Reminder that if (You) haven't replaced your ISP's router with:
>a chinkshit router w/ OpenWRT
>an x86 machine w/ OPNsense
>a Mikrotik/Ubiquiti router
In [CURRENT YEAR]+10, (You) are a faggot.

>>105610301 (OP)
Some ISPs make it incredibly difficult or impossible to use other equipment.

>>105610325
Then why pay them?

>>105610301 (OP)
Are there really people out there who don't use their own router?
wtf?

>>105610368
>what is a monopoly?

>>105610301 (OP)
I generally agree with you, though I recently got Quantum Fiber (CenturyLink). They installed their own modem and mesh wifi router pod things for free. I haven't had any issues, at least none that warrant spending more money to replace hardware.

QRD?

>>105610301 (OP)
Should I put OpenWRT on a TP-Link TL-WR940N? Got 2 of them

>>105610419
just start your own isp

>>105610427
Can you set up VLANs or QOS?

>>105610454
If you have $50,000+ sitting around burning a hole in your pocket, feel free.

>>105610485
I don't know what those are, pls no bully ;_;

>>105610510
Virtual LANs, so you can run an isolated wifi guest network that doesn't have access to your private LAN

And quality of service (QoS) which allows for traffic prioritization (or limiting) by port, or by IP.

>>105610419
>What is StarLink

The most idiotic brain dead store in my country sells StarLink off the shelf. It's not even a custom order to get one.

>>105610301 (OP)
>Ubiquiti
You are a faggot in fact.

>>105610485
>>105610533
VLANs are overrated, and automatic QoS is fine in better routers (including $40 aftermarket ones), but ISPs have an incentive to make things like torrenting bog down the whole network so they have horrible QoS if any.

Port forwarding/DMZ usually just doesn't work on ISP routers though, which is the worst thing about them a lot of the time

>>105610552
Ubiquiti is unironically good shit overall, there are some shit products, and they could've done some things better software-wise, but overall their price/performance is basically impossible to beat without going for chinkshit.

The biggest reason you faggots hate them is because they have a sleek aesthetic that is apple-esque, and because "normie" IT guys love them and you get to pretend you're better than them by shitting on the brand.

>>105610534
Not a real home connection. High latency, less reliable and no dedicated IP without NAT.

>>105610583
Im so glad my ISP doesn't fuck with CGNAT at all.

ITT: OP just started studying Network+ and think he needs 500 useless features networks can have because... he just does OKAY!

99.9% of people don't care about making a new subnet/vlan, changing DNS for anything but default on their networks, or a static IP/Port forwarding. Chances are your network is going to act the exact same if you have a custom router setup or an ISP provided one

>>105610533
>>105610564
QoS is worthless on faster connections anyway, it almost always disabled hardware offloading of NAT, which means your router is doing routing purely using its CPU, which even higher end $200-500 routers will struggle to break 1gbps without hardware offloading.

So if you have 1gbps+ internet and you enable QoS, unless you've got a fairly beefy pfsense box or similar, you're probably going to see bandwidth drop a fair bit.

My 2gig internet for example drops to around 1200mbps with QoS enabled, even just basic QoS like rate limiting a single client to 500Mbps. Just by enabling that ONE rule my routing performance on other client devices will drop to ~1200mbps at its peak, though the QoS does work at least as the rate limited client device will be capped at 500Mbps.

Still, I just don't use QoS due to the drastic loss in performance.

>>105610583
Not an excuse. Get a free CloudFlare Tunnel. Do you even Networking? I have Commodities traders in rural areas on StarLink, Bloomberg terminals, the works and the unreliability and latency are fantastical anecdotes you've made up in your mind.

>>105610301 (OP)
paying for two internet connections is for boomers you should just hotspot from your phone

>muh QOS
You're only going to notice a difference with QoS features if you're actively hitting >95% saturation on your internet circuit. The only reason I have it on is because I am lazy and forget to rate limit shit like Steam or other downloads while I take some work phonecalls

>>105610680

>>105610730
I'd still rather be able to set my own rules than to use whatever shit they have built in.

>>105610767
Great 99.9% of users don't care or know what they are doing to safety configure that shit; nor regularly update it from CVE/RCE's that ISP's generally harden and patch for clients.

>>105610820
>CVE/RCE's that ISP's generally harden and patch for clients.
6-12 months later maybe

My ISP's router firmware updates are at best every 6 months, and sometimes they'll go literal years before a firmware update.

>>105610710
They are factual drawbacks. Sometimes it's better than a real connection (Or increasingly, there is no option of a real connection) but that doesn't change the facts.

>>105610831
Cox and Midco and Verizon always seemed to update fairly quick, not sure about your shit Rajshi

>>105610534
buy an ad elonjeet

>>105610875
>Verizon
That's who I am talking about anon.

They don't do release notes, they don't announce firmware updates publicly, you literally CAN'T force a firmware update on some of their routers you have to wait for it to be pushed to you. And again, it can be months or years between updates.

I've been with Verizon for 18 years.

>>105610875
>Rajshi
why do you people always jump to
>this person MUST be indian

I'm behind a limited ISP router which doesn't even have a bridged mode. I still bought GL.iNet Flint 2 which is connected to the ISP router and just connect everything to that. Two routers, two NATs but it werks and I can play with OpenWRT.

whats something good and easy i could use something that looks like >>105610767
>105610767
that on?
oh and i have a surfboard modem from 2008, wou9ld that work for the modem side? or is routers mostly with build in cable and dsl/fiber connections?

>>105611272
The modem really only needs to be updated if it's older and not capable of doing the DOCSIS channels needed for the speeds you pay for.

Just make sure it's not a modem/router combo, or if it is that you can put it into bridge mode.

The anon you are replying to is using a Ubiquiti router. Ubiquiti is a fairly wide range of products with the most recent all-in-one consumer router being the Dream Router 7.

>>105610301 (OP)
my isp gave me some cheap tp-link router
i replaced it with x86 machine running openwrt because i didnt like the ui. kept begging me to join some cloud botnet. yuck.
literal only benefit i derive from it is running my own recursive dns network-wide

also
>ubiquiti slop
lmao

>>105610301 (OP)
>OpenWRT
i use a fortinet fortigate 60f

>>105611383
Oh wow, someone else who thinks they're better than everyone else because they dislike a particular company simply because they're popular

wewlad

>>105610301 (OP)
ISP-free, decentralized internet using meshnet is better
too bad we live on the wrong side of history as pointed out by this anon >>105610419

>>105611395
Unless someone handed one to me for free, I could never see myself paying for Fortinet

>>105610301 (OP)
nigga I use excellent hardware running modified proprietary firmware. I would say good things about both OPNsense and openWRT.

these days niggas need to know how to eliminate their ISP's ONT and replace it with their own hardware.

>>105610578
>The biggest reason you faggots hate them is because they have a sleek aesthetic that is apple-esque
Honestly yeah I think this is a big reason people hate on them, they look sorta like apple products and people just never bother looking deeper.

>>105611589
>these days niggas need to know how to eliminate their ISP's ONT and replace it with their own hardware.
Why?

An ONT literally just converts fiber to ethernet, what reason would I need to do that myself?

The only benefit would be if their ONT is hardware limited in some way.

My ISP uses a 10Gbps NG-PON2 ONT, and there aren't any on the market that you can buy for personal use, even if you COULD get it to work with your ISP's OLT.

>>105610368
There isn't always a choice, be thankful you have a choice.

I just browse facebook and 4chinz man

>>105610534
But that has the same disadvantages as the ISP's gateway. Can you use starlink with your antenna? No. Then it's like you're using the gateway the ISP provides.

>>105610534
I don't want your shitty wireless Internet, Elon.

>>105610301 (OP)
In my country you can't use any other router other than the ones provided to you by the ISP.

>>105610325
I use a gaming router and enable bridging on my ISP modem.

>>105610710
That does not solve the high latency issue. Also it's fucking expensive.

>>105610491
Crowd fund a new ISP from your Christian Identity churchagogue.

https://youtu.be/RqCTuWXla8k

>>105613052
Not all ISP routers allow you to put them in bridge mode is the problem.

>>105610301 (OP)
>Reminder that if (You) haven't replaced your ISP's router with:
Why should I?

>>105613079
Is it legal to flash your ISP modem with firmware that does? Or does your modem require hardware too in order to do it?

>>105613080
More control of your local network and you're not locked into a specific piece of hardware that may or may not be what you need/want in your house.

My ISP's router is 4x4 2.4/5/6ghz but only does Wifi 6E, and real world use it has terrible wifi coverage.

I replaced it with a router that has 2x2 2.4/5/6ghz but does Wifi 7 and I get MUCH better wifi speeds.

>>105613096
My ISP doesn't have a modem, they have an ONT/Router combo that can't be put into bridge mode.

Apparently you can buy an SFP+ GPON module and run your own router by cloning the old ONT's MAC address or some other shit, but I haven't bothered trying to fuck around with that.

>>105610301 (OP)
my ISP router is an Amazon Eero and it just works. I bought 2 more for mesh and it, literally just works.
sucks to suck I guess.
>b-but muh spyware
I don't run unauth services other than a media server, which being unauth, is the whole point.

>>105610710
>the unreliability and latency are fantastical anecdotes you've made up in your mind

>>105613128
is that just in a 24 hour period?

pic related is the last 7 days on my home connection

>>105613109
My local network has a PC, a media server Pi, a NAS (only on a few times a week), two mobiles and a Pi-Hole. The ISP router only does the connection to the interwebs.
OP made it sound like everyone should put up Chinkshit with OpenWRT when there's literally no need.

>>105613167
I mean it really just depends how cucked your ISP is.
Better ISPs there is little reason to replace their router outside of a desire to use your own gear, or use something with more robust hardware/software for your specific needs.

A shittier ISP you might be forced to use your own router because the one they supply is locked down shit with terrible performance that can barely give wifi in the next room, let alone across the entire home.

>>105611117
Do I panic buy this or just go for the flint 2?

>>105610368
There's only one ISP in my area nobody services my suburba-rural shithole

>>105613161
It's a 15 minute period and that what it looks like all day long. Here's latency.

>>105613223
oof

>>105613206
Wifi 7 is pretty based

>>105613237
The speed isn't actually that bad, it had another mini outage mid test. The latency is typical though.

>>105613193
>that can barely give wifi in the next room
In this case buy you can still buy an AP in bridge mode and be done with it.
The ISP router supposed to give access to the internet, that's about it. I don't even need VLANs and if I ever want to set up a VPN I will put it on the Pi-Hole.

>>105613261
I'm just used to 1-2.5gbps with 4-8ms ping for the last 8+ years.

>>105613206
Flint 3 will use Qualcomm, so no OpenWRT. Get the Flint2 if you want OpenWRT support.
>https://forum.openwrt.org/t/gl-inet-flint-3-gl-be9300-discussions/218440/108

>>105613206
The OpenWRT guys were bashing it for using a Qualcomm chip which has poorer support/performance or something when I last read about it.
Apparently it's VPN is 1/3 slower than Flint 2. So for my needs that would be a hard pass, I run two Wireguards on my Flint 2 with policy routing.
OpenWRT Two router should also come out later this year made by GL.iNet but it's gonna pay a lot more.

>>105610491
Unironically ask for help from big government.

Sorry, I've been using the same Asus router with my 1Gbps connection for like a decade. The thing still works and as such the thing is still in use. No, I don't care about buying whatever chinkshit or fuck knows what is popular this month.

>>105610301 (OP)
I’m using TP-Link Switch/Router but I’m still using my Spectrum modem, is that bad?

>>105610578
>Configuring them means needing to run special snowflake extra hardware, running a docker container or something.
It just seems so unnecessary.

>>105614187
Lol wut?

You only "need" to do that if you don't own a ubiquiti router and you want to have cloud configuration access and monitoring.

You can use your phone to configure everything and just let them run as configured; you just won't get usage statistics or any other heuristic information.

But a ubiquiti gateway/router runs that controller software 24/7 by default, you only need to purchase a "cloud key" or run a docker container or the windows app if you DON'T have a gateway, but still want those features.

Its flexible so if you're deploying an entire site of access points, but the customer has an ISP supplied router they can't replace, you can install the Cloudkey on-site so you can remotely configure the accesspoints and do firmware updates from off-site.


Pic related, the Dream Router 7 runs the Network app (the thing you're talking about for configuration), and it can also run the Protect app for security cameras, the Acess app for automated door/gate access, the Talk app for IP phones and intercoms, and the Connect app for home automation (it can control Lights, EV chargers, A/V equipment, etc)

So yeah, the only time you need to run shit with snowflake hardware or docker container shit is when you're deploying their standalone access points and switches, and want to configure and have access to them remotely.

>>105614361
Honestly ubiquiti's biggest stumbling block for a lot of people is that damn cloud key, they THINK it's required, I've even seen morons with $5000+ in ubiquiti gateways, switches, access points, and they STILL have a cloudkey even though it does literally nothing for them.

>>105610427
>for free
you're the product. they're spying on you and selling your data. have fun

>>105613237
>oof
Don't try to be cute, you silly boy! :3

redpill me on differences between
>openwrt
>pfsense
>opnsense

>>105610301 (OP)
why?

>>105614743
openwrt is linux.
pfsense is cringe and not maintained. but but, no.
opnsense is freebsd.

>>105614972
>pfsense is cringe and not maintained
It gets annual updates they support the most current release version and the one before the current one.

It's also freebsd based.

>>105615041
you call that maintained software?
a 0-day gets discovered and you remain vulnerable for like 10 months, very secure and very maintained.

>>105615094
> System Patches: pfSense software (both Plus and CE editions) has a feature called "System Patches" that allows users to install patches, including security fixes, between releases. You can access and manage these patches through the System_Patches add-on package.
> Pre-Release Security Fixes: Netgate (the company behind pfSense) may release fixes for security issues that become public before the next scheduled release is finalized. Users can apply these fixes using the System Patches Package to stay protected.
wow, it's almost like you're retarded.

The paid version (Pfsense Plus) is usually the quickest, but for big security issues even the free version (CE) gets those security patches quickly.

>>105610578
nigga they have NO FEATURES you just like they they look like an apple product. stop fucking projecting. i piss upon you.

ISP router just werks, you don't need fancy settings if your connected device is under 10

>>105615984
Lmao what feature are they missing that you want/need?

If it's some meme bullshit enterprise grade feature, congrats, go spend $3,000 on meraki

>>105616022
i can spend under one third of the price tier-for-tier on aftermarket enterprise equipment with full feature implementations. tell me when all ubiquiti devices support LACP and not just some of their portfolio. after that, you can get back to me on dynamic routing protocols or any other RFC that was made from 2000 onward. we can talk about PHY quality and ASICs or RPs but you dont know enough about networking to even be on the same ethereal plane as me.

>>105616053
So yes, you're a retard. Thanks for confirming.

This is a thread for CONSUMER routers you dumb faggot retard.

>>105616053
Almost every router in this thread either doesn't work with LACP, or it's incredibly difficult to configure with almost no real world examples to draw from for help.
It's just not something people give a shit about outside of a datacenter environment or some autistic moron's homelab (you).

>>105616092
>go buy enterprise
>HEY STOP TALKING ABOUT ENTERPRISE THIS IS FOR CONSUMER ROUTERS
fucking tranny how about this
frrouting is a free software based routing package that has significantly more features than ubiquiti has fielded on ANY of their equipment to date by several orders of magnitude. any chinesium device (glinet for example) has the ability to install this package and thus their devices have more inherent features. go back to stocking the shelves.

>>105616053
>my second hand enterprise gear I got 5-8 years after it was released will be cheaper and better than your brand new 2024+ consumer/prosumer gear.
Wow did you figure that out all on your own?
By all means, enjoy your setup, but don't pretend like that's a sensible or sane setup for even more advanced home servers.

>>105616129
Hey, if you've the dozens of hours to kill setting up that garbage, feel free your time is clearly worthless.

>>105616139
get filtered retard

>>105616139
>Hey, if you've the dozens of hours to kill setting up that garbage, feel free your time is clearly worthless.
If your time had value you wouldn't be here. Not that I really care about whatever shitty substitute for Cisco products people are using now.

>faggot ubiquiti and starlink routers that require phone apps, yes phone apps, to configure
I'll take the ISP shitbox. You have fun with... whatever it is you've got going on over there.

>>105616211
You don't need to use a phone app for a ubiquiti router

You need to use the phone app if you want to set up a ubiquiti accesspoint WITHOUT a ubiquiti router.

If you have a ubiquiti router you just plug in the access point and head to the network console in the web browser and adopt the access point to your network.

The app is used in lieu of the ubiquiti router.


at least learn how the shit actually works before shitting on it.

>>105610301 (OP)
bought this shit used for $10 shipped and it does like 800Mb/s, not that i'd need it but still

>>105616318
on openwrt

>>105616296
You don't even need the app.
Just have the controller software running on any PC

>>105616211
>>105616296
>You need to use the phone app if you want to set up a ubiquiti accesspoint WITHOUT a ubiquiti router.

oh and just for the record, you CAN configure these things directly with SSH without the app as well, but it's not really recommended.
>>105616341
Yeah but he'd throw the same excuse even with that, it's software he doesn't want to run on a separate device.

>>105616351
are you feeling buyers remorse yet apple fanboy?
maybe you can shove the brushed metal up your ass or something idk

>>105616391
Why would I have buyer's remorse?

>>105610301 (OP)
I upgraded my asus router with Merlin to a mikrotik router + several Aruba access points and it’s way better this way.

Ended going moca on some old cable wiring we had to get another access point in the garage, so now our rental unit gets fast wifi for free

>>105616296
>at least learn how the shit actually works before shitting on it.
Thanks for the lesson. It's still shit. I'll stick to an ethernet cable and the "not recommended" SSH like a White man.

>>105611117
You could get rid of the ISP router by cloning its MAC Address.

>>105617113
only if his ISP is doing a MAC address whitelist for authentication and not some other method.

>>105610301 (OP)
Not really doable in my case, ISP uplink is a 600Mbit DOCSIS, but the connection including public IP is bridged to my Mikrotik, so good enough.

>>105610680
>99.9% of people don't care about making a new subnet/vlan
ok, but i do. my home network is segmented because some devices are old and not updated, some devices are used by non techy people i don't trust, and i want everything isolated from everything else. i currently do this on my openwrt routers by subnetting, but maybe next time i'll try with vlans. if you're in this thread there's a 90% chance you're a networking schizo, and all networking schizos fall under that mythical .1% you're talking about

>>105614743
>openwrt
mostly targets "all in one" routers, ie tplink shitboxes and other older consumer grade routers, thus giving them a new lease on life. can be run on more powerful hardware like a pi, but its main focus is shitboxes
>pfsense
was the go to x86 (ie, real computer hardware) solution for routing. started to make decisions that weren't so open source or whatever, community opinion soured, and
>opnsense
was forked. i don't know much about it other than it's pfsense but open source. it can't run on shitboxes and requires decen hardware. i believe it has slightly more features than openwrt, but they can both do incredibly powerful things

>>105610534
You are definitely talking about Bunnings

>>105610301 (OP)
i buy cheap routers used for like 10$ each , dump the firmware , then race to find an rce. Been doing it for a while now. A little more challenging / fun than a ctf but still crazy easy to find a rce on them. Only 2 i havent been able to do were because i diddnt want to spend the money on a nand flash reader to dump firmware.

My ISP router is in bridge mode, plugged straight into my own- which is one of those ridiculous ASUS gaming router things (it's the one that looks like a headcrab).

I considered getting one of those Denverton boxes, eg.
>https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005006191730512.html
But being on FTTN with only 100 down/20 up, and also being behind my ISP's CGNAT and without any real need for a VPN, what I have is already more than enough.

>>105619047
Can't you use your own modem?

>>105617113
The internet at my apartment is based on G.fast so the router must support it and have a port for DSL as G.fast uses the phone line for short distances. The nearest I saw them dug fiber was across the street, guess they saved some money this way.

>>105610534
> No don't use that proprietary thing, use THIS one
big brain shit

>>105619995
Kek, I did that with an IP camera at some point, and I had an shell within a few minutes. It's almost as if they do it on purpose so that the Chinese glowies can hack into your network.
>diddnt want to spend the money on a nand flash reader
You should get one, they have gotten pretty cheap these days. You can also dump the firmware from the U-Boot shell although it's quite slow if you do it over serial.

>>105610583
It's not high latency. Not enough that it matters anyway. We regularly get in the 20s and 30s. Starlink installed at like a dozen sites.

It is faster and more reliable than any cellular based internet I have experienced, and actually is down less than several of our Spectrum sites that are on fiber.

I hate Elon but Starlink has been fucking great. It just works and never has issues.

>>105622548
It's high latency compared to fiber, it's relatively low latency compared to other wireless options, and better or similar latency to ancient DSL or DOCSIS copper connections.

>>105622571
Real world latency though? Not really much different than any of the fiber internet we have around here. Might be like a 10-20 ms difference but jitter is fairly low. You might get 15ms round trip on a good fiber connection around here, Starlink could be anywhere from 20s to 30s. That is completely fine for anything that fits within the bandwidth pipe.

>>105622606
Sure, but even "just" double the latency is a big difference for latency sensitive applications like online fast paced gaming.

I agree for the VAST majority of uses it wont matter, but lets not pretend that 10-15ms is the same as 20-30ms.

Something tells me my router isn't SUPER accurate in its bandwidth monitoring.

Unless my ISP secretly upgraded my connection to 150Gigabit

i haven't strictly replaced my ISP router with my openwrt router, just put it in between my ISP router and my devices
does that count
idek what to use my openwrt router for

>>105622644
>Unless my ISP secretly upgraded my connection to 150Gigabit
would be pretty sick if they did though

>buy Asussy RT-BE88U to replace my old TP-Link shitbox
>install custom AsusWRT-Merlin firmware for cool kid points
>week later
>wifi keeps shitting itself and forces me to do a daily wifi reset so my phone has connection again
>entire network starts regularly shitting itself and slowing down for no perceivable reason
>family is complaining that their networks are shitting themselves too despite being on completely separate LANs
>bandwidth monitor is showing absurd traffic from my router specifically that does not add up with all the other systems I have connected to it
>in fact the amount of traffic exceeds what my normal maximum download speeds
>put back old TP-Link again
>shit just works again
did a botnet infect it or something what the fuck

>>105622667
if you don't care about privacy or being able to set up vlans/subnets or use things like the adblocker package (which is roughly equivalent to a pihole), then there is no real use for it honestly
it gets updated more often probably, i guess

>>105621905
the nor flash are pretty cheap, nand you need to desolder from the board, plus you need a 150-200$ reader , and a ton of adapters to get the reader working with each chip.

>>105610301 (OP)
>Fiber? Bridge mode? What's that? 24x8 channels ought to be enough for anyone.
>*buys Southampton FC*
DRAGANEEEEEEEEEE WHERES MY FUCKING BRIDGE MODE DRAGANE MAMICU TI JEBEM ŽIDOVSKO SMRADINO!!!!!!
Fucker actually sold the ISP a few months ago tho kek.

>>105610301 (OP)
I got a microtik switch with a shitty AP mode netgear router off it.
Don't really use wifi for much, that's for my roommates.

>>105621351
I don't think they saved shit over full on GPON cause that doesn't need a fucking special snowflake DSLAM with a max 50 meters line length to be effective. It literally doesn't need active equipment period, a GPON distribution box is just mirrors. Cool stuff.

>>105620538
>have 100/20 VDSL straight outta 2013
>"hmmmm ye I think I need an ASUS Gayming Router"
>have 700/70 DOCSIS 3.0 (miracle it works as well as it does)
>the dualcore 600mhz MIPS routes this perfectly
Really nigger whatever you're doing you'd get by with an MT7621 happily. You could do full traffic shaping shit with one of those on that sort of slow.

>>105619995
Nigga why is yo ass talmbout "nand flash reader to dump firmware" shit? They be givin out bins fo' free on the manufacturer websites. Fake ass nigga right here be dead ass "oh I hack the real computers now dawg" but yo white ass ain't nevah seen the inside o' yo momma's tp-link.

I use the free Wi-Fi network in my apartment building. It gives me 6Mbps down. I don't need more. It can handle streaming in 4K, my voice & video calls, torrenting x265 encodes and browsing my favorite websites with ease

>>105616329
you should try out immortalwrt i get better performance with it than my chink router its probably got extra patches for yours also https://github.com/immortalwrt/immortalwrt

>>105610578
I will use all ubiquity once I move into my new place. They fill the poweruser niche between chinkshit like fritzbox and enterprise level hardware that requires a rack. They give you all the advanced features normie routers dont have. The web ui is clunky but it's fine. I also never used cloud stuff because you can just use the local web ui of the router to configure all devices.

Phoneposting with my cellular network

>>105628356
>MAMICU TI JEBEM ŽIDOVSKO SMRADINO!!!!!!
lel I understood that and I feel ya

>>105628605
>6Mbps
either you mean 6MB/s or your 4K streams have a terrible bitrate

>>105610680
Programming can be done as a hobby, so /g/ NEETs feel qualified to discuss it. Networking is boring shit, so even a bad networking thread like this one is better than the average /g/ thread.

>>105629135
know what you're buying yet or waiting until you've actually moved?

>>105631272
I only have a small edgerouter I use to test network stuff off-grid to go off. Probably a bigger edgerouter, a switch if I need it and an AP (those round ones I see everywhere).

>>105610301 (OP)
If you aren't part of a Chinese backdoor botnet, what are you doing with your life?

>>105616496
I work for a electricity network operators and had to do some smart meter installation to a /pol/tard/faceberg-boomer.
He was rambling about them being 5G and will be giving him cancer (it's LTE).
He took a some euro note, bent it and put it against a mirror.
>This is who rules the world, the eu.
The reflection was supposed to resemble Satan.
I could not make this shit up.
He also wanted to sue me for giving him cancer from his new electricity meter.

Maybe I should just do lineman work.

>>105631648
I wouldn't generally suggest an edgerouter unless you're going to be using the CLI for configuration, since most edgeOS features aren't accessible with the GUI interface.

If you're going to be using a GUI interface just buy a Unifi gateway/router, the Unifi Cloud Gateway Fiber (UCG-Fiber) or the Dream Router 7 (UDR7). UnifiOS isn't quite as robust as EdgeOS, but it still has the VAST majority of features you'd need on a home/prosumer network.


At the moment there is a massive price gap between the entry level Edgerouters (EdgerouterX, Edgerouter 6 PoE) at around $100-250 and the higher-end Edgerouters (Edgerouter Infinity). With the higher-end model which costs almost $2000.

The UCG-Fiber is $280 and has 2x SFP+ 10gbps, 1x 10GbE, and 4x 2.5GbE with no built-in wifi.
The UDR7 is $280 and has 1x SFP+ 10gbps, and 4x 2.5GbE but includes 2x2 Wifi 7 capabilities.

I know, but I need a network card that has SFP+ because I need to get rid of it completely. Keeping a modem and no router is hardly a win. Right? Or am I retarded?

>>105631788
wut?

>>105631798
I agree it's gay to use ISP spyware as router. Its a modem router combo. Just using it in bridge mode is hardly a win. I want to get rid of this spybox completely. So how do I do it. My ISP is pretty lineant on the device and is even helpful in lots of ways. So what do I do?

ITT: "tech people" that use the term modem and router interchangeably and refuse to learn the difference

never change /g/

>>105631830
I just don't understand where SFP+ comes into play here.


Is it even a modem or is it an ONT and you just don't know the difference?

>>105631847
Or modem when they mean ONT

>>105631830
most isp websites have a page with a list of compatible modems that you can bring yourself. If they're hard to get you can usually buy them from some retired isp mechanic on ebay.

or look up what specs or requirements they have in common and find a different modem with similar specs, but that's not a guarantee and can easily go wrong

>>105631737
Does the UCG-FIber (Unify Cloud Gateway) have a shitty name or what is that cloud stuff about?

If it's just a router it looks nice. I need to look into CPU and RAM because my torrenting causes *a lot* of connections with just a few Kbit/s each, and that's my current bottleneck with the shitty old fritzboxes.

>>105631862
It has gpon. So I need either that or a SFP+ with the gpon module right? I'm a bit retarded, so please be patient with me.

>>105631847
>router
That's a funny term for managed switch / wireless AP / firewall combo appliance. Getting bent out of shape about consumer appliance names is dumb. Vendors just make things up as they go. It's a modem because only retards use the other parts. The end.

>>105631901
All PON technology uses ONTs, not modems.

Maybe if you're a non-english speaker your ISP just calls it a modem, but it isn't one.

And yes, if your ISP is using an ONT/Router combo, you most likely would need an SFP GPON module, and then clone the MAC address of the ISP's ONT.

>>105631899
The cloud stuff just means it runs a local application that allows you to log into it remotely for configuration or network monitoring.


Not sure how much torrenting you do, but I've had no issues with a few hundred torrents on the UDR7 which uses a worse CPU than the UCG-Fiber.

UCG-Fiber uses a 4 core cortex-A73 at 2.2 GHz with 3GB of RAM
UDR7 uses a 4 core cortex-A53 at 1.5 GHz with 3GB of RAM.

They're both designed for multi-gigabit WAN and should be capable of routing even small packets at multi-gigabit speeds.

>>105631862
There's an entire forum here dedicated to amateur networks where people figure out how to clone ISP ONT's using Leox LXT-010S-H, which is an SFP+ ONT that in theory can mimic any ONT there is. It's all down to figuring out what to put into the config to fool the ISP into believing it's their ONT so it all just works.

>>105631957
If you want to be extremely anal, a "router" is a modem, router, managed switch, WAP, and a firewall all in one, depending on what "router" you buy. Or you can say "SOHO router" which kinda implies it's an AIO device of that type. Like my hAP ax3, which despite being a home router has shit like BGP and goes from "off" to "fully operating" in 40 seconds which is something 99% of SOHO routers struggle with.

>>105631964
Danke senpai, so, it's not a modem got it, so I need to find a nic and a good low power PC. Any ideas on finding low power PC that can take a nic?

Are there any good routers that aren't constantly dying from overheating? Mine dies like 1-3 times per day during summer.

>>105631992
Can't you just get a UCG-Fiber and use this module?

https://www.fs.com/de/products/133619.html

https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/cloud-gateways-compact/collections/cloud-gateway-fiber/products/ucg-fiber


This reddit post from a month ago claims it works no problem.

>>105631998
how hot is the ambient temp where your router is?

>>105631998
Have a look at Mikrotik's offerings. Granted, I'm a biased fanboy of theirs but their shit's reliable and rock solid in my experience, not to mention the shit you can do with RouterOS, and if you want OpenWRT is an option.

Usually when a router shits itself is because it's some cheapo chinkshit piece of shit that can barely handle basic loads, which is something you won't experience even with a cheapo base model like the hEX E50UG. They're all rated up to 70C so unless you live in a desert then you should be fine.

>>105632038
hEX S is already getting user reports about shutting down from overheating when using an SFP module, and it's SUPPOSEDLY rated for 70C ambient temps, which is clearly a lie if they're overheating from an SFP module since they usually run under 45C even under load.

>>105610533
>guest network
>traffic prioritization (or limiting) by port, or by IP
so you have several friends visiting all the time using your wifi? I don't believe it

>>105632024
40C in my bedroom, no I can't put it anywhere else because of the cables and outlets
>>105632038
Thanks I will look into it

My ISP does not have this problem.
However, you can get a 10% discount on router hardware if you buy one through them, they mainly sell ASUS and TP-LInk however.

>>105632066
>when using an SFP module
So it's an SFP issue, not an ambient temp issue. Different SFP modules have different heat output levels, but if anon just wants a basic router then the SFP heat isn't a concern. I'm sure it is one for Mikrotik engineers though. And again, it could be that anon lives in a fucking desert where 80C is a norm, or he has a shitty router that shits the bed if it hits 35C from handling one wired client and two wireless clients.

Also, 70C ambient and 45C surface are two different things. Warm up your oven to 200C and stick your hand in it. Doesn't feel like 200C is sizzling your flesh, now does it?

>>105632097
Friends and family, I host dinners.

>>105610301 (OP)
based

>>105632115
>40C in my bedroom,
What the hell man. How do you even live like this?

>>105632205
You get used to that after a while

>>105632116
That VLAN ID requirement is kinda weird. What's the reasoning there?

>>105632385
PPPoE from ISP's tends to be weird like that. Mine uses VLAN 35 for Internet so I have to bind the PPPoE client to that to get it going.

>>105632396
Fair enough, my ISP just uses DHCP with no authentication

>>105632461
Yeah DHCP is way easier like that. Just set up a DHCP client and it just werks. With PPPoE you need to set up your login, password, authentication, VLANs and other bullshit.

>>105632486
I mean, at least they let you use your own gear, just limited due to needing both PPPOE and VLAN ID configuration. But better than telling you that you can ONLY use their equipment.

>>105632502
If your gear can't support both PPPoE and VLAN then it's really fucking limited and you've wasted your money. I used cheap TP-LINK VDSL routers more than a decade ago that supported that configuration, completely skipped out on ISP hardware.

>>105632518
VLANs are still a feature you won't always get on a router.

>>105632530
Still, what kind of garbage do you buy that doesn't have it? Cheap TP-Links have it, OpenWRT has it, and if you actually want to buy something proper like Mikrotik/Ubiquiti then they definitely have it.

>>105628386
But they'd have to pull the fiber into each apartment of each building around that spot, that's like over a hundred apartments or something. I don't think they did any installing at our building now other than brought the cheapest shitty ass G.fast routers for each flat and plugged them in.
Before this it was cable internet which cost twice as much for me and was half the speed so I don't need to complain too much.

I don't like spending money for no reason.
cox fiber router reaches all the way across my 3200sqft house and up to the next level, so for what purpose.

>>105632530
On routers which “don’t” support it, you just go into the IPTV section and configure the port ID there. Works identically.
>>105632385
>>105632396
>>105632461
Required by CityFibre, even on ISPs which use DHCP. On BT FTTP I think it’s VLAN 101 or something.
>>105632502
It’s just my ISP using their existing PPPoE infrastructure rather than changing everything over, they’ve been around a long time.

Any affordable 2.5g router with SFP+ for home usage? Something mikrotik?

>>105632991
Depends what you consider affordable, and how many SFP+ ports you need.

Ubiquiti has the Dream Router 7 which has a single SFP+ port that can be either LAN or WAN, and 4x 2.5GbE ports.
They also have the UCG-Fiber which has 2x SFP+ ports (and a 10GbE port) all 3 ports can be configured as either WAN or LAN, and then another 4x 2.5GbE ports.

The Dream router 7 has Wifi, the UCG-Fiber doesn't.

Both are $280.


The closest Mikrotik has is a router with 1x SFP+, 1x 2.5GbE, and then 7x 1GbE ports, and it costs $220.

>>105610301 (OP)
Let me know when Comcast Communications allows modems without DOCSIS.

>>105633063
One sfp+ for wan and one 2.5g for switch, the rest are useless. The mikrotik will work? Anything cheaper? Mikrotik looks OK to me.

The amount of wasted cash to find out the proper way to get fiber working to your custom modem and bypass the ISP one is ridiculous. I'm glad there's people doing all the research work for me.
Can't even buy the proper modem with sfp+ input anyway because somehow it's some shitty polish company that only sells them on bulk order and via bank transfer only.

>>105610578
I'll be honest I've been looking into Ubiquity because it looks pretty slick and user-friendly while being fairly powerful.

>>105632991
>Something mikrotik?
Probably, something like RB5009. But you only get one 2.5G port on that. Though if you want 2.5G for your LAN then it would be wiser to get a 2.5G switch instead.
>>105633127
LeoLabs are doing God's work, all because one guy got fed up with how shit ISP's are. Shame all of Marcin's talks don't have subtitles because he was speaking some truth in them. I wish him and his company all the best in tard wrangling ISP's all over the world to have some common sense when it comes to ONT's.
https://youtu.be/7kcGnT-dYW4

>>105633167
And yes in case you're wondering the LEOX LXT-010S-H is available domestically for ~$86.1 a pop on wisp.pl. Maybe if you got a bro in Poland he could try and ship one to you.

>>105633124
>the rest are useless

IDK, personally I'd spend $60 more on Ubiquiti so i have a 10GbE and SFP+ 10Gbps ports for my LAN, a NAS directly attached on one port and a switch for the rest of my LAN on the other.

Also if you actually have 2.5Gbps internet, 2.5GbE will be a hinderance, it can barely do 2200mbps without latency spikes out the ass. Moving to 10GbE and 10gbps SFP+ solved the latency problems for me.

>>105614081
>>105614081
All TP-Link routers have backdoors out the ass.
Like publicly known backdoors your average skiddie could look up at any to pwn you.
They make that shit leaky on purpose for CCP spying.
Get a non ching chong wifi 7 router.
They exist but are buried under chinkshit SEO spam.

Note: cloudflare jannies didn’t like this post, kek.

>>105633571
>Get a non ching chong wifi 7 router.
Unifi U7?

>>105633580
They're a US company that manufactures in both China and Vietnam (most of their assembly is done in Vietnam over the last few years).

So better than TP-Link which is wholly Chinese owned/operated and manufactured in china.

>>105632873
>But they'd have to pull the fiber into each apartment of each building around that spot, that's like over a hundred apartments or something. I don't think they did any installing at our building now other than brought the cheapest shitty ass G.fast routers for each flat and plugged them in.
I get that, still would be a small difference probably. Plain GPON hardware is cheap as shit now.
>Before this it was cable internet which cost twice as much for me and was half the speed so I don't need to complain too much.
Bruh what 24x8 d3.0 does 1000/100 which is about what G.fast does as well. Sounds like your cable ISP is exceptionally retarded. I mean most of them are.

>>105633127
>dump pppoe creds from ont router combo unit
>write them into your own shit
pretty easy actually

>>105633983
>all ISPs operate exactly the same as my ISP

>>105633983
The way people do it for my ISP is spoof their new ont with the serial number of the modem because that's what used to auth you on the first hop.

>>105610680
You are a retarded gorilla nigger and should not come close to a PC. The network is probably the most important aspect of the whole internet thing and you are content being assraped by a chink botnet device handed to you by a retarded ISP company.

>>105634653
>The network is probably the most important aspect of the whole internet thing
You know, besides Tier 1 ISP's being able to arbitrarily cut you off from being on the Internet with no one to hold them liable yeah, networking quite literally is the backbone of the Internet, and the Internet is the backbone of everything else. It's also a field that requires physical work to connect everything so if there's an IT field that's somewhat AI proof, it's gonna be networking, and setting up your own home router and homelab is a good place to start.

my ISP hired a bunch of customer support jeets who are trained to have no idea what I'm talking about when I tell them I want to activate my own modem to use my own router on their service, or worse if I do have to use their provided modem+router 2-in-1 device, they have no idea what I'm talking about when I say I want to activate bridge mode on it so I can hook up my own router to it
took me 2 full hours of hanging up to get someone who actually wasn't a piece of shit and knew what they were talking about
hate monopolies, lucky I'm able to do this shit at all honestly. can't imagine how frustrating it is for those less fortunate
>just switch
yeah to who? they're the only wired ISP in the area
fuck off "Starlink" or "{Phone Carrier} 5G Home Internet" I'm not paying more for worse performance

>>105628532
only some companies do this, and not all of their products. cable modems generally they dont release firmware.

>>105610564
>Port forwarding/DMZ usually just doesn't work on ISP routers though, which is the worst thing about them a lot of the time
Just call their support and ask them to disable cgnat on your line. I did it and now I can port forward and use ddns and host whatever I want

>>105634939
not all ISPs do that, i'd even say MOST ISPs wouldn't let you just "opt out" of CGNAT, at least not without paying money. My ISP thankfully doesn't use CGNAT at all, but many CGNAT IPs charge a fee for a static IP address allocation, or only allow it on a business account which tends to cost 2-3x as much if not more.

>>105610301 (OP)
Computer networking is the most retarded sloppy field of computing. Do you have any recomendations for a good router. And how do you install open wrt and connect it to main network.

>>105634653
No it isn't. Just assume it's always hostile and it literally doesn't matter what the network topology looks like unless you need working service discovery without a hosted registry.

bump

I tried openwrt on my router the other day, it was slow as shit. I only got 160Mbps vs 500Mbps on the stock firmware

>>105610485
Why would anyone need VLANs for a home network?

>>105638459
when openwrt says they support a device it can mean almost anything.
you can have a broadcom or realtek soc in which case supported means the board boots and you can get to the webui or you can have a mt7621,mt7628,filogic-based board which are at feature parity with oem bsps.

>>105638500
Lol

Lmao even