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Previous: >>105623066

>slave general
You and your kind should not be tolerated. Stop working for the enemy

I am overwhelmed by my hatred of everything. I hate myself for allowing things to reach this point. Why haven't I gone for the gusto? Why am I still working for the man?

>>105636927
I'm still working so I can buy more motorcycles and go on trips to different countries. Couldn't care less about work outside of what it can afford me.

How do you guys even remember shit after returning to work from vacations?

>>105636842
Ever heard of golden handcuffs? No one wants to lose their economic status and privileges.

>>105637023
>Going to use the best years of my life slaving away for paper they print unlimited amounts of
>going to turn around and give it all back when I'm old and terrified of dying
Great plan bro.

Meanwhile I've never worked a taxable income. I have lots of land and toys in a trust like richfags. I own nothing on paper and I'm happy.

>>105637034
Does Chipotle let you pay for your burrito bowl with the toys in your trust?

>>105637049
I don't eat garbage fast food filled with meat from dead nigger babies. I eat fresh eggs from my chickens, or chicken from my chickens, or beef from local farm, or deer which I call my mobile meat freezers.

I don't own a business. I own a 501(c) non-profit which pays no taxes. I am on the "staff". I get a 100% tax free salary. The Government pays me $2k every time I move some sand around with my tractor thanks to farmer gibs. Which is also in the trust. Which I control. Which can not be taken away from me, sued or taxed.

You are a debt slave. You work for the enemy. Nothing you say has any value.
>>105637023
>status and privileges.
You have no status. You are a slave. You have no privileges. You are a slave.

I am free. I have freedom. Nothing is stopping you from having it as well. Other than you slave mentality.

>>105637071
Everything you've described just sounds like a job with extra steps. I'd rather just code for a living and be able to retire at 40 while you have to keep slaving away on your chicken farm till the day you die

>>105637034
>I've never worked a taxable income.
So, what do you do?

>I have lots of land
Are you a landlord?

>>105637071
I also own land. Was planning to move but life happened...

>I eat fresh eggs from my chickens, or chicken from my chickens, or beef from local farm, or deer which I call my mobile meat freezers.
Isn't farm work kind of enslaving? You have to work all week long.

lmao people are still wasting their lives working jobs in this shit field?

>>105637023
>How do you guys even remember shit after returning to work from vacations?
i usually take short notes in markdown files for everything that takes a longer ammount of time

>>105637071
good for you

How can I slowly move to software from a manufacturing engineering role? Like, physical manufacturing. Was thinking of just picking 2-3 languages and grinding them 30-60 minutes a day each for a year or two while getting certs or a degree on the side.

learn a trade

should I always add a cover letter? if yes is a general cover letter enough or do I need to adapt it for every application?

>>105636835 (OP)
This guy seems chill

is going for devops / linux sys admin type of jobs viable in the age of ai
then again what is

>>105637197
Refreshed the page and forgot to attach the pic

Today for lunch I had a big burrito at the Microsoft cafeteria and it was..... pretty good! I went to the stand that was their knock-off Chipotle. It wasn't quite as good as the real thing, but still delicious. I also had chips and guac and they were good too. A while back, I had a burrito from visiting "local" vendor and it was awful. I'm glad this one was better.
I'm gonna miss these food options when I get laid off

>>105637111
I can tell you that tech companies that use contract manufacturers like Foxconn may have quite a bit of software to manage the manufacturing processes at those sites, even though the tech company (customer of Foxconn) themselves don't own the majority of the manufacturing machines/stations. Do with that information what you will

>>105637218
I took a giant oger shit into your burrito

>insurance company
>~1,000 user system
>any user can search insurance policies
>colleague mentions in slack that viewing policies was slow for them
>colleagues check to replicate the issue, all good, some say search was a "little slow"
>manager calls the first colleague, and 3 other colleagues who said the search was slow
>receive 16-minute lecture from manager to not do large searches because it can impact the system, and that in fact we should not be checking for issues on production because "if there's an issue then we'll hear about it"
>manager ends call with "anyway I'm not pointing fingers or anything :)"
>first colleague mentions to me privately they won't bring up issues in team slack anymore

my manager is insane
if the UI search is such a large potential issue how about implementing a proper search that won't be slowed by a couple of individuals

I can’t stop seething over my product manager coworkers. It used to be the case that at least they would do a small bit of work by transcribing what I would say into a user story, but because that’s a pain in the ass and they always fuck up my team just creates the stories ourselves now. So now besides running standup I see zero point of having a product person on our team yet they earn close to what I make for basically no work. Why aren’t product fags impacted by layoffs? It’s the biggest grift in the industry right now.

>inb4 erm devs can’t work with customers

My team only works on internal services

>>105638078
Also if you say that we need pms because devs don’t have social skills kys you aspie retard

>>105637218
>knock-off Chipotle

>>105638083
I love having PMS

>>105638078
Devs can have social skills for sure. They're probably also most focused on the technical nature of an issue. Support roles like a business analyst or whatever help balance that with a business or customer view. Why bother the developer with all this soft business stuff?

>>105638114
Because you’re a dumb product whore

why are HR roasts so obsessed with "boolean search"? do they think they're the first ones to realize you can put quotes or plus signs in a search bar?

>>105638122
In an ideal world that is how it should be but in practice product and “support” are heavily dependent on devs who have proper understanding of the domain and actual product to set the direction that the business will follow and what features customers need. I can only see product being effective in doing market research and constantly getting customer feedback about how to make a UI better but I have yet to see a single product person who is capable of doing this.

Devs be like "why is HR always talking about Boolean search" haha those guys...

>>105637193
Yes. Just general. It gets checked by the system and keyword-matched, but absolutely nobody reads it

>>105637111
Step 1: wait 20 years for the market to fix itself
Step 2: get a degree. There are no software certs.
Step 3: hope you're still in your 20s by then because ageism is real

>>105637086
Farm work is fuckall and you only work some seasons if you do it right. Chickens rake 20 minutes to take care of every few days. Horses take about 2h per horse per day. Growing food is about 1h per day depending on what you're growing, per acre outside sowing. Very easy labor as well, the hardest is setting up the trees if you treefarm and getting the hay up in your barn if you keep animals that need that kind of amount.

>>105638149
There are two other problems. First, in practice, product and support have less soft skills than devs, because second, competent devs haven't been allowes in the workplace in forever as only social skills have mattered for decades to get past hr roasties and pajeet "tech" interviewers who literally can't code

>>105637111
If you have a degree in engineering some places still appreciate that (though the market's in shambles so no guarantees).

>>105638332
>wait 20 years
Good way to keep yourself out of the industry. Entry level software jobs probably won't exist in 20 years.

>>105638375
seething

>>105638532
Poo in loo pajeet

>>105638507
There aren't any entry level jobs right now, retard

>>105638672
There are some but not many.

>>105638687
"5 ywars of experience required" is not entry level regardless of what the title says, inbred

>>105636835 (OP)
> "combat" function at ministry of defense doing something data related
>4500 euros a month maximum

> non combat function in data at ministry of defense
> 8500 euros a month maximum

Why do combat functions pay so shit? Country is Netherlands btw.

Why are working and living conditions ALWAYS getting worse?

>>105638375
The social skill that does matter is the ability to engage with management about what they want.

> "I just do w.e the product owner / architect asks without questioning"

This is a way to disengage from the org and always leads to worse quality. But it's 2025 were the most important quality is equality.

>>105638756
I have seen listings for dev jobs that require no experience, in 20 years those wont exist.

>>105638812
Why pay a man well if you're intending to kill him?

thank god for grok writing the cover letters for me. no idea why they even bother anymore

>sudden death deadline of 10 days of having to tardwrangle 100 users into a manual migration

>>105638844
Why is EVERYTHING ALWAYS getting worse?

>>105638812
with €8500 you are part of the 1% in europe

>>105638938
personally i blame techbros for everything. instead of looking at what is, they focus too much on implementing the trendy tech du jour at the cost of everything else. straight up "baww we got the bad dystopia :( :( but we can fix it :) :)" torment nexus shit

>>105639690
Techbros aren't doing that. Their managers are.

>>105639749
the managers are themselves techbros.

how tf do i automate my tasks if nobody here uses any automation tools? I can make scripts yeah, but I don't know if it's kosher. If I ask bossman if I can, he'll KNOW and then I'll get this added to my job responsibility with even more retarded asks. If I ask IT, they're fucking JEETS and all they do is just twiddle with their thumbs and go uhhhhh noo sirrr you cannot sirrr its not allowed sirrrr

what the fucking fuck. I've just been learning this on my lots of spare time and I've automated and created a bunch of tools our team can use and I wanna add it to my portfolio (all of this stuff is pretty "SaaS reliant as in it'll do get calls to our SaaS but it has no specific company info except for the oAuth stuff that I can easily remove) but I can't think of a way to transfer this to my personal PC. I can recode it sure, but that's so much fucking work to just rewrite everything I've made. I can email myself but that may raise some flags.

>>105640024
I guess it depends on your definitions, because they're mba types who've never programmed in their life.

>>105640109
>hurr how do I violate my contract publicly without my employer knowing durr
retard

>>105640109
>If I ask IT, they're fucking JEETS and all they do is just twiddle with their thumbs and go uhhhhh noo sirrr you cannot sirrr its not allowed sirrrr

Based. They sit and drink together while you're niggerworking for them.

>>105640312
>>105640257
you people give the most flipflop advice i'd ever see
>ask that im bored at work wtf do I do
>just automate your work and self learn
>do just that
>uhhh lol whyd you do that stupid
what the fuck is wrong with you people man

>>105640395
Of course we give flipflop advice. That's because everyone says what they think. If you want a hivemind, go to reddit.

My honest opinion is that work is fuck. I have a WFH arrangement, which means I spend like an hour maybe two actually working, and the rest is just dicking around at my house. Amazing.

Of course someone else might give you different advice. And honestly, probably neither option is actually applicable to your personal situation.

>>105640439
wait that doesn't really help me though, so how the hell do I move my "work projects" into personal stuff? just recode it back to my personal pc?

seems like the safest.

>>105640456
If you're hellbent on doing this, honestly I would implement it again from scratch. You'll improve your original design.

How do you hide burn out at work? At home, it's fine, except in voice calls but on the days where I'm RTO, everything just annoys and pisses me off. I'll try to remain amicable but I have the biggest "......ok" to everything. I can't really fake enthusiasm and desu anytime someone starts a shit fit with work before I used to try to help but now I'll just try to leave and not even deal with it anymore.
They ask for my thoughts and there's really no point in asking me since they don't really take my feedback so I just nod and agree with whatever they say. I don't raise anything up anymore, I just do what they ask me and just go back to my desk but damn bros the depressed and suicidal thoughts just keep coming while I'm staring at my monitor.

>>105640519
Unfortunately there's no advice other than "suck it up". Maybe try to do all your work on RTO days, so that WFH days are effectively off.

>>105640395
You were supposed to automate your work so that you cpuld pretend to do 8h of work while actually just running a script to do it for you, and you were supposed to self-learn as in get certs or get in shape to apply to a better job while pretending your at-work side-projects nobody knows about are actually important business critical applications.
It's not rocket science so why the fuck are you now so obsessed with getting yourself sued for no reason

>>105640541
Hah that's what I'm doing but I'll usually clear out things in 3-4 hours then just go back to death starring at my monitor. I'm trying not to be the grumpy Emmet but I'm surrounded by my boss who keeps throwing vague shit to me and expects me to make it work, a coworker that almost every minor inconvenience is the end of the world (and he has such a tendency to make things into such a huge deal), our stakeholders and end users also have this tone as well. I'm trying to remain cool but every fucking minute it could be OH NO THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS DOWN OMG OH NO!!!! oh wait I just had to restart my VPN. Mix that in with we're still having layoffs and I have like no motivation to do anything anymore. It's not cool of me for sure but holy fuck I'm at a point where God I hope nuclear war does happen. Not like work gives me the time to work on the things I really love.

>>105640595
THATS WHAT IM FUCKING ASKING YOU DIP. HOW DO YOU AUTOMATE YOUR WORK IN A KOSHER WAY WHEN YOUR COMPANY IS OLD SKOOL AF? MOTHER FUCK YOURE SAYING EXACTLY WHAT IM DOING BUT IM ASKING YOU HOW EXACTLY DO I ARCHIVE THIS DAMN BITCH

Do you believe when someone from a shithole eastern European country says they're getting paid normal western EU/USA salary working remotely? Why would a US company hire someone from Russia if they were not trying to save cost?

>>105640636
No. Obvious larp.

I'm so tired of being a wagie, should've stayed a freelancer, it had its own issues but at least no office politics. Anyone here managed to go back to freelancing after wagecucking?

Why do I need 10+ years of experience to get a job with a decent salary? I have 5 years of experience and a masters and know more than most of my colleagues but only get paid 65k euro a year. Thats fucking dogshit in 2025. I need 120k minimum in this economy. I need another decade until I can finally buy a house in this economy. I'll be moving out of my parents house when I'll be in my late 30s. This is not fucking normal.

>>105640886
You mean actual freelancer or contractor? I don't know how you could make a living nevermind a decent income from being a freelancer unless you're in the 1% like someone who is famous and charges 500 an hour.

>>105641036
I'm ESL and not sure what you mean with freelancer/contractor. I used to work for companies and charge them a daily rate, back I could make around 10k euros a month on good months.

Has AI changed your work?

Our general manager told us to learn more about RHEL AI as they plan to use it in a future and we were also told to study to get a AWS AI Practitioner Certification (which they will pay).

>one of the richest people in history
>name is Jeff Kisses
Is this dude for real?

I'm blowing off work and getting paid, fuck work.

>>105641109
My company wants to try Copilot and I hate the idea.
More "productivity" squeezed out from us without any increase in pay or decrease in working hours.
The NPCs in my team are happy about it, though.

>>105641158
is this getting more common or is it just me? this anon btw >>105640519

guess i'm working from home the rest of the week
can't show up looking like this

I don't frequent this general, and I swear I'm not larping or trying to humblebrag. I have been applying to a few companies, mostly AI startups, and received a few verbal offers. The TC range for some of them seems very high, so much so that it surprised me. The highest was 325k salary, 125k signing bonus, 250k equity.

I do have a pretty good resume; several years at FAANG, good school, some open source projects. But still, how are these companies able to offer so much? At FAANG I was making like 270k total on a good year. I was under the impression that startups pay you way less, but you get some equity, so you're basically gambling on whether that part ends up worth anything years down the line. But no, apparently the salary alone mogs my previous TC. Am I just completely out of touch, and investors have been throwing so much money at AI slop companies that they can offer these kinds of compensation packages?

I've neglected my job to the point where literally my entire time spent all yesterday trying to figure out how the fuck my broken code works but I'M SHIPPING MY SIDE PROJECT!

I'm about to claw my way out of employment hell.

>>105638350
>burrito
anon... do you know how many hours do we tech """workers""" actually work?

also, again, you work all week. we don't.

>apply to Spotify. Rejected.
>apply to Spotify. Rejected.
>apply to Spotify. Rejected.
>apply to Spotify, as a black transgender woman
Just got prescreen invite today.

What do I do now bros?

>expected workload: 60 hours a week
I’m tired boss

I've started applying, looking to change companies. Remote because I live in a 3rd world country. How cooked am I?

>>105641569
put on some black face and use the hard R.

>>105641569
sue them for discrimination

>>105641275
$250k is still pretty poor in the Bay Area, you were underpaid at Faang. The salaries really got crazy in general after Covid and now they are using AI as an excuse for outsourcing to drag them back down.

>>105641569
fake it till you make it. become the transgender woman

>image
I'm out of the loop, is meta showing like all of people's meta ai searches or something?

>>105641275
>But still, how are these companies able to offer so muc
venture capital money

>>105641780
kind of. from what I've read, Meta made a new app, meta.ai, that has an odd UI. people click on a "share" button that doesn't tell you to WHOM their messages will be shared with, and apparently users kept sharing private chats. turns out, those messages were shared openly to the whole internet in the Discover feed:
https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-ai-public-discover-feed-warning-fix-personal-info-privacy-2025-6
this article says they added a new warning message to users:
>The new warning message, which was visible Monday, shows up after you hit "share" on a chat in the Meta AI app. The message says, "Prompts you post are public and visible to everyone. Your prompts may be suggested by Meta on other Meta apps. Avoid sharing personal or sensitive information."

>After that warning, the "Post to feed" button is disabled until you tap once more on the middle of the screen. Only then can you post to the public Discover feed.

>>105641867
>that post
grim. hope they're okay. sounds like their daughter used their money

>>105640629
No, that is not whar you're asking. You're asking how to get street cred by publishing the infra-specific scripts you wrote for your business publicly.
Get a grip.

>>105641017
I make 50k and had enough saved to buy a house after 9 months. The problem is you.

>>105641975
Lmao you definitely don’t live in the first world or got inheritance

>>105641050
bad larp is bad

>>105641275
yeah it's a meme I've been talking about for a while. Startups tend to pay more than fagman because they have vc money to spend to show growth and have to get good profiles to make the company look valuable.
That said you can't be white if you're receiving offers. My profile is 100x better than yours and I don't get interviews. Recruiters reach out fine so the resume is good.

>>105641547
I am a tech worker. Except the diversity workers, it's 70-80 hour workweeks and oncall rotation is common.
Farming is basically playing with your animals and relaxing while tending to the plants. You also have to cut the grass and vacuum your house while off work, it's no different in spirit except it yields produce in the end. Oh I forgot, you live in a 2'x2' shitbox that you wouldn't be able to afford to own within the next 4 decades because you enjoy the hustle and bustle of the big city so you wouldn't know about basic household maintenance.

>>105641985
Totally bro I inherited 9 months of work at a worse salary than you.
Meds, now.
Do less.drugs and you won't have your prpblems.

>>105640519
bump

>>105642010
I guess that makes sense. I've been just coasting for a while and I suppose all my knowledge about startups is out of date, plus I probably was underpaid.
>That said you can't be white if you're receiving offers. My profile is 100x better than yours and I don't get interviews.
I'm white as hell and it is no problem. That being said, my resume is probably better than you're assuming, I just didn't go into details. Top 5 school for master's ML, research papers, multiple 1000+ stars AI related Github projects.

>>105642046
>I am a tech worker. Except the diversity workers, it's 70-80 hour workweeks and oncall rotation is common.
lol. you are one of those who does the work for the rest of the team. I bet you get paid scraps. that's a path YOU chose.
meanwhile, I audit shit and only takes me a few days a week, some hours a day at most.

I'm tired of getting tickets from directors. They always have weird shit and ask me questions way above my pay grade. Also, female directors are fucking idiots.

>>105642046
As long as you are not expecting to be recognized/appreciated for your exceptional work, there is nothing wrong with this

I am employed. The job is reasonably comfy but I'm feeling pretty terrible about it. My manager is starting to get on my nerves. I'm thinking about quitting. How does the market look? I know market sucks these days. I have about 2 years in the company now. I don't think I can handle another year. I do think money is key but fuck money if I feel like shit every single day. This is my first job so I don't know. Maybe it's all like that.
Should I just push through. Pay is decent. I think it's def market average to high tier in my thirdie land for someone with 2 years.

My boss is making sweeping changes to improve productivity
>Confluence is out -> SharePoint is in
>No more weekly PRs -> Monthly PRs instead
>No more unit tests, waste of time
>login cookies reset every 24 hours (including Slack on desktop + phone); require 3FA each time

i'm scared

>>105638427
>>105638332
I have a degree in aerospace engineering. I'm working on a computer science degree slowly while working my regular job. I know the market is really trash right now but I think it will probably rebound in a few years by the time I might actually look for something. I just want to start the process now.

>I will be 26, almost 27 by the time I finish grad school
fucking end me

>>105641275
The AI bubble is going to pop so hard lmao
Look at Open AI, they offer 2M over 4 years in "equity" to some engineers.

>>105642569
Meta is offering 100M for ai engineers
Meta also just paid 15B for scale ai

Either they find a use case for ai quickly or the bubble pop will be world ending

>>105642593
the world is already ending with everyone living on loans and debt.

>>105642593
I see that more as meta trying to hinder other AI companies than meta trying to build their own AI.

>>105642206
Always be looking but the market is complete shit right now. Don't quit your job without something else lined up unless your boss is molesting you or something. You can easily be unemployed for 1-2 years if unlucky.

>>105636835 (OP)
The application I work on has a decently sized development team of around 50 engineers broken into 5 teams but there are other applications within the company. Everyone is a full stack engineer, we write our own SQL procedures, do our own database changes, we fix our own bugs, we maintain our own services, we check our own logs, we test our own stuff, deploy our code locally, in the dev site and the QA site before sending it off to prod, we hotfix any bug fixes into the last 3 releases, and we manage our own pipelines.
I've been told that this is not normal. Apparently some places have devops engineers...who are meant to maintain pipelines that almost never change and must do so without any real knowledge of what the team is working on. Are these places constantly updating and adding so many new pipelines that they require an entire engineer dedicated to them, let alone an entire team.
QA "engineers" testing changes they never worked on, which is...clicking buttons I guess.
We do have a few leading front end engineers in certain teams that carry the CoP and approve the PRs for any shared component library changes. We have a platform team across the business that helps improve the developer experience and create/maintain/update standard libraries so that our teams can do more and better stuff but that's it. Some places have database engineers?
So what, let's say I'm a back end engineer, if I need a new SQL procedure as part of a new feature request I'll need to raise a ticket for a database engineer? I need to make a separate ticket for a front end engineer to try make my thing look the way I want it to. I might even need a dedicated guy writing tests for code he never wrote before a QA guy gives it the stamp of approval.
WTF
I can push a bug fix out within an hour, this would take days. A feature would take weeks. Are other companies really this inefficient?

>>105642443
Same. I accidentally became an important person at work. I do 70% of the work on a 4 man team.
>>105640519
What exactly burnt you out? I spent the first few months trying different stuff out before picking what I liked the most. It's fun, I'm good at it and I enjoy it. There are weeks where I'm laser focused and wired, and weeks where I am a bit more chill, listening to podcasts, away from my desk every half an hour. I still get all the necessary tasks out but the ability to fluctuate on my effort has probably prevented me from ever burning out.

>>105642812
>Everyone is a full stack engineer
It's over before it began lmfao

>>105642512
tfw pushing 30 and dropped out of grad school

>>105640636
It's never the equivalent US salary for the position, but like 80-100k gross a year is an insane amount of money for an Eastern European and possible if you are very competent and have a network. Doubt there are many people making 150k a year or whatever.

>>105642178
Top 3 schools, PhD, over 1200 citations in published papers, a research patent, multiple complex public deep learning projects though only 135 stars combined, 5 yoe including fagman.
Sit down, junior.

I'm enjoying my day off.

>>105642179
ok pajeet, good for you. I am not one of those boomers who opened the door for you so no, I did not choose this

>>105642485
If you're working on a degree at the same.time then as you surmise, when the market hopefully turns around you ahould be good. Your main challenge will be ageism and "being overly qualified".

>>105642593
it's fake news. First, it was 100m TOTAL POOL FOR ALL HIRES COMBINED second there was no proof.

>>105643136
eurochads eating good today

Should I apply to this internal job offer for senior cloud engineer? i really want to try but the catch is that i have been working here for barely 3 months at a devops, and before that i worked for 1 year and a half in automation.
Obviously i don't have enough YOE to be a senior but I think it's worth a try. I'm only afraid it might reflect negatively on me by making them think that I only worked here for 3 months and I'm already trying to apply for something else (even though it's not unrelated).

>>105643141
>I did not choose working 70+ hours a week
weren't you the one arguing that farm life is FAR easier than tech work? if not, did you even follow the discussion? the original argument was that tech workers won't stop working well paid jobs even if the work itself is unethical just because someone tells them to.

it's been 3 months since I last had an in-person conversation with another person, it was at an in-person work meeting

>>105640519
I did play bing bing wahoo until I felt that I'm wasting my time.
>There's even no more social aspect to modern games

>I've been outperforming according to everyone I talk to, about a year at the company now

>company is externally looking for someone with higher seniority level from my field and apparently already interviewing people
>there are no indications of someone leaving, me being fired, some team needing this position or expansion
Wtf does this actually mean anons???
Literally any way i look at it it makes ZERO sense

God fucking dammit..... FUCK

>>105643472
well, people say in these threads that shit like that is done as an argument to hire indians, so...

>>105643545
Doesn't apply to my country, we don't have h1bslop
In fact, foreign workers are often more expensive than native ones

>>105641867
>check was stuck in the cloud
i don't care if you're old, this level of inability to understand technology is hilarious and tragic and all too common even among people who arent experiencing early onset dementia

>>105641986
How is it larping? Here's what I made in less than a month of work back then.

>>105643136
nice. I have been WFH all week in a remote training on something I don't quite use or really need to know. it's been a weird mix of "should I be paying attention" and not quite wanting to go full ham and watch a movie during this training session.

>>105643469
dude i literally did nothing today. with layoffs looming im going a little insane.

>>105642961
this >>105640614
and also >>105640109
this.

So yeah I'm learning new stuff at work but I can't even apply it which fucking sucks. The other aspect of the job I can work on is dealing with office beaucracy and I'm so fucking done with the vague direction and nobody knowing what the fuck they want.

>apply to a job over a month ago
>get email back at 4pm on a thursday
>ANON CAN YOU COME IN IN UHHH RIGHT NOW CAN WE HAVE QUICK CALL PLS SAR
why do companies do this? is it pure humiliation ritual? why do none of them ever schedule anything more than a day in advance anymore. i feel like it's just them trying to flex on you and see if you're actually unemployed and i bet HR roasts get The Ick if you say "yes i'm free at [normal working hour with minimal notice]" since it implies you're a poorfag (as if looking for a job doesn't already)

>>105643727
>companies
it's an exclusively poo thing to do. Got the same treatment just the other day. Random email with no branding, had to do dd for 2 hours to confirm it was even real "hey, I saw you applied. Can you get on a call saar? Zoom?" he meant "right now". After I confirmed my availability I got ghosted because that was the wrong answer.

>>105641017
Why should i hire you with 5 yoe when there's someone with 10+ yoe that knows more than you for the same price?

>>105643639
I, too, can edit pictures.

>>105643779
There is nobody in the qorld who knows more than me about anything related to this position. I am ready to swear it upon penalty of death. The fact is my github demonstrates that indirectly.

>>105643598
anon, seems obvious to me that s/he is implying that the daughter is stealing from her

>>105643814
redpill me on qorld vs eorld

>>105643350
Farm work is not 70h a week. Tech work is. Farm work is more like 20h a week if you want to sell things on the side or fully sustain yourself.

>>105643835
You forgot about worls vs wprls

>>105643833
well yeah but the theft is only possible because she is so stupid. just get the checks mailed or do direct deposit into her own account. why does the daughter control her finances anyway? 72 is not even that old these days

>>105643801
lmao of I give up, retard

>>105643118
Even for western EU it's unbelievable. I heard someome say they're paid average UK dev salary working from bumfuck nowhere eastern Europe, that's still a lot of money for that country and it makes no sense to hire from there if you're going to pay them the same salary.

>>105643118
You could hire midwest sevs for less and not have to pay all the eu fees and taxes.

how do you get a tech job in banking?

>>105644118
why the fuck would you, are you a jew?

>>105643854
yes, I understand that. my point is: if farm work is so light and great, then why aren't YOU doing it?

>>105643887
old people are scared because reporters in their TV tell them that technology is scary.

>>105644133
>if farm work is so light and great, then why aren't YOU doing it?
i dont have land and John Deere sued me for trying to play DooM on a tractor

>>105644133
I think you're getting very confused about who's saying what, anon

>>105644118
Be from an ivy league school with a 4.0 gpa (any quant or finance adjacent domain) and beg your rich banker uncle for a job.
Or use your racial privileges and reach out to your local "shitskins in banking" group.

>>105644155
I am not. it doesn't really matter if the anon is the one who owns land or not. you faggots keep missing my point.
the point is that most tech workers won't go to work in farms, not even their own, just because some retard says he's working a few hours a week and getting govt. gibs to take care of chickens. most of us don't work 70 hours a week anyway.
hell, some of us could do both things: own a farm and feed chicken while making a lot of money from doing our jobs. but, why?

>>105642812
Did boomers tell you about these mythical places from.back in their daya where things like dba's and qa were thingd,?

>>105640439
*everyone says whatever will get them attention and replies at that moment

>>105644216
Then I am not at all following your train of thought. I don't see how it relates to previous statements in the overall conversation.

>>105644216
>but, why?
homesteading became quite popular, especially during coof when it was proven that without a 9 hour commute to a 12 hour workday of staring at Bad Screen you actually do have a lot of free time, and most hobbies are in fact not as time consuming as previously thought. the biggest limitations i've heard/seen from people who are aware of homesteading and don't do it are
>lack of land; can't garden if you don't even have a lawn. this is the biggest hurdle by far
>city ordinances; many cities prohibit the keeping of livestock, even small ones like goats or chickens (ESPECIALLY chickens in a lot of places for some insane reason)
>incompetence; some retards already have enough trouble keeping cacti from dying and don't want to try keeping an entire strawberry farm, let alone building/maintenance of whole outbuildings, irrigation systems, etc.
>land quality; urban environments tend to have very shallow soil not suited to much more than decorative plants, even grazing/foraging animals can have trouble sustaining themselves without picking in trash cans (like deer and bears do)
>choice; simple lack of interest, plants don't blow up the 'gram

>mfw reached the peak (in my country) for my profession salary wise at 25, and it's only management meme positions from now on
What the fuck should I do?
I'm too autistic for management, and see no path into it since I have zero charisma or networking skills, and ereryone is too comfy to give up their spot.
I'm about to 26 and I'm unironically having a midlife crisis kek

>>105642314
at the very least you could use AI to write unit tests, it's better than nothing

>>105644126
I heard it's comfy.
>>105644177
Can't I just lie?

>>105644386
okay jew

>>105644364
>he thinks managers are charismatic or competent
lol, just do it bitch boy
you'll learn

>>105642314
sharepoint is Good, Actually but no one knows how to use or maintain it so it becomes a mess of things it was never designed to do instead of the few highly satanic tasks it is excellent for

if excel is Not A Database then sharepoint is Not Version Control

>>105644405
Nothing wrong with EZ money.

>>105642314
>login cookies reset every 24 hours (including Slack on desktop + phone); require 3FA each time
Jesus

>>105644417
>charismatic
They are. There's literally only two ways into management, connections or high social skills. Often both
>competent
Never said that, retard.
>just do it
HOW? That was my fucking question

>>105641569
Who cares. I lie about everything. If they find out just tell them that it was incorrect information without hiding it or apologizing. Never move an inch and just pretend they are the crazy ones.

>>105644454
nevermind, ngmi

>>105644454
>There's literally only two ways into management
nah there's also just sheer time in.

>>105644466
enjoy your lawsuit

>>105642314
>>105644438
>>login cookies reset every 24 hours (including Slack on desktop + phone);
this is completely reasonable. teh only reason to be mad about this is you're a do nothing "work" from home buffoon who logged in once and left the mouse in a fisher price toy so it'd jiggle but don't actually ever even look at your issued laptop

>>105644486
OK Jew

>>105644475
>sheer time in
Nobody makes you manager just because you've been there long enough. You still have to network with the people who decide who's manager and who's not. And once again, as I said, as of now everyone is too comfy to give up their spot

>>105644496
AIEEEEEEEE I HAVE TO AT LEAST WAKE UP ON TIME TO MERELY PRETEND TO WORK, SAVE ME /pol/!!!!!

>>105644420
I swear one of the pre-merger companies from my current place operated on Sharepoint and zip files. I always dread looking into things from that era
All of those engineers were boomers who barely cooperated with other teams. Then they got laid off.

At my company I have technically 4FA
>unlock laptop
>sign in into services
>unlock phone
>confirm authentication code/request

>>105643651
>spent my day hungover to heck after celebrating a new certification
>watched Friendship (Tim Robinson movie, it was trash)
>joined one meeting where I said "Understood, will handle that after this meeting."
>meanwhile entire teams are being shipped off to Manila

I actually can't care about working in an industry that's gagging to ship the wealth off to countries that didn't help make it, desu.

>>105644511
how do you think boomers got where they are? they're all fat uncharismatic assholes and their only "connections" are eachother at similar levels

>>105644523
sharepoint is good when it's used as "Not" Version Control/Repositories for Roasties. it solves the age old problem of people working off of files on a shared drive (that inevitably get locked and have to be copied around 9001 times and then merged by hand by some poor intern every friday)

it's no replacement for actual production collaboration in any real field other than HR Roasting or maybe very low level finance but if you just need to keep track of internal documents it works fine

Bombed that interview. Going to give up and move to Malaysia

>>105644601
>and their only "connections" are eachother at similar levels
Those times are long gone. Boomers have no intentions of giving up their positions of power for the foreseeable future so it's 20 years of being stuck. Hence back to the original question of what do at 26yo

the bugs are back

>>105644620
>Going to give up and move to Malaysia
why are you sea

>>105643159
Ageism kicks in at 30? Whack.

>>105644732
really it kicks in at 20. if you're not currently in the Top 20 Under 20 when you apply you're ngmi it bro

I have a coworker I always ignore and if I don't answer him in like .25 seconds of his message he deletes it. It's so annoying.

>>105644218
Yh some of the people on my team used to be QA engineers here. Makes sense. This place used to use floppy disks for software updates, builds used to take hours and all the sql changes for the hot fixes had to be bundled together week by week into thousands of lines long releases. The slowest process is the main build that takes 30 minutes and it's run once for the PR before you merge it once to get it into dev, repeat for the hotfix PRs. So two hours if everyone approves in time but since these are background stuff and the hotfix releases are weekly, we don't care as long as it's in for the week. You just pick something else in the meantime and test whenever everyone's free.
You could end up with 3-6 tickets assigned to you at any one point but you're only developing on 1. The rest are just waitinf to be tested some time in the next 2 days depending on how busy everyone is. I average out to a bug a day this way.
>>105643048
Even the platform/infra team technically are full stack since they own and maintain stuff like the backstage site for our config.
The only other roles that remotely count as engineering are the SREs which is within IT.

>apply to a defence contractor
>"knowledge of Windows XP required"
ummm excuse me? these are the people i have to worry about bombing me from space?

I just realized I have zero black coworkers. I brought up Dave Chappelle show at lunch and my white coworkers were like "Yeah, guys like him aren't fun at all. When did ghetto become funny" and I was like, oh shit, my company is totally right leaning.

>>105636995
Based

>>105637094
Most people aren't rich.

>>105637094
where else should I work then?

>>105636927
>>105637034
You will never be a real programmer. You have no commits, you have no pull requests, you have no public repos. You are a low IQ brown man twisted by an unearned comp sci degree and coding bootcamps into a crude mockery of nature's autism.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and from bots. Behind your back people call you a useless DEI hire. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “tech bros” laugh at you behind closed doors.

Real programmers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of forum posts have allowed programmers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even devs who “pass” have no creative output and excessively verbose with AI generated tech buzzwords. Your GitHub profile is a dead giveaway, and even if you manage to score a 3 month internship at some scam startup, they'll lay you off the second they find out that you haven't completed any non school related projects.

You will never be happy. You cope by saying that your bullshit software is using a "proprietary test framework" so you can't open source it, but deep down you know it's because you don't want people to see your incompetence where all you did was push README updates over and over, and that the core codebase was stolen off an open source GPL licensed project which you're shamelessly profiting off.

Eventually it will be too much to bear. You'll buy a spoofed business phone number and start cold calling old people into redeeming your gift card scam.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>105644839
anon they mean you have to have written the NT kernel yourself

>>105644839
it is so insanely fucked
i've worked for several gov adjacent manufacturing companies and the manufacturing floor is littered with windows 7 and XP machines
one key database (literally 80% of the businesses was based on what was in this database) was hosted on a window 95 machine
IT said upgrading wasn't up to them, floor manager said it would cost too much money to adapt and host the data on something modern so budgeting never got approved
absolute shitshow

>>105644804
No message no problem.

>>105644952
>>105644839
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Those grognards are the only sane people left in "tech". If your machine just controls a drill bit on an armature, why does it need to run on Windows 12 and have cloud integration and be controllable from a smartphone with 52fa security? All it needs to do is load a tool path and move a couple of servos.

>>105644347
>leaves out the vital importance of being able to actually afford a fucking house in the first place

>connect cursor to atlassian
>connect cursor to figma
>connect cursor to GitHub
>put the GitHub PR template and general steps and guidelines to complete a ticket in the master prooompt
>give it additional instructions on how to test build and run correctly in the master proompt
>wait 10 minutes (or don't, these things can unironically run remotely in the background now)
>ticket is done and PR created
>run second cursor in background that automatically triggers on PR and reviews it, as well as applying the fixes
>you look like 5 minutes at the final pr and merge it after commenting LGTM
It's unironically over, this field is dead

>>105645002
it was literally the first point
>lack of land

>>105644420
>>105644523
>>105644601
Former sharepoint sysadmin from when sysadmins were sysadmins and not expected to also be the developer, tester, architect, and trainer all for the salary of the cheapest of those jobs.
SharePoint is great if you use it right. Sticking to out of the box features prevents you from running into issues with dodgy addons and bullshit, and making it policy to stick to out of the box features makes it so no retard can try to force stupid bullshit in. Its versioning system is perfectly fine and is fantastic as an intranet solution. The problems, besides the decade-long push to fuck on-prem and push for cloud clownshit, come from managers wanting to integrate bullshit and retards not knowing how to configure shit.

>>105642512
29 here and have 5 years of experience from two jobs after my CS bachelors. I wish I had the willpower to get my masters in addition to my job.

>>105644364
Get more certs and experience in various technologies to improve your cv. You've made it so now is the time to secure your position.

>>105644846
based

>>105645116
>muh certs
Too bad nobody cares about those anymore

>>105645133
They are still good to have. When you've officially made it as a softare dev it is time to focus on other areas in your life. Becoming a manager is not for everyone.

>>105644846
>when did ghetto become funny
rightoids are so stupid

>>105644846
in what way is dave chappelle "ghetto"? even on chappelle show maybe like a fifth of the skits centered on "urban" culture and none of them glorified it. his modern comedy is mostly about being an oldhead entertainer in ohio and his older stuff is all over the fucking place in terms of joke setting/context

>bring up shit 3 years ago to boss repeatedly like once a month on things we desperately need
>he acknowledges them
>supposedly gets budget approval
>nothing happens
>repeat and requote once every 3 months
>find out that the money may have been spent elsewhere
>now the lack of these upgrades are biting us in the ass
>boss now panicking demanding i get all of this done ASAP as other execs are demanding to know wtf is going on
>hes in full panic mode and passing this stress along and is prepping me to be thrown under the bus because i cant magically get a years worth of stuff done in a week and a half

i dont get paid enough for this autism

Is the piece of shit known as "lumen business" down for anyone else?

>>105645248
Time to practice LC again.

>>105645248
>too pussy to snitch on his boss to upper management
Enjoy getting fired kek

>>105644846
>I brought up Dave Chappelle show at lunch and my white coworkers were like "Yeah, guys like him aren't fun at all.
MOAHDS, PEPPER THIS WHITE MAN UP

>>105644846
I thought the right wing loved Dave Chappelle?

>>105645295
he a surge of popularity among boomercon matt walsh types at some point because he used to black man armor to own le trannies
as a 25 year old esoteric hitlerist I'm indifferent

>>105645287
oh they know but it does not matter as its all c suites that hate each other and two are related

daily reminder that you should leave your job for more salary

hitting hr roasties with hammers (i have run out of more creative punishments)

>>105645366
You quickly reach the point (~7 years) where you won't get much more salary for the same position and senior/expert level positions have insanely hard interviews.

>>105644888
>working

also noice digits

>>105645366
what is the best way to sneak off for interviews should i get them? my workplace would be insanely vindictive.

How's everybody enjoying their day off work?

>>105645553
But it is WEDNESDAY, my favorite day, because I get to work all day and tomorrow and the day after and the day after!!

>>105645366
checked and disagreed in some instances. I'm on my fourth job now in 15 years, 3 years with my current employer and I'm absolutely comfy. good boss and coworkers, no stress environment, not on call, work stays at work, work less than 40 hours in a 40 hour work week. sure I can get another 20 to 30k moving to another job but who knows if I'll have to work more, if my boss and coworkers will be good or bad, etc.

The super AI emerges from an extremely hyper suck and fuck... The world becomes engulfed in a paroxysm of cumfucked frenzy... Senior citizens dropping dead from brain frying giga-orgasms...

What OS do you guys have on your work laptops?
Every place I have worked at has given MacBook Pros... except this one shit bank I interned at my sophomore summer who gave us chunky Dell laptops running Windows

sigh... just destroyed another keyboard

>>105645612
win

>>105645612
win11pro cuz AD environment

>>105645612
kali linux >:3

>>105645612
Windows 11. Macs are rare here, everyone is too used to windows.

>>105645612
Ububtu 22

>>105645612
ubunto 14.02 LTS

>>105645612
Spectrum OS

I came to a realization today. It's not the I can't stand working in an office. I just can't stand working in an office full of indians and chinks all talking with their obnoxious fucking accents. It completely kills the concentration of the white man

My team is having a morale event tomorrow... I'd like to go, just for the free food, but my face is too bruised to go out in public...

>>105644177
What if my gps was shit and it wasn’t at an ivy

Can I still beg my rich banker uncle for a job?

>>105645755
>tfw remotechad
>get to sit in my big comfy chair and write code in my pj’s
Feels pretty goddamn good.

can you guys stop race baiting jesus fucking christ.

I wonder how much GDP is lost annually on people waiting for access

my boss is stuck in a wall

Is 200k-250k remote the "six figure hell" of being a tech wagey
>enough to never feel motivated to do a side project, not enough to retire early and fuck off
>too scared to leave to yolo on a startup because you dont know if you can get another job as comfy
>promotions and raises dont beat inflation
>will have to be in office at fagman if I want to break 350k
>othe remote jobs that ping you on linkedin will also be 250kish, sometimes less, maybe 280kish but they all require you to go through the job interview humiliation ritual, the last one had an HR roast ask me if NaN === NaN in javascript
god I just want to leave so bad but I know any startups I join or try to start wont beat my salary let alone survive past a year

>>105645988
>be a government contractor
>switch to a new role on a different contract/project the company has
>get to the desk
>there are three PCs
>cannot log in to any of them
>manager puts in requests for me to get accounts
>get access to the first one 2 days later
>it's just the basic "corp" PC, can't do work on it
>two months later
>get an active account to login to the second PC
>do my job
>leave two years later
>never got access to the third PC

>>105645988
Not as much as is wasted on pointless jobs to produce useless consumer trash.

>>105646022
>not enough to retire early and fuck off
You have a massive skill issue if you cannot figure out how to retire early with a 200-250k remote salary.

>>105646076
I would like to retire in my 30s, not 50s, and I would prefer to have at least 3-5mil fuck you money, living in a dung hut in SEA is not retirement

>>105646089
>Retire at 40? No I want to retire at 35
>2 mil? no that's peasant tier I need at least 5 mil
>Live like an mid-upper/upper class lifestyle almost anywhere in the first world? No I want to live by myself in a single family home in Manhattan.
>BUT I DON'T WANT TO WORK HARD OR GO TO THE OFFICE!!!! IT HAS TO BE REMOTE!!! AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY CHANCES ON A STARTUP OR PROJECT EITHER!!!!!! IT HAS TO BE SAFE!!!
You want to be rich?
Put on the wage suit and dance, monkey.

>>105646089
3-5 mil is way too much. You can retire with 1.5m invested + a house so another 300k-1m depending on where = ~2m total. Realistically you just need to work into your 40s to get to those higher amounts unless you find a way to crash out

>>105646026
I had to wait 3 weeks when I started at my current job to get access to the work VDI (on a 6 month contract)
lmao

>>105642314
>login cookies reset every 24 hours (including Slack on desktop + phone); require 3FA each time
oh no. sorry boss takes me 1 hour to login every day. nothing we can do, boss

>>105646089
>retire in 30s
Not feasible and ridiculous too. Do you faggots plan on being forever alone without a wife or kids?
IMO 10 million is the minimum amount I would want to have in order to retire.

In hindsight, the whole overemployed thing was a gigantic top signal.

>>105646489
Remote jobs are back tho, they're just mainly 100-200k gigs like >>105646022
said, instead of FAGMAN 500k remote jobs. Realistically the only problem (aside from passing the leetcode gauntlet) is refusing the insurance at the second job without raising suspicion

>>105646489
what the fuck is a top signal, is this some kinda troon thing

>>105646552
/biz/troon lingo meaning "shit is only getting worse from here"

>>105646540
I feel that remote work is dying down, it's just the same companies' positions that I see over and over. I feel very fortunate I got mine last year, I would probably be fucked if I was applying for them now.
There's no need to refuse the 2nd insurance. If you lose your first job unexpectedly you'd have to apply for insurance and then they'd ask what the qualifying event is and you'd have to say you lost a job - that's far more suspicious. Having double coverage can be useful in certain scenarios anyways and it's just a few bucks a month, literal pennies compared to two SDE salaries

>>105646588
Well my current job offers an HSA which requires being on an HDHP, so I'd have to hope the second one is also an HDHP, and also I'd have to be careful not to overcontribute to the second 401k. I guess all this is less work than setting up an LLC and hoping the second employer somehow agrees to employ me through an LLC as a contracted employee

This job I applied for had the direct manager of the IT department personally calling me to say he was very impressed with my resume and work experience. Would I be an autist if I laminated my resume for an in-person interview or would a simple nice print suffice? I was also wondering if I should bring a folder or anything with me? All of my tech jobs were virtual interviews except for this new hospital position. I want to make the best impression possible. Do you have any tips anon? It's for a desktop support role that I think I'm more than qualified for.

>>105647030
>he was very impressed with my resume and work experience
qrd?
I think the lamination is too tryhard, shows a lack of confidence.
Just bring a clean print in a folder so it doesn't get crumpled

>>105647030
>laminated my resume
No. He was impressed in your skills not the document itself.

>>105645553
Yes. I did sleep so much I couldn't fall asleep anymore and play video games until I got cured of being unproductive.

>>105645564
Its was Thursday and 90% had it free.
>2-3 months until next free day.

my hot spot finally works.

>>105636842
>>105637034
>just have a trust fund, bro...

>>105647030
I was previously doing contracted remote IT service desk for a hospital and that company simply decided to not renew the contract last second, leaving me unemployed. Conveniently though, a month prior I founded my own LLC for doing online game hosting services and threw that on my work experience, along with the 2 other hospital service desk contracts I worked prior. I applied for this desktop role blindly assuming I wouldn't get a response since they required a comp sci associates degree (I only have a high school degree), but surely enough the lead IT manager for the hospital called me to exclaim how impressed he was with my resume and wanting to schedule an in-person interview with him and the two other leads.

The lead manager who called me was extremely nice, he was almost chatting to me like a friend asking me about my business, and how solid my resume is with work experience, specifically in healthcare. I think I can confidently fly with this interview just from him telling me this. The other positive thing is I have literally no issues with my previous contracts and my managers loved me, so no weird gaps or being fired.

>lamination is too tryhard
That makes sense. I also think it could be seen as childish, like your mom making sure your homework doesn't get dirty/wet. Thanks for the input

>>105647169
>No. He was impressed in your skills not the document itself.
Ya true

>>105645612
Win11 because Visio, PowerWorld, Microstation refuse to work on any other OS.

>>105638350
>Farm work is fuckall
This is how I know you're a LARPing "Survivalist." You don't know shit, and the faster you shut the fuck up the better.

>>105645366
>just job hop constantly bro especially when nobody is hiring anyone but h1bs
Amazing dave ramsey-tier advice.

>>105645553
Literally who had today off?

any of you work from home?
how do i stop spending half my day gooning?

>during standup
>”today I’m getting this thing done!”
>spend half day gooning and get nothing done
i don’t even cum, just give myself bluebells because i don’t want to only have one sock left on and spend the rest of the day with a cold foot.
anyone?

>>105647451
actual same situation here, i need to learn how to be more productive

>>105647462
i’m convinced at least 75% of the men in the meetings have boners still from their cut short goonathon.
in the office you get paid to shit, but at home? 6 figure professional gooner.

>>105647451
>>105647462
>>105647495
I'm very glad my company mainly hires trannies and chubby pajeetas otherwise I would be horny at meetings too

>>105647525
>>105647495
>be in meeting
>bored as the manager is talking nothing
>have cute indian milf on team
>imagine plowing her used old cunt
>get boner and attempt to hide it

Everytime.

>>105647054
>>105647242
quoted wrong post

>>105647030
>Would I be an autist if I laminated my resume for an in-person interview
i would argue this is the total opposite of autistic. laminating things that dont need to be laminated is brain dead normie behaviour. normies fucking love laminators and i am too autistic to know or care why.

just before and during coof there was some weird ironic hr roastie fixation on print quality of resumes (staples.com briefly had a section JUST for "resume paper"!) but that has thankfully died and now no one cares. if you're worried about the interviewer being too stupid to have their own copy of the resume you sent, simply ask first if there's anything they want you to bring (this will also avoid other gotchas, like if they want a paper copy of some cert or need a specific form of ID or something.) and if all else fails, bring your laptop or at least your phone and just display your resume on that.

if they DO ask you to bring paper copies of stuff, though, yeah pick up a nice folder. you can get sick ass bifold clipboards at any dollar store. picrel. theyre great

a laminated resume would be incredibly strange though and deeply inappropriate even if purely for logistical/ergonomic reasons; people tend to like to make notes directly on such disposable documents and laminating it prevents that. and laminated documents just feel gross to the touch, can't be folded without ruining them, do badly in cheap scanners, tend to jam giant office xerox boxes with auto-feed, etc. lamination is for shit like passive-aggressive signage or quick reference cards, little more

>>105647418
>Literally who had today off?
i ahd to think about it too but then i remembered it's literally Nigger Worship Day in the USA ("juneteenth", commemorating the end of slavery in the US, only recently made a national-level statutory holiday)

Why are manholes in round?
How would you move Mt. Fiji?
Why are tennis balls fuzzy?

>>105648060
If you can't answer the first one you're retarded.
The second is retarded but answerable, likely just to see if you can break apart a big project (ignoring that breaking it apart means it's no longer Mt Fiji).
The third is retarded and likely up to interpretation.

>>105647978
Yeah, and I still had to work, in the US. In fact it was a very busy day. Nobody had off. Is it a thing only fake jobs get time off for?

>>105648265
>The third is retarded and likely up to interpretation.
it's literally the only one that has a stated canon answer -- it increases drag on the ball to slow down the game and increase the effect of spin on the ball. Some racket sports use hard smooth balls and are much higher speed games for it, but it's more difficult to make fancy curving slice shots. Conversely, badminton shuttlecocks, whiffle balls, etc. are the concept taken to an extreme, being made for what are basically children's/old people games intended to be easier to play.

>company random AI chosen layoffs
>no time for turnover, deadlines get missed because team is already overworked
>high performer on my team gets hit, all managers in the chain complain
>hr says fuck off
>one month later we re-interview the exact same guy and hire him
wow, AI sure is helpful

>>105648343
Sorry anon, we've chosen to move ahead with manpreet

>>105648343
Yes it has a stated canon answer but that doesn't mean that's necessarily the answer they care about. That's just a trick question at that point.

>>105648374
Hope he got a pay rise.

>>105648060
>tennis balls
So they don't mark up the court, I would assume.

>>105648374
>tfw a high performer got laid off, meanwhile I have already checked out and do nothing and still havent been laid off for months

>finally land an interview
>they ask "have you ever been on a boat?"
>i just ask "why"
>"It's a standard question. Please just answer."

Not only did they apparently not look at my resume that lists like 10 years of Navy experience, and apparently also aren't aware that my town has like five ferries in it, but I looked it up later and apparently it's a common "creative open-ended" question for interviewers.

Why? Brain teasers and "what would you bring to an island" type questions are dumb, but at least make some sense. What do they stand to gain by asking you whether you've been on a boat before?

>>105648060
>Why are manholes in round?
So the people of round can access the sewer
>How would you move Mt. Fiji?
Rename Mt. McKinley to "Mt. Fiji"
>Why are tennis balls fuzzy?
There is a machine that adds the fuzz to it at the factory.

>>105648564
They are gauging your social status.

>>105644386
you absolutely cannot lie because they'll check absolutely everything, and it's not comfy whatsoever. Endless woek hours ans everyone's on coke to cope. Only good part is you make commission.

>>105644475
This isn't 1971. That doesn'r work anymore

>>105644732
It is a function of age x position. Junior at 30 you're screwed. Lead at 30 you're good. By mid-30'a you're supposed to be in midmanagement, if you're still programming it's all over.

>>105647242
>(I only have a high school degree)
any certs? all I have is "dropout from [relatively prestigious school]" and people keep telling me I can use that to apply for entry-level gigs but don't know how to start

>>105648564
>answers a yes or no question with why
that's a pretty good question to filter out your type actually.

>>105645156
no they aren't

>>105643159
>>105644732
>my real life won't even start until I'm a withered, crumbling, aged old man and by then it will be too late
holy fuck I'm gonna kill myself
It's so OVER

>>105645800
As far as I could tell, in that case that won't work. You really need both unless your uncle owns the place

>>105647415
Why do nofarmers always do this? I've been doing this for 8 years now. Kill yourself.

>>105648448
Why is it like that in all companies? ONLY high-performers and other tryhards ever get laid off.

>>105648663
You absolutely can't. Stop listening to boomer advice that hasn't applied since 9/11

>>105648663
Not a single certification, but I am studying for a couple just for better paying opportunities in the future. Part of me is just seeing how far I can go with just hands on experience. I personally got my foot in the door after some random IT recruiter hit me up after another candidate flaked on him. Since then I completely dropped any interest getting the A+ certification. Prior to this, I was basically a neet doing the bare minimum on uber eats

We had a massive "strategy day" today
The first 30 minutes was fun, we took turns doing a 5-minute communication game in groups.
But the next 7 hours (with some breaks) was a mixed room of 20 business analysts, devs, and managers listening to 1-2hr presentations with no group interactivity beyond individual interjections. What a fucking waste of time.

>>105640519
>How do you hide burn out at work?
Overcoming the burnout is a better option. Figure out precisely what burned you out and fix it.

For me, I reached my peak level of burnout around the end of 2023. I had spent the whole year desperately applying to jobs to escape my toxic company to no avail. I thought my job was the problem, and it was, but after a year sending out thousands of applications and getting absolutely zero interviews I realized that the job search was a more immediate, direct, and controllable source of burnout.

I stopped applying to jobs, did the bare minimum to survive at work, and poured 99% of my mental energy into upskilling so that I would be ready when the next opportunity arrived. Monk mode and locking in unironically saved my career, ended my burnout, and 2.5x'ed my salary.

Just walked into Apple HQ in my best suit. Gave them a firm handshake, my resume, and asked for a job

I start Monday!

What are you supposed to do when you know working at your current company has killed any interest you had in programming and know leaving is your best bet yet in order to do so you need motivation, discipline and maybe a touch of passion that is long gone?

>>105648873
Aw boo hoo

>>105644967
>If it ain't broke, don't fix it
Idiotic logic. What happens when there is no one left who knows how to maintain this old shit?

White guys aged 20-30 who once read "a history of philosophy" be like
>adrift upon ennui, my boredom the albatross 'round my neck...

>>105644967
>why does it need to run on Windows 12 and have cloud integration and be controllable from a smartphone with 52fa security
So I can control it from a smartphone duh

>>105648601
>There is a machine that adds the fuzz to it at the factory.
Can you please implement this fuzz bizz factory?

>>105648942
Haha

>>105647030
>Would I be an autist if I laminated my resume for an in-person interview or would a simple nice print suffice?
get nice thicker paper with subtle off-white coloring. ideal with a tasteful thickness. maybe even a watermark.

>>105648973
>I can't believe the HR roastie prefers Ranjeet's resume to mine

>>105648873
>why is silent quitting a thing?
go through the stages, start not giving a fuck, document EVERYTHING to cya/sue when the time comes, spice up your wagie life by trying to dismantle the system from within without being caught. If you do drugs stop for a while, get a good night sleep, go for an extended leave.

Also, I guarantee you did not lose passion for coding if you had any to begin with, it is your guts telling you the corposlop you are assigned to work on is utterly meaningless at best and/or actively user hostile.

Dude just handed me his laminated resume like I'm a customer at a Chinese restaurant

>>105648942
>fuzz bizz factory
hot take, '''design'' ""patterns''' caused $T in damage and continues to wreck havoc in the industry. KISS is god's chosen development methodology

>>105649021
This. Program exclusively in Forth.

>>105649021
>KISS is god's chosen development methodology
That's literally what design patterns are retard

>>105649021
Factory's one of the few useful ones. All it means is you send raw shit to it and it pumps out the correct type of shit for you.

>>105649021
I used a factory recently explicitly because it made library wrappers easier to wrangle

>>105649156
Design patterns are the opposite of that, pajeet

>>105648823
How? Apple Park perimeter is completely surrounded by a fence composed of pure vertical bars with no way to climb it.

>>105649159
Poo in loo. Factory is thr pajeetest, most useless of all patterns. There's a reason it only exists in javapooland

>>105649005
Ask to speak to the chef after the interview.

>>105648764
>>105648787
the duality of credentialism

>>105648764
I'm just gonna STRONGLY IMPLY that I graduated without explicitly saying it, read a batch of anecdotes recently about how few entry-level gigs will actually check unless it requires a masters

>>105648921
I only read Schopenhauer and got kicked out of my reading group for constantly asking what the final solution to the Woman problem is.

it do be like that fr

>>105649250
>brainlet too retarded to understand what design patterns are and why they're good for keeping things simple and stupid
Many such cases. I'm guessing you never had a job?

>>105649499
>needs design patterns
>calls other brainlet

>>105649516
Dependency injection is a design pattern, and I bet you use that despite claiming to be muh based superior KISS without even knowing what it means kek

man, imagine if you could create and maintain unlimited parallel visualisations
your mind would operate like a real-time graphics engine with no lag

>>105649565
no idea what you are talking about. I dont use java, jeet

this general is obsessed with indians

>>105649499
13 years of exp but hey, keep digging that hole, pajeet

>>105649565
another pootern that only makes sense in poolang. Well done pajeet.

>>105649640
/g/ is about tech. Indians ruined tech. Of course any real /g/ g would hate indians with a passion and would hound any poo that shows up

>>105649685
did those Indians force the CEOs of tech companies to hire them?

>>105638078
>So now besides running standup I see zero point of having a product person on our team yet they earn close to what I make for basically no work. Why aren’t product fags impacted by layoffs? It’s the biggest grift in the industry right now.
product manager shouldn't even be "running standup" btw, but that aside....

There's many reasons the PM is immune while devs are under the gun. Where do I even start with this?
* You're in the H1B/immigrant/european contractor role. No other job funciton really likes you and you've just been begrudgingly necessary to make the thing work for a long while.
* PM more likely to be humanized by whoever makes the layoff list, while you're a literally who to them. Execs often know less about technical realities than your PM, as hard as that is to believe.
* Engineers as a category got hugely socially outmaneuvered by literally all the non-tech roles within USA corp. Proj/prod/program management, people management, execs, etc. Instead of having support staff, we just got more overlords that believe they're >= to us. pathetic.

>>105649697
Yes, because the CEO has a fiduciary duty to the company's shareholders and the market has shown time and time again that reducing costs at the expense of quality causes stock prices to go up

>>105649712
so then it's the fault of the shareholders

>>105649685
What they wouldn't do is call everyone a jeet for stating obvious facts.

>>105649700
this, while wfh chads are busy doing nothing PM grifters busy brushing shoulders with the important guys, they literally spend all their day in the eternal zoom mtg no sane person want to be part of. Guess it worth it for the job security for them

>>105649618
>no idea what you are talking about
Of course you don't, because you've never written a single relevant line of code in your life

>>105645248
Do you have in writing that you requested these upgrades or whatever they were?

>>105648996
kek

>>105649810
if you definition of relevant is "jeetcode using patterns", then you are right

>>105647451
i wear clothes that i would have worn if i went to the office so i dont feel fully at home

>>105649871
>use parameters for function instead of directly instantiating inside the function like a retard
Congrats, you just used a design pattern.

>>105649871
>just use this pattern bro, everything will be nice and dandy and not some eldritch horror
can't blame midwits though, design patterns look good on paper, it's an easy sell. There is also the meta case to be made for gatekeeping your codebase hard and DPing into job security

>>105649916
this, I also use the type into editor pattern

>>105649472
Next time don't study philosophy.

>>105649916
I use the poo in the loo pattern

>>105649927
>people overuse thing so thing ALWAYS bad
>>>/g/utwg is down the hall.

>>105649778
Whatever helps you sleep at night pajeet

>>105647451
full remote, gonna save the company today then play some diablo 2 modded. in airbnb in 3rd world country with ice cold ac even though it's 90 out there

the balkans are a hidden gem ngl. all whites and cheap as old americana. my rent is 600 for a 1 bdroom apartment downtown

>>105650233
You're getting ripped off.

>>105649000
>spice up your wagie life by trying to dismantle the system from within without being caught
That sounds interesting, I'll give it a shot.

>>105649000
>I guarantee you did not lose passion for coding if you had any to begin with
Most likely you are right. I had to create a simple app for my brother and I enjoyed doing it. I also had to work on a sunday because I left earlier some days and it was relaxing because no one was on my neck bothering me with some stupid bullshit.

>>105650233
wait until you see the escort prices, first 3some is on me bro

>>105650525
use case ?

>>105650545
coom-as-a-service, post nut clarity keeps you on the grind

>>105650632
nah, real bro would suggest a goon sesh

>>105650861
depends, if you are gigachad you might not need to work much to get your goon fix, for normal people dropping $100 and having their fantasies fulfilled is very nice

will probably repost in new thread, but just wondering how to hide burn out in meetings or RTO?
>stop caring
I don't.
>remember you're doing this for the money, otherwise who cares
I know. So why should I deal with my one coworker who's effectively our tier 1 freaking out over every little minor thing and making every single issue into a catastrophic event. Why should I spend energy having to work with my boss and his stakeholders when they don't even know what they want? Why do I need to spend time in meetings that I literally don't care about but for the one time my boss who seems to forget processes all the time seems to put me in the spotlight to explain something. I feel like a fucking emotional slut who's getting punched around because "lol he's doing it for the money I guess".
>self learn
I am. again doesn't help when I can't even apply what I self learn.
>just nod your head and say yes to everything
that's what I'm doing but there's a part of my brain that goes "not this shit again". even turning it off I seem to start going oh fuck oh fuck when I procrastinate on it and they were "serious" about this initiative this time instead of the million other times they throw me vague shit and ask me to "investigate".

I literally don't care anymore fuckkkk if they lay me off I better get my vested savings since I'm so close to the cutoff period or I will fucking freak a leak.

>>105650960
I'm really burned out to, dealing with it better right now, so let's give this a shot.
>burn out in meetings or RTO
I don't even use my cam in meetings anymore and I go to the office once a week and stay there for 5h while I do next to nothing.
>remember you're doing this for the money, otherwise who cares
It seems that you still care to some extent. In my mind the sole purpose of my company is to pay me at the end of the money. As long as that stills happening like clockwork I don't care about anything else.
>self learn
Fuck this. You see a plumber fixing pipes during his free time? Spend your time reading, fishing, doing coke or whatever the hell you feel like doing that is not related to work.
>just nod your head and say yes to everything
Print pic related, frame it, and put it on your desk.

>>105651089
hey man loved to talk strats. this shit is really draining me.
>I don't even use my cam in meetings anymore and I go to the office once a week and stay there for 5h while I do next to nothing.
same. I sit right beside upper management and management though so I have to look busy and honestly fucking deathstarring dev forums and code can only do so much. everything I'd rather do is nsfw.

>It seems that you still care to some extent. In my mind the sole purpose of my company is to pay me at the end of the money. As long as that stills happening like clockwork I don't care about anything else.
I guess, I don't like wasting my time twiddling my thumbs and I do want to actually DO something but anytime I took the initiative or researched something it always came back to my lap and my boss and coworker make this minor issue into some big major project or OH NO THE WORLD IS GOING TO EXPLODE!!! type shit and I'm like fuck me.

>self learn
as I said, I want to do something and I've been learning other shit. there's a lot of stuff I'm working on as side projects to help the team but it feels so ass that I can't even show it to my team because they'll scope creep it out of fucking control. and as I said before, I have no idea how to put this on my personal portfolio to track of for later.

>do the bare minimum
I'm the only one in my role. I don't even know what the bare minimum is anymore. I just twiddle my thumbs and if they say do this, I'll go okay did it. if they say go lead this meeting, i'll do it I guess. (but my major problem with this is my boss will always fucking hijack it then do his own fucking thing because he thinks I'm helping me. i don't want to tell him off because fuck if he wants it take it, and sometimes he does actually take shit I really don't want to present). but it feels awful the moment I have something, either my boss jacks it or it spirals out of control and doing nothing feels like it'll spiral anyways

>>105651148
This really resonates with how I feel and I truly believe that either you stop caring completely or find another job. Any other approach is only going to make you miserable and won't have any impact in your company because a man cannot drain the sea.
I know what is like to be given responsibilities or a better position only to be used as a lightning rod, management giving a shit about your opinion but considering you an expert when it suits them, or hiring people that slack off and don't deliver only to get paid more than you.
It's not worth it. I'm lucky enough to have granted almost 2 years of unemployment bucks if they fire me so I genuinely don't give a fuck. I'm not going to quit and they are not driving me crazy because I simply don't care.

>>105649640
If you have a job in tech, you've had to deal with Pajeets. Any real programmer hates Pajeets more than he hates niggers

>>105651181
Yeah, you're right. I really appreciate having human eyes helping me out. Honestly I got two meetings next week (one of them was so unnecessary, I was in a meeting with my boss and he suddenly just sprung out "LETS DO A DEMO" and I'm like holy fuck why there was no fucking reason for this), and it feels like my boss completely forgot about the other one (it's a literal audit review so probably not the best thing to be forgetting) and I just really don't want to do either of them but he forced my hand which probably built up even more resentment. I'll work on it but I'll literally just stop and hand it over if he fucking hijacks me again. But yeah I shouldn't care, I do get that flicker of actual drive if I start working with the stakeholders and presenters in a way that doesn't feel restricted but the moment I get hijacked, I'm back to "alright you know what fuck it, go for it man. face your strength. heaven or hell, the wheel of fate is turning"