Why are anti-wayland chuds like this?

daddy lun duke needs to cover this already pwease

>>105688020 (OP)
The issue is that the people who defend X11 act like this. There's merit in defending X since Wayland is an unfinished product (no xrandr equivalent makes me sad), but they're right that it's being subverted by weirdos with strangely fascist rhetoric.

>>105688020 (OP)
DESU nazis have a tendency of clinging to the losing sides

>>105688040
>it's being subverted by weirdos with strangely fascist rhetoric
as a direct reaction to pro-wayland being overrun by weirdos with gay communist rhetoric
they're shit but they were not the ones who started the practice of bringing politics to the project

What if I told you we only shitposted Hitler for years because it made you mad.

>>105688081

>>105688081
Damn so close. Oh well.

>>105688061
Extremism is no excuse for further extremism anon.

>>105688020 (OP)
absolutely repulsive self-pity from this guy
boohoo, man the fuck up nibba

>>105688081
That's another thing that sucks about modern politics. A shitload of people are so ignorant to actual politics and only care about making people they don't like upset, absolutely no compassion for their fellow people. It's horrific.

>>105688109
>only care about making people they don't like upset, absolutely no compassion for their fellow people
I do this

>>105688020 (OP)
this shit is starting to get funny

>>105688020 (OP)
this dude's gonna turn himself into a lolcow with all his whining if he's not careful

>>105688020 (OP)
Wayland/Gnome/SystemD/Rust etc are all full of gay commie faggots but Wayland and Rust are just superior technologies, Gnome sucks but it is by far the most polished GUI DE other than cinnamon and I don't give a shit about my init system.

Chuds need to stop letting emotions and politics get in the way of good technology. But chuds are nocoders so they will always lose the culture and the technology.

>>105688098

>>105688189
missed + gb2s()itroon.shitty

>>105688189
If you actually understand what this means, you should consider going outside.

>>105688193
Speak English nigger

>>105688098
It's no longer "extreme" if you've taken every other path and have been repeatedly ignored, rebuffed, cancelled, etc.
Blame the left for exhausting all peaceful options.

>>105688040
>strangely fascist rhetoric

Yes Anon lets ignore the authoritarian creeps who want to censor and ban those who disagree with them.

>>105688210
You live in a false reality anon.

>>105688218
And pretend like fascism's any better? I'm trying to make the point that you should strive to be better than them, not worse.

>>105688098
'Extremism' is just a buzzword used by bootlickers. According to my government the majority of the population is 'extremist' because we dislike their shitty policies.

>>105688235
Shut the fuck up. The behavior of others never excuses your own behavior. That's the point I'm making and I'm sorry every fucking /g/tard is too fucking dense to get this. And that's not even true and you know it.

>>105688197
no

>>105688231
Anon 'fascism' no longer has a meaning, the government worshiping freaks who support the current system will call you a fascist if you believe that people should have rights and not be controlled by the corrupt child rapists who run the government. Which is ironic since according to the guys who invented it fascism is a totalitarian collectivist ideology that gives the state complete control of society.

>>105688081
Where can i get that glorious looking copy of Mein Kampf?
Would also like that framed uncle Adolf too.

>>105688264
You do realize that fascism didn't have a meaning to begin with, right? It's a rhetoric and drive towards an idealized past that likely never existed. This comes in many, many different forms, which is why there's states like Iran that are undoubtedly fascist due to being a nationalistic dictatorship or how there could be a full, functioning democracy in a fascist state. You're such a retard that you can't rub the two brain cells you have left together to form a coherent thought on this matter which is why you think it's a buzzword.

>be gnome developers
>rant about fascists
>while working for fascists
What do they mean by this?

>>105688301
do you think the guy in the OP is using your surgical definition of fascist?
he isn't, when he says it it just means "a person with politics to the right of bernie sanders"

>>105688301
Words have meaning.
>Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
>t. Benito Mussolini.

Hence my joke:
>>105688308
Also posted wrong pic.

>>105688109
What if my fellow people are contemptable faggots who deserve to suffer before they can escape this mortal coil?

>>105688020 (OP)
>Gayland troon transplaning on their shitty blog
kek

>>105688301
Not only you're wrong, you're going for the opposite of the truth. Fascism was a rejection of conservatism and the embrace of Futurism. It did not idealize a bucolic past, but youth, speed, industry, technology, and violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto

>>105688301
Anon, the early fascists wrote books and you can read them. Stop perpetuating lies. Today though fascism is mostly used as a buzzword to try and silence criticism of the establishment. Same way they tried to label people as 'racist' for not wanting corporations to use mass migration as class warfare. Moist people who cry about 'fascism,' are authoritarian hypocrites who think our bloated oppressive governments need even more power.

The X11 guy is not a fascist in western sense, because he is against anti semitism and I think he is himself an ethnic jew.
But he is a nazi in the Russian sense, because he would support Hitler if Hitler worked with jews instead of against
He sees nothing wrong with Hitler invading Yugoslavian Kingdom and the Soviet Union, the second causing much more deaths than anything else in WWII or after.

This is no joke in Russia either, you can get up to 5 years in maximum security penal colony for suggesting that German WWII military were the better option than the red army or that both were equally bad.

>>105688225
Quite the opposite, I'm refusing to live in your false reality and I will fight it even if means sending all leftists to fun camps for toddlers.

>>105688404
German National Socialism is anti semitic but Italian fascism wasn't, Mussolini had a Jewish mistress.

>entire thread became an unironic nazi discussion

>>105688445
so it became a discussion about the topic intentionally raised by the op's screenshot, shocking

>>105688404
>if Hitler worked with jews
Half of Hitler's staff was jewish. My God you people need to read a history book sometime.

>>105688348
>>105688360
>>105688430
Ah yes I remember my Nazi phase. Then I figured out Hitler was a glow nigger and neither choice during that part of history was good or organic.

Why is it so hard for you people to accept the fact that you've been lied to and only serve to spread division? Who cares which slave masters are "right" when we could simply kill both of them?

>>105688445
The OP is about an insane faggot ranting about Nazis. I'm not sure what you expected.

>>105688020 (OP)
imagine even knowing what x11 or wayland are, lmao. get a life, nerds.

>>105688458
I know what they are, but have no idea what they are arguing about.

It's funny though seeing someone call others fascist but then argue for mandatory supervised internet access.

>>105688020 (OP)
>not exaggerating
>Nazis
They're neo-Nazis at most. Original Nazis went extinct when they lost WWII.

>>105688451
>You're a Nazi if you're not too fucking stupid to tel the difference between Fascism sand National socialism

I wasn't saying either of them was 'right' you idiot. But you're right, we should kill everybody who sides with the government or attacks free speech whether they're Nazis, progressives or whatever. Labels don't matter.

>division

More buzzwords, I don't care about defending ''our democracy' or the MSM approved narrative.

>>105688360
Fascism usually means to people either anti semitism or authoritarianism. Fascism or really any ideology other than monarchy (because of historical reasons, but still very badly taught) and englightenment liberalism (because it is the current one) is not taught at all in the west.

>>105688532
I meant division in the sense of fighting against your neighbor and stirring up meat grinder wars. I don't care about "democracy". I think people should do whatever they want and leave each other alone.

>>105688445

>>105688098
Yes it is. Redhat has created a monster, and now they must reap what they sow.

>>105688020 (OP)
>NAZI! NAZI! NAZI!
I can't think any word that got more devoid of meaning, good job faggots. Also i don't give a flying fuck about any of these concerns, if xlibre is going to deliver a fully functional and updated xserver i'm going to use it if/when i need a xserver, if wayland ends being a superior choice for a set of occurrences i'm going to use waylanf for those, it's literally that simple. The lead devs for both can be an antifa troon in a fursuit and coding socks or literally Hitler in person resuscitated, i. don't. care.

Get this information imprinted in your fucking brain you idpol mongoloids.

>>105688250
Why are you even hyperfocused on excuses and justification you absolute moron? Saying that retarded commies and political activists defending a project will create reactionaries who politically oppose them isn't a justification, it's a description of reality.
Blame the people who brought politics and the reactionaries opposing their politics into the space if you're looking for a culprit. Blaming the reactionaries for showing up and being "just as bad" isn't going to address the root issue, because more of those will always be created over time by the original political activists who are going nowhere because you only try to hand wave those away.

>>105688532
>who sides with the government or attacks free speech
people who want free speech usually also want other "free" things, like free market, or freedom to buy a house and rent it to somebody who can't afford to buy a house. this freedom makes certain people extremely wealthy though, and they start to use this wealth to influence the government for their own benefit.

>>105688903
>freedom
>to own a house
You know you can just claim land and materials are sitting around everywhere, right? Ohhhh sorry you meant the freedom to be a lazy fuck. The freedom to slave away for scraps of paper. The freedom to participate in someone else's game.

That's called slavery anon.

i'd like to know why people with progressive politics are so intensely interested in forcing me to use software that doesn't meet my requirements

>>105688169
>polished
nothing about gnome is polished unless you count turd

>>105688098
This all started when they banned an autistic polish kid who was doing good work for Wayland. He never had any extreme views, it was solely because of a tranny in Redhat that was offended by an edgy joke he made in his personal Discord server.
We've tried other options, but they declared war. More and more is always coming to light about their corporate and political interests (I mean political in a broader sense of who has power over Linux desktop standards not just ideological trolling). The only way the Linux desktop can improve is if Redhat is destroyed. So personally I don't care what the motives are. Like >>105688769 says if the neonazis are doing good work, it doesn't matter what they believe.

>>105688020 (OP)
The fact that people like this really exist out there and they're not even being sarcastic is scary.

>>105688098
If you're this concerned about somebody else's opinion, you're an extremist, anon.

>"Concerned" Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session.
Okay, first off, what's up with the random capitalisation? This doesn't just happen on this line, what's wrong with their brain?

Moving on. I have no idea what the "concerned" trolling is but it seems wrong to dismiss accessibility concerns as trolling simply because one does not understand accessibility needs. They are complex and frankly within the linux sphere requests for features or talking about the way something works is met with friction, when the user can often be presenting it from an accessibility standpoint. It's a valid approach and dismissing concerned because you have a "culture war" going on within your movement is not acceptable.

Additionally, there's problems when you're doing this while also trying to take a stab at virtue signalling. You can be upset with fascists, nazis, you can hate conspiracy theories and even that people don't like gays or are using primary school insults.
However to do so, you must separate the things you are upset about from legitimate accessibility concerns. People with accessibility issues exist and please do not attempt to use us in a shield from criticism. Additionally, do not use us as a shield in such a poor manner. Listen to us, if we have concerns, consider them, explain in a clear manner if something is not possible or suggest alternatives but don't try to use us as a grenade in your war, while failing to virtue signal.

You're closer to vice than you think: you utter fucking clown.

>>105689111
>>105689111
he didnt dismiss it, he wrote another post about it and how serious they are taking it by interviewing people affected by it and how their solution stand up. He is talking about people who never had to use accessibility tooling, using accessibility as the reason they don't like wayland or using accessibility as a trojan horse ("programs not being able to position themselves is an accessibility issue").

I hate gnome devs but you chuds always prove them right.

>>105689292
>I hate gnome devs but you chuds always prove them right.
I am literally just a disabled man critiquing the language of the post as it was presented.
It's nice to hear that there is another post going over that, but I note that you didn't link that at all, in fact your proposed solution was to end it with an own the chuds bout of ad hominem that was wildly misplaced.

Even when posting sincerely, there are people who cannot engage in good faith, that's sad. Please correct your behaviours when interacting online. If you wish to take a moral high ground over the "chuds" then the best place to start would be with your own posts.

>>105689292
freedesktoptards think featureless, contrastless slop is accessible
also, latency is an inherent accessibility problem, so no one who cares about accessibility would seriously try to force a compositor on the world

>>105688020 (OP)
Dropping Xorg was already on the roadmaps for over half a decade.

Also, Xorg being killed is nothing new. Wayland was created in 2008 to solve some issues that maintainers of Xorg pointed out that would make Xorg a huge bloat.
And all this drama over abandonware is nothing new. People who remember when XFree86 was abandoned remember that the same shitty drama happened. Mentally handicapped people who could not code demanded that old shit be kept maintained for no reason other than "my very old software that I don't want to update". Hell, the last release of XFree86
happened at the end of 2008...
The same shit will happen with xLibre. It will be used exclusively for retards who like obscure things but don't know how to code their own. implementation.

https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/
Holy shit the article somehow just gets worse. Even if I was a liberal I wouldn't tolerate this language in my project. Pure seethe.

>>105688474
They're not Nazis either. These people call anyone they dislike a Nazi and fascists. It means nothing.

bros my hatred towards wayland grows stronger.
Maybe I will stay forever on debian 12.

>>105689376
what about the issue of copositing?

>>105688098
Faggot

>>105688020 (OP)

It's amazing how demented and childish gnome devs are. Read either of the following and tell me that they aren't completely fucked in the head.

https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/
https://tesk.page/2025/06/18/its-true-we-dont-care-about-accessibility-on-linux/

fuck gnome, x11 schizos are genuinely deranged though
should I bring up sneedacity again?

>>105689480
>should I bring up sneedacity again?
You mean the project that got exactly what it wanted out of the project is forked?

>>105689471
average gnome dev

You know what's funny about the shills in these threads?
Qanon was started because some boomer election tourists on /pol/ doesn't understand how everyone on this site is anonymous. So when one anon claimed to be part of the "deep state" they took anons word for it.
Everything I've seen from these shills are just as bad. They're constantly accusing people of samefagging, being random people they don't like or having ulterior motives.

>>105688301
>It's a rhetoric and drive towards an idealized past that likely never existed.
Leftists will literally say that exact same thing about anything they dislike.

>>105689471
I wonder why people say gnome bad? It can't be because gnome bad and gnome devs bad, can it?

>>105689425
Yes i hate the jewish child diddling cabal that rules over the world does that make me a nazi?
so be it

>>105689471
>>105689528
This is unironically one of the higher ups in Redhat. It looks like something sharty would come up with.

>>105689530
Some things to understand.
1) Qanon was a LARP started by some glow niggers and they sent boomers over to shit the place up. They didn't want them reading actual leaks from anons. Which they banned and eventually deplatformed all together.
2) Most of these "shills" are faggots like the one seen in this post >>105689528 seeking to control the narrative and raging here 24/7 because they have google alerts setup to ping them when their own names/names of projects they work on/other common terms are posted.
3) You are correct they're very bad at what they do. They're just as bad as paid shilling operations like ShareBlue which anon exposed over a decade ago now.

When you know how things work it's much more funny to lurk. You should do what I do and leave them false trails to follow. Already had them try to dox me twice in these threads and related threads because they're so butthurt about the things I write. It's really obvious when they start referencing things I've written elsewhere in an attempt to scare me. Or "doxing" some burning account I made on other sites that require log-in just to mess with their heads.

>>105689532
redhat is actively sabotaging the linux desktop because they don't want competition.

>>105689471
PAY UP CHUD

>>105689544
>this is the guy telling you to transition to wayland
grim

>>105689528
>the brain isn't developed until 25!!!
>except mine!!! i've got the world figured out and my opinion matters a lot!!!

>>105689575
>I must demand that my work is valued based on capitalist and neoliberal economic rules
>absolutely no care for the disabled or people with accessibility issues
>only contempt at their financial position
maidenless behaviour

>>105688020 (OP)
Xorgtroons are just that, troons and they are unstable and derange. even Gnome admits this.

>>105689544
>>105689528
So in summary if I want to get hired by Red Hat I just need to do the following:
>Make up a fursona or LARP as anime girl-post 2018 with multi color hair
>Change my pronouns
>Join the cult of Rust
>Disregard POSIX
>Install systemd, polkit, dbus, logind and udev

If I do the above I too can be hired by Red Hat. Where I can waste my time fucking around modifying style sheets a couple of hours a day and drawing up plans to remove features from existing applications. Of course my most important task will be anonymously defending Gnome on a basket weaving forum. I figure that would take up at least 6 hours out of every 8 hour work day. That leaves 1 hour for dilation and another for sharing furry porn in the discord.

It isn't really a flex to call people "nodevs" when you can't even open some C source code without shitting your pants. No wonder these people have other POSIX OSs and projects. They can't understand anything happening within them. Linux+GNU tools internals is just a mystery to them and they have no idea how to write anything on their own. Must be why they're so eager to take over existing projects and ruin them. They have no creativity.

>>105688033

>>105689318
>idpols on /g/

can someone make website where software recieves a chud rating, like that spyware neocities. some of you are surely experts on the matter

>>105689627
>Free Palistine
Based. I enjoy how this became the new Heil Hitler for kikes and American Pentecostals.

>>105689627
haha, yeah

>>105689658
It's amazing to me that they're so open about saying it while using a blog hosted on a server operated by a company who's number 1 customer is the US military which are the jack boots of Israel. Of course, I'm sure if you make a retard proof chart that lays it out and proves it they'd call you a Nazi.

>>105688020 (OP)
>openly calling for people to be censored and actually isn't even joking about it
this is what they actually believe

>>105689676
I know...
The irony is so thick you can cut with a knife.

>>105688020 (OP)
we need x11tler to gas all jewaylands! last commit of the final solution.

>>105689471
>https://tesk.page/2025/06/18/its-true-we-dont-care-about-accessibility-on-linux/
This article is absolutely sickening and misses the point entirely.
I don't think I have enough stamina in me today to go over it all and not while running up against 4chan's antiquated character limit.

>What do concern trolls and privileged people without visible or invisible disabilities who share or make content about accessibility on Linux being trash without contributing anything to projects have in common? They don’t actually really care about the group they’re defending; they just exploit these victims’ unfortunate situation to fuel hate against groups and projects actually trying to make the world a better place.
This is the opening.

Here is a passage from farther down:
>KDE hired a legally blind contractor to work on accessibility throughout the KDE ecosystem, including complying with the EU Directive to allow selling hardware with Plasma.
>GNOME’s new executive director, Steven Deobald, is partially blind.
These conflict, they are both trying to use accessibility and disabled people as weapons in a culture war but concern trolls manage to come out on top on sheer virtue of not relying on virtue signalling and bringing along the token friend to counter all criticism.

The point of this post seems to be at its core an upset about capitalism, and I hate it too. However lashing out at the disabled and people with accessibility issues is not okay.
We are not your shield. Yes, we require accessibility adjustments and yes, it's going to suck to implement but you don't get to use us as shields and act as paragons of virtue because you don't get paid or volunteer. You could be approaching it from the stance of making humanity better, but instead it's other points in a war. A vent article that is offensive to the disabled.

There isn't enough space to cover this all.
This person is an enemy to the disabled, they see us as pawns in a game, we are people.

>>105689698
Should be exploited to create in-fighting and division within Red Hat to be honest. With how retarded these people are I'm sure they'd throw away their do-nothing jobs just to make dumb political statement.

In fact, I'm going to start sending emails right now.

>>105688348
and they hated pasta
well at least Marinetti did, as noted in his futurist cookbook.

>>105689575
If his labour was that valuable he wouldn't have to cry about being paid, he would just get job at some corpo.
Too bad that the corpos that produce working software expect you to work on full speed every time all the time, not just whenever you feel like it on whatever you want.
Doesn't gnome foundation give handouts?

>>105689723
Red Hat is a company. There is no infighting because there is a defined hierarchy.
Shit like this only works with truly open-source projects (and is the reason why they all eventually die).

The ultimate red pill is that companies should be ruled like a mediaeval state; forget all those retarded CEO books, read Machiavelli's "Prince".
The only reason why GNU still exists is because Stallman, being the schizophrenic Jew he is, refuses to give even the minimal small amount of power to anyone. He is the supreme dictator of GNU, and you are either with him or against him!

>>105688020 (OP)
Enrico Weigelt is a plant. They want to make this about American culture war BS again.
I hope they are punished in hell.

>>105689710
Fuck, it. 2nd post.
>To summarize the table: those three merge requests that I worked on for free were worth 9,393.60$ CAD (6,921.36$ USD) in total at a minimum.
They're using the larger value but this is the wage for consultancy. They are implementing the feature, which does not require a level of expertise, their salary should be calculated as a programmer and separated out into chunks & blocks where specifically planning for accessibility was required.
The example isn't good either because
>GNOME Calendar’s !559 addresses an issue where event widgets were unable to be focused and activated by the keyboard. That was present since the very beginning of GNOME Calendar’s existence, to be specific: for more than a decade. This alone was was a two-week effort. Despite it being less than 100 lines of code, nobody truly knew what to do to have them working properly before. This was followed up by !576, which made the event buttons usable in the month view with a keyboard, and then !587, which properly conveys the states of the widgets. Both combined are another two-week effort.
This is not a good standard to address. It shows that accessibility was an afterthought to such a degree that the software was worse for a decade, despite only requiring two weeks to catch up and bring it up to snuff.

>It All Trickles Down to “GNOME Bad”
This section along with the others that want to appeal to authority or pre-emptively dismiss concerns because someone is not "contributing" is simply part of the vent box post.
> or make content about accessibility on Linux being trash without contributing anything to projects have in common?
was in the opening statement, this implies they seek contribution and also consider raising a concern to be not contributing. It's a logical fallacy when presented at the forefront of the article.

>>105689742
>and they hated pasta
imagine being this much of a faggot

>>105689773
It's plainly evident that it's bad faith argumentation when it opens up by saying you're not allowed to criticize them if you yourself aren't disabled. That person just has an incredible amount of bile and hatred for the world and can only lash out in 'approved' ways, which they perceive this to be.

>>105689749
Most free software contributors are being paid.
Companies that use that software often reach out to the project leaders and offer to pay for a number of hours coded. So the leader of the project picks someone with talent and says, Hey, I can give you X to do Y issue. Sometimes big companies even hire full-time employees to contribute, but this is rarer those days.
The problem is when those open-source organisations get corrupted and the money that is supposed to end up with a motivated developer to fix a pressing issue that no one wants to work on gets in a leftist pocket.
A better way to solve this is literally a bounty program. The project leader organises the documentation for the feature that is needed; some developers do it and receive, from the company trying to help, an x amount. No middleman...
BUT LEFTISTS HATE THIS, BECAUSE THEY WANT A SHARE WITHOUT WORKING (FOR MODERN LEFTISTS, WORK IS THE CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS).

>>105689773
>And worst of all: people with disabilities are the ones affected the most because they are misled into thinking that we don’t care.
No. You've shown you don't care. That you value capital & prestige above all.
That's why there's a section dedicated to pay and corporate bodies who fork and profit from a project.
What's truly ironic is that this was prefaced with another ventblock talking about drama in the linux community, before looping back to be virtuous once more.

I'm sorry, but no.
Stop this behaviour.
>It’s so unfair and infuriating that all the work I do and share online gain very little activity compared to random posts and articles from privileged people without disabilities that rant about the Linux desktop’s accessibility being trash.
Yes. The world is unfair, that's how disabled people exist. We exist in an unfair landscape. I'm sorry but your likes are a social construct.
>It doesn’t help that I become severely anxious sharing accessibility-related work to avoid signs of virtue signalling. The last thing I want is to (unintentionally) give any sign and impression of pretending to care about accessibility.
As you should, your post here has virtue signalling and tokenism contained within.
A significant portion of your text is there to dismiss, discredit and even critique frameworks that are in place, that you contribute to continuing to oppress the disabled. Your language in itself is a problem, you may think you care about accessibility and you may even think that you are sincere but your attitude towards it does come off as virtue signalling because it's flawed.

Disabled people know that life sucks. Capitalism exists and is bad, yes. -But stop using us in a war because it's bad.
We want to be able to use software, to perform tasks on equal footing, not read rants about RHEL bad etc or your feelings on inter-nix drama.

This person truly requires some time to reflect on their thoughts, away from every aspect of the community.

>>105689800
They're doing the same thing with inject-able technology and the brain chip now. You aren't allowed to point out how horrible of an idea it is and how it'll be used to enslave people because
>we'll make it so the blind can see and the deaf can hear!
No they won't. They'll just use it to read your thoughts and send ads directly to your brain.

>>105688903
True. And then freedom of speech and the free market ceases to exist. You have oligarchs instead, which is what we have in the west. As soon as your currency becomes fiat currency you are a slave and there is no western country using hard money.

>>105688348
>>105689742
Fucking based. This is the foundation for American "Neo-nazism" aswell since traditional American ideas are not compatible with National Socialism.
Nostalgia fagging is gay, that's why Xlibre is based because it's actually moving X11 forward. Not out of some retarded sentiment to "go back", but to advance the desktop beyond the confines of Redhat.
>>105688451
Are you buck broken? "Killing them both" is the nazi position.

>>105689835

> This person truly requires some time to reflect on their thoughts, away from every aspect of the community.

I don't like them, but they're like this because society is colossally fucked. This behavior and attitude are the future, it will only get worse from here.

>>105689838
>Are you buck broken? "Killing them both" is the nazi position.
No its not. The Nazi position is to play the villain and send all your enemies on free vacation to land you claim they shouldn't have anyway. Don't forget to not seize their assets on their way out and then become boogeyman for their lies for decades afterwards.

>>105689800
>when it opens up by saying you're not allowed to criticize them if you yourself aren't disabled
What bothers me is that this is the kind of thinking that's harmful for disabled people like myself.
Outside of just software, we require larger groups and bodies to advocate for us, legally in most aspects of life, whether it's advocacy on a personal level to deal with medical and insurance issues or on a legal level or even ensuring that proposed government welfare changes do not clash with the ECHR.

Disabled people rely very much on the third sector, volunteers and hard workers to allow us to have a shot at equal rights. And, believe it or not, while it sucks to accept that we do require this, we are thankful.
Moving to a feedback structure where you question if someone is disabled at all harms that advocacy, it harms people who do not have a wider reach. Yes. I want people to go out there and advocate on my behalf if they have a wider reach. I don't particularly care if the people at GNOME or a 23 year old sees it as concern trolling. I've lived over 23 years in pain, daily. I don't recall a day I wasn't in pain. I hate to be dismissive of their age but it's immature.

People do not have to contribute more than feedback. Opening up and engaging honestly, in good faith knowing that you will potentially receive blowback for your condition or issues is enough. Having others advocate for you is fine.
I'm sorry. I just cannot fight the powers that be alone. I can't topple Liz Kendall's goals in government without the combined effort of charities, platforms and others fighting; whether they are disabled or not.

My other post ran into char limit, but this person requires some maturity and introspection.
They absolutely do possess an amount of hatred and bile that is harmful to the people they want to protect; most of which comes from ignorance.

>>105689575
It's hilarious how little money Canadians make despite paying significantly more for everything. They deserve it, desu.

>>105689836
As someone who is disabled.
It's an incredible concept that could do such an amazing level of things we don't quite comprehend the scope of without serious thought poured into it. From something as simple as dialing down pain levels, to suppressing hormonal responses like ghrelin, think about fixing insulin resistance through fasting, without using something like ozempic, the headache you may get from not eating or signalling you're low on electrolytes being able to tell you that specifically you need salt, not food.
That's small change, but it's vast.

However, yes. Capitalism exists, governments exist and trust has been eroded.
To the point where people who could be promised that their life would improve, would need to consider the potential for abuse in governments and corporate powers.
There's enough negligence in the last 30 years to ensure that this level of scepticism isn't paranoid schizophrenia. Does anyone at all trust big tech with their brain?

>>105689835
>>105689773
At some point you stop arguing with such individuals as they don't care about arguments, they are willing to use arguments for which you care to archive a goal but will never actually care about what you say.

One thing about lefties is that they are more racist and ableist than most /pol/ fags. They support those who are "beneath" them simply because it's self gratifying and for virtue signaling, they will lick nigger boots not because they believe that niggers are better but because they feel gratified by "empowering" someone beneath than them to the point that they are the ones beneath.
There was one vid of some popular lefty guy who said we should love muslims/immigrants not because they are good people, we are better than them and that's why we should love them despite them not being good people.

>>105689878
Anti-hero, not villain. Important distinction. We may commit some unsavory acts but once the organic state is established there will be no more need. That's just the reality of the world, change implies destruction, hence "killing them both".
The artwork seized from the jews was German culture and belonged to the German people. They belong in museums, not the hands of people who hate us.
The same goes for free and open source software. Our software belongs to the developers who make it possible, not corporations with political agendas.

>>105688081
I would call bullshit because I understand from experience how the combination of irony and generations of new users eventually erodes irony and replaces it with fervor.

>>105688250
> And that's not even true and you know it.

Yes it is, and you know it.

>>105688301
>discussion on how many angels can dance on a pin

>>105689965
Why are you people so attached to the lies of history? Why won't you accept Hitler was a glow nigger? You claim this faggot that forked X is a plant so easily. But when history tells you openly the main big bad from the 20th century was a glow nigger you refuse to believe it. Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Bentio and all the others including FDR. Glow niggers or glow nigger assets every last one of them. Same with WW1. Where kissing cousins sent millions into the meat grinder of war just to keep the population numbers down a little and do a mass blood sacrifice to whatever they're calling Baal this month.

I don't get it. None of this shit is hidden. They're very open about it. You just have to read past the bullshit they spoonfeed you in the Government approved propaganda tanks called the public schools. They don't send their own children to them for good reasons.

>>105689980
No one was thinking about that when they shitposted hitler, gore and loli to keep normalfags out. You say you want gatekeeping. But when you get it you always cry about it.

>>105689837
This has nothing to do with fiat currency and everything to do with capture of the government. You don't need fiat to capture the government. With a finite currency, you can still buy politicians and have them use everyone else's tax dollars to enrich yourself. Fiat currency just means the amount of money you can give yourself is functionally unbounded numerically -- in terms of relative value, it's still unbounded with finite currencies.

>>105690007
>No one was thinking about that when they shitposted hitler, gore and loli to keep normalfags out. You say you want gatekeeping. But when you get it you always cry about it.
Ironic shitposting still is, was, and will always be shitposting.

>>105690018
Doesn't mean it didn't serve a purpose. Doesn't mean it can't be funny when not over done.

>>105688098
This. If extremism is bad, it is bad because it's bad; not because your opponents are extremists.

>>105688780
I think I love you.

>>105690007
>You claim this faggot that forked X is a plant so easily.
Where did I say that?
>Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Bentio and all the others including FDR. Glow niggers or glow nigger assets every last one of them.
I thought you where memeing at first. Are you trying to imply they're secretly working for the CIA or some secret society? If you're really that deep in the schizo sauce then you should come to the conclusion it doesn't matter what people's perceptions are as long as it meets your ends.

>>105688020 (OP)
>Everyone I don't like is a nazi the example
The absolute state, this nigga is literally mindbroken beyond belief.

>>105688942
What was the joke? I’m betting it was funny.

>>105688780
Reactionaries just muddy the waters -- they believe in nothing but their own individual, idealized RETVRN fantasies which are usually just veneers over an emotional/behavioral sense that CHILDHOOD GOOD, NOW BAD; a kind of juvenile Peter Pan complex with wings and edgy memes.

I don't think it's right to say that communists will "create" reactionaries by virtue of extremism -- primarily on the grounds that communism arguably isn't extreme in any sense except its opposition to extremist capitalism... which is the dominant system. Reactionaries are their own axis on the political graph. They're the set of people who want things to return to a prior state, independent of anything but what the dominant RETVRN fantasy might be at any given point. It's a behavioral thing, not an ideological one.

>>105690126
Imagine getting anathematized for unfunny joke.

>>105689560
> because they have google alerts setup to ping them when their own names/names of projects they work on/other common terms are posted.

That’s a thing? How do I set that up?

most of us dont care what wayland does as long as X still works. what you are seeing now is apathy turned hostile.

>>105689957
>At some point you stop arguing with such individuals as they don't care about arguments, they are willing to use arguments for which you care to archive a goal but will never actually care about what you say.
Yeah. This is why I usually don't engage with it too much or just silently send them a message with my concerns.
I'm what you'd call a leftie or leftists by the boards standards but I'm not overtly political and don't want to drag my politics into it.
I also see those behaviours you're describing about virtue signalling and being racist or ableist too. Like those examples where they claim to care, they'll say they seek out views of the disabled but it's evident that their reasoning is flawed; yet still act as an authority to the point of using it for an argument.
That opening line of yours, you see it in politicians too, most often in centrists but also on those of the so called "left" too.

It's tiresome.
Not all humans are like this, so many of them just cannot grasp the concept of dignity and then apply it to other people.
Somehow the simple idea of treating others as you'd expect them to treat yourself is too much, id, ego and super-ego unbalance in a moment.

>>105690140
Things always return to certain state before it gets better and then worse again.

>>105690126
One of the mods on his discord server changed a trannies pronouns to who/cares.

>>105690069
>I thought you where memeing at first. Are you trying to imply they're secretly working for the CIA or some secret society?
The glow niggers existed for hundreds of years before 1947. Yes that's exactly what I'm implying. They all lived within a mile of each other at one point and as soon as they moved from that area they all became major players on the world scene. Do you think these people get instant media coverage and handed power for no reason or something? Hitler is a well known glow nigger and was sent in to spy on the political party that would become the Nazis. He was also thrown in prison for treason. But somehow managed to write his book while in there and let out for no good reason just months later. If you or I got thrown in prison for treason we'd never see daylight again.

I'm not going into all of the rest of them. I don't feel like giving you a history lesson. The information is easy enough to find if you bother looking for it.

I am obviously more well read on history than you are. I noticed you didn't want to go near the fact that all leaders of the WW1 countries were closely related. Since that's easier to prove and more people are aware of it.

>>105690149
https://www.google.com/alerts

>>105690199
nta but no the history is not that easy to find because theres no way to tell whats copium and propaganda from whats real.

>>105688020 (OP)
im not antiwayland im pro x11

>>105690211
PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI IV ONLINE.
IT'S KINDA NICE THAT 13 YEARS LATER I'M STILL GETTING THEM AND GOOGLE HASN'T CONSIGNED IT TO THE GRAVEYARD YET BUT IT'S NOT NEWS ANYMORE!!!

>>105690181
That's the pattern. If I'm not reading into it too much, you're saying RETVRN fetishists play an important part in the cycle... kind of how fire is destructive but necessary for the overall health (and to reduce the risk of catastrophic, ecosystem-collapsing inferno). I want to disagree because I'm not sure we can't just substitute natural fire for responsible controlled burns, but... we're not really doing a great job of that in the literal sense, either.

>>105690186
this is literally jennercide

>>105690180
Corporations created environment that attracts exactly those people just like churches now attract mostly atheists with psychopathic tendencies to serve as priests and anyone who actually is good person is revolted by this and will immediately leave.

>wayland vs x11 is now another online culture war nonsense battle
i hate the internet sometimes

>>105690268
>responsible controlled burns
that will be the worst thing to happen to humankind and it's scary that we might be getting close to it. If we didn't have the self correcting mechanism of everything just collapsing and giving chance for new start we will probably be sustained in 1984 like state forever.

>>105688020 (OP)
>not exaggerating
>fascists and nazis
This is why everyone laughs at you.

>>105688040
this
but here we have people claiming that fucking corporations are leftist... how people in tech became so deranged
stallman is an actual leftist, whatever gnome/redhat is is right liberal wanabe-progresive at best

>>105690295
Yeah, maybe it's too machiavellian by half to talk about controlled burn in this way. At the same time, the more I think about it, this seems to be the basic philosophy of democratic governance, and maybe even its greatest success. We place the Overton window in a precise location with a precise gap, set up groups of people such that they shout at each other from opposite sides, and this dynamic more or less keeps people from burning the whole thing down. In so doing (and by cleverly abstracting the concept of elites), we manage to set up a system which allows for pressure release without explosion -- the nominal "controlled burn" in a different metaphor.

It's all just different permutations of control. The aristocrats no longer have hereditary titles and the priests no longer wear robes, and even if the Big Man no longer carries a physical stick... it all seems very familiar, yeah?

>>105690337
Leftists are the biggest corpo bootlickers on the planet. They are undeniably useful idiots for mega corps who want to suppress wages, destroy the middle class. Promoting endless immigration and housing crisises throughout the world. Propping up the boomer gentry and oligarchs and the expense of the worker.

That's what a leftist is, anti-worker. The concept of class has been replaced by the progressive stack, putting workers at the bottom.

>>105690337
regressive is the right term.

>>105688020 (OP)
I always knew the whole Wayland vs X11 thing was literally just Left vs Right

>>105690422
t. midwit

>>105690422
t. halfwit

>>105690422
>t. dimwit

>>105688020 (OP)
No smoke without fire

1. In modern use the word refers authoritarian and totalitarians.

>Nazi -> WW2 NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) National Socialist German Workers
But like most will call them far right, Gnome members are leftist in name only, other parallels to the Gnome project might exist.

2. Let me guess the conspiracy is your corporate sponsor, that just happens to be your hosts? or is it how you changed license and reduced transparency, while witch hunting your own contributors..

3. Concerned "trolling" is the feedback that will most likely mention the bugs, read them.

4. X11 and utilities are what keep Linux for desktop working. Consider actually using a Linux distro with Gnome, the project you work for...
It might be pride month, but we shouldn't give software a sexuality

>>105688081
Why are Russian women like this

>>105691424
The know what Hitler's plan was after he wins the war with Russia.

>>105691444
Are you saying they want to be raped and murdered? Because that would make a lot of sense.

>>105689528
Isn't that the Google Chrome tan? Odd thing to use as a FOSS dev.

>>105688020 (OP)
I will not use Wayland. Maybe this weekend I'll get off my ass and build deb packages for x11libre, and install that over debian's build of xorg-server.
Long live x11