Thread 105643859

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE (from $ to $$$)
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500

>CPU
Budget: 9600X, 7600X, 7500f
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
AVOID Shittel

>COOLER
AIO: Best Value: Thermalright Frozen Prism, Premium LCD: TRYX Panorama
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
If you get an ASRock mobo and Zen 5 CPU update it to the latest BIOS ASAP which solves the melting issue.

>RAM
Gaming: DDR5 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: NM790
Mid range: SN7100
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: SN8100

>GPU
1080p: RX 9060 XT 16GB, Poorfag Esports Gaming: Used GPU between $100-$250
1440p: RX 9070 XT, RX 9070, Budget: RX 9060 XT 16GB
4K:Used RTX 4090, RX 9070 XT
Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090
AVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.
ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM https://imgur.com/a/6XSNJ9b

>PSU
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
https://www.rtings.com/monitor

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Case with good stock PWM fans

>Sick of DLSS cunt and his spam?
4chanX Filters: https://pastebin.com/DYQCcJwH

Previous: >>105635627

>>105643884
>loses in Vulkan to NVIDIA
nothing personal kid

>>105643859 (OP)
>Intel CPU with Radeon GPU
Yikes.

Novideo drivers still garbage

>>105643902
Pajeetbench? My favorite benchmark.

>>105643902
>Meanwhile in actual games

>>105643943
>NVIDIA BEATING AMD IN GEEKBENCH
.>:(
>AMD LEAKED CPU BEATING INTEL BY 2% IN GEEKBENCH
OMG OMG BASED BASED BASED
neck yourself fat fanboy

>>105643950
Time Spy is not a actual game you dumb shitskinned retard. here's an actual game. enjoy your 720p 40fps gpu shitskin!

Upgrading my CPU for the first time later. Is it true I should run some kind of CPU load/benchmark, then shutdown and replace as this "warms the paste up" or is this some kind of trap?

>>105643952
>What aboutism
Take your HRT nviditroon

>>105643962
>>105643971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH5_tbIAcl4&t=841s
kek AMD lost so fucking hard. fsr4 not supported in majority of games. xess plebs

What should I play when my new build is ready?

GeForce equals stuttering piece of shit in one of the biggest releases of the year

>>105643989
It's been years since radeon revolutionized frametime pacing and reduced draw calls with smart access memory and novideo still can't figure out how to do it too

>>105643987
Minesweeper

>>105643989
>biggest release of the year is a 20 year old game with a new coat of paint
grim

>>105643939
>5090 owner with multiple $200 1440p monitors.
>Entry-level 1440p monitors acting jank when multiples are used.
You get what you paid for.

>Wuthering Waves RT
This is reported to be happening on Radeon cards as well. Chinkshit coding.
You need to develop some critical thinking skills.

i love my 9070xt bros, a silky smooth 15 frames a second playing a 20 year old game on my new 4k capable GPU! NVIDIA LOST! I'll just ignore all the other games like Stellar Blade and Clair Obscur.

>>105644033
They're not citing any specific issue, just bitching for the sake of bitching.
At least one guy in that screenshot is aware the problems can be caused by Windows.

Pic shows the remaining four open issues that NVIDIA knows they are responsible for. That's it.

>>105642713
>>105642718
Make sure to get an ONLINE ups so you can be more resilient to surges when china starts messing with our power grid

>105644028
>Lying with fake jeet benchmarks
4k maxed out RT benchmark from a white man. Nvidishills can only lie to win in their small little minds.

>>105644114
https://youtu.be/IwgPDtU5RVo?t=463

>>105644014
imagine this cute bitch smugly proclaiming radeon dominance before you pin her down and breed her in her own high school locker room, not caring about what she's saying.

If you're an Intel chad, you do this every weekend.

is this general just NVIDIA shills vs AMD shills?

>>105644164
Based NVIDIA saving people from playing woke DEI slop

>>105644164
Just another PEBKAC
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-5060-solo-8-gb/15.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-5060-solo-8-gb/21.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-5060-solo-8-gb/31.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3os0K4iyhnY&t=643s
>Metro Exodus vid is a 5060Ti 16GB!
Can't find any reliable 5060 reviews testing that game.
If it's truly a driver issue, the problem would materialize on a 5060Ti 16GB.

Tell people to buy a certified DP cable and clean install their OS before they jump to conclusions.

>>105644224
>the drivers are le fine
>it's all the consumers fault!!!
>stop blaming the trillion dollar corporation they don't deserve it!!! :(
If you aren't getting paid you're a pathetic anti consumer cuck.

>>105644256
Says the unpaid Radeon schizo.

>>105644263
>t. Fat SEA nigger on his gtx 1050 ti pc in the gaming cafe

>>105644256
The performance hit from enabling Game filters and Photo mode in that app is probably fixed with the newer versions, users have to opt out of them now.

linux is a gpu driver litmus check.
nvidias trillion dollar engineers vs open source autism
open source autism wins and they are developing for amd not nvidia

>>105644278
Continue to dig a deeper hole.

>>105644312
>muh heckin logical fallacy!!! You're not being wholesome reddit 100 rn stop calling me a retard!!!!
Go back. And you already committed one yourself calling me a radeon schizo with no evidence. I owned a 1080 before my 9070 XT

>>105644345
>And you already committed one yourself calling me a radeon schizo
Probably because you said
>If you aren't getting paid you're a pathetic anti consumer cuck.

Regarding the driver issues, the four remaining ones that need to be fixed by NVIDIA can be resolved in the future.
Hardware limitations cannot be fixed.

Interestingly enough my 1080 with semi recent drivers had a strange issue where my monitor everyone once in a blue moon would flicker with static for a second. And everytime I'd turn on my pc and go into windows when it first loaded in my monitor would go black for a second before coming back. Never happened again since I switched to Radeon.
>>105644368
>Whataboutism changing the subject to last gen hardware
I don't care. Didn't buy a 7000 series gpu even when they were on big sale for this exact reason and told everyone else to not do so either.

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2025/06/19/releasing-windows-11-build-26100-4482-to-the-release-preview-channel/

[Graphics]
Improved: Made some underlying changes to help improve display related user experiences, including reducing screen flashing in some display configuration transitions and removing unnecessary display resets which was happening in some cases.
Fixed: Certain displays might be unexpectedly green.

>>105644426
Windows chads won.

>>105644412
Your anecdotal evidence means fuck all.
The four remaining GeForce driver issues can be resolved in the future, unlike a hardware limitation that will persistently provide suboptimal FSR.

>>105644456
>Deny your own experience
>GeForce is a perfect utopia
>The drivers are fine stop questioning goyim, if something goes wrong it's all your fault
Nividiots are the same as the apple cult at this point

>>105644483
Never said the drivers are perfect, but they're getting better with every new update.
The instabilities are part of being an early adopter, this isn't just limited to graphics cards.

>>105644501
>The instabilities are part of being an early adopter
Seems like being an early adopter of shartwell has been way worse than being an early adopter of rdna 4. End of discussion you lost.

>>105644530
Except AMD Radeon has more open issues and is addressing them at a slower pace.
Look at all those stutters and crashes, kek.
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-25-6-1.html

>>105644540
>Nvidia is le fine despite what everyone has been saying for months
>It's actually radeon that's broke lolol amd suxxx
And just like that you revealed your gand that you're a biased nvidia fanboy. Keep glazing jensens cock for free loser

>>105644540
the only genuine issue is the chrome one and theres several workarounds

>>105644587
Driver-related bugs are being addressed with every new update, and it's not "glazing Jensen" to claim NVIDIA designs GPUs that are superior to AMD's.
When deciding between a 5070Ti or a 9070XT, people say the 9070XT needs to be significantly cheaper to justify its purchase over the 5070Ti.
Because NVIDIA makes better GPUs & has a mature feature set.

You know I'm not lying, because AMD admitted they needed to discount the 9070XT to get a better launch reception/review.

>>105644609
By this standard, there are no genuine issues left with GeForce drivers.

>>105644636
>Changes topic again from drivers to "my gpu is better" fanboy bullshit which isn't what this conversation was about
Yeah thanks for proving my point retarded fanboy. Impossible to have an honest discussion with a brand cultist.

>>105644711
The GeForce drivers just keep getting better, while AMD Radeon GPUs remain inferior.
That's the reality. That's why you're posting outdated thumbnails or retards with multiple chinkshit monitors connected to their 5090.

Integrated GPU chads FEASTIN on drivers

So I guess enkidu is back posting without his charts so people don't realize it's him. Make sure you check the imgur link in the pastebin in the OP guys. Very interesting info indeed!

>>105644689
nvidia still calls their mpo broken
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157/related/1

>>105644782
KEEEEEEEK
And just like that the njudea shill is btfo

>>105644768
I'm not that guy, and you're acting like the Radeon version of the mass-replier with your OP and your stale thumbnail/video snapshots.
It's not fanboying to claim GeForce drivers have been getting better since the RTX 50 series launch, and NVIDIA objectively designs better GPU than AMD.
That's why AMD felt the need to offer a "launch price" promotion for their 9070XT, and possibly the 9060XT.

>>105644782
Once again, MPO issues can only be fixed by Microsoft because it's a Windows / DirectX issue.
NVIDIA provided that workaround because it was the only thing they could do on their end.

>>105644794
Technical issues don't always boil down to blaming either NVIDIA or AMD.
Don't act like that third-world retard.

yall said 64 gb of ram was overkill yet the recommended spec for borderlands 4 is 32gb?

>>105644806
Been two weeks since launch and 9060 XT 16gb can still be back ordered for msrp on bestbuy in Canada. It's at msrp or close to it everywhere except the US. 9070 XT has Been going down in price every month since launch.

>>105644892
All you're proving is AMD got their original pricing horribly wrong, and they can't compete against NVIDIA at price parity.

>105644905
Never said that it's okay for AMD gpus to be the same price as the nvidia equivalent. They have to offer better value which they do. This was a conversation about driver problems and you've shutdown now and just started spamming "GeForce better durrr!!!!" because you're a braindead fanboy. Not giving (You) anymore replies

>>105644931
>This was a conversation about driver problems
And I've said multiple times, the drivers just keep getting better :-)
Radeon's inferior GPUs will always remain the same.

12volt high failure will always be an inherently flawed fire hazard

>>105644962
So this isn't about the drivers anymore? Kek.
He's covered under warranty.

Thank you Nvidia!!! Pulling 600 watts or more maxing out the connector or going over what's it's rated for even with a 10% safety margin (8pins had an 80% safety margin) and no load balancing to make sure an equal amount of power is going through each wire. Perfectly safe!

>>105644993
>>105645014
It's an indefensible issue, but the problem is people keep buying these cards.

I hate how websites lie about prices, they show you these reasonable prices for what you think you are getting but actually that's just the base price for basically nothing and the final price is thousands more.
I wanted to build a desk with that epoxy look where it looks like there is a river going through your desk. Found a nice looking one for 900 bucks. Buuuuuut actually its 3 grand if you want anything except a tiny block of unfinished shit wood. Fuck you dickheads, show the actual price upfront instead of tricking me into thinking it was a good deal.

>>105644986
>>105644933
Nvidia gpus have an inferior unsafe power delivery method and it keeps getting worse :-)
Radeon's superior 8 pins will remain the same

>>105645027
I didn't buy it, not my problem. ;)

>>105645139
Same with standing desks. Oh neat they are having a sale desk is 500 bucks. Actually no that's just the legs, and they are painted some stupid color. If you want an actual desk you know to do desk stuff on it's way more. But we don't tell you that up front so you can get tricked into clicking on our website seeing the sale price of just the legs even though the ad says desk. Fuck you too flexispot.

sorry to disturb your shill out but how good is the Xiaomi G Pro 27i for 330€?

>>105644933
The missing hardware and quality control just keep getting worse :-)
Radeon's superior GPUs will always remain the same not missing any hardware.

>>105645143
>>105645153
The safety margin issue is only applicable to 5090 & 4090 owners, that's why some higher-end 9070XT uses these 12V-2x6 connectors.
Only a very small set of retards managed to melt these connectors on a 4080.

A 9070 XT owner like you was priced out of the 4090 and 5090 to begin with :-)

>>105645203
Jokes on you my computer is 11 years old and I just wanted to shitpost. I have no dog in this fight. :D

>>105645198
Except the 5090 with missing ROPs runs faster than any fully-configured Radeon card out in the market :-)
These guys are all covered by their warranties and will be made whole :-)

Lolllllll

>>105645203
I honestly think the cable itself would be fine if they bothered having just a small bit of load balancing on the receiving side.

The GeForce cpu overhead just keep getting worse :-)
Radeon's superior smart access memory GPUs will always remain the same beating $3000+ njudea gpus in cpu bottlenecked scenarios

>>105645231
>HOLY MOLY IF I FREEZE FRAME AND ZOOM IN 500% THE SQUIGGLY LINE IS 2% LESS SQUIGGLY ON THE WAHOOZIT SETTING VS THE OTHER GUYS SETTING
Have sex nerd, none of this shit matters and you'll never notice it while actually playing games. You know the thing you don't actually do.

>>105645183
There are product reviews available online, seems decent.
Buy it, test it, and return it if you don’t like it.
The most common complaint with these miniLED monitors is the janky transition from SDR to HDR.

I like the lancool 217 but is it worth it to get those side cable Corsair shift psus even though the lancool lets you sideways mount basically any psu. The benefit would be side mounted cables while still being able to switch the psu off

>>105645368
Forgot to mention, back connect motherboards, overpriced flavor of the month meme or the next big thing?

Completed it on Intel Arc.
Black Boobs 3 is not that bad.

>>105645368
Those Shift PSUs are usually discounted, worth buying if there’s enough case clearance for that cable configuration.

>>105645374
Overpriced and limited model choice, buy it if you like the design.
You don’t get to build a new PC very often.

There is a pretty nice prebuilt pretty close to what I wanted to build for myself, but apparently the gpu is too powerful for the cpu.
https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/1je1hj/2/cpu-intense-tasks/1920x1080/

How seriously should I take these bottleneck calculators?

>>105645442
Site is begging me to disable adblocker, tell us the CPU and GPU in this build

>>105645472
Strange I use the arkenfox user.js and ublock and i never have issues with any site.
Anyway its a ryzen 7700x with a rx 7800 xt.

>>105645513
There’s no CPU bottleneck for that combination, even a 7500F would be fine for gaming.

>>105644869
> yall said 64 gb of ram was overkill
I said it's just enough.

>>105644869
The game isn't going to eat all that - it is just between windows, your discord, three (3) chrome tabs and the game all that likely won't fit in 16gb so the next jump is 32gb.

>>105645536
The calculator on pc-builds reports a 5% bottleneck on general tasks and 11% on cpu intensive ones.
The cpu intensive one worries me especially since the main reason i am going for this build is ps3 emulation.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rpq_2D4Rf3g6O-x2R1fwTSKWvJH7X63kExsVxHnT2Mc/htmlview

>>105645571
Why are you asking for opinions if you’re just going to trust what a fucking bottleneck calc tells you?

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/8.html
Those performance figures are based on a test PC with a 4090.
A 7700X won’t bottleneck your 7800XT.

I need mouse recs. I have loved my G502 for a long time but G Hub is fucking shit and I'm done with it.

>>105644205
it's poor people fighting the wrong enemy

>>105645608
Well its like getting a second opinion from a doctor or something I guess.
Anyway, thanks.

>>105645401
Hi Intel Arc! Can you release B770 soon?
Please and thank you!

Fried my 6700 xt and replaced it with a 4060 and it's shit. So flaky and unstable.

Anyone have a good concise list of GPUs and their price/performance?

Is there a sweet spot right now? Can you just tell me what GPU I should buy?

>>105645711
Sounds like you're a lower end budget gaymer so 9060 XT 16GB is gonna be your best bet. Come home radeon xister and enjoy working drivers and enough vram for 1440p gaming.

>>105645784
Cool. Is the 4060 just a POS or did I get unlucky? Looking into warranty stuff.

>>105645799
no it's just a garbage scam gpu like all 60 class nvidia cards have been for years now.

>>105645822
Super. Going to have a hard time selling it.

>>105643859 (OP)
Why no Intel for CPU? Are there legit reasons or just retarded fanboy bullshit?

>>105645855
Modern Intel CPUs perform worse than a couple of generations ago for gaming, and AMD has owned productivity basically since Ryzen launched, or at the very least since Zen 2. There's just no good reason to buy Intel right now.

>>105644587
It's impressive how bad 50 series has been on top of the arrogance to charge so much for it. Which of course it's not worth that, that's why the prices are falling, and people are still not buying them.

>>105644205
3rd world retards on their 1050 laptops fighting each other with youtube benchmark videos.

>>105645855
265k is kind of worth it with the price drop, problem is getting the motherboard + fast ram at a good price

>>105643975

5070 Ti also works like garbage in this. You need to use DLSS performance to have fps above 60. Why the fuck even use PT? 10% better graphics for -70% fps.

>>105645855
Terrible value. Expensive motherboards. Next gen CPUs will use a new socket. Intel is simply a disaster right now. At least for desktops, they are a bit better with laptops.

what's the deal with pre builts these days? i haven't looked at them in ages when they were ridiculously over priced. it seems like a lot of them are reasonably priced now, are they scamming with used parts or something?

>>105646142
System integrators are feeling the demand drop, and some of them stockpiled on PC components due to tariff uncertainties.
Arrow Lake being underwhelming for gaming didn’t help either.
They need cash, so they’re cutting prices.

https://www.techpowerup.com/338141/intel-showcases-18a-node-performance-25-faster-and-40-lower-power-draw
https://www.techpowerup.com/338075/intel-nova-lake-s-platform-and-8-000-mt-s-memory-configuration-leaks#comments
Things could be looking up for Intel?

Any reason why the plus is cheaper than the non plus?

>>105646271
This thing doesn’t even have a release date yet, Intel’s shitting out Arrow Lake Refresh first.
It’s not like AMD’s just idling.

Choice 1: Sell my computer and buy a new one

2: Swap the GPU which isn't working well and try to sell the old one

3: Swap out the GPU and the CPU to get in line with winblows 11 requirements

4: Swap the GPU, sell the old one, and install Linux and forget about upgrading my CPU.

I should say that I've never been really happy with this computer. The mobo was a black Friday deal and I think it was a bit scammy.

>>105646282
>It’s not like AMD’s just idling.
Eh, Zen 5% was about as close as they could get in all but name. Hoping Zen 6 is more impressive.

>>105646271
This will be going against ZEN7. Also CPUs are now advancing just as slowly as GPUs. 90% of people don't need all those cores.

>>105646298
ZEN5 X3D is good. Intel literally went back in performance. The only real mistake was trying to sell non X3D ZEN5 to gamers.

>>105646305
It was very recently that GPUs were still advancing much faster than CPUs. Blackwell node stall really did a number on that.

>>105644869
64gb is so cheap now you'd be dumb not to get it on a high-end build

I want these as stickers so I can put them inside random PCs I build and forget about them. And in 10 years someone picks it up from a garage sale and decides to take it apart to find Teto Kasane Graphics.

>>105646082
>Next gen CPUs will use a new socket
When is that happening and what does that mean exactly? Is that like the AM4/5 thing? Does that mean I'll need all new parts and a new motherboard that only fits AM6 stuff?

Do bottom case fans make a noticeable impact on gpu cooling? When I see reviews its usual with default fans, or they use a standard layout that doesn't include the bottom ones

>>105646394
That's happening in >18 months
Intel's about to release arrowlake refresh that slots into the same lga1851 boards currently on the market

>>105646446
they will make idle gpu temps worse but significantly improve load temps

also more airflow over the 12vmelt connector is always a bonus

Would the jump from a 3060Ti to a 9070XT be worth it?

Is there an easy way to input my gaming goals and get a PC build spit out at me?

I want to be able to input "1440p 60fps ultra settings" and see the best build for that goal.

>>105646486
I'd say the raw performance jump is worth it (if you don't use DLSS/RT a lot), depending on the pricing.

>>105646446
yes, they do help, especially if they are intakes

>>105646531
Well yeah I want to try some RT (the 3060Ti can't do RT at all at 1440p).
>Price
The cheapest 5070Ti is 220US$ more expensive than the 9070XT Pulse OC in my country

>>105646487
you have to be more specific. 1440p 60fps in WHAT game? "latest games" is too vague.

>>105646598
well, regardless of game, is there a site like that?

>>105646487
Maybe 9070 non-XT is enough for 60FPS, not for RT.
Ryzen 7500F or 7600/9600X should be good enough.

It's another /pcbg/ that is actually almost entirely /graphicscardsg/.

>>105646609
pcpartpicker? you can literally pick a build someone else already did with pictures, prices, info, and all.

>>105646487
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Game+Testing&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date
at least you can refer to this for gpu, like the other anon say it depends on the game, expedition 33 run like crap on most gpu

>>105646454
How will idle temps be worse?

>>105646446
Why would you think there's no impact? More fans blowing directly into a cooler is obviously better. It even makes it more likely you can reach fan stop temps since the case fans will be doing the work, and of course its easier to replace case fans when they get old.

It is actually something to consider when it comes to reviews. They will tend to use stock fan configs. In some designs like fishtanks with a wide open case bottom it can be a significant difference if it includes bottom fans or not.

I just boughted a $599 9070 pulse...

>>105646635
In 5 years people would be plugging their CPUs and SSDs into their gpuboards

>>105646763
after you install your gpu, run gpu-z and check whether you have good hynix vram (standard perf) or crappy samsung vram (-2% perf)

>>105646635
I don't understand why either. Most people here are Windowsfags. Gpu wars matter way more on Linux where the difference between amd and nvidia is the difference between your desktop working or not.

>>105646765
Honestly that one nvidia card using 8 lanes with nvme slot filling out the rest of the x16 slot was a cool idea...

>>105646702
the bottom fans circulate heat that is being expelled from the computer

it doesn't make sense i know, but that's just something i've noticed in my 30 somethings years of building pcs. bottom intake always increases idle gpu temps by 2-3 degrees

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-astral-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-gddr7-pci-express-5-0-graphics-card-black/6614120.p?skuId=6614120

>still in stock
All that's left is a price drop and society will start healing.

>>105646939
people finally realize they don't need more or need to run ai locally when they can use the cloud

>>105646939
>it's actually in stock
whew lad i would never buy one but that is good news

>build new PC
>9600x
>9060 xt
>excited to try it out
>realise every new game is rollslop or wokeshit
>turn up TW WH3 graphics
>barely looks better
>turn up CP2077 graphics
>barely looks better
>just play CS2 at 500fps instead of 250

eh

>>105646985
Aside from the random indie game video games are a creatively dead medium. No point in building a super system when anything worth playing was made 10+ years ago.

>>105646985
At least you won't be caught out by any hidden gems?

I think I will get 4k again over 1440p ultra high retard hz after for the following reasons
>can't view 4k media on 1440p on desktop
>text will look like ass on desktop
>spend even more time on media and desk top most likely than in games
and that is really it
guess if you are really spergy you need a dual screen in current year too
but idk, maybe 500hz is worth it idk

daily reminder to never bend the knee to the msi jew, a monitor should never have a forced panel restart under any circumstance out side of user control
I will never buy a msi product until they are no longer retarded

daily blog post done

>>105647148
I spend more time on 4chan than anything else. Oled would be a waste for me and the top third of my screen would burn in.
Also you could just sit a little further back and the difference between 1440p and 4k disappears.

>>105647148
just run two monitors?

>>105646985
you need a 5090 + 4k 77" Oled to enjoy gaming in 2025, it's the bare new minimum
anything else than that and you are not jumping enough to get a dopaminergic shock to your system

>>105647227
i think you're right
i get my dopamine from tryhard CS2 premier matches, nothing single player comes close

>>105647198
>Oled would be a waste for me and the top third of my screen would burn in.
yeah but I'm not gonna waste my time buying into a shit lcd and use it just for this purpose
if people already got landfill level lcds in use I mean I guess you already got it
I got rid of all my shit so I'm back to 0
no reason to buy into slop on purpose

>Also you could just sit a little further back and the difference between 1440p and 4k disappears.
not gonna lie, this is an insane take (for the worse)

>>105647200
this is what the east gives you, meanwhile all western woke devs are giving you butch androgynous a/b characters
the whole world is so absurd it's just funny

>>105647212
that is gay because of 2 reasons
>one monitor will always be your off angle monitor, or you have keep shit on a monitor arm and swing them back and forth into vision
>but you can use a dual-mode monitor!
pressing a button and swapping res is both time consuming and gay also
anything that introduces work or friction into life = bad
things will get old QUICK, just like an oled refresh that randomly triggers on a set schedule, it will ruin your QoL
I am too lazy for this
I guess I will accept the 4k240hz compromise
I don't care enough

>>105647251
in that case I hope you bought a 480hz oled

>>105647227
You're like the MVP of /pcbg/, and it's not even close.

>>105647268
>im too weak and malnourished to adjust a monitor arm

>>105647268
>not gonna lie, this is an insane take (for the worse)
But it's literally true, pixel perception disappears at a certain distance.

It is over for jewvidia, our boy did a video on optiscaler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcESQhJVfE

>>105647312
based daniel owen btfos the njudea shills again. FSR 4 opitscaler is good and works in most dlss games. radeon won.

I have not and will not ever use an upscaler. If I cannot get acceptable performance by turning down settings at my resolution, the game is simply not worth playing.

>>105647475
real chads supersample

>>105647475
This would be a reasonable opinion if many modern games didn't look worse if you aren't using an upscaler due to shitty TAA. So you'd be fine playing a game with lower settings at "native" with worse image quality as long as it hit's 60 fps but aren't willing to use an upscaler which will remove TAA blur, artifacts, etc and look better? Doesn't really make sense desu.

>>105647507
Blame Unreal Stutter 5

Will 4k gaming always be out of reach of consumer grade GPUs?

>>105647689
What the fuck are you talking about? You can 4k game on a 10 year old card. Just turn down the shadows and turn off the fag tracing.

>>105647277
he's a funny guy
latest rage
>samsung s25u has a anti reflex coating and it's fucked up

>>105647289
is this where I defend my strenght? you are right and wrong at the same time
it's more about the annoyance factor, I even brought up pressing a button as being annoying, you think adjusting monitor layout is not even stratospherically larger than that?
maybe it's worth it, maybe not
I can't tell since I have not tried and I can't rely on eceleb takes about what is good and what is not since they are all paid shills and retarded

>>105647293
>you don't need a gpu upgrade just move further and further away from the screen and lower render detail
POV you are in the year 2030 and you are now sitting across the room rendering at 240p

>>105647312
this guy has a job and is double dipping yt revenue with 250k subs
good morning I hate daniel owen!

>>105647689
you can render 16k just fine in games right now
but maybe run into issues with the game crashing

>>105647672
Yep, Unreal and Temporal AA have ruined graphics

>>105647715
>You can 4k game on a 10 year old card

It's time to stop your coping, old man. Upgrade now.

>>105647689
4K gaming is overrated for 27" monitors and under.

I get the UHD+ ultrawide/VR gaming, to a point.
Game developers don't put enough effort into offering an amazing ultrawide gaming experience, you always have to go dumpster diving for mods.
The same can be said of HDR gaming.

>>105647689
A 5060 Ti / 9060 XT can manage 4k60. You just have to not have unrealistic standards such as 4k60 Ultra or 4k120. The real question is why are consumers today so incredibly spoiled.

>>105647838
>4k gaming overrated on small display
maybe
>4k display overrated
I don't think so

>>105645686
Maybe, maybe not.

Completed and this one on Intel Arc.
But i dont get why Germans are bad boys again?

>>105647875
It's our job to consoom. It's the manufacturer's job to produce. That's how it works. That's how things are done.

does Western Digital make PCIe 5.0 SSDs?
total noob btw

>>105647507
I remember when games looked sharp and non-blurry even with deferred rendering...

>>105647956
Yes, but I wouldn't buy a Gen 5 SSD unless your workload involves things like hi-res video editing.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/benchmarks/#m=33,38&c1=di_m2.pcie_50_x2,di_m2.pcie_50_x4&sort=-randread50&page=1

best non advertiser friendly web browser for my new pc?

Which one is better?
This one?

Or this one

>>105648102
This to me better
>>105648117
This is older to me and produced by old nanometers.

>>105648102
this is twice the capacity and runs at a higher speed, it's the obvious choice.

>>105648160
>>105648127
Well let's hope it works then. I got them for $10 buckaroos on offerup.

>>105647268
120 is fine for non twitch based games and even some twitch ones that aren't that fast. I would never buy a 60hz oled though.

I'm getting tired bros. Just tired of saving money. I thought 4k120 ultra was feasible with $1000. But more and more I'm realizing even after 10 years it won't be.

>>105648181
>buy 60hz oled
like a tv or a pro model? nobody is doing that
>120hz
240hz is the new basic minimum, until they launched the 165hz 4k oleds that don't even cost less, 240 is the effective new baseline
no point in having less
no point in having less than 4k either unless you wanna make the trade of for better hdr (giant tv) or more hz 1440p
60 is fine for me too until we get better frame gen that does not just cause distortions

>>105648209
buy a 5090 or not, even then you will be using upscaling and or frame gen tactics

>>105647689
I await the day when we can play at 1080p.

What's the current best drivers for a 9070xt? The latest ones seems to fuck up my computer so I need to downgrade

>>105648209
if I could go back, I wouldn't have purchased a 4k monitor. you use upscaling even on windows just to make shit legible from a reasonable sitting distance. you don't notice any of the detail when gaming and it has a significant performance hit. you use upscaling at all gaming resolutions because it provides minimal visual differences while improving fps, and fps is what you notice when gaming.
I don't know if I would buy a 1440p 240hz or a 1080p 240hz+, or just kept using my 1080p 144hz.
panel quality and refresh rate and freesync or gsync matter more than resolution.
7800x3d + 4070 for me.

Is it worth messing with curve shaper or should I find stable per-core curve optimiser values and leave it at that?

>>105648318
>4070
>4K
What were you thinking

>>105648318
>tfw ordered a 4k Monitor just yesterday
>tfw just used to 1080p until now
I don't feel so good...

4K is only feasible with a 4090 or 5090

>>105648211
>no point having less
cost

>>105648318
Wait people buy a 4k screen for that? I bought mine to use shaderglass on 1080p or less

>>105648353
>le VRAM meme
it runs everything fine, even games that aren't optimized. this was from the beta.

>>105648009
Are there other use cases for things like DRAM and Gen 5 except video editing? Is it useful for things like gaming, photoshop, blender, music production? Or should you just go for a gen 4 dramless like SN7100 or 990 Evo Plus?

>>105648240
Do you not remember what you were on before you updated to the latest? Just rollback to that.

>>105648351
Curve Shaper is part of the PBO toolkit so I'd wait until the dying CPU shitshow is completely over.
ASRock claimed their boards were having issues because the decision to set the higher end of PBO current delivery proved to be fatal to CPUs.
It looks like AIBs are continuing to push safer BIOS updates considering ASUS' latest one won't allow users to roll back to older BIOS versions.

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-acknowledges-ryzen-9000-failures-are-linked-to-pbo-settings-releases-another-bios-fix
https://skatterbencher.com/2025/03/11/skatterbencher-85-ryzen-9-9950x3d-overclocked-to-5900-mhz/#OC_Strategy_4_Curve_Shaper

>>105648415
Not about the VRAM, the GPU chip itself isn't very strong for 4K gaming.

>>105648504
you're looking at charts that compare scenarios you won't use the card in. it's like judging which car to buy for commuting to work and buying groceries and dropping the kids off at school by comparing their 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
also gpu cost more than the monitor why wouldn't it power it?

Hold on bros, DHL still says my setup comes today. There's still hope but there is one more update that needs to happen before packages are loaded into the last delivery vehicle...
I believe!

>>105648426
Gen 4 drive with DRAM is worth buying for some productivity use cases, and I like to use it for my OS drive.
The blog post is overselling the benefits for gaming btw, the game engine itself is usually the performance bottleneck.
https://phisonblog.com/dram-or-not-the-difference-between-dram-and-dram-less-ssds-and-why-it-matters/

>>105648529
4K gaming implies high-end gaming with the least amount of compromises.
The 4070 doesn't power that experience.

>also gpu cost more than the monitor why wouldn't it power it?
That's not how this works.
By your logic, a 4070 can't power a 4K OLED monitor because the monitor costs more than the video card.

I only have gen 3 NVME drives in my system ED black SN750 and Samsung Evo 970, would gen 4 really give me a noticeable upgrade

Anyone with a 9950X3D and Arctic LF3 420? What are your temps? The NH-D15 G2 LBC on my 7800X3D would do fine but you need to milk any gains you can with this CPU so AIO it is.

>>105648565
It won't in terms of general computing and gaming.

>>105648565
Yes
No
Maybe
Truthfully the nonsense is; yes it probably will make some impact because it's roughly a doubling of performance between gen 3, 4 and 5 each step, just you have to be doing something that loads from drive a lot to notice.

>>105648562
this isn't 1980, 4k isn't some out of touch resolution. it's been mainstream for over a decade now and it's been affordable for a few years.
you're out of touch.

>>105648620
We’re specifically talking about 4K gaming.
The entire gaming GPU industry pivoted to upscaling, temporal AA, and frame generation because the chip needs all the help it can get.

first time newb here. Is this ok?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TDWJDj
Mostly want to play games, but I also do maya/zbrush/substance/unreal stuff. My shitty laptop crashes time to time especially with some unreal projects.

>>105648740
also apparently the RAM height (43 mm) slightly exceeds default fan clearance (42 mm).
idk how big of a problem that is..

>>105648740
consider getting 9950x3d with a watercooler
5090 instead of 4090
you may as well get a 4tb nvme

Between a MSI B450 Mortar Max and Asus B550M Tuf Gaming Wifi Plus 2

Which is better in general?

>>105648740
I would prefer other brands/OEM.
Lian Li sounds like shit i would pick Seasonic/SuperFlower/FSP.
Patriot is a sticker maker i would pick real manufacturer like Samsung/Micron-Crucial.
Western-Digital good at HDD, but SSD i would pick Samsung/Micron-Crucial.
People says 5090.

>105648880
>brand tard

>>105648391
Based FOTM AAA only enjoyer.

>>105648819
B550 has PCIe 4.0 for the GPU and main SSD but Asus's B550 boards all lack the header for front USB-C which is annoying if if your case has it. Also B550M is mATX which I wouldn't get if you're building inside an ATX case.
Can't you find an MSI/Gigabyte B550 board (not B550M)?

>>105648620
If every slider isn't all the way to the right what is even the point? Might as well play on a ps4 otherwise.

>>105648885
I see nothing bad at helping hard working people to improve a bit their capitalisation and not to give money to some fake brands that produces only badges.

>>105648915
What's prime FOTM AAA slop I should play?

>>105648749
It's a typical dual tower cooler, so what that means is you have to clip on the front fan a few rungs higher on the heatsink so that it doesn't touch the RAM sticks. Actually I'm not even sure if touching would do anything, just don't put pressure on the sticks at least.

Yuuko sez: Brand wars are uncool, buy hardware according to your needs, wants, and budget. Do not listen to shills.

Can someone recommend an htpc build or mini PC build? I just want something to stream 4k/output 4k to my TV.

>>105648962
we stellar blade nao

>>105648987
I'm still waiting on a sale. Will definitely play it but not for 60 bucks

>>105648967
Touching ram does nothing.

>>105648992
support game devs who makes games you want by buying their games at full price, christ

I already have my 10 year build that may only need a GPU upgrade more than halfway through its lifespan, I'm pretty sure the 9800x3d will last that long in theory (unless it dies physically and no one knows yet), but I still like to open PC part picker and put together mishmashes of parts. One to maximize cost along brand lines, one to minimize cost, one to be an ITX for my mam and pops even if a mini PC might be better, one to be an ITX in a fancy (dumb) shaped case...

Re-experiencing building a PC vicariously through menu screens.

>>105648962
dune, stellar blade.
scroll twitch and it tags new games when you browse the categories list.

>>105649015
path traced cp is still the go to title for testing new gpus
its weird the industry cant do anything better but I gues they're all waiting for the next iteration of unreal 5

>>105649014
I do this too and I have no intention of upgrading my 14900k or 5080 until 2030 at the soonest...

>>105648760
>9950x3d
it's like twice the price. Is it worth?
>>105648880
I changed the brands. I think the prices are ok. A bit more expensive tho.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2xXVPJ

>>105649043
the 90xx cpus have the L3 cache under the ccd which helps with thermals and perf a lot
then 16 cores obviously helps a lot with productivity perf compared to 8

>>105649020
It's not about what the industry can or cannot do. CeePee has a sci-fi setting with a lot of different kinds of lighting and is a city-type setting so the density of the environment is very high. There are outdoor areas to test other rendering qualities as well. It is an ideal benchmark game.

>>105649051
>a lot
A bit*

>>105649015
I saw dune but isn't it just another survival mmo? Like rust and whatnot.

>105649043
>tricked by a shill into paying more for names on the box
OH NO NO NO
another sucker is born every minute kek

>>105649103
it's not THAT much expensive (like only 10 bucks more fore some). it's the CPU and GPU that eats up the most.

>>105648740
8 cores is not enough for 3D. your 2nd build is good and will last you for a long time

For front intakes what would be the preferred setup - 2x140mm or 3x120mm?

>>105649167
3rd fan will mostly blow into the area with psu shroud?

>>105649203
No. Only over the motherboard and the usual gubbins connected to it. PSU is doing the usual thing of choking to death on its own.

>>105649222
weirdly high case then

most of the time 2x 140 would be better

>>105649225
>weirdly high case then
Pop air XL. The lower portion where psu sits is full of drive caddies.

>>105649043
You're being upsold the highest end processor because you're picking a class 90 GPU and mentioned doing some productivity work, though the choice of 40 series is odd unless you have your eye on a used item. If buying new go for 50 series no contest. Still realistically if you want to just be able to work on small Unreal projects without crashing, you can do with a lot less hardware for less money, especially since this is your first desktop. What's your laptop's specs to begin with?

>>105649263
>What's your laptop's specs to begin with?
I got it 4ish years ago.
Lenovo laptop with a RTX 4070 with i7 13700hx. 32 gb of RAM.
I didn't know anything at the time but the 8gb of vram was pretty not good I think. It can run most things just fine though. heats up like a furnace sometimes.

>>105649241
3x120mm would be better, there's nothing obstructing them

>>105649335
r7 would look like this

Are cheap chink fans ok? i.e not break or rattle after 10h of use ?

rate please

>>105649557
>9070 xt

>105649577
>>9070 xt
>>105649557
10 out of 10

>105649577
>t.
>>105649557
10 out of 10

>>105649557
CPU is based. Not a fan of Liquid coolers myself. Would never use a Lian case as I know a tranny with that name, but I hear they are good. The 9070 XT is used by many anons, probably good, unless you want to do something with AI.

>105649577
>t.
>>105649557
10 out of 10

>>105649557
that 9070xt really should not be that expensive

>>105649612
>>105649619
>>105649633
bwo.....

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>Njudea
>AMDicklets
ARChads will bury them both

>>105649783
>Budget gpu
>Doesn't work in budget builds or older systems
Impressive craptel managed to make a GPU architecture with more overhead than nshartia. They should just declare bankruptcy already before they embaraas themselves even more with Nova lake and get raped by zen 6.

>>105649744
Who knew that people weren't memeing and it isn't some smear campaign. Turns out Nvidia drivers are in a poor state!
>unpossible!

>>105649320
I do wonder if it's just the laptop penalty in play here. A 4070 really isn't a bad card, but the laptop variant has its VRAM and bus speed cut.

>>105649817
It's a copy pasta

nvidia xisters how do you like my new build with 5090 FE??? I love generating AI female versions of myself in stable diffusion to make myself feel valid whenever my neo vagina starts hurting too much.

Should I just wait until AM7?

>>105649901
Do you want to pay $400 for 32gb of high latency ddr6 ram in 2027?

>>105649633
ty
>>105649626
oh shit really? why is that card sucky for ai?

>>105650047
Only works in Linux

>>105650047
Because it's AMD and for AI gen you definitely want cuda which is only available on NVIDIA gpus. What do you want to do, image gen or text gen?

After deep introspection and pondering the orb I've come to the final end game truth after considering all alternatives and I ended up at the same place I was months ago.... that the answer to the display question still is the pg32ucdm, 5000 series fixed all dsc memes, the least shitty osd with most features, we are stuck in eternal dsc-hell regardless, 4k480 will use dsc and so forth, there is no escaping it
this is the best all around solution for all intent purposes... I should have bought it when it was on black friday sale, still that price dip has not been beaten to this day, although it was a limited one day sale from a store, I would have been happy... months ago, never the less, prices have come down again, I guess this is it, it seems there will be nothing better dropping until we get 4k480
join the republic or perish, simple as

>>105648403
there is also no point in being poor, which circles back to the point

>>105648318
>you use upscaling even on windows just to make shit legible from a reasonable sitting distance
yeah scaling makes shit look non shit 1:1 looks shit, do smartphones look better than your pc? the answer is yes, because 500ppi scaled

>you don't notice any of the detail when gaming
sitting too far away, too small screen, kind of agree but not totally no
>and it has a significant performance hit
you can modulate your performance, irrelevant to screen res, native died a long time ago
>I don't know if I would buy a 1440p 240hz or a 1080p 240hz+, or just kept using my 1080p 144hz.
who is your fent dealer I wanna know because you trippin rn

>>105650168
hello saars

>>105649875
>theme pc
>accepts nigger cards that dont match the theme
why dont you use some AI on your case while youre at it.

>>105650203
im gonna redeem rashjeet

Well vid related just happened. Was so excited with my new RTX 5060 PC joining GeForce gamers around the world (fuck ayymd) and then this. What do I do? I can get warranty right?! Please don't bully me for my appearance.

>>105650347
your gpu, psu, and cable manufactuerer will all fight to get you to give up trying to warrenty.

Nvidia driver issues still not fixed nonstop crashing in Wuthering Waves and PSO2

>>105648918
I don't care about USB-c, it's the temperature and fan control I care about, yes it's a mATX board because it is for a microtower, I am looking for the coolest and silent AM4 mATX board

>>105648536
Update: these fuckers now say there were technical problems and it's coming tomorrow. I hate the Antichrist so much it's unreal

>>105643563
Found a pair.
Turns out if you want USB-C power AND a 3.5mm jack for Audio, your selection is pretty limited as shit is either SUB-C and Bluetooth or 3.5mm but USB-A (I just didn't want to fuck with adapters and shit)
No clue if it's gonna be good or not but it's about what you get.

>>105650347
Pic unrelated. That's actually a 9060xt

>>105650347
Bro I'm gonna be honest, I see it through the glass, if your PSU comes with the kind of cable where wires are an exposed rainbow just before they go into the connector, you should probably avoid that kind of PSU.
It's not a 100% written in stone rule, but it's a good rule of thumb. There's a ton of shit you can cheap out on while building a PC, PSU is definitely not it.
The logic is simple. If the manufacturer isn't even willing to provide quality with the cheapest, easiest to see part - the wire, what are the chances they won't cut corners and get the cheapo shit on pricier internals that you can't easily inspect?

>>105650541
>>105650347
>ketchup and yellow mustard psu cables
yeah the sign of a deathtrap power supply unit. its like hooking it up to the electric chair.

Finally some good fucking food

None of that radeon crap

>>105650487
I had them and first the bluetooth broke
Then the USB-C broke
Then the headphone jack broke

Said fuck it and put in some bookshelf speakers and a dac instead

>>105650682
All I see is good reviews both youtube and consumer. I suppose everyone has their own RNG. I'm 39 years old and the monitor I bought a couple days ago was the first time in my life that I had a display work out of the box and didn't have a bunch of dead pixels or a crack somewhere. And It's probably like tenth or fifteenth time I bought a display in my life.

>>105643859 (OP)
What is this retarded OP post?
>1440p: only 90s series
I got a 7800xt plays most games 165fps ez

>>105650793
Yeah that's what happens when a retarded AMDrone is the only one that bothers to make the thread and spends 100 posts spamming every thread

>7800XT
only RDNA4 exists to him now a few months ago only the 7900XTX existed to him

>>105650793
Sexy build.

>>105650664
the price? is it a upgrade from a 5800x3d?

>>105650852
no price
performance said to be similar to the 7800X3D

I'm looking to buy an external ssd for my pc (~$30). There's 2 that caught my attention: Kioxia Exceria 480gb and a used 850evo 500gb (other samsung sata ssds are no longer available). I'm just using it to store random stuff and maybe install some games on it. The Kioxia doesn't seem to have DRAM and I'm not sure if that's bad for the ssd's longevity. Which one should I get?

>>105650664
isn't it a 6 core? when games are starting to utilize 8 already
just wait for lower binned 9800x3d aka 9700x3d

>>105650929
i dont think any game uses 8 cores for gameplay. its only for shader compilation which happens once.

>>105650923
I had the kioxia a couple years ago that worked fine until I upgraded to a bigger drive. I'd rather that than a used ssd. Those drives still need an enclosure or at least power they aren't external drives. An external would be like the samsung T7 or crucial X9

>tud 3080 10g user here
>with a 7800x3d
>about to buy a msi suprim 5080 for 1.5k at 250 bucks for 6 months at 0%
>would buy a new psu corsair rm1000x with 3.1 thingy
talk me out of it

>>105651052
>financing a gpu
grim

>>105651068
yea

>>105651072
1.5k is too much for a gpu. a 9070xt is like what 10% slower but half the price?

>>105651093
but i want memelss anon i got a 4k moni

It's so over.

>>105651095
5070ti and you have more than 500$ left for a psu

>>105651052
if it's on finance just get the 5090

>>105651102
not enough for 4k
>>105651103
i don't want to burn my house down that bad

>>105651052
The card's way too overpriced, even a manual OC won't beat a stock 4090 and you're getting less VRAM.
You're also in an awkward spot where next year's refresh cards aren't too far away, you'll likely regret buying a 5080 for $1500 after they're announced.

>>105651109
Bro I'm using 7090XT and it's enough for 4k. What the fuck are you trying to achieve? 500fps?

>>105651102
>500$ left for a psu
If you buy a PSU for 500 bucks, you really need to re-think your life. Imo.

there's no justifying the 1.5x-2x price jump from 5070ti to 5080

>>105651130
i mean as in anon would be paying 1k for the 5070ti (still overpriced) and have more than enough money for a psu

>>105651119
fully agree
>>105651124
a steady 200ish fps consistently

>>105651139
>>105651139
>>105651139

>>105651142
>a steady 200ish fps consistently
With fucking what? You'd have to use framegen upscaling and drop the settings to mid on pretty much anything that came out in the last five years to be able to hit 200 consistently on 4k.

>>105650793
7800 XT is fine but why would the OP recommend last gen cards? FSR 4 alone makes buying older gen radeon cards unless it's used for a really good price kind of stupid desu.

>>105651163
And that's best done with a 5080/5090
Radeon optiscaler lossless framegen junk cannot compete

>>105650793
>blazing red hot LEDs
>in summer
ABORT ABORT ABORT

>>105649043
>I changed the brands. I think the prices are ok. A bit more expensive tho.
There 6000/6400 more pricey Crucial sticks, but you should be able to overclock those 5600 wo issues.