What do you guys think of XLibre project? Basically, one of the developers who worked on Xorg for many many years decided to fork it because the RedHat/IBM wanted it to be gone so they were blocking all the patches. This lone dev took all the patches and created a new fork with it.
Personally, I'm not a fan of Wayland because it gets into my way every time I use it. Even simple stuff like text expansion and universal keyboard shortcuts is next to impossible.

Anyway, I don't understand why these bigtech corporations are trying to kill Xorg and why the talk about XLibre is banned on almost every tech platform (Plebbit, HN etc).
What's going on? Will you use XLibre?

>>105575746 (OP)
No I won't. This guy broke the xorg master multiple times because of his lack of testing.
The quality of his pull requests are really subpar. I will stick to whatever Ubuntu ships by default.

Xorg died over a decade ago.
As someone who once thought about contributing, I totally understand why. Only people that absolutely don't know how to program want it to be kept alive.
The only reason to use xorg is that if you use abandonware, like XFCE or some meme window mannager.

Sadly looking at some of the commits the guy in charge of XLibre doesn't seem to know C very well, like confusing the xor operator with exponentiation. Just looking at the new issues opened on the repo you can see stupid mistakes from his commits breaking things.

>>105575746 (OP)
>don't understand why these bigtech corporations are trying to kill Xorg
The maintainers of XOrg killed xorg because they made horrible mistakes, like allowing anyone to contribute directly. Now you have 20 ways to do something in xorg.
>3 "right ways" depending on what you want to do (each one has it's own bugs)
>one for every time nvidia contributed to the project (you need to look up wich graphic cards you are using to see what is the most apropriated)
>at less 3 for amd drivers
>only god knows how many for "all drivers" *wink wink*
It was a nightmare. Xorg quickly became the most bloated piece of software that everyone depended on, and very few people wanted to maintain it, and even fewer were actually good enough to do so.

Wayland was created in 2008, it was not something rushed and forced upon everyone else. The guys who made it knew what they were doing and refused to make the same mistakes that ruined X11. This pissed a lot of people off who expected a drop-in replacement with support for the hundreds of different ways of doing the same thing that xorg offered (but rarely worked).

>>105575746 (OP)
>Will you use XLibre?
Absolutely. This is the way forward. You can tell it is the right thing by the bot posting against it.

>>105575924
Sadly it seems like they wayland guys just created a bunch of new problems while doing that and made the process for getting stuff into the protocol insanely difficult.
Anytime you need a good laugh go look at the wayland-protocol merge requests, you'll see them arguing for years in some cases over some XML files.

DELETE THIS THREAD. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FORK OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. YOU ARE AN EVIL FASCHIST.

>>105575746 (OP)
The fact that its creation caused redhat and canonical shills to run around spreading FUD for the past week is pretty funny.

>>105575784
>This guy broke the xorg master multiple times because of his lack of testing
Breaks happen all the time. Especially in large projects. And it was on the master branch which not many people use and only for 16 jrs.
You're just repeating woke arguments.

>>105575809
>The only reason to use xorg is that if you use abandonware, like XFCE or some meme window mannager.
... or you use real-world programs to make money with. If all you do is rice your desktop and use your webbrowser to shitpost and you use terminal to edit files, Wayland is OK. For everything else, it's crap.

>>105575981
“Talking points” handed out by their handler. Everything is so fake these days.

>>105575981
I just hope this guy is a better project manager than a programmer, it would be nice to have a more community driven X11 implementation that could actually improve things.

>>105575809
>Xorg died over a decade ago.
why do you make being gay a disability?

>>105575809
>like XFCE or some meme window mannager.
Gnome user detected.

>>105575996
is this literally a woke political issue or just skeezy capitalism by large companies?

>>105575980
This is an incredible lie.
A video pop up from the kike guy claimed that GNOME was going to drop XORG because someone who forked xorg.
This is a joke, dropping Xorg was in the plans for half a decade.

Everything you don't need to support is a bunch of problems you will not have. It really is that simple.

>>105575981
XORG is notoriously complicated and easy to cause bugs because of how convoluted the software became over the years of mismanagement. I have no doubt the guy who forked xorg is a good developer, but xorg is an absolute piece of shit (literally, the main reason why they created wayland in the first place). I hope he does't lose his sanity...

>>105575994
people who all they do is rice and talk about it arent real linux users. customizing is one thing, but talking about it non stop is cancer.

>>105575746 (OP)
I hope he can make it a viable competitor. Either it surpasses wayland or forces the wayland side of the house to step up their game. It's barely started and the guy's first step is to do a fuckload of cleanups so that will take some time. But I remember that he had some more complicated patches sitting around in xorg upstream for newer features so hopefully he can circle back around to those things.

>>105575996
>“Talking points” handed out by their handler. Everything is so fake these days.
None of the releases were broken. Only the main branch git which is not used by any distro.
You, and the rest of the multi-colored hair people, are making a mountain out of a molehill.

>>105576101
Even got an AI reply. This whole thing is suspicious.

Based OpenMandriva: https://repology.org/project/xlibre/versions

>>105575994
>or you use real-world programs to make money with
Nigger, what?
The only software for Linux that makes money run without X. Like databases, web servers and low-level stuff.
What software are you talking about?
>>105576034
Yes. I use GNOME. Doesn't change the fact that XFCE is abandonware...
Like, that shit is not even light anymore (literally, one tab of your browser in resources difference). It just appeals to people who enjoy the nostalgia of using a very old operational system.
If you don't want to conform with GNOME, fie, but at least be man enough to rice a proper window manager, like hyprland.

>>105576113
???
>>105576130
It's in AUR too: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?O=0&K=xlibre
Based Vitali. But we'll see if it gets moved into main repo.
>>105576134
>The only software for Linux that makes money run without X. Like databases, web servers and low-level stuff.
You don't need a display server at all for that! So it's a moot point.
>What software are you talking about?
There's tons of graphics programs that either don't work with Wayland at all or they're spotty at best. Lots of commerical stuff is in that camp.
And anything running under Wine/Proton with Wayalnd and/or XWayland causes lag and it's flaky.
>>105576134
>Yes. I use GNOME
No shitl. Literally the WORST DE in existence. Just try looking at the code of some of the shit in there... it's written by literal brainlets.

>>105575746 (OP)
Total RedHat Death

>>105576134
>the fact that XFCE is abandonware

>XFCE still being updated
>default desktop for one of the most popular distros
>gnome user : "lulz xfce is abandonware"
stay in your own lane anon.

>>105576166
>Literally the WORST DE in existence.
That is probably KDE

>>105576283
I just checked.
XFCE 4.20 offers support for Wayland.
Well, I guess they are back in the game...

>>105576273
kek, based
fuck RH

>>105576381
>its only relevant if it supports muh wayland
boring.exe has launched successfully

>>105576328
>That is probably KDE
Maybe. I don't use KDE myself but from what I've seen they're not as user-hostile as GNOME.
Also, GNOME's executive director is a literal femoid who thinks magick is real and that her shaman rituals can heal.

>>105576428
wowza

>>105575784
why are you lying?

>>105576428
First of all.
The shaman thing was just a prank.
Second, if you think that the GNOME foundation is a cunt, you really don't want to deal with anything related to KDE.
As long as you don't name the techkike on GNOME forums, you can complain as much as your heart desires about GNOME, GTK, their core apps and whatever bothers you. Worst case, you will get a custom ebussy "sounds like a you problem" post.
But if you show any kind of disapproval to KDE, you are going to get banned for life. I am not joking, GNOME Foundation, which sometimes does look like a fucking circus, is a utopia close to KDE.

>>105576428
>from what I've seen they're not as user-hostile as GNOME
Illusion and propaganda. I honestly suspect they share the same directive or something. Both keep adding strange UIs and softwares around the same time. Like I was hitting several issues in modern Gnome and XFCE, thought KDE would be different, and learned they implemented the same thing. It’s super weird.

>>105576491
They left out her real resume... have a laugh.
These are the people directing GNOME.
It's a shithow.

>>105576537
>llusion and propaganda.
How many extensions do you use to make that POS usable? And how often do they break?
GNOME is the laggiest DE of them all. Even KDE feels snappier.

>>105576518
>The shaman thing was just a prank.
WTF? It's literally on her own website. Are you retarded or just a bot?

>>105576549
>GNOME is the laggiest DE of them all.
What?
You are just making shit up...

>>105576538
We are in hell, aren’t we? Or some kind of purgatory?

>>105576566
A prank very well elaborated. You would not understand :^)

>>105576566
Try using a real DE for a day and then you will notice how everything slower on GNOME.
https://felipec.wordpress.com/2024/03/18/stupid-gnome-developers/

>>105575784
>NO ONE EVER DOES BREAKS BEFORE
Meanwhile Wayland's master branch breaks literally every week in testing.
>Y do it in prod then??
Because Red Hat, in its quest to smother X11, doesn't have a development branch for Xorg.

S-sisters... This fork is actually picking up steam. How do we subvert it??

>>105576608
Just ban everyone from all platforms because they are MAGA nazis.

>>105576608
everyone who wants xorg to get back from the death does't know how to code.

>>105575809
>>105576134
>>105576381
>Xorg died over a decade ago.
Yet most of my systems still use it, curious!

Banning all development on the project isn't the same as it "dying", that's just you trying to enact hitler-like control over a project you declared you unilaterally own without anybody's consent.

Reminder this is exactly how X11 got formed from Xfree86. Now Xlibre is being formed from X11 for the exact same reason.

>Yes I like Gnome
Oh I see, you're a blind faggot.

>>105576608
Make more youtube videos calling the guy a Nazi, I saw a couple earlier.
>>105576618
This is a cool lie we can tell ourselves over our cope dilators. Can we get Linus Tech Tips to start spreading it? How do we start banning the 1600 commits that have been made to the project? Do we call the other 500 contributors nazis who can't code, too?

Maybe we can get CNN to run a "The Right Can't Code" hitpiece.

>>105576618
>everyone who wants xorg to get back from the death does't know how to code.
you fucking idiot, the legacy systems admins and network engineers who need X for cloud computing were the ones developing linux before you started trying to use it for your gay video games you little faggot.

>>105575784
>229 Rubies was deposited into your account by RedHat Inc

>>105576044
>This is an incredible lie.
It's literaly what has happened.
The best one is spreading lies about this guy being an alt-right nazi who cant code when he made tons of MRs to xorg, arguably he was the only one.

>>105576667
>the legacy systems admins and network engineers who need X for cloud computing were the ones developing linux before you started trying to use it for your gay video games you little faggot.
I am literally one of those people, and both systemd and wayland are there to improve our lives. I was there when LiLo was replaced by GRUB and the losers who can't move forward spammed IRC channels right and left with their bullshit.
>>105576635
Don't lie.
Contribution to xorg was never banned. One developer who schizoed out and was openly hostile to the project was KICKED OUT after he decided to weaponise a fork against the main project to promote himself.

>This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies.
Why can't he just make the project apolitically instead of having to put a fuckhuge schizo rant in the README? This is going to turn people off of the project.

>>105576791
I agree the README is a mistake. He should have just said the fork was necessary due to upstream not accepting his changes.

>>105576791
The dude has a history of acting nuts on the mailing lists. They say there is a fine line between genius and crazy. I'm looking forward to his first release to see which one we're dealing with.

>>105576806
Because he’s a plant. The whole drama is manufactured to kill X11 for good.

>>105576791
At least he is honest about what happened in GitLab. Unfortunately, most people here did not even read his README and come to conclusions based on feelings.

>>105576791
>This is going to turn people off of the project.
Indeed, that is the purpose: Filtering the trannies.

>>105576818
Can you share an example?

>>105576837
He just was, OK?

>>105576829
I would prefer the project that intends to continue something that has obvious uses and could easily scoop up support to fuck over the people trying to kill X11 not intentionally make itself look radioactive, no matter what purpose it serves.
"Big Tech" would actually be a pretty good ally to have in his court for continuing old software.

>>105576825
So long as he keeps the project alive for the next 20 years, I'm fine with it. Developers should be assholes, just look at Linux Torvaldo

>>105576818
It's like the guy who was the main contributor for mpv and was kicked because of the things he kept saying to other people (like, literally saying he is going to kill himself) and his hate for gnome (he broke mpv for gnome on purpose because, at the time, gnome was the only DE with full support for Wayland).
It's really hard to deal with those kinds of people, and you are better off kicking them out after 3 strikes.

>>105576865
>he broke mpv for gnome on purpose
Anyone else is sad they are not cool as this guy?

>>105576837
The example that gets talked about is when he claimed the COVID-19 vaccine created a new "humanoid race". Unfortunately, I only found Torvalds reply with a quick search.
https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2106.1/04596.html

>>105576853
Linus is incredibly chill. Yeah, he is opinionated about a lot of things, but he never enforces his own things over others or over Linux himself.
Even his heated e-mail discussions are very calm and not aggressive at all.

Stallman, on the other hand, acts like a children when he doesn't get what he wants.

>>105576428
>Maybe. I don't use KDE myself but from what I've seen they're not as user-hostile as GNOME.
No they just hide it better.

>>105576879
pretty sure he actually became an hero.
He deleted his github account after claiming he was going to fork mpv and some other faggot hijacked his username.

Turns out that using female anime profile pictures in your github is a very strong sign of mental issues...

>>105576881
Linus was larping as a medical biochemist. This is disappointing. I don’t like antivax nonsense too, but I don’t feel the need to pretend I know as much as a doctor in online arguments.

>>105575746 (OP)
pointless luddite chud project nobody will adopt

>>105576928
tell that to the artix dev

>>105576865
From the discussions I have read that lead up to the fork, he doesn't seem like he's treating other's badly. It feels like a project management failure where Xorg want to keep master stable while he wants to change things at break-neck speed. Both sides could have used a mediator to figure out how to let him develop without being disruptive.

>>105575746 (OP)
im hoping for the best, ive been waiting for wayland to become usable for me for a very long time and i feel like it never will be. x11 just werks

>>105575746 (OP)
Reminder that they lied to us all this time. Almost 20 years of reinventing the wheel. Fucking traitors.

Little to no hope, their issue tracker and PRs are just a memefest already. If KeithP would come back or BjornS would do what he implied in "A neighbourly solution to .." (lift IPC system from Arcan as new driver ABI and advanced client features like HDR) maybe. The Xorg server is only one part in control - x11/xcb/mesa and strong clients also needs to be kept in on any meaningful change. Fat chance of that.

>>105576957
Yes. The management of xorg was always a failure. They allowed too many merges, and the community would never tolerate the removal of "duplicated features".
I keep saying that xorg is extremely bloated, but people don't understand this. Is not just a /g/ insult. The codebase is trash. Years of companies doing whatever they wanted as long it compiled made xorg a nightmare.
Now they want to reduce the people working on xorg to "just solve bugs" because it's really hard to keep all this bloat from breaking every time someone ask for a merge with over 100 commits like it's nothing.
Xorg is really complex. It takes time and manpower to keep it working, and this time and manpower could be better used in wayland, which will inevitably replace xorg.

>>105576992
25 year old GNOMER loudmouth of a fetus that guy. Very insight, much impressed.

>>105576952
>a distro that's fine on its own vs a display server that needs to be adopted by distros and DEs to have a point

>>105575746 (OP)
What alternative fucking universe are you living in where there was some grand corporate conspiracy to kill a useable Linux desktop and not the literal Xorg devs themselves saying “fuck this pile of shit” before writing something they actually wanted to maintain?
>>105576992
Man, this fucking SHOOK you troglodytes huh? Just grab the code and host it on your own server lmao. If you make something better than Wayland then distros will start shipping it. Don’t cry about Red Hat because of your own incompetency.

PROTIP: Don’t sperg out about culture war bullshit like DEI and “woke” for zero reason like an autistic freak and people might actually want to interact with you.

>>105577036
>A distro that recognizes the benefit of an updated xorg/xserver vs a corporation that is actively trying to ruin everything good in the world

>>105575746 (OP)
>talk about XLibre is banned on almost every tech platform (Plebbit, HN etc).
This is a lie you made up to act like a victim

>>105577076
>IT'S DA TROOOOONS

>Yid defense squad deploys the instant something happens
>"Moderate" yid squad follows up for le centrist views
Total glownigger death

>>Yid defense squad deploys the instant something happens
>>"Moderate" yid squad follows up for le centrist views
>Total glownigger death

>>105576852
True. I didn't insert my opinion, I was just predicting his intentions. I think X11 (the protocol) and XOrg (the implementation) should be superseded by a **better** protocol. That's the failure of Wayland, and the failure of anything trying to replace or supersede an old veteran that proved his reliability, even if not perfect. If not, it is better to just keep the veteran, with all his imperfections and ugliness until we are forced to replace him.

Wayland after 17 years, is still less reliable than X11. I'm not an X11 fan-girl, but like a lot of things in life, it is the only decent choice available.

Laslo Hunhold the first chair of suckless.org e.V. gave his thoughts on a Wayland thread on the Suckless 'dev' mailling list:

>Anyway, to sum it up: Probably nobody here is really a fan of X, but it's what we have. Wayland is an underwhelming mess and they really dropped the ball here. The mix of (often incompatible and competing) extensions that are made up and forced upon us (while leading to more and more userspace-applications relying on them and unexpectedly breaking in vanilla Wayland compositors that don't want to be tainted with the garden-variety of extensions) is just horrible. I used to have enthusiasm about Wayland, but now this feeling has completely been replaced with pity. They really dropped the ball on this one and I will not waste any more time with it.

You can find the thread here: https://lists.suckless.org/dev/2108/index.html#msg34457

It will be better if people started pressuring Wayland devs into improving their protocol, or pressuring the Linux foundation and its equivalents of OSS foundations that only focus on their fag-agendas, to produce better software, thus creating a better windowing system. Instead they're brainwashed to hate on old projects that delivered more than expected and pushed the industry forward before they were even born. This is a symptom of a larger disease, which is not our topic.

>>105577052
>Just grab the code and host it on your own server lmao. If you make something better than Wayland then distros will start shipping it.
The beauty of open source right here and maybe it was about time it happened (although on Microsoft's servers)? It would be interesting if this guy transformed it into something new that supplants the original. Slim chance, I know, but I would find it extremely funny.

>NOOO YOU CANT SAY DEI!!!

>>105577126
>Wayland after 17 years, is still less reliable than X11. I'm not an X11 fan-girl, but like a lot of things in life, it is the only decent choice available.
Obviously, there's not much other reason for me to be frustrated with the fact that people would be turned off the project. I want Wayland to be actually good with less random breakage and/or I want X11 to handle new things better.

>>105577126
As an i3 user, I tried Sway and there were two things that made me go back to X11 pretty much right away. My keyboard layout was not available by default and oneko won't work. I understand the pain of the programmers that have to deal with old crud, but as an end-user I have seen no feature that Wayland would give me that would motivate me to implement support for my keyboard layout and oneko (because no one else is gonna waste time on making oneko work in Sway, lol) in Sway to be able to make the switch.

>>105577151
As it is now, none of that will happen any time soon. X11 is not actively developed and wayland is still more about (corporate) philosophy instead functionality. But I don't care, xfce still works.

>>105577209
>X11 is not actively developed
>in a thread about X11 being actively developed after many years of intentional mothballing?
lol I bet you are German.

>>105577151
Wayland is designed not to work. The whole purpose of its shit is it create incompatibilities.

>>105577224
It will take years before this fork becomes usable. And I'm not German.

>>105576881
Yet again, "conspiracy theorist" failing for the obvious bait. The conspirators always give a way for their resistors to resist, making the resistance in favor of the conspirators. It can be theoretical, or physical, but they always give the mouse an escape towards a cage.

>>105577052
>zero reason
k

>>105576130
>>105576166
>Based OpenMandriva
>It's in AUR too
it's also packaged by Artix: https://packages.artixlinux.org/packages/galaxy-goblins/x86_64/xlibre-server/
I'm gonna give it a try either later this night or tomorrow since that's already the distro I'm using
>>105575809
>abandonware, like XFCE
you're brown

>>105577299
It's usable right now. Probably just some more bug fixes is in the works before the first release later this month.

>>105577196
In wayland every compositor does what the hell it wants, making a protocol useless. And Sway is mainly led by Drew, he's an interesting guy, to say at least.

>oneko
lol, I didn't know about this, quite funny and cute, something wayland trannies will never understand.

>>105576881
Enrico was right though

>>105577299
You are Dutch, then? Same fucking difference when it comes to thought processing. Still both cuckolded communists.

>>105575746 (OP)
>https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11

>>105577851
That might have been the post that motivated Enrico to begin Xlibre.
https://www.freelists.org/archive/xlibre/02-2025

>>105577851
he should try killing himself instead, would be more useful

>>105576791
>This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech
Ironic because BigTech® companies are probably the most interesting in keeping X11 functional. It's the same crap about how some companies still use Windows XP or 7 just because it would be too expensive to switch, yet they still pay Microsoft for some special extended support and patches.

Is gdm still the only real wayland display manager?

>>105575809
The BSDfags will keep it alive. They actually never liked Wayland because it is too Linux-centric for them and it actually broke a lot of the classic UNIX guidelines.

>>105578067
Xenocara is not X. Xlibre as a fork has no meaning if you would be able to run xenocara on Linux.

>>105577851
pure evil

>>105578088
Would that be possible?

>>105578163
yes

>>105578168
If you want to go the bsd way you make jails but for bsd software. But at that point you could just use BSD and not only Xenocara.

If you are honest Linux wouldn't be very useable without WINE. It's just wine but for bad.

>>105576791
It's not political, he is stating that the project is apolitical, how is that a "schizo rant"?
It would be political if it was like "Xlibre will be free of trannies" but it's not

>>105575784
>
red hat must be desperate

>>105578211
People can tell when you’re pretending to be ignorant.

>>105578211
Yeah, yeah, it's totally utterly meaningless and adding a big block about DEI in your fork's README before the actual scope is definitely only political one way and not the other.

>>105578088

Xenocara is literally just Xorg with a handful of small patches (< 2kloc), just diff the source ..

>>105578211
Trannies aren't political, right wing conservative qanon worshipping schizo shabbos goyim boomers made them political

>>105576618
I code for a desktop environment that still uses Xorg. I don't particularly care about Xorg vs Wayland. But I hate Redhat so I support this fork. Plus we won't need to rewrite our entire compositor system as a Wayland server.

>>105577851
Is this guy a major wayland and xorg contributor?

>>105578088
All the patches that are being made into Xenocara could be made into XLibre, you know.

>>105578382

they could but there's zero point to it. Xenocara looks the way it does so it can be part of the OpenBSD base installation. The >only< thing it does is an openBSD explicit whitelist of device nodes it is allowed to access and translate mouse/keyboard events from wscons.

>>105578411
But the OpenBSD devs wanted their patches to be merged into Xorg, but the Xorg devs were ignoring everything related to it thus they created the Xenocata project. If the XLibre guy actually acepts patches from everyone, the OpenBSD devs will side with him, and not for ideological reasons, but for practical ones.
Also you are forgetting Xorg was a UNIX project, not a Linux one, thing that Wayland fags usually forget.

>>105578363
No it's some blog by a literal who

>>105576881
You may think he is crazy but it's still less crazy than gender ideology and DEI cult.

Why don't the Xorg devs just officially drop the project if they don't want to develop it anymore? Why do all this passive aggressive stuff?

>>105578486
because they unironically need it for wayland to even work. that's the only reason why they haven't killed xorg yet. wayland wouldn't be able to run even 10% of Linux programs without xwayland

>>105578486
>Why do all this passive aggressive stuff?
The point is control. Whether wayland is an improvement is secondary to the fact that it's their project and no one can call them out as larpers, like when they (still) claim to be _the_ Xorg devs.
>>105578505
>wayland wouldn't be able to run even 10% of Linux programs without xwayland
It's not that bad, but desktop linux would be unusable on pure wayland simply because steam and wine wouldn't run.

>>105578486
It's the illusion of choice. They keep "maintaining" Xorg while at the same time doing everything in their power to sabotage it, thus people could switch to their new shiny toy, Wayland.

>>105578505
Still, why be passive aggressive about it? Why not just say that it only exists as a legacy API for backwards compatibility purposes?

>>105578517
But why though? Why do the larping at all? And if its for control why not just re-license the code base to something they have more power over?

>>105578486
Because they are all troons or beta males. All they operate on is passive aggression and resentment. It's like some revenge of nerds type chip on their shoulder, it's pathetic as fuck.

>>105578526
I don't know man, it's Red Hat, they're literally the Devil incarnate. I'm not really trying to find any logic in what they do to be honest

>>105578520
And its a major corporation run by professionals doing this? One where people can freely see everything their doing and their code, which they're also free to use however they see fit due to their open source model?

This is the kind of thing I'd expect from some random one man project on github. Its not even that its bad, its just stupid. If someone like Microsoft were to do this sort of thing it would work, but here everyone can see what they're doing and easily side step it.

>>105578526
Because Wayland is not good enough, it's not even hardware agnostic. Outrage would be crazy if they deprecated it few years ago.

I wish them well but maintaining a project of this size is a huge endeavor, especially if they are going to work through the backlog of PRs and address some of the modern features that are overdue.

>>105578526
They're faggots about it because they can be. They spend all day in their retarded little echo chambers jerking each other off because they know if they expose themselves to a wider forum they'll be eviscerated for forcing broken garbage onto everyone. Not unlike some retards on this site really.

>>105575746 (OP)
cool logo

>>105575746 (OP)
Oh, wow. You made a logo using AI. Well done lil bro. You can stop now, your work is done. Or do you need to make some more commits to README.md to make it look like you are doing something?

>>105577151
>Obviously, there's not much other reason for me to be frustrated with the fact that people would be turned off the project.
just

>>105578452

They had plenty of patches merged into Xorg >when it made sense<. When it doesn't, i.e. OpenBSD specific, it goes into Xenocara. It's in core distribution and thus their Makefile.bsd, it depends heavily on how they build and package - no reason to upstream that, hence Xenocara.

https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20060710160000

The amount of hatred and opposition that some random fork by some literal who is about as natural as the astroturfed push for rust.

I hope he continues solely because whatever he's doing seems to trigger people and that's funny to me. Like, who the hell cares? Why do you care so much? why are you so mad? lol

>>105575746 (OP)
other than bug fixes and cleaning up, what major developments can we expect XLibre to actually drive X11 forward? any big features?

>>105579116
VRR with multiple monitors is probably on Enrico's list

>>105575746 (OP)
I like the idea, but I was looking over that guys commit logs and they were almost useless "bug fixes", fluff, and re-arranging crap. So I'm highly questioning this projects ability to go anywhere.

>>105579090
>The amount of hatred and opposition that some random fork by some literal who is about as natural as the astroturfed push for rust.
this

>>105575746 (OP)
Listen chud, Wayland is the future because... IT JUST IS OKAY??? So we need to kill X11 and it's forks because whenever there's a problem or feature missing in Wayland, you bigots just go back to X11 because it's "good enough" instead of helping Wayland development

>>105575746 (OP)
Would be cool to see if some distros ship with it as soon as it's viable. AntiX maybe?
>>105575784
Now that no one patches his code afterwards he will have to do it himself or it's going nowhere.
I think he will manage. Guy is a workhorse like the hyprland dev.

>>105579090
i have yet to read anything about this anywhere else but 4chan.
he got silently banned last week from gitlab and opened his fork to a few hundred scyophants, the end.

>>105579090
lol take a break from /g/
No one cares about any of this manufactured drama outside of schizos

>>105577102
>>105579090
It's funny how these sock puppets come out of the woodwork on every last damn shithole and comment section on the Internet as soon as something that goes against their (((Agenda))) is posted. Seen it here, seen it on Slashdot, seen it way back when on fucking Usenet. Always a bunch of literally whos popping up using the same old consensus cracking tactics and fake appeals to reason and common sense that should really be common knowledge by now.

>Aren't we all agreed that Wayland / Systemd / whatever other crap we want to shove down your throats is better for all concerned?
>Don't you see that that this legacy crap is impossible to maintain?
>Not everyone is a wild haired nerd like you and uses obscure old software, gotta think of the common man's user experience!
>You just don't see the big picture, goy!
>Do your own fork, and maintain it goy! NOOOO!!! NOT LIKE THAT!!!!
>Just look at their code, they're a bunch of fuckups!
>Just look at their ML posts, they're a bunch of contrarian trolls!

On here you can spot them quite easily. These niggers don't call whoever they are trying to smear a nigger.

>>105575746 (OP)
it's too early to say. you'll have to wait a few weeks or months to see if they've made any improvements or if they just removed old code and did some minor refactoring. no i did not look at the commits. hopefully it is successful because all the good software worth using is on X11

>>105579925
>Do your own fork, and maintain it !
do you think this is the first time x11 has been forked?
come back in a few years and we'll see how alive this new fotm fork is.

>>105576044
>xorg is an absolute piece of shit
Yet I've used it without issue for decades.

>>105580243
>used it without issue for decades.
lol, that's a blatant lie if i've heard one.
it's like windows users who are so acclimated to all its issues that they can't imagine anything different.

>>105580268
Windows actually has problems though. I've never had anything die, or anything like that. I honestly can't think of an issue I've had.

>>105576752
systemd is fine, gayland is trash that simply doesn't work and will never touch my systems

>try wayland
>install piece of software
>software doesn't work
>check if it's a known issue
>it's because of wayland
>change back to X or Windows
story of my life

>>105575746 (OP)
Seems to me like a retarded thing to do. Shit's probably gonna fall into obscurity in a couple of months. Normal competent people won't want to associate with a project that directly tries to pander to culture war retards. /g/ turbonerds are virtually useless for the long term viability of a project despite all the talk they do.

all I wanted was a drop down terminal that functioned the same as it does on X.

>>105575746 (OP)
>I don't understand why these bigtech corporations are trying to kill Xorg and why the talk about XLibre is banned on almost every tech platform (Plebbit, HN etc).
Neither of these statements are true. What kind of fake outrage are you trying to build here, pussytits?

>>105580592
Pretending to be against the big dog makes them feel good. Even though this is not something anyone gives a fuck about.

>>105580519
> systemd is fine
Millions of lines of C-Code for something that can be done with a bunch of simple shell scripts.
Very obvious Microsoft trojan.

>>105576898
That's simply not true about either of them.

>>105579925
>It's funny how these sock puppets come out of the woodwork on every last damn shithole and comment section on the Internet as soon as something that goes against their (((Agenda))) is posted.
Curious, that sounds exactly like your post. I bet you feel really clever about accusing others of doing what you're doing.

>>105580666
>failed gaslighting attempt

>>105575746 (OP)
It's a good concept, but the guy behind it is kind of a retard. But both Torvalds and Stallman are massive retards, too, so who fucking knows? I don't have high hopes, but I wish this guy good luck.

Intense cope thread
And I thought this board can never again be entertaining since the rise of /general/ malaise

>>105577517
and we found the indian nigger

>>105579080
>fixing the "security issues" without relying on logind/seat management is just OpenBSD specific changes and no one else should need it.
wew. I love this fork just for the fact that it has exposed so many shills and know-nothing faggots on this board over the last week.

>>105579116
probably all the stuff that had been held from X, Like the deepcolor extension and multimonitor handling (which is currently kinda retarded)

>>105579116
Lots of things that were previously only part of private patch sets being maintained by companies like the one I work at. Basically, everything they refused to merge into Xorg over the last 10 years. All of which just happen to be the main selling points of Wayland compared to Xorg. Stuff like VRR, HDR, better security (access to hardware without root/setuid/shit like logind). In addition to that: Large portions of the code base can be purged since there is no longer a reason to support 30+ year old hardware no one is using on modern Linux/UNIX. A legacy branch can be kept around for those that really need all that stuff. The rest of us can enjoy the reduced compile times and small bins.

On top of all that we can finally clean up a lot of hacky code that has only been kept around to support the above systems and various drivers no longer in use. Also despite what these faggots keep saying about hardware vendors like Nvidia I know for a fact they'll have a great interest in this fork (or another one) since Red Hat and friends has refused to work with them over the past 10 years. They kept denying them the ability to add stuff like HDR to Xorg and tried to bully them into going Wayland only. But Nvidia basically told them to fuck off and refused. Now that there is a viable fork that's willing to play nice I expect a lot of hardware vendors will jump on board in time. In fact, that's probably the main reason all this shit flinging, propaganda and lies are being spread about this guy.

They can cry all they want. The repo has already attracted tons of people that were pissed off and fed up with the wayland faggots. The future looks bright. There were so many of us being forced to maintain our own patch sets. It'll be nice to finally not have their burden.

>>105575746 (OP)
Too late

Has anyone compiled a list of the lies they've been spreading over the last week yet? So far I remember
>He's an anti-vaxxor and Linus smacked him down
He posted in an existing thread on the LKML that mRNA technology was unproven and Linus replied with some state sanctioned propaganda about it
>He's an alt-right troll that constantly rants about politics on mailing lists
He replied to some political threads on various dev mailing lists where other people were already ranting and said he disagreed. Why are such threads allowed at all?
>He spammed too many changes and broke MASTER
The entire point of MASTER is to break it and they refuse to accept big changes
>He can't code
Maintained Linux kernel code for years. Openly admits when he's wrong. Defers to most experienced developers when he is
>His changes amount to nothing but moving random code around
The planned changes require a refactor of a lot of code
>Xorg can't change because legacy systems will break
Legacy systems don't run MASTER. Having multiple trees is kind of the point of branches in the first place
>This is not being censored
Took days for most major tech news blogs/websites to report on it. When they did they spread the above lies. All his social media accounts/posts have been downvoted into oblivion when possible. Sock puppets follow him around and post to years old threads to call him a bigot/liar/nocoder. Other places have outright banned him
>He ranted about politics in the README
README contains a small rant about the fact that he's fed up with politics

Did I miss any?

>>105581026
Oh I forgot
>He's an undercover big tech Government agent that is attempting to associate the project with MAGA
I don't even know what this means. But it seems like a non-issue considering anyone can make another fork at any time and I'm pretty sure MAGA boomers don't even know what Xorg is in the first place.

But I guess if you aren't all-in on the progressive politics everyone employed in the tech sector seems to be promoting these days you're Trump/Nazi/Hitler/whatever.

For people that seem so anti-political discussion they sure love posting about _their_ politics 24/7. The trust is they want to be able to post about their politics all day with no push back. Simply saying "I disagree" is now painted as some political statement and you're grouped in with their enemies whenever you call them retarded.

I've seen this same tactic employed all over the internet in the last decade. Where every last board/thread/website is filled with faggots promoting all sorts of stupid shit and the moment anyone speaks out to say this is all retarded their shamed, banned and accused of "ruining the comfy".

What's happened to the internet lately is really sad. There was always "political" discussion happening everywhere back in the day. Even before the Occupy movement. When this place first opened there was always some anon ranting about George Bush Jr. and the Iraq war on /b/ and later Obama being a fucking nigger tyrant. /g/ was filled with people angry about China's Great Firewall and the surveillance state getting stronger everyday. Why did we let these faggots gain mod positions everywhere? THEY are what ruined the internet not regular users venting their frustrations about the state.

>>105581026
>>105581105
They are literal paid shills that alternate between:
1. It's already over; don't bother trying
2. You're just crazy if you think there is something wrong
3. Everyone that resists is controlled opposition
May God curse the the Jew, but much more so curse the depraved trash that sell their souls to the Jew.
They only win if you give up.

>>105581026
Just make a summary with links (archived) and screenshots as proof.
Don’t wanna do it? Enjoy wayland then.

>>105581182
Contributing code seems like a more useful use of my time. I've had a patch to fix refresh rates on multiple monitor and HDR for years. I can't share it due to stupid laws. But I can help with the on-going effort to implement it in this fork and pretend like I never read the source code we've been using for the last 8 years.

I'm waiting on some of the refactoring to stabilize before I do much of anything else. I just wish he'd move off github and host it somewhere else. We moved all our shit off there about a week after Microsoft bought them out.

I've been helping maintain another patch set for a few years now. We're preparing to see if our changes will be accepted into this fork. We'd love for that to happen so we didn't have to continue maintaining what amounts to a fork ourselves. There are other things we need to do that and maintaining the patch set is a big time sink every time they issue a new Xorg release.

>>105581235
>I can't share it due to stupid laws.
Fuck the laws IP is bullshit.

>>105581423
I agree. But if I dump it as-is there are only like 10 people in the world on the list that could have done it. I'll be one of the prime three suspects and I don't fancy losing my day job just to share this. The actual code is pretty shit anyway. Since it was made by Nvidia and doesn't function correctly with other graphics cards at the moment. It needs a little work to make it work correctly with AMD/Intel/Power9 stuff. So it's best used as an example to make something better instead of dumping it as-is. I'd only get a target painted on my back because the moment I shared it a bunch of people that hate this fork would start trying to dox me and have me thrown in prison for the crime of sharing some code.

I probably don't even need to share this illegally anyway. Nvidia guys have been chomping at the bit to contribute this stuff back for years. The only reason they haven't is because the higher ups in their company have agreements with IBM not to fork Xorg off themselves. At least not for the public. They started maintaining their own private fork for a lot of clients years ago. All our UNIX workstations have been on it since 2018. Since we needed the HDR and multiple refresh rate support and other stuff for our day-to-day work. When they started shilling HDR upgrades for normalfags we had to churn out a lot of "re-mastered" movies and videos for them to buy. All of that work was being done on UNIX workstations running Nvidia GPUs. All those workstations have multiple reference monitors to get the colors right for consumer sets along with old CRTs hooked up because a lot of the content was originally mastered on those or is in 4:3.

>>105580951
>wew. I love this fork just for the fact that it has exposed so many shills and know-nothing faggots on this board over the last week.
They're just tourists. The spin doctors in charge send them wherever they feel wrongthink must be disagreed with vocally.

>>105582203
>>105580951
Security is a non-issue on personal computer, tourist. You wanted security theatre that still gets pwned by 50 line keyloggers? Fine, Wayland was invented for this.

>>105582203
No they're not "just tourists". This board has been quickly going down hill since the first exodus when everyone fucked off to better places. Which were only allowed to exist for about 4 years before they were taken down off the web. All one has to do is look at the catalog to see the decline. We used to discuss things here like CPU bugs, programming languages with shit design and whatever evil thing the tech companies were doing this week that made major news. Now you get:
>A bunch of Apple shill threads
>mods posting smug dead man with ass cancer trying to bait the "freetards"
>Tech workers general
>Sign up for my private tracker!
>Which phone should I buy and why should it be Apple's?
>Let me tell you why Rust is better than C for the 10th time today. I totally not getting paid to post this
etc etc etc.

The funniest thing I've seen on this board since the exodus was the constant bragging from "tech workers" claiming they owned bidets. Then when google ripped them out of their corporate offices and announced it through MSM all those same fags came back here to cry about how it was the end of the world. Turns out they didn't own bidets in their own homes. Since 99% of them are rentfags living in overpriced apartments that couldn't install one anyway without their landlord kicking them out. So they only place they could enjoy having their ass cleaned with water was at their day jobs with their offices designed to mimic a children's playground.

Meanwhile, I own a toilet with both a heated seat and an ass water jet with multiple settings and temperatures. Since they hardly cost anything at all and installing your own toilet is very easy. Provided you actually own your own property and home of course.

>>105582245
I enjoy how they constantly ramble about wayland being secure. But they're running millions of lines of code as root. Produced by people that mark everything WONTFIX. Want root? Just use username 0day. Can't make this shit up.

>>105581105
>But I guess if you aren't all-in on the progressive politics everyone employed in the tech sector seems to be promoting these days you're Trump/Nazi/Hitler/whatever.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. There's political officers and code of conduct mongers all over the fucking place. And boy do they fucking swarm you if you disagree with any aspect of their lousy package deal - be that systemd, wayland or covering everything in fucking fag flags. They do that for a reason. They need to nip any and all opposition in the bud. Because they are a bunch of limp wristed, noodle armed faggots that will get fucking steamrolled if any sort of opposition beyond the bitching-about-the-politburo-in-hushed-voices level ever is allowed to develop. They are weak and they know it. Hence them being so rabid.

>>105582268
Wow, X11 accepts connections from ANYWHERE? Haha, good thing that my home has a router with a firewall and I need to go out of my way to port forward.

>>105582275
I think people knowing how to code (as in machine code, C and other things closer to metal) terrifies them. That skill combined with following the old "Hacker Ethics" is very bad for them. Since such people can get shit done and will always leak stuff or sabotage things when given access to them. Most of them don't even need to be given access. If they're on the same corporate network as anything sensitive they'll try to find a way in just for fun. Such people feel personally offended if you're pushing something anti-end user. Like telemetry and logging people's personal data for evil uses. So they're inclined to rage against the machine using their skills and attempt to make non-tech people aware of what's happening through various methods.

It used to be that if you went to centers for higher learning to learn /tech/ shit they'd teach you actual useful skills and theory. Now they just charge people insane amounts of money to learn how to follow instructions. Even the modern webdevs can't handle writing HTML and javascript directly. They can only click on boxes and use so-called "IDEs" that shit out code they barely understand that's all a layer of bullshit on top of other layers of bullshits (so-called "frameworks"). Last week I was consulted by someone looking to update their popular website and add new features. Their "lead developer" admitted to me that he doesn't understand javascript and barely understands HTML. He doesn't know how to read the old php code that's been running the place for years either nor can he manually write SQL to interact with the mySQL database they're still using. Yet he's quick to call it all shit and suggest it all be replaced with some fag-of-the-month "solution" that's just going to piss off all the users. He's even suggesting that they stop hosting the forum on their own servers and outsource it to some company "in the cloud" that's going to charge them thousands of dollars a year and piss off the user base.

>>105582286
You have no idea how it works. It can route things over local UNIX sockets or a network. 99% of people using it are running it configured not to talk to the network at all. The network transparency actually works great too if you want that and you can restrict what it talks to like anything else. It isn't a "dead idea no one uses anymore"

No. Sending encoded videos/images over the network isn't a better solution either.

These idiots always reinvent the same things we've had for decades badly. Take dbus for example. They could have easily done IPC over sockets and it would have worked fine, been secure and easy to understand. But no. We need this daemon running at all times that can easily be fooled into giving anyone root access. So much for security.

Getting back to desktop over the network: It's amazing and I love it. I've been using A12 protocol for years now. I like sharing my applications between multiple workstations and my home server. Since I'm not a fucking retard and I know how to configure pf I don't have to worry about anyone outside of my network snooping upon them. But even if they did they wouldn't get much of value. Since if they were already within my LAN I have much bigger problems.

But keep deluding yourself and thinking that not having to ability to use scrot on your own desktop is somehow "secure" I guess.

>>105582369
I know exactly how it works. I program in nostdlib because for me, programming isn't a job.
When I looked at X11, I was confused why anybody would use it over virtual terminals, which work just fine. Some based programs like mpv even support VT perfectly meaning I don't need X11 at all to watch anime.

>>105582387
You're the idiot in the #mpv channel that spergs out and goes on insane rants any time X11 is mentioned aren't you?

>>105582268
>This board has been quickly going down hill since the first exodus when everyone fucked off to better places.
To have such a place in this day and age... And no, please don't even drop any hints. Keep these places pure. I may or may not find them one day, and maybe they may still be untouched by this rot by then.

>We used to discuss things here like CPU bugs, programming languages with shit design and whatever evil thing the tech companies were doing this week that made major news.
Nice. I didn't even look at /g/ back when this was a thing. Me, I came over from /pol/ looking whether there was snatches of industry gossip to be found. But it is exactly as you describe. Little of that to be had.

Still, I maintain my point about tourists. They may or may not shit this board up to the point of unusability but if they do indeed succeed in this endeavour, they'll move on and shit the next place. That's the nature of these migratory irds.

>Meanwhile, I own a toilet with both a heated seat and an ass water jet with multiple settings and temperatures. Since they hardly cost anything at all and installing your own toilet is very easy. Provided you actually own your own property and home of course.
Indeed. While I no longer work in tech (why yes, of course I got cancelled) I do share your advantage over the onions: I did install an ass water jet myself. Uber comfy, if I may say so.

>>105582403
>#mpv
Why would I be in a discord channel?

>>105582407
I got mine for free. They threw it in with the tub with a door on it that I bought for my Grandmother. She didn't want the free toilet so I decided to take it since I needed a new one anyway. It is pretty comfy.

That tub is very nice too. It has recirculating jets and a bunch of other features. It's basically a hot tub. It even pushes the water out quickly when you're ready to get out since you have to wait for the water level to go all the way to the bottom before you can open the door. She loves it. Best $5k I ever spent.

>>105582425
>discord

>>105582425
>being this retarded
man they aren't sending their best. The fact that your mind went directly to discord instead of IRC is telling.

>>105582442
Sorry I don't know any other app that uses # prefixes AND calls their chatrooms "channels".

>>105582447
nigger are you serious

>>105582447
>I'm a developer trust me
>doesn't know what IRC is

>>105582461
IRC is a shitstain that is luckily gone forever and not used by anyone but subhumans like you and whoever you were crying about.
I could design a better protocol in 5 minutes and it wouldn't leak IP addresses to everyone who thinks it's funny to DDoS.

>>105576917
If you get your GitHub jacked you fucking deserve it jfl
It's so easy to secure your account

>>105582473
>IRC is a shitstain that is luckily gone forever
Like X11, sysvinit and ALSA? Asking for a friend who sees right through talking points from the Freedesktop Consensus Cracking Manual.

>>105582473
Why are the children coming of age now like this? Why do they think the basic rules of networking are bad and afraid of "leaking their IP address"? Why are they too retarded to setup their own ZNC? Why do they suck so much big tech cock and why are they so easily impressed by IRC running on someone else's server in a web browser? Why do they feel the need to LARP as 1337 haxxorman when they can't even read basic HTML? Why do they use and shill for shit like Brave™ and Mullvad VPN Brower™ while paying for overpriced VPN services that "leak their IP" to law enforcement agencies? Why are they too stupid to buy a shitty VPS for $1 a month and setup their own proxy server? Why are they so retarded when they literally have the world's knowledge at their fingertips 24/7?

I really don't get it. I guess "no child left behind" really worked and the public schools managed to make all the children turbo retards after I escaped the prisoner in training system that is public education.

I guess we should all be thankful they're too stupid to access IRC servers and mailing lists. Must be why it's much quieter there and you can still actually find interesting people to have discussions with. I wonder how many other "developers" are so terrified of IRC and email that they can't access the places where the discussions about the direction of the various FOSS projects are happening. Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of retarded people on IRC these days. But at least the signal to noise ratio is much lower than the web.

I'm convinced we should just abandon what's left of HTTP protocol and let these retards have it. HTTP can be containment for stupid. We could make a new protocol for web pages along with a new browser engine to browse it with. Maybe even one with a proper scripting language. Since they're too dumb to install software without it being in an "app store" or "sideloading" it we'd probably be able to avoid the eternal September issue for many years to come

>>105582529
>X11
Yeah, I'd like to live in a world where I didn't need more than VT to run programs, considering Linux has like 64 of them, when did you last time need more than 50 GUIs?
>sysvinit
yeah it's trash
>ALSA
that's like saying that Linux is trash, not even gonna comment on that considering GUIniggers have no authority over anything that's directly in Linux tree and not just some slop library meant for GUItoddlers that are just tourists from Winblows.

>>105582555
>that's like saying that Linux is trash
Oh but it is. Along with the rest of the UNIX clones. The damage it has caused to the world is beyond anyone's ability to estimate. We made much better OSs in the 80s. Hell we had much better OSs in the 1960s. UNIX is a virus that spread far and wide.

But I'm sure someone that just discovered he can press F6 to access another getty wouldn't understand. Look at this 1337 haxxor everyone. He's posting here RIGHT NOW through his TUI built using ncurses. We should all bow down and thank him for taking time out of his day to educate us about TTYs. We should thank our lords and saviors Linus and Stallman for producing such highly educated and amazing developers.

>>105582639
And the mysterious better kernel that you forgot to name in your post is...?

>>105582555
>Yeah, I'd like to live in a world where I didn't need more than VT to run programs, considering Linux has like 64 of them, when did you last time need more than 50 GUIs?
Not sure what you mean by "GUIs", but I don't run that many graphical programs. Mostly CAD, DTP and the like if and when I need that. That aside,

$ ps auxw | grep xterm | wc -l
54
$

I'm pretty close to that 64 TTY limit on a slow Friday.

>yeah it's trash
Care to elaborate?

>considering GUIniggers have no authority over anything that's directly in Linux tree
So we should simply look the other way when they attempt to sneak patches into the Kernel that introduce dependencies on their GUI toddler slop? Which is something the systemd glowniggers have absolutely been doing.

>>105582639
>his TUI
Google Linux DRM and dilate, you worthless tranny.
>>105582656
>50+ terminals
GNU screen exists, retard.
Ironic how you imbeciles literally do it backwards than you are supposed to, this is why everything fucking sucks.

>>105582639
>I am le erudite who has read the Unix Haters Handbook
That bait is as old as time. Unlike Unix it hasn't stood the test of time. Much like these other, "better" OSes you are alluding to. Let me guess, now you want to ruin Unix for everyone because it could be done much more elegantly and better. Except that more elegant and better OS simply doesn't exist in a usable form. Kind of like the X11/Wayland thing, eh?

>>105582677
>Kind of like the X11/Wayland thing, eh?
VTs already exist, it just so happens that imbecile nocoders don't know how they work so we have pointless bloat like X11/Wayland when a GUI program that needs heavy rendering could take up separate VT for itself and you'd switch between VT's for heavy rendering programs the way you currently switch between windows in your gay tiling window manager.

>inb4 but how will I make my gay little reddit rice screenshots with 5 useless terminals on screen
you won't, you will actually be productive member of society.

>>105582665
>GNU screen
>not tmux
>he doesn't know what TUI means
This is a mind that has UNIX brain damage.

>>105582677
It's almost like everything else was killed because UNIX is a product of glow niggers, isn't it? It isn't my fault you faggots have never had access to anything but UNIX and NT. Some of us actually got to experience what proper computers and the internet was like before you dumb faggots were given access along with every other idiot that got a free trail of AOL.

If you need me to spoon feed you a list of kernels that are better than UNIX clones you frankly aren't worth having a conversation with. Your opinion is shit. Which is why no one should listen to your opinions about whatever shit you think is wrong with Linux itself.

Hint: A proper kernel for graphic workstations wouldn't have the need for something like X or Wayland in the first place. There wouldn't be 9,000 different standards for making graphic applications either. Since there would have been one true protocol in the kernel from the start. No one is impressed that you read a tutorial about multiplexers by the way.

>>105582708
>tmux
trannyware preferred by retards who don't know that VT can be switched to graphical mode (switch to VT8 to see what that looks like, nigger)

>>105582665
>GNU screen exists, retard.
Oh, I'm well aware of its existence, dear friend. It's a bit clumsy though. It has its uses but as a terminal multiplexer, X11 is much, much nicer.

>Ironic how you imbeciles literally do it backwards than you are supposed to, this is why everything fucking sucks.
Now, now, my potty mouthed friend, do not get your knickers in a twist about other people's terminal multiplexing habits, please. That's bad for your blood pressure. Pray tell, what is so backwards about these habits of mine? Please elaborate in long form, using big words, as befits a supreme enlightened being such as yourself. Rest assured, I am itching to receive your wisdom and I will treasure it like I treasure my dog eared copy of The UNIX Programming Environment.

>>105577052
Go be gay somewhere else

>>105582720
>X11 is much much nicer.
Stopped reading there, subhuman.

>>105575924
>there's just too many ways to do things, this is unsustainable
>i know, lets create something new where you just can't do anything
genius

>>105575746 (OP)
>The guy that maintains this is an anti vax Trump lover who uses bots to spread misinformation and attempt to win public favor
Learn from your hero’s, I guess

Our attempts to shame them aren't working. They aren't responding to us calling them Nazis. They don't believe our lies. They refuse to stop working on their fork.

Quick! Send of finest retard to shit up the thread!

>>105582768
Indeed. Well spotted Sir. As a response to this dire situation...

>>105582665
>Google Linux DRM and dilate, you worthless tranny.
>>105582687
>imbecile nocoders
>>105582720
>trannyware preferred by retards

...the Red Kippa shills have now shifted gears and are attempting to derail the thread by pretending to be some sort of text-only, unix hating ultra TRVE high purity uber nerds. They still stick out like sore thumbs, though.

I for one believe this XLibre project has merit. I shall follow it with great interest. I will give it a spin, maybe even build packages for it. And time permitting I may even submit a patch or so.

>>105582805
VT's aren't text only, in fact VT is pixels only and what is displayed here is up to your competence, and considering you're a seething projecting redhatranny who still hasn't made wayland as usable as x11 despite wayland being old enough to smoke and vote, it speaks for itself.

>>105582819
Say, dear friend, why does this thread agitate you so? You do not have a dog in this fight after all.

>>105582835
I use X11, my dog is in fact the only relevant one.

>>105582715
>he thinks X is limited to running only on VT8
all of my wew. I'm sure switching to my graphic interface will be very useful for interacting with multiple applications running on my servers half a world away. Oh wait it is. Since I can run tmux instead of my terminal emulator there as well.
>trannyware
What does this even mean. It's like I'm talking to an LLM that was trained on discord.

>>105582725
You don't read at all you just shit out replies in anger.

>>105582739
I see we're up to accusing him of doing what you've been doing for the past week. What's the next step of your master plan? Nuking the internet with no survivors?

>>105582687
Here me out; There is this awesome thing about VTs. The fact that you can run different instances of Xorg on multiple ones at the same time. Which have the ability to draw multiple windows, in multiple workspaces, where you can run multiple terminal emulators, which connect to multiple devices through the network.

There is one huge issue with this though. You can't pretend like you're a hollywood hacker when your friends come over. Since you're not sitting at console watching text fly by while you run emerge -avuDN @world. But aside from that it's pretty sweet.

>>105582844
>I use X11
not for much longer you won't, lmao
gnome is nuking x11, kde will nuke x11 next.

>>105582876
Ok, don't forget to tell me how it's relevant to me in your next worthless post.
>>105582850
Glad it happened or sorry for your loss, didn't read allat.

>>105582850
>WAHH noooo YOU doing that wahhh!!
I can only pray swine like you get out down. The fork can exist, let it exist, I can’t wait for people to exploit the many vulnerabilities that Trump11 will push!

>>105575784
fpbp.
nigga can't even write correct C.

Why are these people so concerned about how I use my own computers?

>>105582928
>nigga can't even write correct C.
Coming from a nigger that can't even into writing proper natural language, that's quite the serious allegation.

>>105582654
Amiga, BeOS, Mach, NT, etc. There were options.

>>105582942
Which one do you use specifically? On what hardware? What does that hardware do all day?

>>105582922
>I can’t wait for people to exploit the many vulnerabilities that Trump11 will push!
i can't see any DE actually packaging this fork, so probably never?
>>105582921.
in 3 years you'll have a hard time finding a single DE that can boot a x11 session. in 5 years you'll won't find a single new application that can start outside of wayland.
times are a-changing anon.

>>105582938
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/4#issuecomment-2957146780

guy's retarded. literally if you don't look at this and go, "lol, lmao" I don't know what to tell you other than you don't know C and you're a nocoder bitch, just like this faggot.

>>105582952
>in 3 years
explain how any of this affects me at all

>>105582922
>I can’t wait for people to exploit the many vulnerabilities that Trump11 will push!
"people", huh? Would that be "people" like in "someody else" because you cannot into programming yourself? I suggest you, ah, learn to code before you comment on code. And no, these "programming socks" you are wearing are not going to get you any closer to being able to code, I'm afraid. You have been sold a lie.

>>105582952
>times are a-changing anon.
Indeed they are. The (((ESG))) money's been getting a little tight of late. A lot less diversity getting funded. People getting fired, even. Your predictions for what happens in 3 years might not be too accurate.

>>105575746 (OP)
> Will you use XLibre?

I cloned and built it last night. Need to fuck with it a bit to get it to actually run, but hell I might even start an XLibre packman repo for openSUSE if it doesn't turn out to be a full-time hobby.

>>105582982
I can’t wait until a couple years pass of you retards daily driving this shit! I have 0 things to prove to 90 year olds.

>>105578211
>he is stating that the project is apolitical
Shit like DEI is objectively political, but to get around norms against introducing "politics" into technical areas, shitlibs rebranded it as "morality" and "basic human decency."
>trans people existing is not political
>hating nazis is basic decency
>being apolitical is both-sidesism
Now saying you want something to be apolitical is right-coded.
>you want it apolitical because you're a cryptofascist

>>105583059
So no XLibre exploits forthcoming from you in the foreseeable future? Thought so. Maybe if and when you finally learn to code. By the way, you do realize you must be 18 to post here, right?

>>105583070
>rebranded it as "morality" and "basic human decency."
which is politics

Allow me to interject and save anyone lurking the time. Here is a summary of arguments made ITT and why you shouldn't care about them:
>X will be dead in <x> years and no new applications will work with it
We don't care. You need X more than we need you. Since all the "legacy" stuff like games and shit we've been using for decades already is all anyone cares about running. No one cares about whatever gnome is replacing notepad.exe with this year
>This is a <x> and <muh politics>
We don't care. He could be full blown communist wearing programming socks or literally Hitler. As long as the fork works no one cares.
>This guy can't into C/nocoder
We don't care. All he has to do is accept merge requests from people that can into C. He could sit there all day doing nothing and it would be better than what we had before with Red Hat controlling access to the code
>X doesn't support <feature> right now
We don't care. We've tried to add support for <feature> for years and Red Hat wouldn't let us
>Muh vaccine
We don't care. Your body your choice. Take the death shot if you want to.
>He said mean things on mailing list
We don't care. Most people on LKML are retards anyway.
>I use <x> on my computer
We don't care. If you want to install malware and fap to tranny porn in whatever chrome fork you're using go right ahead. You can have your half working shitware and we can have ours. That's the joy of freedom
>This fork will go nowhere
We don't care. Multiple people have already forked X already or maintained patch sets. If this idiot doesn't do a good job we'll fork again.
>No one will package this
We don't care. We know how to use a compiler. Also multiple distros are always packaging it
>X isn't secure
We don't care. I've been running "secure" X for years already. It's certainly secure on my main OS out of the box already.

Find something better to do with your time. This is pathetic.

>>105582447
i thought discord called them "servers"

>>105583070
>apolitical
everything is political. you can't just stick your fingers in your ears and screech apolitical and expect everyone to sing kumbaya.

>>105583087
King

>>105583158
not him, but i disagree.

>>105582956
>omg someone made a mistake what a retard
good thing no one else in software makes mistakes, ever.

>>105583196
>maintainer made maga comments
>maintainer made anti vaxx comments
>THE FORK IS APOLITICAL
yeah right

>>105582931
YOU MUST COMPLY YOU MUST LIKE SYSTEMD YOU MUST LIKE GNOME YOU MUST LIKE WAYLAND YOU WILL USE IT YOUR SOFTWARE SUCKS DONT BE A FASCIST.

>>105583249
>No one can ever say "make it great again" until the end of time because that one guy said it 10 years ago
Why are people like this?
>anti vaxx
Look anon. We know you feel bad that you got tricked into accepted unproven drug in exchange for a dough nut. But you shouldn't get angry with us just because we were all smart enough to see it was a trick. You should have listened.

Before you ask. Yes everyone is avoiding you because you're a walking AIDS factory.

>>105583244
>changed perfectly good code with broken shit demonstrating his incompetence.
ok. keep carrying water for him.
his code is dogshit.

>>105583309
you dont have to use it. you dont even have to be in this thread.

>radical leftist software pretenders talking about politics non stop for years
>someone say "im forking this project and we're not talking about politics XYZ"
>radical left : YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT POLITICS YOU SAID THIS WASNT ABOUT POLITICS

the life of a midwit.

>>105583347
>claim code is broken and shit for years
>someone changes it
>YOU CHANGED PERFECTLY GOOD CODE INTO BROKEN SHIT!
>guy reverts changes
>HAHAHA HE CAN'T CODE
>check repo history
>people accusing him of being bad coder have been breaking shit for the last 10 years

>>105583158
>Everything is political
This is literal fascism, beign apolitical doesn't mean that we don't understand that our actions have political consequences, it means we are allowed to disregard them for our benefit.
We need nuclear energy to improve the world, nuclear physicist shouldn't have to care about crazy authoritarian state building nukes that should be the job of ... get ready for this POLITICIANS. The fact that we are not talking about nuclear weapons or encryption enabling crime, or gun control, or any other contentious issue, but about how we draw pixels on a screen, and yet we have psychopaths trying to dictate who is allowed to write code for this and who isn't should clue you in what the phrase "Everything is political" actually means.

>>105583347
That's the fate of all GNU projects, really.

>>105583359
>maintainer spouts maga rhetoric left and right
i'm sure this will have no impact on the way he handles the repository, its issues, its merge requests or even the commit messages.
everything you do is a reflection of your political beliefs, this is particularly relevant for maintainers that effectively police what goes in and what goes out of the project.

>>105583393
>everything you do is a reflection of your political beliefs
Is that the chapter after
>everyone born as <x> is racist
In the book of Retarded Shit No One Should Care About?

How do you people even get through the day? I'm curious. Do you walk around in fear that everyone around you is secretly out to get you? When you see a man with a beard in the grocery store do you make up stories in your head about how he's oppressing you with is mind? Do you sit around all day lapping up propaganda from your TV and cell phone? Do you fear for you life if someone at the store bends over to get something off the bottom shelf and you see something that kind of looks like a handgun? Do you think everyone you encounter is secretly a pod person?

It's ironic that you're like this yet you call everyone else a schizo and a racist. When 99% of people you see during your day are just trying to figure out how to make enough money to eat and give zero shits about you or whatever you're doing in your free time. Well they do care in so much that they don't want to see you harmed. Since most people aren't evil. But I have a feeling someone like you walks around wishing death on everyone you encounter for reasons you made up. Aka you're a crazy faggot that should be locked away from the rest of society. For our own safety.

>>105583393
And if anyone disagrees with his politics they will fork the project again, but something tells me that the reason you don't like that is that there's a chance that some desktop environment outside of your political control may not ship a rainbow flag wallpaper for pride month *gasp*

>>105583393
>everything you do is a reflection of your political beliefs
not him, but what does this actually mean?
i don't visit /pol/ or have any particular political beliefs, i honestly don't give two shits about government policy. not because i think it doesn't affect me, but because i know i'm powerless to affect it

>>105583454
>not him, but what does this actually mean?
It's a talking point pushed by one side of the left/right divide. People get wrapped up in that stupid shit and it becomes their entire personality. If you aren't with them you're against them. Both sides do it too.

It would take much longer than I have time to explain here but it's a tricked used by those in power to keep the population under their thumb. They stir up shit and keep the little people in-fighting while they screw us all over. They have this thing called "Problem, reaction, solution" where they cause a problem then wait for people to respond before offering the solution they wanted all along. For example, no one would ever willingly agree to live in a security state. But if you can scare the people with violence and blame the cause of violence on outside forces (terrorists, racists, domestic terrorists, <x> group etc) then the regular people will agree to have cameras put up everywhere and be monitored 24/7 for their "safety". Really all along the state just wanted more control. But they had to give the little people a little push to ask for that control measure themselves.

The left/right divide is all about that. One side get censored. The other cheers. Then the other side comes into "power". They start censoring the side that censored them. The other side cheers. Before you know it no one can say anything. No matter what they support or if they're totally outside of the left/right camps. In the end everyone loses. Aside from those that are in power.

A lot of well meaning people get tricked into joining these factions of idiots. Just look at the last 10 years of double think. These people are claiming this guy is pro-Trump and Anti-vaxx. Yet the vaccine wouldn't have been rolled out at all without Trump's Operation Warp Speed.

I really don't understand how people are so dumb they fall for this. But a lot of them do.

>>105583587
>nooo, not the cameras
lmao

>>105583587
>The left/right divide is all about that. One side get censored. The other cheers. Then the other side comes into "power". They start censoring the side that censored them. The other side cheers. Before you know it no one can say anything. No matter what they support or if they're totally outside of the left/right camps. In the end everyone loses. Aside from those that are in power.
yea, i've noticed that. it seems like nowadays i'm either being accused of being for one of either side, polfags just can't seem to understand the concept of an individual, there's only two kinds of person

See what I mean anon? It only took a few minutes for >>105583614 to show up and claim I'm a nutter for pointing out that the network of cameras that's been rolled out everyone over the last few years isn't a big deal. Like anyone in America circa-1999 would have been okay with what we have happening now. Like everyone is totally cool with living in a dystopia and we don't have a great example of how it's bad in China. They'll be saying
>lmao it's no big deal
while the social credit system is getting enforced. It'll be great they'll say. Now all the bad people will be punished and thrown in jail! Who needs freedom anyway? As long as I pretend to be overjoyed with the evil the state is doing the state will give me a waifu and maybe even some plane tickets to Japan if I'm a really good boy.

They're dumb. That's why it isn't really worth paying attention to anything they say or even arguing with them about this stuff. They're just going to repeat the same slogans over and over again like a robot. The NPC meme from a few years ago was pretty accurate.

If you do manage to break their programming they'll just lash out and be violent towards you. Or if it's happening on the internet they just have to silenced. They snitch to moderation and have your posts deleted. Then they turn right around and claim that no one disagrees with them. If you point out that people do they'll demand proof. If you give them proof it's never from a good enough source. If the source is deemed credible then they'll just laugh and claim they don't care about this and you're crazy if you do.

These people never grew up. They love the state because they need someone to be their parent. These are the same type of people that rant about stuff police brutality. Yet they'll stand there and record the police beating up someone with their cell phone instead of rushing him. Even when they out number the police officer 20 to 1. They're cowards.

>>105583675
People who want to be free don't live in cities. I am literally overjoyed that this decision to chase money and wagecucking instead of buying shitty land and going offgrid like you were supposed to, causes you mental anguish.

>>105583669
This thread is veering far off topic (which is what they want) but I felt it important to point out; That board was lost long ago anon. You shouldn't worry about anything being posted on it because it's mostly bots and paid Government shills these days. The reason they shit it up so hard is because there was a time when actual shit was getting done there. Back in the good days there was all sorts of good stuff being posted on it. People were leaking shit that worked high up in the Government. People were organizing and effecting real change among the hoards of normalfags on social media. The board was at least 12-48 hours ahead of the MSM news cycle. MSM was having to react to what was being said there on the daily. Politicians and other celebs were getting BTFO and their lies exposed.

Hence why they co-opted and shit it up so hard. We got a few more good years of it on another website. But they eventually killed that off too.

I miss it. We had a good 15 years or so where it felt like anon was unstoppable. But they spread us to the four corners of the internet and it's impossible for everyone to come together now. They spent billions and billions of dollars ensuring nothing like that would ever happen again.

>>105583587
An example of astroturfing people are talking about.
He tries to make it about Trump and vaccine.

The situation is very simple. Wayland breaks things. The devs are assholes. The corporate pays online shills. Linux users love to take it in the ass. That's it.

These shill service only knows to make it about American left vs right like always. No other scripts. No other talking points.

>>105583738
uhuh.. yea... pol was always a containment board for me anon. i've been here for along time, well before /pol/ was a thing, you're barking up the wrong tree if you think i care about pol

>>105583675
>If you do manage to break their programming they'll just lash out and be violent towards you. Or if it's happening on the internet they just have to silenced. They snitch to moderation and have your posts deleted. Then they turn right around and claim that no one disagrees with them. If you point out that people do they'll demand proof. If you give them proof it's never from a good enough source. If the source is deemed credible then they'll just laugh and claim they don't care about this and you're crazy if you do.
Yes, they are literally NPCs or paid shills. They have neither standards nor morals and their whole worldview is written by their masters. Do not engage with them (especially the "moderate" "sensible" ones). They need to suffer personally to have a chance of breaking the indoctrination. It doesn't matter how much money they pile into propaganda because they can only win if we let them.

>>105583768
>pol was always a containment board for me
For everyone. Moot didn't even want /pol/ to exist, to begin with. He only let it live because not having it was a worse alternative.

>>105575784
FPBP

>>105582529
I'll always use X and I use alsa, but in the 90s I didn't like IRC, I'm indifferent to it now.

Which distro will adopt this? There won't be any I am sure

>>105583858
It would probably take a while for distro maintainers to trust it, but if it gets regular releases with fixes/improvements it could happen.

>>105583858
Artix
https://packages.artixlinux.org/packages/galaxy-goblins/x86_64/xlibre-server

>>105575746 (OP)
They had a good idea until they went full chud.

They basically self sabotaged.

Oersonally I aint gonna touch it because there's probably gonna be trillions of trannies trying to attack it and I'll be called into HR is my name was ever associated with that shit.

>>105583917
Artix + XFCE + XLibre

>>105584021
I already meet the first two criteria, 3rd one soon TM (wanna test it a bit more first since one of my machines is on Nvidia)

>>105582542
The overwhelming fear of leaking ip addresses through irc is funny to me even now. I would frequent channels with hundreds/thousands of daily active users with less than you'd expect obfuscating their ip and there were very few incidents. Maybe they were high trust channels, maybe people weren't so fucking retarded or malicious back then idk

>>105583768
>>105583798
By that logic everything that wasn't /a/ is a "containment board". Look how well that worked out.

>>105583927
Maybe don't be a retard that uses his real name for everything? Or perhaps you should consider not working for an evil company.

>>105584226
Everything has to "leak your IP address" to work. That's how routing on the internet works.

>>105583858
You can make any package you like on gentoo, so you can easily do it or find an overlay that does.

>>105576044
See i can see why they didnt want him making big changes like he was doing, trying to clean it up, but what i dont get is why they outright banned him from the freedesktop gitlab, seems a bit much for such a trivial thing, they could have just taken him off as a maintainer and forced review for anything he did.

>>105583393
he was a long time contributor, obviously he wasnt that bad or he would have never been a maintainer in the first place.

>>105584887
>i dont get is why they outright banned him from the freedesktop gitlab
These type of people operate only in emotions. It's like dealing with a police officer. The moment you tell them "no" and make them realize they don't have any real authority over you they get very angry and start lashing out at you. He only got banned because he was bringing attention to them refusing code off site. They were looking for any excuse to get rid of him. They thought he'd go away with his tail between his legs and quit forever.

They didn't count on the power of autism.

>>105584887
Does the xdg CoC brigade have to publish why someone was banned?

>>105582928
>nigga can't even write correct C.
Nobody can. That's the whole point of C, the enshittification of software.

>>105583087
Based.
X Forever.
In fact, that should have been the fork's name: XForever

>>105585231
True, that's why Rust is the future.

i hate gayland faggots like you wouldn't believe

>>105575924
We already solved that with DRI3 and modesetting.

>>105584021
XFCE literally almost completed their transition to wayland. Reluctantly, but soon enough it will be wayland only.

>>105583858
It's already on AuR.

>>105583767
king

>>105588174
Brb, gonna report it for racism.

>>105587379
I guess it's a good thing there is enough interest to maintain a fork that isn't shit. Just like Gnome was for years until they shit it so badly that everyone lost interest. They worked really hard to discourage the people packaging it without systemd/wayland. But to this day there are still forks and all of them are better than what Gnome itself offers.

These people think they can bully everyone into their "use case". But that will never happen.

>>105575746 (OP)
gtk/qt/chromium/firefox stop x11 support next year

>>105589367
lol Firefox still supported gtk2 a couple of years ago

>>105576518
The shaman thing was absolutely not a prank. Holly had no experience doing anything. Her YouTube channel was a bunch of new age shaman shit and life coaching grifting. Her resume was barren and padded with bullshit.

There's no reasonable explanation for why she got hired. She must have been sucking dick but she's an ugly land whale so what the fuck. Some level of nepotism or corruption going on.

>>105589381
Which is insane, we could have had a filepicker for the browser written in native HTML+CSS and rendered by firefox but instead we can't even have thumbnails because it uses GTK3

>>105588264
Don't bother I'll just ignore you, or blakkheim will.

>>105589399
and the gtk4 firefox branch has no x11 support

>>105589401
Sneedacity got banned from AUR for less (nothing).

>>105589411
And let me guess, it has no native Linux DRM support either because if I am using a browser, it's because I am already using wayland?
When firefox deprecates gtk3, I won't be posting here from anywhere but my phone.

>>105589412
Unlike Sneedacity and Redot, XLibre is filling a spot that legitimately needs to be filled. Red Hat obviously doesn't want Xorg contributions. A successor fork was inevitable. Xorg is in barely maintenance mode. XLibre is the future of the Linux desktop.

>>105589411
Who cares about GTK? Almost the worst thing to happen to Linux.

>>105589426
People who don't want the worse alternative (full bloated GayDE dependency pull-in just for browser).

Most recent change in the repo. I wonder when will his free tshirt arrive

cniles don't even know their own language

>>105589591
>>105589609
Could you link the commit instead of screenshotting NOTHING on your stupid ass phone you stupid newfaggot.

???
What even is the point of this

>>105582268
Who the FUCK comes to /g/ to talk about fucking toilets?

>>105589636
Just browse the git history faggot

>>105589642
Just stop spamming your worthless phonenigger "screenshots".

>>105589638
>Who the FUCK comes to /g/ to talk about fucking toilets?
(You) are obviously butthurt you lost your 6 figure lazy girl job and the bidet privileges that come with it. Now you have neither the plumbing chops nor the money, nor landlord Shekelstein's permission to install one in your home. Sucks to be you.

He replaced a setter function with manual access and then deprecated said function. What the fuck

>>105575784
>>105575809
Nigga Heil Hitler

>>105589702
Based.

Simplified concise functions into verbose switch-case statements. This is literal jeet code.

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/commit/5b4696368a6ab1a7302059ee39129706feb224cb

I'm not browsing any more of these inane commits. The needful changes just go on and on.

>>105589740
>Pessimizes code
So like I said, he's a plant.

These changes don't even refactor anything bad or prepare the codebase for bigger changes like this retard parrots >>105581026. They're changes just for the sake of it that can cause actual problems in the future.

>>105589767
The code is functionally equivalent. The switch case statement will be turned by the compiler into a jump table, thus marginally optimizing the performances

>>105589873
The original code is already a jump table, retard

>>105576752
>and both systemd and wayland are there to improve our lives
my apologies, I did not realize I was talking to a retard who trust everything corpo master tell them to believe

>>105589873
>>105589879
Original code wouldn't be a jump table if compiler generated a proper jump table from a switch.
It's a pessimization.
The change would only be understandable if he turned the jump table into a computed goto.

>>105576865
>broke mpv for gnome on purpose
good to know people with actual consciousness still exists

>>105576881
good to know people are aware of the genetic surgery juice
have you not seen the supreme court ruling regarding human genetics?

>>105576928
and yet you're here, shilling

>>>105576928(You)
>and yet you're here, shilling

>>105577052
Halloween document, EEE, ...
how do you not understand the concept of sabotage?

>>105577115
>not even 5 minutes apart
>have this image ready at all time
glownigger confirmed

>>105589931
The only thing that sabotages xorg right now are this guy's commits, see
>>105589637
>>105589702
>>105589740

>>105589740
Hes an old school programmer, probably close to 60 years old since he was submitting patches in the 90s, If I had to guess a reason for this madness, it probably improves performance or something .

>>105580626
>>105580592
agent BrightAsSun#666 please fix this bot, too obvious

>>105589974
No old school programmer would try to use an exponentiation operator in C

Love how cniles paint themselves as le hecking hacker masters and when their incompetence gets exposed (either when they try to derail Rust threads or in their own projects) they just screech about trannies and DEI all day. Just scream loudly, this will definitely make people forget that you barely grasp a systems language designed to be usable by literal tards.

>>105590010
well he does, hes been around a Looong time and is an active kernel maintainer

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/
maintainers.html

maybe he had a stroke or something lol.

>>105589943
meds NOW

>>105590032
Literally migrating to BSD right now

>>105590045
Ok, enjoy even shittier code.

>>105590045
kek

https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/06/11/enrico-weigelt/

If anybody is interested in what the man has to say, here is a interview with him.

>>105590057
BSD devs (especially OpenBSD) are known for their strict code quality policies. Maybe that's why Xenocara devs don't touch this political fork with a 10 foot pole

>>105590066
BSD devs don't care about computational performance and that's why their libc is full of K&R tier code.

>>105583249
>this retard has no idea Senator Armstrong said Make America Great Again way before 2016

>>105590198
Nice cope
https://www.phoronix.com/review/bsd-linux-threadripper-7980x

>>105583249
how is trying to revive and restore an existing thing to its former glory, political, its like you retards just hear the pattern of the words and assume that it must be bad because Donald trump said something similar.

also anti-vaxx is a schizo point of view generally not a political one despite the screechers claiming it is.

>>105590243
Where are the numbers in that page? No I'm not gonna read words words words.

>>105583927
>redditspacing this hard
>chud
have you washed your axe wound today?

>>105586121
>>105589609
>>105589929
>>105589948
have you washed your girlcock today?
remember to apply a gelding rubber band before slicing it off to avoid blood loss

Luddite chuddy meltdown above

>>105590031
maybe if you post more about cnile, you will finally pass

>>105589948
>redhat actively block merge requests, openly say they want to kill off X
>-y-y-you're the real saboteur

>>105590354
Yes, they should block merge requests of chuds trying to revive a dead windowing system in the middle of wayland adoption

>>105590339
dilating tranny meltdown above
being too busy dilating, he even forgot to quote me, please give him some safespace

>>105590363
and yet the ancient software surpass the 20yr pos

>>105590335
>>105590344
>>105590354
>trannies trannies trannies trannies
Maybe you should take some HRT too. You might even learn how to code

>>105590374
>being a reddit tranny
>shills tranny lang all day
>shills tranny software all day
>sucks off tranny corp all day
>get mad when someone call him out
look, you even know your med already, maybe you should take some

>>105590373
Cope

>>105590363
>middle of wayland adoption
Is it going to run in a feature complete manner on GNU/Hurd any day now? In two more weeks, say?

>>105590431
>GNU/Hurd
Literally nobody uses this

>>105590374
>Maybe you should take some HRT too. You might even learn how to code
I doubt that helps. According to my statistics, the number of commits goes down while the number of inane blog posts skyrockets when formerly male programmers start wearing programming socks and shooting up with estrogen.

>>105590441
Kinda like wayland, huh?

>>105590459
Kinda like xlibre

>>105590476
One of these projects had 15 years to deliver while the other did not. I leave figuring out which is which as an exercise to the reader.

>>105590459
>it being the default on KDE and GNOME, almost every DE developing a wayland session to fully replace x11 like gnome, and some distros having already nuked x11 is nobody using it
Why are luddite chuds trying desperately to cling onto a rotting corpse so stubborn?

>>105589740
While I don't really see much reason for the change, don't fix what ain't broken, using a switch-case for that kind of code is what I would expect to see in traditional C. Allocating a static struct for this kind of thing is what I would consider unconventional.

One of the arguments for the switch-case is that you immediately see what each valid stuff->data is and what it calls. With the array lookup, you have to go to the enum definition and then count positions in the array definition.

>>105590542
It's a project ruined by chud reputation and wayland just existing
Doesn't matter what it tries, it's dead on arrival

>>105590564
>Doesn't matter what it tries, it's dead on arrival
That sums up the last 15 years of wayland pretty nicely, yes. Quit peddling your polished turd already, gnometard. Nobody wants it.

>>105590571
Doesn't matter what cope you try, chud, nobody is adopting xlibre, and everybody is adopting wayland
That's just the reality

>>105590585
As real a reality as you being as a woman? Asking for a friend who calls guys in drag guys in drag.

>>105590670
mindbroken

Don't care, still running GNOME + Wayland + Fedora + Systemd + Pipewire + LLVM + Rust + uutils + sudo-rs

>>105590753
I'm happy your transition was successful, anon

>>105590753
All of this is based accept for gnome

>>>105590753
>I'm happy your transition was successful, an- ACK!