READ THE WIKI! & help by contributing:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Home_server

/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.

>What software should I run?
Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.

>Why should I have a home server?
De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.

>Links & resources
Cool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
https://reddit.com/r/datahoarder
https://www.labgopher.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/index
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Features
ARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQ
Low-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI
SFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/
Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/
PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf
>i226-V NICs are bad for servers
>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT mode
WiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn (embed)
Cockpit is nice for remote administration

Remember:
RAID protects you from DOWNTIME
BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSFD6bfASfE

Good video how tape beats all other backup media if you have too much data.

>>105680195 (OP)
>Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.
How much should I charge them for my service? Realistically speaking I could give them double the storage and half the price of conventional cloud providers. It's fairly easy in my country to have tax deducted from renting parking spots or storage should I exceed what I can legally declare as donations, so I'm always on the law abiding side.

>>105680246
This looks nice, I can charge them even for stores/restores and they can have their data in their own LTO cartridge. This even allows them to have a commercial service restore it should I be unable to. Know many hobbyist photographs and musicians.

>>105680346
>charging your friends

for anyone wanting to use a mini-pc as a server, be warned they run HOT and there isn't shit you can do to fix it. Mine uses 30% CPU on average and it hovers between 58~65C. 75C on a heavy load. This is AFTER reapplying thermal paste and dusting the fans.

My fucking EPYC 32 core server runs cooler than my mini PC.

>>105680195 (OP)
>Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you.
or be cool and OpenBSD. (other BSD also is an option)

>>105680647
cuck license

>>105681153
>Tanenbaum
it's like I play Bioshock and meet the arch rival of Ayn Rand

Is there something I can buy where I can have 2x24TB in RAID 0 with another two bays that also have 2x24TB in RAID 0 but mirroring that first RAID 0?

The last thread had some people posting about those thinkcenters.
I thinkcenter m910q, how to get fan speed monitoring?
lm_sensors aren't detecting it.
However hardware info on windows do.

i just discovered the hpe edgeline cartridge server systems and im fucking tempted bros
talk me out of it, ive been hurt by hpe before so i should know better but apparently im a dumb retard

about to get a server for free but i already have one.
Anything cool i can do with two?

>>105680608
yeah a tiny box with tiny fans is going to run hot, but also, so what, let it run hot

>>105681286
buy? like... a computer? literally anything that has space for four disks? is this an extremely confused ask for RAID 10?

>>105681387
I get the appeal of things being modules, but:

they only support a few modules with old CPUs, they run hot and loud, they aren't even cheap, and you'll need to scrounge for firmware etc. from HP

even as a mini pc hater, mini pcs would be faster, less expensive, quieter, smaller

>>105665712
>>105665717
>>105665830
Can't quote everyone who replied to me in the last thread, triggers the spam filter, so I'll just have to quote my posts only, but thanks to everyone who helped

So I unplugged the fan internally, temps are good, barely hotter than before. Maybe it's also because I re-did the thermal paste and might have tightened it better, but still it's good at idle without the fan.

Only one problem...it doesn't boot up normally, the BIOS prevents it with a message of 'Fan error'.
The only way around it is to be at the computer and quickly press Esc as soon as it pops up, then it'll bypass it.
But this means no remote reboots.
Now this is a dedicated NAS, disconnected from the outside internet, it basically never gets rebooted unless there is a power cut (v rare) or there is some physical need to.

So I'm tempted to stick with it for now, but that is kind of a bummer. 3 options long term.
>1) Keep using it without the fan, deal with the boot issue
>2) Plug the fan back in, have it spinning uselessly 99% of the day
>3) (a) Buy a fanless chink mini PC. Got any recs? Needs to have as many USB ports as possible as I doubt these machines will have any one cutting edge giga hyper speed port that all drives can use together via an enclosure or hub? Would also like TPM because it's a Windows Storage Spaces NAS (simple, just werks, great disk flexibility), and I like to have the OS encrypted, so TPM = easy reboot on encrypted Wangblows
>3) (b) Craziest option, but it bypasses limitations of prebuilt machines...build my own giant fanless NAS? Is this even possible, practical? Are there even desktop cases that are built for fanless? Or are they all built based on the idea of fans?

p.s. I have also tried TPFanControl, multiple times over the years actually, never worked on my machine for some reason. And ThinkFan is Linux-only I think.

>all those lanes wasted on usb
aarrgh, gimme a consumer cpu with more pci slots pls

>>105681751
>but also, so what, let it run hot
more likely to thermal throttle and die in 2-3 years. no PC component should be running 70C+ on average for extended periods of time.

>>105681755
>Can't quote everyone who replied to me in the last thread
Please you don't have to, your narcissistic shit.

>>105681751
yea I think I was just asking for RAID 10. my bad.

could i remove a drive when in RAID 10 and swap it with a good one without losing data?
I filled my 8TB of storage and I want to upgrade to 24TB but I want to ensure that I don't lose data in case a drive dies.

>>105681755

why do you use quotes on your own ideas? are you retarded?
>>>/b/

>>105681789
Those USBs have their own dedicated PHYs, they aren't really taking from PCIe unless your retarded mobo vendor decides you need more than 5 20gbps ports.

>>105681799
to shout out those who helped me in the previous thread
>>105681830
well i couldnt quote everyone but quoting my posts at least frames any new posts in the context of original subject matter, to avoid confusion.
you really wanted me to just continue posting in the new thread without referring back to the topic and previous posts? weird.

>>105681907
>weird.
fuck off to reddit tourist

>>105681893
they take pch pci lanes

I know, I know. Unifi is gayboi status. Anyone have suggestions on projects to get into with proxmox? I'm looking to get a chassis for pbs, and probably switch out hardware from my 4U and using that chassis for to try and self host an uncucked LLM. I'm a big retard and only recently set up all my UID and GIDs correctly across my LXCs. Slowly learning.

>>>105678011
This afternoon I did manage to get proxmox set up on it (although a singular drive with no RAID, using ext4) so the hardware is supported

>>105681751
nobody makes a fucking 2u dual mitx system unless you want to spend 800 on a case and it pisses me off
i just want a 2 node cluster that i can use for maintenance failovers FUCK

>>105682168
RackChoice 2U Dual Mini‑ITX 14″ Deep ?

>>105682253
>i was retarded the whole time
damn...

>>105681531
Looks like the server i got is a HP Proliant DL360 G7.
Also looks like every slot is populated but its so old that i have no cables to connect my monitor with so i cannot check if it actually works.
I still plugged some power into it and besides the diagnosis/error led blinking the drives also booted and all fans ran at max for a plit second. Seems to idle after that. I have not measured its power draw yet but can you imagine any usecase of it if it works?

>>105681993
LLM hosting takes specific hardware. You either go apple silicon, amd strix point, very specific epyc build with fast ram or start buying gpus.
You could get away with one gpu and some fast 8ch ram. Get 24GB ram minimum if you're doing single card. I have a TTS engine + LLM running my homeassistant AI. It's on my old 8th gen intel gaming pc with a 1080ti. 11GB isn't nearly enough VRAM so I run my main model on my 7900xtx in my current gaming pc.
>recently set up all my UID and GIDs correctly across my LXCs
Well done anon. You set it up with lxc.idmap? I remember spending an embarrassing amount of time figuring out how to map ids to containers.

kopia is pretty cool for a backup solution, only thing is that you can't specify multiple repos for destinations

>>105680608
>75C on a heavy load
thats not hot though

>>105681153
>cuck license
gpl is

>>105681803
you can lose 1 drive per set (mirror)

>>105681995
why go through all that effort if you just need windows, just install windows. especially on a shitbox like that

>>105682334
Yessir, I mapped them correctly as far as I can tell in their configs with all the unprivileged lxcs. Had to change some IDs with my 5ish users across all the containers. Finally can stop running everything as root on my network drives. Nobody:nobody days of glory.
My 4u is running some Chinese overstock Supermicro board gen 2 epyc with 256gb ECC. I was looking into getting another earlier Gen epyc and maybe a NVDA Tesla card or whatever high vram for the LLM.
I have to upgrade my PC, I'm running (3).1080tis right now (goofy buys, super cheap saving from the mines years ago. I thought one was a scam and bought a different deal). Might look into using them for something. Overall I'm not sure if I should start messing around with setting up some kind of parsing workflow for an LLM before I get the new hardware.

>>105681360
If anyone interested in this, I looked up and seems the chipset is actually for AMD so you need this to work.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lm_sensors#Asrock_X870_Steel_Legend_WiFi_/_B650I_Lightning_WiFi

>>105680195 (OP)
>cockmail hacked
Incompetent monkeys. I'm sure it was a honeypot all along.

I need to transfer files between two computers over wifi, what the hot tech? rsync over ssh? sftp?

>>105683045
I wouldn't go earlier for LLM. DDR4 is already considered too slow to really handle llms and ECC DDR4 is even slower. You can do some fun stuff with 3 1080tis. At least competing with the free tiers of grok or chatgpt.
A very bad idea but also rad as fuck would be buying 4 amd Mi50s and running vulkan or rocm llama.cpp. You can get them for ~$250 each and have 128GB vram for $1k. That with some ram offloading gets you in spitting distance of heavily quantized qwen 3 or r1 with ~10t/s generation which I consider the minimum to be useful.
If you want to play around with anything other than llms you're pretty much stuck with nvidia. Rocm is such a massive pain to work with unless the project explicitly supports it.

Is it normal for file transfer protocols to have insane overhead? When copying files from either my old desktop (SMB share) or my RPI5 (via SFTP) to my phone, the transfer speed seems capped at around 20MB/s, but if I use simple FTP it can pretty much max out my connection.

LUKS or zfs encryption for 6 x 14TB raidz2 pool

Any reason to get rack servers nowadays? Seems like everything on the market is either very expensive or very old. Desktop hardware in comparison seems to have closed the gap.

>>105683741
>Desktop hardware in comparison seems to have closed the gap
Really it's the opposite, desktops are more restricted than ever. x870e motherboards have some of the worst pcie layouts I've ever seen and 4 stick ddr5 is unstable while still being dual channel.
Networking is still 1 or 2.5gbe by default. There's only one overpriced redundant psu option in the standard ATX formfactor. Bifurcation used to be common with AMD sockets and now you have to hunt for it.
If you don't need or care about any of that then use a desktop.

>>105683183
Amd mi50s is interesting with PCI power. I need a new PSU for my Supermicro case to support multiple GPUs. Already got bigger power supplies. I'm pretty corny wanting everything to be containerized running on proxmox. GPU shit is already weird enough. I'll look into a lot of that.

>>105684049
Just hookup a jumper bridge to an ATX psu 24pin and power the gpu separately.
>wanting everything to be containerized running on proxmox
I'm the same but caved into the homeassistant VM when they discontinued core. I have my igpu passed through to jellyfin but I don't have a spare dgpu to throw in.
I followed this guide to get my igpu passed, idk if it'll work for your setup: https://yoursunny.com/t/2022/lxc-vaapi/

My NAS all-purpose array is currently made up of 4x 2TB 2.5" HDDs, with of course a view to future expansion.
I want to switch to SSDs (SSD for always-on, HDDs for cold backups). I've held off on the transition because I was unsure which direction to go in (2.5" SATA vs m.2 SATA vs m.2 NVMe), and didn't want to make an expensive mistake by sinking money into the wrong solution.

Without knowing the physical build/setup, just in general, which would you say is the right path? (I still want all disks to be 2TB)

>>105683741
>Any reason to get rack servers nowadays
If you have switches, multiple servers and UPS, absolutely. There will never be a time when racks are not needed unless someone combines all these technologies into one unit.

I wish I had multiple 42U racks. One for my desktop equipment/printer/etc, and another for my storage/AI server. If I ever got rich I'd built a dedicated server room with 42U racks and dedicated cooling. 1PB storage server, 4x H100 AI processing server, and the best desktop money can buy. God the thing's I do.

>>105684292
pointless really, the hardware would age out before you got to use it
but sure its fun to fantasise

>>105684171
Can't give you a proper answer without knowing what you want to do with the drives and your constraints. Spinners are much cheaper than SSDs. Use those if price is a concern. SSDs are much better for things like torrenting because they handle fragmented files better. Use them if you run a lot of VMs or torrent things. SSDs are obviously much faster, so use them if you need high speed reads and writes.

>>105684416 (me)
Oops, just reread your question and realized it was about SSDs only. Again hard to say without constraints.

>>105684355
>pointless really, the hardware would age out before you got to use it
what? I've already got a 500TB storage server and have been using it perfectly fine for the past 10 years. My desktop is practically an AI server, minus the H100, and although my rack isn't 42U, it's still houses most of my components. I'm using them all currently just fine. I'm not sure what you mean by pointless or aging out.

my digikey order came in.
Ain't she pretty anons and totally not a future fire and electrical hazard?

I just need to find downtime

>>105684613
>had 500TB for ten years
>If I ever got rich
wtf are you storing 500TB of

whats the difference in port forwarding in OPNsense Firewall: Rules: WAN vs Firewall: NAT: Port Forward

I just noticed there was a port forward section and just used the WAN and it works fine to vpn into my network

if there any way I can migrate off unraid to TrueNAS? I can delete around 30TB of data and maybe keep moving stuff over one by one, on each disk?

unraid causing a lot of headaches, slow as fuck (fuse) and is generally buggy (you'll know once you use it).

>>105684810
no I meant I've had my storage server for 10 years and it has slowly grew to 500tb(518TB exact).

>wtf are you storing 500TB of
the usual things any data hoarder has. tv/movies/music/porn and now recently, LLM's, ai models and loras. and again, it's only 250tb usable storage because the other half is mirrored raid.

>>105685033
I use Unraid and it's rock solid for me desu. Latest version too.

I have a TrueNAS Scale backup server where a copy of all my shit lives. I personally use Syncthing but it might take awhile.

>>105685062
actually to add, probably longer than 10 years. I started technically backing up and archiving when I was 10 years old using multiple CD-ROMS. I'd copy that to my current 20gb desktop and eventually upgraded to a 50gb external HDD. In 2009 I got my first 1TB HDD. It was the first thing I bought with my paycheck when I started working.

My server has been with me every step of the way and the data is priceless.

>>105684648
Give me the QRD on this CIA looking device

What are the general temperature ranges that server BMC chips can/should operate at?

>>105685404
0-80C

>>105685120
It's a meanwell 12V power supply with a pico PSU in a bracket meant to go where an SFX PSU would go.

The idea is that it's passive and hopefully more efficient than a regular SFX PSU since most regular PSUs can be pretty inefficient at extreme low loads

>>105685446
Thanks, king.
>but what about static pressure?

Talk me out of it for my Unraid server. I'd be upgrading from an i5 12500k

>>105685652
>in tel aviv

>>105685681
I'm not changing motherboards my nigga, intel of this gen and price point has better codec support
>or so I've (((heard)))

>>105685687
I'm self-aware enough to know I'm a die-hard AMD fanboy, so I completely understand your desire to stick with your motherboard's socket.

>>105684883
port forward puts the WAN rule in and also applies reflection if you want to do the same from inside your network

>>105681797
I thought heat changes were more damaging to components than high but stable heat? (Not that 58C-65C is all that hot to begin with.)

im using prometheus to get metrics from another service, but it's behind auth. how do i access it

>>105686033
>https://prometheus.io/docs/prometheus/latest/configuration/https/

>>105686052
ive read that but it doesnt support openid. seems I may need to do some reverse proxy fuckery

I don't want to run a 24/7 server but I do want to run a PC as a network drive that I plan to turn off, or maybe put to sleep, regularly. How should I go about this? I want to learn a little server stuff and not just use Windows network drive or whatever.

>>105684648
Thanks for the inspiration anon

is there any good 5G sim router that doesn't cost a fortune?
>>105686418
>I don't want to run a 24/7 server
why not? it can be as little a less than 5W total power. having something running 24/7 like that can be very useful, akashually.

>>105688150
>why not?
No real reason I need to right now for one. It's not to say that I don't want to, I just don't have the right hardware for such things. But I wanna learn so when I can I won't have to fiddle as much with it and just get it running.

>>105688150
>is there any good 5G sim router that doesn't cost a fortune?
no
openwrt + dongle/pcie card is cheapest decent option

bump

With jellyfin/plex
What's the advantage of HW encoding if it has shitty compression and poor quality compared to SW encoding?
Is it better to use SW if it's fast enough?

How do I test my drives with badblocks? They are unformatted 2TB HDDs. I mostly need to know if setting the '-b' flag for block size matters or not and how to find out if the block size is 512 or 4096 if it does.

>>105689689
You don't.
Just zero it with dd, and then run SMART.

>>105683157
>"hacked"
Der ewige PHP

>drive starts randomly experiencing issues
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I guess if I absolutely have to I can swap out a fresh one, but there's really no indication from any SMART values that this should be having issues. I swapped the SATA cable on it just to be sure.
And before anyone asks, yes I do use an HBA in IT mode.

>>105685652
>degrading rust cpu in a server
yikes, also completely unnecessary upgrade unless youre hosting a minecraft server

What do you use for reading comics? Is Kavita the best option? Is there some secret way that I could use Calibre Web instead?

>>105680346
jew spotted

Is a mini PC really the best option for a low power router device? $120 for an N100 and NIC already installed is looking hard to beat.
I know I could build my own, I just don't see how i could do that and also make it small and low power consumption and also beat them on price.

>>105692295
or just a router

4-1500W preemptive autoscaling homelab
*refuses to explain*

redpill me on openmediavault

>>105693412
like incels, if you can't get it done yourself use software that does it for you, even if it's easy to do
how's that for a redpill

>>105693466
very nice, thanks
i was already planning on getting debian on my nas anyway, so might as well i guess

>>105693270

How often do you reboot your servers?

>>105693552
Never, except today has been like 3 times because my power keeps going out due to work in my area and I've had my UPS unplugged as I get my rack setup.

>>105693596
Plug the UPS back in.

I've been wanting to do this for a while but not super sure which route to take. Let's say I have firstnamelastname.org domain (some failed actor took .com).

How do I go about setting up an email with this domain? I want to use it for job applications/personal services. Is there a specific email service that's cheap/free that will let me do this? Doesn't have to be Google but if it's not more expensive, that works. Is there anything else I should know about?

>>105694094
Don't bother selfhosting email for anything serious. I have half a dozen email servers and none of them are used for anything other than readily available throwaways. Especially if its for business just get any premium plan with any email provider and use your domain that way.

>>105694150
Oh yeah, definitely not going to ever self host. Just need a babys guide on what to do

>>105694162
Pick a provider and follow their guide. No idea what the process is like with gmail, proton and tuta have step by step guides when you set up a custom domain with them so I'm guessing everyone else does too.

Want to stop paying for Apple Music, what can I self host to replace it with?

>>105694150
>>105694162
>>105694203
What's so bad about self-hosting email?
I've heard it is bad, but never specifically why.

bruddas
I'm looking for something like parsec, but without brand labeling and login requirement. Also needs to support microphone passthrough and run in a browser.
>hurr durr guacamole or kasm
aren't these rdp clients and slow as shit? nigga I need those fast UDP packets. WebRCT type shieet, y'get me.
gang gang.

>>105694094
google workspace is $8 a month for a single email address
not worth
recommend mxroute (i use them) or hostinger
or if you want to go full schizo:
https://digdeeper.club/articles/email.xhtml

>>105694384
everything you send to gmail/microsoft/etc goes directly to spam and getting around that is next to impossible. you could rent a vps to relay so its not coming from a residential ip, but that doesnt matter, since every cheap vps or big server provider (ovh, hetzner especially) is pretty much guaranteed to be on at least one of the big email providers' block lists.

also chinamen constantly trying to use your server to sell dick pills

if you want to self host then do receive only or use an smtp relay service, its not worth it without
unfortunately all smtp relays ive found are shit or cost-prohibitive.

>>105694384
From personal experience:
You're going to have to jump through all sorts of hoops (SPIF, DKIM, reverse PTR, making sure the servers IPv4 you got hasn't been on any of the big anti-spam lists since the inception of the internet or it's already over anyways, etc) and you ARE going to get filtered anyways because email is a cartel.
My go to example is the one server with a clean IP that has been used for NOTHING but a singular email server for the last 10 years and it still gets filtered half the time by Gmail despite my setup when using Googles own fucking tool to check records, etc giving me a perfect score minus 0.1 points for not using Gmail.
And no the other big email providers aren't any better, they may vary in terms of how much they suck but they still all suck dick at the end of the day.
The worst one I have ever seen was a German email provider that blacklists anyone that doesn't have their personal address listed on their website. No I am not fucking kidding, they expect you to dox yourself if you want any of your emails going through.

>>105694267
Navidrome with Lidarr to manage songs.

Would asimple Mercury Minisforum with an external USB hard drive rack hooked into it be workable as a hashed together home server option? I've got one left over from an old project and was thinking of setting it up at home so I can make a nice file host.
If I were to do this are there any good options for a USB 3.1/3.2 hard drive rack that /g/ would recommend?

>>105684171
Depends.
In general, SATA (2.5") is a "finished" form factor and m.2 NVMe is a mystery. You can find drives sold with or without heatsinks and it's "moddable" and variable dependent on your installation environment more than 2.5" SATA is. 2.5" SATA is mostly plug and play, m.2 has other factors to consider.

Some NVMes will overheat to the point of shutdown but most SATA SSDs (2.5") will comfortably operate at max load for weeks of sustained work without cooking themselves to failure/shutdown.
If you can run NVMes (m.2) and give them adequate cooling, not having to deal with SATA power+data cables can be amazing.

Thermals don't matter all that much for basic storage but when it comes time for the NAS to do error detection (scrubs, etc) or rebuilding or configuring a RAID they will probably be looking at max utilization and potentially cook themselves even though your normal day-to-day usage would not.

If you are going big with an ATX tower and not some mini ITX shit, you can probably just use m.2 drives (NVMe) with heatsinks and airflow. If you're going small form factor I would recommend SATA (2.5").

>>105694527
>Google
Shit I thought it was $3.50 but that's only for 3 months. i see mxroute $10 a year for 3 years so I will probably go this route

>>105695411
their webmail sucks (roundcube) and the panel is quite confusing but the documentation and service is good

>every few months, server shuts down without warning
>now it happened twice in a week
she had a good run

>>105695411
i've been using mxroute for 8 years and have nothing bad to say about it even with my questionable domain names.

>>105692295
probably a wash on the low end, if the N100 board has everything you need it's a reasonable choice

if you want more CPU power or PCIe lanes there are some good minis

Thinking of building a small server. Any of the popular NAS drives exceed above the other? Like WD Red being the absolute best? Or do they all perform about the same?

>>105694555
this
I went through everything just to have it go to spam.
and the other side is if your email is ever put on any list you get non stop spam and running spam filters isn't easy.

What's something that would allow me to take a bunch of different services I'm accessing through a tab and put them all together in one neat place? Like a webpage or something.
>server is ubuntu
>client is xubuntu

>>105696946
gethomepage.dev, but individual services need to have an API to be useful in that way

>just dug out my old dying HDD that I used to run H@H out of
I'm playing hentai roulette

>Want to do a home server for Plex/Jellyfin
>The NAS alone is more expensive than my laptop
>Then also have to buy the hard drives, the PC, keep it all running 24/7
>Constantly running will wear down the hard drives
>electricity costs will be through the roof
>the noise will be unbearable (i live in a studio apartment)
>the heat it'll generate will melt me alive in summer
I'm not a tech bro but I've come to the conclusion that this is a terrible idea :(
I have currently have like a thousand movies stored in two 2.5" hdds and always getting them out of the drawer and copying the movie into my laptop is too much of a hassle.

>>105697718
just stream

>>105697718
>>The NAS alone is more expensive than my laptop
use something cheaper then
>keep it all running 24/7
not really. you can let it go to sleep and use wake on lan
>electricity costs will be through the roof
my server uses about 30kWh ($10 here) a month and its not even power-efficient stuff
>the heat it'll generate will melt me alive
open a window

>>105698316
>you can let it go to sleep and use wake on lan
How would this work?

>>105698334
you enable wake on lan in the bios and let the server go to sleep however you want (after inactivity, according to a time schedule)
when you want to start the server, you send a magic packet to the server's MAC address. for example with `sudo etherwake <mac address` from a different computer on the network. there are probably also some apps out there that can send the magic packet.

>>105698718
>using enterprise hardware in home server.
What's the booting time for you?

>>105698768
i'm using a consumer mobo and CPU but i have an HBA installed for more drives. i think boot time is around 30s because the HBA bios needs to boot before the OS can be loaded.

Is there a self-hosted cloud storage that has an android app that can do automatic syncing & cleanups?
As in, it syncs new photos while simultaneously deleting old ones. Basically self-hosted google photos.

I guess you could run this at home, but I would run it though a VPS proxy, and I don't have that sort of internet at home, wdg is dead so i'm asking here.

Lets say I am going to run a adult video website (could be anything really but we are all degenerates here), lets forget about ethics and legal stuff, this is just a hypothetical though experiment to think about hosting a tonne of video.

Say you compress the fuck out of the videos, average size is 50mb, disk is a 500gb ssd, thats 10,000 videos.
Unlimited 1gbps uplink is 2 videos up link a second. or say 120 users @ 1mb/s

Now comes monetization, i'm sure the click rate is gonna be fuck all, but if you focus on a specific interest, with 10000 or so videos, im sure over time you will get something?

HETZNER has plans that should cover all this for €31 a month, if it makes €100 a month, it could be a fun little project.

Now comes the software side, PeerTube / MediaCMS / Or a whole DIY thing?

>>105698841
call the israeli consulate IT department and ask them for help setting up federated services

these videos are 50 seconds long, on average?
seems low
>if it makes €100 a month
kek. good luck.

Can anyone explain me how to use docker like a retard? Building my home server tomorrow and everyone says to use that

Is anyone doing any media tiering on KODI?

Say after something has been watched move it to slower media and re-index. I'd like to store current downloads on SSD but move things over to HD once watched.

I've had a look into the KODI JSON RPC API and can see all the elements i think i would need, something like so.

1. find media that has been watched - api VideoLibrary.GetMovies, then look at playcount.
2. remove file from library - api VideoLibrary.RemoveMovie, param is movieid: <id>
3. move file from fast to slow storage
3. reindex new location - api VideoLibrary.Scan, param directory: <slow storage dir path)


Anyone doing anything like this to make use of fast and slow storage?

>>105699377
whats the point?

>>105699430

I'd like playback to happen on my media machine from SSD but my larger archive live on my NAS. NAS has plenty of space but i have limited SSD space.

>>105699323

If you mean how to best interact with it well you can use something like portainer, helps with the learning curve and just getting shit running.

Any usecases to share, what are you worried about?

>>105696791
Running your own spam filters is also going to require exponentially more resources than just running a SMTP relay and maybe some webmail. You can get a fully functioning mail server on a single vCore machine with maybe half a gig of RAM if you really needed to. Spam filtering, especially anything worthwhile, will require a much bigger resource and time investment than just a small mail server. Sad to say but the entire system is rigged against you, running your own email is effectively impossible to pull off reliably.

>>105699323
Docker is just one software for containers. containers are like virtual machines (those emulated operating systems) but they reuse a lot of the host operating system's capabilities. that means they are more efficient and easier to manage.
you use containers because it makes your life of managing, updating and keeping your software running easier. instead of installing all your software on one linux installation, you create one container for each of your software and run all the containers on a linux installation with what is called a Hypervisor. a hypervisor is a special OS to manage VMs and containers.
a big advantage of using containers is that if you need to restart the OS for some software you are running, you only need to restart the container. the rest of your applications can keep running in their containers.
if you mess up your container, you can easily replace it.
you can also make snapshots of your container so you can restore it in case of drive failure or you fucking up

>>105699482
why dont you just playback from nas though

>>105696621

If you are in the realm of 12,14,16+TB then no, not really. WD Red, Toshiba Enterprise, Seagate Ironwolf/EXOS are mostly the same. Warranty may differ which you may want to look out for, 3 vs 5years but untimely its going to be down to cost.

>>105699502
>use docker-compose
>one directory per container, you can run multiple services/containers inside one compose.yaml if you need to
>directory has dockerfile, compose.yaml and subdirectories for whatever volumes the container needs because fuck dockers own volume management

>>105699532
Also the noise the different HDDs make are a bit different from depending on both manufacturer and series but unless you are truly turbo autistic and run the drives next to where you sit you aren't going to notice it.

>>105699579

True. My WD Reds that are coming up to 5 years have gotten nosier the in the last year, but nothing crazy.

>>105699591
I have a dozen 8TB WD Reds that usually are pretty quiet. The 18TB HC550s and whatever the Seagates I have were (Exos maybe?) are of course louder just due to being server drives vs technically NAS tier stuff. But the loudest ones I have are definitely the 20TB Toshibas I bought last year. When you start hitting them with R/W cycles the heads moving around make a (to me at least) very annoying clicking sound. Not hard drive dying clicking, just high capacity HDD clicking.

>>105699522
i think you're overstating things, rspamd is pretty trivial to run with a half-decent config

Why is it a bad idea to replace my slowly failing 15 year old Xeon based Microserver Gen8 with an M1 Mac Mini running Asahi + some kind of USB storage?

>>105699680
usb storage is shit

>>105699680
If you have the Mac Mini great, else a second hand Dell/HP workstation and cramming some disks in is going to be a better option. Avoid USB drives if possible.

But without knowing your workloads its hard to guage what non x86 issues you might encounter.

>>105699701
So are my use cases

>>105699712
Just dumb home server shit like Plex, photo hosting for family, Minecraft server, bla bla. I kind of want something small and neat this time around not another hot noisy piece of shit in the linen cupboard

>>105699746
Docker might be a good idea then, you can check containers exist before making the leap. USB is still a concern, cable gets kocked shit isn't going to be happy.

Your power bill is going to thank you for getting off that xeon.

>>105699502
Main uses will be
>self hosting a bot I made
>storing all my movies and stuff and self hosting jellyfin
>setting up the most of the *arr suite
>self hosting my manga library
>setting up a vpn do get around my isp, as they put me behind cgnat and torrenting too much stuff at the same time crashes my internet
>automatic save backups for Steam games and emus
>self hosting game servers for me and my friends
>a way to access all the self hosted stuff also from outside my network, using subdomains for a domain I already own (for example, jellyfin.mydomain.com, manga.mydomain.com, Minecraft.mydomain.com and so on)
First two I'm already doing them through my raspberry pi albeit without docker, so it's just a matter of figuring how to move them without fucking things up.
Manga library, I'm doing that on my desktop right now through YAC Library, so same thing as jellyfin/bot.
Server hosting, I found Pterodactyl but I'm not sure if that's overkill for my use case, we're 6 people and right now we only play Minecraft every now and then
I'm already thinking about installing either Debian or omv
>>105699526
Thanks anon, guess I just need to learn how to set everything up then

>>105699656
trivial to run, sure. but it is not as good at filtering spam, especially the spam you get once your email is on a list

>>105699965
Forgot to mention, I'm paying for just the domain, not the hosting. Right now I'm using a cloudflared tunnel to self host it and access it from outside my net for jellyfin
As for the bot, it's a simple python bot

>>105700003
not as good as?
as what?

>>105699965
>I'm already thinking about installing either Debian or omv
install Proxmox

>>105700593
>Proxmox
>for dockershit and no vms
retard

>>105699965
learn how to make your own images
use docker compose
avoid docker volumes for persistent storage, use mounts instead
point *.example.com at your external ip, use caddy (easiest) or traefik (gay) to handle vhosts and ssl termination
you'll figure it out, docs are out there.

>>105700481
gmail is probably the best at filtering spam. if you've ever been email bombed you would know what I'm talking about. of all the email providers I've used that got bombed gmail has recovered the best.

>>105700757
>at your external ip
That's my problem, I'm behind CGNAT so I don't have one. A Cloudflared tunnel we the only way I found to bypass that
Thanks for the tips though

>>105700869
i just pay my isp a few extra pennies every month for a static ip
fuck clownflare

>>105680195 (OP)
does anyone know whether on sadpanda unlocking download limits cancels the gp cost for old galleries?

i want to scrape all touhou content via gallery-dl. i already scraped nhentai, but quality and tags there are worse since it's just panda reuploads.

i have like a million gp or something. never had to engage with gp before.

>>105700968
by unlocking limits i mean that "unlock for 20000 gp"

>>105700943
Tried calling mine, the operator was confused at first so they moved me to another guy who after over 1hr of call told me that at the moment they don't support static ips for customers
Thanks Uk

>>105680195 (OP)
whomst is hosting the /hsg/ irc?

inb4. what /hsg/ irc

>>105680195 (OP)
I need a small box that I can plop down next to my PC and use as a fast storage box (iSCSI, got a second 10Gbps ethernet port on my PC) with about 8TB of usable space for all my documents, media and vidya.
I also want to be able to access the storage with my phone and laptop when I'm not home, but it doesn't need to be ridiculously fast when doing so (no iSCSI on the go).
I think it's redundant to say, but it should also be secured well and encrypted because I'm talking about things like bank statements and medical documents.

What do I need for and how do I achieve this?

>>105700718
we all know he's gonna want to host something that requires a VM sooner or later. might as well set it up beforehand.

>>105700968
I think the GP unlock makes limits account based versus IP, so any IP limits probably don't apply anymore.
Just a guess tho, I haven't had to spend literally anything for the few things I download. I have like 13gb of free archives a week.

On a side note, what are some good 2hu doujin artists?

>>105702234
it's more on a per-touhou basis. keta has a few ran-sama goodies, itou life has lots of goodies, himajin has lots of goodies, ryuunosuke drew good sanae series before he quit 2hu, ginyou has lots of goodies, circle eden has a few really hot hings, zenoside has lots of good stuff, mizuga's great, but overall it's on a per-2hu basis.

>>105680195 (OP)
How do I stop being so fucking indecisive?
>Need new HDDs because mine are filling up
>Two 8TB in RAID1 ought to do it
>I could cache them with some SSDs
>But what if I want to access my shit from outside my PC
>Better move them off to a separate System
>Now I need ECC memory as well
>Throw in 10gig ethernet as well
>Now I have to plan in an UPS as well
>Can't afford all that, and I don't have the space for all that infrastructure
>Well then I could at least get new HDDs
>What about caching them
>...
My mind keeps looping over this shit ATT. How do I make this stop and actually build something?

>>105703160
>Now I need ECC memory as well
>Throw in 10gig ethernet as well
>Now I have to plan in an UPS as well
just stop

>>105700943
why? It's better (for shitposting at least) to be on dynamic or cgnat.
If I want to host something, I do it on my VPS, which obviously has the massive benefit of not being on my home network.
>HURRRR just use VLANs and host at home, you'll be safe
famous last words

>>105702147
https://store.qnap.com/ts-h973ax-8g-us.html

>>105703228
im not 14 any more
i dont feel the need to ban evade

>>105703603

>>105703321
Thanks

>>105703211 (checked)
Ok, but what two HDDs can I get for my PC to put and set them up as RAID1? I've been running 2 x Toshiba DT01ACA200 for the past 10 years as a JBOD and them slowly slowing down over the past few weeks is unnerving me a lot lately.

im not saying therell never be, but if it only fucks up small fragments of large video files, or the odd photo here and there among the ocean of photos, who fucking cares

>have basic setup consisting of mini pc running proxmox with home assistant and pihole
>want to access HA from outside my local network
>stumble upon tailscale
>easy as fuck to set up, now have tailscale vpn between phone and HA
>decide to venture further
>hook up external hdd and mount it in turnkey fileserver lxc with tailscale installed to have a network share reachable over vpn
>mfw it just works
>been dicking around for a day trying to set up nextcloudpi but that's also working in an lxc with data dir on external hdd now
>mfw discovering all the shit nextcloud has to offer
The day has finally come for me to ditch onedrive and dropbox. Feels good man.

Does anyone have a recommendation on security camera software and hardware?
I was already looking at making a home server, and now I just got a lot more serious thanks to a need for having security cameras recording 24/7.

>>105705246
>Feels good man.

>>105705246
Congrats dude, I got tailscale running with plex, navidrome, nextcloud, audiobookshelf, ssh and sftp, it's life changing. Just make sure your devices are self signed, your users are self signed, your tailnet account has 2fa enabled and your access list is set up properly.

>>105705481
I don't understand what the fuck is going on in that post

>>105705552
He's posting a screenshot of a reddit post where someone's tailnet got accessed because of a previously unknown vulnerability due to his fucked up username. What the screenshot leaves out, aside from being from reddit, is that the mods for tailscale posted in the thread that they've immediately patched the issue in the short term with a more long term changes being rolled out - the image is over a month old. He posts it in every thread that tailscale is mentioned in to farm (You)s.
Additionally, you can completely invalidate any of this by doing what's listed here: >>105705544
>set new devices to require admin approval
>set new users to require admin approval
>set up 2fa for your login with whatever account you signed up to tailscale with
>configure your access list to actually exclude anyone but yourself, should you want the extra peace of mind

>>105680195 (OP)
so i have a pretty simple plex server set up at home. im travelling soon and am gonna be gone for three weeks. how can i access my computer while im away ?

>>105705595
>set new devices to require admin approval
>set new users to require admin approval
>set up 2fa for your login with whatever account you signed up to tailscale with
>configure your access list to actually exclude anyone but yourself, should you want the extra peace of mind
or just apt install wireguard ; done

What do you guys use for professional email addresses? I got firstnamelastnameIT@gmail.com for applications.

>>105705595
Alright thanks for the rundown. I felt the post was poorly phrased but I didn't know if it was just me being retarded. It seemed like an incredibly easy thing to avoid, just don't log in with your third world email and watch the tailnet name.

>>105705710
Anytime. And just in case you're curious, tailscale and wireguard are effectively the same thing, run and managed by the same people: https://tailscale.com/compare/wireguard

>>105705728
>tailscale and wireguard are effectively the same thing, run and managed by the same people
i hope you kill yourself

>>105703603
im technically perma-b& from posting in a Lolita thread on /lit/ in like 2019. mod must have been having a bad day or something.

>>105699482
Are you using ZFS? Ignore the boomers that say L2ARC is useless, they changed a lot of things around, use an SSD pool (ideally NVMe) as your L2ARC, and stuff will get cached there. If it's big enough, you could pre-warm it with your library and then let it sustain from there.

There's really no good solution for tiering other than Windows Server Storage spaces, but you need to have some super specific storage setups to get a working config. When it works its nice though.

>>105705595
>>105705728
wireguard isn't even difficult to set up
you're just asking for shit to go wrong with a 3rd party

>notice a HDD in my RAID5 is indicating its dying.
>don’t want to resilver the RAID with a new drive
>buy larger HDDs to build a new RAID and transfer what I want to keep
>dell T620
>use lifecycle controller to create >>105706122
the new RAID.
>reboot
>original RAID HDDs are no longer in a RAID and are listed as not configured and spare.
>itsover.png
>boot into my PERC H701p raid contoller
>rebuild the RAID without initialising
>everything seems ok
Why did this happen? Is this a common issue with dells built in lifecycle controller? I now know to do all RAID configurations through PERC

>>105706360
Why do you write like you're an AI?
but yes, the lifecycle controller sucks at just about everything, just access the raid controller directly from the OPROM when you boot.

>>105706382
>Why do you write like you're an AI?
I did a lot of MDMA/speed in the early 2000s I think it damaged the way I process information.

I'm going to make a small server using a 2TB WD Black. :)

>>105705544
By self signed do you mean setting up my own root ca and using that to issue client certs, manually adding the root ca cert to all the trust stores? Or could I set up an intermediate ca with a common root ca? But then I'll need a domain name I guess.
What about enabling https on tailscale and having that generate let's encrypt certs for the magicdns entries? Would having the dns entries in a public ledger compromise security and/or privacy somehow?

>>105706313
it's a tool for clueless people who want to run a homeserver but don't want to put in any effort, in fact im gonna filter it i can't be bothered with these idiots
/(plex|n100|n95|nixos|tailscale)/i

>>105689605
Anyone?

Why does jellyfin not support vp9 encoding?

>>105689605
>What's the advantage of HW encoding
It's faster and more efficient. Also, if you have GPU that supports AV1 encoding it's (probably) better than software h264.

>>105709312
>It's faster and more efficient
How it's more efficient?
Because the quality look bad compared to SW, or is it just me?
Does vaapi encoder perform badly or something?
And yes it's faster like x20 faster for me.

>>105709322
It's more power efficient, I mean. Software does look better generally. However, like I said before, AV1 hardware vs h264 software is likely flat out superior. You'll also have to take into account what GPU and API you're using as well. For example, vaapi on an AMD GPU looks the worst out of all the possible combos

>>105705595
uh ok but they still got in, so....

>>105709369
Ah I see.
Well I'm using intel integrated GPU, so I have h264/h265/vp8 encoding available only, and I'm using ffmpeg vaapi just like the wiki suggest.
And I can't seem to get good quality or decent video size.
Do you have any suggestions to improve this?

how do i delete someone elses post

Been looking at DASs again recently. Is the Lenovo SA120 still the best 12LFF reasonable money will buy?

>>105710610

Yeah seems so.

Not quite in the same league but the Chenbro DS25224 is nice, shame its so expensive.

>>105710035
If you're satisfied with software encoding I'd just stick with that. However, on jellyfin, you could try fiddling with the presets. Auto often seems to default to veryfast, which produces a pretty low quality image. You could also try using quicksync instead of vaapi if your iGPU supports it. I don't know the specifics but it's generally recommended to use it over vaapi with intel GPUs.

>>105711026
Well It's Intel HD 530, so it have QSV.
But the quality is pretty bad compared to SW which is my main issue, even when settings to pretty high bit rate, I can saturate my WiFi connection pretty fast.
And I can't seem to target specific file size even with specific bit rate.
The problem is mostly obvious with VP8 too.

>>105711071
If you're constrained by bitrate to that degree I'd just stick with software. Getting a GPU that supports AV1 is also an option if that's possible. I also forgot to mention that you could also try lowering the CRF value as well. The bitrate didn't seem to go any higher when I adjusted mine.

I'm new to home server shit so it's a bit of a shock that finding reliable reviews/benchmarks for anything not explicitly for gaming is such a hassle.

Anyway, I'm thinking of building an all-in-one server.
The two things I'm planning to use this server for and are relevant for this question are Machine Learning (my dad and I each have our own little projects) and Jellyfin.
I'm planning on throwing some kind of 3090 into this server for the former task, so one way or another this server is going to have that.
Before I had the idea of using this server for ML I figured I'd need to add the cheapest intel GPU I could get my hands on for efficient Jellyfin transcoding, since the 3900X I already have doesn't have an iGPU.

If I'm going to have a 3090 in my server there's no reason to add something like an Intel Arc Pro 40 in there as well, right? might as well have it handle the transcoding as well.
I know that the convention is that Intel are the absolute best for efficient transcoding but how much of a difference could it really make for like 2 or 3 concurrent streams? like 5-10 watts?

>>105711305
>no reason to add something like an Intel Arc Pro 40 in there as well, right
unless you want av1 encoding. for just h264/265 its fine.
rest of your assumptions are correct

>>105692295
I went through this process.

I like making custom shit work and am retarded.

I went with a CWWK Magic PC ($130) + a x710-DA2 NIC ($30) mounted together.

Its hidden in my closet, so I don't care how it works. Get 10gbs routing, with Adguard DNS + Unifi AP controller globbed onto OPNSense.

Works great, but looks like shit. CWWK was surprisingly helpful in BIOS support. Best I've seen in the industry which blew my mind for chink-shit.

Don't bully me /hsg/ I like it.

>>105711790
I bought the mini PC shortly after making that post, concluding that I could not, in fact, beat the Chinese at their own game.
Topton X2G N100 for opnsense. I'll use some spare RAM and an SSD I had lying around though instead of those they can optionally provide.
Your thing also looks good. Same sort of price range too when you factor in the parts I already had.
/item/1005009076655979.html

>>105711790
>I like making custom shit work and am retarded.
based. theyll never understand brilliant retards like us, anon.

>>105697718
Just set up a sneedbox with overseerr, I have shit upload speed at home and probably always will.

What's a good device to replace my Apple TV so I can watch my self-hosted coomtent while comfy on the couch?

I hate docker and any dev that uses it to deploy their shit so much it's actually unreal.
>have to move six docker containers with pre-existing data from one VM to another identical VM on a different host
>follow the devs instructions 1:1
>database either fails to start up at all with no error messages or simply stops starting because there is an existing database already
>the other containers can't find the other data
>running bare metal isn't an option because the dev managed to fuck up so bad that he himself is only capable of deploying modern working versions using his unholy docker construct of completely outdated containers

>>105699536
i do the reverse.
i like dockers volume management more than compose per directory management.

>>105712874
can't you just install plex/swiftfin or something else on the apple TV?

>>105713803
I can install Plex, but I was kind of hoping for something less locked down than the Apple TV store. The place is kind of a barren wasteland except for big streaming apps.

>>105712877
Bare Metal Boomer, did you try chmod 777 * ?

Anyways, there was this thing called Rendr / "RayInBlu" around 2010 which let you browse networks on old BD Live players, but I can't find an ISO anywhere.

i think we should be in a posttranscoding world
if your client does not support decoding natively throw it in the garbage can

>>105712877
move to podman

>>105713864
I like the Nvidia shield pro senpai, it does DV and whatnot. Android based.

>>105681797
>no PC component should be running 70C+ on average for extended periods of time.
Bumpgate is like, so 2008, man. Shit don't die from running over 70c no more. It is thermal cycling that kills, not plain heat.
Sustained 85c is okay. 80c is good. 75c is comfy.

>>105685930
Depends on the failure I guess but all those GPUs from the 2000s had the connections of the silicon die crack (flipchip packaging) because the reinforcement went soft over 70c and any thermal cycling over 70c significantly degraded the lifespan of the flipchip package. All those laptops and consoles would lobotomize themselves by silicon packaging oversights.
As for the magic thinking sand itself I think only extreme heat can break it, it doesn't fail very often at all.

>>105714278
Neat. I'll look into it

What is the optimal way to run LAN-based game streaming? Windows VM? SteamOS VM/docker container? Even noticed some sunshine container templates on docker hub. I am guessing I will still get best performance by just running a Windows VM with a stubbed GPU? Especially with nvidia.

>>105715005
Sunshine on linux, no VM, no container.

>>105715101
I will not run anything on my host hypervisor directly.

>>105715117
>hypervisor
Why do you need web ui for everything?
What's the advantage of such overhead ?

>>105715151
Where are you pulling webui out of your ass? I just said I'm not running anything on my hypervisor directly. That is bad practice for security.

Can anyone else answer my question? Not interested in what this dumbass >>105715151 has to say.

>>105715211
>That is bad practice for security
kek
I answered you what you needed to know, not what you wanted to know.

>>105715005
>I will still get best performance by just running a Windows VM
best performance is windows on bare metal

>>105715364
ok, I should have prefaced by saying I am currently running a Linux server (hypervisor) and have no intention of changing OS.
I am choosing between Windows VM, Linux VM, or some form of container (steam headless, sunshine, etc).

>>105714278
>>105714421
I have two Nvidia Shields. One from 2017, and the 2021 (?) pro version. Still getting updates and work flawlessly. The 2017 is connected to a flagship plasma TV so I don't need all the DV, HDR10 shit.

Honestly, its the best product nvidia has even made. All the ARM chink boxes, apple tvs, have bugs, glitches. NEVER had a problem with the shield.

I currently have 3 HDDs (1TB, 2TB, 4TB) full of media. I would like to move this stuff to a new 12TB HDD and I want to place this 12TB HDD in a raid1 (or mirroring equivalent) configuration with an identical drive

Few questions:
>hardware or software raid?
The computer they will be placed in is a gaming PC, idk what sort of performance penalty software raid has but hopefully it's no perceivable impact on my games.
Additionally, I would like the drives to be accessible in the case of a motherboard failure, I've heard your SOL in a hardware raid as you must use the exact same controller. is this true, are there workarounds like spoofing the controller in software to access a disk?

>how to initially copy the data onto the drives
My original plan was that I'd plug one of the new drives into my old PC, and just copy paste the contents of the existing 3 into the new one, problem seems to be that the drive must be configured for raid ahead of time and if I do that my understanding is my original PC will not recognize it. it's 7TB of data and trying to do it over a network is going to take forever

>what is the windows / linux compatibility between raid methods?
I'm currently running windows, but if steamOS ever comes out as a genuine thing (cope) or if I decide to actually set up a real NAS the raid would move to this linux system. I've heard hardware raid is universal and software raid is hopeless between them. Also you should use NTFS because windows & linux understand it but windows is shit with ext4

>>105715456
oh also

>does WSL2 have any problems with raids
I program as well and do everything in WSL. all my projects are stored on windows however (would be on the raided drives) is that a problem or can it pick them up fine no matter the raid method used?

>>105704294
Am this fag.
I've deliberated and had the idea to maybe go with SSDs instead. Now I can't decide between either
>4x4TB 870 EVO in RAID10
or
>2x8TB 870 QVO in RAID1.

My questions now are:
>Are SSDs even worth it over 2x8TBish HDDs in RAID1 in terms of price/perf?
>How do I set up RAID with Debian?
>Do I even go with software RAID?
>How exactly would I transfer all my shit from my old platters to my new drives?
I've never ever used RAID and I get the feeling that the current setup of my drives would make most people here screw themselves right into the ceiling:
>1 HDD + 1 SSD pairs
>SSDs are acting as cache for the HDDs via write-around bcache (NOT bcacheFS)
>No unpopulated SATA slots left.

tonight i will do it i will order things for my server oh gosh golly i will do it bros tonight is the night

>>105715674
what do you get

>>105712877
how do you fuck up reading and writing to a volume?

>>105715690
more ram
two 8tb ironwolfs
new cpu cooler

>>105715617
>>How do I set up RAID with Debian?
install md
>>Do I even go with software RAID?
use zfs

>>How exactly would I transfer all my shit from my old platters to my new drives?
??? copy them?

Here's your efficient minipc bro

>https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/1lgwhp4/my_intel_n100powered_nas_uses_more_power_than_my/

Enjoy your new efficient server bro

>>105715890
To the surprise of literally no one with a fucking brain. Any barely yester-year mini PC from the big boys, pawned off by e-cyclers, absolutely stomps these N100 chew toys any day of the week.

>N100 chang box
- bottom tier ICs for everything
- fire hazard PSUs that are 'just enough'
- microscopic die area that is literally impossible to cool efficiently/quietly
- not actually that well-priced
- most listings force you to buy garbage storage and RAM that you'll have to replace anyway

>yester-year mini PC
- average to good ICs
- overbuilt, efficient power design and PSUs
- larger easier to cool dies and often socketed
- easy to find insanely cheap on eBay and even cheaper on classifieds
- comes with respectable storage and RAM that was often barely used as many are ex-corporate units
- handful of SKUs have PCIe slots

what's the point of those overpriced 2 bay consumer "nas" systems
what are you doing with those? 2 20gb sata mirror drives that will completely fail while resilvering?

>>105715876
>install md
Alright
>use zfs
Just like that? on a desktop?
>??? copy them?
I don't have any SATA ports left for that on my Mainboard.

Can I just use an HBA (got an LSI 9300 sitting around somewhere)?
>connect the SSDs to HBA
>Establish a RAID
>copy the data
>remove the old drives
>remove HBA, put new drives where old drives used to be
Would be the plan. Or do I have to keep using the HBA for some odd reason?

>>105716303
>resilvering
no normie does any resilvering ever. they just format as ntfs and store shit on them as mapped network drives D: and E:

the only safe & portable way to mirror 2 drives is to manually copy A into B every so often
>RAID !
breaks
>disk mirroring !
breaks
>unraid !
breaks
>software raid !
breaks

>>105716728
you're a fucking retard and nobody said raid is a back up

Are there any mini x86 mini PCs that can boot off a flash drive and fit entirely in a 5.25" bay, and run off SATA power?

How necessary are raids? I plan to keep the data backed up regularly and really I'm going to use the server.

>>105717523
RAID is about availability, not backup or data integrity (though there are plenty of low IQs who try to pretend it is). It's so you don't have to take down your server and restore it from backup whenever a drive goes tits up. This is why it's so popular in enterprise, where they need to run 24/7.

In a /g/-style "homelab" situation however, the question becomes this: how bad is your cluster B personality disorder(s) going to flare up if you can't access your terabytes of pirated hentai for a few hours? The answer to that is how much you need RAID.

>>105717523
raid isn't a backup, its just lets you have a massive volume that can have a drive or two fail.

the whole thing can go up in smoke and you loose it all.

>>105717678
>>105717724
I'm aware it's not a backup solution, as per the OP, which is why I was asking. Though now I realize I butchered whatever my original post was suppose to be. Don't drink and post, kids. Anyway I don't really plan to have it turned on 24/7, even if that would be a little more convenient, and that seems like it's major usecase.
I have a spare PC, but I can only put in a 2.5" drive and a 3.5" drive. So I'd only be able to have one drive in there. I want it as my "extra" storage space.

Anyone waiting for Amazon Day to buy up some drives? Assuming any go on sale.

>>105717877
https://diskprices.com/

>>105680195 (OP)
Any recommended subsonic+ampache clients?
I ideally want something that can also cache the music locally on my phone from my nextcloud server, an experience similar to that of youtube music and similar software

>>105718595
Also what is the ideal file format for these things?
Audio quality should be good, i don't care for lossless because I don't want to download terabytes of music on my phone while I'm on a trip.

I have a server that I only use to remotely access files over sftp and occasionally run a few scripts on. It recently failed and I'm waiting for hardware to build another.
Is it worth to switch to proxmox autism? Everyone seem to be doing it.

>>105719282
What would you gain by using a hypervisor / what would you lose by not using bare metal?

>>105719341
idk I just want to fuck around

>>105719726
Then why do you need to ask us?

>>105719742
I guess I'm doing it then

>>105719749
If the worst comes to the worst and you don't like it you can always just go back to what you had before.

>>105719749
no dont do it

>>105715456
onboard raid is deprecated, do not ever use it. Ive lost my data twice to it, never again.
>filesystem
pick your poison between
windows sucking at ext4
linux sucking at ntfs
exfat working good on both but is a shit filesystem.
ntfs works alright mostly, but make sure to disable fast startup and hibernation on windows if youre dual booting, because that locks the filesystem
>powercfg /h off

r8 my 'homelab'

>NAS
old laptop
disks attached via plentiful USB ports
8 watts idle
>torrent machine
another old laptop
uses 6 watts on idle
but in actual use, 8-12 watts
>networking stuff
none, im still using my ISP all in one box, both laptops are plugged into that via ethernet. for now, it just works and i don't need more.

based or cringe?

>>105720287
Based

>>105715456
ZFS is probably the most portable RAID FS. Bit of a learning curve but many nice features. Been running on my NAS for like 7 years through two disk swaps

>>105717289
answering with my limited findings as im interested myself:
- some of the smaller thinkcentres and futros might fit
- sata apparently can deliver 10A 12V so it would probably mostly depend on what the psu of the host can deliver

but i might be completely wrong

what's the recommended way of setting up a VPN for torrenting on Proxmox? LCV or VM? Gluetun?
How do I best route the traffic from a qbit LXC to the VPN?

>>105720482
learning about zfs is worth every second
i wouldn't even call it learning, its achieving enlightenment

>>105717289
dell wyse 3040

>>105720741
make a VM with debain 12 or whatever. Throw together a stack for your media server using docker.
gluetun
qBittorrent
plex or jellyfin
sonarr
Radarr
Prowlarr
Jellyseerr

>>105720851
is there any benefit to throwing all software into one VM instead of separate LXCs? other than being much simpler to set up of course.

>>105720741
How to get VPN working in a container?
And work like a socks/http proxy?

>>105720735
you're completely wrong.

sata power is rated for 1.5A per pin, 3 12v pins, 4.5 amp total.
also have to be mindful of shit cables that you absolutely dont want to use to the full rated amperage.

the smallest usff thinkcenters are ~180mm square. 5.25" bay is 140mm wide.

>>105720776
that'll fit, yeah
alternatively any of the chinese minipcs with width =<140mm that takes 12v in of a low enough amperage could be made to work
needless to say you'll need to make your own power cable for them

>>105705643
Allow it through the OS firewall, setup a static IP and port forwarding, make an account, then login to plex on another device while you're out and about.

>>105720888
I don't believe in hypervisor philosophy.
I do believe in containers, mainly podman.
My err stack and jellyfin is all on a pod and manged as one, the other pod is network related VPN/Pi-Hole/CF connector.
All running from 1L mini PC

>>105720963
width 140mm, height 41mm. so odroid h2+ won't fit

>>105720971
i was asking about factual benefits, not your personal believes...

>>105720998
less overhead, faster IO
Bare metal > LXC > VMs

>>105721035
ok, thank you. the thing is that i need some VMs for other stuff on this server anyway. so bare metal is out of the question. it's either separate LXCs or a single VM with the entire stack.
my current approach would install every piece of the *arr stack in its own LXC, since it's easier maintenance and have a VM with either wireguard or Gluetun inside docker (sounds kinda retarded to have a container inside a VM). then route the network traffic for all torrent traffic through that VM.
is that at least a decent approach? anything to improve? apologies but i am new to self hosting.

>>105720287
>>NAS
>old laptop
>disks attached via plentiful USB ports
>8 watts idle
This works until the USB port or sata adapter bugs out and the system writes into a black hole.
t.had similar system that I shelved after it destroyed my filesystem

>>105717289
>>105720735
There's that radxa n100 sbc with the rpi form factor

>>105721081
Anon, in all honesty nothing is right.
You should do what works for you and your specific situation.
For me my home server is 1L minipc, that run arch and is running RAID5 on 4x2TB 2.5" drives.
and it's running smoothly for the last 3 years or so.
The media stack for me is running on containers, while sunshine is running on bare metal.
Which works great for me, while many would look down on my choices, and would tell me to install hypervisor like proxmox and set each in a VM.
The choice is yours.
>>105721130
use better adapters.
>>105720287
Better than landfill

>>105721142
I didn't even use an adapter lol I used the esata port that's plugged straight into the chipset. The port failed mechanically despite being overbuilt to fuck.

>>105699323
use lazydocker

>>105721035
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't LXC bare-metal environments that are kept separate via namespaces?

>>105720963
thinkcentre nano is WxHxD 179x22x88
the dimensions of half-height 5.25" bays allow 146.1x41.3x203.2
it would fit vertically

futro s740 is specified as 147mm wide, it might just fit

so it's 54W you can get, sufficient when most thin clients idle at 4W and don't exceed 20W

Any idea where can I find iLO5 Advanced license keys?

>>105721151
Ah.
Well shame really, I thought you had some sort of adapter.
How did it fail?
>old HP elitebook 2570p at my parents house serving as NAS with HDD connected to esata

>>105699323
podman with portainer

>>105721245
Still fall under conatianers.
You can use LXC or docker/podman, from my testing LXC's offer very little improvement over "regular" containers.

>>105721668
idk one day I checked logs and there were IO errors, I've seen the same error before from bad cables. Shut it down to swap the cable, that's when the corruption happened. Even with the new cable I'm still getting IO errors so it must be the port.

Whenever I upgrade my main Windows PC I always do a fresh install but I'm upgrading my server this weekend and I want to ask, should I install it all from scratch?
From what I know the Linux kernel should have all the drivers so it's kind of system-agnostic, right?
This will also give me an opportunity to test my backup solution (I'll burn my system backup on the new NVME boot drive).

>>105722639
generally, there is no need to do a fresh install for GNU/Linux operating systems.

>>105722668
I hope my file drives all get recognised correctly, I'm moving from a mini PC with USB enclosures to an actual motherboard and SATA connections.

>>105722639
>should I install it all from scratch?
yes

>>105722639
>I upgrade my main Windows PC I always do a fresh install
Is this windows meme?

might be a dumb question:
what's the best way to share a ZFS drive with several LXCs (*arr stack) and VMs (torrent client)? do you create a NFS and mount that or do you mount the drive directly?

>>105723117
Yes because in 2025 Windows has 'factory reset' button just like a phone, no need to manually reinstall

>>105723279
>he keeps all the windows bloat that makes this possible on his drive

My 300GB+ porn collection is becoming unmanageable. Everything is sorted into autistic little folders. I even set up symlinks just so I can browse by tags.
How do you manage your media?

>>105723258
I have multiple shares on my ZFS pool. Media, webserv, vault, others for family backup. You mount each share - say I have /Tank/media, I mount the share to my fileserv LXC in the config file (access through PVE host shell) as pct set VM/LXC ID -mpX Tank/media,mnt/media some shit like that, restart the container.

For unprivileged containers you have to map all your users in the LXC config to be +1000 or whatever so when other LXC write to the share they have access and/or it's not nobody:nobody. I use cockpit as my file server. All my shares can be accessed on the network and in-between containers. Like seedbox, and Jellyfin. I can work on websites from a PC using the webserv share. Shit can be goofy when your understanding a lot of the Linux permissions.

>>105723307
>all the windows bloat
idk each one of my windows server installs is under 9GB, if yours are fuckhuge then skill issue i guess

>>105723520
>windows server

>>105723520
>wincucks seriously think 9GB isn't big for a server OS

>>105723520
My base Debian 12 VM setup is ~2.1GB and that's still huge compared to something like Alpine which I'm sure fits into 128MB.

>>105723455
https://github.com/reasv/panoptikon, lanraragi, szuruboorus and jellyfin depending on what media we're talking about (image sets, videos, hentai and manga etc).

>>105723771
As employed individuals we can afford 9GB of extra storage in 2025. I hope soon you will aquire the necessary financial resources for this too.

>>105721130
>>105721142
>use better adapters.
>>105721151
>>105721668
>>105721800
Jumpluff here. Actually had something similar happen once. Came home and noticed NAS and all the drives working hard despite no serving demand on them (benefit of USB and cases with big light indicators, can see very clearly at a glance if in use or not). Checked what was going on and one drive had been written off and the array was rearranging itself for max short term survival without it. The drive was relatively new, and SMART showed no problems, so what was happening? Bad cable. I bought a bunch of good quality Ugreen cables. Maybe this was a bad one, or maybe the physical connection got loose. I need to retest that cable at some point, haven't gotten round to it. Anyway, replaced the cable and everything back to normal since.

How well is Ubuntu Server for VM stuff? I assume it's not different than Debian seeing as it's based off Debian.
I wanted to use Debian but I can't get it to work on the PC I'm trying to use. Though it feels like I'd have to just install a DE anyway so not sure if I should even bother with server edition.

>>105723817
All of them, even text

I have decided that proxmox might be overkill, I'll probably just go for OMV instead, seems more suitable for home use

>>105724596
based.

every time i decide to use docker, i need to vomit. wtf is wrong with this piece of shit and its permissions and user handling?

its literally just normal unix permissions you retard

How to get Pi-Hole working with podman?

>>105724120
>I wanted to use Debian but I can't get it to work on the PC I'm trying to use
wtf
what happens?

>>105724725
>>105724754
holy fucking nigger shit it was a dogshit commit to the qbittorrent repo master that fucked everything up. i used the previous version image and now the container properly writes its config files.
do these monkeys not test their own shit? FUCK YOU "glassez" YOU FUCKING NIGGER FOR YOUR DOGSHIT COMMIT.
i just wasted 2h of my life on those retards.

>>105725038
Stop updating shit.

>>105725062
i was doing a fresh install. there was no way to prevent this. i'm not an updater.

also some fag make a new thread

>>105725027
I can install it but when trying to boot up the BIOS yells about something isn't working.
It's a Dell business tower and apparently they need special binary blogs for firmware or whatever to run an OS in which apparently every other distro has because to test my sanity I installed a few others just to check. Now supposedly with Debian 12 they're already suppose to have said binaries installed by default, but apparently that is not the case. I'm not entirely sure how to make sure they do get installed. Maybe I'll see if I can get 11 to install and then just upgrade it to see what happens.

>>105725038
stable releases exist

>>105725112
there is a new thread

>>105725211
link it then
>>105724538
>>105724538
>>105724538

>>105725211
is it stable?

>>105725327
Can confirm, thread is stable >>105725386

>>105725327
wouldn't know. i'm not updating threads.