Thread 105637147

>free and open source software
this is what happens when you let a bunch of windows and apple babbies into your club btw
https://account.hypr.land/pricing

>>105637147 (OP)
I see nothing wrong with them charging people for their time outside of developing the software.

>>105637147 (OP)
free and open source has never meant you're not allowed to may money, the free is as in speech not beer, you dumb baby

>>105637147 (OP)
don't care if it's FOSS, i reject monthly sub bullshit unilaterally and will never pay for one. best you're ever going to get out of me is periodic donations.

>>105637147 (OP)
>premium desktop experience
what fucking desktop

Free as in freedom, not free as in beer.
>Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible—just enough to cover the cost. This is a misunderstanding.
>Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If a license does not permit users to make copies and sell them, it is a nonfree license. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

A lot of modern “FOSS” have this monetization goal. The worst version is opening up a plugin/app store on top of the software. If they fail to monetize it, backup plan is to sell it to some shady company.
Basically don’t trust modern FOSS.

So don't buy it? As long as they are following the license why is this a big deal?

>>105637147 (OP)
FREETODDLERS BTFO

i use linux and i'm in favour of encouraging donations like this
there's absolutely no stipulation in the GPL that requires you provide free support, or free binaries

Freetards are getting cucked and are not even realizing it. Frogs in boiling water.

>>105637272
>t. winigger/macuck coonsomer

Is this real? There's no mention of this on the actual hyprland website or github. Looks like some jeet is scamming redditors.

>>105637177
> the free is as in speech not beer, you dumb baby

So you won’t have an issue if I pay for it and then post the code of those premium features online for everyone else to use right?

>>105637343
I don't mind, this is what people were doing to REHL, and Red Hat got upset, but the community did not side with Red Hat

>>105637343
>and then post the code of those premium features online for everyone else to use right?
That depends on the license, doesn't it.

>>105637320
I don't know, it is hosted on the same server and they removed the plugin documentation from the website.

>>105637408
A fucking rugpull wtf. Can’t they just set up a patreon like a normal person?

#LinuxToo

>>105637272
it was always a scam kek

>/g/ is defending this shit
the actual fucking state of nu /g/

>>105637147 (OP)
>>105637408
Hyprland already includes a donation pop-up, and now they're introducing subscriptions with a vague promise of a 'premium desktop experience.' I just don't get it, why is this is acceptable, especially when it mirrors the same monetization tactics used by large corporations that people fucking hate. At what point does this shit become unacceptable? Is it when the developers focus only on the paypig version, and stop updating the free one? If they put the source code behind a paywall I'm moving to something else.

>>105637147 (OP)
freedtards btfo kek

>>105637343
>So you won’t have an issue if I pay for it and then post the code of those premium features online for everyone else to use right?
Yes.

>>105637847
What was the name of that security company that made a hardened version of the linux kernel but at the same time made their patches as convoluted and a pain in the ass to upstream as possible and also cancelled your account if you posted the source?

>>105637272
Is there estrogen in that boiling water turning the frogs gay? Because that would explain a lot.

>>105637343
They haven't said what the "premium desktop" will be but I'm guessing it will end up being something like a cloud based wallpaper manager and cursor sets with very little code involved.

>>105637847
sorry sweetie (You) didn't read the ToS.
your account has been terminated and the lawyers have been dispatched.

https://account.hypr.land/tos

The hyprland dev got banned by freedesktop gitlab like /g/‘s current xlibre hero.
https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat
https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat2
Future of linux is grim.

I empathize with costs and the desire to be compensated. But that's not an excuse to turn on your userbase and the open source community at large. Do I understand it? Yes. Do I approve of it? Absolutely not.

>>105637981
I’m reading this freedesktop “dramas”. Drew DeVault. Lyude Paul. Karol Herbst. Sebastian Wick. I legit think these people are mentally ill. Or at least paid to screw with linux desktop.

this shit is legit disgusting
you fucking retards dont even know what kind of doors shit like this opens

>>105638296
It isn't opening a door, it isn't the first commercial FOSS product, also every product that goes on sale doesn't automatically go on to become a success

I will never donate to icky problematic chuds.

>>105637147 (OP)
>+tax
TOPKEK

>>105637343
Most likely the license will prevent you from doing that. I doubt that the paid addons are gonna be open source as well.

>>105638363
yep
https://account.hypr.land/tos

>>105638440
>you may not publish, or distribute, any of the files obtained through these services which are locked behind a subscription.

>>105638363
they can't be if you aren't allowed to share them, since being allowed to share them is one of the fundamental properties of free software

>>105637147 (OP)
It's optional.

>>105637147 (OP)
Typical for fags who cling to Wayland, you get what you deserve.

>>105637147 (OP)
so let me get this straight, this meme thing that people pushed through was a prelude to a cash grab. that about right?

>>105638035
The usual suspects.

>>105637147 (OP)
Hyprland users continue to prove they are the biggest retards in Linux

>>105638563
lmao

>>105637343
Why would I mind?
>trusting a literal who posting source code
>next update he has to pay for it again

>Use project with cuck license
>Get cucked
Hyprland is not free software
Total Cuck License Death

From what I've seen it's preconfigured shit and that you can ask them for help. If it's just that and not a special hyprland version with extra features I'm fine with it desu

Freegans deserve everything done to them

>>105637251
people are so spoiled now. in the 80s and 90s linux was free but hard. now linux is dead easy, looks great, performs well, and is free.

people want everything for free, super high quality, fast support response time. free users want the devs to treat them like important members of the team. free users want to be treated with respect.

free users complain and demand changes. "why isnt feature X added yet?" or "this bug has been around forever".

free users bitch complain and demand but think they are an important part of the open source community.

>oh you spend 500 hours writing that software? give it to me for free. no ads, no telemetry. dont ask for donations on your site. give it to me now. also , regular updates. you piece of shit.

>>105642239
you're an actual faggot for thinking this way

>>105642276
ok kid

>>105637943
That says that (you), the guy who said he was going to pay and then post the source code online gets fucked, not anyone else.
Still not any reason for me to have an issue or care.

>>105642239
(that anon) i completely agree.
now i am not a programmer, so my contributions are limited (not nothing, while not code i have still made the occasional otherwise decent bug report), as well as donations
/however/, i know enough to appreciate what we have. that is a very deliberate choice of words. i believe i know enough to appreciate more or less what was needed to make a piece of software, or at least i know not to complain about what i'm offered for free. shit is not easy and i respect any effort to contribute to free software
i can't tolerate disrespect toward something someone has no stake in. like i can get being mad over promises made by someone whose software you paid for, but being mad over something you got for free who promised nothing to you? come on.

>>105642276
what he's describing is leeches. people who just take and demand more but don't offer anything in return

in the commercial world these people are customers, they provide money, but in free software they don't even provide that. they're just leeches. demanding more while offering nothing

>>105637834
>At what point does this shit become unacceptable
Never they can do whatever they want.

It's actually real and vaxry has been having a meltdown on twitter over the criticism lmao
https://xcancel.com/vaxryy/status/1931721103417954460

ai cant come quick enough to replace these fucking goons

>>105637147 (OP)
all on nothing. i bet you'll just get some dotfiles made by vaxry with official support, hence the premium forums and private Q&A.

>>105638692
Zoomers brainwashed by reddit bots paid by corporations shilling Wayland to kill Linux desktop pretty much.

>>105637845
>muh "need to pay for my bills" pity party
reminder that this twink lives with his parents and also travels like every single month

kek the hypermeme with its fancy reddit tier animations resulted to be a paywalled product hahahahah that's what you get for not using dwm

Is this real? Why is there no threads about hyprland premium on reddit and hacker news?

NEED HELP?
SORRY, THERE'S ALREADY A THREAD ABOUT THIS UP ON THE PREMIUM FORUM!
DON'T HAVE ACCESS? SORRY, NOT MY PROBLEM, BUY A SUBSCRIPTION!

>>105637875
>a pain in the ass to upstream
the ability to fork, aka make and host your own, doesn't mean upstream has to accept your changes

>>105644660
this but unironically

hyprland is some of the best performing software (and a pretty great experience if you're into WMs) released onto linux in the last decade, vaxry should get paid for actually being competent.

>NOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE A LIVING YOU HAVE TO SLAVE FOR ME
just keep using the free version, retard

>>105645904
i3's better

>>105637834
>donation popup
Lmao do hypercucks really?

>>105645904
Cuck

>>105645904
Nah, I will just stick to KDE. Any software that has a paid "premium" package normally ends up being quite shitty and can end up harming the user to get that sweet subscription bucks. It won't happen overnight, but I am curious what the foss version will look like in 5 years.

I agree that the dev should be compensated and this current model he chose is non-offending to me, especially at that price point BUT I feel that most people rightly see it as a slippery slope as they were not born yesterday and can draw parallels with other software that followed the same path of "free thing that was good that now has been shittified and asks for monthly sub".
They always start out innocent and then demand more and more.
Just sell hyprland+ and a forum badge or something for a one time purchase of $20 like the good old days, no one likes subscriptions.

>>105637245
Correct. It's not that the idea of paying for software is bad it's that there's a clear pattern that projects with the goal of making money are not in the spirit of FOSS. Inevitably this software falls apart since the core developers are in it for the money not for the software. It's like how the quality of everything on the internet has tanked since it's started revolving around monetizing content. You used to have people writing blogs and making videos for no reason other than they wanted to. Now it's all about how can I create this to make money and nothing is reliable anymore. It's all sponsored content and misleading clickbait.

>>105645904
hyperland has shit defauts, drew won.

foss is a misnomer and using it just shows you are an uneducated nigger not worth talking to

>>105646031
i want to cuddle with this little girl
sigh

ahahaha no fucking way

>>105650139
i'm not a fan of "FLOSS", for one, it's an existing word, but mainly it's because putting "free" and "libre" together suggests they're there for different reasons, making "free" less ambiguous in the wrong way. like the "free" means "free of cost" while the libre means "freedom of use". can't really use "LOSS" either for obvious reasons
ultimately this is of course just a failure of the english language

>>105650193
if the software is licensed under copyleft license you use the term free software
if the software is licensed under a cuck license you use the term open source
hyprland is cuck licensed open source software. free software and open source are distinct movements that apply different terms to software and combining them together into a single word in the first place is nonsensical

>>105650215
yea, i don't disagree, free/libre and open source together is also redundant. is personally do usually just say free software

>>105650241
true

Does the money flow towards Mitchell Baker?

>>105637834
what's stopping you from forking it?

>>105648641
>Just sell hyprland+ and a forum badge or something for a one time purchase of $20
when questioned why he wouldn't do that he just kept sperging out for a few posts about it not being sustainable

Free as in beer (tomorrow, but tomorrow never comes)

>>105650215
Cuck license in itself doesn't render a program nonfree, but it creates practical problems when many entities contribute to the software and change the non-endoesement clause
Sublicensing can eventually create a chain of licenses upon licenses to comply with, which can eventually become impractical
So forbidding sublicensing would be a step up

>>105643382
I'll train the LLM!

>>105651438
actual retarded pole

>>105637147 (OP)
why not use kde or xfce?
even bad gnome is still better than unstable DE like hyprland

>>105648574
Not only does KDE have a donate button, they have a popup at install asking you to share all of the information about your computer at all times.

Your argument is gay and retarded. KDE is good software too, btw.

>>105651126
forks are not a backup

>>105651359
Only faggots get mad at a yearly donation popup for a free piece of software, but if KDE started selling a premium subscription with proprietary plugins or customisation options I would abandon in a heartbeat.

>>105637147 (OP)
Winchads reign supreme again lmoa

>>105637147 (OP)
>>105637251
>>105642239
>a project no one needs
>wait, NO ONE IS PAYING ME?
Installed Debian/Ubundoo. Installed VLC instead of mpv (all lower caps, LOL) to add insult to injury.

>>105637147 (OP)
>dumb neet triggered by option to pay for something
kek. nobody cares.

It's a matter of principle for those of us with money. It's offensive and I will be switching to something else. Igor can bootleg that shit for me.

>>105637147 (OP)
>paying
>for a fucking WINDOW MANAGER
lol
lmao

use i3

>>105637147 (OP)
Tiling window managers are a meme. People who actually need to get work done use traditional desktops.
>>105637231
Fuck that philosophy. Free SHOULD mean "free as in beer." Completely optional donations that don't impact functionality are aight though.
>>105637343
Based.

>>105637147 (OP)
>>free and open source software
still free and opensource software dumbass commie nigger

>>105651956
>Fuck that philosophy. Free SHOULD mean "free as in beer." Completely optional donations that don't impact functionality are aight though.
kill yourself nigger
You are the reason this OS is half dysfunctional and devs who do a lot of work get 0 pay.

>>105652151
linux is a kernel

>>105652151
>linux is a kernel

>>105652222
>>105652615
colonel*

>>105637162
The problem is that they use c++ if they used a high level language that didn't have so many memory bugs they would be able to write their software in their free time and get a real job

>>105637147 (OP)
How many WM/DE ever charged you money for using them?.
Good luck I guess...

>>105655702
DEs have always been a tax writeoff corponigger scam. Both GNOME and KDE act like they were mini Mozillas with how much cancer they bring to the scene. Implementing your own i3 clone or adding to the love takes like a week though and it's what anyone with half a brain does.

>>105637221
kek

>>105655750
Post yours.

>>105637147 (OP)
just use xfce

>>105638035
>I legit think these people are mentally ill.
Drew was already outed as a pedo, it's probably only a matter of time until the rest of them follows

>>105642239
>>oh you spend 500 hours writing that software? give it to me for free. no ads, no telemetry. dont ask for donations on your site. give it to me now. also , regular updates. you piece of shit.
Yes. This is the exact level of hostility that everybody should have towards any company trying to sell them anything. Companies are always trying to get your money without giving you anything of value, why would you NOT make it your life's missions to get everything from companies without paying for it?

>>105638522
The paid software doesn't have to be FOSS. Dual licensing is a thing.

>>105656210
He's talking about software that doesn't cost any money in the first place, you dumbass. This isn't a piracy discussion.

>>105637147 (OP)
Looks like a complete scam for retards that no one should ever pay for but it's optional so whatever. Mostly a bad look for hyprland more than anything.

>>105656412
>He's talking about software that doesn't cost any money in the first place
I fully understand, I apologize, no company that offers free software has ever been abusive towards their users or started charging insane fees once they gained market dominance.

>>105637147 (OP)
why would anyone pay when there are much better WMs anyway?

>>105655940
QRD?

>>105657905
something about the Stallman report being written by him and backfiring at him since someone wrote a Drew report afterward
https://dmpwn.info/

>>105657917
>said pedophiles can't control who they're attracted to
>made some bot that was run on a bunch of anime subreddits including some which had lolicon posts
What a fucking nothingburger

>>105657917
And of course this DeVault Report didn’t get much discussion on HN and reddit.
Everything is so fake nowadays.

>>105657937
Shut up, pedo.

>>105637147 (OP)
>Premium Desktop Experience (soon)
And into the trash it goes. Shame, I was looking forward to trying hyprland once it's more polished.