>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Antec Flux Pro, Y40, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y70, Y60, Vision / Vision Compact, Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (including gaming): 7600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Intel: If they're significantly discounted (firmware update needed for 13/14th gen -K CPUs)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro
Double towers: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Fan, TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 boards may damage Ryzen 9000 CPUs (7000 series damage less reported)

>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 or 7200CL34 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580, SN770
Better: Check reviews, pick drives with TLC NAND
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU (consider features & value, get Optiscaler to expand FSR4 coverage)
Budget: Arc B580
Mid range: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-perf 1440p & Mid-range 4K: RX 9070 XT, RTX 5070 Ti
Workstation: RTX 5090

>PSU
Budget: Gold-rated 500-600W PSU
High end: SeaSonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244PF E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, AOC Q27G3XMN (stable), Q27G40XMN (beware: firmware lottery)
4K: Gigabyte M28U, M27UA, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>> >>105707358
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid-range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25 G2, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

Prev: >>105700105

>>105707954 (OP)
>pic
wrong board >>>/a/

anime website

>>105707970
Check the sticky.

Overclock is alive.
PCBG solve the riddle and rate my overclocking capabilities.
Wich CPU is this?

>>105708011
Probably a Ryzen 5 3600

>>105708017
nope

>>105707954 (OP)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKuO6myqO8Y
hololive pc building stream in 4 hours

>>105708011
Ryzen 2600? Can you even OC the memory frequency that high on Zen+?

>>105707954 (OP)
include SPL's list in the PSU section
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview

>>105708011
ryzen 5 5600g
ryzen 5 5600

>>105708011
overclocking out side of having the toppest end parts you can currently get because you want even more performance than what is currently available is retarded, because you are better spent flipping burgers and giving your shekels to Su or Jensen to increase your perf
now you are gonna defend it with an autism take about how you enjoy wasting your time and toooooning an old ass system

tldr tuning is gay

>>105707970
oh my cuteness agression :o

>>105707970
sorry bub, anime girl website.

>>105708127
tuning is fun
i've had infinitely more fun with my 5.2ghz 10900k than i did with my 7800x3d

>>105708066
I'm not wasting character space on a tier-list link of a group that didn't even conduct any tests of their own.
Buy an ad.

Below are some of the reliable PSU reviewers.
https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=power-supplies
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/

>>105708048
Very close.
>>105708099
Older Ryzen
>>105708127
Consoomer.

>>105708187
2700X?

>>105708182
fine include those then idc

>>105708193
Nope, but you will be surprised.

>>105708256
Give us one hint, don’t make it too obvious.
That CPU boost clock and memory speed combo is throwing me off.

>>105708030
Unless there's a mass suicide I'm not interested.

Nvidia still has too many driver problems

Can I just nigger-rig everything with zip-ties to a milk crate? The only concern that comes to mind is everything getting all doosty.

>>105708386
You can stick a mobo in anything as long as you're sure it's not going to short.

>>105708256
Ryzen 5 1600x

>>105708396
Can I stick it up my ass; is my ass conductive?

>>105708182
I am very confused as to how slow LTT Labs is going. What's the point of all that expensive equipment with custom in-house scripting and using AI voices to simplify the video version of reviews if they basically do two PSUs a month? And its always two distinct ones when it should be possible or even efficient to test multiple wattage variants of the same model by ordering them together, then it becomes easier to compare them too.

>>105708335
There just few cpus left.
Damn thats difficult. B450 motherboard?
Core/threads amount will be too obvious, but i would say a normal person will not use such cpu for everyday usage.
>>105708407
First gen Ryzens are very bad at Ram speeds, so its a newer one.

>>105708410
Very

>>105708411
I'd presume there's a lot of upfront work to get testing to a point where it's largely automated, and since the current pace is slow as hell, a lot of the to-be-automated steps are still manual.

>>105708410
Go hug an electric fence and report the results.

>>105708178
>playing bios screen
nah, it's boring and useless and just tiring and you get next to zero out of it

>>105708187
>Older Ryzen
even worse

>Consoomer.
I accept your concession

>>105708386

Is GPU Tweak worth installing if I have an ASUS card? was looking at the box my 5080 came in since I had to move my stack of empty PC part boxes to get to something and I saw it mentioned on the back.

>>105708719
Nyo
Use MSI Afterburner (beta) and be happy.

>>105708719
If you have an astral it comes with some extra features like the voltage detector.

>>105708810
New versions of hwinfo64 can read that so GPU tweak is only useful for the gyroscope feature on astrals

>>105707954 (OP)
i have Lian Li Lancool II Mesh and i want to replace the front case fans, is the Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM for the front?
im not sure how to check how big are the front fans
>picrel

>>105708719
I use GPUTweak with my MSI Suprim 4090 and have had no qualms.

>>105708925
Always check the manufacturers' website for that kind of spec.
https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-ii-mesh-rgb/
Your case supports either 3x120 or 2x120.

>>105709034
*2x140

>>105708925
A12x25 is great for exhaust and radiator use but quite crap as an intake fan. I chose scythe's kaze flex for intake since I saw a comparison that put it on top when used as a pure intake fan with unimpeded airflow

bros I just ordered the liancool 207 and arctic freeze III pro 360
I was using an air cooler and an old case from my previous system so my temps should drop quite a bit, no?

any other recommendations or why I shouldn't choose these?

>>105708011
>>105708187
black screen >3800 means it's zen 2
zen 3 would just throw endless WHEAs
>rate my overclocking capabilities
you should do some more testing rather than just playing DOOM and seeing if it freezes after 30 minutes
there's also no reason to undervolt RAM, 1.3 V is less than XMP
>>105708633
>you get next to zero out of it
*you* get next to zero out of it

>>105708066
What does efficiency G mean? From the color, I suppose it's not great but okay?
Sry I'm phoneposting right now (from work) and the mobile view for this sheet isn't that great.
My PSU has everything green except for efficiency, feels good bros

>>105707954 (OP)

>>105708386
>mfw I find the source for that buzzing sound in my compurrter

https://youtube.com/shorts/P_eERm1U9k4

He lives in the best country on earth, but he doesn't have 7600. I don't even understand why this is so? Do processors sometimes not come out in the USA?

>>105709380
>*you* get next to zero out of it
everyone does, you should have been alive during the oc golden age if you wanted to oc
right now it's all over
5 fps on 1% lows is not it, senpai

Have any EU gvds here bought any of the recently released AOC Gaming monitors?

>>105709545
Contrary to what you think, the us is more like a really rich third world country than a first world country

MSI RTX 3060 VENTUS 2X 12 gb for about ~300 dollars
Gigabytye RTX 3050 8gb ~200 USD
Gigabyte RTX 4060 8gb ~341 USD
ZOTAC RTX 3080 Trinity OC ~394 USD
All of them are used and I am a retarded third worlder. For pure, raw performance to budget (including electricity, it will be on 7/24), which one is the best deal? CPU is 7500f, 32 gb DDR5 ram and MSI PRO B650M-A

>>105709652
The 3080 is the best by far, no contest. Just note that it also pulls a lotta power and they're old enough to warrant a repaste

>>105709652
>ZOTAC

>>105709545
Why do people assume that if others talk about lower end parts that they do so because they can't afford higher end parts?
Do people really hate entry level parts that much?

I have a decently high end rig and I still get excited over lower end parts just because it means a lower barrier to entry for others.

>>105709600
>you should have been alive during the oc golden age if you wanted to oc
i know how it used to be, i had a 4770K
it's not as simple anymore, and you're looking in the wrong places
>5 fps on 1% lows is not it
that's not true but even if it was it would still be worth it
overclocking is safe, fun and free

>>105709681
Better than gigashyte or ventus.

>>105709754
there is nothing lower then zotac
even PNY is better

>>105709801
Unless you can prove there is something wrong reliability wise, I don't get the hate for zotac
You can always look up reviews to see if the cooler/fans are decent enough for your taste

This may be a silly question. Do different motherboards from the same manufacter have separate default fan curves? Like will a "gaming" motherboard have a more aggressive fan curve?

>>105709826
they're just built very cheaply. it shows when you compare circuit boards
here's the Zotac 3080:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-3080-trinity/3.html
here's the EVGA for comparison:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-ftw3-ultra/3.html

the Zotac only has 13 power phases vs EVGA's 19 and that doesn't actually break down the quality of the components

>>105709838
Hard to say, the default fan curve is usually awful and should be tuned anyways.

>ZOTAC

>>105709878
Either are not really being stressed so it doesn't matter much.
Cards used to have TGPs of 250w with 6 or even 4 phases, not even SPS either. Hard to say there was any real reliability problems with those VRMs.

>>105710060
chips also used to run at way higher voltages with higher margins
it matters in the long term and in overclocking
the Zotac won't clock for shit and will fail WAY before that EVGA, this is reflected in the price in the second hand market as you can see above where it's priced the same as mid tier cards because of how much of a gamble it is

>>105709801
Gigabyte 3080 and 3090s are particularly unreliable and really the worst aib for that generation
And I say that as a gigabyte 4090 and 5090 enjoyer

>>105710087
>it matters in the long term
You can't necessarily prove it does.
Modern GPU obsession with VRMs are not based on provable merit. You like to feel that more phases means a longer lasting card but that's exactly how the market wants you to feel.

>>105710160
they didn't tear down the gigabyte 3080 but here's the 3090:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3090-eagle-oc/3.html
here's EVGA's:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ftw3-ultra/3.html
15 vs 19 power phases
>>105710165
then why is that the good cards that last have more phases then the cheap shit cards that don't?
even if you don't care / agree you need to accept that it will ultimately effect the card's second hand value if you ever plan on selling it

>>105710211
That could be it. The gigabytes frequently have failed power stages. Maybe they were overloaded because of how weird the split vcore phases are, how few of them there are and how power hungry ga102 chips are

>>105707954 (OP)
>ASRock AM5 boards may damage Ryzen 9000 CPUs (7000 series less supported)
Add
>The latest BIOS from AsRock supposedly fixes this.
People need to know they should be flashing their bios ASAP.

Completed it on Intel Arc.
Next game Nier Automata or Dark Souls 1 pyromancy build?

Haha features you dont have.

>>105710397
The only acceptable way to play games is with Vsync on and enough processing power to never dip below your refresh rate. Anything else is just cope.

Why are you retards spending thousands of dollars to play ue5 slop?

>>105708422
Ryzen 2600E?

>>105709339
>I was using an air cooler and an old case from my previous system so my temps should drop quite a bit, no?
It should be a substantial upgrade.

>>105709380
>black screen >3800 means it's zen 2
What about those CPU freq? Isn't it too low for a Zen 2 all-core OC?

>>105709510
It probably stands for Gold-rated efficiency, most likely from Cybenetics.

>>105709545
>Do processors sometimes not come out in the USA?
The US misses out on chips like 5500X3D and 7500F, there are also some China-exclusive Intel CPUs specced for net cafes.
It's an international distribution strategy, they don't deliver some of these high-value chips in the US because they can cannibalize sales of the costlier CPUs.
It makes sense from a business POV to make US gamers pay the 9800X3D or better premium.
AMD also waited™ until most potential 7800X3D customers bought it before they offered a Microcenter-only 7600X3D.

>>105710483
they exploited my greatest weakness

>>105710466
Latency is crazy how you people actually live.
>>105710494
>Ryzen 2600E?
Nope. Here is a tip. CPU without built in graphics.

>>105710494
shut up tranny

>>105709652
RTX 3080 is the best option.

>>105710211
>15 vs 19 power phases
It's not that simple. The quality of the components matters more.
FTW3 is one of the more problematic RTX 30 cards because it is specced to draw up to 450W while using reference-tier components.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM

EVGA's had so many RMAs with these RTX 3080/Ti & 3090 cards, that they've run out of RMA stock.
Look at the Redditors defending EVGA, an AIO water-cooled 3090 shouldn't last beyond 5-years? Kek.
The FTW3's plastic fan shroud also hides the actual thinness of the heatsink.

>>105710211
>then why is that the good cards that last have more phases then the cheap shit cards that don't?
You sure about that?
Where is the graveyard of "cheap shit" cards?
Where are the stats that say cheap cards fail more?

Ironically when it comes to the 30 series, it was the higher end models that grenaded themselves early. There is atleast evidence of that happening
Did the nice VRM save the 3090 FTWs?

>>105710495
>never played oblivion
>hyped when leaks started appearing
>buy day one
>it's shit and I wish they would have just remade skyrim again
Biggest disappointment in years

>>105710507
Vsync latency doesn't occur as long your fps is below your refresh rate. That's why you cap 1-3 fps below.

>>105710537
It's not for everyone, especially because they didn't tune the game mechanics & difficulty properly.
I understand the scope of this project was limited to a remaster, but Bethesda & Virtuous made some half-assed gameplay changes.

The creator for the below videos isn't a Bethesda or Oblivion hater, I'm linking only his criticisms but he's still having fun.
He's just good at pointing out the existing flaws of the game, excluding all the niggling bugs & performance issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ2OdCA6uYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E30cAJjrBXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrkjL5zv0GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mXj5uQpdYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qly3w6BHFeE

It's still fun and worth it if you enjoyed the OG.

>>105710537
considering oblivion's success, surely UE5 skyrim 2 is happening now

>>105710537
>never played oblivion
there's your problem, it's for people whose first bethesda game was Oblivion
I never cared for Skyrim

>>105710537
after playing it I can confidently say skyrim is a better rpg

>>105710624
>skyrim is a better rpg
lmao

>>105710575
>Vsync latency doesn't occur as long your fps is below your refresh rate?
AI answer.
>That statement is incorrect. Vsync (Vertical synchronization) introduces latency regardless of whether your FPS is above or below your monitor's refresh rate. While it does prevent screen tearing by synchronizing the frame delivery with the monitor's refresh rate, it does so by adding a delay, even if the game is rendering frames faster than the monitor can display them

>>105710647
It adds one refresh cycle of latency at most which is imperceptible unless you're somehow still playing at 60Hz in 2025.

>>105710624
Oblivion is fondly remembered for the cozy vibe/soundtrack and the janky radiant AI interaction.
The guilds and Shivering Isles have some of the best quests Bethesda ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bifEhjmq380

>>105710664
>>105710647
If you have a VRR display, Vsync works differently on your driver. It doesn't engage at all until you hit your cap. On non VRR displays it's always engaged.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/418E-7A04-B0DA-9032

There's a reason you enable Vsync + fps cap/reflex

>>105710683
>If you have a VRR display
Wich one is VRR?

Better just use theese:
>Scanline-Sync
>Smooth-Sync

>>105710756
Freesync/Gsync/AdativeSync are all VRR

>>105710494
>What about those CPU freq? Isn't it too low for a Zen 2 all-core OC?
depends on your cooler, core count and risk tolerance
but i was doing 4ghz all core on a 1700X so you're probably right about that

>>105710494
>>105710774
also, 3.8 all core at 1.2 V is not possible on 14nm

I have vsync on and max refresh rate of my monitor. Why would I set it below that? I don't get it

>>105710938

>>105710951
I see so you don't actively set it below your refresh rate. It does it automatically. I guess I do it then as well

>>105710990
when reflex/antilag2 is not a option, thats where the fps cap comes in. ideally you would cap it in-game but not all games have good frame limiters. a good frame limiter is cyberpunk/bg3 where you can set it to any value in-game and its cpu based. a bad framelimiter is segas games where they only offer presets (60/90/120) and its gpu based limiter. cpu based limiters are better (Rtss is one for example).

>he's NOT using a S95F as a PC monitor in 2025
ngmi

>>105711024
well at least I eat pussy every night perkele

>>105711044
getting sucked off by a tranny is less gay than eating pussy, don't be submissive

>>105710386
Nier Automata

>>105710507
Clues so far.
>'2600?'
>Very close.

>'2700X?'
>Nope, but you will be surprised.

>B450 motherboard
>but i would say a normal person will not use such cpu for everyday usage.
>CPU without built in graphics.
>First gen Ryzens are very bad at Ram speeds, so its a newer one.
Since you said the 2600 is very close, 2500X?

Hi /pcbg/ could you give some feedback on my upgrade? I originally tried to pair AMD CPU with AMD GPU but turns out AMD CPU is a bit hard to come by at my local shops.

I'm from VN and the budget for upgrade is about $800. I only uprade the CPU, the VGA and the main (old main is not compatible) and a coolant. All other parts are just from old PC.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/qkle/saved/#view=gPwL4D

>>105711100
That mis matched ram is crazy ngl

GamersNexus will go bankrupt without NVIDIA review samples.

>>105711100
You shouldn't install two different DDR4 sticks like that, it will hurt gaming performance (both modules will run at 2133MT/s without manual tuning).
Get one set (2x8GB or 2x 16GB) of DDR4 with at least 3200MT/s CL16, 3600MT/s CL18 if the price difference isn't too much.

You can drop down to 12600K or 12400/F if this system is mostly for gaming.
9060XT Reaper might run a bit hot and loud because it's got a compact cooler, maybe check if there are similarly priced models with a bigger cooler.

>>105711156
>>105711138

Thanks let me check on the RAM. For the the CPU, i choose the i7-12700 b/c it's the recommended spec for Space Marine 2.
I think i'm going to keep it.

>>105711143
serves that retard right for running his gpu benchmarks with a 12700kf

>>105709652
>For pure, raw performance to budget (including electricity, it will be on 7/24)
>it will be on 7/24
If you buy the 3080, it's strongly recommended to undervolt the GPU (with a light OC) and apply a lower power limit to the card.
Set a maximum frame limit (around 3~5 FPS below your monitor's maximum refresh rate) to manage the GPU utilization.
You can set frame limits on apps like RTSS, NVIDIA Control Panel, or in-game settings.

You want to make these adjustments to dampen the intensity of the transient spikes to protect the power delivery components.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbP0YRhXHCk

>>105711143
nvidia barely brings in viewers/money unless its talking shit about them.

the real money is making "AMD GOOD" videos. its what prop up randoms like daniel owen and that other zoomer face who is now making more money than their job/while still in high school.

>>105711319
>making more money than their job/while still in high school.
isn't that extremely easy?

>>105711358
What's easier? Teaching bratty kids IRL for 8 hours or making a 45 min online presentation about why AMD is better?

>>105711138
>>105711143
btw should I replace the 8GB Ram and buy another 16GB RR DDR4 at 3200MT or 3600 but not the same model/branch at the current 16GB

or should I replace both and buy 1 set?

>>105711433
Don't use the old memory sticks at all.
Don't mix memory kits even if they're from the same brand & model if you want a simple install & enable XMP experience.
The manufacturer could have changed the memory chip supplier and it's not reflected in the model name & appearance.

Artic freezer 3 is a piece of shit for AMD because the mounting solution can break or just not work especially with the shit tier instructions provided. I'm tired of this thing being recommended when it's the worst cooler to install for most people not experienced in PC building and even the person that installs every couple of years

>>105711470
this. even same spec ram with the same ICs but not matched by them are less stable than a matched kit. I tested this with a mixed 2x2x8gb 3600cl16 b-die kit against a 4x8gb 4000cl15 b-die kit and the latter was more stable than the prior. same for a set of mixed 2x16gb 4000cl14 b-die and matched 2x16gb 4000cl14 b-die kit where the latter was more stable.
g.skill does actually know what's best when they produce a kit unironically

>>105711483
Its even worse for intel because forced contact frame

>>105711511
Well shit
I think what's crazy is even gamers nexus called them out yet here I am still seeing this cooler being recommended to general users. You can look on the amazon page about how bad the fucking install process is and I don't feel comfortable even using such a cooler because what can happen when you have to take it off with how much brute forcing you need to do to get it to stay in the first place. I also don't get why the OP changes so much with anons injecting outdated info
>>105710235
Is also right
It looks like anon used previous OP but some anons keep changing it for some reason

>>105711505
>>105711470
I see. Guess i am replacing both of them then. Thanks guys.

>>105711505
>even same spec ram with the same ICs but not matched by them are less stable than a matched kit
you can also have mismatched PCBs
B-die can be A0 or A2 PCB AFAIK
so that might be what you ran into

>>105710235
>>105711543
If you look at the Asscock reddit, then the ryzens are still dying even with the latest BIOS which was supposed to fix this

>>105711565
I think we should still point that out so users can just avoid it because of their incompetence

>>105711143
>>105711319
I don't usually like GN content but he has a point about how badly gamers are getting screwed with the GPU configurations & the meager raw performance gains.
GeForce -50, -60, and -70 tier cards used to provide strong value for money, and they helped grow the PC gaming audience.
Now they're speccing these cards just enough to encourage people to replace them every 2~4 years.

AMD prioritizing Epyc & Ryzen over GPUs during their distressed period also gave NVIDIA a great opportunity to take over the market.
Radeon is getting the investments and the changes it needs thanks to the AI boom.

>>105708925
There just 140mm im changing mine soon on my lan cool 2 mesh performance to some Arctic P14's since the old ones are starting to get noisy

>>105708925
Unless its the RGB version then they would be 120's

>>105711083
>2500X?
Ahh nope.

>>105711561
for both cases, that wasn't true since both 3600cl16 dual stick kit were produced in the same week and had incremental serial numbers (i.e. xx4, xx5, xx6, xx7).
and 4000cl14 sticks are limited run bins and all 4 sticks were produced in the same week in august 2021.
probably just silicon lottery where the mismatched sticks I had were electrically different enough to matter when using xmp or overclocking

>>105711483
Offer an alternative AIO for the OP.
I like be Quiet AIOs because they designed a coolant refill port that allows you to use the AIO until the pump degrades.
But I don't have the experience to recommend it (air-cool schizo).
Plus, these refillable AIOs have a 3 year warranty compared to the 5/6 offered by competitors (probably because be Quiet is accounting for user error during pump refills).

>>105711565
Did ASRock officially state their investigation is over and their BIOS fixed the issue 100%?
I like some of their boards but it's hard to recommend something that is disproportionately affecting Ryzen CPUs relative to other boards.
I know their boards were commonly recommended, but it's still an extreme difference.

>>105711679
Fuck you, I quit.

>>105711631
>changing mine soon on my lan cool 2 mesh performance to some Arctic P14's since the old ones are starting to get noisy
Arctic P- fans tend to hum at certain RPMs, it also varies by fan due to manufacturing tolerances.
I'm not anti-Arctic, I often recommend LF3/Pro.
But Arctic is phasing out those P- fans with the new Pro models.
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/arctic-p-pro-fans-also-in-140-mm-and-p12-14-to-be-discontinued/

>>105711702
I would pay the extra money for the cooler master atmos, it's a very comprehensive experience and it performs better than the arctic freezer. your cpu is valuable and you want to protect it and also not have a stressful experience setting it up. I miss deepcool

ddr5 is now for poorfags

>>105711785
Why didn't I upgrade to 64GB when I had the chance...

>>105711785
>tfw still HODLing my rare DDR2 kits

>>105711785
I'm pretty sure none of those 3200MT/s DDR4 ICs are used in XMP kits, the fastest ones usually have 2666MT/s JEDEC.
That fastest DDR4 spec is meant for server & enterprise clients.

>>105711839
They're still affordable, at least in the US.

>>105711483
A little tip is to connect those frames to the pump first, and only then to the motherboard, it's somewhat easier that way
>>105711702
It's hard to recommend the best AIO. There is something like 30 manufacturers if not more, and some have several different models available .I don't t think that anyone made comparison of all this stuff.

>>105711543
Which info in the OP is outdated?
IK PSU needs to be revised (gold-rated PSU for a budget class doesn't make much sense), will change AIO, and might add Meshify 3 case recommendation but that section is bloating up the OP.

IDC if someone else makes the next thread, I'll keep the feedback in mind.
Point out sections where you feel it's being biased/shill.

Go on /g/ tell me how bad I am at this:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bHjfcx

Meant for 1440p gaming, no streaming, no AI bullshit, I just want to replace my 10 year old 1060 6GB / i5-6600 build with one that can last another decade.
The 970 evo is my current one, can't reuse any other old parts.

>>105711952
>pic related

>>105711952
I would get the Power Color Hellhound over the XFX 9070 XT.
Hellhound cards have a better reputation for running cooler & quieter, it's cheaper in GER too.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/rGPv6h/powercolor-hellhound-oc-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx9070xt-16g-loc

XFX cards have decent build quality, but they don't seem to put enough effort into picking & testing noise-optimized fans that complement their heatsink.
Pic shows how loud XFX's premium model runs, they may have released a firmware update but that's annoying.
Rest looks fine.

>>105712017
Alternate is running a 699 EUR deal on the XFX right now, haven't found any cheaper model

>>105711981
Also, strongly consider upgrading the new NVMe drive's capacity to 2TB, these can fill up fast if you play a lot of newer games.

>>105712038
Was planning on replacing the 970 EVO with a 2tb one sometime later this year or next for 3tb total and then use my old rig as a media station next to the telly

>>105712035
Hellhound is 716,99 € when I add it to the cart in this store, is it a scammy retailer? Are they doing some store credit shit like Newegg?
If that price is real, you should pay the extra for better noise & cooling.
The video card is usually the loudest component when you play modern games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lHRVVZDP_o

That card would fly off shelves in the US at that price.

>>105711948
SSD part, there is nothing about pcie 5.0 drives I think
The best would be separately list 4.0 and 5.0 disks, perhaps also some best HDDs for storage
GPU sections should mention used 4090 for workstations/high ends, it's still very relevant card, and in some regions you can get it for good prices, also used 3090 could be listed for AI tasks
It's also possible to split the OP into two posts, some generals do this

What do guys think of my dream build now? I hate Nvidia btw.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8bg8qH

>>105712103
Good advice, thanks anon.
NBB is a normal shop, no bad experiences in the past.

>>105712110
>SSD part, there is nothing about pcie 5.0 drives I think
Very few /pcbg/ visitors need a gen 5 NVMe drive, it benefits specialized/professional tasks like 4/8K video editing and some AI applications.
Even Gen 4 drives are overkill for most general computing needs, and Gen 5s are not exactly affordable.

>GPU sections should mention used
Too much info about used cards, very few people would be looking for such specific info and its relevance is too region-specific.
It's also not recommended to buy a used 3090 because of its power delivery flaws.
Most 3090 cards have a chance of randomly dying if people run it at stock settings, even overbuilt cards like the Strix 3090 are not immune from this.

>It's also possible to split the OP into two posts, some generals do this
I don't think it's worth the effort just to suggest used cards and gen 5 drives.

>>105712139
>4k build
>200 dollar monitor
Lmao
Anyway, 64gb ddr5 dimms exist now? been outta the loop!

>>105712139
monitor sucks
speakers suck
webcam, UPS..... why? get a real camera for that price and what's your power situation where you need a UPS? you realize that UPS's are only useful to get you over little blips

>>105711741
>Fuck you, I quit.
Haha, but thank you for participating, we are at the middle of the thread maybe other people wants also to put a word.

>>105712139
>I hate Nvidia btw.
RTX 5050 for a 250$

>>105712280
They're the new hotness but they seem to ship with much worse timings than even 48gb sticks

>>105712320
>speakers suck
Agree, for a 50$ bucks you can get used
LM1875 based speakers. I has them.

>>105712110
Added premium drive recommendation: SN8100
Removed premium PSU recommendation: a bad time to buy ultra-high-end PSUs because of SeaSonic OptiGuard's development.
https://seasonic.com/computex-2025/
I'll try to add used 4090 and 3090 Ti in the workstation recommendation if they can fit within the 2K limit, I've trimmed some of the other parts.

the rm1000x 2024 3.1 edition good for a 5080?

>>105709510
80+ ratings I assume

>>105712410
this is how they're gonna get me to buy a new PSU after 10 years?

>>105712416
Yeah, it's a good unit.

>>105712451
cheers

snagged this up for -12%
next stop
cheapest 5080

>>105712434
This is how they are going to get people to buy a new PSU after 2 years.
The 12VHPWR grift is still strong lmao

>>105712507
someone should just make an adapter that you can plug into an existing power cable to turn it into a "balanced" cable

>>105712507
>12VHPWR grift
I mean, at the end of the day it's Nvidias fault innit.

>>105711952
>>105711981
>>105712145
Hellhound is too big for that case
>Case Clearance
>Graphic Card Length Limitation: 335mm
>305mm (with pre-installed fans)

>Card dimensions
>327mm*128mm*49mm
>340mm*142mm*49mm(with bracket)

These cases have better clearance
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/kbzXsY/kolink-unity-lateral-performance-atx-mid-tower-case-unity-lateral-performance
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/9nhv6h/kolink-observatory-duo-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-observatory-duo
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/WKQKHx/kolink-unity-meshbay-performance-atx-mid-tower-case-unity-meshbay-performance
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/zJWJ7P/phanteks-xt-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-bk01
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/NcRwrH/corsair-3000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011251-ww
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/gWFbt6/fractal-design-focus-2-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-foc2a-07

You need to buy additional fans for the XT Pro.

>>105712553
>de.pcpartpicker
Germ

>>105712522
Ironically that's what one of the first Nvidia adapters did.
All the wires where combined into a single bus bar on the plug end. Helped distute the load across the pins before power went across the connector.
It's why there was never really an issue with insanely unbalanced cable loading until PSU cables came out with individually pinned cables.

Don't use adapters with the 5000 series

At all

Got a new PC last year (r5 5600 rx 6600, standard stuff) and I''ve been using an old monitor that isn't quite enough for my needs.
Other than it having an IPS panel, which features should I be looking for in a modest 1080p monitor for gamedev, gaming and the occasional video/image editing? (And which ones are superfluous?)
I'll take specific monitor suggestions too, although I'm not sure how useful they are given the greatly fluctuating prices and availability here in Bruhzil...

Tourist here (idk if im in the right general). 4ch is awfully slow on my pc. Edge is a bit faster but not as snappy. I tried changing dns, even reverted to use google ones but I dont see any improvements. Pic related, network logs when i try to load a catalog on firefox.

is there anything that i may had missed? interestingly, using my phone data is faster and if i enable vpn on my pc, it seems fine now.

>>105712625
If they give it to you, its covered under the warranty

>>105712665
make sure it supports freesync and however many hz as you can afford

>>105712553
How about Sharkoon VK3 RGB. Comes with 4 fans pre-installed, should have more than enough clearance.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/gDrqqs/sharkoon-vk3-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-4044951041237

>>105712553
>>105712709
Nevermind, gonna go for the Phanteks XT
https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/phanteks+xt+pro+satin+black+pc+gehuse+890581

>>105712139
Your monitor choice is confusing and you're getting raped by that keyboard where you could move the money to a better monitor.
I would also look for a cheaper boot drive or advocate for you to go 2TB with a different brand. Also please don't use a air cooler with a 9950x 3D I own one and it still pushes hot even if you use a water cooler so you're leaving performance on the table.

>>105712709
>>105712765
I like the Phanteks XT Pro, but it only includes one 120mm rear fan.
Maybe see if there's an Arctic P12 3-pack you can buy, the 5 pack is a bit pricier.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/LmCFf7/arctic-p12-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00137a
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/4zkH99/thermalright-tl-s12-x3-476-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-s12-x3

Sharkoon VK3 also seems big enough for the card, but it's a tighter fit (415mm x 184 mm vs 350mm x 160mm).

Alright anons how can I, a complete retard first time builder, prevent the fucking 5090 melting the PSU cables? The PSU I'm planning to get is the Corsair HX1200i

Hell, does anyone have a cable management video/tips/guide? I don't trust my retarded ass with cables

>>105712979
just pay someone to build for you
it's not worth blowing up a 5090

>>105711741
>Fuck you, I quit.
Going to sleep so here an answer.

>>105708364
Please instruct me how to reproduce just one of them, no problem ever happens to me.

t. RTX 4090, driver v576.80

>>105712139
Lot's of dumb unnecessary shit there like the webcam or the 10mW speakers (lmfao) but I guess you'll need them to make your youtube videos.

The power supply may not be compatible, it's SFX and you are building a full tower. SFX PSUs come with shorter cables, so they won't reach far enough in an ATX case. You won't be able to plug it in. Either go for a mATX motherboard + case, or an ATX case with a front/top mounted PSU, or get a different PSU.

>>105712857
He's building a a $4300 PC and you are worried about him spending $200 on a keyboard?

>>105712665
Maybe a gaming monitor with a passable sRGB emulation mode.
Not many reviewers cover new 1080p IPS monitors these days.
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-24g2spu-24g2sp/#Colour_reproduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUoxwTWo7Fg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYpYXlbn0rc

>>105712994
Yeah, I couldn't imagine you'd be on a 4C/4T CPU.
Used a board's CPU support list to guess.
That "very close" tip threw me off.
Nice OC considering the CPU & voltages, gnite.

>>105709711
> Do people really hate entry level parts that much?
I live in Russia. On the reddit in the electric cars subreddit, I told them that electric cars are not popular in Russia because they are expensive. I was attacked by people in cars for 50+ thousand dollars, telling me that electric cars cost like gasoline ones.

>>105713074
>I was attacked by people in cars for 50+ thousand dollars, telling me that electric cars cost like gasoline ones.
Yeah, that touches on something I've noticed.
Here in the US there is an "affordability" problem with cars nowadays. Yet all the cars people look at are $50k or more even.

It's like people pretend lower end stuff doesn't exist and your are the bad one for suggesting a lower end option.

>>105712999
He got it like that, my build cost 6k once you factor my existing parts

>>105709801
Admittedly, ZOTAC's Ada cards were terrible crap but their Blackwell cards are some of the best. Build quality and performance top notch. My 5070 Ti SOLID OC has an overkill cooling solution and allows to raise the power limit to 115%. Only point to lament is the price of course.

>>105712139
> I hate Nvidia btw.
Why would I even try to give advise to someone like this? It's a hopeless case.

Max overclock is like 15% on all of the 5000 cards and 20% on rx 9000, why happen? Is it the jews? On Nvidia that doesn't even get you to the stock performance of the next step up
Is gpu overclocking officially dead? Why can't I flash a 5070 to draw 4zillion watts and oc more?

>>105712103
> UVP 1.599,00 €
> -50%
What a bargain!

>>105712416
A 5080 is not good enough for that PSU. It wants a 4090.

>>105713240
> Why can't I flash a 5070 to draw 4zillion watts and oc more?
Because it would probably fry the card.

https://www.igorslab.de/en/local-hotspots-on-rtx-5000-cards-when-board-layout-and-cooling-design-do-not-work-together/

>>105713156
> It's like people pretend lower end stuff doesn't exist and your are the bad one for suggesting a lower end option.
This

>>105713240
GPU performance doesn't scale very well past 1.1V for Ada and probably also Blackwell GPUs.
Earlier 4090 & 4080 cards were specced to draw 1.1V max, I'm assuming NVIDIA reduced it to 1.075V to make the card run a bit safer.
The Ada chip also has strange power characteristics past 1.125V, it asks for significantly more power after that.
I think Der Bauer's 5090 OC showed similar behavior when he tested a volt mod.

Maybe NVIDIA could've let board partners design OC cards with a higher power limit.
These cards would be obscenely overpriced though.

>>105712951
Sharkoon seemingly uses that kind of disgusting plastic that turns rubbery and iffy.
Went with the Phanteks and ordered some thermalright.

Still feel like a complete tool spending 1.5k on a new PC when the last one cost nearly half that a decade ago.
Silver lining, no money going towards nvidia.

>>105713646
Mostly due to video card pricing getting out of control.
NVIDIA and AMD can order more profitable chips from TSMC than GeForce or Radeon GPUs, they are making PC gamers pay for some of that trade off.

Is there anything on the super cards yet? My mind is telling me consoom the 5070 or 5070 ti now.
TI worth it for 1080p if I'm planning to keep for 2 gens?

i want to get a 1440p monitor however my gpu is mostly able to handle newer games only at 1080p resolution, is it still worth it? or am i just better off getting a higher quality 1080p monitor?

>>105713752
If you feel you’re going to regret not waiting, just wait.
But it won’t be easy to buy the refresh cards near MSRP.
What is your current card?

>>105713767
1440p might be worth it if your card card can run DLSS or FSR4.
Internal resolution of DLSS Quality at 1440p is lower than 1080p.

>>105713833
>What is your current card?
2070 super. Not having any issues with vram making me think I won't need the 16gb, just having a really hard time hitting 60 in these ue5 games without just setting things to low, and it's looking like anything I want to play anytime soon is going to be unreal.

>>105713003
i looked at this and i don't really trust msi, my g24 started showing green lines at the bottom last week and it lasted me for 2 years while my shitty old samsung has lasted over 8
that being said, can i get some recommendations? i'm not looking to play above 144hz and 1080p is all i need, i also don't use free sync or vsync ever

Want a 4k OLED monitor
Should I get the Asus PG32UCDM or Dell AW3225QF

>>105713922
Buying a new GPU with anything less than 16 feels bad.

Just want to double check:
Any recommendations or changes I should make before I go ahead and blow all my graduation present money on these? Going for both gaming and workstation.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jJyWLc

I made this list a bit ago, ended up buying a different monitor early but haven't bought anything else. Cannot find a 4090 that isn't 3 grand and I'm already way over-budget so I figured buy the cheaper but still as good (for gaming) card and upgrade it later, getting an 850W PSU in case I do get ahold of a 4090. Also asked about the CPU a bit ago, you guys said it really didn't matter much unless you're minmaxxing dropped frames.

aight techbros, I just went from a 8700k + 1080Ti to a 9900x + 5070Ti and WarThunder VR *STILL* has occasional drops below 90hz, perf with the 9900x feels about the same as when i just had the 8700k+5070Ti, is the same at low vs ultra so it's def some CPU bullshit but why the fuck does it still feel the same with a cpu that's 1.8x as fast at singlecore and 5x as fast at multicore?
ordered a new SSD and i'll do a fresh windows later today to see if it fixes it but wtf
(also is w11 LTSC okay or should i just stick with w10 until steamos?)

I want to water cool my gpu, seeing a lot of these radiator mounted pumps on many websites, they are mounted to radiators usually that are lying flat attached to the top of the case, I was under the impression that you are supposed to keep the pump as low as possible, are these rad mounted pumps different?

I don't have the space for a pump res combo so this would be a nice alternative, but I can only mount it at the top of the case.

What kind of company is Gainward? This trash is cheapest 5070ti on my market. Will it blow up? Next cheapest 5070ti is msi ventus (lol) for 50 euro more.

>>105714290
Use DX12 instead of DX11 or try DXVK. It's probably one of those X3D sensitive games.

>>105713972
anyone? i have some msi offers in my area but i really would prefer something else

>>105714370
Yes lower is better but it should be fine so long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop. That is to say don't mount it with the pump on the "top" side. You will, of course, need to keep the loop well-filled to avoid gurgling.

>>105714370
As long as it stays filled its ok
Some AIOs actually have their pump inside the radiator as a way to get past the (now expired) Asetek patents
That pump rad you are showing seems fine the pump is lower then the radiator.

The big issue really is to not have the pump as the highest point in the loop.

It's actually better to keep it a little higher as you tend to get air locked when filling with it down at the bottom

What are some good GPU manufacturers? It can be for Nvidia or AMD, I'm purely asking out of curiosity

>>105714396
unfortunately i don't have an x3d processor, and i'm already using dx12

>>105714659
>>105714396
oh and DXVK is a no-go because i don't wanna get banned

5070 for $630 or 9700 for $699
Spoonfeed me I'm retarded (I'm a nigger)

>>105714686
do not under any circumstance spend money on a card with less than 16gb of vram in 2025

>>105714686
Is saving up for higher tier cards an option?

>>105708686
this is the pc version of the brazilian shower head

>>105714514
Sapphire, Powercolor, XFX, Asrock, ASUS, MSI

>>105714379
Gainward makes better cards than that model. "Cheapest" 5070 Ti always lack proper cooling, have loud fans and tend to suffer from hot spots regardless of which brand:

https://www.igorslab.de/en/local-hotspots-on-rtx-5000-cards-when-board-layout-and-cooling-design-do-not-work-together/

>>105708386
Make a container out of baked beans.

>>105714835
why
>>105714877
Yes but my brain refuses to let me spend that much on a pc part, initially I was looking at the 5090, then the 5080, and now the 5070/5070ti/and 9070

>>105714370
> I don't have the space for a pump res combo
Just get an AIO.

>>105714274
Phantom Spirit isn't enough to cool a 9950X without throttling performance in heavily multi-threaded workloads.
AMD officially recommends this CPU to be water-cooled (AIO minimum, I suggest at least 280mm rad).
If you need a different case to install an AIO at the top, check some of the ATX cases recommended in OP.

I would drop the memory speed & timing down to 6000MT/s CL30 because not all CPU's memory controllers can run at 3200MHz, which is needed to run at the optimal 1:1 memory speed to memory controller speed ratio.

I would avoid Gigabyte video cards because their thermal gel solution has quality control issues, which leads to them slipping out of the memory chips or VRMs.
The editor of Igor's Lab shared his analysis with Gigabyte, but they are still bitter about him covering Gigabyte's exploding PSUs.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/gigabytes-so-called-server-grade-thermal-conductive-gel-and-a-degrading-thermal-paste-on-the-radeon-rx-9070-gaming-oc/
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

You don't need to pay for Windows.
>>105707358

>>105714945
because games get bottlenecked by vram availability even at 1440p w/ decent settings, you will see awful 1% lows as the game swaps textures in and out of vram

>>105715058
That's not correct. It can be adequately cooled with a single 140mm tower cooler. Might still want an AIO for noise reasons though.

>>105714290
It appears to be a CPU-demanding game, and your 9900X usually performs like a slightly better 9600X when gaming.
The 12 CPU cores in the 9900X are split into two chiplets, games usually park one of these because utilizing both increases latency.
Real-time 3D gaming is a latency-sensitive task for the CPU.

Check whether the system memory (RAM)'s EXPO feature is toggled on in the motherboard BIOS.

>>105715121
I have the better NH-D15 (G1) and you don't want the CPU to be drawing near 200W with these coolers.
It is running near the thermal throttling point or will throttle, especially for the heat-dense CCDs without an offset bracket.
I've set a 180W power limit for that reason. Noise is a secondary issue and the fans are loud past the 50% mark.

>>105714274
Hefty AIO for the 16-core or else it will inevitably throttle.
DDR5-6000 CL30
1 or 2 TB NVMe dedicated to OS, User Profile
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC, it's free and easy to install, see /fwt/ where you will be helped
Case with at least 360 radiator support in top, 420 better
Case with at least 3x140mm fan in front with mesh + dust filter

t. runs a 9950X3D and learned that a thick ALF3 420 AIO is far from being overkill for 16 cores.

>>105714920
Thank you, not sure about Asrock though it might just be because of their motherboards

Realistically speaking what would be the best upgrade path for my current build?
How many generations should I wait before even looking at next gen hardware?

>>105715207
ASRock video cards are fine, completely different from the issues they're dealing with the AM5 motherboards.

ASRock claimed their decision to set the higher end of PBO power delivery killed the CPUs.
>More technically, we adjusted two main settings in PBO. One is TDC (Thermal Design Current) and the other is EDC (Electrical Design Current).
>We found that our original values for these two settings might have been too high.
>So now, with BIOS version 3.25, we lowered the PBO values. We believe this can solve the problem.

>>105715196
A 180W power limit is like 5% below a completely thermally unconstrained condition. It's nowhere near thermal throttling. Indeed even talking about "throttling" on modern opportunistic boost CPUs is somewhat of a category error.

>>105715121
> It can be adequately cooled with a single 140mm tower cooler
What a bullshit! Your chart doesn't show the temperatures, doesn't specify the AIO compared to, uses a 7950X with mostly games that hardly make use of cores. It's nothing but worthless Nawk Tuah fanboy cope.

>it's been 999 years since I got into computers
>still to this day get filtered by manual memory subtimings despite having read all the documentation
>typical overclocking session is spent having to reset CMOS over and over, accomplishing nothing

>>105715292
Full details:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cooling-requirements-thermal-throttling/

>>105715264
You're neglecting the heat density of the CCD, and the PPT for the 9950X is 230W according to AMD.

>>105715311
stop blindly copying other people's settings and do it right
(except if it's buildzoid's easy timings, because those have been validated on multiple memory kits by someone who knows what he's doing)

Is the 4070Ti Super still worth it? I was thinking about getting it over the 5080

>>105715315
9950X can thermal throttle in an open-air test condition using that single tower cooler.
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/amd-ryzen-9-9950x-at-the-very-top-with-both-1-and-32_threads-review/39/

>>105715326
By "5% below" I meant in terms of performance - the stock PPT is well in to diminishing returns. Thermal density is important in general but doesn't change the dynamics of air vs. water.

>>105715380
Just stop.

When's DirectX 13? We usually got a new DirectX with new Windows but we've been on DX12 since 7?

My headset mic just broke.
Give me recommendations for a good one that's a good value and also not a total piece of shit.

>>105715368
Are we working with different definitions of thermal throttling? It consistently boosts to 5GHz on all cores; well above base clock.

>>105715225
There are few things you could upgrade
>6000 CL26 RAM
>Titanium PSU
>PCIe 5.0 drive
>Aorus Xtreme or maybe MSI MEG Godlike MB
>420 AIO, Antec Flux Pro can fit those without issue
but they are all overkill or minimal gains for large money, expect maybe the bigger AIO
For future upgrades I guess you can grab the 11950X3D and 6090 when they appear?

>>105715470
The sub-$100 HyperX Cloud headsets are commonly recommended.

>>105715315
>https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cooling-requirements-thermal-throttling/
> The Noctua cooler will always run at 95°C in rendering
This means the CPU will always throttle.

>>105715475
Why are you so bitter about this?
If an air-cooled 9950X can't boost as high as one that's cooled with an AIO, the air-cooled CPU is thermal throttling.

>>105715475
In other words: it will throttle

>>105715491
>>105715536
>>105715538
I see we have different definitions. I don't think yours is particularly useful, since it would boost higher still under a chiller, but thanks for clarifying in any case.

>>105715315
Didn't Zen 3 already behave very similarly? My 5800X3D does the same thing, and the cooler doesn't have a chance to get warm and do its job because the thermal bottleneck is the IHS itself

>>105715614
>Didn't Zen 3 already behave very similarly?
AMD hasn't meaningfully changed the boost system since zen 2
intel is kinda similar now except they don't have all the same safety limits in place (which is what lead to 13/14th gen degradation)

>>105715225
get an AIO by either TRYX for unbeatable style points, or arctic freezer/Phanteks for extreme performance and reliability.

Your SSD's and their capacity choices make no sense, why get a 1 or 2 TB SSD and a 2+4TB M.2 drives? i have the 990 pro 4tb btw, its good, but outside of production work, or playing a UE5 game, you wont get much out of the speeds.

>>105715614
The boost algo (PB2) is largely unchanged but AMD set lower default PPT values on Zen2/3 so it's more likely you'll be power limited with a big cooler.

>>105715597
>I don't think yours is particularly useful, since it would boost higher still under a chiller.
So you're just here to argue instead of sharing practical component suggestions.
We've cleared up this throttling thing, and you've already admitted,
>Might still want an AIO for noise reasons though.
Good job wasting your time.

amdrones are high-larious

>>105715650
Yes I'd consider "air is fine but an AIO may be desirable for silence" to be a very practical component suggestion. Since you admit that the CPU will "thermal throttle" under an AIO, you should update your own suggestion to chilled water or perhaps phase change.

Ok how do I avoid buying crap?
I want a board that doesn't disable pcie lanes to the M.2 slots when I have plugged in a GPU at the 16x. Board technical descriptions don't actually include a "warning: your pcie lanes will be reduced if slot 1 is populated!" or something like that.

>>105715680
>chilled water or perhaps phase change.
Neither of those are practical suggestions to /pcbg/ visitors asking to critique their parts list.
It's practical to advise a prospective 9950X owner to consider buying a 280mm AIO instead of a 120mm dual tower air cooler.
Quit acting like a woman.

>>105715685
Search "AM5 Master List" spreadsheet (link gets filtered). FWIW running the card at 5.0x8 isn't a big deal. It's still way more than enough bandwidth for gaming. Different story for compute ofc if that's your thing.

>>105715754
>Different story for compute ofc if that's your thing.
Yes, LLMs. Gayming just occasional. However the lane reduction is not on the first slot. That's the whole point of it. They reduce all slots afterwards on the pcie to give first slot full bandwith. That slows down nvmes, sometimes as low as sata speed. But I don't want to have a fast nvme and have it choked down to sata speed.

Are you just constantly needing to upgrade GPUs if you're chasing AAA games on 4k?

>>105715803
Gotcha. The sheet will have the info you need.

>>105715685
ASRock X870E Nova and Taichi are the more affordable boards with lane splitting for the main Gen 5 x16 slot.
Then you have $800 boards like Aorus Extreme AI Tops.
If you believe ASRock's latest BIOS fixed the CPU killing issues, get the Nova.
A good system overclocker with a 9800X3D and Nova used to visit /pcbg/ fairly regularly, I believe his CPU hasn't croaked.

Maybe it was a silicon lottery thing.

>>105715837
Only if you fall for the PT & maximum graphics option memes.
Path tracing is more of a taste of the future, NVIDIA's using it to justify (M)FG.

>>105715899
Ah damn seems like I really need to invest 800

>>105715837
I told myself I'd go 4k next and be okay for the occasional AAA game that's not terrible because integer scaling can always save the day

Finally getting around to making a build, want to aim for 1440p gaming and simple dev work (small local dbs and apps for fucking around). What should i modify?

>Budget: under $2k USD, preferably $1500 range


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8XysrM

>>105715899
> If you believe ASRock's latest BIOS fixed the CPU killing issues, get the Nova.
Some anecdotal evidence: it works perfectly stable here, voltages and temperatures all within normal parameters. Never had a screen freeze or BSOD or any other problem. I never ran my precious 16-core with any older BIOS than 3.25, I waited with it until ASRock released it, used the BIOS Flashback and only then installed and booted it.

If get a fishtank case, can I put gunpla inside? or it will melt eventually

>>105716022
They all look good, the case is massive but you seem to have a clear plan.

>>105715803
ML tasks arent as sensitive to lane bifurcation as you'd think, they basically run like -5% at x1

Might be worth avoiding high end boards since the forced inclusion of usb4.0 wastes some lanes

>>105716149
I really wanted a nice wood/black case and i saw someone else's build with it, looks like they needed the space for fan cable management

>>105715109
In what games? Indiana Jones, Cyberpunk, Silent Hill all play fine with RT and DLSS both on which take up VRAM as well. What games shit themselves at 12GB?

>>105716220
On long contexts it really starts to slow down the inference when you wait for the contexts to get parsed into the GPU. Not so much an issue for imggen (there you want a fast nvme for model swapping) but for text it can become really annoying.

Finally a playable FPS

>>105716319
1K FPS is not a meme, 1,000Hz is the dream refresh rate.
https://blurbusters.com/displayweek-2024-news-4k-1000hz-monitor-exhibited-and-new-blur-busters-display-tester/

I just cannot believe anyone that says 1440p > 4K
I've seen the screens
there is no comparison

>>105716403
there are even people who think 1080p is enough when 1440p is dirt cheap
makes no sense

>>105708011
ALIVE
ALIVE
ALIVE
ALIVE

>>105716352
It's not a meme.
It truly, actually, isn't.
1,000 FPS gives a fast response time and almost perfect parity with human visual system. At such a high framerate, frame blending methods for anti-aliasing would be viable. 1000 FPS, 8 frame blending, equivalent to 1/125 frames but with 8x the data. Motion blur would actually be able to not look like SHIT and things like checkerboard rendering would also be viable because the pixel transition times would actually blend the frames on the display somewhat and reduce flickering nonsense.

As soon as we start gaming at 1000Hz people will not be ALLOWED to go back because everything will be reliant on it.

>>105716268
12 is fine, 8 is not

>>105715354
If you're lucky to find one at around $600~700 in great condition.

>>105716268
>What games shit themselves at 12GB?
https://youtu.be/qPGDVh_cQb0?si=2808ycYyeGh2nwku&t=936

One of the awesome things about having an 11 year old computer is I don't even have to care about temps or fans. Half of my fans are so caked in dust they don't even spin anymore including the main fan on my cpu it just barely moves. Don't think I even ever had the setup to check temps or control them. But it's never been a problem and I'm sure if all the fans died nothing would change. I've never experienced annoying noise or any of the other problems people complain about. It's cope but sometimes I like how simple my computer world is. Part of me fears eventually rebuilding and having to worry about so much more stuff.

>>105716581
Take it outside and deep clean it, it might help the PC run a bit faster.
Take before & after photos.

>test my 3 "identical" WD blues for random RW noise
>the more recent a drive is the louder it is
I'm not even surprised. At least they all still work fine.
Is Toshiba any good these days?

Does anyone have a list of MRSP level 5070 TI's based on cooling/quality yet? I was waiting for the Asus Prime non-OC one but good luck getting hold of one in Canada.

I see comments about how OLED is useless or not ideal in a bright room. But does that only mean something like sunlight coming through a window? What about just turning on a lamp in my bedroom?
I don't know if I just have broken eyes but I can't handle using my computer in the dark. In a short amount of time my vision starts to get weird and I almost feel dizzy. It could be my settings are fucked up, its a decade old monitor and half the settings buttons don't work so I can't even change them anymore.
I'm worried about investing in a fancy OLED monitor and it killing my eyesight if I am forced to play in the dark again.
But I also have no problem watching movies in the theatre so maybe it really is just something wrong with my monitor.

>>105716697
There are no MSRP 5070Ti's.

>>105716722
There are roughly $791 USD ones in Canada. I said near, not at.

>>105716715
I own a QD-OLED monitor and you don't have to use it in a pitch-black room.
It looks great even with warm lights in the room at night.
Minimize direct ambient light towards the monitor and you should be okay.
Set up a bias lighting behind the monitor to reduce eye strain if you want to use it in a darker room.

Choose a store with a great return policy to test the monitor.

>>105715685
>>105715803
Avoid Asus MBs, they have most horrible lane share, basically occupying any drive slot other than 1 slows or disables something else
You might want to take a look at the x670e boards, they don't have that stupid USB4 and such they mostly don't have any lane sharing

>>105716678
i got a new toshiba x300 few months back, it has the clicking sound during boot up / rw while my older x300 does not have it

>>105716697
Most of these base MSRP-tier 5070 Ti card dimensions are limited to NVIDIA's SFF-Ready specs.
There's no real winner between Gigabyte Windforce SFF, PNY, and MSI Shadow.

PNY has a decent cooler on paper, but some people reported rattling/annoying fans.
Best Buy CA is also not very cooperative about these QC returns.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105253317/#105258852

Gigabyte's thermal gel wasn't reliably applied, they can slip out if you vertically mount the card (more info in >>105715058)

MSI Shadow feels a bit bad to buy for what you're getting (fans running at 2500 RPM, baseline maximum power limit).
https://youtu.be/MplM3lCJ7Ps?t=498
You can try setting custom fan curves and applying an undervolt + lower power limit to help the Shadow run quieter.
Some MSI Ventus/Shadow owners are happy after this adjustment (including few from pcbg).

GL with those Prime restocks.

>>105716577
Indiana Jones' texture pool setting mostly affects the quality of textures that are further away.
I doubt most people can notice the quality difference between High, Supreme, and Ultra texture pool settings for that game.
It's HWUB Steve being Steve.
If he wants to present worst-case performance settings, he should also show an optimized setting to show what people are missing out on wrt to visuals.

>>105711235
>For pure, raw performance to budget (including electricity, it will be on 7/24)
>it will be on 7/24
What does July 24th have to do with building a pc?

>>105716909
>enthusiast
god I hate this faggot speech

>bought secondhand case
>it's the wrong model from the same brand, and it's missing all the screws
Last time I try saving some money I swear

>>105717209
>Didn't check before buying
If you don't know how to buy used don't buy used.

>>105717233
I didc check, but the eBay description was for the model I wanted and stated nothing about missing parts

>>105717245
Then you should be able to complain to ebay and get your money back

>>105717251
What I'm doing, I'm just pissed off because I took the weekend off to build and setup my nas

>>105716909
Sounds like he was saying the asus one was going to be another dud without even owning it and just had anxiety.

>>105717264
cases aren't even 10% of the cost of a decent build, why cut corners there? a good case will last you a decade or more, its just dumb.

>>105715311
I don't know what any of that means, is there a guide for newfags about memory stuff? If I don't care about bleeding edge overclocking do I even need to bother? Can I just plug everything in and press the power button and leave it be?

>>105717341
I'm reusing the most pricey parts from my old pc - cpu, mobo, ram and gpu. Hdds were my top expense, about 75% of what I spent, followed by psu (which I didn't risk and got a good model) and case, then ssd which I got the bare minimum and same for the cpu cooler
Realistically the case was the only thing I could save on

>>105717480
>>105717480
>>105717480

>>105707954 (OP)
pc cases have stalled it's 2025 and there still putting USB 3.0 when we could have 10 gbps on the case

>>105717487
ban evader thread

>>105716403
Where do you even see 1440p? I go to best buy and all they have are big 4k monitors and tv's. I still am not even sure what the difference is between it and my 1080p at home are. It just looks like everything is shrunk down so more of it fits on the screen. I could barely see the folders and other things they were so small. Why are we all chasing this magical resolution?

Real next thread with community feedback applied.
The other OP is brand war-infested crap.

>>105717579
>>105717579
>>105717579

>>105717487
gay
>>105717589
Thank you

>>105717589
late duplicate spam thread
>>105717480
>>105717480
>>105717480

>>105717603
>late duplicate spam
Brand war threads are against the rules. Take your crazy down a couple notches.

Real next thread with community feedback applied.
The other OP is brand war-infested crap.

>>105717579
>>105717579
>>105717579

>>105717615
There is no brand warring. Warning against buying bad products is not brand warring. all warnings against 50 series are true. i actually wanted to add the 265k even as a budget workstation option since at it's new price it isn't terrible but character limit is annoying.

Actual real thread created first and not late. Other poster is a troll trying to divide the general because he is autistic and can't handle other people baking that aren't him
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>>105717480
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>>105717637
>>105717652
Then let people choose where to have their discussion.
You shouldn't have to try to rush out your crap OP as desperately as you always do.
We don't need your crap.

>>105717666
Maybe 5GHz P-Core during all-core loads, it's not very beneficial for gaming.

These are some good/detailed guides.
You want to learn more about the voltage regulator's LLC and the CPU's AC/DC load line if you're doing an adaptive OC.
It will help you set nice undervolts too.
https://skatterbencher.com/2021/11/20/skatterbencher-30-intel-core-i9-12900k-overclocked-to-5500-mhz/
https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-maximus-z690-extreme-i9-12900k-guide-load-lines-vf-curves-adaptive-voltage-by-core-octvb.1794957/

>>105717363
XMP/EXPO is the low-hanging fruit.
The next is Buildzoid's ez timings for Ryzen CPUs.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

>>105716722
Even below MSRP here.

Can't find the Thermalright Frozen Edge or Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro in my country. Is the not PRO version good enough?

>>105718070
The regular LF3 is fine, be aware of the mounting hassle described by other anons.
It's still a great value & reliable AIO (as long as your case & motherboard fits well with it).
>>105711483
>>105711511
>>105711924

>>105711631
This is a nice PC setup, cozy af with the Nuka Cola poster.

>>105718087
Oh shit thanks, If the problem with it is just the installation I think I can deal with it.

>>105716715
maybe your monitor has flicker or you use too high brightness
no you can literally use an oled in light but the pq will be better in light controlled rooms obviously
since older flickers too and has infinite contrast you might need to modify settings and it might cause eye strain too depending on how you use it
plus the perceived color is much intenser on qd so
so pretty much 1000 times that can fuck up your eyes and nobody to tell you what it is until you trial an error it

>>105715685
>Board technical descriptions don't actually include a "warning: your pcie lanes will be reduced if slot 1 is populated!"
they literally do it's in the spec page, literally just read it

>>105714290
>skimping on cpu
ngmi

>>105714004
the asus is superior in all ways and it does not have a fan and curve