>>76743996
If you're a nervous bitch and take testosterone you will be a nervous bitch with bigger muscles.

>>76744078
he's diagofit, he's not first time he shilled his channel in these threads

>>76744042
Steve looks like he's that guy irl who'd microcorrect you on everything. Like he's perpetually seething and you can literally feel him suppressing his tren rage long enough to make videos

>>76744226
NTA but I've already done enclo and it made me feel pretty damn comfy in social settings from getting just shy of 1k ng/dl, after being albeit mid T levels at 600. I can more or less deduce what ~1.5k+ would feel like. Does test have a U shape effect on confidence at high ranges or something. Yes I know I'm about to be roasted for testing serms before pinning

>>76744228
Do I look dark enough to be him? Take your meds nigger. Yes he's a retard on some stuff but his steroid videos on yt are pretty good, certainly better than a lot of the shitfluencers on social media.

>>76744304
Cut your nails

>>76743976
he gives solid advise tho and shows what happens when you fuck around. do as he says and not as he does.

>>76743988
do you want to fry your brain or organs
>>76743994
man who's considering becoming a frauder has LIKELY tried le little work and le being yourself and le self improvement and has concluded that he's not like the average man that just goes with the natural flow of life and to who normal things like relationships just happen on their own with little to no work
exchanging little bit of your physical health for mental health can be worth it

>>76743937 (OP)
I started taking testosterone approximately 1 years ago, and I didn’t want to notice that I started gaining an attraction for men, but I never found myself to be attracted to other guys sexually.
I’ve experimented with men, before and after transitioning, but not after my first testosterone shot. and it wasn’t enjoyable (he told me it was normal the first time), but, after my first shot I started gaining an attraction towards them, although, I am more attracted to females.
I have been in multiple relationships and was sexually active with cisgender females before taking testosterone. I don’t see how anything except the testosterone could have affected me.
There's actually research on this, it's a common experience. One study on ncbi showed 49% of trans guys attractions changed after starting testosterone, you can find dozens of articles where journalists talk to trans guys about it, and hundreds of posts by trans guys saying this happened

I never found guys attractive and after about a year on T things began to change, but I'm not romantically attracted to guys. It is definitely the hormones, also some heterosexual males that do high doses of the anabolic steroid trenbolone stop it because all of a sudden they become attracted to other guys and have fantasies of doing sexual things with another guy and it freaks them out.

>76745047
What the fuck is this

Cocaine and other stimulants for fat loss. They seem to help tremendously. You easily barely eat any food. You lose your anxiety about losing your gains, and I've been told on here that stimulants actually directly increase the rate at which you burn fat, specifically, and that caffeine also does this. Coke is pretty fun when you're in the US and you can get it for relatively cheap in bulk off the dark net. I just need to lose somewhere around 50 or 60 pounds of fat before I'll be lean and possibly have abs.

Coke makes me stop caring about losing muscle and losing strength. I start to think about being a playboy and women thinking I'm a super hot, young, lean, muscle man. I've been on roids for over a year now. I'm taking much less now. 400mg test E with 175mg anavar weekly. I've also been taking finasteride, since I've determined I don't have the best genetics, and I don't want to make this my whole identity. I'm also 5'11 and 25.

I just want to impress some older women between 10 to 20 years older than me with financial security. I'm a mentally-ill dude who gets a bit less than $1000 in NEETbux that I can spend on whatever I want. I have a decent home gym, but my dad still regularly drives me to the gym for the machines they have there. I could be the chadlite lover of an older woman as long as she provides for me. I'd be taking care of the house, cleaning, organizing, doing the laundry, and cooking (My dad is an actual chef, so I know a bit.). I hope all of this on top of being an athletic young man would make such a woman happy and want to keep me. And I do prefer older women. The first woman who ever kissed me, who ever made out with me, was a 24-year-old woman when I was 15. I love older women.

Cocaine and other stimulants for fat loss. They seem to help tremendously. You easily barely eat any food. You lose your anxiety about losing your gains, and I've been told on here that stimulants actually directly increase the rate at which you burn fat, specifically, and that caffeine also does this. Coke is pretty fun when you're in the US and you can get it for relatively cheap in bulk off the dark net. I just need to lose somewhere around 50 or 60 pounds of fat before I'll be lean and possibly have abs.

Coke makes me stop caring about losing muscle and losing strength. I start to think about being a playboy and women thinking I'm a super hot, young, lean, muscle man. I've been on roids for over a year now. I'm taking much less now. 400mg test E with 175mg anavar weekly and 0.5mg arimidex EOD. I've also been taking finasteride, since I've determined I don't have the best genetics, and I don't want to make this my whole identity. I'm also 5'11 and 25.

I just want to impress some older women between 10 to 20 years older than me with financial security. I'm a mentally-ill dude who gets a bit less than $1000 in NEETbux that I can spend on whatever I want. I have a decent home gym, but my dad still regularly drives me to the gym for the machines they have there. I could be the chadlite lover of an older woman as long as she provides for me. I'd be taking care of the house, cleaning, organizing, doing the laundry, and cooking (My dad is an actual chef, so I know a bit.). I hope all of this on top of being an athletic young man would make such a woman happy and want to keep me. And I do prefer older women. The first woman who ever kissed me, who ever made out with me, was a 24-year-old woman when I was 15. I love older women.

>>76745047
actual roid tranny

Are you a woman taking T to be manly, or a MTF taking T to become TheyHulk?

>>76743937 (OP)
this nigga died of sodium kidney stones overdose

>>76743971
>>76744042
>>76744229
>thread shills terrible ytubers
>thread goes to shit
Whoda thunk

Can we just agree not to shill ANY youtubers in the OP?

>>76745125
When I’m reminded that people like this exist, I feel a little sad inside. What the FUCK, man.

I get it, you’re high right now, but fucking seriously? Never in my wildest coke-fueled egotistic fantasies have I ever even dipped a toe into the lake of narcissism you are currently swimming in. Grow the fuck up, you fucking loser.

What does he say that is wrong tho?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbH4dioF3k0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t5aT9-3Hg

>>76745208
I also started this thread if you're interested.
>>>/lgbt/41407651

I fraud to improve my health

>>76743971
Since no one mentioned it, Dr. James is good

Reminder: b&c is a meme, there is no downside to moderate length cycling once or twice a year. You are not a professional bodybuilder, you are just some guy with big muscles, it's not worth annihilating your endocrine system and shortening your lifespan 10-15 years.

lol true

>>76745292
>moderate length cycling
How many weeks?

How do i get bloodwork? Do i go to a doctor? I haven't been to a doctor in 10 years. I dont know if i even have health insurance.

>>76745321
HURR DURR YOUR RETARDED YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO GET BLOODWORK HURR DURR GATEKEEPING IS GOOD

>>76745314
12. If you don't see serious gains within 12 weeks you should consider a different hobby that you are not genetically handicapped at.

>>76745208
>>76745260
>Never in my wildest coke-fueled egotistic fantasies have I ever even dipped a toe into the lake of narcissism you are currently swimming in.
Essentially wanting to be a house hubby with a mental illness who doesn't have to hold a job and just does whatever around the house for his wife? I'd be super happy if I were able to pull this off. I also started this thread earlier on /r9k/.
>>>/r9k/82851404

Roidnigger gatekeeping laundry list:

>you're too young
>you haven't trained enough
>you're too poor
>you don't have a gay boy car
>you don't know how to get bloodworm
>you came into the thread about steroids and asked about steroids
>you don't want to commit to 20 continuous years of AAS abuse

Meanwhile, 16 year olds continue to blow up on tren within 1-2 years blindly ordering online, doing sarms, eating like shit, training like shit, and make millions getting monetised.

>>76745292
>not seeing the difference between pro bodybuilder levels of roids that absolutely can reduce your lifespan and any other way of doing things
A gross oversimplification and makes it seem like you don't even fraud
Anti-roid chud vibes, just come in and call everyone a roid tranny it's more entertaining 2bh

>>76743937 (OP)
>on steroid forum
>moderators doesnt like me
>claims I sent a bunch of DMs to women and bans me for it

I have never sent a single DM on that site, ever

>>76743937 (OP)
To anyone here who uses 0.5" insulin pins for their delts, you ever draw with that pin an use the same one to inject? Thinking of doing that rather than backloading, just curious if others have bothered with that an your experiences? Heard half inch get badly dulled/blunt after drawing?

>>76745516
Everyone who uses them for insulin doesn’t back load them, they load and inject with the same needle. That’s how they are supposed to be used. I did it that way and the needle is still sharp.

Loading them with oil can take forever though bc oil is thicker and the needle is tiny so backloading them can be faster.

>>76745215
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4rjvNFthtCo

Can you fix steroids acne without Accutane?

>>76745815
in my case, accutane hardly helped, i took EQ and all the shit came off almost almost immediately. no your derm wont suggest you to take EQ, in fact he will tell you not to and to take accutane
you do you

>>76745855
How would EQ help acne? Is this common or something that just worked for you?

>>76746044
i am not a derm and cant answer, i did it after some anons claimed it helped them

>>76746056
Well shit good enough for me, what's the minimum dose you'd recommend? I never took eq

>>76746076
dont listen to the troll, EQ will wreck your skins up with more break out, go see a derm asap before it turns to scars

Doc recommended I go on clomid as an alternative to TRT.

What are your thoughts on taking clomid to increase testosterone levels?
Note: I am not trying to reproduce right now, I just don’t want to shut down my testicles.

Gonna start a 20 week 800mg Test C bulking cycle. I'm maybe 2 or 3 weeks from finishing cutting on 300mg. Should I start blasting when I hit my goal weight or 1 or 2 weeks before I expect to finish cutting?

>>76746565
depends on how low you are, whether you have primary or secondary hypogonadism, and where you want to be. Clomid imo has worse side effects than pinning in the long term

>>76746639
test will add water weight, so, if you want to see that number, start after you hit it

>>76746726
I dont really care about seeing the number desu. I know the trajectory of my fat loss and the diet is dialed in 100%. I'm used to a swing of about 5-8 pounds of water weight when hopping on anyway, so I know to account for it.

>small test base
>long ester trest
>any random dht
>orals or sarms if you feel like it
don't think I'll ever do anything else desu

I'm on baby's first cycle (500mg test) and it's so wild how calm I've gotten. Less anxiety and stress... I'm even less of a coomer, i feel in charge of my impulses much more than before. Like my head is clearer, waking up in the morning is no longrr torture... Anyone else experience this?

Is it normal for the side of your body with your heart to have more vascularity or is that a bad sign lol

>>76746797
blasting always turns me into a gigacoomer until I inevitably let my estrogen get out of control

>>76746808
I had that fear but no. Normally I'm an escort addict and an absolute coomer I'll be edging for an entire day until my balls fucking hurt. I've had entire Saturdays absolutely wasted edging. And i don't even do any sort of recreational drug
I'm just sick in the head tbqh
How does your coompulse manifest? Porn? Wanking? Edging? ...sex?

>>76746797
Sounds like placebo, if anything test will make you a gooner. Unless you're taking finasteride.

>>76746824
I'm not lol
I mean, I'm still an absolute gooner, the desire is still there but i can control it much better.

>>76746815
>How does your coompulse manifest?
Honestly it gets really bad sometimes. I spend a lot of time flirting with tranny tops on insta. My favorite is to sniff my girlfriend's dirty asshole while I make her edge me. Then I'll fuck her for an hour straight while I call her a filthy whore and make her suck her ass juice off my tongue and put my most powerful vibrator on her clit until she's literally crying and begging me to stop making her cum.

I was like this before roids desu, but they definitely made me worse.

Am I supposed to remove this piece of metal in the middle??

>>76746860
NO NIGGA

>>76745452
KEK

>>76746863
I can barely fit an alcohol swab through it to wipe the silicon stopper tho??

>>76746896
he's making fun of you because you're clearly retarded. yes I would suggest removing it. why would you even need to ask?

>>76746905
I've never seen a vial with this shit on it at least not when I ordered peptides, Jesus Christ you gate keeping trannies are insufferable

>>76746896
I'm not memeing you. You just need access to the membrane. Don't put the alcohol swab on there no need. Just use two different needles and you're good. One syringe to extract, one to inject. And of course apply a good amount of alcohol on your skin to clear it
That's how i do it at least

>>76746933
>One needle to extract, one to inject.
Fixed

>>76746797
Same, started test at 100 (diagnosed low T) and moved up to 500 a week for the last month. Everything in life just got better. Libido feels relatively unchanged for me except once a week my dick will decide it can break through a concrete wall if I let it.

>>76746933
Yeah that's what I do, thanks for the info. I've just never seen this little metal piece in the center surrounding the stopper

>>76746797
I am absolutely more calm, less anxiety and stress, however I am 100% a gigacoomer when my E2 is dialed in right. On my first blast of 500mg I was absolutely super-libido 24/7.

>injected some yk-11
>heart hurts

I never wanted to /fraud/ until I had kids. Just the idea of possibly screwing up my balls scared me.

Anyway, now that I've had kids, I'm thinking about a test e cycle. What are the real downsides?

>>76747193
You will shut yourself down. If you cycle, that means you gotta take toxic breast cancer meds to restart production, along with feeling low T sides for weeks.

You gotta control e2, if it gets too high you could get gyno, and once it forms the only way to get rid of it is surgery. If you crash your e2 you'll be depressed AF, no libido, achy joints

The only way to keep most of your gains is if you blast and cruise. If you cycle, eventually you will revert back to your natty limit best case scenario until you begin another cycle.

>>76747209
Thx for the reply.
Qrd on blast and cruise then?

I'm assuming that's starting off a high dose and maintaining

>>76747221
Blast means a cycle of high dose compounds, then once its over instead of coming off everything you run TRT, rinse and repeat. Most people here will recommend B&C, but that comes with its own problems. You're taking risks with your health either way, up to you to decide if its worth it.

>>76747221
read the fucking wiki

>>76746740
ah nice. well i'm a junkie, so i'd just hop on asap. make lifts go brrrrr

>>76746860
looks like it ripped from the plastic cap when you popped it off. you could try clipping those little metal bits that connect it to the edge. just be careful not to remove any more than that middle bit, or else the rubber stopper could pop out, and you'll either lose your oil, or allow crap to get in there

>>76747221
750mg blast 24 weeks, 200 cruise 24 weeks, ad nauseum. check cholesterol and prostate antigen twice a year. watch for high e2 sides on blast, and take an ai twice a week if they pop up. shrimple

>>76747226
Why not add compounds when cruising so you're at least replacing lower test with something? And then come off the extra compounds when blasting?

>>76745292
Gay

>>76747193
You will never come off once you start. Don't know if that's a downside but its a truth.

>>76747829

Injecting 3ml of oil is usually not considered a cruise.

>>76747934
Tell me why you wouldn't do that.

>>76743988
Who do so many people want a magic shortcut pill to fix their shit? Put in the fucking work

>>76747209
Literally all of these downsides are inherent to pinning. Cycles are fine and are what someone new should do for their first time, rather than committing to jabbing themselves with needles for the literal rest of their lives. Yes you dont get to keep all of your gains once the cycle ends, but you keep several times more mass than you would have gained staying natty so you are still coming out way ahead. Nothing wrong with B&C and honestly thats where most people end up if they do more than one cycle, but for a first timer its better that they try the sample pack first before signing up for life.

>>76747961

A cruise should be a break. What you're describing is a permablast. I'm ok with that if you are but it's not B&C.

>>76749697
You're not breaking either way. You're still taking test.

I've just recently started taking tren and it's made me so angry. Or rather, the stuff that used to annoy me really pisses me off now. about an hour ago I got into a pretty big argument with one of my annoying co-workers and I'm like 99% sure I just got written up and will have to see HR this week. Before I would have just sighed and let it go but today I could feel myself getting hot and sweating. Like my body went into fight or flight mode over some guy being a little annoying. I don't think this is for me. I'm too weak mentally to hold it in.

>>76749832
Sounds like woman behavior, youre clearly not taking enough

>>76641226
still wondering about this one op

>>76749832

Dosage & ester? Also, what other compounds are you on right now?

>>76749694
>but you keep several times more mass than you would have gained staying natty so you are still coming out way ahead
You won't keep gains past your natty limit. Its impossible. Once you cycle off, over time you will return to your natty limit, there is no amount of diet or training that can keep any gains past your natty potential without anabolics.

>>76750446
True but what if someone is fine being at their natty limit? If you are lifting competitively or something of the sort then sure, you need to get big as possible. But if you are just some average joe walking around looking to be in shape, I feel like there is no shame in cycling and going back to natty. Then again everyones test levels are so pathetically low compared to decades ago that keeping a modest cruise dose going almost seems therapeutic and legitimately beneficial to ones health.

>>76749822
Retarded monkey, your own body produces test. If you take a low dosage like 170 to 185. You're staying in the natty zone while your CNS and health markers recover.

>>76750626
I think for a first time user a cycle is what they should go with, as you said before. If someone can dial in their diet and training to keep the gains at their natty limit (most people wont do this but its possible) and they're happy with their natty limit then that's best case scenario.
The reality is almost nobody stops at one cycle though.

>>76750680
You're the retard. You could be taking low dosages of tren by your definition still be taking a break.

>>76750734
alright you're baiting, no one can be this retarded. Just keep blasting king

>>76750837
Ok, so you have nothing

>>76743937 (OP)
If i took steroids id be able to break someones arm mid punch and wpuld probably end up eating their face off

>>76743988
I have never experienced any noticeable psychological effects from higher dosages of test. I'm a docile and socially anxious fuck by nature, no compounds I've ever tried fixed that. Looking good and getting compliments and getting hit on/approached by girls absolutely helped, but in reality most of the work is done internally. The more you interact with people the better you get at it the more positive responses you get the more you see the "evidence" that you can do it, that's really all there is to it.

>>76746800
>Side of the body with your heart
You mean your LEFT side or are you one of those genetic anomalies? Is that side your dominant handed side?

>>76749822
Actual retard, not sure if bait tho bc its so retarded

>>76751025
You're retarded.

oldhead checking in

jesus christ these threads fucking suck now holy shit.

>>76751261
You're the nigger

>>76745516
I've done hundreds of injections like this and it's fine. Drawing with a 29 or 30 gauge takes a few minutes but it's not bad.

what should i do for this last bit of stubborn belly fat? already on tirz and tren, and it just won't fucking go away. clen + t3? some of y'all like dnp, but chinks with raws keep gettin shut down, and i'm wary of a hot tab from some fucko. i hear reta increases metabolism? ive got enough tren raws to last me a minute, so my current plan is to just ride it out as long as i fucking can. bp meds have made it a breeze so far compared to previous blasts, but sides still are tickin up, so my time is limited. i'm doin 500 test 300 tren.... maybe it's just water, and i'm fighting against myself? should i flip it, and go high tren low test? fucking annoying

>>76751267
remember where you are.... this site has always been terrible. that's part of the appeal!

>>76751544
>last bit of stubborn belly fat
first get down to 8% bf
then fix your anterior pelvic tilt
reta does not increase metabolism to the extent clen/t3 does
i would say just do clen or gw501516

>>76744036
>Then you enter something called "phenibut hell" where you need to slooooowwwlllyyy taper down, or you can literally start seizing.
Just using this shit for a week gave me about 5 days of feeling like I was in hell. Phenibut must have the nastiest tolerance buildup out there, as I've done gabapentin for months and dropped it without feeling a thing. Definitely the least worth it anxiety drug out there. I thought the 1x/wk rule was a meme, but fuck me did that shit bite me in the ass

>>76751544
Just fast for 36 hours a couple times bro it will go away, especially if you're on enough gear

>>76751553
>>76752359
thaaaank yooooooous. i'll try fasting first, before ordering clen. never thought about pelvic tilt too. gonna have to check that out

>>76751544

3iu of GH a day makes the stubborn belly fat go away.

>>76751544
Tren decreases HGH and IGF-1. Lower the test and tren. 250 test 150 tren 50mg anavar and 4iu hgh. Cardio everyday and fat will melt away

>>76752504
ooh man i want to so bad.... tranny just posted 36iu kits us domestic, too. i want to do 8iu though, because, fuck it, we ball. seems high enough for happy fun times, and low enough to avoid undesirable effects
>>76752774
ah did not know that! good bit of info. thank you!

>>76751549
it seems to be missing the trip fags who actually gave decent advice and actually posted progress and insight into what they're experiencing.

>>76753081
You can thank the acne nigger and the nattys coming up and shitting up the thread. I try to help where I can, but there are way more experience people than me on here, and truthfully I am running a business so hard for me to help out as much.

Considering the amount of people suggesting PCT, I'm thinking nattys and inexperienced one-cycle fags are ruining it. Still some good posts here and there though.

>decide to see what's going on in the steroid space
https://youtu.be/z0IErAPiu0Q?si=wiMRS0krADcsiz7f
>yeah so SLU is working phenomenally can't gain any fat!
>what else are you on?
>600 test, 300 deca, 150 tren, 175 adrol, 6IU HGH

God they're all still fucking retarded

Considering doing my first cycle in a few months. What do you guys think?
- 400 mg Testosterone Enanthate per week.
- 400 mg Equipoise per week.
- 0.25 mg Arimidex every other day if needed.
- 4 g Fish Oil for cardiovascular and lipid health.
- 100 mg CoQ10 for cardiovascular health.
- 600 mg N-Acetyl Cysteine for liver support.
- For PCT: 20 mg Nolvadex + 25 mg Clomid daily for 4–6 weeks.

>>76753632
Retarded. Test only first cycle, eq may be too high depending on how much you aromatize, aromasin is better than arimidex if you even need it with that much eq, liver support for WHAT anon, PCT is retarded also eq will suppress you for months after

>>76753632
>first cycle
>all that shit
Retarded

>>76753234
>you have to commit to roiding for the rest of your entire life otherwise you don't deserve help
>I try to help where I can
Gee thanks
What if I want to do one or two cycles a year and I don't want to always be on drugs?

>>76753632
My first cycle was 400mg T, 1000mg eq and 50mg tbol
I did fine
Mild cycle
>liver support
Why

>>76751544
yes, lower test and higher tren will make you lean out

>>76752774
lmao wtf is this anti advice, you didn't even suggest winstrol

>>76753776
You are clearly the same faggot responding about PCT every thread

You shouldn't really fraud before 30

And by the time you're 30, there's really not much reason to not do it forever unless you're just lazy or lack discipline

KYS

>>76753776
There is nothing wrong with cycling. There are a lot of malding manlets in these threads that think that its all or nothing because thats what they did. Do a cycle and see how it works out for you. If you go past one though you might as well just go for life at that point because seesawing your endocrine system over and over is definitely not good for you. Chances are you will inevitably end up not coming off because most people dont simply try it one cycle and stop forever.

>>76753791
if the fast dont break the belly, i might try swapping test/tren dose next and see how i fare. thanks

>>76750855
You need test because it is the only way for your body to get estrogen. If you cruise on other compounds like tren, they don't aromatize, so you'll crash your natural test and therefore your estrogen levels. You will feel like shit and low e2 is toxic. You also need to give your body a break from toxic compounds by running actual TRT to get your test levels in the natty zone while you recover from a blast.

Is ZPHC an actual pharma?

>>76753977
Lol. No

Are we getting fucking huge in here or what?

>>76745452
You forgot the best one, which is "you're not low bf enough".

>>76753990
no :( tryin

Cruising on a 325mg/wk blend of Test, eq, and Tren. Cutting quite nicely, extremely low cal has me suffering but the physique gains daily are too motivating.

Unless youre competing, there's no reason not to do an agressive PSMF on a cruise for 3-6wks, already dropped from like 23% to 15% in less than 4
>>76753970
While true, dbol and ment cant aromatize as well. They can be sufficient Bases for said reason. The golden era base litteraly was dbol for example, as they thought test was a poor steroid

>>76754261
Same buddy. Wagmi (except for natties and the acnenigger)

>>76753536
>slupp
They all sponsored by websites selling those overpriced placebo bullshit pills

>>76753536
>bothering with steroid e-celebs
I wouldn't but you do you
threads these days are a car crash so I can't blame you too much
currently on 500 test 400 eq 300 deca and 3iu hgh
it's pretty comfy 2bh, mild to no sides, cardio maintaining, no AI needed

>>76754375
hell yeah! just doin at least a little something every day. gotta keep that momentum up

>>76754662
Masteron reaper takes another life

>>76754662
Both of have been bald since before gear. Nbd when you’re jacked, confident, wealthy and good looking.

>250mg test 12wk
>final 8wk jump to 400mg
cant decide if i want to end cycle after the 20 is up or cruise or swap to tren
i like the gains and could keep going but im getting acne on my arm thats making me want to drop back down to 300 or switch

>>76753819
>You are clearly the same faggot
Take your meds, schizo
>you HAVE to be on drugs for the rest of your life after 30
I think you're retarded
I'm not a cancer patient

>>76755098
>wasting 12 weeks on trt dosage
many such cases

>>76753990
Mirin anons

>>76754958
based

>bnc instead of just cycling once or twice a week to maintain peak genetic maximum + change

You're not seriously telling me you want to throw your endocrine system and 15+ years longevity in the toilet just to be the biggest guy in the gym right anon?

You're making serious bank off of being a lifetime medical patient though right? You get your pro card yet? What? You don't compete?

Uh okay, so you're not making money off this, you're not competing with the guys who actually do and have comparable bodies, and you're trashing your health. Right. So it's not your career but you're still doing this? Don't you have other hobbies? No? You just have a gay little boy car? Uh...right.

>>76755727
>just cycle once or twice week then stop
Nattycuck telling you how to run a cycle
top kek

>>76755727
post body nattyfag

>>76755760
I cycle once or twice a year, like a rational person who wants to use steroids as part of a healthy lifestyle.

>>76754958
being bald before roiding solves 99% of roid problems

>>76755727

I've been B&C for about 15 years. Went off twice and have 2 kids. Cycling is gay and useless unless you're in your early 20's. Mid 40's bro checking in who will never go off.

>>76755679
for babbys forst cycle?
yeah
now that i dipped my toes i know how my body reacts and am fine tuning

>>76756367
What did you use to have kids?

>>76756405
typically you ejaculate into a vagina.
I'm sure you watch videos of it all day long?

>>76756256
>i roid bro, promise
Doubtful, even if you do then it's apparent you know nothing about blast and cruise
Not to mention the actual health risks of steroids
Very black and white thinking, incel chud thought patterns

>>76755746
this kek

>>76756256
No you don't, people who actually fraud don't actually do this. If you did this (you don't), you would be miserable for probably a 3rd of the year minimum. I'm extremely healthy, blasted twice, and have cruised for over a year. My health would be worse if I came off at any point.

>>76756428
LMFAO OP BTFO

Started injecting 30mg of yk11 pre workout on top of my other gear and holy shit I am so hungry. I can’t stop eating.

Any of you use genlabs products? How good are they?

I started a 500mg test cycle 2 weeks ago and now my dick is rock hard and super veiny all the time

Can occasional opioid usage harm your gains? It seems like only really alcohol can harm your gains.

>>76757400
where's that damn... congrats happy for you black kid meme

>>76757435
Yes opioids are catabolic

>>76756405
My weiner. Stopped cruising for a while. Didn't use anything.

>>76757615
this man weiners

>>76757557
Proof? I've only messed around with them a little bit. They also helped me sleep when I took them by themselves. Ambien is a drug I regularly take that is sometimes considered a PED due to the fact it increases the percentage of your sleep that is the growth-hormone-producing deep sleep. I'd say this effect is negligible.

>>76757735
Chronic opioid use is associated with hypogonadism
https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/31/1/98/2354848

>>76757817
The assumption in this thread is that you're already enhanced. Who cares about hypogonadism when the steroids you're injecting already cause it. Alcohol is just known to be bad for your gains all around.

>>76757843
Doing opioids chronically isn't good no matter how you spin it. It sounds like you want someone to tell you its not.

>>76757853
>Doing opioids chronically isn't good no matter how you spin it.
This is true. I'm still certain it's healthier than alcoholism.

>>76757870
I don’t think so bro. I have actually been surprised to see how it makes some people retarded. I don’t understand by what mechanism opioids seem to be damaging peoples brain but it seems to happen

>>76757877
Alcohol actually kills your braincells. Ethanol itself is neurotoxic. This isn't true for opioids, but chronic psychotropic drug use does change the brain. I don't think most drugs in moderation are going to cause much harm.

>>76757435
If you wanr to do drugs stick with shrooms and thc edibles. Both increase e2 though. Opiods and alcohol kill gains. Nigger weed kills your lungs, brain and cardio

What forum can I use to search for real pharma sources??

test + tren or just tren?

>>76758186
200 Tren E
250 Test E
20 weeks

>>76743937 (OP)
>VigorousSteve
Retarded SEAcel grifter

>>76744229
I once watched a vigoroussteve q&a where he was reading a subscriber question that had the term "in lieu of" in it. He tried multiple times to read and pronounce it but didn't know how to or what it meant then sperged out and said "what the fuck does that mean!? Type fucking English!". The guy is a complete and utter retard.

>>76756769
>No you don't, people who actually fraud don't actually do this. If you did this (you don't), you would be miserable for probably a 3rd of the year minimum.
Not him but the first few years I did gear I just came off after my cycle and had no ill effects. Didn't even bother to PCT other than the first time. I did this like 4 times before bnc. Either my hpta is unusually resilient or the whole shutdown sucks thing is a meme.

>>76756527
>>76756769

BNC copers in full swing I see. Hundreds of men cycle every year with no lasting or short term issues. You really think movie actors would be doing this is if was as miserable and unbearable as you say?

You are a drug addict, you need help.

>>76758243
sounds like the pct off your trt+ isn't going so well
the rest of us will get gains and not be wasting time with some low t bullshit in the meantime
lol
lmao even

>>76758356
If you can't get big off biannual cycles and need to flush your endocrine system down the toilet year round on test and tren then you're really, really not cut out for this.

You're a little league player thinking you're in the big leagues. Golden era athletes didn't even use testosterone or have pct protocols, and yet here you are on your year round dosing protocols without anything comparable to show for it. You are not cut out for this, now be a good boy with your average genetics and cycle like a normal human being whose self-esteem isn't inextricably linked to his muscle size.

You do not just want bigger muscles, which would easily be achieved by cycling. You are not a competitive body builder, which would justify BNC protocols. The only reasonable explabation for your irrational and self-harming habitual behaviour is that you are suffering from autoandrophilia. You are sexually aroused by the idea of being more of a man than a man, this is common in BNC steroid users.

>>76757615
No HCG/HMG/Clomid or whatever the fuck?

>>76758411
>the idea of being more of a man than a man
I mean who isnt

>>76759001
aas makes you functionally infertile, not totally. sperm count is low, but not zero

>>76759179
wtf i shouldnt be cumming in random whores then??

>>76759313
never stop! wasnt uh.... shit, shat was it... trestolone? had something like a 60% success rate as male contraceptive. roids that have a high affinity to bind to progesterone receptors -- 19 nors -- might do the trick, too

TRT fag here inb4 I am a pussy or whatever

Been on 200mg a week. Feels pretty good. I can go up to 300mg a week and I plan to do that. I can also get some anavar from my clinic I believe its 50mg and 8 weeks worth. For like 400 dollars. You fags think its worth getting the anavar? or just increase my test dose by 50% and ill probably be as juiced as I need to be for the time being?

>>76758411
>u are sexually aroused by the idea of being more of a man than a man

Fair enough lol

Could I /fraud/ flexibility by getting my hands on muscle relaxers, taking a break from lifting for a few weeks, doing brutal stretches past my limits every day while on muscle relaxers with the super flexibility breathing techniques to force my body to be ultra limber?

I want to work on my flexibility, I noticed I pull less muscles doing heavy weight after I started training flexibility.

>>76759581
This thread is about taking steroids to get big, not whatever gay shit you're up to.

>>76759737
I take steroids. But after about your third deadlift injury and being unable to lift your leg above your waste, it's time to start making changes. Even lions limber up in the morning when they wake up to prepare for a day of killing.

>>76759541
What will you do after your bitch dose "blast" and you look in the mirror and you're still dyel?

>>76759541
do iiiiiit

>>76759747
I don't even look remotely DYEL as a natty. Nice projection though

>>76759808
Who cares what he thinks, it's some retarded faggot seething that I talked about getting more flexible who just sits in the thread getting mad at people lmao

>>76758411
Typical retard who gets psychologically attached to whatever bullshit allowed him out his decrepit pit, so he gives it some divine status and compulsively demonizes any alternative. Similar phenomenon in dieting and lifting splits. Ketoschizos are a prime example
>>76759581
>Could I /fraud/ flexibility by getting my hands on muscle relaxers, taking a break from lifting for a few weeks, doing brutal stretches
What retarded Facebook group did you gleam this from?

>>76759581
Bro just find some stretching routine on YouTube and follow it. Everyone says deca will cushion your joints and make them feel good but it’s not quite the same thing as increasing flexibility. There are some drugs that have this kind of effect but I wouldn’t touch that shit with a 10 foot pole. You can imagine weakening your connective tissue being terrible I would think it would age you horribly. Growth hormone seems to be joint protective as well and increases collagen synthesis. Worth taking some gh

>first time pinning
>250mg test e
>immediately get a rock hard erection
>barge into my parents room and punch my dad in the face and slap my mom on the ass
>wink at her and tell her ”ill see you tonight, tootz”
>dad bursts into treats and runs out the door never to be seen again
>im the man of this house now
>chicken tendies are for dinner later, more protein hell yeah
47 years young and life has never been better.

>>76760143
This is actually not that far off from what happened for me minus the incest vibes. After a couple months on test I unleashed all my criticisms of my family and confronted everyone over their retardation. My sister in law is still afraid to be in the same room as me.

>>76760165
jees. why can't you all be normal sex crazed roiders? why fight, when you can fuck?

>>76760298
i just realized that, yes, i am saying you should pin your retarded sister in law against a wall, and hate fuck her

Rate his stack.

>>76760441
Someone said “swatting flies with a sledge hammer” and I think that pretty much sums it up.

I don’t know enough about nootropics but I would bet that they are all either bullshit or monkey paw in some way.

Some of it’s fine. I think he is under dosing gh. 2 units a day for a 19 year old could very well be less than his natty production I believe. I’d tell him to do at least 3 if he is going to use the shit at all. But when you are literally a teenager you don’t need it.

>>76759743
how is your core? what do you do for it?

>>76760441
This is good bait so I'll take it
>Caffeine
Useless
>Adderall IR
Decent, dose could stand to be reduced a bit
>Cialis
Fine but shouldn't be necessary
>Nootropics
KEK
>Glutathione/NAC
Standard disclaimer applies, he needs to add some glycine
>Melatonin
Not useful if you add glycine as above
>BPC-157
Decent
>hCG, HGH, Anavar, Testosterone
Pretty standard-issue stuff, seems fine, though he really should be taking GHRHa instead of straight HGH (maybe even IGF-1 LR3 if he only cares about that)
>MT2
Fine
>Isotretinoin
No point since he's already taking duta
>Minoxidil
Fine
>Dutasteride
Retard
>Retatrutide
Fine but tirzepatide is probably better
>Carotenoids
Fine
>Pregabalin, Baclofen
Why? "Glutamate is linked to anxiety" kek what a retard
>Alprazolam
Benzo
>Ketamine
Fine if used occasionally at a low dose

>>76760533
none of that is bait, he made a 20 minute video about his stack and admitted he had a mini heart attack already at 19.
He also seems to have cut out a bunch of supplements he was taking a few months ago, like creatine and b12. Unless he's also taking those still and didn't mention it in the video.

>>76758411
tldr your post
I structure my frauds so i don't need pct or AI because they aren't useful and add extra, more severe detrimental effects than a normal cruise
You sound mad, very estrogenic of you
Also you don't know anything about roids, but pretend you do? It's a weird combination

>>76760556
Lol I also saw the video where he crashed his car. Which is what happens when you take a cocktail of prescription drugs to try to approximate the effect of alcohol instead of just drinking 5 beers like a normal fucking guy. The zoomer fear of alcohol needs to be studied it’s like a generational phobia. Idk where it comes from they must have been bombarded with anti alcohol propaganda in school or something

>>76760654
honestly this is probably why i can't get rid of this last bit of belly fat. been doin better, but still like my drink

>>76760556
that's hilarious lmao, he's 19? can easily cut out 80% of the stuff on that stack
>>76760654
yeah honestly if you don't know what you're doing, you can easily do much worse than alcohol

Is injecting supposed to hurt every time? Joined /fraud/ today and did ventral glute with a 27g needle, it feels like the pain is moving down to my thigh like I have a dead leg. Test E 1ml in MCT oil. The actual injecting i didnt even feel but the post pain is just getting worse and spreading, it feels ‘cold’ if that makes sense. Should I be concerned or is this just how it is the first time? Like yeah i can live with it but i wanna be sure im not fucking something up

>>76760940
No. My best advice to avoid pain is to make sure you're injecting in the right area and to not flex your muscles while doing it.

>>76760940
just do your shoulder bro its always painless for me to inject but then it does get itchy cause im allergic to the oil or something

>>76760940
cold sounds like you hit a nerve

>>76760940
Probably just pippy gear. It happens, especially with enanthate. Not much you can do about it

>>76760533
>Isotretinoin
>No point since he's already taking duta
You're confusing dutasterude with oral minoxidil
>Dutasteride
>Retard
What have you got against dutasteride?

what's the "natty stack" that will make me a bit bigger without killing my dick or my lifespan
just want to see some better gains
>>76762264 ???

>>76762314
there is none.
Deal with it.
I'm being serious too.

>>76761358
he's a retarded monkey just like cavicle. he thinks accutane is the same as a dht blocker, says caffeine is useless and prefers hgh peptides instead of hgh.

>>76761358
>You're confusing dutasterude with oral minoxidil
I'm not, most of the skin stuff comes from DHT production intradermally and if you're taking duta already that's blocked
>What have you got against dutasteride?
5a-reductase is important for the brain, one for DHT and at least for allopregnanolone
>>76762782
Caffeine *is* useless if you're taking a stimulant that's far more potent (Adderall)

>>76763083
>var is a sarm
nattylarpers pls go

>>76763083
Say goodbye to your liver.

>>76763083
Stack? Asking for a friend's gf.

What if Tren is actually healthy but the ones taking it are gatekeeping it

>>76762334
thats okay I enjoy lifting
guess ill just stick to it for another 5 years
next cut im using mounjaro though fuck natty cutting this shit is awful

>>76763155
shh shh shhh! zip it!

Complete physique newfag here. Is this even remotely possible natty? One guy told me yes but absolutely not while lean. He said I would need a shitload of bodyfat.

>>76763194
Realistically no, but there is truth in being able to have a lot of muscle if you also have a ton of bodyfat when natty. Gear allows you to hold onto tons of muscle while staying lean, but also push passed the natty limit.

>>76763194
I'd have to know how tall he is before I get impressed.

>>76763786
Well Eddie Hall is 6’3” soooo

>>76763988
well the shorter guy is standing closer to the camera so he's already height frauding.
Manlet detector activiated

i'm coming off test now. weighing up and capping toremifene. planning for kids in the next couple years and i guess it's time to make sure everything works like it should.

>>76763194
lol no aint nobody lookin like that natty unless they have a genetic disorder so bad they wouldnt be at the gym ever