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>What software should I run?
Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.

>Why should I have a home server?
De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.

>Links & resources
Cool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
https://reddit.com/r/datahoarder
https://www.labgopher.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/index
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Features
ARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQ
Low-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI
SFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/
Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/
PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf
>i226-V NICs are bad for servers
>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT mode
WiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn (embed)
Cockpit is nice for remote administration

Remember:
RAID protects you from DOWNTIME
BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS

>>105654047 (OP)
>Cockpit is nice for remote administration
correct, your mom can follow directions over the phone.

Stupid question here:

I was once made fun of for doing my torrenting on a Windows 10 VM (and using a desktop mainstream VPN provider within the VM) running on a single core of my e-waste 12 year old office computer's paid basic Unraid setup, as though it was somehow inefficient. Why is it stupid?

>>105654047 (OP)
Is it possible to route SFP cables through doorslits like Ethernet cables? Pic rel on the left, the Ethernet cable that's connecting my room to the router which sits in my floor.
>Just drill a hole into the wall
Can't. I'm renting and cannot drill through-holes. Also some of my walls are 10 inches thick bricks (German post-war built) so even if I was allowed to drill, it wouldn't be an easy task.

>>105654197
Oh I have a random weird OEM'd gigabyte server motherboard, it's very odd. The server has a delidded i9-7980xe under an AIO in it.

>>105654441
use cable like your pic, if the door is stuck file it just enough

>>105654463
>>105654197
what colors are they

>>105654441
>INB4 Just route it below the door.
LOL. LMAO. Life just loves to fuck me over some way or another.

>>105654464
Won't the cable break if I give it 90° bends?
Also can't file the door. I'd have to buy another when I move out in the future.

>>105654483
lime the top and no one will see, if you are really scared of leaving a mark : white paint and glue before moving out;
for the bend : depends on the cable, don't force it to much, but they can take a bit of abuse

>>105654507
Very well.
Is there a way to test if it works before I spend several hundred bux on hardware? With a single strand or something?

>>105654441
>I'm renting and cannot drill through-holes.
Did you ask the landlord? If you get a professional to do a proper cable channel/patch panel, they might allow it if it improves the apartment.

>>105654630
>Did you ask the landlord?
Yes, they said no drilling. And even if they allowed me to drill, they're going back on their words often. A while ago i had beef with them about my business' nameplate on my mailbox (one man software engineering that builds custom software for small to middle size business). "Your house is strictly housing, not an office, remove the plate or we will evict you" type of bullshit. They gave me written permission to mount the plate years ago, but it didn't matter.
They're very anal about this kind of stuff. Which is funny as balls because in a few weeks a Telekom dude is going to show up an drill a hole next to the entrance door of every single flat in the house for FTTH.
>If you get a professional to do a proper cable channel/patch panel, they might allow it if it improves the apartment.
It's a 60 year old piece of shit city owned building that is slowly falling apart, the only "improvement" they're doing is renovating the flats from poverty spec to luxury apartments (lipstick on a pig) when the old tenants leave and increasing rent from ~800€ (old lease contracts) to over 2000€ a month. It's not section 8 like as it's supposed to be regular housing for regular people, but there's this thing called "Wohngeld" ("residency-money") where people from poorer backgrounds get taxpayer-money for free to live in well off neighborhoods so no ghettos form. Also the more people live in a flat, the more money they get so the people who receive wohngeld breed like crazy, there's like 3 to 4 children with another one on the way living in the 10 or so square meter room below my /hsg/ room.
The landlord has become toxic in the past few years, trying to evict everyone for the slightest thing due to greed. But this is moving off-topic so I'll cut it here.

>>105654913
>over 2000€ a month
I hope you live in a very expensive metro area because that's crazy. My rent was like 800€/month and even my mortgage payments don't come close to that.

>>105654933
It's the city center of shithole in Germany, I don't think I need to mention the name.
Thankfully my rent is just around 800€, but I know for a fact that the family just below my flat is paying just over 2400€ a month.

>>105654441
>SFP cables
You mean fiber cables? They are quite small and thin so you can squeeze them through small gaps but at the same time are more fragile and can't / shouldn't be bent as sharply as copper cables. If you mean SFP DACs those are just copper and as such are less fragile, though the lengths available are quite short AFAIK.

>>105655170
However which way I can get 10/25/40/100 Gbit/s from one room to another without drilling holes man.
I've tried looking for flat DACs like in my pic, but couldn't find any.

I'm still planning and open for everything (minus drilling holes or damaging the flat)

>>105654463
>>105654475
>going about my business
>xubuntu server says it needs a restart
>ah shit this is gonna be another fight, better wait till the weekend
>a day goes past
>starts pouring rain out of nowhere
>complex gets hit with lighting, brownout takes everything offline
>FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK.deb
>before I have time to run across the room, server posts, runs beep codes and begins to reboot
>fans just...come on and stay on
>nowholdonjustagodda-
>BOOM another lightning bolt hits the building
>everything dies again
>ps4 starts shrieking, adjustable height desk starts rising and falling automatically
>up to my ankles in fear and spaghetti
>manage to get desk to go back to normal, ps4 doesn't appear to be dead after power cycling 10 times
>look over at server
>it just werks, fans started without a hitch (TM)
God, if you're reading this, please send a 3rd lightning bolt right through the window and into the back of my head, please.

>>105655311
Additionally - if Giga computing happens to be reading this, please send a priest.

>>105649456
so apparently mindfactory is currently going insolvent and people have been complaining about service being dogshit for the past months. don't get your shit from there anymore /g/ermanons. the pillar has fallen.
cancelled my server parts and reordered for like 4% more somewhere else.

>>105655411
The insolvency has already been dealt with, site went offline months ago, they're done rebuilding but their product range has declined a lot since then.
It is safe to buy from them again.

>>105655210
I've only ever had 10G myself but I'm pretty sure the same fiber cables can do 100G (over shorter distances). Fiber cables are definitely the smallest and thinnest by far but also the most fragile. I have no idea how big the gaps in your doors are and can't really tell from a single picture, so what I suggest is that you simply buy some OM3 fiber cable (they're cheap) and try to run it, see if your door presses down on it in practice or not.

>>105655469
>It is safe to buy from them again.
i ordered stuff monday and the order is still being processed.
haven't gotten an answer from customer support either. so apparently not.

I've decided it's time to move nearly 2.6TB of data from the old array to the new one. Fingers crossed it goes smoothly, though there's no real reason why it shouldn't.

>>105654220
i mean... my only question would be why? that's like turning on your oven to heat up your house. i guess it works.

>>105654483
so replace the door when you move out. what's the problem?

>>105655470
>I have no idea how big the gaps in your doors are and can't really tell from a single picture
Pic rel, I think the radii are going to be too tight.
>so what I suggest is that you simply buy some OM3 fiber cable (they're cheap) and try to run it
How do I detect damage to the cable with a lose strand?
>see if your door presses down on it in practice or not.
The door is not really touching the frame, it's being held in position by the lock inside the frame so there's a considerable air gap.
>>105655655
The house is from the 1960s and the door format is not readily available (read: for cheap) anymore. Modern doors are wider, MUCH thicker than this and have sub-millimeter tolerances, I can't even find fitting rubber buffers that are usually screwed right into the frame to keep the door from hitting the frame.
I could have new doors custom made by a carpenter, but some of the doors also have a glass window which would come out to at least 1500€ just in new doors when moving out.

>>105655210
i got you bro

>>105654441
Just don't close the door.

>>105655760
>That'll be 1700€ for a WiFi-AP please
Thanks but I really don't want to rely on WiFi for this.
Also,
>Running iSCSI / NVMe-OF over WiFi
Idk man.
>>105655769
Unfortunately not an option.

>>105655739
Yeah that looks like it might be too tight for fiber. I don't know about 100G but for 10G I guess you still have an option of using flat Ethernet cable. There are RJ45 copper SFP+ transceivers available (IIRC they're more expensive than fiber transceivers though).

My idea with the fiber cable was just so you can see how easily it fits in practice and whether the door presses on it or not. They're not quite as fragile as you might imagine so if it fits without the door mangling it, it may very well survive. Obviously if you want to test if afterwards you're going to need some transceivers and SFP hardware for it.

In the picture here >>105654441 I think only the left-most hard 90deg bend would be questionable, the rest doesn't look too bad as long as it doesn't get mangled when the door is closed. But it's hard to say whether it will or won't, which is why I suggested to grab a cheap cable and test fit it for real.

>>105655926
>I think only the left-most hard 90deg bend would be questionable
This one (1)? It doesn't have to bend like that at all, I just did that so it look neat. In fact, the double sided tape sometimes falls off and then it looks like this (2) until I can be bothered to fix it.

>>105655926
>>105656038
>Forgot Arrow in (1)
>But it's hard to say whether it will or won't, which is why I suggested to grab a cheap cable and test fit it for real.
Yeah I will do that, I just need a way to know if the fiber cable works afterwards or not, as I don't really know how to tell.

>>105656038
I mean pic related looks the worst for fiber. The other bends are probably easier to survive than this one, again as long as it doesn't get mangled every time you close the door.

anyone uses sunshine/moonlight?
Is there a way to lock the sunshine server session, in case someone connect a monitor to it?

>>105654047 (OP)
Do you use hdparm to spin down you HDDs when it's not being accessed or this would negatively affect the lifespan of the hard drives?

>>105654047 (OP)
>thinkcenter
BASED

>>105656115
Yeah I think I'll just get some fiber cable and borrow some SFP thingies to test.
>>105656137
I keep mine spinning all the time, having to spool the drive up and down wears out the motor faster and uses more electricity if you keep doing so x times an hour.
Spin-up power usage > Spin-maintenance power usage
With all things in life: Depends on your use-case.
>>105656116
Would

>>105645157
im doing it, thinking a cooler and two beefy harddrives
what are the current go to drives in the above 4tb range? i dont see myself needing above 12tb per drive

>>105656116
that's a man

>>105654483
Is that a metal lip? Looks like a job for a high-gauge steel sheet nibbler and a bastard file. You might be able to swing it with just the file.

>>105656649
>Is that a metal lip?
Yes.
>Looks like a job for a high-gauge steel sheet nibbler and a bastard file. You might be able to swing it with just the file.
No, the door has an overhang like in >>105655739 that goes around the entire perimeter of the door.
The steel lip is there to protect against gas leaks as the gas line terminates in the corridor.

>>105656767
>The steel lip is there to protect against gas leaks as the gas line terminates in the corridor.
Yeah, okay that's reasonable.

>>105656649
that bar is there for a reason. unless he wants that concrete to start wearing away or cracking off he best leave it alone.
>nibbler
lmao

Opinions on SFF-size prebuilts as server?
This HP holds 2 3.5" drives and 2 2.5" drives.
Kinda pricey though for its ancient specs.

>>105656927
cheap and good. avoid dell. hp good.
>Kinda pricey
with i5-7500 they're like £40, wat

this is all i have bros...is it over? does anyone have use case for a NUC and Pi in a single setup? seems redundant no?

>>105656927
https://www.ebay.com/itm/187222399169

>>105656952
I want the G4 so I can run 8th gen chips, more upgrade headroom in case I ever need it.
Also the grifters where I live charge more for ewaste.

I've been researching the past few days, literally only HP and Fujitsu SFFs can hold more than a single 3.5" drive without significant modding.

Anybody download manga from Nyaa or aggregator/scanlation sites? Looking for a way to set up monitoring and auto downloading for some raws.
>>105656973
I use one of these for my vidya servers, lovely little machine.

>>105656973
Need it to fit 3.5" drives

I haven't been to /g since the AI revolution began, but in the last couple of months I created a startup and I'm finally making bank. I made over $10k this month and I wanted to check in to see how everyone else is doing. It feels like we're at the beginning of something beautiful. No longer do you need to work for someone else. If you have a good idea and can market it, the AI agents (plural) literally solve everything for you. Claude costs me $100 a month but has made me thousands in return.

Just looking at OP's picture it's evident that this field is deprecated. Imagine going to college for 4 years to learn how to cooode. Lmao.. we're at the beginning of the AI revolution and it feels good bros. How has AI changed your wagie life?

>>105657082
Get a drive dock Jesus fuck
>Waaa I want a SFF that can fit in a shoebox and hold a billion 3.5 inch drives why won't anyone cater to my retard needs??????????????????????? Israel has a right to defend itself!!!!!!!!

>>105657344
>>105656927 does you fucking retard
>unironically running your drives over chinkshit usb controllers
Are you >>105657114 by any chance?

>>105656974
>upgrade headroom
literally just buy another office ewaste pc when the time comes. upgrading these shitboxes is never going to be worth it.
>3.5" drives
2 of them, you might as well not bother

>>105657353
i have assessed the situation and decided that you are a huge mong

>copy folder from one place to another on server
>finishes successfully
>have a look at original and copied folder properties over Samba
>copy apparently has 5 fewer files than original
>there are ~44k files total, not easy to manually figure out what's missing
>run a rsync --dry-run on them to see, comes out as identical
>just list all files in both folders with find, file list also comes out as identical
>copy folder appears 1.7kB larger than source
>but looking at properties over Samba, the original appears ~14kB larger instead
What the hell is going on? I guess for some reason, Samba is not picking up 5 files despite them being there as rsync finds the folders to be identical?

How insecure is having a drive attached to a router with ap, compared to hosting the same protocol on sbc?
Assuming the router is a client in the network.

>>105657824
File perms?

Since my btrfs is fucking dead and I will most likely have to reformat, opinions on using lvm for caching?

>>105657921
Should be identical in the original and the copy and they are as far as I can tell (looking at a few things randomly, not like I compared all 44k files).

Eh, I trust rsync more than whatever weird shit is going on over Samba. I think I'll just delete the original and be done with it. I also have a backup in case something actually did go wrong.

anyone know any good self-hosted booru software that i can just throw into my docker compose stack?

Should I just use Proxmox if I wanna run VMs?

>>105658292
yes, proxmox is great.

>>105658378
Is it great at anything else as well? I also want a NAS. Maybe I'll just have to have two different server partitions.

>>105658433
it has met all of my needs, which pretty much just consists of running my VMs and lxc containers, and backing them up. whatever services you want to run on your network, you can run under proxmox.
i would not recommend partitioning your host, just let the proxmox installer do what it wants.

>>105658528
Guess I can give it a try at least.
I have a W10 IoT parition on there but I might just erase it since it's empty anyway.

>>105654047 (OP)
Anyone know what the fuck happened to all these? there are truck loads of p40s and p4s still available but these guys seem to be utter vaporware and almost like a mindala effect gpu that never actually existed despite everyone saying it did.

Did they rebrand these all as a different card? getting basically a pascal full height single slot version of what is the modern a4000 is highly desirable to me especially since no one wants to sell the p4 for less than 130 state side. I can just get the p4 anyway but I wanted to see if I could get a better single slot card for my money

>>105654483
if you dont need a door just replace with a noren

>>105654913
how much do you charge and whats your minimum?

>>105654483
simply remove the door from its hinges.
reinstall the door before you leave.

>>105654913
you should leave your apartment and touch grass

>>105658584
>>105658609
I cannot just simply remove all but two doors in my flat.
>>105658593
Uhh, why?

>>105659729
>uhh why
because I'm a brainlet that needs help accomplishing my goals.

>>105656963
I don't but I still have orange pi running, it draws 1w and is so small it just dangles from switch port so why not.

>>105659744
Oh alright then. I was afraid you were gonna ask for a project (am neck deep into customer projects right now and cannot take any right now).
But here's my modus operandi:
I charge per contract, minimum 5k€ for small business and minimum 15k for medium-small business (both net, you never ever talk gross in B2B in Germany).
1/5 upfront, rest on delivery. But I don't charge for advisory or scoping, that's totally free.
1. Assess their use case and take a look at how they're doing things.
2. Plan everything, what they need and nice to have options
3. Go through the plan with them, give them 2 free revisions, any over that is 50€ each for small business, and 500€ each for medium-small business
4. If they like the plan, I give them a quote / offer
5. If they sign, we get going, I get paid 1/5
6. Build the product (Classic Software Engineering), give them 3 free revisions, any additional revision is 500€ for small business, 1500€ for medium-small business
7. Deliver, get paid the 4/5 rest
8. Give free support for a year, then take money for support.
Point No. 8 might sound scummy, but at that point I have trained their IT guy on how to work the software. They also receive the source code for free because I'm a sucker for Open Source.
Other quick advice:
>Always be HONEST
Being a liar or shady person will come back to bite you in the ass faster than you can turn around to see the dawg that has the jaw.
>Always talk them through your modus operandi
Leave no space for ambiguity and make sure your customer always understands what is happening and will happen when they do certain things.
>Always have everything in writing
Don't start any work without a signature, even the planning portion that you might do for free
>Never sign anything of the other party without having your lawyer look over it
You might never know what's inside an NDA or something else that might fuck you over royally.

>>105659831
>Have a GOOD lawyer
The type that knows the judges kek
>Documentation is part of software
Not just code-documentation, but things like user-manuals as well.

>>105659831
I was. but if you are busy i guess its not a big deal for you to say no. everyone in this shithole complains they dont ahve a job but when i ask them if they will work for me they tell me to fuck off if I cant pay them a six figure wage instead of piecemeal

My smartctl tests keep failing with
`Self-test execution status: ( 41) The self-test routine was interrupted by the host with a hard or soft reset.`
and a remaining 90% on the test.
I'm running
`smartctl -t long -C /dev/sda`
the OS is running off a USB stick, if that matters.

>>105655311
This was written and posted by AI
>>105654475
Blue

>>105656927
Get one before RLA start hiking the prices up.

My home stack. Running Alpine Linux and docker containers on the HP.

I'm looking for a selfhostable solution to proxy webradio streams, anyone that can recommend a solution?

Rusty supershitbox e-waste special. Case was sitting in flooded basement for years.
Proxmox+xpenology, drives directly passed to xpenology vm.
Synology is just backup target, need to move it out of the house.
Also need to replace that p4 era psu with picopsu. Draws 20w with 10w being parasitic draw from ancient psu.

>>105660010
I'll give you a lead: Put up signs at the blackboards of Fachhochschulen.
You'll get a lot of foreigners, but at least they're willing to work (any work is better for them than no work). They might need training and guidance, but don't underestimate them.
Also don't bother with paper strips and shit, just a simple streamlined QR code that sends them to a page where they can send you their CV without having to jump through 20 hoops.

>>105660281
>Synology
How're the branded disks doin?
8/10 setup.
>>105660540
10/10 shitbox

why not this for home server case

>>105661050
why not gargle my balls?

>>105661050
If you have the space?
>>105661057
General threads are friendly.

>>105660973
>Fachhochschulen
im not german so I dont know how I would go about doing that

>>105661050
I dont want my server to be black

>>105661095
Are you even in Germany?

>>105661111
no. why would you automatically assume I'm german on a burger website?

>>105661136
Cause you asked me if I was interested in a Job by answering to a reply in which I was explaining in what a shithole city in Germany I'm living.
How would that even work with the job?

>>105661050
any non-rack-equipment drive bays are extremely shit

>>105661171
why would it matter where you live?
do you demand office space as part of payment?

>>105661050
pretty cool compared to the other shit they are selling to consumers

>man I should really switch from an unofficial qbittorent docker image to an official one
>can't find hits for the image I'm using anywhere
>concerned its dodgy
>hmmm this linux server io one seems not too bad
>oh wait the link below is the image I'm using qbittorrent-nox
>notice "officialqbitorrent"
>wut, why are they using that name for it, this obviously isn't official
>check qbittorent website
>docker section links to the image I'm using
Nice well at least now I'm happy again, can't believe the unofficial image has more users though.

>>105661213
>why would it matter where you live?
Honestly, you're right, I prefer do work-from-home / home-office (which is why I'm even upgrading my shit right now), but if I have to be on-prem at least once a month I don't want to commute more than an hour.
And I think the students who I'd refer you to are also more likely to enjoy home-office.
Excuse my autism then please.
>do you demand office space as part of payment?
No, not really? How would that even work as payment?
I only ask for a small space to work when I'm doing client work to Assess their needs and then install everything. I enjoy my home office way more (autism).
>>105661361
>can't believe the unofficial image has more users though.
Many such cases.
>>105661205
>any non-rack-equipment drive bays are extremely shit
Yes, but not everyone can afford a rack or has space for a rack.

>>105661361
>>concerned its dodgy
why dont you just inspect it to find out

>>105661418
He probably doesn't know how

>>105661418
>>105661446
I just checked the dockerfile now and it doesn't have anything aside from checking out the source code building it and creating a user should have just done this first I guess.

>>105661446
that is the implication, yes

>>105660973
No branded disks for me. Got four of these bad boys in there.

>>105655470
>multimode cables
stupid stupid stupid STUPID

>>105654441
>>105654483
Just buy the Huawei FTTR kit
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Fiber-to-the-room-fibre-optics-to-every-single-room-10440266.html

am i gonna get fucked by electricity bills

>>105662134
You're gonna get fucked by Jamal and Tyrone, but that's unrelated

>>105660066
>posts for weeks about weird mc13-le3 mobo issues
>posts in a lame greentext format
>hurr your a bot XD
Try again lil zoom zoom, or better yet just leave - go back to r*ddit or wherever it is you hail from..

how many fucking germans are in this thread

>>105662134
how should anyone know when electricity prices can vary so wildly

>>105661050
Usecase for drivesleds?

>>105662677
hotswap broken hdd?

What exactly is eveng?
Like proxmox but you spin up router vm's?

>>105662751
>EVE-NG (Emulated Virtual Environment - Next Generation) is a browser-based network emulator used to build and test complex network topologies with virtual routers, switches, firewalls, and servers.

>Unlike Proxmox, which is a general-purpose hypervisor, EVE-NG is purpose-built for network labs and certification training (e.g., CCNA/CCNP/CCIE).

>It supports multi-vendor images (Cisco, Juniper, Palo Alto, etc.) and runs as a VM on platforms like ESXi, Proxmox, or VMware Workstation.

>Users can interact with devices via a web interface, making it ideal for learning, testing, and simulation of real-world network environments.

>>105659729
>I cannot just simply remove all but two doors in my flat.
You can, you just won't because you prefer to have problems.

i had a question for you guys but i forgot, help me remember what i was gonna ask

>>105662912
so you came to 4chinz

and then you came to this thread home server general

and you were going to ask this particular thing that is happening in your life related to servers

>>105662699
I get it for large deployments where you expect to swap drives semi frequently, but in a home server environment, I don't think the premium is close to worth it.

>>105662951
nothing is worth it to somebody else
this is a worthless hobby to somebody else

I've been seeing a lot of (finally) cheap 2.5GbE switches that have like 9x 2.5GbE and 1x 10GbE ports on them.

Question, would it be possible to feed a bridged 4x 2.5GbE into such a card, and then get 10GbE output?
For ex. odroid H4+ with 4x2.5GbE ports on one end, the unmanaged switch in the middle, and my PC with an AQC113 10GbE card on the other end.

or do you need 4x2.5GbE on all ends for this to work?

>>105663041
I would definetely like to have drive sleds, but a case with them is 3-4 times the price of a similar capacity case without them. A rackmount case with more than 4 or 5 drive sleds I only see form $700 - $1000+. There's other things, like L2 arc, ram upgrade to 512GB, a 3090 for ai, etc, that I would get more enjoyment out of from the hobbiest perspective. I get that someone else may gat a kick out of their server looking like an actual server though. I myself intend to move to rack systems soon tm.

What's good bitrate for streaming games with sunshine on gigabit connection?

>>105655739
run the fiber vertically through the gap so it has more length to bend

>>105662933
k, after a lot of reflection I just remembered the question
what is preferable for me to run to stop glowniggers from seeing what I'm doing on my server - dnscrypt or stubby? currently using stubby

got a server in the office with ubuntu installed, which i cannot recreate (since it has a custom kernel and modules).This is instaled in old school raid cards, i wish to move this onto proxmox so it can play well with everything else and we are not in the risk of the raid card/server dying.

My plan is to go to clonezilla, clone the partition to an image and then put it in proxmox. i wish to clone only the main booteable partition, i dont care about other partitions with software as we already moved them onto docker containers. i would just clone the entire raid but it's like 20tb and i only care about the 100gb partition with the booteable partition.
Should this work out?

>>105663613
yeah
you could just use the same kernel on a fresh install though

>>105663100
look harder retard theres tons of them under $300

>>105654047 (OP)
Does anyone have security camera recommendations? I am currently using a usb webcam with the motion project, but the field of view is not high enough.

>>105664257
Proof?

>>105664302
I'd probably get an Ubiquiti if I was gonna get something.

I'm trying to set up a router/server, and I was thinking of getting a Lenovo Tiny, but I wonder if there is a cheaper option that doesn't focus so much of being small? As in, of the three traits of size, price, and power efficiency, I would choose to optimise for price and power efficiency.
Anyone have any recommendations on a larger, but still power efficient device?

>>105661613
Ok this look sick. Thanks!
>>105661529
Nice.

For mass backing up 20TB of files and folders (1-2 million files) what is the best solution/software to do this with?

Robocopy/rsync and the like I looked at aren't really backup softwares. I want file versioning, incremental backups, compression, deduplication, easy restores from a backup point, notifications something robust and fast

so it turns out these guys are faggots
fork when

>>105664708
rclone

why are tards here obsessed with thinking about servers in boomer terms e.g. HDDS are necessary, RAID is necessary
nigger, you're not that important and neither is what you're going to do with it

>>105664805
Jerking off is the most improtant thing the human race does.

>>105664819
Amen

>>105664312
i hope they're paying you, all the shilling you do.

>>105664740
>no gui
no thanks....

>>105664376
>a larger, but still power efficient device
yea an i3 with a itx motherboard in a ATX case

looking to make a mixed x64/arm kubernetes cluster from spare compute i have in different locations (home, office, parents house, vacation house, etc)
2 questions:
the master kubernetes node, should it be in a vps i can make sure will never go down? Or should i make a HA master and let the individual machines figure it out (have 3 servers, 2 gaming pcs, 8 raspberry pis)

Not all of these machines have public ips, the idea is to just relocate them worst case scenario, should i run them over openvpn/wireshark/tailscale?

>>105665467
an itx motherboard wont save you much if any power over atx. you're paying more for no reason.
chipset eats most of the power.

>>105658433
>I also want a NAS.
I run TrueNAS in a VM with a HBA passed through. It works perfectly.
Some people run SMB directly on the host but that seems silly to me.

1/2

Is it ok to have an old laptop and its fan running 24/7?
>have an old Sandy Bridge era ThinkPad
>it gave me many years of service, despite going through the wars with a couple of accidents
>for years planned to transition it to be my dedicated NAS when I finally got a new laptop
>I have, it's working well
>system running off mSATA, 2 SATA disks in the 2 internal bays
>4 USB ports (2.0), good enough. So already 6 disks possible for an array.
>also got an ExpressCard adapter thing which gives it 2 more USB ports (3.0) this time. So now 8 disks.
>potentially even more if I split them or even the other older ports - in a complex array no one individual disk needs to have blayzan fast speeds right, it kinda compounds?
>battery of course easily removed
>gigabit ethernet, good enough
>since I have another computer for other server stuff and this is a pure dedicated NAS, it's disconnected from the internet at the router level, intranet/innernet only

2/2

So far so good - but now I'm worried about the fan running long term.
Firstly it's louder than I thought it would be. I guess when it's the main computer you're working with you psychologically accept and drown out the fan noise. But now that it's in another room, idle almost all the time, the constant fan noise is very jarring in that otherwise silent environment.
And I read that laptop fans aren't built to run 24/7.
I replaced the fan/heatsink piece a few years ago so it's quite new. And I re-did the thermal paste again right before I turned it into the NAS. So it's just inherent to the CPU/laptop I guess. A lot of fancy efficiency features weren't there for the Sandy Bridge era. Even running in 'eco mode' at idle and with the screen off of course, the whole laptop is drawing total 8 watts, and the CPU, with the fan running as it is, is at about 42 degrees C. And the fan at this baseline level of idleness and CPU temp is running at definitely a noticeable level, 24/7, it doesn't seem like it can be tuned down. Older CPU, doesn't have modern power saving features I guess.

I mean, if it just dies one day that's not really an issue, at least it kicks the can down the road of having to buy new hardware. But what I'm really worried about is FIRE RISK because the fan is a moving part (and an unofficial replacement).

Am I just being paranoid or is there a plausible enough justification for ditching it and replacing it with something fanless instead, and just using fanless stuff in general, no moving parts, for 24/7 on stuff if it's idle most of the time? In terms of safety.

>>105662245
ok
>>105662677
I think it's neat to slide them in and out
>>105664719
did the software become worse or did you suddenly decide they were woke because they didn't let you call people trannies on the forum?

>>105665717
It’s fine. If the fan dies the CPU will throttle to avoid cooking itself and starting fire. I’d be more concerned about the battery if installed.

>>105665717
you could prob just run it raw, it's not like a nas for home use is capped at 100% all day.
worst case scenario, get those cooling bases for laptops or a simple usb fan.

>>105665739
>>105665750
It was more a worry about the fan sparking a fire if it sudokus, rather than the CPU. I know the CPU getting too hot will make the laptop shut itself down (many years of trying to squeeze as much mileage out of it as possible taught me that), so I'm confident in that particular safety net. But the fan itself worries me. It was an unofficial chinkshit replacement from AliExpress. I mean so far so good, but still, I wonder...
...Then again any fanless PC will also be chinkshit form AliExpress. Hmmmm.

Yeah maybe I'll try disabling the fan from BIOS if possible, or disconnecting the cable inside? Then check how high the CPU gets on idle, and when serving something or when I'm backing stuff up to it. If it's not sky-high, then I could use it without the fan? It's not like the air the fan is blowing out atm on idle is particularly hot.

>years later
>ZFS L2ARC still has a bug that randomly evicts metadata cache despite being less than half full
what is the point of L2ARC if it culls itself all the time and i have to hit the HDDs anyway.
All i want is read-only metadata cache on optane, so stuff like ls, ncdu etc. are fast.
I don't want to set up and maintain a special vdev just for this...

>>105665712
>>105665717
its fine
i'd be more concerned about the battery exploding than the fan dying and causing a fire.

If Ubiquiti is a meme, what the fuck am I supposed to be using for networking that isn't equally a colossal meme.

>>105665830
as a side note, what about going hotrod with something like pic related
got one of these in an old laptop doing NVR at the office with one of these.

>>105665902
in my case, in the office, we used those enterprise routers that has only rs232 console access and it was a mistake, whatever we saved we gained in ubiquiti, we have like 100 devices in the office so it's not datacenter scale but one office has a UDM pro and another has a ucg ultra, both doing about 160tb a month in transfer 0 issue.
for homelab go for ucg or edgerouter x, more than enough

>>105665902
pretty much literally anything else
ubiquiti has been shit for years

>>105665712
I've been running a sandy bridge laptop for over a year until a couple days ago. It was a pain every time a had to deal with cables but it did work.

>>105656115
LC BTW (behind-the-wall) is 0.9mm, but bend radius and general durability (you don't want shattered fiber all over) may wary.

>>105656927
Thought about getting one as a cheap workstation but because >HP there might be some annoying CPU generation locks and loud fans that are impossible to keep quiet. If you are Europoor I'd get a Fujitsu TX1320 M3.

https://watchmysys.com/blog/2023/03/fujitsu-tx1320-m3/
(Not my blog and prices have gone up)

>>105665836
The devs stopped caring abot core functionality years ago and went full after features that nobody wanted (RAIDZ expansion). Some say Solaris is still the most stable ZFS platform.

>>105665508
wrong
also nobody asked you, chatgpt pajeet

>>105666111
you're the wrong one
>chatgpt pajeet
post hand and socket. ideally with one inserted in the other.

>>105666096
>LC BTW (behind-the-wall) is 0.9mm, but bend radius and general durability (you don't want shattered fiber all over) may wary.

Oh fuck, almost missed it: if the bend radius allows (test it), just put the 0.9mm fiber inside the old Ethernet cable jacket and use it as a cover. fs.com sells pre-terminated cables so no termination needed.

>>105666117
>saving watts doesnt matter because you pay $9 dollars more
that might be a fortune in New Delhi but irl price difference is negligible

>>105666096
>features that nobody wanted (RAIDZ expansion)
yeah, i don't get it, it's full of caveats too, i'd rather rebuild the whole pool from scratch.
>Some say Solaris is still the most stable ZFS platform.
I wonder how it is, never had any experience with Solaris systems.
Klara shills FreeBSD a lot on their site, yet TrueNAS seems to ditch FreeBSD in favor of Linux, I'm stuck with one such CORE system at my job that i'll have to finally migrate to SCALE.
Klara also shills for ARM, which is even more retarded, because ZFS doesn't even implement AES hardware extensions on ARM, while LUKS through openssl does...

>>105666180
where exactly do you think these supposed power savings come from, retard

>>105666180
>>105666215
actually i was wrong, all the itx boards im seeing have on board wifi
so you're actually worse off in terms of power usages going with those vs basic atx without

>>105666180
>>105666215 (You)
actually i was wrong, all the itx boards im seeing have on board wifi
so you'd actually be worse off in terms of power usage going with those vs basic atx without

>>105660540
I like the front switch panel

>>105666215
>>105666279
>switches from chatgpt to posting replies from reddit word for word
you're not fooling anyone Ranjeet Patel you sad spastic stop shitting up this thread.

>>105666380
take your fucking meds and accept you are wrong

>>105666096
Not yuro, the only fujitsus around here are esprimos and they're all configured with the 5.25" optical option, not the slim optical + 3.5" HDD option. Spare parts are hard to find too.

>>105666117
>>105666180
>>105666215
>>105666279
Your biggest draw on whatever shitbox you make is the sub 5% loading on whatever PSU you use.

You have to cobble together something with a 12V power supply and a picoPSU if you want actual low power draw.

>$0.085/kWh
What shithole do you retards live in where this matters?

>>105666096
>shattered fiber all over
The fiber in all cables I've seen and handled is inside a plastic sheath, much like any other cable. No idea how you'd end up with shattered fiber, even if you damage the cable. You'd have to rip the cable apart to worry about that.

>>105665902
depends what you want to do fucko

Finally going to build my home server using my old pc parts! Any advice for someone who never used raid or anything? Was thinking of getting 3 16tb HDDs and set them with raid 5, however I'm not sure if this is the best I can do. Would I be able to later on upgrade with more HDDs? Or use HDDs with different capacity?

>>105667123
This is what I'm looking at btw. I'm not entirely too sure with the PSU though, I'm planning to downvolt and downclock the CPU since I doubt I'll ever fully use it. Also the case, I wonder if I'm overshooting even if I plan to gradually add more storage as time goes

Hello I just bought a UGREEN DXP2800 2-Bay NAS, I'm now wondering if I messed up by going with a prebuilt NAS... Should I have built my own? I will be using it to store years of pictures, movies and shows, and I also want to abandon spotify and stream my music through this server instead. Just need some advice.

>>105667298
That's extremely overpriced. Get a dell optiplex or equivalent that you can fit two hdd's in. Put them in a mirror with mdadm and share with smb. I'm not familiar with the music streaming services, but I know jellyfin can do it.

>>105667320
Hmmm is the performance of that NAS compared to an average optiplex shit? Just comparing the specs, you're right lol. I guess I could use amazons generous return policy... Thank you for the advice!

>>105666916
Europe has 5 times as high prices and a tiered system where people above a certain kWh limit will have to pay 5x more on top of that, so you have to minmax your shit to stay below the caps.

>>105667386
Your smartfridge has all of the performance you need for what you layed out.

>>105666856
>Your biggest draw on whatever shitbox you make is the sub 5% loading on whatever PSU you use.
iirc the best PSU in that is the Corsair SF450 Platinum, sadly it's no longer made, but you can still grab one used. They are S+ tier PSUs so being used does not really matter.

>You have to cobble together something with a 12V power supply and a picoPSU if you want actual low power draw.
Odroid H4 Plus has 3W idle power (6W if you disable ASPM) and 12W TDP (can be set to 25W max in BIOS, but you'll need a fan). picrel is the H4 non-plus that has no SATA ports and only single network port.

unfortunately it only has 4 SATA ports built in by default, so you'll need to enable PCIE bifurcation with a custom BIOS and split the single m2 port to 2x2 or 4x1 even if you want more.

mental retard here, are terabyte SSD USB sticks good enough for backups? I cant into transferring files over networks.

I transferred my files, terabyte at a time, to my new computer and in the middle of each transfer it came up with some error. Turned out I had to pull out the USB and put it back in and click retry, that seemed to pick up where the transfer left off and I think all my files are intact. Maybe next time I should use TeraCopy to verify the files are the same...?

also I was looking at one of the latest Toshiba 22 TB drives, could I just get one of those and back up all my files from my computer drives on there? is it better to make a complete image of your computer or back things up more manually? sorry for being a literal tard on this matter

>>105667407
Even for streaming 4K content to my TV? Sorry for being retarded.

>>105667430
>iirc the best PSU in that is the Corsair SF450 Platinum
It's a good one by virtue of being an efficient low wattage PSU but now that 750-850W+ is kind of the baseline for what's sold and available new (at retail from reliable manufacturers) you have to look more at how they perform at very low load instead of just low load (eg. 10% vs. 20%)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TnPx1h-nUKgq3MFzwl-OOIsuX_JSIurIq3JkFZVMUas/htmlview

>>105665574
>HBA
Don't have one of those and I'm new to all this and not trying to get too crazy right now.
I was thinking Ubuntu Server could do VMs but all the guides about it were outdated. Maybe I'll have to give it another try and just read documentation on kvm and VB.
Though captcha seems to be interested in Promox.
>you go, mox

>>105667435
Flash storage isn't ideal for back ups in general because they theoretically need power every so often to keep all the data intact. Now I say theoretically intact because while I've heard about this flaw for flash storage I've pulled out flash drives I've forgotten about years ago and they still seemed to be fine with all the files I put on them, but I didn't actually check every little file. Though I've heard that flash drives are a little more robust in being left alone.
Maybe if you plan to plug the device in every so often. Otherwise HDDs you can leave alone for decades and they'll suppose to be fine.
It's also because flash storage has definite writes which could be eaten up pretty fast. Assuming you're also going to have a drive on almost 24/7 for backups. While modern flash storage have more writes than the ones that were first being released back in the day, but you'll still run out of writes pretty soon.

I usually make full images of my PC every now and then, but have things I consider more important backed up more constantly.

>>105668198
I've researched how long SSDs will hold data and it looks like the bigger your SSD, the shorter time it will contain the data as the walls holding the data are thinner (because thinner walls = more storage crammed in) and thus more prone to leakage, I think that's the retard version of it anyway. Those old flash drives you had probably were smaller capacity compared to modern multi-terabyte options.

Does a full image of your PC include all hard drives? I have multiple drives for storing different things. Say I got one of those 22 TB Toshibas I mentioned and I wanted to back up every 6 months, I'd probably delete the old image and keep the new, but in theory I could keep both- would that entail all drives that made up the computer are in that image?

Desu I should just ask an AI chatbot for this and stop wasting anon time lel

>>105667398
>tiered system where people above a certain kWh limit will have to pay 5x more on top of that
Pretty sure we don't have this. Only thing we have is a surcharge for peak usage, so if you are in the habit of charging a car, running washing machines and ovens at the same time, you might pay more.

>>105668198
>Otherwise HDDs you can leave alone for decades and they'll suppose to be fine.
I've just had a drive die on me (mechanically) after leaving it in a drawer for a few months. It was working fine before.

I want to repurpose a normal ATX case into a server I can tuck away, I want to know if these things exist for sale:
>Power button mounted on a PCI bracket. Bonus if it has status LEDs too.
>generic floppy drive cover that fits any case
>same as above but for 5.25" slots
>or a 12cm fan mount that fits in 3x 5.25" slots
I want to put the rear of the case out front hence the pci power button.

Question. I have an ix2-dl connexted by gigabit ethernet that only gets uploaded to at 8MB/s. It seems to be rated for gigabit and i tried looking for enabling smb2 but couldn’t find anything. Any help?

>>105666949
Yeah usually no worries but I'd play it safe with 0.9mm fiber (pic related) and "visible" installation; armored patch-cables can handle almost anything.

A bunch of resources for our German, I'd try to cram a 0.9mm fiber (G.657.A2) into that old Ethernet cable jacket (watch your fingers when cutting it open) and if the bend is too much then I'd go for armored G.657.B2 though it's much thicker and it might not fit inside the Ethernet cable jacket. Not that it matters (armored cables can take a lot of abuse) but with thin 0.9 fiber you could cram as many as you need into that old cable jacket.

https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2020-08-09-fiber-link-home-network/
https://blog.daknob.net/fiber-in-the-home/
https://blog.majid.info/fiber-network/

>>105668930
>visible
To clarify, an installation where the cable gets regularly banged by a door. If the cable and the door won't touch each other then no worries.

>>105665712
>>105665717
I had HP elitebook 2750p, after finishing college I set up a share folder to keep access the data on it, but eventually it become my NAS for +3 years.
Same as you, OS on msata, two internal drive one being in the optic drive with hdd caddy.
It was connected all the time with the battery connected, and nothing happened.
BTW, it had Manjaro KDE installed on it, so their battery optimization must have been doing something.
I used it as NAS/utilitybox/transcoding during that time.
I got mini pc recently to replace it, mainly for the better CPU/GPU so I can make webm faster and play some games.
BTW sandy bridge are very powerful CPUs that can still perform well, but it can't run modern indie games or older games on 1080.

Do you need anti-static bag to store HDD?

does it matter what kind of RAID I use (was thinking raid 0) for my backup server where I dump 50TB of small files and folders?

Even if a drive dries I just rebuilt it with the original data

>>105668421
all those things exist. i've seen them. but they're next to impossible to find thanks to every site (namely aliexpress) completely fucking up their search system to show you irrelevant shit to the point its quicker to diy.

>>105669334
>was thinking raid 0

>>105669516
There's a userscript that fixes that behaviour. Not on my main PC at the moment, but I think it's this one:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/27093-aliexpress-ultra-efficient

Anyone else using Kopia for their files/folder backups?

Currently in development by a person in google, feels fast so far no issues.

>>105669334
also I am looking to use TrueNAS ZFS, what storage configuration should I use with the below disks?
28tb x 3
20tb x 4
18tb x 6
14tb x 2
4tb x 1

>>105669334
i use at least RAIDZ1 (RAID5 equivalent) on both main and backup for convenience.
With RAID0, every time a drive fails you have to start over and recreate the entire pool from scratch, with RAIDZ1 you can just replace the faulty drive and wait for resilver to finish.
I also tend to expand my pools by recreating them (for example, i went from 2x 20TB mirror to 4x 20TB RAIDZ1), using the backup pool to move the data, it gives me a piece of mind that i have drive redundancy during such expansion or backup restore, both which could take multiple days.

Anyone using these business mini PC in their homelab?
Mainly the Optiplex 7040.
How much of a difference does the i5 compare to the i7 in the same 6th generation CPU?
And will it worth paying more for the 7th generation CPU?

>>105669334
Most backups use something like RAID 5 or RAID 6 as performance is not a priority but storage volume is. Raid 0 should only be used for things you don't care about losing.

>>105669686
What do you need? what level of redundancy? what level of performance and how much storage do you need?

>>105669988
i have 4 hp prodesks.
2 are a proxmxo cluster and 2 are in a kubernetes cluster.
theryre great for what they are and cheap if you get em used from ebay.
also yes you should go for better cpus.
the architectural improvements alone are worth it.
for exampel going from an i5 7500 to an i5 8500 is alreadya huge improvement despite them having the same core count.

that being said i would recommend going with the thinkcetnre lenovos that have a full size pci-e slot in them cause that enables you things like putting in a sff graphcis card or something like dual 10g nics.

because the thing that i typically miss on these mini pcs is faster than gigabit networking.

>>105666096
>LC BTW (behind-the-wall) is 0.9mm, but bend radius and general durability (you don't want shattered fiber all over) may wary.
>>105668930
>A bunch of resources for our German
Thanks I'll look right into them when I got the time (working on some nasty problem for a customer rn).
>armored G.657.B2
That looks exactly like what I need.
I love you guys (#nohomo).

>>105669686
Last time I bought HDDs, the toshiba MG 20tb ones had the best price/gb so I went for 4x 20tb. They are noisy, power guzzling bastards, but they are also pretty fast (the array can saturate my 10gbe link).

>>105654047 (OP)
i have a i5-8400 with 2 ssd's and 2 hdd's under a lvm. my board supports 8th and 9th gen. is there any sane good upgrade for my server? (cpu related that is, i know my disk situation is shit)

PCIe card that takes ddr3 rdimms for ultra low cost low latency scratch disk when?

>>105670134
7500 and 8500 do NOT have the same core count lmao
7500 and 8100 do however.

>>105670385
Top end CFL-R is about as far as you can go.
You can also go for a chinkshit i9 10980HK chip modded to LGA1150, despite being branded 10th gen it's actually coffee lake.

>>105670482
That sounds interesting. I could try that. What are some good docker containers that you use daily? I am looking to get some extra functionality.

I currently use it as a Jellyfin/arr*suite machine.

>>105670134
>>105670450
Thanks man.
Sadly the listing is either i5+16GB ram or i7+8GB ram.
I was hopping to find i7-7700T online at least for the better iGPU, but it seems to be expensive.
I did some research around, and while those have LGA1151 socket, the thermal solution and power delivery will always be limited to 35W TDP.
And yes, I'm looking for a thinkcenter but even those can come without PCI-E slot.
So would it be better to go for bigger ram instead of faster CPU?
>2.5 GbpE
And to my knowledge, there's an adapter for those thinkcenters as well, albeit somewhat expensive.
>proxmox clusters
What are you running on it?

>>105670444
Intel Optane already exists anon

>>105670570
>What are you running on it?

>audiobookshelf
>jellyfin with hardware transcoding
>calibre web automated
>calibre web automated ebook downloader
>*arr suite tunneled through i2pd
>my start page
>checkmk
>immich
>ansible-semaphore
>rconfig for backing up configurations of switches and routers
>technitium , dhcp, dns and adblocking
>docker test server with portainer before it goes into prod cubernetes
>quacamele as jumphoast so i can remotely admin my home network

thats it so far everything runs in lxc containers.

>>105670558
I don't use docker, in fact my entire setup is fucked right now, I'm getting a new computer and gonna change the whole software setup as well.

>>105670570
Don't bother with kaby lake, either go coffee lake or just skylake for cheap.
Hell they're all skylake really but intel aped amd's tiering since 8th gen, you get 4-6-8 cores instead 2-4-4 with 4 fake cores like 7th gen and below.

Unless you really need the space savings (for running a cluster maybe) or have no need for expansion there's kinda no reason to buy these tiny shits, they're more expensive too.

>>105670444
Ok that sounds like fun.
Say I built something like that, what would be a good price for such a thing?

>>105670647
One that makes sense I guess.
Can't be too high since it would be targeting cheap asses utilizing ewaste.
I guess that's why it doesn't already exist.

>>105670662
So it would have to be produced at scale to offset development costs.
Also there's a few other considerations I'm thinking about:
Speed is one thing, DDR3-1600 is 12.8GB/s and is usually connected over the lowest latency memory/storage interface off-cpu. PCIe 3.0 is ~1GB/s (double for each subsequent generation) with latencies at least an order of magnitude higher (~10ns vs ~100ns).
So what exactly are you trying to achieve? Scratch disk for what exactly? L2ARC?
>>105670574
But I thought we should completely ignore Optane?

>>105670740
>PCIe 3.0 is ~1GB/s
forgot to add: *per lane

>>105670643
Well, I of course want the best.
But those aren't listed at price that I'd like to pay for simple home lab.
>either go coffee lake or just skylake for cheap.
You're right the 7th gen didn't add much than slightly better iGPU, but I don't think the coffee lake versions are cheap now.
So would i7 be better than i5? (i5-6500T 4c/4t vs i7-6700T 4c/8t)
>you really need the space savings
Yeah, I want the 1L form factor because of my current setup (Mesa mounted and connected to my living room TV for retro games emulation, Don't judge me)
In the future I can upgrade to something more proper and closet friendly and donate this to my family as word process.
>tfw dad still use his packard bell laptop running Windows ME to run MS word.
>>105670627
Why the high availability?
>>105670558
cloudflare connector, Pi-hole
>arr*suite
Why everyone keep using usenet?
Never understood these suit to bother with them, desu

Does it make sense to have two m.2 in a raid 1 for my home server?

>>105670740
>But I thought we should completely ignore Optane?
The gaslightning has been immense after Intel killed Optane.

>>105654047 (OP)
do any of you guys have any experience hosting stuff for public access? i'd like to try and host a booru for a thread i frequent, but i'm struggling a bit to find documentation on how to set things up properly
i'm also wondering if it's a good idea to self-host the thing or try out a service like Hetzner, at least until i can figure out how everything works

>>105654047 (OP)
Mini hardware has gotten so good that I don't get the idea of kitting out a full rack unless you want enterprise level practice.

>>105670740
It only has to be lower latency than SSDs, doesn't even have to lower than dead end optane, we'll probably run out of those long before we run out of rdimms.

>>105670812
IPMI, ECC and other enterprise stuff are either hard to find or relatively expensive compared to SFF/1L stuff. Also curiously PLP is very rare in M.2 NVME format.

>inb4 ackscually you don't need those as a hobbyist
My hobby is whatever I want it to be.

>>105670837
>IPMI, ECC and other enterprise stuff are either hard to find or relatively expensive compared to SFF/1L stuff.

*What, if course I meant SFF/1L enterprise stuff is very rare/expensive compared to bigger form factors.

>>105667197
>that case price
do people really just not buy used cases? Its not like storage that gets worse with time but used ones cost so much less and that is money you could have spent on more drives or whatever.
When i got cases for my rigs i saved 50-70% on them just by buying used ones. And they are kind of special also because they are not made anymore.

>>105670756
I don't fuck with "usenet", I use qBittorrent.

>>105670756
>Why the high availability?
because i had nodes fail before for random reasons.
also this way i can do updates for my nodes without loosing services.

>>105670854
I honestly don't know what else to get, that one has tons of space for hdds, I can mount my disk drive and it doesn't have a side window. I did look if someone was selling it in UK, but on Facebook marketplace the closest one is at 5 hours by car, and ebay has none

>>105670895
>I did look if someone was selling it in UK, but on Facebook marketplace the closest one is at 5 hours by car, and ebay has none
If there is nothing you can do then there is no shame in buying new. You already tried doing the smart thing and saving money so.

Also if you are looking for HDD space don't just look at what the manufacturer claims it can hold. My server can officially only hold three drives but there enough empty space to throw one of these in there so this might be a something worth exploring for you.

>>105670837
>My hobby is whatever I want it to be.
PEAK CONSOOOOM teir redditor

>>105670982
ok memeshitter

>>105670803
>do any of you guys have any experience hosting stuff for public access?
yeah, many things, some of which you've probably used.
>i'm struggling a bit to find documentation on how to set things up properly
provide more details
>wondering if it's a good idea to self-host the thing
it depends.
Generally I would say its not a great idea.
I run some backend stuff at home that would be cost-prohibitive to have in the cloud - think complex math stuff or large media libraries. Everything else gets run on remote servers.
I don't want to piss off my ISP or get my home net DDoS'd by some skid/pwned by some chinaman that finds an exploit in whatever I'm hosting.

>>105670982
>buying decade old cheap stuff from eBay
>CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
If anything overpriced-for-what-they-are NUC/Thinkcentre clusters are pure consoom.

But thanks for caring about me and my spending habits, bro.

>>105666916
Imagine waking up with the cups' naked bodies pressed against you

How do I speedrun baby's first NAS?

>>105671215
>How do I speedrun baby's first NAS?
get pc
attach drives of many storage
install truenas

>>105671259
>>105667320

>>105671275
Meant to >>105671215

I'm new to docker.
How do I update the container / image to the latest version?

>>105671312
docker pull

>>105670837
>ipmi
ipkvm
>ecc
sff workstations exist and support ecc
>plp
i think those 22110 drives have it

>>105671391
ok, will this make the container update?
And I thought this thread was friendly.

>>105671259
Thanks, and if my computer is a laptop, what's a good way to have a bunch of drives connected to it?

>>105671312
>>105671463
You can't update the container - container is created from the instructions of the image, so if you created the container from an image that has older version, then it will always have the same instructions when you start and stop it

You can only update the image and then remove the old container and start a new container from the new image.

To do that you need to:

1. Pull the latest image: `docker pull image_name`
2. Stop the old container: `docker stop container_name`
3. Remove the old container: `docker rm container_name`
4. Create new container from updated image: `docker run [your original run options] image_name`

If you're using docker-compose just do `docker-compose pull && docker-compose up -d`

Your data won't be lost if you're using volumes properly. If you hardcoded paths or didn't use volumes, backup your shit first.

>>105671501
Thanks man.
I'm new to this and I thought you guys have better experience and explain thinks easily.
>volumes
No wonder my pi-hole installation got reset.

>>105669309
Anyone?

I don't know what case to buy. Everything I like costs too much, but everything cheap is ugly and doesn't have things I need
>1 5.25"
>multiple 3.5", at the very least 4
>atx mobo support
help

>>105669309
>>105671590
i store them as-is, never had a problem, but i do touch a grounded PSU every time i reach for them, just to be sure.

>>105671444
>ipkvm
Hack, I try to avoid hacks if possible.
>sff workstations exist and support ecc
They do, but price tag is out of my reach as new and good luck finding one used. (ITX server boards are a thing, though)
>i think those 22110 drives have it
Micron & Kingston got some but it's not a common feature.

But if those work for you, nice.

Do you guys recommend anything to play music from youtube other than
mpv -x
One of my servers (chink mini PC), have bluetooth and connected to my room's speaker and I though it would be a good way to play music for non existing sexy times.

>>105656116
>no tits
No wonder with those XY chromosome hands and shoulders

>>105671630
>fractal d7
...bro...

>>105671682
It costs too much

>>105671639
>no antistatic bags in an all foam plastic case
*ZAP* to the extreme when you least expect it

>>105671060
>provide more details
searching around on google gives me install and basic setup guides, which are nice, but i haven't found anything that goes into more detail about how certain solutions work
for instance, i started up a local instance of szurubooru to check it out. the install instructions were easy to follow, and what little issues i had afterwards were quickly solved by checking out the issues of the git project, but there's not much else to read about afterwards. for example. i may just be stupid, since the API doc looks like it has a lot of info
ultimately, i'm not familiar with working and interacting with such things yet, so i was hoping to find a decently written "introduction to basic booru concepts for idiots who want to host their own" document somewhere
>I don't want to piss off my ISP or get my home net DDoS'd
that's my main concern as well, which is why i'm considering buying a host for it

Does WD publish full datasheets or manuals for their drives?
There's this myth going around that WD Purple drives have a feature where they will immediately skip any weak sector instead of retrying like normal drives but I can't find much official info about it.

Is there any speed loss from connecting a disc drive with a sata -> usb adapter rather than directly via sata?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSFD6bfASfE

Bet you retarded faggots in here would love this vid. Amirite?

>>105671842
>Does WD publish full datasheets or manuals for their drives?
for the HGST ones yes, not sure for the consumer garbage. But skipping over bad sectors is kind of a required thing that a drive meant for continuous writes has to do to fucking function.

>>105671947
*masturbates* ummm... no?

>>105672142
:3

so I was reading about snapraid, is it correct that if you do a sync, then after change a bunch of stuff on disk1, then if disk2 fails you may not be able to recover some stuff on disk2 because you changed data on disk1?

>>105671842
for 'Surveillance' drives that's unironically a feature not a flaw

>>105670817
>It only has to be lower latency than SSDs
Alright. The content of the drive would be deleted when it powers, that's alright?

>>105670444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5X8MEZVqzM

>>105668421
Alright I tried looking, the latter 2 exists as 3D printable models that should work for most cases.
But literally the only thing I can find for the first is this.

Also goddammit 4chanx stop automatically retrying the captcha indefinitely, why is this even a thing

>>105672662
just no-op the line you fool
the SHIT is not updated in 7 months
or go to 4chan-xt hardfork
tell me if either worked for you

>>105672879
>4chan-xt
>This branch is 241 commits ahead of, 32 commits behind ccd0/4chan-x:master.
thanks anon

Is anyone here familiar with Pangolin?

>Have most of my services routed through my VPS via Pangolin
>SSO, authentication, traffic screening on for all of them
>Except Nextcloud

I'm struggling to get the Nextcloud Linux Mint integration and phone apps working with my self-hosted Nextcloud instance on TrueNAS Scale.

Do you use autotune on your servers to keep power bill in check?
Or do you keep the CPU at max frequency?

>>105673309
Most modern hardware already has enough built in low power modes that this is not necessary (early Ryzens were an exception). And I just turn it off when not in use.

I'm planning on migrating the nas to a odroid H4 plus, which would cut power usage by a third on full load, and down to 5W when the drives spin down. That way, I wouldn't have to bother turning it off. The only issue is the lack of connectivity, I'd have to get m.2 splitters, extenders, sata plugs,etc. And I'd have to give up 10GbE.

>>105657008
Settled on Suwayomi-Server and a bash script that queries AniList to keep everything named neatly and then moves files to my library for Komf and Kavita to handle.
Haven't found anything for Nyaa, but I guess tankobons aren't so commonly released that manually getting them is a pain.
Yep, this is serving the home as God intended.

>>105654441
If you use multi mode fiber it’ll be fine, bend radius isn’t extreme enough to cause serious damage

>>105654441
>>105654483
>keine tragende wand
>kalksandstein bohren ist hart
>nicht mal stahlbeton
you sound like a retard

>>105673530
>odroid H4 plus
Why not get something like 1L miniPC?
these idle around 10W.
But I gotta admit that board look sexy as fuck.
Pretty cool I/O too.

>>105669988
I have one right in front of me: Dell 7060. It's running TrueNAS scale and hosting some stuff for me

>>105673309
[Onizuka Naoshi] morning view

>>105657824
hidden (dot) files?

>>105674286
.oyvey

>>105671947
there is one company in germany that makes pretty much all the tape lirbaries worldwide.
ibm and co just put their branding on it.
if you work with lots of data or imporant data then physical tape backups are mandatory.

>>105674365
nobody said they are stupid, they are just inconvenient

have you seen the video how LTO-6 is the last good iteration before they start to scam the standard?

>>105674286
Those are visible over Samba, I can't think of any reason why rsync for instance would see them but Samba wouldn't.

>>105673951
>these idle around 10W.

odroid h4+ idles at a quarter of that, has dual Intel 2.5GbE (not realtek garbage), has 4 SATA ports plus one full speed NVME, has IPMI, has ASPM (since it's Intel it can go all the way to C10), can optionally boot off of eMMC so you can use the NVME port for other things, and allows you to bifurcate the NVME port all the way to x1x1x1x1 so you can use it to do four other things. It also has an ITX kit so I can put it in my existing case and run it off of an ATX PSU. It's also x86 so I can move TrueNAS onto it. It has a 4x 2.5GbE expansion if you want to turn it into a 6x2.5GbE pfsense router.

Mini PCs can tick... two, perhaps three things from that list?

>Order fiber to the house at 2.5gbs
>Waiting
>Waiting
>Buy a BUNCH of 2.5g hardware (switches, NICs, cables)
>Set it all up and wait
>Get an email
>Randomly selected to be upgraded to 3.0gbps

Bloody bastard bich sir... I know I should be happy but my retarded ass should have just went straight to 5g hardware reeeeeeee

>>105674563
life must be really hard for you when these are your greatest worries

>>105674671
It's not too much a worry, I just wish I had done the smart thing and prepped for higher speeds right from the start

>>105674504
>ASPM C10

>>105673530
I'd be wary of moving shit just for efficiency sake.
I'm moving something to a pico psu setup that will probably take off 10w-12w but it will take 7+ years to pay off

Can only really justify it because it'll be passive and you'll be paying out the ass for an SFX PSU with an eco/passive mode anyway, so might as well go the efficient route too.

>>105671947
thanks for the video, very informative.
I've always assumed tape setup to be expensive, but now that i'm looking at buying 8x 24TB drives for my main pool expansion, it does look very affordable.
My main issue with tape is lack of flexibility, with offline HDD backup ZFS pool i can attach all the drives simultaneously and easily verify the data, look at any file, run a scrub, run SMART tests, send incremental snapshots, prune older snapshots etc.
With tape, i have no such flexibility. Even if you can backup the ZFS incrementally with snapshots across tape, verifying the data must be a pain in the ass, i assume you can't verify a tape that only contains an incremental snapshot, and you have to restore the entire pool from every tape first.
Also this "sliding window" backup strategy where i push new snapshots and prune old ones would require additional maintenance and metadata outside of the tape itself, i'd have to remember which tape contains which snapshots at which offset etc. It all seems too scary, if i fuck up once and miss some snapshot, i won't be able to restore anything after it.

>>105674683
>I just wish I had done the smart thing and prepped for higher speeds right from the start

and yet you still are not. smart would have been being patient. even if you get the right hardware, in EU there is a 14 day return right for 100% full money back without naming ANY reason.

patience means, you buy after. test the hardware and if the the 5gbits or 10gbits nics and switches suck you can return them.

>>105674745
>I've always assumed tape setup to be expensive, but now that i'm looking at buying 8x 24TB drives for my main pool expansion, it does look very affordable.
Oh yes you definitely want tape for the headache of having to back up this much data, depending on your level of redundancy in that disc pool. Hope you can get that model from the video, where it is trivial to avoid even buying the official PSU and just save more money.

>>105673951
>4 SATA ports
>AsMedia ASM1064B
every fucking time. Don't use it if you don't want to loose your data.

>>105674504
Yeah my issue with with the CPU.
You can't do much other than files IO

>>105674699
You need proper ASPM to be able to get your cpu package down to C10. Otherwise it will have devices holding up the PCIE lines and keep the CPU at C2 or even lower.

>>105674722
I have a platinum rated Corsair 450W SFX PSU and it only saves 1-3W over a gold rated Be Quiet Pure Power 11 400W ATX PSU, with the latter costing less than half.
I also tried with a 160W pico PSU, and it had the same idle as the Be Quiet Gold. All three of these tests were with just the board only, no components.

The problem with the pico psu was that once I reached a higher power draw, it was drawing ~100W when the Be Quiet only drew ~80W. Since 80W is what I get with the HDDs connected and running, the pico PSU obviously performed much worse. And that was with just the HDDs spinning and idling, when they are at load it gets even higher, and during boot when all drives are spinning up I get as much as 170W. So the pico PSU is right out.

Maybe if you have a hdplex GaN 250W then this is not a problem, but I heard those run extremely hot (70C on the surface of the heatsink) and they cost as much as a platinum rated sfx psu. Which was what I ended up getting, found one very lightly used for half price.

>>105674811
What a coincidence! I want to use one for files I/O.

And it can still do more than ARM based synology/qnap shitboxes.

>>105674987
arm is cheaper

>>105674563
>2.5Gb
10Gb ethernet is over 20 years old... I just upgraded my LAN from 10/40Gb to 25/100Gb, get with the times

>>105675040
internet is still under 1 gb

>>105675058
PCIE5.0 NVME drives can saturate 100Gb lines.

>>105674563
Should've just gone to 10G hardware, really.

Time to suspend myself to RAM.

>>105675006
yeah, because it is worth nothing.

>>105674806
are you some kind of jmicron shill or something?
i don't get it. what the fuck else do you expect them to use?
they're perfectly adequate chips.

>>105675385
>are you some kind of jmicron shill or something?
no, there's plenty of testimonies of people having issues with JMicron chips as well
>what the fuck else do you expect them to use?
AHCI SATA or PCIe SAS HBA, obviously
>they're perfectly adequate chips
they are noti've had one and it was corrupting the data in-transit

/hsg/'s quest for moderately priced small form-factor devices with server goodies that aren't built on shit chips marches ever onward.

>>105675100
>PCIE5.0 NVME drives can saturate 100Gb lines.
Why are you watching movies with poor compression?

>>105675451
>no, there's plenty of testimonies of people having issues with JMicron chips as well
no shit. jmicron slop is well known for cooking itself and then your data.
>AHCI SATA
your options for sata host controllers in current year are either jmicron or asmedia. I don't know what else you expect people to choose.
>i've had one and it was corrupting the data in-transit
let me guess, it was one of those $5 no-name chink cards, right?
a market famous for producing well-made products that stand the test of time, and never churning out shit designs with shit production quality and cloned chips

>>105675534
Why are you watching 2GB 1080p rips on your 4K TV?

>>105675547
>your options for sata host controllers in current year are either jmicron or asmedia. I don't know what else you expect people to choose.
by AHCI SATA i've meant the onboard Intel/AMD chipset SATA, also SAS HBAs accept SATA drives too, they are not marketed as SATA controllers, but effectively they are one too.
>let me guess, it was one of those $5 no-name chink cards, right?
no, it was Axagon, a Czech company dealing almost exclusively in cards and adapters based on such controllers, similar to Startech, Delock, Gembird etc.
>a market famous for producing well-made products that stand the test of time, and never churning out shit designs with shit production quality and cloned chips
and what makes you believe that odroid is any different?
SAS HBAs only have a few designs, each battle-tested in enterprise storage systems worldwide, while those AsMedia/JMicron chips get sprayed all over hundreds of cheap chink SBCs, PCIe cards, USB DASes etc.

>>105675658
>those AsMedia/JMicron chips get sprayed all over hundreds of cheap chink[shit]
and out of them both, asmedia is far more popular, yet jmicron has more reported issues.
>Axagon, Startech, Delock, Gembird etc.
all these companies just market existing chink shit. one would hope their sourcing is better than random aliexpress listing, given they have to service warranties, though thats not always held true.
>and what makes you believe that odroid is any different?
they have a reputation to uphold, same as any motherboard vendor using asmedia chips (if you can find one that still makes boards with more than just chipset sata, anyway)

>>105654047 (OP)
Why two (or more) mini pc?

>>105676071
rule of cool

>>105675850
nta but I had issues with jmicron not properly working, but the asmedia based sata cards I used were always reliable.

Does TrueNAS run well in a VM? Do I need a HBA if I have two drives and I can just pass one to the VM?

>>105654047 (OP)
I managed to get a dell optiplex 3046 for free from my work when it was throwing shit out, considering it's an i3 is it even worth trying to put proxmox on to do some basic NAS stuff?

Should I buy used HDDs from Amazon? It doesn't specify if they're refurbished by the manufacturer or just sold used by a third party

>>105676272
why do you need proxmox to do basic nas stuff

>>105674924
PicoPSUs are very much dependent on the base PSU used.
I know for a fact I can drop 10w atleast because there is a similar setup in the low power systems spreadsheet. I'll just be using a meanwell EPP 200 instead.
Current setup draws 22-25w with an old Delta SFX unit. It's legit getting noisy even tho it was new when I started using it a few years ago.

>>105676395
my initial idea was already to mess around with proxmox to learn proper virtualisation, before I looked very closely at the specs of the box in my hand

>>105676430
>I know for a fact I can drop 10w atleast because there is a similar setup in the low power systems spreadsheet
dont trust anything in that fucking sheet. theres dc measurements, S1(!) measurements and straight up bullshit in there.

>>105676430
I was using a meanwell PSU designed for up to 200W LED strips.

>>105656116
Kino pic rel.
I was using this, but I'm thinking of switching to Artemis/Apollo because apparently it handles scaling to the remote device display better, at least on windows. On Linux I still use sunshine/moonlight with a dummy HDMI plug and EDID spoofing.
In any case, do you mean lock it so someone physically couldn't plug in a monitor to your server and see the output? I don't believe so.
>>105663342
I just max it out. 150

>>105668606
bump. I tried a different cable that should be gigabit. Is this nas just too slow for full speed?

>>105664805
I'm not made of money, can't do high capacity storage without HDDs. RAID isn't really necessary but I like high availability and automatic failover for my content served to friends and family.
>>105669556
Thank you anon
>>105669560
qrd on how this is different from previous solutions?

>>105676824
Never used or seen one of those, so I don't really know what to say. 8MB/s is incredibly slow for 2025 standards so it's hard to believe that would really be its "normal" performance unless its performance is the equivalent of some ancient Raspberry Pi. I don't know what level of access you have to the thing, if it's Linux and you can SSH into it, try running iperf or something to test the actual network connection without any drive access. Maybe just plug the cable into something else and test it with iperf to make sure the cable and the port on the switch are fine.

>>105657835
Bump, basically:
Security-wise what's the difference between setting a ftp myself, and using ftp provided by my tp link or tenda router/ap?

>>105676969
thanks. I disabled CIFS and tried using the webui instead and now I can download at 18MB/s. I guess it's good enough but this is very strange.

>>105657835
>>105676989
ftp has no security, but a router is a small board computer just gets zero firmware updates so I wouldn't trust it to not snoop or have software flaws

>>105676571
Well see when my damned digikey order comes in.
I highly doubt a psu from 2005 is exactly topping the charts for low load efficiency and that 22w is somehow a good result for a lga 1150 xeon in an x10slh-f board

>>105676272
I'm in a similar case. I got a 3040 with the i3. I think it will work just fine though for some small stuff. I might use promox but I really only need a Windows VM so I might just use rig something with Ubuntu Server.

Wait do I really need two drives for TrueNAS? I mean I have two but one would be for the OS and the other for the NAS.