uhhhh wayland-sisters????

>>105683391 (OP)
lol not again

>open source project
>random retarded drama happens
>fork occurs
>now the effort is further diluted
>"uhm yeah this is our bigger strength, actually :)"
every single time

Reminder that this retard doesn't know how to write a proper ebuild so xlibre won't work on gentoo

>>105683473
he's not the one who wrote the ebuild
https://github.com/X11Libre/ports-gentoo/commits/master/
none of the commits except for the first one (repo init) are made by him

>>105683439
In this case effort was not divided, since the people controlling Xorg have banned further development and declared the project dead.

>>105683439
two heads are better than one is a collectivist motto individualists go their own way

>>105683552
Nah this is a mess.

>>105683560
this is what peak individualism looks like

>>105683571
Yeah but it's a mess when it comes to Desktop operating systems.

>>105683581
since when is linux a desktop operating system what year do you think it is

>>105683439
wayland is that. it creates incompatibility. so we end up with 10000000x compositors as different as OSes or gnome+kde and nothing else.

>>105683473
>>105683508
huh why does an ebuild need to be upstream anyway?

>>105683473
I am one of the 2 guys who write the gentoo ebuilds.
What doesn't work for you?

Wayland is gay, happy pride month !

>>105683439
Wrong, it was all planned.

>>105683672
It doesn't automatically replace x11 with 0 configuration. Kill yourself.

>>105683711
After you, and it does, actually.
You only need to add some use flags to package.use, something you should be used to by now if you are using gentoo.

now all we need is a Rust rewrite for the full humiliation ritual experience

>>105683473
How about you complain about that to Gentoo devs? This time everyone can contribute after all.

>>105683391 (OP)
Use case for feet fetishists?

>A proud german man starts working on it alone after it was abandoned, and suddenly everyone and their dog is against it!

really makes you think

>>105683672
Keep up the good work

i've used linux for years but don't know the difference between wayland and gnome and x server or whatever those things are
why do you guys need GUIs on your servers?

>>105683723
nobody here uses gentoo actually, it's just a meme
sometimes it feels like nobody here uses a computer, too

>>105683775
gentoo is actually quite usable these days, not nearly as much of a meme.
shit compiles so fast on modern pcs with decently high corecounts that its actually viable, was definitely a meme pre-2008-2012 though, would take days to compile everything if you wanted a full desktop experience.

>>105683820
You don't even need to compile if you don't want to, they provide a first party binary host with x86-64-v3 packages now. I use it for Webkit-GTK and QtWebEngine.

>>105683542
why are the so malicious about it?

>>105683873
Because they are paid by microsoft to keep the linux desktop shit and unusable. It's no coincidence that both the GNOME founder and Pottering now work for MS

>>105683856
I feel that the recompiled packages are a heresy that will not be forgiven by true gentoomen

hdr where

>>105684035
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/140

its a question of when

>>105683391 (OP)
TRHD + TKD

>>105683439
>this is our bigger strength, actually :)"
>every single time
It is when Red Hat troons get shunned

>>105684035
>loonix
>hdr
LOL

>>105683745
Did he deliver results?

>>105684188
seems like he was trying to clean up the code base and it ended up breaking stuff , which he then fixed as soon as he became aware of it, too early to say if this is a futile effort or not, since the freetards banned him before anything significant was changed. trying to untangle a 35 year old spaghetti festival without breaking anything is a difficult task.

>>105683593
>gnome+kde and nothing else.
there's sway and river for TWMs, qtile is moving too, alongside xfce.
it will take a long time to have a diverse amount of software like in X, but you have to understand, X is around since the 80s and its a good thing we're moving from that mess.

>>105683391 (OP)
>Module ABIs have changed - drivers MUST be recompiled against this Xserver version, otherwise the Xserver can crash or fail to start up correctly.
>Proprietary Nvidia drivers might break [...] But you can make it work by adding Option "IgnoreABI" "1" line to ServerFlags section in Xorg config.
Was this really necessary?

>>105684346
except there's a thing called portals and extensions. KDE although more friendly than GNOME is not fully compatible with sway. So wlroots is already the bastard child (even though they started turning wayland MINIMALLY acceptable). The others are complete meme.
> mess
wayland is a mess in design and implementation. 16 years old in comparison to 21 xorg.
> moving from
I would be happy to move from it. But I'm not one to be happy of replacing shit with feces.

millions of seething wayland trannies are committing suicide!! this is not a joke, its literal genocide!!! stop developing X11 RIGHT FUCKING NOW CHUD.

>>105684369
what, why'd anyone want to run sway with kde? kde has already its display, works flawless and is better than gnome yes.
regardimg the rest, things will get better, its only 16 years old as you said, X is 40+ and its own devs abandoned ship, it should be really telling.

>>105684222
So, in summary - he did absolutely nothing and expected to get clout for it.
It's not like this works.

>>105684433
xlibre is working fine on my machine

>>105684436
so is x11 that I compiled last year

>>105684433
*how

>>105684347
the ABI changes with every new major version of xorg

>>105683439
As someone who tried to get involved with xorg back when Wayland was first pushed into production, I totally understand why Wayland exists and why they are killing Xorg.
xLibre is actually good for Wayland because this allows developers to just stop wasting paid manpower on Xorg and let it die in the natural way.
The reason why Red Hat refuses to allow pull requests with new features is that Xorg is really difficult to maintain. The codebase is garbage; for years, Xorg was being handled in a way that allowed companies to just put their code the way they wanted inside, and as long as it compiled, the world was good.
It got to a point where any update results in hundreds of hours of bug catching. Hours that could be better used to improve the performance of the fake Xorg under Wayland for outdated software. And don't let me start on the security issues. The idea that any program can act like a keylogger and steal data from another program is Windows-tier of niggerness. This alone should be enough to ban xorg in companies.

>>105684058
>transition to in sort a X11.1 protocol
Sooo, they will rewrite the protocol, but instead of doing it the right way and fixing security issues like Wayland did, they will just rewrite it to add support to a feature that Wayland already offers?

>>105684433
no he did actually fix shit as well, but alot of his merge requests were part of a larger clean up that wasn't finished https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/2020
>We are not going forward with Enrico's plan to "clean up the wrapping jungle" and are restoring the wrapping in the one area he'd removed it.

he did also try to merger Xnamespaces, but that never got into the xorg master.

>>105684521
Yes, because as we all know, X11 systems get compromised by such keyloggers all the time.
Do you shills hear yourselves?
If am attacker gets control of a program with the same privileges as my user, I am already fucked, regardless of whether or not it can also read my keyboard.

>>105684521
>>105684534
Could you faggots return to whatever cesspit you came from?
No one falls for the "I'm a reasonable middle-of-the-road goy"

>>105684556
>If am attacker gets control of a program with the same privileges as my user, I am already fucked
no, MAC systems such as apparmor and others could help you. but if program needs X access then you're fucked

ah yes a man with schizophrenia who couldn't code his way out of a paper bag is going to save autistic people from wayland

>>105684097
>TRHD + TKD
+ TZD (sorry, commies)

>>105684521
>for years, Xorg was being handled in a way that allowed companies to just put their code the way they wanted inside
no wonder its a mess but how was this even allowed?

>>105684534
no they are adding extensions, this is the thing people don't understand about X , is that its actually very extendable. and has been extended many times in the past, nvidia proposed the deepcolor extension like 8 years ago. nothing they are going to do requires a protocl change.

>>105684602
Corpos tend to have a strong "my way or the highway" toddler-brained approach to FOSS. Sometimes you just have to tolerate it to get shit working, especially when hardware support is related.

>>105684426
> sway on kde
are you dumb? It's about the apps, when ported to kde or wlroots they aren't ensured to work in each other, much less gnome, MUCH LESS anyone else.
> things will get better
they won't. freedesktop is completely aggressive toward an unification. the specs aren't converging but diverging. MINIMUM capabilities aren't take for guaranteed SIXTEEN YEARS later. 4 years younger than xorg (that were already more capable than wayland in xfree86).

is there anything actually new about this fork besides, well y'know, fixes (which are great btw for any retarded x purist reading this)?

>>105684637
xnamespace in place of xsecurity. xcb is the focus now.

>>105684521
I have déjà vu. Maybe they should pay you more to be less repetitive?

>>105684647
>xnamespace in place of xsecurity. xcb is the focus now.
how it works? is it truly end of lack of isolation between X programs on same user?

>>105684570
>implying
?

>>105684521
fucking shill. Imagine

Is someone planning on forking these gnome components once gnome 49 reaches eol or will gnome be xlibre incompatible past that?

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/-/issues/60

gnome-shell
mutter
gdm
gnome-session
gnome-control-center

>>105684521
keyloging wayland is TRIVIAL though. The surface attack is giant. The chosen tool for communication is as fragile as possible, known for various CVEs of privilege escalation

>>105684797
The amount of people that care about gnome x11 is close to none likely

>>105683924
They really are building a team of high-powered retards to keep linux down.

>>105684631
i dont know man, shit just werks here and i understand its not perfection but using x11 some months ago made me realize how refressing and light wayland really is, so im optimistic of things getting better, xway can address the few incompatibilities we run along the way.

>>105684852
I think its pretty clear what will happen, valve will support KDE, and as SteamOS grows, it will /has laid the foundation for standardization, gnome/redhat unironically is holding everybody back, because they refuse to implement things the same way and nack way too much slowing the progression of wayland.

>>105685013
gnome and kde are both not much friendly toward a general unification. the one who tried and start it all was wlroots. the others are more about themselves than a common ground. kde is just more pragmatic and gnome went full schizo.
For me looks just like the firefox/chromium story, two sides of the same coin, one does "opposition" while the other gains absolute monopoly.

>>105684852
For me was the total opposite. I tried sway my cursor got fucked and inverter. Tried hyprland it crashed constantly. Tried velox it was weird.
While xorg just works. It seems xlibre will also address the few "advantages" I see people talking about "wayaland" (there's no wayland, you don't use weston or the pure protocols).

>>105684852
>how refressing and light wayland really is
It's called "social pressure" fren, it's not real.

>>105685076
Kde at least implements things if people want them, gnome just blocks shit for no good reason. wlroots is a laudable project, but they too suffer from similar problems to gnome internally and deprioritize / nack things that users want for idealism over functionality( though they are more amenable than gnome).

Xlibre could have a future, there is a discussion on their github page about supporting wayland protocols, which could very well be a way forward, though I think its chance of becoming standard, is low, since its way too late, if it had happened 10 years ago, it would have been much more appealing.

>>105684534
"security issues". I can guarantee you 100% that your ~/.bashrc/~/.zhsrc is writable. In that case you using wayland is no more secure than you running x11

>>105685201
Keep in mind waylandfags that fear monger about security all run:
>systemd as root in PID1
>logind as root
>dbus
>polkit
and much much more.

>>105685201
you can't explain this shit to them
it's not just a gayland thing, every infosec schizo thinks like this. the concept or a weakest link is meaningless to them.

>>105684570
HEHEHE

>>105684188
6 gorillion commits so far

are they going to add hdr? i need it for my job which is why i use wayland

>>105685504

see
>>105684058

>>105685489
But what do they do?
Like what do I get from them as a user?

>>105685504
I'm surprised your job isn't providing you with a private fork of Xorg with HDR support. We've had it since 2019.

>>105685545
bug.
It's mostly people copy and pasting code that already exists in an LLM and asking it to "improve".

>X LIBRE
It's a good FOSS software name. Has the original linux spirit.
>wayland
not really.

>>105684521
>. And don't let me start on the security issues. The idea that any program can act like a keylogger and steal data from another program is Windows-tier of niggerness.
fucking *BASED*

noob nocoders cope seethe and dilate, poop all around while crawling on ground frothing at the mouth

>>105683391 (OP)
average PR in the project...

>>105685201
>I can guarantee you 100% that your ~/.bashrc/~/.zhsrc is writable.
that is stopped (for programs running on same user) by apparmor and alike, you dumb noob

>>105685236
>>105685231
you are stupid fags. you probably are the kind of people who think program running as root has always unlimited power (hint: there are security layers that can be added. but so far X ruined it for the desktop part)

>>105684797
Someone should fork them regardless of X11 just to make a better alternative to GNOME that isn't stuck in pre-Wayland days like pic related.

>>105685647
>wants to merge
>wants
anyway, it's just jokes here and there. real work is in other PRs. faggot.

I really like this project since I'm getting sick of hyprland, but it's doomed. Freedesktop is not really the main problem now. Gnome and KDE will drop support for X11 sessions to try to coerce people onto wayland, which is going to extend to GTK and (probably) QT. Enrico doesn't get that this isn't about the code, it's about politics.

X11 is over chuds.

>>105685671
Like this one?
>let's drop wayland support isnide xorg because... IDK, I don't really use linux hehehe...
It got to a point where you can run Xorg programs inside Wayland, but you can't run Wayland programs inside Xorg?
Thankfully nothing built in the last 10 years was not explicitly written for Wayland...

>>105685682
You can run a wayland compositor in xorg.

>>105685664
>you are stupid fags.
Says right on polkit's wikipedia page that massive exploit was there since 2009 that was only patched a couple of years ago. Hence why I didn't ever allow it on my systems. Since I'm not a retard and can into sudo/doas.
>logind
massive security hole waiting to happen not needed by 99% of users because they don't need multi-seat in the first place
>systemd
Don't need to go over again why this massive security hole shouldn't be running as PID1
>dbus
lol

It's almost like we know more about how UNIX works than you do.

Enrico isnt a white name

He's a medshit swarth or some shit, not german.

>>105685706
>>dbus
NTA you need to explain this one NOW

>>105685724
https://security.snyk.io/package/linux/debian%3A10/dbus

Shitty IPC. Shitty security. Easily exploited by anyone with a half a brain. Not required to use anything.

>>105685664
>that is stopped (for programs running on same user) by apparmor and alike, you dumb noob
x11 has also had mandatory access control like apparmor for over 20 years. Xlibre also has xnamespace that prevents random x11 applications from listening to global keyboard input.
99% of wayland users (including yourself) dont use apparmor.

what does he mean by 25.0?
It's the 6th month of 2025, it should be 25.6.
I don't give a fuck if you forked it this month and thing .0 sounds cool.

Make it make sense.

>>105685682
The xorg server and xwayland are already separated in xorg server:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/tree/xwayland-24.1/hw?ref_type=heads
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/tree/xorg-server-21.1.18/hw?ref_type=tags
you dumb gorilla nigger

>>105685805
>newbies so brain damaged by modern "just shit out release every month" versioning that they no longer understand the concept of version numbers
I hate big tech so much

>>105685713
Asian Soviet rapebaby cope.

What does Xorg even need at this point? It's already been serviced for decades to the point where you can't improve it much.

>>105685833
Mostly some improvements to multi-monitor and handling HDR would be nice. Basically, all the stuff the industry shit out since 2012 that really isn't an improvement on what we had before. It would already support all of this stuff (in fact would have gotten support before wayland if you're talking about stuff like HDR) but FreeDesktop camped the repo and refused to accept merge requests.

There are multiple private forks of X11 being maintained by companies because FreeDesktop refused to work with anyone. It's nice that we'll all finally either have a chance to merge our changes back to this fork or no longer have the burden of maintaining our own thanks to this fork.

> dbus
great, now we can not only keylog but also become root.

>>105685795
I don't use gayland.
I used far more advanced systems that apparmor, compared to them apparmor is just a toy. You are still a fag btw.

>>105685706
>polkit's
>>logind
>>systemd
>>dbus
what are you talking about you stupid gay fag, the topic is X and programs.
X is insecure.
Otherwise, userspace programs can be restricted (from accessing other resources of same user).
If the programs use other shit that is insecure and hard to contain, then yeah that needs to be fixed too (a separate topic)

It's funny that there's a complete news blackout on this release except for moronix. Nothing on HN and reddit is basedfacing over Kubuntu dropping X11 sessions.

>>105685795
>x11 has also had mandatory access control like apparmor for over 20 years.
ok gaylord, so user runs program A and B, how to make sure that program A can not:
- read keypresses and mouse movements that happen in window of program B
- can't draw random shit on screen outside of own main window e.g. pretending to be part of program B

>>105685936
not him but those programs aren't seperate from wayland. wayland compositors need polkit, elogind/systemd-logind and dbus to function. Those are all optional dependencies on an Xorg WM setup.

>>105685936
> it's "secure"
> proceeds to use dbus for communication
KEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEEKEKKEKEK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKE

>>105685677
>to try to coerce people onto wayland
seems more like most devs just wanted to move away from x really, thats why it took traction.
>>105685795
i use selinux :)

>>105685936
>X is insecure
Werks on my machine

>>105685968
>i use selinux :)
>I use NSALinux :)

>>105685815
No. It's normalfags btw or normalfaggots.
Anyway, no. If you're going to do a major version number, you do it when it's required. If it's a new project, truly, distinguished from the last then you do not start at 25.
If you're starting from 25 in the 2025th year of our lord you'd best at least make it make sense.

Suspend yourself from a tree by the neck.

>>105685978
>No. It's normalfags btw or normalfaggots.
Stop attempting so desperately to fit in faggot.
>All this autism about version numbers
He picked a higher number than the last Xorg release. Which is 25 for 2025. It's the first stable release so it's X.0. When he does the next release it'll be X.1 or X.0.1. When the code moves along enough to be another major release it'll probably be 26.x.x.

This is how version numbers work. Sorry you're too retarded to understand this without it being explained to you.
>He should have used 1.x.x
Yes and cause issues with everything in use snooping for version numbers lower than 7.x.x. Great plan.

>>105685968
> want to move away from shit
> move to feces
linux users can't stop losing, it's hilarious

>>105685954
>> proceeds to use dbus for communication
I didnt say Gayland is secure overall, but it is doing something about that one issue. If XLibre is doing that too, then good

>>105685990
>He picked a higher number than the last Xorg release.
Which is gay and stupid.
He shouldn't have done that. He may as well have picked 25.6 if he's going to start from there.

He's essentially coming at this project with a dead name. I thought he was supposed to be escaping that type of person? Is he trying to escape it or living in their shadow?
Should have been 1.0 or 25.6. No in-betweens.
By next year, if he's still on it, the naming scheme will look even more stupid.

>Yes and cause issues with everything in use snooping for version numbers lower than 7.x.x. Great plan.
Skill issue.
This project is dead already.

>>105686044
How is it possible for one person to be this retarded?

>>105686055
I simply do not accept his naming schema. It reeks of a festering wound.
Had this been released in 2024 or 2026 then the only aspect we could discuss is how it's a dead name project. However since it is currently 2025, it smells a bit like rotting flesh and fecal matter.

1.0 or 25.6
The only two options available. 25.0 is a cop out.

>>105686067
people like you are the reason this project exists.

>>105686002
> it's doing something about that one issue
> be wayland
> builds a house without doors and windows
> devs notices the need of doors and windows
> proceeds to hammer holes and name them doors and windows
if your action is null, might as well not take it. dbus increases exposure. keylogging remains trivial. the overall security DECREASED (increased attack surface, insecure IPC, more weak links). All the effort to replace shit with feces... boycotting non-demented attempts (like MIR which at least tried). Just what linux users deserves, a kiosk display server that is humiliated by OSes from nineties (beos).

>>105686069
autism? i agree

>>105686069
People like you are why this project won't exist soon.

>>105686071
works on my machinemachine safe and effective negro

>>105685968
incorrect , the xorg developers wanted to move away from X , anybody writing a real application had no problem using X

which is why it took so long to get applications to support wayland, its not that bad now, but early on wayland was really fucking bad, things would run on 1 compositor but not another.

>>105686099
> safe
if by "safe" you mean "unsafe", sure.
> works
yeah, that's all that you retards deserves. the absolute bare minimum and nothing else. just shit upon feces, that at least "works"

>>105685972
whats your thoughts on devuan

>>105686105
>incorrect , the xorg developers wanted to move away from X
FreeDesktop were never the "Xorg developers".

>>105686105
>incorrect , the xorg developers wanted to move away from X
>want to move away
>use old name
>durr look at my version number
Sending more mixed messages than a slutty drunk girl.

>>105686105
it continues to be horrible. there's no "wayland" to port. you port to kde, appears gnome users crying that they are using wayland and it fails in weird ways (if it works at all). sometimes you port to kde and kde users complain, because for whatever reason they are using a different portal.
wayland is hell for devs to port. that's why the tendency is people simply stop porting to linux or port just to kde/gnome (where Linux becomes gnome os. all the other wms will obey or die).
SDL for instance hides this under a shitbag of heuristics to try and guess what extensions exists, portal, etc. It's not reliable, but who needs reliability, right? QT will tend to focus on KDE, GTK on gnome. Portability is not take for granted anymore.

>>105686108
I said safe and effective negro.

>>105686158
sure. but definitions matters, just because you are using the token "safe" doesn't mean it's the meaning "safe".
"unsafe and ineffective"
here a more universal translation for you, no need to thank me.

>>105686132
>>105686143
binary is still linked as X in many distributions so i dont see the problem.

xorg developers develop X and other parts of the project, freedesktop is irrelevant for this discussion even if there is overlap with freedesktop.

>>105683672
There's an ebuild in the git tree? Cheers man I was wondering why there were no ebuilds in any overlays on GPO for xlibre, I will try it out tomorrow then

>>105685682
Look up 12to11, my friend. You will be pleasantly surprised at how it somehow just werks.

>>105685682
Xwayland is for running x11 apps on wayland, it serves no purpose on an x11 desktop . its even on its own branch and is packaged separately. the build option is a relic from like 8 years ago

There are several wayland compositors that can run nested on x11, so you can still run wayland applications, moreover the xlibre github , has a discussion on whether they will add wayland support to the xserver, and it seems they will do so at some point.

>>105684521
>we don't want to waste time fixing regressions in X11 updates
>instead we will waste time fixing issues in emulation of X11 quirks in XWayland in additions to Wayland limitation
Nothing stopped them from making a fork of X11 with heavy refactor and no backward compat. Instead they wanted to put
>significantly contributed to development of a graphical server (Wayland)
in their CV because
>refactored xorg
does not sound as nice. Or they wanted to be in a "position of power" in wayland "committee".

>>105684521
See I totally get redhat's position, but the problem is that its an opensource project, and enrico was willing to untangle the rats nest even if it took forever, seeing how unlikely it is we will ever see a major xorg release again, he was only doing work on the master, and his commits were initially accepted, I see no good reason for the insanely hostile reaction the people on the freedesktop/xorg project had to him. The original readme in his fork is unprofessional for sure , but I see no reason they had to ban him entirely , it basically means that any fixes introduced by Xlibre in the future wont be picked up by xorg, which is incredibly dumb from redhat's perspective, literally means they have to do more work, when some random german autist would've done it for free.

>>105687164
>The original readme in his fork is unprofessional for sure
How is
>anyone is welcomed to contribute
unprofessional?

Compare that to pic related.

>>105687260
you have to keep in mind that it was on the freedesktop gitlab, not his personal blog, he calls out toxic elements and moles within the project inhibiting work, thats not really something you should do, especially if those people control the infrastructure your being hosted on

>>105687525
Wait, but how are those supposed "fascists and nazis" (people I don't like who are likely patriots, not fascists) have any negative influence on the work? What, they don't want to implement LGBT propaganda?

>>105687525
the commie-rant about "muh evil nazis and fascists" is on the gnome.org website, if Wiegelt wanted these faggots to sperg out and show theirselves he did a good job

https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/

>>105687783
enirco , a proud german man, called out the redhat / freedesktop people in the readme on his fork(though in the original he didn't do so by name) , who control the project and prevented him from working on the Xorg xserver, and it caused him to be banned,

in this context the gay furry communists are the ones blocking the work of a Proud German Man(presumed fascist) from working on the xserver

>>105687260
> gay vs nazi
KEKEKKEEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKKEK
> wayland
It's simple, it's TECHNICALLY shit. But apparently for linux users that is irrelevant. If it's kiosk, with a frail model for security, inherently sacrificing portability. That much is a detail, the reasoning is seeing who is gay and who is the nazi.

>>105683439
>random retarded drama happens
if by that you mean "the people who maintain Xorg started a replacement ages ago and have for some years now left Xorg to rot to make their replacement look good", then sure.
there's no dilution, Xorg was abandoned some time ago, XLibre is an effort to revive it

>>105687920
dont forget the company running the entire thing literally uses a jewish hat as their logo and is widely known for the activity of subverting open source software.

>>105687965
FEDora

>>105687984
so many layers of homo-jew-fed energy in the fedora

>>105683873
Because they also develop Wayland and want everyone to adopt that instead, consequences be damned.

wake me up when it has hdr

>>105684852
>how refressing and light wayland really is
lol what does this even mean?

>>105688145
it means they think "less lines of code" performance or theyre a wayland shill

>>105684852
>be xserver
>34 years old
> huge spaghetti
> designed to run on unix workstations from the 90s with <100mhz cpus with no gpu acceleration


>gayland
>runs like garbage on anything without a gpu
>cursor lags under high gpu load
>big memory
>"its light bro!"

reevaluated your life.

>>105684426
>its own devs abandoned ship
you meant the corpo want to kill it off so they can sell you need bullshit and you fell for it, hook, line, sinker

>>105684592
>commies
>TKD
who's going to tell him?

>>105684852
>made me realize how refressing and light wayland really is
why does this read like some kind of ads template?

>>105688354
What do you mean? I use Wayland™ on my Gnome™ desktop powered by GNU+Linux™ and everything works fine. It's refreshing to have a light desktop. Where the lack of distractions and legacy applications allows me to focus on real work™. I use my Gnome™ desktop everyday to do real work™ like editing spreadsheets in LibreOffice™ and scheduling meetings in Gnome Calendar™. I use AI to generate code in VSCode™ for our companies webapp™ written in React.js™. I am front end™ developer with 5 years experience in wordpress with a degree in web design from an accredited™ online™ university™. I work remotely™ using Zoom™ and Discord™ where I attend HR™ meetings™. I'll have you know I scored highest on our company's Diversity™ and Equity™ mandatory survey. I am more qualified™ to have an opinion on what the modern™ desktop™ should be. Your use case™ is old and outdated. It's time to join the rest of us adults on™ the™ right™ side™ of™ history™ where you can no longer be distracted by things like windows decorations™ and add-ons™. Computers are for real™ work™ not tinkertranny™ bullshit™.

>>105683439
there has been no development effort on the original xorg, red hat people had the repo in strangehold

>>105688417
Stop taking the piss and leave some for the rest of us.

>>105688249
>designed to run on unix workstations from the 90s with <100mhz cpus with no gpu acceleration
Modern Xorg can barely run on Pentium 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETqwL0NddQ

>>105683439
Implying that freedesktop foundation was doing ANY effort with X
the freedesktop wants their desktop
individual people want different workflow that what they push
X is better for diverse group of people, it suits many different desktops
X is more pragmatic and that's all
I personally don't want to adopt some morons desktop, I want to do have my way of doing things. I don't want lowest common desktop for morons. Linux is about having your software. If I wanted to have forced workflow on me I would just use OS X or debloated Windows in which desktop is not actually gimped.

xlibre is gaping wound tier software
should have used a good version number

>>105687260
>>105687868
A vaxxie calling anyone else fascist is some insane doublethink shit

>>105688789
unix workstations dont use x86 generally, sparc , dec alpha or powerpc usually, sparc chips tend to run at lower clocks for the same or better performance , and it depends on the window manager you are using. hes using CDE which is actually quite heavy and came later , if he used openlook it would be more period appropriate

>>105688789
Werks fine on OpenBSD.

>>105685968
>seems more like most devs just wanted to move away from x really, thats why it took traction.
If that was the case then Red Hat and KDE wouldn't need to force devs to switch. The free market has spoken, it prefers X, and Red Hat is not happy about it.

Yeah, I'm sticking with X.

>>105688789
>Modern Xorg can barely run on Pentium 1
modern applications*, have you seen 80's X11 applications? they use things like X fonts and X drawing primitives while these days modern programs just throw pixmaps everywhere. totally fine on a modern system, but is far more expensive compared to anything meant for an 80's system, and importantly, not X's fault at all
and - running with no video card acelleration because mesa doesn't support such old cpus anymore*

>>105689871
Modern applications run just fine on old x86 shit provided you properly set-up X11 and aren't some brain damaged zoomer memeing fuck trying to farm views on your shitty youtube channel. The retard in that video used some bash script that wasn't even properly coded then complains and UwUs about the CPU getting hammered.

X11 is included in the OpenBSD base system for all platforms it supports (which is a lot, more than modern Linux) and I've used it on just about all of them. They are all tested every time a new stable release gets pushed out every 6 months. The entire system is built from source code on each and every one of them. X11 works just fine on all them provided you aren't a dumb faggot and use one of the 3 included WMs within the base system.

Of course people that use OpenBSD are typically smart enough to read the man pages and don't have to resort to downloading someone else's bash script to get a basic GUI going. In fact, they don't have to do anything at all since the installer handles it for them.

OpenBSD aside. I recently installed NetBSD with X11 on an old 286 system I have laying around and a Sega Dreamcast. Both of which worked just fine and I could run pretty much any application I expected to run.

>>105683542
>In this case effort was not divided
Not to mention, you can't even really make the case that XLibre is splitting the effort between X and Wayland, because Wayland developers are notorious for being extremely opinionated and it basically takes a gun to their heads to get them to actually merge something. Coincidentally, GNOMEtroons like to do the same thing--they give you the smug "if you don't like it, start contributing!" spiel, then are enormously obstinate and rude towards people who try to contribute.

>>105689947
now let's see wayland's performance on a pentium 133 box

>>105689995
>don't like it? make your own Xorg
>...
>YOU FUCKING FASCISTS!!!! CHUD!!!

>>105690041
It won't run. At least gnome won't. Since it requires Rust and you'd have to resort to cross compiling it from a modern AMD64 machine. But even if you did that it probably still wouldn't run at all. I don't really feel like trying. Maybe some of this other wayland shit would work but I don't want to go through the dependency hell they all drag in to power it. I'm pretty sure systemd/logind are not going to work but I could be wrong. I'm certain most of them wouldn't build natively on 32-bit arch even x86. Never mind more exotic processors.

>>105690097
>>105690041
By the way I know you were joking. I just wanted to make it clear this is why something like Rust will never be allowed into OpenBSD base system. Since it can not build itself natively on non AMD64 and some ARM platforms. Which disqualifies it from being included in the project because a basic requirement is that everything must be able to build itself on the machine without resorting to cross-compiling. You can use cross-compile to bring up a new platform initially. But once you have a compiler going you're supposed to build everything else up from source code (and re-build the compiler of course).

A basic Rust application has a hard time building itself from source on even a modern AMD64 system with 16GB of RAM. Last I checked that was just enough to do it without resorting to swapping or RAM compression. But it has been a few years since I've done it. Their support tiers are a lie. I know because I tried it on various platforms they claim have support. None of them work. They all depend on
>cross-compile
and
>just use the binary! lmao

>>105690133
>>105690097
i don't know what you're going on about rust or even systemd. i'm talking about wayland

>>105690164
>I'm talking about wayland
So you're talking about systemd and rust. Since all the major wayland implementations require those. Wayland does not exist by itself. It must pull in a lot of cancer to function.

Why can't Linux just copy what Windows does? X and Wayland are both garbage.

>>105690286
That's what wayland should have done but they fucked up irreversibly.

>>105690286
>font rendering in kernel
pls no

>>105690567
wayland was designed to be broken, its why they force vsync on everything, dont have a way to read key inputs properly, dont have a way to properly position windows, even windows from the same application, and didnt implement any way to record the screen, fuckers are even expirementing with "content protection" to shove DRM into the display stack.

>>105690600
>Noooo my monolithic system can't be monolithic!!
The display manager/compositor can be as stable as the kernel itself. A desktop OS should have native graphics support, not a hack on top of a server OS.

>>105690647
>didnt implement any way to record the screen
>expirementing with "content protection" to shove DRM into the display stack
kek absolute state

What, are you homos still pretending that GPUs are front end hardware?

>>105690719
you can tell just from using wayland that its just another Jewhat enshitification scheme

>>105684852
OP here, I also enjoy dilating.

Xlibre should've done the ultimate insult to RH and released as X12 so people who don't know any better start supporting it as a new target.

>>105690839
damn...
>over decade of wayland troons telling us that X11 is deprecated
>no-one, no even ebussy has the skills to maintain it
>but here comes based metux to bring us into bright future of X12

Looking back on the Xlibre timeline is fascinating. They managed to piss and shit themselves in every possible way.
If they never banned Enricho, Xlibre would just be an obscure personal branch of xserver on the freedesktop servers.
If they never reverted commits and closed PRs on RH X11, they'd still have a degree of plausible deniability and there'd be no justification for Xlibre.
If they never wrote politically motivated hit pieces against Xlibre, no one would no about it and their covert shilling would be more effective.
And their shilling is somehow worse than the Apple shills. Like /pol/tard Qanon tier hoping they can shit up and derail threads with pure quantity.
They made enemies of cripples by dismissing their concerns as "concern trolling" when even the EU is implementing accessibility related regulations.
Even a surface level glance of the blogs and mastodon of these developers shows an undeniable leftist ideology with a layer of antifa brainrot hostile not only to conservatives but people who just don't care.
How these idiots managed to become the sole authority on Linux desktop standards is beyond me.

>>105691648
They have power because trannies love pointless bureaucracy and worming their way into positions of power. Their retarded attempt to kill the fork would have worked a year ago to be fair

>>105683552
>>105683571
a damning indictment of individualism

>>105691648
>unapologetic socialist
>fistbump national socialists

>>105683744
they hate the people that says the truth

>>105683744
is there a list of people or types of people who can't be talked about or whose content can't be linked to?
because it seems that anon's reluctance to use his main account in such places has been justified. they're made a reputation for themselves for banning people who disagree with them, and it can be difficult to know or keep up with everything they disagree with
it's certainly not a newcomer-friendly place if they insta-ban with no warning things which surely aren't explicitly in their rules like posting a news report from a specific person

>>105684521
they didn't do shit for years. And the money goes into DEI, retarded workshops, fucking around and closing tickets without resolution and stupid stuff like that.

>>105692299
>is there a list of people or types of people who can't be talked about or whose content can't be linked to?
Anyone who doesn't respectfully suck the feetfag dick

>>105684556
this
If you install untrusted programs on your computer you are to blame. Install only from distro repositories or compile from source. Don't install proprietary slop and you are good. People used Windows for 30 years where you can do the same and somewhat linux users need that. No, I don't.

OH NO NO NO WAYLAND SISTERS...

>>105692312
i actually agree with the gist of the responses here. complaining about a missing or broken feature /by itself/ doesn't help anyone. this isn't paid software which lists such a feature and so it being missing or broken can rightfully be complained about

>>105684556
if you knew how retarded the average user is today you'd understand that they need protection from themselves

>>105692312
>>105692390
(i will say though that i used to use gnome 2 and i swear there was no issue dragging files from file roller to nautilus...)

>>105692426
well gnome 2 was actually good which is precisely why it had to be destroyed

>>105692435
it was. once gnome 3 came out i moved to xfce. now i just use openbox+tint2

>>105692390
This isn't just a toy project, the main contributors who have control about the project are either employed by gnome or companies like redhad to work for gnome. They effectively have control over every GTK program.

>>105692472
sure, and if i someone had a paid service subscription to RHEL then they can absolutely complain about missing features
i don't want to sound like i'm taking sides, but the comment at the top of that picture just isn't helpful as it was written. he can ask the same thing like as a feature request that explains why it's useful and doesn't involve ridicule and nonsensical comparisons to self-driving cars (basically just a <current year> argument)
yea i also personally agree it's embarrassing, but when else have you managed to encourage anyone to do something for you by making fun of them?

>>105692559
>when else have you managed to encourage anyone to do something for you by making fun of them?
-- outside of 4chan, anyway

>>105692390
You agree with it, because you lack a working brain.

>>105692390
>>105692559
>just accept mediocre or worse shit if you can't fix it yourself

>>105692665
i don't, by not using gnome 3+

>>105692672
I bet you still have GTK on your system

Is Xlibre (or will be) the end of wayland?
serious question

>>105692765
i have a few gtk2 programs installed, sure

>>105683391 (OP)
i joined the fedora matrix channel
everyone there was making fun of xlibre
they were mocking it
i also dropped a "lol" there to fit it

>>105692963
>i also dropped a "lol" there to fit it
cuck

>>105692963
lol based

>>105692963
Did they reply to you?

>>105692963
no but i started reacting with the thumbs up emoji everytime they mocked xlibre

>>105692999
meant for >>105692988

>>105692312
rolls on the floor laughing in superior Windows and Mac shell architecture. Linux will simply never be a desktop operating system, it's still following the 1970's mainframe philosophy.

>>105692768
Honestly? No. It will eventually fade away like Redot.
Only way this project actually can survive if is NVIDIA/VMWare/Oracle submit their binary blob to this project and frankly I don't see that happening.

>>105692312
>self-driving cars
no one uses this
>sent a car to the space
usecase?
>ChatGPT
>write a novel for you
name me one best selling novel written by chatgpt
>drag and drop a compressed file from archive to a Nautilus window
usecase?

>>105693038
>usecase?

usecase is you want your gui to work correctly and have a feature that has been standard for windowed guis since the early 90s

>>105690097
you probably could get it to run kwin_wayland, as that is the only one with a semi functional software fallback, but it would run at 1 frame every 5 minutes probably

XLibre until Arcan #skipwayland

>>105683391 (OP)
>>105683439
>>105683924
>>105684521
once xlibre gets packaged for devuan it's joever for gaylandcels and red hat shills :)

>>105692312
>drag and drop
>not important
I fucking hate freetroons so god damn much it's unreal

>>105685647
hi xgui4

>>105693673
>try loonix after some rando troon swear on xer mum "linux desktop is totally fine now no but this time for realsies"
>open smb share with movies
>drag drop trailer to vlc
>opens instantly, seems to work fine
>drag drop 4k movie to vlc
>freezes
>wtf
>killall vlc
>try again with 1080p movie
>same deal
>start googling around wtf is going on
>but forgot to killall
>couple minutes after
>movie opens
>wut
>try again with another 1080p movie
>freezes
>then opens after a minute or two
>mfw this shit is transferring the entire fucking file over to the local fs before opening
>ask troonix users what the actual fuck is this retarded faggotry
>"actually yeah that's the normal procedure :)"
not moving from w10 ltsc for a while I guess

>>105693792
I can open videos shared through smb just fine without wait. maybe it's "normal procedure" for a shit player like vlc but it's fine on mpv kek

>>105693892
>ah haha yeah you should use my favorite distro/desktop/library/media player... it works fine there :)
I could open through VLC as well, when I pasted the file path in the open dialog or browsed through it I'd assume, it's drag and drop from a file manager that went full retard.

>>105693946
are you using GNOME by chance?

>>105693967
I believe it was yeah, this happened over 5 years ago give or take, went straight back to W10 and I don't want to look back or remember much about it.
The fact that someone actually thought this retarded shit was ok, convinced themselves it was "normal procedure" and nobody challenged that idea but instead reinforced it says everything you need to know about troonix desktop development really.
Every time I give a serious try to using Linux as a desktop system I find myself befuddled by some niggery like this that takes me right back into Microsaar's arms.

>>105693203
it is irrelevant what other projects have considered the "standard" since the early 90s
gnome has its own vision and its own standards
we dont use menu bars in our gui apps either and we are not going to start using them because some other project used it as a "standard" in the 90s

>>105694027
well I'm just gonna say I expected it from GNOME kek. the GNOME dev team are well known on /g/ for being the retardest faggots to ever walk this planet and generally have no idea what they're doing. I'm not a big fan of KDE but I know a lot of people like it nowadays. personally I'm more of a xfce guy
>his happened over 5 years ago give or take
believe it or not, a lot of things have changed in 5 years. maybe it still won't be perfect for yours or someone else's need, but regardless there's been a lot of things happening
>Every time I give a serious try to using Linux as a desktop system I find myself befuddled by some niggery like this that takes me right back into Microsaar's arms.
imo the best thing to do to ensure a good switch from Windows to Linux is to at least try it on a spare machine if you have one, or a VM. see if you can make things look and act the way you like, see if it fills your needs, and more importantly see if you could see yourself using it daily that way. and again since you seem to like Windows a lot, you really should give KDE a try. it's probably the closest look and feel to modern Windows you'll find, for a desktop environment

Switch to Wayland you NAZI CHUDS!

>>105694233
instructions unclear, switched to xlibre

>>105693034
If Nvidia does throw their weight behind it though, that would be fucking hilarious. Wayland trannies would never recover.

>>105693626
Based.

>>105692963
Not dropping a
>Niggers
And
>Heil Hitler

>>105694233
I hate both wayland and zionists, where's his god now? lmaoooooooo

>>105685076
KDE did have talks with the wlroots devs at some point, but I generally agree.

Honestly, the only way for the "Linux Desktop" to be any good is by having stakeholders that give a shit about the desktop user experience. Reading the Wayland protocol discussions and seeing basic features stall for months to years, gives the impression that they are more concerned with keeping their hands clean than making a usable desktop.

I would have loved wlroots being the `X` replacement that would reduce the wasted effort, but you know in open-source fashion..."Not Invented Here Syndrome" with a hefty dose of "C AD T". Valve has a stake in the desktop experience with Steam(deck), and KDE gives a shit about its users and the desktop paradigm. KDE (with Valve) already going ahead and implement protocols before they are even accepted to improve use experience.

>>105683391 (OP)
Is it backward compatible ? Can we install it on most distros ?

>>105685173
NTA, but Xlibre was unfortunately dead on arrival even if it was released a decade ago simply because RedHat didn't push it. The "community" doesn't run the show, the corps do.Arcan is RIGHT THERE, implementing both X and Wayland plus more, and no one seems to care.

Windows, MacOS and Android have display systems that are more secure and featureful than Wayland while maintaining backward compatibility. Bring that up as a critisism of Wayland and you are a "Chud/Conspiracy Theorist/Right-Winger" or some bullshit. Users on Windows/MacOS/Android don't have to worry about "X/Wayland/DWM" because their software "just fucking works". Wayland has been bumbling around for more than a fucking decade on PROTOCOLS that they can't even finalize yet for proper desktop use, like they expect application devs to just wait around while they "justify the usecase of a screen/macro recorder in 2016+"???


We're just lucky that Valve aligns with the user's interest of "having a desktop that fucking works", otherwise more

XLibre

>>105692963
Make sure you get yourself checked for STDs

>>105684517
Older NVIDIA drivers update never and nouveau with todo/wip/stalled power management is useless with laptops that are the ones cannot be upgraded with something else.

>>105694978
The corpos don't run shit, neither does the "community" - whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
Open source has always only been run by two groups of people: the users and the developers. I don't want to learn the quirks of a new display server system, and I want it to actually be improved over time, thus I'm a user of XLibre. This is thus the value, to me, of the project. So, too, are the user-developers of it. A convincing value proposition is all that's needed. The same principles which apply to a hardware market apply to a software market.

I don't know shit about arcan yet, maybe you can sell me on it.

>xorg troons angry someone forked something
>instead of leaving the person alone and perhaps see it die, call him a nazi
>video gets made it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5guSWznnA

>>105694044

any reasonable person who walks up to any computer with a mouse and application windows expects things as simple as copy-paste and drag n drop to just work, its something every application developer would expect to work/have available, hell even most terminal users expect copy-paste to function, its not something that should be dropped since its the most obvious feature any desktop system would have, unless your "solution is to just "bury it in yet another cellphonne-style submenu" like some retarded jeet android/ios trash developer

>>105695488
copy and paste works just fine in gnome files
what is your usecase?

>>105695614
learn UX retard, drag n drop should just work,if you have an archive tool and you want to get a specific file out of it, the obvious method is to open file with the archive tool and select the desired files, navigate to the desired destination in the file manager, then drag them into the file manager from whatever archive tool is needed to handle said archive, if you cannot understand this basic UI design concept, I dont know what to tell you.

>>105693038
>>105694044
>>105695614
use case for being a huge faggot?

>>105695685
you still haven't explained your usecase?
what do fo you mean "basic design concept"? are you a professional ux designer? i recommend you to come up with better arguments to support your claims. and tell me your usecase.

>>105692963
bunch of losers on that discord
community showed that they want X and ot's not actually one man show
the redhat employees can seethe and cope that there is a significant percentage of people that don't want their garbage
it looks to me like the game developing studios that push woke into the games and are surprised nobody buys their games

>>105695938
s/discord/matrix
what the fuck is matrix even

>>105695859
one doesn't need to be a UX designer. I would argue that these people have negative contributions towards usability of most programs nowadays. What once was based on actual studies is now just based solely on looks and what is trendy. And unfortunately everything is shoehorned into a mobile paradigms.

>>105695979
these kinds of discussions do not belong on an issue tracker. if you want to talk philosophy then please use the gnome discourse forum. unless you have a specific usecase i think we can end this pointless discussion.

post the matrix link, I feel like sending 50k bots.

>>105683391 (OP)
NINTENDO
KILL
THIS
MAN

>>105696052
and this is why it should become 110 countries

>>105684521
Wayland is like having an old clunker that needs $2000 of upgrades but instead of buying a new car or fixing the old clunker, you instead buy a motorcycle and gaslight yourself into believing it's as good as the clunker.

Sure, it can't use shortcuts, it lacks any kind of sharing features, it's dogshit on the network, it's bad on old computers, it's bad on new hardware, it will sometimes drag the system to a crawl, has no consistent mouse themes and when it finally got it, people treated it as if it was the second coming instead of something DEs had for 40 years previously.

But at least it's not old.
It's just new shit that nobody asked for.

>>105695859
>you still haven't explained your usecase?
I fucking love Gnome and I love people who shitpost about it like they're the clueless dipshits who have never used an operating system in their lives that happen to run the project.

>>105695614
It works better in X11.
>>105696052
>these kinds of discussions do not belong on an issue tracker.
This is why the linux desktop is never happening. People requesting things like 'A file manager should support drag and drop' aren't asking for anything major. This is shit that Xerox had working on their mainframe computers in the 80s

>>105695824
i still haven't figured out what malding means, though i've only previously seen it used by men-hating women, so i assume it's intended to mock men in general, which makes it quite strange to see him using it

>>105694978
now, if only valve wasn't a fucking drm company banning you for off-platform behavior and removing access from thousands of dollars worth of purchases in the process...

After years of dwm i've switched to emwm. The only thing i needed was workspaces which was disabled in the code because ancient / broken. Today I found out about vdesk which solves that!

>>105696932
I had to ask about this myself. It means you're becoming so angry that you're going bald. Mad+Balding.

Yes it's fucking stupid like most of these insults they try to throw around now. They can't post anything funny because they aren't allowed to call each other faggot and nigger. Plus an insult coming from actual fags, trannys, fat ass losers and such never has any spice coming behind it anyway.

>>105692768
Xlibre is 2 guys thinking they'll change the world while Wayland is funded by Wayland
Money speaks, you listen. So wayland is getting more development.

>>105699243
you said the same thing about devuan yet they forced debian to forgo being systemd-only
xlibre will be packaged for devuan and there's nothing you can do to stop it

>>105692768
>direction brainrot
They can exist as separate projects without impeding each other, if xlibre manages to get things in full gear in a consistent manner it will end being the generic unix and unix-like display server (*BSD, opensolaris, more posix linux distros), Wayland will end being the default display server for systemd-like systems. Nothing to get hysterical about.

>>105699329
Didn't say it wasn't gonna be packaged. I meant development.

>>105683391 (OP)
I will never understand how people think a giant mostly unnessesary massive binary mess with little documentation that everything needs to compile against is somehow better than a a small set of protocals that allows for WM indepedence.

>>105699335
wayland has nothing to do with systemd... and it works fine on freebsd

>>105698555
making fun of someone for going bald sounds like something that would be against their coc's, wouldn't it?
i personally would consider that lower than calling someone fat, since being fat is something you can control

>>105683391 (OP)
unwoke nonsense
give me the working alternative please

>>105699652
I didn't mean to imply that, probably "readhat tech leaning systems" would have conveyed better my statement. Of course nothing preclude using either projects on whatever system, it's just a general expectation.

>>105699994
kek
this

>>105699652
my nigga in christ, GNOME is dropping support for operating without systemd within the next few releases, the problem is so bad that at FreeBSD we`re looking at taking our resources that we spend working with gentoo to keep GNOME working without systemd and putting that effort towards developing GNUstep+Xlibre to be the FreeBSD standard desktop because Freedesktop has been an absolute nightmare to work with for nearly 10 years, with them going so far as to actively filter the mailing list so that out team members dont get informed about feature-breaking changes and we have to dig through their git and apply patches on our end just to keep wayland running as there are too many members on the wayland protocol team that actively do not want wayland to run on non-linux systems. We have wayland running currently despite our interactions with freedesktop, not because of them.

>>105684035
use case?

>>105687033
easier to start clean than to unspaghetti the spaghetti

>>105700329
what the fuck
i don't use freebsd, closest to it was running pfsense for a while 10 years ago. while not actively working on or avoiding issues with freebsd is one thing, actively filtering the mailing list and whatever "members on the wayland protocol team that actively do not want wayland to run on non-linux systems" entails is disgusting

i've seen gnomefags (devs) claim shit like "are you a gnome app or a <not gnome> app?" in reference to a gtk application that doesn't want to be for a specific de in the first place. now, or at least i'm becoming aware that it seems like when they say gnome is community-developed, what they mean is that there's a gnome community, and then everyone else, which is not part of their community
they're heading towards if not already being basically proprietary in all ways but the code

>>105700329
Isn't this just gnome? libwayland officially supports freebsd

>>105683391 (OP)
when can I replace x11 on on archlinux with xlibre?

>>105699954
silly anon, insulting men, whites, straights etc. is never against CoC

>>105698555
They use "loser" a lot now after incel and chud failed to catch on

>>105700776
but-- how does he know he's talking to a white/straight/male?

>>105699994
BASED my software needs to be full of troons or im not using it

>>105700388
Enjoying things

>>105700329
Thats Gnome, not wayland. And yeah, it's retarded that they rely on systemd so much.
I feel the blight of gentoo for putting in so much effort just to allow their users more choice only to get back-handed, really gentoo should just stop trying to give the benefit of doubt to those assholes.

There are rices out there for WMs like wayfire that practically turn them into a 1:1 gnome experience (if not better). If i was a FreeBSD or Gentoo maintainer i would redirect people to those alternatives. Sucks, but thats just gnome, they can't go one day without causing a mass exodus.
>>105700440
I'm thankful that a large amount of apps these days have been porting themselves to QT. Fuck GTK and Gnome.

>>105685231
hue?

>>105701407
so you fear monger about security?

>>105702063
nigger fuck shit piss out my ass
*do

>>105700460
You could have done that a while ago, it is currently a ppa in the AUR. Despite it going 1.0 over the weekend don't expect distros to officially package it quickly, as Xlibre is still very much a beta product given how many changes got implemented. From what people using it have said, it is perfectly functional and performant for desktop use, but it will be in a fully tested state in the future.

>>105702321
Any needed changes or configs, or can I simply swap to the AUR package and everything works?

>>105693647
I'll distrohop to devuan when that happens.
Currently on Debian, what do I need to prepare for?

how can i make sure there is nothing xlibre in my linux installation?

>>105702717
Start sucking dicks. It's the only way.

>>105699243
Wayland is impeded by its own developers, Litterally the only reason xlibre has any chance of getting support.

>>105683391 (OP)
>wayland-sisters
Why don't you go away and rewrite Wayland in Rust? It'll be safer.

>>105684521
I literally simply do not believe any of these claims anymore

>x is hard to work on
Yet it has taken Wayland a decade and a half to come close to feature parity with it
>x was dying
It was dying because it was a captured project, its devs were all part of the same cabal and had an informal consensus to kill it off by rejecting all progress
>xorg is really difficult to maintain
Is it? It has lasted for 40 years. In contrast to the meme Red Hatters have been spreading around, perhaps we need to start thinking that old code = superior code.
>security issues
Security fixes were literally shut down by Freedesktop devs. And don't pretend that wayland security model fixes anything.

tl;dr I simply don't believe the x-memes anymore. All glory to Xlibre.

If xlibre wants to really, really cause a shitstorm, they should reach out to valve and really kickstart development. The same valve that slapped wayland with the frog-protocols fork.

This has been a massive redpill suppository this week. That the devs, all coincidentally in the same circle of people at largely the same corporation, conspired to gimp the fuck out of their own project, setting the Linux desktop back a decade, should be front page news on all tech platforms.

PROJECT ATHENA STILL LIVES

THE GODDESS WILL NEVER DIE

COPE AND SEETHE, RED HATTRANNIES

gotta say, the improvements to the modesetting driver on the xorg master branch vs the last release is fairly significant, dunno why they haven't bothered to release anything, so just using the xlibre fork gets you some nice things.

>>105704311
Wayland is a protocol written and defined with XML files.

>>105692370
>controversial political views
i am so fucking happy to not be in the software business lmao

>>105710317
the controversial views:

>>105692370
kek what "conspiracy theory" do they think X11 enjoyers subscribe to?

>>105712266

>>105712266
THEY ARE ANTISEMITIC TERRORISTS WHO BELIEVE IN "DECENTRALIZATION" WHICH IS A NAZI DOG WHISTLE OR SOMETHING

>>105712370
I will proudly admit to being an anti-Red Hat terrorist. Fedorafags, bazzite groomers, and footfags should all live in fear for the crimes they have committed, and would have committed had we let them.

>>105712266
For me, it's that Redhat/IBM is engaging in good old fashioned EEE (Embrace Extend Extinguish) on linux to monopolize it for themselves and destroy all competitors.

Also conspiracy theory does not necessarily imply incorrectness. Because those fags absolutely are doing that.

>>105683391 (OP)
GNOME devs are dropping Xorg in favor of Wayland
>ummm ackshually they're just stupid, xorg is better
KDE devs are dropping Xorg in favor of Wayland
>ummm ackshually they're just stupid, xorg is better
XFCE devs are (slowly) dropping Xorg in favor of Wayland
>ummm ackshually they're just stupid, xorg is better
LXQt devs are dropping Xorg in favor of Wayland
>ummm ackshually they're just stupid, xorg is better
Cinnamon devs are (slowly) dropping Xorg in favor of Wayland
>ummm ackshually they're just stupid, xorg is better

>>105713796
>dude just stop using x11 because redhat said so, okay?
>you're also allowed to do your own thing because we said so and 'fragmentation' is bad now m'kay?

>>105702496
devuan has systemd blacklisted from its repos so your apps better not hard depend on it

>>105713796
>KDE devs are dropping Xorg in favor of Wayland
didn't happen but ogey