Thread 105559302

How do I make a seamless transition? I am used to Excel

>>105559302 (OP)
>from Microsoft to avoid American infetterence
>to Red Hat to obtain American infetterence (Libre)
Yes, very good

>>105559377
LibreOffice is based in Germany, anon.

Honestly? I'd keep using MS Office, but switch my document formats to ODF.
The only times where I had compatibility issues was when DOCX/XSLX didn't render properly outside of MS Office. Never had any kind of issues with ODF files, no matter how many times I'd save the files back and forth between MS Office and LibreOffice.

The Danes should probably do the same. Libreoffice Calc is ass. Use the right tool for the job (Excel), but prevent vendor lock in by using ODF.

>>105559302 (OP)
are they seriously that butthurt about trump

why libreoffice when onlyoffice is better?

>>105559302 (OP)
>1. download ubuntu
>2. get a blank USB and put ubuntu on it
>3. follow installation guide on internet
>4. erase windows and install ubuntu
>5. install your favorite browser, video player, deluge, bit bleach, etc.
>6. congratulations, your computer no longer smells like Bill Gates balls or has a bunch of bloatware on it

>>105559302 (OP)
Didn't they try this in Germany and give up? That was like 10 years ago though, Linux desktop has come a long way

the issue isn't the office suite itself, libreoffice is good enough in 99% of cases these days (except vba scripting), the problem is the rest of the microsoft ecosystem, active directory and the such

>>105559762
how is active directory an ecosystem problem?

This kind of shit always gets walked back when they realize they have to pay linux sysadmins to implement some kind of hastily patched together remedial domain on the network. A tale older than time itself.

>>105559302 (OP)
This has been tried so many times and they always revert back to windows. Even ruskies gave up on it and just embraced state funded piracy.

>>105559756
It was too early. It's achievable now but they should use OpenSUSE not Fedora.

why isn't the apple office thing ever a option? No clue how good it is but I would have thought that its miles better than libreoffice.

>>105559302 (OP)
View>switch interface>tabbed

>>105559574
There is nothing wrong with calc

>>105559796
>you don't want to exclusively use our software? well then we're going to make it impossible for you to use any of our software (which everyone else uses and as such you have to use to communicate with) good luck :)

>>105559627
It's not

they named a country after pastries? lmao

>>105559762
AD/GP is probably one of the few good things that still remain in Microsoft's ecosystem, unless you count all the cloud-based SaaS bullshit around Azure AD/Entra ID. Falling for sales pitches about off-prem subscription solutions was our biggest mistake.

>>105559302 (OP)
Master emacs, before it's too late.

>>105559821
They both suck, they should invest in aerynos

>>105559762
>>105559853
Ubuntu integrates with AD now.
You'll be using Ubuntu though, so, swings and roundabouts.

>>105559853
you're not really answering the question.

>>105559302 (OP)
The real issue is not interference from foreign countries, albeit a valid worry. It is the various vendor lock-ins you see all over.
In this case sure you can open an excel sheet in libreoffice, but good luck getting the formula's to work that someone made 5y ago, you can't even get it working consistently between languages and/or versions of excel.
The real issue is whenever you buy something (or lately rent it) you're being grabbed by the balls so you will keep giving money. Even when given away for 'free' (gmail) you're being scammed into giving up your data and/or being force-fed ads (youtube)
1984 is not behind us, it's right here

>>105559574
the eu should mandate that in here the defaults are to save in open formats

>>105559756
In Munich. They ditched their distribution LiMux in 2017 after majorities in the city council changed and Microsoft offered hefty bribes to get subsidies for moving their German main offices to Munich. So the taxpayers got screwed over twice. In 2020, majorities changed again, with the city taking another U-turn towards Linux adoption.

>>105559885
I don't think a literal who distribution that's still in beta is a great candidate as the base for a government IT system. OpenSUSE is the obvious choice because out of the main mature distros it's the one with most of the development and funding in Europe.

>>105559991
For at least the past decade, MS Office gave you a pop up upon first launch, asking to choose between OOXML and ODF. I'm willing to bet large amounts of money that Microsoft didn't do this out of consideration, but because of some sort of law.

In any case, my main problem is that 99% of normies freak out and have no clue what to do with any office document that's not a DOCK ECKS. Upload forms or HR people simply won't accept ODT, coworkers / fellow students are gonna look at you like you're trying to send them viruses, etc.

But how will anon apply for jobs without using .docx resumes and cover letters? Just trust they come out of LibreOffice alright?

>>105560048
It's also the most broken and follows american laws. Has been taken over by Anglo trannies.

>>105560057
oh i know it was because of the eu.
but if i recall correctly microsoft still did some fud on the support of ooxml, so same shit as apple technically supporting microusb bc they gave you and adapter
nowadays the eu is more against bullshit reinterpretations of the rules, but them vonderleyen and other higher out are sellouts to usa, so who knows

>>105559377
Red Hat hates LibreOffice and removed it from RHEL

>>105560097
they don't hate it, they just stopped maintaining it because libreoffice people do a good job at maintaining their own RPM repo.

i hate those java based programs, win native was always so much better, but we need to sacrifice speed, efficiency in the name of "compatibility"

it's basically DEI for software

>>105559821
True, but both opensuse and fedora are propably suitable. I would think opensuse would be easier to manage, so not sure why they didnt go with that.

>>105559302 (OP)
Try libreoffice if its not good enough use softmaker office.

>>105559756
>get 100+millions in bribes
>"""give up"""

I will never forgive TyrannyOffice for what they did to Libbie.

>>105559889
I need more than just the directory. Group policy is so important and I hate that we have to spend 10 billion dollars for Intune to MDM mac and Linux

>>105560115
The Document Foundation demanded from them to pay up or call their LibreOffice a Community Edition.
In order to get Enterprise support for LibreOffice, you have to pay the Document Foundation. If you want to provide official support yourself, you have to get certified by them.
RedHat offers Enterprise services, so having this Community Edition doesn't really get over well, it would put them into some weird limbo.

Basically, RedHat should have just offered a way to pay up.
They could have done a deal, but they decided not to, so LibreOffice got removed from RHEL and RHEL customers now get zero support.

I really like the Microsoft ecosystem for business. The stuff you can do between power platforms and office is really useful.

>>105559302 (OP)
get rekt, Excel is actually one of the few good MS programs
tried OpenCalc once, it's absolute garbage

>>105561398
or the equivalent from libre shit, I don't exactly remember the name
only that almost nothing worked and I was using baby level functions

>>105559302 (OP)
Run it in Wine, there is no other way. Calc has like 1%of Excels features.

>>105559830
Nothing from apple is useful outside of an apple device, therefore it will always be the worse choice from a management and above stand point, as end users may prefer apple whatevers, everything else between, that has to work with that apple thingy, has to be changed to work with that apple thing.

>>105559302 (OP)
learn how to write software (you should know vb [or even python] by now from any nontrivial excel use).
store the data somewhere. sqlite is spreadsheety enough in most cases.

>>105559302 (OP)
i think i need to use word if I ever have to get a new job but otherwise never. so I will just obtain a windows VM and pirate word then delete it after I get a job.

>>105562199
>Calc has like 1%of Excels features.
>nooooooo I just need my heckin ODBC driver support and shitty VB IDE in my spreadsheets
god I hate excel faggots so fucking much.

Doesn't help M$ caters to you low IQ monkeys either.

>>105560137
Windows doesnt offer windows programs like word and excel on their windows devices anymore for free. You have to pay for windows plus premium costs for word and excel, else you have to use their cloud versions. Thats the real reason to switch off excel and word, is eventually you will need to upgrade your system and all your documents will need to go in microsofts servers. LibreOffice is not great, but its good enough. Its sucks with fonts and indents (try to find a hanging indent setting) but it can in theory do everything and it does enough well, so its better for any body that wants independence from lockin

>>105560137
>just write a full blown office suite in C++ like M$ bro
>oh and you have to do it with less than a 1% (if even lower!) of what M$ funds and provides in engineering hours!

Maybe in the era of Rust you can be expected to stand up complex software that is reasonably reliable and feature rich, but when Libreoffice, et al, were stood up, that simply did not exist an option.

Java took over a lot of corp shit for a reason, not sure why people don't understand why C++ had all the faggy "OO" to begin with.

>>105562312
I'd just like some basics like defining my x-axis in the chart as a dynamic range defined in the name manager

>>105560081
Pretty sure I submitted my CV as a PDF.

>>105559731
use kubuntu at least KDE is the only non cancer Linux DE

>>105559302 (OP)
>How do I make a seamless transition?
Go to a doctor first, he'll prescribe you estrogen pills.
>I am used to Excel
Excel at what? Unless it's sports or some other physical activity, you'll still be able to excel at your field.

>>105562560
yeah who sends and editable cv?

>>105559302 (OP)
have been using libreoffice for quite a while and its just soooooo bad and unintuitive i hate it

>>105562892
agencies want to edit your resume so they can send them to clients without the clients being able to contact you directly :-)

>>105563135
i have never been requested an editable cv
what they request is to write your full cv in their application form

>>105559302 (OP)
>How do I make a seamless transition?
don't do it

>>105559302 (OP)
Libreoffice crashes all the time, it's trash

>>105559302 (OP)
Libreoffice fucking sucks, why can't these niggers make an actual good alternative instead of taking whatever open source jeet trash is available at the moment? They have """nation state resources""", right?

>>105559574
>He thinks he can just get Excel only
top kek.

I've been using LibreOffice and before that OOo for 20 years and never had major issues.
Meanwhile my company uses Office365 trash and it breaks their own Office templates all the time. Organizing files with multiple versions by date is a nightmare since the act of opening automatically saves them. Half the functionality from the desktop versions is in different places or just missing, but if I used that I'd lose out on collaborative editing. Microsoft's own Excel and PowerPoint templates are so shitty they break if you look at them the wrong way, even after them redoing these multiple times.

>>105561398
>>105561419
What did you have trouble with? I used to have to use LibreCalc for work, and I thought it was fine. I idn't have any broken functions like it sounds like you were having at least.

>>105559302 (OP)
>announces they're switching to Linux
>quietly reinstalls Windows a week later
Is the Danish government 16?

>>105564149
>quietly reinstalls Windows a week later
source?

>>105559487
It's not based anywhere.